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Ready. Hello everybody. Uh welcome to the uh June 17th 2026 meeting of the planning board. Like you all ask you to please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. So, >> you know, my name is Jerry Deltu. I'm sitting in for Mark wasn't feeling well today.

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Call this meeting to order. Have a roll call. >> Matano >> here. >> Mr. Deltufo. >> Mr. Smith. >> Excuse. >> Miss Tangora >> excused. >> Dr. Marques,

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>> he's recused. >> Mr. Corbanic >> here. >> Commissioner Scarpelli >> here. >> Mr. Tendia >> here. >> Mayor Kelly >> present. >> Mr. Kazira >> here. >> Mr. Contella >> here.

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>> Mr. Remucheski >> here. >> Mr. Arudi. >> Okay. Okay. Pursuant to the requirements of the Opal Public Meetings Act, notice of this meeting was included in the annual notice of the regular meetings for the year 2026 as advertised in the

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Star Ledger on February 5th, 2026, the Herald News, and the Nutly Sun on November 20th, 2026 with a copy 2025 with a copy posted on the Township of Nutley Bulen Board first floor town hall. A copy is filed

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in the office of the township clerk and copies are available to all members of the general public. All right. Did everybody get a chance to review the meeting the minutes of the last meeting? >> Any questions,

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comments? No. Motion to approve? >> Move it. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Communications and bills, sir. I have one bill for one bill for approval this evening. It's for Miss

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Santai for for attendance and preparation of the meeting minutes for June 3, 2026 which we just approved. It's the amount of $150 which I find to be fair and reasonable. >> Move to move it.

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>> Second. >> All in favor? >> That's it. >> Yes, that's it for uh Okay. Yep. >> Okay. We have no new business. Uh we

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have no resolutions to u memorialize. So we'll skip to number eight which is the topic of tonight's meeting. We're having a hearing on 536-544 Washington Avenue. It's a preliminary and final major site plan application

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applicant from Galaxy LLC. So everyone's aware the way this works is we're going to ask the applicants to come up and discuss uh his or her proposal.

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Then we'll invite experts to you know I'll have architectural people as engineering people here to explain in detail uh and uh answer questions from the board. During each of those um presentations, the public will be um

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open to ask a question of that individual about that individual's post about expertise in that area. At the end of the hearing, uh, we'll open it to the public for general comments if

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you have concerns that may have not that may not have been addressed during the presentation. >> Yes, sir. >> You have a question. Do you raise your hand or do you wait till the end of that person's speech question? >> Wait till the end of that. Wait till wait till the end of that person's.

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>> Okay. coming up. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Kathy Ramp, will you please sit for Mark and Frank? sit for um >> Oh, Carol.

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>> Okay. How are you, sir? >> Thank you. >> Well, uh good evening, chairman, members of the board. My name is Matthew Gillson from the law firm of Murphy Sher and Wilks. I'm here tonight on behalf of Galaxy Invest for the property located at 536544

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Washington Avenue, block 1502, lot 12. The subject site is located on the east side of Washington Avenue at the intersection with Wilmington Drive and consists of approximately 1.5 acres. The site is fully developed at the former credit union and consists of two

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buildings with a maximum height of two stories, parking, utilities, landscaping. Uh tonight we're proposing to redevelop the site by removing the existing improvements and constructing a 24,740 ft two-story building with 28 parking

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spalls and four truck bays. This is a permitted use in the MO zone. Uh it is our position as you will hear through testimony tonight that the application is fully conforming. There is some variance relief that uh your professionals have called out as may be

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required. We're here to address that as well and through testimony. Uh I have four witnesses for you tonight. A representative of the applicant, our engineer, our architect, and and our planner. Um with that, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to call our first witness, Richard

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Lubarbiera, a representative of the applicant. >> Good evening, chairman, mayor, board members. Uh my name is Rich Labarbiera. Uh I'm here on behalf of Galaxy Invest. Uh we're real excited to be >> You got to be sworn in. Oh, sworn in. Okay.

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>> Yeah. Hang on. >> Quick. >> I jumped the gun. I apologize. >> Thank you. >> L A capital B A R B I E R A few vowels.

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>> Mr. Lar, do you swear to be truthful in your testimony? >> I do. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you again. Uh chairman, board members, mayor, uh it's a pleasure to be here this evening. I thank you for your time. I'm here on behalf of Galaxy Invest. Uh we're real excited to be here

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in town. Uh it's a place that's been near and dear to my heart for many years and I'm uh returning in a lot of ways. And uh we're excited to redevelop the credit union site uh with a conforming application uh repurposing and restoring

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uh ratable to the community. Uh we've been most sensitive to the zoning as well as the uh joining properties. I see that there's many residents in attendance tonight and I would like to say that uh the town does a great job with it zonings and you have tremendous professionals. So you're in good hands

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and we will make our best effort to uh comply with everybody's requests so that we have a successful project. Uh one of the things that we like to pride ourselves on is not just building in a location but being a member of the community. uh the majority of our properties we retain and uh we like to

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say when we're successful the town's successful and vice versa. So we uh look forward to being here this evening. We have some great professionals who I hope will be uh providing a very influential uh uh presentation this evening and I'm sure uh they will make best effort to uh

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address any additional concerns that have not already been identified in the uh professionals reports. And and just to ask you quickly, this this you don't have a proposed tenant for this warehouse. >> No, this would be a spec warehouse of approximately 24,000 square feet. Um I

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must also point out that we tried to stay within the limits of the existing disturbance. Uh there is a slight area where we had to depart from that uh and we had to uh I guess create additional imperous area. uh and we've complied with the request to make sure that we

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have a proper wall landscaping and there's always an opportunity to put more landscaping if needed. I'd also add that in addition to being the developer, I'm also a licensed engineer of how many years, Matt? 36 years now. >> 36 years in the state of New Jersey, uh

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although I don't push the lead anymore, or I should say a mouse in today's standards, uh I'm also a professional engineer. And so regarding the operations, though we don't have a tenant, that tenant would comply with all regulations including hours of operation,

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noise requirements, things of that nature. >> Absolutely. As I said before, we want to be good neighbors. And when we make a commitment to a town, obviously it's a big financial investment and we want to make sure that we're successful so that in turn uh we address the uh needs of

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the residents and that there's harmony. >> Thank you. I have no further questions for this witness. >> Anybody? Sorry. >> Oh, yeah. Sure. >> Um, Mr. Liberius. Barbarian. >> I've been called worse. >> I have the same vowels in my name. >> There you go.

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>> Um, you represent Galaxy or you are a member of Galaxy? >> I'm a partner of Galaxy. Yes. >> So, uh, you're not part of the uh the bank that you Okay. >> That's old news. The bank or the credit

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union, I should say. and and your testimony you referenced that you're back happy to be back into Nutley. Are you from these this area? >> I grew up on the sidelines of the Oval back in the 80s. >> Okay. >> My old man was the football coach. >> Okay.

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>> So, uh I have a lot of fond memories here. >> Okay. That's that's that's good. So, you'll understand some of the testimonies and >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And I also know how tight-knit of a community Nutley is. It's a great town and uh I grew up

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experiencing it and like I said it was a great place and I'm glad to be back in LA. >> How uh uh interesting it is that you work for Galaxy and here you are presenting an application. >> We jumped on the applica. We jumped on the opportunity to be quite honest with

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you. Uh you know there are places that uh you have opportunities and then when you hear about a town like Nutley you want to be there. >> Okay. >> So kudos to Nutley. Who might what just one point who might you be marketing this to? Then you know

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>> it would be marketing to anybody. Uh you know it's a 24,000 square foot. Uh obviously it could be a broad range of people but obviously it would comply with all the applicable uh standards and requirements and ordinances uh regarding operation in the town

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>> because because the operation is is a key issue for some of the neighbors, right? Absolutely. >> 24/7. Is it Saturdays and Sundays? You know, uh is there going to be activity at night? Trucks backing trucks backing up going beep beep beep beep. That kind of stuff. And and you won't know.

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>> I don't know all those details, but as I can represent here tonight, whoever we go to, they will have to comply with all of the municipal standards and uh guidelines. Right. So will that be uh you know not restrictions but

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>> additions to to the variance or to the uh approval >> anything any anything beyond our code. >> Yes. >> Anything beyond our you know uh codified requirements whatever we impose here as a condition will have to be enforced.

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>> Okay. >> I just have a comment. So, so basically you're building this on spec, >> right? >> You you So, and how once it's built, how do you propose to market this to pretend potential lease holders? >> Well, you would are they going to be

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fully aware that it is a close-knit community, that it's built in a residential area that people don't want to hear beep beep beep beep and all that. >> Absolutely. And most importantly, as a uh roadblock, you have your uh code and they would have to operate within those

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guidelines. So that will reduce your pool of potential less. >> It's standard in the uh business that people have to comply with whatever standards are established in that town and whatever code there is and um that will be the dictating factor. >> Thank you.

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>> May I ask another question? >> Right in while while he's still standing um do you have other properties in such a uh you know dense residential that you've experienced before? >> Actually much more dense. Yeah. >> Much more dense

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>> and and the concerns of the neighborhood you can appreciate. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And we're most sensitive to that because we want to be good neighbors. Uh you don't want to be a combative relationship. >> No. But also, if I may say, you're

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you're not really on the property. it's the it's the tenant if it remains a tenant or the the new potential buyer of the property um doesn't have the same connections as you you're you're the

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perfect spokesman for Dallas. >> There you go. You like that? >> But after you is what you know the rest of us want to also hear a little bit about. The only thing we're asking for tonight is approval for a warehouse that the property zoned for and we would

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comply with whatever operating requirements exist in the municipality to make sure that we don't adversely impact neighbors. >> Correct. Okay. >> I could go. I'm sorry. >> One more question. Can you give some examples of some municipalities where you've built and what the uses are?

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>> Sure. >> Yeah. multifamily uh throughout West New >> Warehouse, >> warehouse, hackinac, north arlington. Um where else we have warehouse, Michael? Uh >> Carl stat uh

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>> West New York. >> West New York. >> Very dense. And what what are the warehouses uh used for in those areas? >> Light light warehouse. Uh you know, carpeting was much of it. packaging

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really dimminimous uh impact. >> Would would you say that a warehouse of this size would typically attract things like contractor storage and of that nature rather than an Amazon distribution center? >> I think the size would limit uh the type of operation. You wouldn't have that

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type of intense operation that comes along with the larger users in the marketplace. It's really the larger users that have the intense traffic coming in going etc. This is more of a boutique type warehouse which is geared towards a smaller operator,

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>> but we don't know who's going to be the operator. >> That's correct. >> Seems like Kathy and I are going back and forth. Michael the attorney. Matt Matt, I'm sorry, Matt. Um, my opinion, you know, smaller warehouse. I'd like to

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see less confusion, less tenants, one tenant that was responsible for the whole building and that there's no no finger pointing that it's not my truck, it's the guy next door's truck. So subdividing this building into 10

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contractor warehouses wouldn't be uh in my opinion more favorable than one tenant who's more a reputable tenant as uh Mr. blah blah. >> Rich, please. >> Thanks, Rich. I appreciate that. That

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happens a lot. Uh, you know, uh, might be hinting about having one, uh, more recognizable tenant. >> I could appreciate what you're saying, but that could also cut both ways. We have found where smaller tenants, they're never there.

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So, you don't know for certain. >> Correct. >> You don't know for certain. So, one larger tenant might be a little bit more intense if you were to carve it up. And I'm not saying either way is right or wrong, but sometimes you have to be careful what you might wish for. A smaller tenant might lend itself where they're hardly there. They're just

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storing. Once a week, they come drop stuff off, pick stuff up. >> Um, there's as we go back and forth and we're we're opening up all the other questions to the engineers. It's just adds to more vehicles, vans, other in

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andout type of operations where it's less controllable when you have 10 tenants versus one that you know the hours are 9 to5 versus a contractor who swoops in at 9:00 because he needed to get something before the next morning.

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So contractor's u uh um appeal is not so appealing in my opinion and I'm not a neighbor living next door to that. So I I don't want to speak for the residents but for me it wouldn't be as appealing as more of a more recognizable reputable

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who is concerned about the properties. We're concerned about the property and we'll get to that >> and I'd like to believe all of these things and you'll hear from our planner. All of these concerns have been considered in your master plan as the property is zoned for this use and with

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that zoning comes all the setback requirements and everything else that we've complied with. So, I would like to believe that your zoning has considered most if not all of these concerns and what might have slipped off the table. You also have your code in town

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concerning hours of operation, etc., which might not necessarily be part of your uh master plan. >> Just giving you my my thoughts before you sit down that uh when you hear the rest of my questions. >> It's all good. >> Okay,

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I'm done. >> I'm up for questions from the answer. >> Any any questions uh of Mr. uh Rich >> Rich? uh Mr. Richard from the audience at this point. >> By the way, I'm sure at the conclusion we're all available if there's any

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additional questions that come in. >> Why don't you got to come up? >> Why don't you come you got to come up to my please uh say your name, please. >> Hugho. I live at three Wilmington Drive.

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Wilmington 3 Wilmington Drive is the street address right right next to I'm I'm about th00and ft from the from this parcel. Um the question is keepa mentioning uh hours of operation but

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what are those hours of operation? Are we saying 9 to5 weekdays? Is it going to be weekends? Um what are those days and hours of operation? So yeah, Mr. Barry may be able to address

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this directly. Uh those are stipulated in our uh ordinances as as well as um noise uh abatement issues. Can we go there? >> Yeah, please. >> Hi, I'm Dave Barry. I'm the code official.

