okay welcome everybody uh welcome to the April 2nd 2025 Oakdale Economic Development Commission this is our regular meeting um let's have a uh call roll um
I'm Jeff Bates uh here tony Jenkins here frank Orello frank yes stacy Penn robert here and Ping Vang is not here tonight okay
um All right let's do the pledge of allegiance frank would you lead us please sure i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all thank you Frank all right uh the agenda is been handed out in front of us here uh can we have a motion to approve the agenda as presented i'll make a motion okay and second i'll
second all in favor i I anybody opposed okay motion carries all right for the minutes um any discussions or corrections i have one uh myself i know i saw on the uh staff lays and updates
second paragraph uh that first sentence was incomplete so I've already talked to Max about this and he'll update that any other corrections okay you have a moment to review all right uh a motion to approve
the minutes with the corrections that I stated to the page two of the or the second paragraph of the staff lays and updates motion so moved a second okay and all in favor i I Okay uh motion
carries okay now uh we move on to the open forum are there any members of the audience of the public that would like to speak and right now I see no members of the audience i'll close the open form then
all right um for our business old business uh we have the Economic Development Commission 2025 work plan max can you speak to that sure thing good evening folks give me just a
moment to get the presentation up here um so as a reminder the economic development commission and other city commissions are required to prepare an annual work plan that outlines the priorities goals and activities that the commission wishes to focus on for the
year uh generally staff prepares a draft based on the upcoming projects for the year and what we've been hearing from our commissioners and then the commission will provides additional input and adjust the goals and priorities the 2025 draft plan is located in your
packet and will be shown on the screen in a few moments as well um last November we did take a look at the initial draft of the work plan now given that we've had the appreciation dinner and the opportunity to chat with the city council um I want to open back up
the work plan to any additional adjustments ideas that you might have um we want to make this open and if you do have ideas we're very much looking for things that the EDC can focus on so I'll have these up on the screen and it's in your packet as well towards
the beginning um so here we just have the first few goals of the plan highlights include continuing the Bria program participating in business visits and other business development events advising staff on how best to market the
city for economic development and assisting with redevelopment efforts and area plans towards the bottom of it we have additional goals which include collaborating with other local economic development groups on projects and programs promoting resources and tools
related to economic development participating in city studies including the upcoming 12th and Geneva study participating in trainings and integrating educational topics from guest agencies and organizations um so this is the draft
work plan and with that if there's any other ideas at all I'd be happy to adjust that going forward what are the next steps so formal adoption is no not required at this point anymore um we would just look to make any adjustments and otherwise
send it back to the city council for consideration okay uh do you need a um any kind of a decision tonight on this um I don't need a formal decision again if there's just any out there ideas anyone wants to float please feel free you can also
email me or call me at a later date as well i think the idea is to still have the 12 for the BR the business retention expansion 12 visits again is there a recommended amount of people i know you go on them frequently right is there a recommended amount of people that need
to go on there or ideal three four what's a typical amount that go on usually there's about four people yeah we we try to have one representative of the business community who's not a part of the city um or can
be a part of a city commission obviously but um less we would want to make sure as visits restart that some folks who haven't gotten to go yet get a chance um so once we start those visits up we would um email folks do do Last time
what we did was a random drawing and just reached out to see uh based on who we drew and if they said yes we invited them along so I I think we would look to do that again i was able to go on one a while ago now
and it was very u interesting i think it was the um home home furniture opening when that first opened up and that was interesting to hear about and then it was there was also one for one of the local motel hotels uh we got to talk
with the general manager at that one learned a lot he was looking at that time he was looking forward to the gold line uh just to even bring in workers for him for his place so could see a lot of things coming together it's really interesting and fun to see
this do we ever run around back with any of those visits like a like you said like maybe like a year after you know to see like if somebody like that was excited with the goal line to follow up with them at the end of this year once it's been active and see how what impact it's had or anything just curious yeah I
can speak to that um Commissioner we have recently tried to really explore uh that option if you I actually gave you a phone call if you recall um to follow up on your visit to CCF Bank um we've been calling some of our firstear
participants asking them questions if there's anything the city can still do how business is going um inviting further discussion if they wish to have it and we look to continue to do that um we're exploring some contract options
