Good evening. The Environmental Commission November 6, 2025 meeting statement of compliance. The notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press and
the poster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the township clerk on June 23rd, 2025. This meeting will be recorded and available on Ocean Township's YouTube channel. All right, roll call. Member Brandon, member Colton
>> here. >> Member God >> here. >> Member Janetti >> here. >> Member Lutz >> here. >> Member Mammy >> here. >> Alternate Baxi. >> Alternate Zilia. All right. Um we're going to just do the
quick um Can I jump up to presentations or should we start with minutes? >> Minutes, please. Okay, let's um review our October 9, 2025 minutes meetings, sorry, meeting minutes for approval. Any questions or revisions, please let Donna know.
I didn't have any comments when I reviewed them. Your >> turn. >> Do I have a motion to approve the October 9th meeting minutes? >> Ken Lz, >> I'll second >> and Jack. Thank you.
And we're jumping right into our presentations this evening. We >> All in favor >> Oh, I'm sorry. Let's approve the minutes. All in favor? >> I >> I Thank you, Norm. All right, back to our presentations. We have Renee here from
our Township of Ocean Clean Communities. You can have the floor from here. Um, I'm Renee, the clean communities coordinator for Township of Ocean. I'm just going to let you guys know what I do for clean communities. So, basically, we run two cleanups a year. I have to
plan those and also educational events we have to do because we're grant funded. Um, if you don't know what clean communities is, it's a statewide litter of maintenance program. And so, for the cleanups, it's mostly just contacting the correct people. It's a lot of
figuring out who wants to come. So, I've learned that contacting the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and churches love to get involved. and schools. Yes. And I'm excited for that. Um so it's a lot of planning the cleanup and getting everyone involved. Then
there's also organizing smaller cleanups that we do whenever anybody asks. So I'd say um recently I had a woman call me who was a leader of the Girl Scouts group and she was just asking can we clean up this pond and I was like well not really but we can work with you and
make this a cleanup event. So, we would just supply give the supplies and also dispose of the garbage for them and they can clean up as long as we're coordinating that. And then we've also um last year and I plan on doing again this year, we did an educational event we funded for the school which we have
this group. They're called the Grand Talloons. They reached out to me. They're like a circus entertainment group and they put on like a show for the kids for it's all about sustainability and glitter and anything environmental and it's really fun. Um, I didn't get to go to the show, so I hope
we can go to the next one. We just funded it for them to put on the show, but the kids loved it apparently. There's like magic and glitter and stuff. I don't know. So, I'm excited to go to that one. >> Glitter, not >> Yeah. It's just a bunch of >> It's called the Grand Poons. >> Yeah. And where was it?
>> Um, they went to >> in Ocean. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. they reached out and they said they're used to do events there and that it was fun and I was like I guess I this is what you're talking about and I ended up setting up with them
to the school and they schedule it and we just >> Hello Ed has entered the chat >> they connect the schools themselves. >> Yep. They just kind of go through us for the funding. >> Okay. And we can fun things like that
because under our grant we can do anything with cleanups and educational events and stuff like that. >> That's awesome. >> Okay, cool. >> Yep. And then I'd say that's a forunities like those specific event side and then for like daytoday for the township I mostly handle any of I work
under the code forcement so I handle any of those complaints about litter and crappy maintenance or any residential and commercial properties. a lot of litter and garbage complaints and garbage cans. And I also try to educate people on how to dispose of garbage
properly because no one knows how to get rid of like a lot of things. I'd say the most popular miscount I see is cardboard and TVs are always at the curb and we don't collect those. So, it's a lot of that where I'm like, you have to bring this somewhere. Refrigerators are always at the curb. Stuff like that I have to deal with like every day. Um, I also do
any complaints about like um any illegal dumping, which we found is really popular, especially in the summertime here. It'll just be a mattress on a dead end street or in someone's dumpster, not theirs. So, there that's pretty common. I've noticed this with mattresses and furniture. So, that's a lot. You have to figure out whose it is. So, um, and any
other complaints about litter and garbage, I go take care of those when it's in like the park or any town streets, I go out and pick up the garbage myself. So, I do love doing that. And um I can also do it like preventatively. There's a few like spots in the park or streets that we'll get
complaints about. So I'll go out before we get complaints, pick up garbage there, and that's my day. That's awesome. You're very proud. >> Um I have I have um I don't know what kind of car it is actually. One is a
white one. It's a white one. Wow. It might be shabby. >> When you do the um the twice a year uh cleanups, that only on public property. >> Yeah, it has to be public township property. So, we basically pick
locations all throughout the town. Um instead of just like one park, which is what most cleanups are, we do the whole town. So, anyone who signs up, we either pick a location or we assign a location. They come to us, get their supplies, go out, and they leave the garbage and we go and get it. And that day we have a big dumpster for the garbage. Um this