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We have an ordinance number 538 that talks about hours of operation. It allows certain operation in certain zones. I'm going to list the zones where the hour of operations code is in B1,

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B2, B3, B3A, B4 and M1's. If you notice M O zone is not in this ordinance. My inkling, my thinking of this is we all know the M zone was Hoffman the Roach. So there's a really good chance that there was a different look on how hours

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of operation would happen at the old roach property. So the hours of operation in these zones, you can't operate between the hours of midnight and 5:00 a.m., but only in these listed zones. So the ordinance

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doesn't apply to this section. And my like I said, my theory is that this MO zone was Hoffman the Roach, which obviously had a 24-hour operation at the time in his heyday. So that would have to be discussed with this application process, the official hours of operation

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for the tenant, whoever it may be. >> So Dave, if the M zone is the M zone the only was made for Ro. So where >> the roach was in MO zone before?

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>> So it's it's been redeveloped. Why is that area not been >> Well, I'm just it's it has been it's in a redevelopment zone. So it's a different zone. But this ordinance is an older ordinance and it this ordinance address hours of operation at the last time that the township thought about

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hours of an operation. I think 2011 it was amended. So Roach was still there at 2011. They left 15, I think, or 14 or something like that. >> That shouldn't have been cleaned up. >> So, is this like one of the only remaining EMO zones?

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>> You know, I'll be honest with you. Hours of operation in the township doesn't really get discussed a lot too much with commercial properties, bars, uh maybe some, but other than that, around the township, we really don't have a lot of hours of operation issues. We don't have a lot of warehouses,

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right? I mean, so why would we talk about, you know, it's just something that doesn't come up? And usually this is the time when things come up for ordinance changes when we have an application and we're we're finding some ordinances that are outdated that need to get cleaned up. That's usually what

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happens. >> So, we're we're going to determine if if this is even reasonably going to >> Yes. >> any type of approval what the hours potentially could be. >> Yeah. We we could we could uh stipulate

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the hours and make a condition if it goes to approval. >> Regardless of the hours of operation, they still have to comply with noise ordinances and up to a certain amount of decibb that are allowed to >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And could you talk about what the the

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noise our noise ordinance describes or permits >> or if you're not ready? >> I'm not ready for that. I have to do some research for that. And I believe that we're going to have a noise I think we're going to have some help from a a sound engineer I believe to assist us

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with this. We have that in in a couple of previous applications where we have we've had a sound engineer do a review on an application and I believe we're going to try to get that done for this. >> Generally the the the noise the way the noise ordinance would work is the noise can't exceed a certain decel threshold

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at the property line. Is that that correct? >> Yeah. So even if they're operating at 3 in the morning, it can't be louder than for example >> a certain decel and then the police would get called, >> right? >> Yeah. >> We actually discussed that.

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>> We actually discussed that at our at our last meeting. We we recommend the adoption of the EPA standards for noise D. >> All right. Good. Okay. Thanks. >> Thank you. Anybody else? Please come up with your bashful. >> Thank you. Thank you. My name Hi, my

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name is Mbal. I'm one of the residents on Wilmington Drive with these guys over here. Quick question to ask if um sure the Wilmington people can think of when you come out onto Washington Avenue and you make that left onto Kingsland. There's that big warehouse in Clifton that always has the 18-wheeler trucks

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that are parked and they block one side of Kingsland. So, you have to ride on the other side of the highway and there's two-way traffic in one lane. I guess my question to the applicant is two parts. The first question is, is the parking lot big enough to fit 18-wheelers or big trucks or big, you

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know, so they're not backed up onto Washington? And number two, if not, what's going to stop them from, oh yeah, yeah, just pull it up onto Wilmington and, you know, it's going to be only 20 minutes and then it turns out where we have 18 wheelers parked on on our drive.

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I think that's a little premature. We got some experts coming forward. Uh the engineer as well as the architect and the planner and they're going to make a presentation and they're going to describe some of those things that you just mentioned and if you have follow-up questions that you're not satisfied, they'll be available. No different than

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myself. Uh I'm just making the presentation really kicking off for these guys. >> Getting back to the football. >> I mean I I just would clarify. I don't think it's premature if the site is being built with no tenant in mind. No, you're absolutely right. It's premature for this meeting. You're going to we're

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going to hear from their engineer and we're going to >> by by premature he means that the next witness is going to address it. >> No disrespect. I didn't mean Yeah. I just meant premature for the witnesses. >> You'll be amazed at the questions we ask regarding traffic and pardoning.

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>> Is there anyone else? >> Yes, sir. Hi, I'm Patrick Sha, number 20 Wilmington. Uh, what other uses have your developers done in other places and why choose

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industrial warehouses to use here? >> Can you? So what other uses have you have you developed in other places and why choose industrial warehouse for this particular place?

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Very simple. Uh we've done everything from multif family warehouse um commercial uh warehouse uh office space etc. Why we're proposing this is because that's what the property zoned for. And I think a lot of the

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concerns may not necessarily be with the application you're going to hear tonight, but the property zoning itself. We're here with a complying application as our engineers will present. This the property is zoned for this. And when you hear testimony, everything that we're

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proposing is within the guidelines as established by the town. So what we're doing is basically fitting a round peg into a round hole. We're not asking for relief. If we're not saying that, gee, this is a residential property and we're putting a warehouse here where we would

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have to make a much different presentation and demonstrate uh why we're proposing such. What we're doing again tonight is all consistent with the master plan as established by your town. And we're not asking for relief from that, nor how the hours of operation

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work. So, we're just saying that we will comply. No different than if you were going to build your home and you built a home that complied with your zoning. That's all we're asking to do is to build a compliant structure in accordance with the zoning for the use

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as it's labeled. So I'm thinking that the zoning is not just for industrial warehouses but there are other uses that can be developed in that zone. So why choose industrial warehouse in particular?

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>> I'll defer to the planner but again this is this is what it's zoned for this industrial use. Uh it might help if uh you have experience with this. Uh you said Hackin Sack North Arlington. You could describe how those properties are used. It might

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help uh alleviate some concerns. >> I think each property is different based on the size of the building. Uh there are some buildings where there's really dimminimous operation where the majority of what happens occurs within the building and then rarely do you have

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trucks come and go. Uh but then there are other buildings that it is a little bit more intense but they do comply with all the applicable uh requirements. And the way this property and the civil engineer will go through it, there's loading areas, there's circulation, no different than any other warehouse, so

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that a truck could properly access the site, go to the loading docks, load, offload, do whatever, and then discharge and go out. Uh, >> I not to cut you off, but I think you mentioned earlier that the most likely use for this would be a contractor

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warehouse, and would you be able to describe what that is? No, I uh I think Matt mentioned that as an option. Uh yeah. No, that that that's one of many. There could be uh you know micro tenants where they only need 5,000 ft² who needs

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10,000 ft² or it might be a single operator who needs 24,000 and change. >> That's all TBD to to be determined. But the first step is obviously we don't know who that tenant is because as of this moment we don't have an approval for the warehouse. I I think the the

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point that that we're trying to make is that in in this market, 24,000 square feet is not enough to run a distribution center, >> right? I I I think what I'm trying to get at is that for example, a contractor warehouse,

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it's going to be an electrician who needs the space for their their truck or or for to to load up and go out in the morning, come back home at night and pick up their personal vehicle and go away. Uh, I understand that there's other uses, but I'm trying I I guess I'm

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trying to clarify for the public what a what a use would look like and how it would be used. I know it's, you know, we're kind of shooting in the dark here. Uh, and there's a lot of uh potential options, but I'm cuz I guess there's there's a lack of understanding as to

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what would go there and what you don't know is what I think is driving some of the fear. So if you can try and talk to that to try and alleviate that fear as to >> Yeah, I I I think that the answer to that question is that while we don't know necessarily what will go there is that we will know what will not go there

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and that that this type this type of fort four truck bays 24,000 ft. That greatly limits the type of operation you can have on this site. You're not going to have something that's as intense as you would have at a 100,000t warehouse,

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a million square foot warehouse. it it's just the market limits your attendant pool to something much less intense because of the size of the building and the fact that there's only four uh truck bays. You're not going to be able to support some something like a Amazon

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distribution center being the the top end of that. It's just that that would never be at this site because it doesn't support those operations based on its size in the market. So, we we'll comply with the local ordinances related to sound, related to hours of operation,

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related to what type of operations can be there, but the greatest limit on anything is the market. And the market doesn't support an incredibly intense use here just based on the size of the warehouse. >> Okay. >> I Yeah, I'm sorry.

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>> I just I just wanted to go back and and I'm going to keep harping on this because you're a really smart guy. I could No. Um >> my wife doesn't think so. >> Know what the uses are in the other areas that you spoke. Hoboken, North Arlington, Carney. You have to know

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what's in there. What are they food supplies or are they >> one I'm sorry. One warehouse in particular is carpet distribution where you have >> one. Yeah. We're just because what you're doing is you're presenting something here that is a totally unknown. So yeah,

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>> you know, it's a small town and you're 100% in a residential area. >> So people want to feel, they want to know what's potentially going to go there. >> I uh I appreciate all of that and I understand that we're a little bit of a unicorn surrounded by residential

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everywhere, but we can't help the hand that's been dealt to us and we're again trying to comply with whatever the zoning of the town is. now to the unknown. I'd be disingenuous if I were to come here and tell you exactly what an operation will look like, but as Matt

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said, I could tell you why it's not going to look like. Uh I think the big cons concern when you hear warehouse nowadays, you think of Amazon and all you see is loading doors and uh tractor trailers and bays. I and I just checked and the engineer will come up, but I believe we have four loading bays in

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total. That really limits the type of activity that you'll see at this site. Well, when you say Amazon, you're talking Amazon. But there's lots of businesses now where people are creating their own businesses where they buy certain things, store them, and resell

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them on Amazon. Becoming an Amazon reseller is a big thing. So, this could potentially be an Amazon reseller warehouse where things could be delivered 247. People in and out all the time. So, when you don't know what the use is, your mind wanders

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>> and I respect that entirely. And I respect that entirely. And we're most sensitive again to the fact that this property is a little bit of an anomaly. And while it's zoned uh different than the three surrounding sides, actually four if you think about across the street, it's still zoned for this use.

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And we're just again trying to comply with the rules as established by the community. >> I again I don't want to beat a dead horse. I'm trying to comply, but you don't know what is going to be. I I think that the answer to that question is this is a residential

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neighborhood, but residential is not a permitted use here. I think there would be an appetite for a developer to come in here and do a residential project here, but a residential project is not a permitted use. This this is what is permitted. I mean, if if you ask my opinion, I think a residential site goes

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better here, but that's not what's permitted. So, we have to live within what the code of Nutley allows, which is to build something of this nature. residential. I I agree it's a residential neighborhood, but it's not a permitted use. So, if we if we were to come here and ask to build say 50 units,

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that's not a a permitted use. We would have to be we would be in front of the zoning board. So, we we've >> there are other things that are permitted there. >> Yes, I I agree. But we >> Yeah,

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this nobody be upset. >> I I would want >> I understand that. But we we've complied with as far as being in the neighborhood, we've complied with all the setback requirements. We've complied with all the coverage requirements.

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We've complied with all the parking requirements and we've complied with the use requirement. >> Anybody else? >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think I'm going off of I'm sorry I don't know your name. Kathy, I'm going off what Kathy's saying a little bit.

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You we keep asking what it could be used for and you're answering in the negative. In the negative, it can't be used as an Amazon warehouse because it's only for and it sign, you keep using the word significantly limits the operations. And yet when asked, can you give an example of an operation? You're refusing to do that. And that's what makes I think some of the people, some

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of the residential people a little bit uneasy that if you're telling us it can't be this, it can't be a warehouse, it can't be an Amazon distribution center. It's significant limit. It's only four bays. It's very small. 24,000 square feet and yet aren't providing or articulating one or two or three

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concrete examples feels very evasive. >> Well, I I think that we have given some way a contractor storage could be one of them. >> Can you explain how contractor storage would contractor storage would would work? Give me like a week a Monday through Sunday. >> You could have a contractor who comes there. They store their their equipment

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that they >> What time do they come? >> Depends on their what they're doing. Probably 7 8 in the morning. They would come. They would pick up their equipment for the for the work for the day. They would go and go to their job site. They would come back at the end of the day, put the equipment back, whatever time

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that is, if they're done early, it could be as early as 4, could be as late as 6 or 7, and then they would leave for the day. And that that would be a use that could be at this at this site. >> Okay, that's one example. You're saying you have multiple >> Sure. He he talked about >> it could be it could be a supply house

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where it's either a electrical or plumbing supply house where there's an operator that brings in all of their material and distributes from here. It could be really any widget uh that warehouses and then supplies from this location.

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>> Okay, I'm going to and I apologize for the frustration and we're not trying to be evasive. >> It's not frustration. It's just it feels like we're asking a lot of people asking questions and it's well it's zoned for this. It's allowed for We get it. We're not saying you're doing something illegal. We're just saying, can you give us a little bit more context or color?

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So, we're going to be living next to it 7 days out of the week, 365 days out of the year. We just want to understand what you're thinking or what you're envisioning. >> I respect that. >> And you're saying that you want all these warehouses across New Jersey, more dense population, less bigger, smaller, but you're not 100% providing the

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context that we're asking for. >> Somebody in the back. Yes, sir. building. >> I um >> Did your name please leave? >> Antonio Pelino and Live on High Avenue.