right now for the Bria program and uh exploring different opportunities by which we could follow up on old businesses and really highlight the retention component of business retention is there a formal
um plan when a new business comes into Oakdale um does anybody from the city you know step up and say hey welcome to the city and you know like offer we've been cutting or anything or is it do they have to come to the city
yeah um thanks commissioner uh we have a program that I actually operate where we drop off business welcome folders and offer up our contact information to new businesses that open it can be a little tricky to find new businesses sometimes just given especially if it's in an
industrial area we might not know when someone moves in we usually rely on certificate of occupancy uh certificates which many businesses do get when they move in uh you're required to but the reality is not everyone does and it can
be hard to track that we don't require a registration of businesses like some other cities may so um when it becomes on our radar we will reach out and then if they want further discussion we can refer them to the city council to see if they want a ribbon cutting or a
groundbreaking of some sort all right any more discussion on the um economic development commission um 2025 work plan all right the next item up we've already started working on uh talking about the business retention expansion
and attraction program the Bria program um uh year two report max you have that yep thank you vice chair uh next up we have the Bria report for the second year of the program over the last year city staff elected officials chamber and EDC
members attended 12 visits uh with local businesses and now nonprofits in the community as well as a result um St paul area Chamber staff have prepared a report which summarizes what we heard from businesses on the second year of visits the presentation summarizes the
report identifies different trends that we heard and then concludes with recommendations on how to support Oakdale businesses as a city with that I'm excited to walk through these findings and please feel free to stop me with questions throughout uh just a reminder and
introduction to new members the BRIA program has four primary goals including express appreciation to businesses and build relationships connect businesses with resources to help them grow understand real estate and workforce needs and understand how our policies
impact the business climate of Oakdale as stated earlier and as we've talked about a bit uh each visit is usually attended by an elected official city staff members usually one or two uh chamber staff and EDC commissioners uh with the program we
wanted to ensure that we visit a diverse array of businesses so some priorities for business selection we used included bipok or womenowned businesses legacy employers and geographic diversity uh generally we were able to
reach many sectors across the 12 businesses including quite a bit of retail restaurants and services so more health care than last time uh distribution services science entertainment nonprofits and real estate
so here we can see the businesses we located on uh on this map something we ran into the first year at Bria was we found that a lot of the businesses were really focused on the south side of Oakdale uh just given that there's so much commercial land along the 10th Street corridor and some other parts of
the city so we tried to spread it out a bit this year and I think we did succeed in that um were able to make it up to North Oakdale as long as well as portions along 34th Street in general we did follow a survey approach to each visit asking questions
about business details facilities information workforce issues transportation and transit insights and general satisfaction with the city um also each each visit includes a facility tour and group photos and then
sharing photos later on social media and any questions that came out of it uh myself or Andy will reach out to the business afterwards and make sure we can connect them with resources they need or help walk them through a permit etc the next several slides uh combine
photos of each visit with some key takeaways from the report generally most businesses were retailers or restaurants though we were able to visit more industries this year than last year the oldest business we visited was Marcus Theaters which opened in 1935
though the Oakdale location didn't open till 2000 the newest was Central Bark which opened in 2022 um Pace was our largest employer with at the time 220 full-time employees uh though Canvas Health was similarly
large with 140 in Oakdale and 320 overall with the Oakdale office being their primary location and then game related which is a trading card and board game store in the northern end of the city was our smallest at just two employees or
three so during the visits we asked about facility investment plans we're happy to report that 10 of the 12 businesses were planning on general improvements including expansions remodels and facade improvements for workforce matters in
the first year of Bria we heard from businesses that they were having trouble with filling open positions especially lower skill positions uh generally we heard this as well from the second year of the program not hearing many differences in that though some businesses also reported finding it hard
to recruit for some higher skill positions as well uh most businesses were still planning to expand their work workforce and it's worth noting as well that for the majority of businesses we interviewed mo they reported that most of their employees come from relatively
close distances uh including cities like St paul and Woodbury transportation uh for those results we heard uh results that were pretty similar to the first year generally most businesses liked the convenience of highway access in Oakdale with easy
access to 694 94 and 36 um felt that many communities don't have that much access to primary arterial roads like that uh most business owners said that their employees arrived by personal vehicles but did think that more customers and employees could arrive via
transit if it were more accessible and showed some interest in the new gold line we did ask each business what they liked most about being in Oakdale we heard a few general themes including its central location proximity to big employers and the uh small town feel of
the community other themes that we heard included the city being generally easy to work with uh relatively low tax rate and praised the public safety departments and here we just have a graph showing that uh based aggregating
them based on what we heard from each business again the central location was the most popular followed by public safety and the community feel during visits we also asked businesses what we could do to improve uh most of the comments we heard were
actually keep doing what you're doing uh but we do want to focus on where we can improve generally we heard a lot of businesses uh mention that we need to improve our brand and reputation uh which we're looking to explore more in depth and we did highlight in the EDC
work plan other feedback included better business support not overregulating um improving traffic and partnering with other organizations on workforce resources so there you can see the desired improvements mapped out um again
with many saying uh keep doing what you're doing followed by business support and branding so based on the feedback from businesses uh the St paul Chamber staff did prepare several recommendations for the city these included partnering with other
organizations for workforce development purposes improving transit stops and pedestrian infrastructure to allow for greater connectivity to businesses for customers and employees partnering with organizations offering property enhancement
incentives and streamlining uh permitting and zoning processes to support business which is a major component of what we're working on with the zoning code update project which we did bring to EDC last year as well and then last enhancing the city's identity
by marketing itself as a destination uh which again is identified in the work plan and staff is interested in pursuing so that concludes the B Bria presentation for the second year of the program and as a reminder the full report with more details is located in
the packet as well i'd highly recommend a read if you're interested with that I'd be happy to answer any questions about the Bria program and as we prepare for future possible business visits if you have any ideas for businesses to reach out to or you might have a
connection with be happy to hear that i have a question on the key takeaway page you had um one of the takeaways was needs better business support that's one of the bullet points yeah I was looking through the packet and I agree that that's a bit general um whether or not
that could uh be partnering with an organization on support programs or if that's just being more readily available for businesses to contact us it's it's a bit general admittedly so there's ideas on that we'd be happy to listen
that would be kind of my guess right like if they've have some startup companies and they're looking for some maybe some financial assistance or maybe before they're even open like a business plan sitting down with somebody from the city like to be able to provide some financial guidance would that would be
kind of my guess at what that would mean like I said it's pretty broad but um because you see that in some of the other cities I think they have programs where business owners can go meet with somebody from the city and discuss what their you know plan is and they'll help them go through a business plan a little
bit maybe something probably something like that have um options available so you know being an IT guy I look for how can I support myself in different work environments working from home hybrid work okay if I got to go into the office the office is here what kind of
connections do I need what kind of support can I get for when things go wrong what happens if power goes out i mean all kinds of options here's some things to think about you know you have to build your own business you have to decide how your thing works but here's some things that we can either point you
to or provide right actually um is the St chamber going to take the lead on that again for this year or Yeah um I would need to check with the city council um we're exploring some different contract options so my
goal is to keep the EDC up to date as we look into that more um I think one of Yeah I maybe already a question is how about a followup so we've been on year two now
um has any followup been done for the one first few that we um went to visit say how how's how's it been since our last visit any updates thought of anything you know because they say you know what can you do well nothing well they may have just
been caught off guard not thinking about it um now that you've had a year working with this um anything that you thought of since then yeah um as I mentioned a bit earlier we built in a um new system where we're checking in with these
businesses um a year after um we recently did it with the first year and we're working on doing it with the second year or we will do it with the second year businesses after some more time has passed yes okay um now that we are getting further along if we're looking at future business visit
opportunities I mean some of these very large employers or just businesses where there a lot might have changed in two years that could be an opportunity to revisit or at least offer it up and I can kind of speak to that too because we were like one of the first
visits and he had reached out with an email but then also just you know or you know because if it is catches you off guard give me give him a call or email you know if if you think of something down the road so um obviously a little bit smaller less employees in Oakdale um
in our in our branch but u certainly if there's changes or anything uh is very welcoming right just to know that you don't need to respond like right now but give them a call or email down the road so I'm guessing you guys will eventually get to like you said year two as you go on so