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I see that um they you know they have all the the project and but they don't know what they're going to put there. My concern is the traffic in and out whatever driveway they're going to use. Washington Avenue right now it's a

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mouse. There's so much traffic on Washington Avenue that when I move to Nutley I could across the street with my eyes closed. Sometimes I'm there for a half hour and all these cars go by. Now they're going to do a warehouse with so

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many different uh whatever electrician constructions. How many trucks are going to go in there? Do they have people working? Are they going to park there? How many cars are going to go out of the parking space? It's not

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just going to be the electrician or the contractor. It's going to be the workers. So that's my my concern. I have to say that. Okay. I've been in Utley for 40 years and I've been living in the same spot in Washington Avenue right now. If

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you don't open your eyes, they run you over. And the gentleman said the same thing on Kingsland Avenue. There is a big problem with those trucks in the morning 8:00 7:30 in the morning and there's trucks everywhere. You have to wait half hour sometimes to just go

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around them. So if if you know it could explain better how many contractors are going to be there, it will make a big difference. >> When we talk about contractors, that was just one hypothetical. And I'd also point out is that I'm sure this board's

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heard many applications, not just warehouses, but also retail. And I'm sure if it's a strip mall that those tenants >> we that's what we don't want because we already have one down the block and that's what's causing the problem. My only point is that when they come before

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the board, they don't necessarily have a tenant. So, they don't know who's going to be there, nor do they know the specifics. That >> that's going to be a problem >> and I respect that, but that's also typical. >> I know. I respect you for what you want to do, but you you know, we live there. >> So, we have to put up with that.

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>> Understood. >> So, the traffic is a big concern for me. >> Yeah. And we'll we'll address that in great detail with the engineering. >> Okay. >> Mr. Reky, looks like you have something to add. I'm I'm Paul Ricky. I'm the board planner and you know I performed the

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review. I'm sorry about it being tardy. I wasn't aware when I looked at the agendas that this was going to be scheduled. But just one thing is it's like it's how how do I say it? Um the applicant submitted their floor plans. Their floor plans are completely blank.

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It shows an office area and it shows a warehouse area. And the applicant through his testimony tonight has said, "Oh, we may want to cut this up. have multiple contractors and the like. So, I mean, they have ideas what they want to do. If that's the case, if they want a cart blanch approval and then do it

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whatever they want later, those floor plans are incomplete as they're submitted today for that purpose. So, that should be acknowledged. >> Okay. Ready for your first witness? Second. >> Well, you were introductory actually. Uh, next I'd like to call our engineer,

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Mr. Matt. Clark. >> Hi, Matt. >> Hello. Uh, do you swear to tell the truth? So, I hope you got >> Yes, I do. >> All right. >> What is in there? >> Get your name, address, company, please. >> Name is your background. >> I'm sorry. My name is Matthew, please.

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>> My name is Matthew. The last name is Clark C L A R K. I work for MCB Engineering Associates, uh, 11 Fur Street in Toto, New Jersey. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. Have been since 1997. Been qualified for 30 years and my

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license is in good standing. >> Presented before main planning boards before in zoning boards. >> Yep. For over 30 years. >> We'll accept it. >> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Can you please provide the board an overview of this proposed project?

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>> Okay. So, what's on the easel is A3 and that is the site plan set that our office uh prepared. Um I'll just walk through the set and answer any questions uh that anybody have about my testimony. Uh the first sheet is sheet one of 10 and that is our title sheet. It

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basically gives some basic information to the application. You can see we've got an aerial map uh street map, tax map and a zone map. As discussed, if it wasn't mentioned, we are block 1502 lot 12. The size of the property is 67,833.4

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square ft. Uh what exists on the property are two commercial structures with accessory parking and as mentioned and you can see on the aerial we're completely basically other than the property directly to our north we're completely surrounded by residential development. Most importantly what's on

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the plan and what we've stated earlier um um our our interpretation of the ordinance were variance free. The second sheet in our set is our site plan uh of 8 A3 uh sheet two of 10. Uh

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the purpose of this plan is to show the above ground horizontal improvements associated with the project. What's being proposed is a twotory. It's an actually it's a mixeduse building. The first floor is warehouse but the second floor is an office uh component. So there are two uses proposed on on the

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property. Access to the property is similar to what's there today. We have a uh ingress driveway, a oneway in that is a full movement in, out, left ins uh right in. You can see that provides circulation around the property to our

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egress driveway. The egress driveway is an exit only and you can only make right-hand turns out of the property. Uh that driveway provides access to our parking field where based on the development program 27 stalls are required. 28 are provided including the

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one EV stall required by the state uh ordinance. As far as trash is concerned that will be collected and stored in the building and picked up by a private hauler. And as uh commented earlier by our team already as far as the performance standards uh the tenant will have to

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comply with all of those items. The next sheet in our set of A3 is our grading and utility plan is sheet three of 10. The purpose of this plan is to represent how we're going to grade the property, how we're going to manage storm water, and where we intend

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to get our uh soft utilities, gas, water, and sanitary. As far as the grading is concerned, we're looking to maintain the existing patterns that are there today. The site generally slopes from the front to the back. So, we're looking to maintain that so as not to adversely impact our neighbors. As far

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as storm water is concerned, we are a major development. Um, if the board is familiar with that, I don't know if the public is, but based on the fact that we're disturbing more than an acre of land. We are subject to the higher tolerance of storm water management. We've represented and submitted a storm

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water management plan showing compliance with the applicable code. As part of that code, we're providing on the roof, a portion of the roof will be a green roof. That is a green infrastructure technique that's required under the major storm water management um criteria.

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Um as far as the soft utilities, as I mentioned, uh the sanitary, the water, the gas, and so on will be accessed off of uh Washington. The next plan is our lighting plan of A3. This is sheet four of 10. We're

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going to illuminate the site with a series of polemounted lights and wall-mounted lights. Uh, this plan reflects the phototrics through the property showing compliance with the ordinance. And I believe in the planners letter, I I believe you agreed that um as far as the phototric levels are concerned, they comply with the

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ordinance. The next plan of A3 is our landscaping plan. Um, it is five of 10. As far as the landscaping is concerned, along the front of the property, we're providing uh a row of burning bushes to help screen the front parking area. We

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provided an ornamental tree. And probably what's most important to the public with the buffer along the side here, we're maintaining the existing buffer that's there today. We provided a note that stated if anything's dead or dying or diseased, we will infill uh with additional arborite type plantings.

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in the back corner here because we're moving our curb uh closer to the property line. We're maintaining the required buffer per the ordinance and we're providing new 6oot arborites uh in in this location. And along the back, the intent is to maintain that buffer as

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well and similar if something is damaged during construction, it will be replaced uh so that we maintain the buffer per the ordinance. The next sheet in A3 six of 10, this is the soil erosion plan. Uh since we're disturbing more

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than 5,000 square feet, uh an application is required to the governing conservation district. This map represents those required details. And the next few sheets in our set 7 8 9 and 10 of 10. Those are just site details associated with the project,

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signs, um sidewalks, curbs, and things alike. Um, and that in essence is a a walkthrough of our our plans. And if does anybody have any questions? I can be happy to answer. >> Since I know it's going to be the question, can you just go over the site circulation a little bit more and from

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both an internal and how externally site uh they'll enter and exit and enter, right? So what we were what we utilized in our office is a modeling software of a WB67 vehicle. We looked at the largest possible vehicle that is a over 70 foot

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long vehicle, the 53 ft trailers and we modeled that to um design the entryway again with the trucks that have the ability to make a left in or right in also circulate through the property and utilize the the loading bay. As far as

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the loading bays are concerned based on the development program, four are required and four are provided. As far as exiting site, the same thing. We looked at the uh modeling software and these widths and these alignments of the curbs and so on and so forth were appropriate to accommodate that type of

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vehicle and again to maintain a ride out. Um we did not provide any form of a a driveway off onto the side street. We maintained the uh the intent of what's there today to exit and enter off of uh the main street.

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I I have no further questions for this witness. >> Just one quick one and we'll open up to the board. You mentioned you don't get any variances and you have uh a second curve cut and you're looking for a wider curve cut. Is that because of existing

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conditions and you don't need a variance or you can explain that to me why you don't need a variance? Our plan is probably going to go in more detail than than than myself as the site engineer. Um, but it's our interpretation that that section of the ordinance does not apply to this this application

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>> and and I and if if if you could he'll he'll go into more planning detail of why that is the case. >> In a nutshell, our position is that the that the relief that was called out as a variance is only applicable to one and two family homes.

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And and if I I'll offer one comment in advance. I'm sure as far as traffic studies is concerned, a formal traffic study of the impact of this development on the street was not performed by our office nor was performed uh by the applicant. Traditionally, when you have a site that is a permitted use. Uh that

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type of analysis is not required. What is required though is to make sure that you can function on site for the type of use that you're providing. And that's what we did. I'll open it up to the board if anybody has any questions.

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>> Good evening. Uh, I have a couple questions. I'll try to go somewhat in order. The loading base, how big a truck can that accommodate? >> The WB67. >> Well, 67 ft long. Uh I think it's 73

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>> and uh >> that's what it was modeled for. It can it can accommodate that. >> And they're going to be able to swing it to that. >> Yes. >> We need turning rate assist for that. Do you have that? >> The the plan reflects the result of the

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modeling. So, you know, you you guys mentioned that you're very sensitive to the neighbors and we're we're removing a 20ft buffer and replacing it with a sixoot buffer and removing 12 trees maybe more uh that count

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quickly. That doesn't seem very susant to just my opinion there. >> Uh your sword, isn't there retention on the on the site? What exist on the property based on the reconnaissance that we were able to do is the back of

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the property looks like there's an area where there might have been uh seepage pits or infiltration at one time. Uh there is a portion of the property also that discharges off into the side street. Your engineer did ask for some additional information to support the

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conclusions that we drew and we would offer to provide that. Yeah, I think we're going to have to see that because you're putting looks like to me you're putting all the storm water back into that right corner. >> I will tell you that the uh soil survey of the area represents that these are

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poor soil conditions for infiltration. Um again, we are subject to the major storm water criteria which is a a set of criteria that is supported by the DP and there it's very strict. >> You're going to you're going to have to come back with some some information from the engineer. So that's that

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remains to be seen. >> Well, that that's that's not the case. The the overall >> it is the case. >> You you think that's the case, but I'm telling you what the fact is and based on the engineers letter, the the overall design represents that the project does

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comply with the state ordinance as far as the overall design storm water management. There was a comment, are we overburdening the system in willing willing um Willington? Yeah. So we will have to provide that additional support for that. But overall, the site does

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comply with the three prongs. The water quantity, which is the amount of water, and the way that we manage that is through putting uh I think it's a 20,000 square foot green roof on the building. We do not have to comply with ground uh water quality because we are reducing

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the amount of motor vehicle surface on the property. So, that's actually a benefit based on this design. And as far as the subsoil conditions, we do not have to provide any sort of groundwater recharge. So it comes down to quantity, the amount and the site complies. But what we want to make sure too is that

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based on that we're not going to overburden the existing system. If we have to provide more green roof or things like that to help detain some of that rate, that's what we're going to have to do. But the site does comply. And again, u just on the landscape,

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yeah, you you're putting in six foot arborings. Um just doesn't seem sufficient u to protect those homeowners that are they're house right there and they're going to

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have to listen to trucks coming in. And as Kathy called the beep beep beep the reverse uh born uh it doesn't does doesn't doesn't seem very sensitive. That's all I have. Mr. Chair, >> I'll just mention that the the buffer that is provided and the planting is

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that is being proposed in that area does comply with the ordinance. >> What is the requirement? >> Six feet. a lot. >> All right, so again, the great mystery.

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Um, you have how many offices on top and are they set up as an office share? How's that set up? Is it set up as one big office? Office share with people you have 28 parking spaces there. So

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potentially 28 parking spaces is a lot for for a warehouse. So you have the second floor set up with office space. What what are you going to rent that out of as opposed to in the bottom warehouse space? So now you have two uses basically the way I see it.

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>> There are two uses. >> There are two uses. So yes, what do you intend on the office use? Is that going to be one company coming in or is it going to be an office share where people are going to be coming in and out? You're going to have all kinds of transient of people in and out. What? But again, is this they I don't know

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yet. >> If you're asking me, that's an ownership question. Uh we're the site engineer. We deal with grading and drainage and circulation things like that. >> So, what? >> Yep. >> Describe to me a green roof. Where does all the water go with the green roof?

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>> The reason that the state implemented green infrastructure to control storm water is that prior to that um all they cared about was the rate of water. They didn't care about the amount. So, as long as you were providing a rate of runoff from the property that was less than what was existing, that was

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acceptable. The state has stepped in and now they're concerned with volume, the amount of water. So, the idea is that they want you to hold back water on site and manage it on property to um alleviate the volume of water that goes downstream. So, what the green roof

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does, and there's a few um techniques to solve this, uh the green roof, what it basically does is like a potted plant. Um the water goes into the green roof and it's like a lawn in a sense. It goes through a growing median and in that median uh the water is supposed to

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retain and stay in there. Some drips out like the bottom of a plant. If you put too much drips down the hole in a sense, but the idea is the water stays in that dirt for lack of a better term and uh it's used by the plant. It evaporates and so on and so forth. So you get the benefit of not only reducing the rates

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of runoff but the volume as well. So, um, being a major development, there's more care as far as the amount of storm water that would leave this property. That's basically, uh, how it functions. >> The weight of the water >> structurally, it's going to have to

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support that. Yes. >> Where does the water? >> Believe it or not, it's designed for a storm that uh, one of the design criterias is 13 inches of rain in 24 hours. It's uh it's designed, believe me, it's very thorough and in the amount of water that it it can handle. It's 8

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in 8 in over about 20,000 square ft. So, it's a significant amount of uh area. >> I I would agree with you, but it is something that's necessary and it does comply with the uh the rule. area. >> We're working on a project right now in

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Paramis where we have about an acre of a green roof, >> but working on it now. You know any that have been built? I mean, how new of a phenomena is this bringing >> the green roof? Um, it's a couple years old. The rule, the new rule, I could

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tell you a lot of sites try to do the the solve the equation through infiltrating in the ground because of what you mentioned, the cost to the roof, the maintenance of the roof and so on and so forth. But in this case, because the ground really doesn't accommodate the ability for the water to seep in and stay there and hold the

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volume back, uh we had to go with a plan B in a sense and go with the green roof. >> My right neighbors will end up with their basement, >> right? >> But so so now you're saying you're going

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to do this move, but there's really no it's such a new thing. We don't know how they've been working. >> No, it's vetted. It's >> actually have a a situation where a roof came. >> No, no, no. That's that's not the case. This has been vetted not only for storm water, but structurally that's not a

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problem. It's it's not it's not like this is the first one. This has been around. It it can be done. Um many many uh residential communities will have a green roof and an outside active area on top. So, it's it's been around. had propelling that's very very serious

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storms here amount you know that devastating >> yeah no it takes that into account you actually have to design for a projected storm with the 20 2100 it's it's it the state is very conservative if the state if we comply with the state policy you're not going to get more of a

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conservative approach and the town's ordinance adopts those rules that's how it how the towns have been tasked with Yeah, I don't I don't have a lot of questions. Um, can you point out where the garbage is going to be going on this property?