um if you're looking for ideas um one I thought of was maybe some of our restaurants like Sergeant Peppers or the Boore um just you know that they're kind of a staple in our community but also been you know in
existence for a long time so there could be some needs that yeah we'd be happy to look into those could be another one I think we did do beers tube and sergeant peppers in the first year though it was uh either right as I had
started with the city or just before so late 2022 22 or early 2023 because that'll also provide a good gauge for employment and what what they've seen over the 20 years that they've been here for needs too and usually provide some pretty good feedback those businesses that have been
here a while and there's a new restaurant down by you Frank isn't there again a newer restaurant restaurant by the out in the shopping center in front of my building there there's a muddy cow
and it is excellent place nice hamburgers it's cheap $8.99 hamburgers and they're delicious too it's a good place it's They They remodeled the inside and not had nice floors and cleaned and painted and it's really in
good shape nice place buddy cow there's a one of those um in Still Water there's several of them there's one in St paul too yeah yeah yeah go visit my mother-in-law out there in Still Water and once in a while we stop off there and you're right those are really good
burgers excellent i go over there for lunch a lot with customer atmosphere is great yeah neat and clean and cheap $8.99 hamburgers how can you beat that commercial all
right all right any other um any other questions or comments about Bria all right uh new business then um we'll get to updates and all that after after our new business election of chair and
vice chair every year we do this uh in your packets at the um end of the packet you'll have a ballot have a pen uh Max I'll make sure I stay on the narrow path here for uh the proper language to use
here then I can help us walk through the election process uh just with Robert's rules we do have to stick to it pretty close and I'll be looking at the second to last page if anyone wants to follow along for this first phase um we're going to be nominating candidates for
the chairperson and vice chair positions um so the motion is written out on that second to last page uh written as motion to nominate commissioner X for the position of chairperson or vice
chairperson so we can open it up then to see uh who would like to who would like to run okay um any motions for let's go with the commission um with the chairperson first i'll make a motion to elect uh
Commissioner Jeff Bates for the position of chairperson uh for the 2025 period of one calendar year from today April third
all right for this next uh next term all right um do I need to accept or anything i can just say or so we do have to go through a election process um so we're looking for nominations at the moment all right it's just nominations right now okay yep all right i'll um I'll
nominate um for the vice chair motion to nominate the board member commissioner Tony Jenkins uh for the position of vice chairperson are you okay with that being so new on the board are you okay okay
all right okay with me all right uh okay when there are no new motions um someone make a motion that the nominations close make nomination okay and a second second
that okay all right motion to close the nominations uh or we have the motion to close the nominations for a chairperson and vice chairperson all right all right now using the ballot provided uh write your choice your name uh write in the
choice of names for those positions nominated and then pass the ballots over to Max please spell his last name B A T E S how you spell your last name right there boss
jenkins got it okay oh I wanted to be chair i'm kidding okay give your mind back no I'm kidding we have a We have a vote countdown
here okay max will tabulate the results right now gary do you have any music queue up for us like Jeopardy all right commissioners the results are in and Jeff Bates has been elected as chair of the EDC and Tony Jenkins has
been elected as vice chair of the EDC we do still have one step left we do need a formal motion to elect each member uh the template of which is item five on the election process sheet so for example the motion would be uh for chair
motion to elect Commissioner Bates for the position of chairperson of the EDC for a period of one year commencing with the April 2nd meeting so we need a motion for the first one a
motion to read it out motion to elect Jeff Bates for the position of Jeff did you make the motion she's reading it i'm reading it oh okay yeah you have to be They have to be specific on this one the period for one calendar year commencing today on April
2nd need a second 2025 we need a second for that second thank you all right um I guess I'll motion to elect board member commissioner um Tony Jenkins for the position of vice chairperson of the economic development
commission for a period of one calendar year commencing with the current meeting of April 2nd 2025 um all in favor wait do we got a vote for each one so moved i move that we Okay yes so
moved all right need a second all right um so for the uh um I guess we'll do this one at a time for the chairperson all in favor i Okay that's passed and then for the vice chairperson
all in favor i that's passed as well all right Max how do we do perfectly good so we are good to continue election is complete all right
all right speaking as chair personnel all right um staff leazison and updates max you're up again yep i do have a good chunk of updates for you i won't try to keep us here too long i know we had the dinner beforehand for one if you recall at the
last EDC meeting um I introduced the 12th and Geneva redevelopment study in this study uh we we will be looking at the land use and transportation and perhaps redevelopment opportunities in the area