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>> It'll be stored in the building and then it'll be picked up um through say the loading area and transported off by a private hauler. >> So, where where is that loading area? >> Back here. uh in that loading area. Are you talking about dumpsters? Are you talking about

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>> everything's in the building? >> So I I guess walk me through how this works. So because we don't know what the tenants wastes uh is going to be like, the volume uh what kind of waste. So if you could walk me through how the the waste would work. I I can walk you

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through as far as the pickup and and exiting the property as far as in the building and anticipating maybe the size and where it would be. Our architect, I think, will give you a better answer than I could. What we did though is we modeled obviously if the if the 73 ft truck uh goes through, we're confident obviously that a a trash vehicle could

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get in here, has the ability to back up, pick that trash up and recycling and exit the property. Internally, the architect will answer that question better than I could. So at some point the trash is being stored externally. Is that correct? >> Out outside the building, right? That is

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not the intent. >> So I'm not following it. How does the trash get into the truck? >> Well, the truck will back up. They'll open up the door and throw it in. >> So it's in a fully contained bay inside the building. So there's not going to be

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any odors emanating from uh like say a containment area uh that that's shielded off by like a wall or something but still open to the air. >> All I can tell you is that it's going to be in the building at this time. The intent is not to have anything stored outside the building. And the architect

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again maybe you can describe a little bit of their thought of how they want to contain that to protect odors and things like that. >> Okay. I I'll I'll reserve the rest of my questions for for the architect then. Thank you. >> My turn. >> Your turn, sir. Matt, how you doing? >> Okay.

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>> Anthony, Matt, >> hello. >> And I have a lot of questions. I don't like the rest of the board. So, go in and sequence. >> Okay. >> That can be followed, but just start with your your statement about you're not looking for any variances, but you

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are looking for waiverss. There are three um you know we were using the term uh design alternates because in your site plan not your zoning ordinance but in your site plan code uh those three items that we mentioned um say where practical apply

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such and such. Um those items would not be practical to apply here. The way that we could comply with those items is to have the exit out onto the side street and those three design alternates would go out out the door. So what we thought >> that >> um Wilmington Wilming uh

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>> side street >> Wilmington >> is isn't that part of the property next door? >> No, what I'm saying is and I'll just turn it so you see if we came out here >> is that is that a private road does that belong to Cambridge?

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>> Uh I I believe it to be I see it as a public road. Maybe maybe I don't know. >> It's not a public road. >> Oh it's private. Okay. >> So you could go out I don't Excuse me one second please. >> Okay. Then I I wasn't aware of that. >> Then we're all done. Yeah. Hold on to your question. You have plenty of time to answer.

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>> Well, then in that regard, >> that wouldn't be possible to the side. >> Okay. I thought it was a public street. >> So So again, I'm just going to describe, you know, the intersection one where it's 100 ft. They're asking for I can understand that being impossibly a waiver. Not much you can do with the

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intersection. You can't move, >> right? >> Uh the drive this driveway on the sidewalk 10 ft. They're they're asking for zero. I don't think that's a waiver material to believe. >> Well, let me I'll just point out the the issue why we noted a zero is that the

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curb return ends at the property line. As far as the the throat of the driveway, that's actually probably, you know, 15 20 ft off the sideline. But the way we represented it is where the curb return hits the the curb in the street

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>> zero at >> right where the curb return meets the curb. buffer between the property line and the driveway on the side. It is six feet. >> That's I'd say it's about 15 feet to to the throat of the driveway. >> No, no, no. Property line between the

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adjacent property and the driveway. >> That's what I mean. From our side lot line if I Let me just spin this one more time. >> I have that. >> Yep. Are you Do you mean here >> driveway edge? Not there. Not at the throat along the property. >> Go up and down north and south. What is that? Oh,

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>> that's only a We had dimension that I think that's about three feet. I don't think that we show a dimension here, but yeah, I think it's three feet. >> So, I mean the throat the way he described it was really noting

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one name is probably >> right. But the driveway that that that design section applies to is the entry driveway and not not not the on-site one as far as I understand. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So I was looking at it as a

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property line and not the drive lane. >> Right. Right. >> Understood. >> Uh and then the clear distance uh uh for the driveway 25 ft required 20 20 ft uh

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>> and that's between the the the ingress and egress driveway here. >> Um you know again we went from where the two curb returns tangent out. Um, you know, if we were to open that up, then we considered, you know, maybe possibly putting mountable curb in case the truck, a bigger truck does come and and

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has to jump that. But we've tried to show full height curb and represented that we're only a small distance deficient in that location. >> That uh extra distance is why the uh uh the width of the driveway we call is

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only 24 ft. The max is 24 ft I think. >> Right. the the reason that that is less than the 25 is literally to try to provide a better turning radius for a potential larger vehicle coming in there. >> Okay. >> Um typically at these uh presentations the

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board request and I think it's on the checklist Mr. Barry correct me if I'm mistaken. Uh an elevation of your property consideration to the juris. We haven't seen anything like that. >> I believe the architect provided those will provide those exhibits. Uh, I I

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don't think I I went through the plans. I need something. >> I think they're I think they're bringing them as an exhibit. >> Yes, an exhibit. >> Yep. I'm look I'm looking back >> tonight. >> You're bringing it tonight or the next meeting? >> It's here. It's here now

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>> because that's helpful as you can see. People concerned about building overall, you know. >> All right. We were talking about that and we've advanced let our architect know so they have that information. um your uh finish floor height. You talk about the

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site, the grading of the site, sort of maintaining a new proposed grad sort of follow what's existing. From what I can tell from your plan, you raise the site up, especially the back side of the property quite a bit. Anywhere from 3 to 90 ft.

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>> That's right. The property does still uh grade from front to back, but the reason that was done, it was storm water uh reasons, >> but you're raising the grade. It's not really maintaining the same elevation. You're raising the grade. You're sloping to the back corners as the commissioner had mentioned, right? Exiting onto side

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side road, but you are raising the grade. >> We are raising the grade. I I believe I my testimony was that we're the pattern is from front to back. We're still front to back. We are though raising it. You're correct. The reason I'm pointing out the raising the grade is that you know your your elevations of the

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existing property without an elevation drawing in advance of tonight's meeting >> because now I'm going to study that elevation once I get a copy of it and I'm going to come up with a next group of questions but some of the questions I have tonight. So now you're raising the great three feet on one end, 9 ft in the

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middle, and six on the other end. The the the truck that seems to be just following it simple route, which I would have appreciated seeing a truck plan, turning plan. I'd like to see how far it goes out onto Washington Avenue. Your testimony is fine, but my eyes are my

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proof. I would like to see a truck turning uh plan next time you come. >> Okay? >> Because we are going to go to a next meeting. I can tell you just by what you guys are providing which is basic information not enough to convince me that you deserve a final site plan. So

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I'm telling you in advance I'd like to see a truck plan. So by racing the grade miss uh uh the woman that you face the truck do

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Glattis Molina. Now you have uh the lights of your truck 6 feet 7 ft higher than the grade that's there now which will be going into her maybe second floor bedroom. So those trees that you say are blocking the view of the house

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currently but by raising the drain they're not going to do the same. So I I think let's be open and don't describe what you're actually doing on the site as maintaining the same contours. You're changing the grades of the site tremendous

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uh which in fact then graces that building that you say 48 feet was in top of the roof which I'll talk to the architect about >> now that building is not only 48 ft from that grade but you're also raising

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everything around it uh that makes this building stand out a lot more for the neighboring properties that are very close to your property. So, let me get into my question. I just wanted to point >> Oh, go ahead. I listen. Okay. >> We are doing what you're saying. We are raising the site in the back and it's

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for storm water metric. Right. >> Did anybody else know that on the court that they're going up 9 ft? >> Okay. Okay. Um, which also then takes the light poles that are 15 ft onto a concrete base

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but partly installed another 6 7 ft 3 ft on one end 9 ft in the back of the property. So that light pole that would be 15 ft from the existing grade is really 24 ft from the proposed finished grade. Not from the proposed finish

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grade, but from that existing grade that end is going to be 24 foot higher. 9 + 15 24. So I'm just bringing out the facts of what I can visualize that maybe you're not giving the fair assessment from that

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elevation drawing that would have been required. I'd like to see that next next week, next whatever. >> Right. I'll just mention to you, you're correct, uh, as far as raising the height and then obviously the lights are going to be higher. >> I'll just I'll just note though that we

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do provide a compliant lighting design even though we're doing that. >> Correct. The elevation drawing that you're lacking would have probably made it a little more clearer, >> right? >> Or I wouldn't have to stay up all night trying to >> understood. You know, our job is to try to design the site in compliance with

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the code and that's, you know, so I agree with you. We are going up. It's it's it's a you know that's that's the case but um it does comply with the code. >> So why why is the building designed for 48 ft? I mean the standard 12t ceiling

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on the second floor warehouse uh you know determining that the building the warehouse floor and the ceiling of the warehouse determining that it's going to be that high. >> I'll let the architect answer the question regarding the building. We deal with the site. Um they'll be able to

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provide that answer. Let her know that if it's a contractor in his warehouse as we were proposing, having a warehouse 24, 25, 30 feet or a small electrical contractor seems a little over the top and that's what's driving this building

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to be a little too high. So, I I'm giving you time to think about the answer to that. >> I'll address that. Um, back would you happen to know what the distance is from the street at Washington Street to the front of the existing building right now? The existing

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>> I'll get you that information what the distance is for the proposed building from the street curve. >> Let's see here from the rightway we're 49. It looks like this the streets another another 20 69 feet or so. I'll get that exact

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number for you as well if we're coming back. I think about to say while you're looking for the first it's about 38. >> Okay. >> So you are stepping back quite a bit from the existing uh curve line from what the first with the existing

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buildings. So for the residents to let them know that the 48 48 foot high building is really not the same building line of what's currently there. It's actually set back a little further. >> That's right. And and I will again state that as far as the setbacks in the

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height, it complies with the code. >> Right. Right. Exactly. I'm just curious why you came not came up with 48 ft without the power. It's the roof line. >> They need for a building that tall, >> right? the shape of the building that you ch

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that you're proposing to actually build with radiuses and bearings like this that what's going to be designed. >> My understanding is yes. Again, the architect could answer why why it's shaped that way, but yes, that's this is what we're looking to build. just fit the uh

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tape the driveways and stuff like that, but I'd hate to see a building that's built now square. When you're showing it on your site plan, it fits the site. You're maximizing what that building could be by fitting that shape in.

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Correct. >> Again, as far as the shape of the building and its uh development, I'll defer that to the architect. You know, we're we're given a development program. We do share in in thoughts and and feedback to the architect but um uh you know we design from the building walls

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out >> the practicing mind speech for the art >> they'll be ready >> they'll be ready the uh we did receive tonight I'll save the unless you want to chime in a letter

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from our archist about the education and I think the commissioner hinted about reducing the buffer zones on the side. If you haven't read it, maybe we'll read it. The chairman would read it aloud to

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uh to to you. But it talks about uh you know reducing that thing that offer on that one side property side. Um he's he's concerned about as the commissioner pointed out as

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well. He's concerned about >> understood. I do not have a copy of that letter. I don't know if our team does to be candid with you. >> Yeah, that's why I said I don't want to ruin it again right now because I think we'll we'll have to do this as well. >> Oh, okay. So, okay. >> He's just he's just concerned about it.

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>> Yeah. If you could funnel that to our attorney, he'll distribute it to everybody. >> Oh, he has it. Okay. >> Yeah. Well, the this afternoon that I must >> Yeah, I'm not going to make that because >> I'm sorry

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>> only because it was delivered late and I spoke to that about this course to have an opportunity to do it. I was going to ask if they had a chance to look at it obviously. No. >> Yes. Is the answer. >> Well, we haven't obviously had a chance

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to review it. I think in speaking to my client, the the general idea is that we're we're willing to comply. If there's specific recommendations, we don't necessarily want to leave it open-ended, but if there's specific recommendations, we're more than than willing to work and comply. >> Yeah. If there's specific

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recommendations, we're we're, you know, obviously without reviewing them, I can't say for sure, but we're more than happy to review them and most likely address them if they're specific recommendations. Matt, Matt, I I followed your storage system. >> Yes.

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>> Or you're this 12 in pipe. >> Correct. >> And uh you're tying into as you call it um or as the plan calls it an unknown, a terminus unknown.