around Geneva and Highway 120 10th Street and 14th Street so during that meeting I mentioned we were exploring using an intensive two-day workshop approach rather than a traditional 6 to9 monthlong study so I'm excited to let
you all know that we will be pursuing the workshop approach in partnership with the Urban Land Institute and as a part of the workshop we will have a public reception for the project where we'll invite input on the study area and I do want to formally invite the entire
EDC to it um while the exact start time has not yet been determined the reception will be held on the evening of April 28th uh at the Oakdale Discovery Center so I will send out final information on this once I'm able to confirm it ideally later this week or
early next week um so please let me know if you have any questions regarding that study and I'd love to see you all there where is that going to be again it'll be at the Oakdale Discovery Center um and I'll send out more formal information as
well once I can formalize the exact start time yep additionally a few other things i want to note that the gold line opened up a few weeks ago on March 22nd and the opening ceremony was well attended and I do believe I saw a few of you there so
from an economic development perspective I do want to highlight just how much development has occurred as a result of the gold line something that was brought up in the mayor's speech at the event for example uh since the Helmo station transit oriented development district was created we've had more than 600
multifamily units approved a new coffee shop plans for a new park and more opportunities in the way so another thing we are seeing an extraordinary amount of development interest in the last few months we've we had we even had a special council
workshop earlier this year where we just talked through developments so as a result if you're interested in keeping up with it I'd encourage you to keep checking the development map and even consider looking at planning commission packets to see as the public hearings
roll in what those plans look like and what'll be up for consideration uh one more thing the zoning code update which we brought to you guys last year um the code draft the entire draft hundreds of pages is
currently written and under legal review we expect to have the legal review done by the end of the month and then we'll hopefully begin sharing the final draft with council um at the end of the month ideally so with that I would open the
room to any questions with community development or anything else I can answer is the uh majority of the development apartment we have some commercial interest the majority is residential in nature but
we're still getting some commercial interest what kind of industry is the commercial is it like soft I don't know what to call it soft commercial like hardware store auto store that type of thing or Yeah we we have some uh one opportunity
for multi-tenant commercial and then um there are some other projects where I'm just not sure if it's public information at this point okay yeah sure do you know if there's any the uh daycare is going to go ahead on Helmo the one uh next to
my office yeah the the one next to your office does have all its formal approvals in place and they could start construction um they were coming up on the expiration of their permits and did extend it just with financing conditions right
now any other questions for Max okay let's move on to uh commissioner updates um so let's start with Bob i don't have anything traditional okay uh I have one just one update regarding the gold line i was
there i was all the ones that Max talked to and uh I was there with uh some friends and and my family and we um rode the gold line all the way down to St paul and back and this was that was a
very pleasant unexpected experience it was really nice and now of course we're imagining is um uh the the cost to ride $2 one way and $2 the next way and thinking about it drops you off right near where the Saints ball field is so
think of this called the Saints game instead of paying $30 to park down there and all that traffic have to mess with you go park at the um end of the line up here for $2 get a free ride okay it's really just park for free but get $2 ride $2 back and you spend just as much
time walking around then you don't have to worry about finding finding your car it's all back out here so opportunities uh we just see that as being a huge thing so we're kind of looking for it farmers market's right there too you know the St paul farmer
market i like our farmer market that we have here in the summer know there's another one that we can go to sure let's bring that out make everybody aware of that that's just a nice option chair I would note as well that there will be parking available in Oakdale at Helmo station eventually as well so you can
don't have to travel quite as far yeah and that's um that's under construction you can see all the dirt be moved around what's expected finish date on that do we know that I'm not sure of but I can get back to you okay there's a small uh
small hard surface that's in now oh all right good how often do the buses run every I think during the weekday it's every 10 minutes and during the week on week nights and weekends it's 15
minutes they have I think four or five buses running on that route so it's just a just a handful of stops so it goes pretty quick and I noticed too on the way back when there's nobody at the bus stop and and nobody is ringing the cord
you know went right on through and they told us that it has the ability to um uh change the lights so it gets close to the stop lights chang it for my I wish I had that button going right through so it um it has some features that are are
really nice so last Thursday my two sisters and I they all live in Oakdale here so we took a ride on the bus picked it up 11 o'clock in the morning and I mean it was a fun easy ride i mean it was just really
nice and I know you guys did it last Saturday but I had to work so I couldn't make it but Oh sure yeah and and it's you know free and all that but um my goodness those buses are double buses i What do they hold 80 people 30 80 60 people something like that yeah god are
there going to be that many people riding those buses every 10 minutes i just I question it not sure i'm not sure about the viability long term i mean there's I don't know that's all people going back to work downtown that probably will
happen more then it's going to take a while to rebuild that it will trans transit and I think too uh just as people realized hey that bus is there it's this type of transportation people started saying I could use it you know just like what I
just did with hey the Saints game the farmers market but where did you pick the bus up at we went to the uh uh the wood wood lane station in Woodbury so at the end of the line that's where all the festivities were happening so that's why
we started there so what's the bus cost going to be for regular timeout uh I a buck a person $2 $2 a person $2 a trip and I think that's a timed period so um it took I timed it it took 35 minutes to get from St paul
this the last stop in St paul back to the Wood Wooddale station Woodlane Station and it cost $2 for that trip and I think the Well I mean it will and they said that the $2 is good for three hours so you could pay two hours go down get
something real quick and come back i suppose heck of a deal i hope it works i really do cuz we got a lot of money tied up in this a lot of money in this bus ride private lanes i
mean no cars no bikes no pedestrians just the bus that's it we've gotten some good press on it so that's good did you go You wrote on I have not yet be a family outing all right um that's all I have for an
update i have nothing um have nothing either there's the Oakdale Chamber lunch tomorrow there is and I'll mention that um tomorrow we have the Oakdale Chamber and it's going to be at Oak Marsh Golf Course starts at
11:15ish good time to get there and I have as a guest speaker Major General Charles Kemper he's a good customer good friend of mine and I've got him he's going to be the guest speaker and talk about they the uh
the guard had just been deployed to the Middle East and so they were out there they got back last December they were over there for nine months so he's going to talk about it and of course being a major general he's pretty well organized and I've seen the itinerary and he's got it all written out and he knows what
he's doing it's going to be a good program so if you you all got it you're free to come should all be there you should be there you going to be there mhm okay all right all right thanks
all right uh next on the list is the uh council uh leaison update who's that that'd be you dude thank you Mr chair nice to see you all wearing a different hat than the last time I saw you you're
in luck because Max um hit on about half of the things on my list so we shortened it down quite a bit gold Lion was there on Saturday as well um wrote it on Friday i think they had a special ride for policy makers that it's impressive i
encourage you to try it um I'd also just on the business retention expansion program Max talked about it but I would encourage all of you on the uh on the economic development commission to particip participate in that as well um really pushing to strengthen the rel I am
personally really pushing to strengthen the relationship between the city and our local business community so more participation we have the better uh just a couple of things uh the council's worked on you guys haven't met since November and I've only been on the council since January but we've covered a lot of area in that time and just a
couple things I'll mention uh we looked at the park plan updated park plan for the city and that was really about looking at um the needs of the parks and funding dollars available and prioritizing where we're going to spend those dollars in what order so that was
interesting a bike and pedestrian plan we talked a little bit about that at dinner um and then also uh you might recall the Willowbrook development is building like crazy up there but we're working on uh the park plans for for Willowbrook as well um last couple thing
just uh just commercials for City of Oakdale uh the EcoFare will be held on April 26th at Castle Elementary that might be an interesting um event for you to attend um the Arbor Day tree giveaway the Oakdale giveaway 200 trees the registration for that started yesterday
and it filled in two hours you had to register in advance for your tree and within two hours they had had filled that so that has been closed um and lastly um we had a presentation from the Summerfest folks last at our last
meeting um would encourage you to consider volunteering for Summerfest they're they're in need of coordinators workers not so much ideas but they are in need of people to help out with that festival and it's important to our community so I'd encourage you all to if
you can to um participate in that and if you're interested in that you can reach out to me or to city staff and they'll put you in touch with the Summerfest folks um other than that that's all I have you have any questions for me there was an article in last Sunday's paper I believe
about Pete Gratsky's tree giveaway see that yes a nice article it was a great article yeah very nice article i was surprised to see it but it was very nice to see picture of our mayor there I think pitching a tree in the back of a car two hours of closed yeah I was surprised
because I think I was told it would take about two days to fill up those 200 registrations in guess it was two hours um if you're interested you can still get on a waiting list because I know a number of people register I think historically and then they never they don't uh show up or they cancel and you
might still have a tree available so but anything else thank you all good to see you again thanks Gary okay last item on the agenda is
adjournment nothing else can I have a get a motion to adjurnn so moved second all in favor okay anybody opposed all right motion carries meetings
adjourned