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limited to where you are connecting to to an unknown factor. Don't you want to know where's your connect? >> That's one of the comments from the engineers to take I guess a look a better look at and that's from the survey. You know the survey went out and did um their analyses. We obtained that

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um and one of the items is are we going to impact the downstream any further? So that's part of the additional analysis. our our goal for the application was to show that the site uh independently complies with the major storm order which it does. Now the now the question is okay you you've done that but is

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there any concern offsite um for what you're discharging so we'll we'll we'll go through that uh analysis >> I didn't get a chance to take Mr. Pen's letter yet consideration. So you have sort of >> yeah that was that yeah as far as the

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storm water management that really was the question asked. Can you look at you know any potential impacts downstream and we know if if there is something where we've got to increase the depth of the green roof the area of the green roof uh we have that ability on site to do that um so that we show that

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compliance as well. >> So speaking of green roofs I' I've installed them before. Oh, okay. >> You're with him. >> Good. >> I'll reserve my opinion, personal opinion. >> So will I.

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>> This uh Kathy's uh concern about it. It's not that new. It's been around a little while, but yeah, it's improved quite a bit. See a lot of it in the city. They have no land to put it. So, it's a lot. So, and it does work. >> But, you know, as long as it's being

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maintained, it works. So I think that in the end you know one of the concerns of the condition would be the maintaining manual of that and it's up to you and town to regulate how you maintain it how it's regulated annually gets clean 6

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months sometimes even less >> right >> just to make sure it's working properly. Well, one of the requirements of major storm water management is to provide a formal storm water uh plan that the applicant is responsible to maintain. >> Meaning galaxy or the applicant meaning

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the tenant? >> The owner of the property. >> The owner which would be Galaxy at this time. >> At this time. >> Rich, you know how to maintain a green roof yet? >> He's cut many lawns. >> I've done a few of a few. You >> look like you got a green belt. >> No. No.

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get anything green up there. >> Let me just catch my uh train of thought here again. Frustrating was something I was a little concerned about not seeing it. I know what you're describing. I've seen those plans before in my head and I I've seen them many times, but

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actually seeing how it fits this site would be something I think I'd like to see. >> Understood. Yeah. >> So, you're familiar with that plan and how it works with the WB 76, did you say?

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>> 67. >> 67. As it pulls in the oneway driveway and heads towards Mrs. Molina's house, the headlights that are now 15t higher than what's the existing grade now. She pulls up to Mrs. Molina,

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backs into your driveway, into your loading docks. Is that what it does? Is that >> correct? So now we're backing up deep deep into the uh into the um bright lights. Yes. And it may not be

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bright lights in the summer when maybe the place is closed down, but it's bright lights in the winter when it's 4:00 in the afternoon, 5:00 when it's dark. So you can see why we're concerned about these the green giants on that side. Some of them brown and dead

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already. uh you don't fall for yours because right >> maybe additional as as the commissioner pointed out taking down some big he for good reasons trees do come down on the ground >> right >> that something needs to be looked at and

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we do need to order this letter that's talking about that area for that reason >> sounds like there's some good suggestions in there that we'll take into consideration >> correct you know maybe the green giants do work as they look pretty, but maybe it's something to block the particularly Mrs.

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Molina's bedroom on that side. Maybe it's a 6ft fence from the proposed grade. You know, lights on a truck are about 6 foot high, so maybe it takes that that problem away. Just a suggestion, but we'll we'll revisit it

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again, I'm sure. Um, pavement spec on page eight, 63 and two. Sounds like light duty to me or a tractor trailer going in and out of that. Wow. Is this what you consider heavy duty?

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>> We consider appropriate. Your uh engineer I don't believe may comment on it, but if it's something you feel we want to beef that up, we can take a look. >> Engineer. >> That's that's an easy >> six doesn't impress me, but the three and the two consider

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>> that's a simple fix. Like I said, it's just that's simple enough. >> In your your report, you talked about it'll be the owner's uh decision whether or not he wants to modify that. >> You maybe make it less based on the geotech of the soils, right?

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>> He left that open. I don't think I like that suggestion. I'd like to make that a condition, Mr. Sharon >> that it's not open that we make the decision that's heavy duty >> and not up to the owner whether or not he thinks the soil can bear the tractor trailer since we don't know what's in

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that tractor trailer. It could be gold bars. >> Maybe that's fine. If you have a spec in mind, um I'm sure the applicant will accommodate that. >> Yeah. No, there is. >> We've had these before presented before us. I'm sure you could find something.

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>> Absolutely. >> Um and it says, yeah, the owner the owner has the uh the ability to subscribe to the stack. And the reason that's in there is because if the soil conditions account for it, then there's not it's not necessary to put uh something more than than what's required.

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>> No, the stone base is really what supplements the soil bearing capacity. The pavement stack, the base is what takes the weight. The top is the wear. So after, you know, 100,000 >> cycles

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>> cycles, that wear wears down pretty simple. two is a standard but then it starts to break out the three. So it's really the three that I would say needs to be deep >> and that's fine. It sounds like you're knowledgeable on this. If you have a suggestion we will definitely entertain that. >> Yeah, I just want credit that I read.

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>> I will I will be talking about it in the office tomorrow. >> Um there were some other questions I think Jerry you might want to ask but then the chairman was wanted to ask. So I'm not going to get into those. I have a few. Um,

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but I think other than that, I'm I'm pretty done with the question. You're more than welcome to jump in later. >> Yeah, sure. The uh the loading docks, are they covered by a second floor or is it open air? >> Uh, I believe that's open air. We did

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look at if potentially uh expanding the green roof over needed. We may have to do that for storm water management, but right now I believe it's open. >> Right down to the building. Yes. >> Okay. So, when the trucks are back again, the lights are going up to

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actually neighboring residents houses. I mean, is that fair to say? >> What's fair to say is they will back down. They'll they'll be declining to the loading bay. >> And the lights on the actual trucks themselves. Well, let me ask you this.

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How far is it from the end of the truck bay right there to the property? Let's see. This is 74 feet. Looks like it's another 74. 74T significant role in some neighboring

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properties. >> In my opinion, no. I mean, again, it's it's it's the use is permitted. Um, I did not see anything in the ordinance that talks about something along those lines or we would have taken that into consideration. I see there's some suggestions about enhancing the

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buffer and and so on and so forth. We'll take that into consideration when we get that letter. >> It's kind kind of a an anomaly on the property and I was just wondering uh there's a gas pipe that goes into the one-story masonary garage on the

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property north of uh there and there's three ballers. Is that >> here that same Are are you talking about in this area here? >> That what's back >> back here? >> Back there. There's

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>> you can see that the three ballards are are kind of represented there >> by the other side of the curve. >> I don't I do not see what you you're referring to. If it's on their site on their property, we're not looking to touch it at all. >> On your property, the gas pipe that

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comes out of the ground into the garage is on their properties. We'll take a look at that then. You know, obviously sounds like we're coming back. I'll uh I'll take a note and take a little bit closer look at that for you. >> It's kind of very strange. >> Yeah. >> It's right on the property line.

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>> Yep. >> Um I just wondered if Kirk was going to be able to protect that. The ballads are going to stay. Uh it's a weird weird situation. >> Take a look and get you an answer. >> All right. Thank you.

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else could discuss the curve cuts again. What are the what are the size of the existing curve fest and what what's being proposed? >> Uh I can give you the proposed first as far as the curb cut is concerned. The

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eress is 72.4 ft from tangent to tangent and the egress is 58.8 tangent to tangent. As far as the existing is concerned, I do have a copy of the survey. I don't know if it's dimensioned. Let me take a look. Let's see. Uh the survey does not uh

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dimension it. Uh they are obviously smaller. Um the ingress looks like it's about 15 ft and ingress ingress looks about 30. What would be what would be helpful is in your uh cover sheet uh zoning uh

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tables if you could list for each of the categories the existing and the proposed because you just list the proposed >> right your planner made that comment in a letter >> so in a subsequent submission that would be >> understood it helps us

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>> understood because these are significant ificant increases in the curve cuts. Not they're not they're significant >> and that's because we're going from office to warehouse with the with the with the trucks.

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>> Let's discuss a little bit your uh rooftop mechanicals. Um will you have mechanicals on your roof? Where are they going to be located? Are they going to be noisy? How do they interact with the grass roof? the uh >> the architect will answer that question

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for you. >> All right. My question discuss a little bit more about your storm water. Uh specifically, you you're not proposing any subgrade storage of storm water. Everything's

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going to run off or be collected. The new storm water management rules uh in particular for major development does not permit solid pipes anymore that you traditionally saw uh underground pipe system that you could hold the the rate back and let it release through an

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outlet control structure that is not an acceptable green infrastructure. uh you are limited to the uh methods in which you can solve the storm water quantity reductions by and green roof is one uh uh infiltration systems are another

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systems are another there is only a handful of items that you can utilize to comply with the green infrastructure and based on the site conditions here the only one that really uh is practical is the green roof believe me if we could put a underground solid state you know

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we wouldn't have the green roof we would have a simple underground pipe system. Maybe not as high in the back and so on and so forth, but to comply with the rule, this is what's necessary. >> I think we just >> Oh my cheap definitely. I mean, I I totally agree with

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>> Didn't we beat up Diaz on that? Did he install the I don't think it was >> Yeah. Yeah. It was somebody I see that you know with the >> widing of the driveway any poles being removed very close >> I do not believe we're calling for any

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pole relocation >> they're right on the edge of the >> right no No proposal at this time to remove uh relocate. >> That was okay. Thanks. >> Thank you.

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>> Um, Clark, is is there any overnight parking of trucks being expected with respect to this application? >> I do not know the answer to that. >> I know that's an operations question and you don't have pen, but that is a concern that the township has with

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respect to any approval by this or the township. So, I wanted to know whether there's any proposed overnight parking trucks and where would they propose going is going to be parked in the

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loading dock area somewhere else and and I guess you you can't really >> I can't really answer that about that >> in consultation if our plan with our planner uh we would not be permitted to

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do that because it would require a use variance So we cannot have overnight parking of trucks. >> And I'm glad you stipulated to that because that takes out a whole area of questioning that we got have some concern about. And the other thing is

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kind of dovtales with the uh the question of hours of operation. I know you don't have a tenant to answer that question at this time. Uh but obviously from some of the questions that are being asked by the board members there's concern about

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lights from the trucks about the about the light poles themselves being that different discussion uh to the trucks but if you limited your hours of the operation to daylight hours you wouldn't have to worry about truck lights at night the way you say it. So I would

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suggest that you give some thought to that as the pay proceeds because that seems to me address that that we've taken care of issue already that second issue could be resolved in fact we'll definitely give

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some thought to that and our operation >> can I detail that stand along with you know parking overnight but refrigerated trucks that have a huge success create some noise. That's part

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of that unknown use that you you don't have. I get a proof place in there and all of a sudden is to bring the track to trails in that in that voting doctor or creates noise and then without your unknown use our experts for noise and

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our experts for other things can't give us correct opinion for making that the final decision. So you can see where when you come unprepared and it's let us do what we want because we don't know yet. It's not that easy.

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>> But I want to know if I'm approving something and then a month later there's a defrigerated trailer that's sitting in that loading dock. It's not going to be there for long because I didn't approve that. >> I I understand. I I wouldn't characterize it as unprepared as much as

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it's just building a spec warehouse, which I would say is not really out of the the norm to seek a tenant after could be put it in a residential area, build it in Fairfield every day of the week. You build it in many other communities in the middle of a residential area.

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>> I I agree with you 100% and I think that there's definitely thought that a residential project would be a better project here, but it's not permitted. So whether or not we believe that that is the better use, it's it's not a permitted use. So we're working within the confines of what we're given to work

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with for this property >> for the applicant warehouse then you know given such a name use no matter whe it's no name warehouse

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uh or you know 50 they all have the same characteristics they all have the same uh operational potentials for no problems. because you're in, you know, residential areas. If you were three blocks south, no one

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would know. That's all there is to there's something warehouse. You know, you're in someone's backyard and this is our backyard. It's a little different. >> Completely understood. And and I think that that's why we're not here seeking

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setback variances. We're not here seeking coverage variances. We tried to, you know, I I I I joked with the team that we decided what was compliant before we decided what works, which is typically the opposite of how you design an application. But here, because of the

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the sensitive nature of the area, we definitely looked and said, what can we do that is, you know, other than this discrepancy, this this minor variance that we may be required, one is compliant. We respected all the setbacks. We respected all of the coverage. So, I I I agree with you that,

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you know, this may not be the best spot for a warehouse, but I I respectfully suggest that that wasn't really our decision to make. >> Can I based on what you just said, I'm just wondering, did you already purchase this property or is this application

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predicated on if you get your approvals, then you'll move forward with the purchase? No, my my client recently within the last month after the application was filed closed on the property. So they own the property. >> So basically bought the property figuring out what you could put in it.

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So like you just said, you know, residential would have been great, but it's not permitted. So there's probably, like we just said, other uses other than a warehouse that would fit more, like you say, you want to be good neighbors would fit more in the landscape of the

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community than a warehouse. So, you know, it was purchased without a plan is basically what the way I understand it. >> No, it was purchased with it was purchased with the plan that the that the current zoning allowed for a warehouse and a warehouse was an economically feasible project in this in

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this setting. and it's good. >> I I would say that that's more common than not common when you're building a warehouse like this. >> SL office building. >> Well, the second story is going to be offices. >> Yes. >> And the bottom is going to be warehouses

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>> which is permitted in the zone >> which are both permitted in the zone. >> Yeah. No question. I think there's question am I allowed to ask you guys anybody on the board who wants to

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question the I'm sorry >> what's your name >> Mina Gabala 26 m a nice try me m a >> gabala g a b a l l a h where do you live

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>> 26 Wilmington Drive. I'm four houses over from Mrs. Mol Miss Molina >> further into the site. >> Yeah, I uh I live next to Mr. Lomo here. I'm the house over. So, I'm four houses in from where the warehouse headlights would be. >> Um and this is I'm going to actually

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have to leave so sure the Galaxy team won't be too upset about that. Um, one thing that stood out to me and I was a question and then it kind of got answered, but talking about the storm water and it was going to go on the side street and then we realized that the side street was actually Wilmington Drive. And so I guess now instead of a

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question, I have a little bit more of a comment before I leave. And I'm sure everybody go your job. It's not a personal thing. Uh, as an I'm an attorney myself and I hire expert witnesses for litigations and you know understand that the credibility is very important. And again, it's not a

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personal thing, but if uh an expert is unfamiliar, thinks that the main street that we're all living on and talking about is the side street and only realizes during the presentation to the board, that that is in fact why we're all here to begin with, it makes me

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question how many other things have been overlooked in this rush project. And I just learned right now from the uh the gentleman planner >> planner >> the planner that the the plans that were submitted are completely blank. He showed me a a picture of it. So, it just feels like a rush. And again, nothing

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personal at all, but realizing that we're all here from Wilmington Drive and that's being referred to as a side street where all the flood water is going to go to. It creates a little bit of a credibility concern from our experts who are here to discuss and convince the board. This is my first time doing it, so I don't know if I'm

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right to be saying this to you guys, but it's just my opinion that it's Is that okay to say? Again, I'm sorry. It's not personal. >> Fair enough. I mean, you're here to So, so you don't have a question. >> Yeah, I was going to say, well, my question was, what is the side street that the water is going to go on? And my understanding is that's Wilmington

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Drive, which would have prompted my response. Well, Wilmington Drive is not a side street. It's where we all live. So, I had a question, it got answered. So, now I'm going to kind of give the second part of my my spiel. So, >> yeah, you had a question. >> Hello, my name is

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I'm a um property owner of 28 drive since line. Um just in conjunction with what Mr. Gabaldo was explaining also too because of the fact of the I'm a homeowner since they were built brand

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new even with all of the modern um state-of-the-art drainage etc etc. Uh, literally I have manhole covers in my rear yard. Um,

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which is suffices the problem. Myself personally, I've never experienced uh any of it, but you have a whole street of old one family homes there on Wilmington Drive built brand new poured concrete foundations, footings, etc. Uh

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and still even back then all but still there has been water problems in some of those basements. So this is in conjunction with the the subject of the whole water subject that that's so

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I'm going to stop right there. In other words, where we believe it should all be foolproof but the subject of the the the water, the drains, etc., etc. It was state-of-the-art brand new homes built. Again, I realize they're older

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now if you want to say older in 1999, but still those homes when they were built brand new, a lot of them had water in poured concrete foundations. Yeah. Yeah. So, um I guess I'll stop right there. Thank you. >> Let me let me just mention that just so

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the public is aware and everybody's aware, we're hearing from the applicants experts. We have our own experts uh engineering experts, planners experts, and they're going to testify on behalf of the community, right? So, and on

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behalf of the board, you know, I can tell you regarding storm water, there's a page and a half of comments from our experts that they're going to have to address. Okay? So, just want to make sure everybody's aware of that. >> Although we're all knowledgeable in certain areas on the board, we retain our own experts

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>> to help us. >> Yeah. And like I'm not trying to be a um how say a know-it-all. Um I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Just through experience of knowing um pretty much all the homeowners on the

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whole street and in various sections um yeah you know that with like a brand new at that time of poured concrete and you know basement and foundations and everything. So thank you. >> Sure. I I just I'd just like to say I think he

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chairman you did an excellent job of saying it. The the storm order is reviewed by we propose it. Your expert proposes it. The state has standards. I think Mr. Clark kind of touched on them, but they require you to account for a 100red-year storm and and all kinds of

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crazy rainfall. This is not standards that we decided and I think it's more for the public's benefit. Obviously, you guys know this. These are not standards that we came up with. They're not even standards that Nutley came up with. They're state standards. They have to be reviewed. Our engineer has to put them forward. The town's engineer has to sign

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off on them. And we have to create a better stormwater situation than currently exists on the property. And that's what we're proposing. Additionally, we're allowed up to 50% lock coverage in this property. We're only proposing 34% lock coverage. So, I understand the flooding concerns. I

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understand that there may be flooding in this area, but by law, we're required to make the situation better than it is. And it's not us saying that. It's your engineer eventually saying that. It's the state saying that. So, I I think that I understand that, you know, and I get this all the time. I'm out here

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doing this every night of the week and I don't understand storm water from the technical standpoint. So, I I can't expect a resident to understand it. >> Guys, are >> Yes. But but the the general thing that that is required by law is that we make the stormwater situation on the property

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better than it currently exists. And I think that that's important for for everyone to consider. I I just want to say that I I think the concern is is that the water is proposed to be drained out into Wilmington, which

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is a private road, which has its private uh storm water management as opposed to emptying out into a municipal side where it was the municipal side may be more designed better to handle additional runoff where the private road may not

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have been designed to take additional runoff from neighboring properties. Uh I I think that's the the general concern. >> Yeah. And I think Mr. Clark addressed that that that the engineer did request that that we accounted for that and he's he will perform that analysis.

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>> Right. And I was just piggybacking off what the the >> Yeah, you're right. They requested a downstream analysis. So we'll we'll we'll do that. >> Matt, doesn't the existing already tie into Bloomington? >> Yes. >> It's already connected with Bel property drain. It's the exact same property

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that's draining into Wilmington. Currently, these guys have reduced the amount of pavement areas at least more grass area and then adding the green roof which slows down the water, absorbs the water, but they're actually not contributing more downstream. They've

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actually reduced it by all the technical data which the engineer I guess engineer can also verify for you. So, but what I can see is it's already connecting there. So, if you had any uh uh issues in the past, I've been in town 55 years,

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60 years. Uh and I know what basement plugging looks like. Uh that >> deal that these guys have done and do deal with in lessen that amount of water there. I will agree to that. I'm sure

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Lone will verify for us, please. Uh but it does already buy into that lot is draining into Wilmington right now and has been with the Spanish. >> I'm sorry, John. >> The current facility. >> I I can't tell in this as

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>> it's not on there. >> It's not on there. There is one in the ground. Joe. >> Okay. >> A question for you. >> Yes. >> Um we're discussing draining into Wilmington Drive, right? What does that

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mean? Does it mean your water, your storm water is going into pipes underneath Wilmington Drive or your or your storm water is going onto the roadway? >> No, it's going into a pipe system. >> Going to a pipe system. >> That's correct. >> Underneath the roadway.

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>> That's correct. >> I just want to make sure that's the terminus unknown. >> Right. As far as the downstream analysis and the scope of that, we'll coordinate with Penoni to find out exactly what how to satisfy that concern of theirs. But again, the overall analysis starts with

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the site in its entirety and meeting those three prongs. And and the and the uh and I'm sure your engineer would would uh agree with me, the design standards are extreme as far as the amount of rain that this site has to now uh accommodate for as opposed to if it

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was a non- major development. um it would be uh less restrictive, significantly less. So being a major development in fact actually turns out to be a betterment for the site as far as storm water management and what's generated and how

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it's controlled equals VA. >> You're right. You're hired recovering structural engineer. >> Anybody have any questions? Oh, kind of back. Yes, sir. >> My name is Anthony Piganelli. I live on

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How Avenue right opposite this project. I guess my question is is this building seems to be designed for heavier traffic or there's four loading bays, >> correct? >> Any drive up bays?

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>> The only bays we have are these ones that you'd back into. >> Back into So that's going to require bigger trucks only to go in and out of there. We talked about earlier maybe subdividing the building for smaller companies to go in. They're not going to be able to handle those bays. Those bays

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are all designed for, you know, 53 foot trailers. They're going to be coming and going all day long. Somebody new comes in there, they're either going to be in distribution, so they're going to want a place to put their trucks. It's going to limit what's

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going to go into that property. So, that's my concern. Plus the foot traffic for kids going to the schools. There's a lot of traffic going through there as it is.

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>> I'm think say your thoughts are not uh unrealized, but I'm thinking just like you. I'm waiting to speak to the architect. Those kind of questions are something for the architect. And if you're still here and want to ask that this is civil engineer depth on truck

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chart traffic and some patterns and stuff, but the building's designed. I agree. You're not changing into 15 small contractors uses when it's already designed with four bays. So I want to hear from the architect myself how that's going to happen.

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>> Yeah. I've owned buildings in the past, so I kind of understand what I'm seeing here. >> And it's just geared for heavier traffic. Yeah, >> thank you. >> Only because your name is Anthony and I appreciate that.

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>> Anybody have any more questions? >> How are you? My name is Tom Rossy. I'm a resident 35 Bloomington Drive. uh like Mr. Le Palmer, I bought the house um 1999 back in the u I'd say 2002

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proponent part of Hop La Ro my wife was an employee of that was before they put the second building up. Jim McKitrich was the president and he was describing to the residents what he was going to do. We had meetings uh how tall the building was, how was it

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going to impact traffic and um we met in his office a few times. I I worked for the police department so the traffic surveys I was familiar with. Um and what happened was during the meetings the driveway cuts that they spoke of um expanding. They were

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planning on bringing it to north end of Wilmington Drive uh as an exit point because they have the the drive-ins there too which would affect the residents. 30 days had gone by. We had a few meeting we looked into it. Uh the

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president of RO uh Mkhitri sat with us uh he scrapped that driveway cut and I think he also the plans I I have I have notes on all this. I I just wasn't prepared for tonight. So anyhow, >> I would love to hear the history. >> But do you have a specific question?

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>> Yeah. Well, the traffic he's talking about um headlights and trucks today are different than they were in 2002. Much different. So that the height they spoke of >> the egress and eress had coming across the same pattern all the time. Who's

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ever in that uh sweep of the headlights are are going to be affected by it. Um, and um, getting back to the same time period, I believe Wilmington Drive was supposed to be a buffer zone for the town houses

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that were behind it. There was a woman, Deantz, that wanted to put a dental office at 35 that on the corner of course was from Ro. It wasn't zoned. They were they were turned down. So the biggest concern then

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with the residents were kids in the area. Um and and you mentioned about the the lighting uh they only 9 to5 but during the winter it's dark at 4:30. So this the sweep would affect some of those residents that and the and abundant life and some

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other anyhow. RO was compliant with our with our concerns and they they kind of scrapped it and they I think that um they had an alternative to to for for the dragway cuts whatever they were and and they were they were

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comp at the time for the residents were happy with at the time but uh you have a question no it's too short notice for me I I I I maybe the next meeting I will All

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right. Thank Thank you very much. Anybody else? >> Very glad you like. >> Thank you. Uh on my witness list, I noted that our architect was Mr. Levy, but he was unable to make it tonight. So Beth Heisik from the same office will be testifying.

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Hi. Could you state your name and qualification? >> Uh, yes. I'm Elizabeth Heisk. I'm registered architect in New Jersey for almost 10 years. Done a number of projects similar to this. um as well as presented in front of a handful of boards similar to this. >> Thank you.

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>> H Y S I C K >> before you testify. Were these plans submitted at the night? >> As far as I know, they were. >> Yes, these are colorized renderings. But would you like to separately

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before that I spoke about the other. >> Yes, the colorized prior discussion this year were not submitted to the board. >> Yes, we have top sheet.

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>> This sheet was submitted and as I was pointing out, we do have some two additional views um to share as well which was requested in the letter. Correct. >> Correct. >> We just received notice yesterday, I

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believe, of that information and didn't have a chance to get it ahead of time there. Do we have other copies or that we can pass around at least >> the SK00? >> Yes. Yeah, that's labeled. >> Yes.

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>> Correct. >> So to the reader it would apply >> essentially what it is. Yes. So this is the one. >> Yes, that's >> and that's the only one at this point that we were speaking with.

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>> But the second one copies of tonight. >> I don't believe we have copies of the there's only two additional renderings which we'll make sure are submitted, but we can look at those. Well, I suspect

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>> I'm not not that's a I I suspect you're you're building a vanilla envelope building and once you get a tenant, you'll issue a work letter and and come up with your with the with the tenants spec uh specificity regarding where the

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wall interior walls go and that kind of stuff, right? >> Yes. I I think that there was there was mention made of how the the plans were blank. I think that that's not really a fair characterization. It's just you wouldn't devise a space until you know who attendants's going to be. So, as far as, you know, whether we're code

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compliant on size of building and parking spaces for the size of the building, we have the plans to show that, but obviously we don't show how the space is going to be devised because we don't know how the space is going to be devised. >> And that's not unusual in your business. >> Uh, it's, as I said, more common than not, especially for something of of this

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nature. If you're building a residential building, that would be really weird to do. But building a warehouse or a retail building, it's more common than not to show how the the amount of space you're going to have, the elevations, the look of the building, but to actually show how the interior would be devised. We

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would basically be giving you a guess at this point if we were to show how it would be devised. Look, the reason I'm asking is because I want I want it to be clear that you're not trying to hide something that you already know, right? And and that, you

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know, once you get a tenant locked in, you'll demise the space in accordance. >> Yes. So, >> all right. I >> I'll agree with that about 50%. >> Okay. You've already designed the building as the gentleman in the back, Anthony, mentioned, and I agree with him 100%.

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You've already designed the outside of the building for a specific type of operation or loading bays that you're not dividing it up into 16 garage doors because you would have to be showing that on the building right now.

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>> Oh, I agree with you entirely. whether you divide it up internally, you only have four garage doors. And then not going to start getting into what Dave Barry does best and telling you how to design and make sure that there's proper uh egress and paths, the travel and all

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that stuff that you want to divide this building into smaller buildings because then a lot more exit doors and stuff. So you've already designed a building. She's already designed the building. I already envisioned what you're doing with it. So that's where my next wave of

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questions are going to be. So subdividing the interior means nothing. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was my only point that >> that subdividing the interior to show, you know, this is where this is going to be and that's going to be would be premature at this point. >> Yeah. Other than that, it's already

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designed. >> I think it was designed in the sense of the bays and we know sort of what the use is going to be. But uh my point was more just the actual interior layout of how the floor plan is going to be will be specific to the tenant.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. >> Okay. So I'll kind of present the overall building. Um we're proposing as was mentioned about 24 square 24,000 square foot building. Um it will be about just under 50 feet tall. And I'll

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explain um the logic on that by the zoning allows with a further set back you sets the height of the building. Um so we're a little bit further back from the street that gets us the 50ft height at the front of the building. However,

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the rear um is only about 25 ft. the front portion where it's two stories, the office on the second floor um is the 48 ft almost 50 ft and then towards the back where the warehouse is only one

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story is about 25 ft. Um as far as materiality and kind of the appearance of the building, it's going to be predominantly a light colored building. Uh probably white in nature. Um, we're looking at a brick for the

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first floor at the front. Um, and a metal panel for the second floor and the majority of the rear. Um, so if you're kind of envisioning a large warehouse as you're driving along the turnpike or something like that, it's not really that appearance at all. Um, it's a much

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smaller scale, much more kind of residential texture and materials. Um we'll have quite a number of windows that will be different than most warehouses that you would imagine. Um as we said it kind of warehouse gets a

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negative stigma in that sense. Um as far as how the shape of the building that was brought up, it's very much that kind of the form follows the function. Like you said, we're not trying to do anything extravagant or make any huge design

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statements here. um really just get the operations in and keep it as simple as possible and hopefully as appropriate for the site as possible. Um the curves on the building are to allow for the truck turn radiuses. Um and then we

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added a few features similar to that to kind of highlight that aesthetic of the building. Trying to think a few of the other questions that came up, but maybe I'll just open it for questions if there's anything else specific building

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>> which was one of the question but I'll let you continue someone else has other question. >> Yeah, Mr. Ch. So just give me an example of how you would

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take this existing building and divide it into two tenants. >> No, no, two tenants in a warehouse. Two bays for each uh for each ten. Can you show me how that could be divided? because I'm not an architect. I

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just seem like that's possible. I >> mean, I can put up uh separation walls. Um there are exit doors kind of in multiple spots there. We have four 1 2 3 four

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quite a number of exits that if we did need to divide it up, we could have more than one tenant. Um would allow us multiple. To that point, we would obviously need to make sure that every tenant has sufficient egress, every tenant has an appropriate code developed

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space, and that's where it would come into play of kind of submitting the final tenant fit out plans once those are determined. So, I can give you we can put walls anywhere in there in theory, but we'd make sure that it's compliant.

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You can put them at everywhere, but you got to make it function. So, this is why I want to make sure I understand. So, the where from the back, we'll just say 99 ft.

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50 ft high warehouse. >> Correct. The the front of the building is 48t, we'll say. if that's what you're asking. >> Let's go to the to the second floor.

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>> All right. So, the the the front office space, it's 38, correct? So, that's separate office space. Second floor. >> I'm not sure what you're >> deep. >> Oh, 3 ft deep. Yes.

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>> 3 ft deep. >> Thought you were talking to height. Sorry. behind that 38 ft of second floor office space. That's all warehouse. That's 50 ft high. Correct. >> For a small portion. Yes. And then it

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steps down to the 25 ft as you can see in the uh >> Yeah. >> The elevations because of the curve of the building and the angle, it's a little skewed. Um but the bottom one, the north elevation probably demonstrates it the best that how it steps down.

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And that's really to accommodate the warehouse because why would you you wouldn't need a office space to have 25 foot ceilings? >> 25 foot office is 25.

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>> That's pretty high, right? It's a lot to eat, lot to >> question. I'm talking about the size now >> make two floors there. >> Is that a possibility? >> Two floors meaning two warehouses.

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>> Two floor office space. >> Is that possible? >> Not based on this design. We wouldn't try and put more in there without it going forward that way. And we probably have about 20 foot ceilings in there

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from um >> still high. Correct. >> Correct. >> It's generous. >> 15 foot wide building. And I'm not an engineer. I'm not done, but I know that Anthony did establish that the total

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grade is elevated almost 15 feet. You said in the dash of the property, >> in the back of the shop. Now, would that raise up the height of the building? >> It makes the building itself pretty much level. Um, so that those elevations are based on the floor level. Um, it's not

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going to raise it up more in the back. No, >> building. So the total complete height is 50 >> 48 and change correct. Yeah. >> And what's the total height of

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those >> typically 30 to 35? Um >> that's all right. those elevations the renderings we get to those show them the 3D views do that

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um this is a view from from Wilmington pretty much across the street on Washington A and this is from um the backside on No, I said that backwards. This is from Washington uh across the street and this is on Wilmington Drive. But you would see looking towards the

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property. So this is a home on Wilmington >> and this is the warehouse. >> Correct. That's looking >> it's proposed. >> Yes. Just to point out, I can show where on the site plan from

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>> correct >> 535 >> and it is set back um the existing building is set back about 10 ft currently will be set back almost 50 ft. So it will be significantly further back on the property

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with a parking buffer in front. You have other views or those right? >> That's the only ones we have right now. >> If there's any specific views that that you'd like to see, we're happy to uh bring those back next time. >> Yeah. Yeah.

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I I have a few ideas. There's really nothing It's not depicting really what we want to see. I agree. At least what what we'd like to see and I know I don't want to stop anybody from asking questions, but if you're talking about

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this, you know, we'd like to see >> um what this building's going to look like relative to the adjacent properties, right? Uh is it going to be forward, back, how high is it? And you know, we're talking about a 50- foot

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tall building, right? And we'd like to see how that compares to the adjacent properties because you know you said the back I think it's 48 ft in the back. >> The height of the building in the back and the back is 25 ft. >> 25 ft. But it's on top of 9 ft of felt

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>> believe. So yeah. >> So it's more like so if I'm living next door it's not 25 ft tall. All of a sudden it's 34 feet tall. We'd like to see that and maybe show some cross-sections of the property lines because now we're wondering, you know,

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is there going to be a a burm in my in someone's backyard? Is are you going to put need to put a retaining wall back there? What's that going to look like from your neighbors perspective? You know, that that's kind of sort of where >> understood. Absolutely. >> Okay. I have some questions. Have

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anybody want me jump? All right. So, let me now it's my turn to ask a couple questions. Uh, rooftop mechanicals on your elevations. Um, you know, you could you discussed your rooftop mechanicals, how they interact with your

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green roof, and I I don't see any green roof shown on your elevations. >> So, at this point in the building development, we've not started looking into the mechanical systems yet. um which is typical at this phase of

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approvals in this level of um planning. Once we know that the building can move forward in this fashion um at this point it's not economical to start investigating mechanical systems and that nature. Um but we would be take

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into account anything that is suggested and take into consideration where those mechan mechanicals might be placed. As far as you said the green roof also um that tends to be kind of a a system that is installed on top of the roof

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obviously to address another question that the structure would be designed for it. That's a typical load that's accounted for. I'm not a structural engineer so I don't want to overstep but you account for snow load and rain lo and wind load and things of that nature. So, and this is one case where there's

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engineering numbers out there to account for a green roof structure. Um, and again, it's kind of just a system that is placed on the roof typically. >> You discuss a little bit of your facade treatments. What what's this building

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going to look like? Are you going to have uh different elevations of different architectural treatment? Is there going to be one mon, you know, one one consistent monolith of architecture and and for the next meeting um could you bring a a storyboard, you know, some

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of the AR examples of the architecture treatments you're going to use? >> Sure. >> We'll take that into account. Um as of now, we're proposing um a masonry prefaced either brick or kind of standard unit for the first floor on the front of the building. Um the second

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floor would be a corrugated metal panel which would then wrap to the uh remainder of the rear of the building. Um so kind of neutral colors, very light and hopefully comfortable on the site. Um as I mentioned have windows

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which most warehouses might not and have windows on majority of the sides to hopefully somewhat accommodate kind of that more residential feel versus just being blank warehouse walls. Um, I will talk about we have we'll have a a

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signage um that does meet all the standard requirements. Oh, microphone just went off. Is that just the battery? Maybe >> or this one's working. Should I pull it out? There we go.

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um of signage that'll be under the 150 square foot um maximum requirement. It will again once we have a tenant and know exactly what the words will say and things like that. Then all of that will

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be submitted for approvals. Um, but that will be probably one of the more prominent things on the building because we do want it to stand out and be known that it is differentiated and um so that the tenants can be found in a sense. Any signage you would want to be a little

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bit more prominent >> will be visible from the street? No, >> it I'd say it could be designed anyway, but if if that's it doesn't have to be. >> I got a building in Staten Island that

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has grave fines on it. >> Yeah, I got >> So, we're not proposing like a rooftop deck in any sense. There wouldn't be any access up there. Um, no trees. I mean, it's low grasses, maybe some you don't really need anything decorative. It's

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just for function. So it can be >> saying it's a good or bad thing. I'm just asking if it's going to be visible. That's all. Might be appealing to some people. >> We're not planning for it to be. No. >> Uh on your elevation, you know, you have

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a lot of windows and doors. Those windows, that's all glazing. It's not bars, right? To protect. >> Yep. Let me see if Mark has anything I missed. >> Ask some questions. >> Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, I got I got We're

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good. >> I think he asked. >> I'm good. Oh, you'll like I'm sorry. The the the uh lights outside, they'll be set on some timer and they'll go on and off based on the seasonal uh >> correct that can be accommodated for. Um

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I obviously once we have a tenant we'll know what their operations are and when lights would be needed. Um we will have to maintain some level for just emergency security things like that but generally yes. >> Oh you know uh go ahead.

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>> I'm not sure if it's a standard condition of this board but we would obviously agree to a six-month look back once the lighting's installed for engineer to expect inspect and make sure it's in compliance with the code after it's been installed. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, you'll have security cameras out

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there, right? >> Most likely. Yes. >> And and I know the existing building has them as well. Uh, just want to be concerned that you're not videotaping your neighbors because within close proximity. >> Take that into consideration that make

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sure that uh >> I was there the other day. They must have videotaped. Yes. >> Uh I'm sorry, your first name. >> Yeah. Um that uh your SK00001

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uh you know, shows a very light colored building which is in in line with a commercial building, but um and it may be a question for Rich, you know, the final color of this thing. Maybe it's a little bit more muted, doesn't jump out in the

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air, but we can discuss it later. I'm sure we're open to something like that. >> Yeah. And and the material boards that that that Jerry was requesting for us, it means that, you know, you're looking at, you know, certain types of material and you're committing to those material.

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So, so we know what they are. We know the difference between metal and wood and and block and things of that nature. So it helps us to know that when we looking at something it's a final approval then that's what it should look like. Obviously things do change

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materials are you know go a longer venue so things don't change a little bit but it helps us with that material >> just visualize what we're going to have. Absolutely. >> Had a previous application uh and there was a lot of attention to the equipment on the roof. I know you

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said you don't know what the equipment is. You've already committed to a roof height of 48 ft. Doesn't really tell me what the parapid going to be. Uh but is there any equipment going to be higher than that 48 ft? Are you are you prepared to say that you're going to be

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able to put equipment on that roof which is at 48 unless you're considering the parapit of the roof and you're describing the roof line as 48 second floor 25. Uh, I can't imagine that there's not going to be anything

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sticking above 48 ft, but the parapit that's us about 18 in. >> Um, I was going to say there I don't believe we're planning for a parapit just the style of the roof. Um, it would be a little I mean this shows a little bit of an overhang versus it having a

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parapit. Um, and I think I can't absolutely commit to not having anything above the 48 ft. Typically, um, mechanical is permitted to be on top of the roof. However, because we have the step down in the back, I

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>> I see >> I can hopefully try and hide things on that lower level behind so that nothing would be seen. >> The the zone, not to scare anyone, allows for 100 feet in height >> in that area. Yes, that's according to

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our planner. >> Is that possibly the case? >> Yes, because it probably counts for the uh building on oppos. >> In that case, we thank you very much. We're not proposing that

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>> but it might look better knowing that what you're saying that your equipment is not physical got screens ways that might you know HBAC equipment anything else over there as Jerry pointed out maybe it's nice to have sher covering up

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some of that some of that need >> understood. Yeah. So knowing what you just said that you're allowed to 100 foot. Yes. Thank you for not going 100 but in preparation we could start to plan ahead to cover up whatever

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equipment might be and since you don't know the use don't know the equipment that could be part of the condition that whatever goes up there is going to be a screen that covers that equipment. So anything like 3 feet higher than the roof something like that. And there's

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also the opportunity that if it is if it is required to be on that upper roof um >> it can be pulled back as far as possible as you said have screening um due to the height of the building typically looking up at it you're not going to see much on the roof anyways until you're pretty far

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back >> neighborh >> to see if anybody nearby can see that roof. Yep. infect that that area that you're calling the office front darker shaded purple right >> um

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>> looking at the SK01 >> that's only yeah that's showing where the second >> the darker shaded portion is still open to the warehouse it's just um has the second story above it >> correct that would consider the office

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section >> yes >> so it seems to be much smaller than when I look at elevation A, it's only a portion of section of that elevation eight. >> Correct. >> So some of that high area is the warehouse, right? So the the office

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windows look over the warehouse if you wanted to. Uh so putting equipment for the offices has to go on that upper roof. You're not putting it on the lower roof. So from a engineer's perspective, I

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think you are already going down that. So let's plan for maybe something to screen it. >> Okay. We'll plan on screening for anything that does end up there. >> A question about uh smells coming out of the warehouse. You know, we don't know

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what the use is, whether it's a chemical use or food use. Uh we had requirements of that venting exhausting uh component to be a certain height

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uh and the proposed tenant which we knew was able to do things within the warehouse to mitigate whatever odors were there. This is why knowing what's going on those kind of things we want to

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anticipate. This is a smart enough board that has experienced erosion everything that they could throw at us. So this is small comparison to what we've seen but it's the same issues the same things but use that's why

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that uh the vent had to be so high it had to be anchored it had to certain uh structural designs to it uh so that it would overcome the neighboring residents from smelling that whatever it

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might be whether Whether it's perfume or whatever, smelling it every day can be quite uncomfortable. So it is about a matter of uh living comfortable in your home, you

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know, having this as a neighbor. We want to make sure that we're covering all these bases. >> So getting back to the windows, uh not knowing what you're going to do. So, I'm sure that there will be some consideration whether these windows

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airtight, they're operable. You're a warehouse. You're not a house where you want operable windows where you're not letting things out. uh you know and people aren't able to look out that this is uh uh the Molina's you know backyard

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although the green giant said but so those kind of details is what helps us helps me I don't want to speak but are the windows airtight there's nothing leaking out of those windows are they you know bought regular storefront windows are they operable they're

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opening the windows or and this will get into the fire review. I'm sure Mr. Barry will have this during the plan review that uh you know for fire reasons and don't want windows that are operable and fire can spread outside, you know, things of that nature.

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>> Correct. We're proposing they would not be operable um for the warehouse at least. Um the office may or may not depending on final design, but the warehouse would be not operable for those reasons. explosive proof. You know, you got the

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minds running wondering what going in there. Um, and you know, not to scare any of the residents or anything, but there have been, you know, dust particle explosions happens, you know, so it's not

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something that we're characterizing as scaring people. I agree. >> Designing this building is just as important to me as it is for the neighbor sitting right next to it. So I don't know if you have anything

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other than just these renderings to offer us. No other details about uh know you mentioned the building is a light colored material. Did you say it was 12

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in block or it's metal studs or or anything like that? So as the structure of the building >> that's to be determined that would again kind of similar with the mechanical systems >> they'll be more than a cardboard wall >> it it will need to be to support

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everything butler building around the outside is another you know not not too pleasant to see as well. Think that was it. Chair. Oh, maybe you can answer the question that could not or it didn't get into detail.

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Designated trash inside the building. Is it based on the use and how much trash is generated? They you know that it is for me >> all going into

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>> Yeah. No, but the amount of area designated for trash based on the use and how much trash recycle cyclables will be generated, right? >> Yep. >> So that designated area based on this square foot, whether it's 110 or you already got a square foot, you should

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already have carved out an area that's designated for trash and recyclable. because you're keeping it within the building which then will require specific sprinkler systems and all kinds of other things. So, keeping it in the building sounds pretty instead of a

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dumpster location, but I'm sure Dave's plan review will incorporate the proper necessary means of extinguishing, you know, a dumpster fire in the building. So, have you given that any thought the designated area? Um again not to go back

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to the tenant use but once we have that more determined if it's divided up in >> building right so whether it's uh you know donut factory or uh you know book

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factory or whatever it's use office is already got designated area so many bathrooms so much occupancy load that you've already designated how much trash could be um

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created. What kind of trash is a different story, whether it's wood, plastics, cardboard, you know, things of that nature, but you've designated by the size of the building. You know, what's going to go in the occupancy of that that building

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warehouse has a certain occupancy. It's going to generate certain trash. There should be something on a on a plan that says, "Hey, a 15 by 20 area is going to be carved out for trash. We know that for sure. >> Okay, we'll take that into account. >> Unless the experts behind you want to

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chime in, but I'm sure they might have a different opinion, but I think that's going to be done already. >> Oh, I got five already. I got one question. >> Yeah.

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Okay. Um, no, you're good. So, you don't really have any specifics yet. Like, do you know how many bathrooms are going to be in the building? >> Do you know is there going to be a kitchen area in the building? >> For the office space, we have um

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generally we have number of bathrooms accommodated um for the size of the space, but that's still flexible. Um, if they're depending on the actual use of the office for the warehouse space, we we don't know. It's would be down to

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the tenant. >> Could it be changed to just a 50 foot high warehouse building and not have any office space? >> I mean the phys the physical building. Could it be changed? >> Hi. though because you don't have any

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really specifics. How many office building, how many offices there going to be, how many bathrooms, it is a conference room. Nobody has any specifics. Again, we're dealing with the unknown here. So, could could this potentially be a big 50 foot high

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warehouse building with no offices? >> I could take that if you have a comment. >> So, the answer to that question is no. And the reason that the well without going back to the board, the answer is no. And the reason for that is that the parking calculation for warehouse and

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for office is different. So it is likely that since I believe we're only two parking spaces over the required parking space, if we were to change the use, it would change the parking calculation. So I don't believe that we could change that use without coming before the board because it would change the parking

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calculation. >> Then what if you had office space as well at the warehouse? We're still we're still we still have a closing use. So to to change the use under your ordinance and and I am open

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to being corrected on this, but I believe your ordinance and most ordinances would typically require that change of use to be approved. So I if we're approved for a use for a warehouse and for an office in certain spaces, I I don't believe that under your code we're allowed to change that use without

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coming back before the board. You would you'd have to come back. >> Yeah. >> My question was structurally the way the building is built could it be set up as just one big warehouse? The way the building's designed curious

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>> in theory. Yes. You could just take out >> the second as yes to be frank. I mean we don't know structurally what's bearing on what but in a sense yes. But it could be. Okay, that was what I

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wanted to know. And u this is just a a question. Would there be um secure locked gates um at night when the last people leave

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>> on the property or on the building? >> So, you know, you've got 28 parking spaces, a warehouse, stuff. Is is that going to be open to anybody who wants to pull in there in the middle of the night?

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Yeah. >> There's no problem. >> There's nothing proposed like that. No. >> Anybody else? Uh so you mentioned earlier what kind of uh I guess uh demonstratives you'd want

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to want from us. I would like to see uh at least a couple iterations with an actual truck whatever that what is it a 65 ft truck is. Um also there there's proposed a wall along the property.

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Is that can you tell me about that wall? Is it just purely a concrete wall? How how high is that wall? Uh I I would like to see that wall also in the uh the depictions. Uh but can you talk about that wall along the the side of the

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property? >> I might defer that back to our civil engineer. >> I can answer that. So along the side and the back uh as we know we are raising the site up. So what we proposed along that wall is an extended barrier about

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three foot of of of say concrete barrier with a little rail on top. That's what that barrier wall is called out on the site plan. And there's a little there's a detail of it just a a little schematic detail in the back of our site plan set. >> Okay. Yeah. I would just like to see

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that depicted in uh the next iteration. Uh going back to the trash, uh uh is this uh entirely going to be contained within the building? There's not going to be any trash outside >> at this time. The intent is to keep

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everything inside. >> Okay. Uh and I guess because we don't know the use, we don't know the materials that could be disposed of. Uh correct?

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Because I guess my biggest concern is noxious odors emanating from the building and then affecting the people who live nearby and I wouldn't want any sort of noxious odors emanating from the building. So as long as that can be somehow contained within

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>> sure I think that the the best way to answer that question will come back with an answer on this unless Mr. Barry knows offhand. I'm sure there are certain prohibited uses in this zone. you know, certain chemicals that are not allowed to be used. And if there were to be certain requirements for that to be

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done, I don't think that's the intent at this time. But even I I just think that the ordinance would protect against that. And I'm we're happy to come back with a definitive answer for you on what the prohibited items are in this zone. But I I would be willing to bet there's an ordinance that would prohibit certain

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chemicals and items. >> No, I I appreciate that. Absolutely. But even permitted items can still have noxious o odors emanating from them that could affect the the quality of life for the the residents nearby. And I I I want to limit that as much as possible.

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Anything any anyxious odors coming off the property, whether it be trash or from the use of the building. Uh that that that's my my concern here for the residents, >> of course. And I mean, it's not the easiest thing to measure, but there's obviously ordinances and state standards regarding that that we'll have to comply with as well,

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>> right? Uh, and you you mentioned you had a couple proposed conditions based on it, Anthony. Okay. I I think yeah, >> I I think that's >> safe. I I I think we have to plan for the worst case use scenario uh and hope

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for the best case use scenario. And so, however, we can construct that in terms of limiting factors to uh prevent, I guess, the uh the the enjoyment of the properties of the neighbors is is is pretty much I guess our task on how

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we're going to have to craft that and try and think of a nightmare scenario that's permitted. Uh but I'm sure our experts will help craft that when they they testify. >> Question while Matt is still standing. Sorry. >> Yes.

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>> No more tough >> hanging in there, man. >> Property. >> Yes. >> I notic there's existing retaining walls on the neighbor side. You're proposing barrier wall. It's not really detaining wall. Doesn't say barrier wall, but it

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acts like a retaining wall. So your your your detail doesn't differences, >> right? What are you doing about the existing right up against? >> So, we are proposing a retaining wall

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and that barrier section just extends off the wall. So, it's it's a it's a um a monolithic kind of design in a sense. So, that that barrier again is there for safety reasons. As noted on the plan, um a structural engineer will have to get involved and do the full design and

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they'd have to take into consideration potential impacts of any adjoining uh structures like those walls. >> Yeah. Just the neighbors are aware that you're not going in and tearing up their existing walls. There's some >> Oh, no. >> going into

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>> Oh, yes. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> I was so m Uh, and I I just have a clarifying question. That that uh 145 foot sign that that's on the facade facing Washington Avenue.

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>> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. I don't have any anybody else. >> I have one last question. Uh, I'm back on the roof. Because it's going to be a green roof that needs to be maintained. Do you anticipate a railing around the

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whole perimeter as a safety rail? >> It's not a requirement for for just a green roof. When there's mechanical access and um maintenance access, it's not typically a requirement, but we would take it into consideration

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if that's a a major concern. Um, the maintenance is typically, I don't want to speak to the property owner, but it would typically be a company that is wellversed in maintaining a green roof in order to keep it to the standards that are required by the state and

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maintaining it. Um, so it would be >> I mean, I get >> professionals taking care of it. >> There's probably some minimum setback 5T something like that. You can't go right up to the edge. >> Correct. >> Right. Is it is it the whole is it the whole roof or is it so many square feet? >> 20,000.

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>> It's 20,000 square feet of it. >> Get up there with equipment. So So you're saying it could be greenery and things like that. So you'd have to have power equipment to go up there and trim whatever which is another noise thing for the neighbors.

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>> That's a sheet there would say. Yes. >> Okay. So then you maintain >> that you don't want grasses where you got to trim the grass for the winter. >> Yeah. It wouldn't be anything regular maintenance like your Yeah.

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>> Got it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> It might be similar to maintaining the mechanical equipment up there. It's a a system of the building that needs to be just kept up. >> The equipment's not within 10 ft of the power. would need a rail

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>> for the railing condition. Right. >> Any more questions from the board? >> I'll open it up to the public. Anybody have any questions of the architect? Come on up. >> Big Ellie, next time you got to sit in the front row, brother. >> Yeah. I just have one quick question.

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It's probably a dumb question. Uh, what's the what's the turning radius on here? I mean, this is 30 ft to the line. This trailer is not going to be able to come out and turn down the oneway driveway >> or the first two for that matter.

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>> Um, one of the board members asked us to provide some templates. So, we're going to represent that for the next hearing. >> Okay? Because a normal trailer is not going to be able to come out and make this turn out. Actually, probably only one would be able to make it. I don't

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know what the distance is over here to this offer line. It's only like 20 ft. >> Is that a question? >> Yeah. Well, just down. >> Yeah. Well, you see this is 74T deep and there's like a 74 foot

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>> to here to here, >> right? the exits this way. >> I understand that. I think you know when we provide the exhibits and provide testimony on that, it'll declare. >> Okay. All right. That's all I got. >> That's it. Very good. >> Thank you.

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>> Anybody else have any questions of the architect? >> Thank you. >> So I I I have one more witness, Mr. authority our planner but I believe that his given the late hour and the fact that there'll be some more testimony from our other witnesses that he would

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need to appine on I think it would be it would be applicant's request that this time we adjourn to the next available date >> we've already anticipated that this continue on we're also anticipating the August meeting as well which is the

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first time it's been August In fact, he expecting so we're setting those aside to move accordingly etc. Uh so with that said uh we wave all kind of constraints with respect to the next meeting question if

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you need that in writing for me as >> thank you. Um I'm just going to give a quick a little summary a summary of what we expect at the next meeting just to make sure um we all understand it. No no no surprises. So what we're looking for is

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um a couple of elevation drawings relative to the adjacent properties so we know h how how your proposed building is going to look relative to what's there. Now the truck turning templates which we just discussed

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uh Mr. Scarfelli talked about a gas line issue. We're going to try to get that >> the ballards and the gas line >> cross cross-sections of this you know the proposed uh barrier wall. If we can get a cross-section at the rear property line and the uh south southern property

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lines, that would be helpful showing the adjacent properties and how that elevation works out. >> Yep. >> Exist existing and proposed would be helpful. >> Uh the existing the the height of the existing building and proposed building

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including the filth Did >> I miss anything? Anybody have any other uh >> You wanted uh material boards. >> Oh, material board. Yeah. Thank you. >> And at least one depiction or maybe two with an actual with the word with the

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the largest truck that can probably can accommodate >> and a tenant. If you come with a tenant, that would be so well. Okay, I think uh well, let me see if we have the agenda yet.

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>> No workshop issues, no committee council reports. Hey, make a motion. Move tojourn. Motion to adjurnn. Thank you. >> Thank you.