past cleanup we had I think about 500 pounds of garbage which was awesome. And we had like over 100 volunteers which a lot of that was reaching out to the schools. They helped us because the older juniors and seniors in high school they want their they want hours for volunteering. So all of them came and it
was like kind of overwhelming. I want to say one thing. Um I went to a football game a few Friday nights I got out and the grounds >> I noticed where um there was litter. >> Yeah. >> And I think that would be great for a student like you know during gym class
when you're allowed to just like walk the track or that one you know >> if they have like the cans and the pickers and walk the school ground trash. So we would be able to supply them with all of the pickers and the garbage bags and then we would also dispose of the garbage
>> and maybe that could be a location when you do do a clean up cuz I mean I obviously it was a football game so I'm sure it's only when they have like heavy you know foot but traffic and like maybe like Saturday mornings post football games we can maybe get the high school kids into some kind of
volunteer and you could provide them with the stuff that'd be great. >> Yeah. So we do a lot of this the planning the location and giving all the supplies they just we obviously give them like snacks and waters and stuff like that. So >> and when you have your two cleanups um we obviously can sponsor an area with
the environmental commission and we'll have our table with water. >> Awesome. Because like I said we send them out to random locations. So sometimes if there's a park with a bunch of people we have to have someone at that park want like a bunch of people roaming around aimlessly. So that would have be good because we can have you
guys set up somewhere and us because there's so many parts that need to clean. >> Yeah, of course. >> Um so keep us, you know. >> Yeah. >> On that in the mail chain when you >> Yeah, I like that idea. >> We I usually start planning it um like January, February. I have to choose the date. >> Yeah. For so you can
>> for usually a weekend in May will be okay. But we try to choose it because early because um last year we this year we had it at OKRs Field and the building there sometimes gets picked earlier and you don't get you can't get the spa so
we have to be outside one year but be like inside to like set up all the stuff for everybody. So you have to go to like spot. >> That's great. It was great meeting you at the festival and know and you know it's very new to me. I didn't know we
had you. So, it's it's >> I said you need to come introduce yourself to us and the residents watching us at home tonight. >> All of them. >> So, you'll you know, you probably feel their phone calls on a daily basis.
>> This is who you're talking to. >> Um and you just have your cards first, it looks like, which is perfect. >> Yeah. Anyone have any questions? Do you handle trash in like the streams and the and you might have said this before I got here, I apologize. And the
storm water detention basins. >> No. Anything that we get complaints about any like the little brooks and ponds and I send them over to public works. They handle that. I don't know what they do, but we don't usually handle anything in the water. >> Okay.
>> How about grass in the streets? >> Yeah, that's that's a very common >> That's That's me. That's a lot. They they think you put grass in the street. everyone thinks. So I tell them there's so many options. So that one's very common, especially in like May when everyone starts mowing the lawn. It's
like 20 houses in a row just going to all of them. >> Cleaning up the grass. >> Trying to let I'm not cleaning up the grass. I'm letting them know that they can't. Do >> you have like a flyer like literature that same with anytime there's a bunch of garbage at the curb? I'm also letting
like I'm not removing it if it's on their property, but I'm letting them know you can't have this out. Like your pickup is on this day. do not find doors. >> Yeah, I leave a lot of um stickers. >> Yeah, we have warning notices that I give out on a daily basis and then we send violation notices in the mail if
like they're not answering or if it's something like a lot like there's some houses that are like a mess. So, I just immediately mail them one and try to call them. But first, I always leave the door because most likely it's something that they can fix in like 24 hours. So, getting back to the grass for a
minute, um >> I know you you probably tell them they they shouldn't do it, but you do you suggest that maybe they should mulch when they mow. Give them an alternative. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I usually don't, but that's a good idea. I usually just tell because most people aren't doing it
themselves that are putting in the curb. It's mostly their landscapers. So, usually if I just tell them like tell your landscaping company that they have to keep the grass with them and that usually solves it pretty quickly. There's only a few houses where like they're recurring, but usually I don't go to the house more than once for grass
I >> Yeah, that was down the end of the street was so regular. >> Yeah. >> So, what about and I noticed this on uh streets with like bike lanes about putting trash in the bike lanes that block >> Yeah. They can't. So that is something that like if you got a complaint about
that, we either going to go take care of that if that's property or if it's obviously someone's like garbage, I'm going to go to their house >> because that can lane. >> Well, I was thinking more like trash in general like
>> like for pickups, they'll put stuff out like on a Saturday morning, you know, you see the kids swerving into traffic to get around it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think a big issue with that is anything that is put out on Saturday I won't see. So when it's like during the week I can see that if they're putting
it out Saturday I'm usually not going to see that. That happens a lot where I'm sure that they're putting it out like Friday or Saturday and I don't see it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You're supposed to put it out the morning of but the night before because the morning of is like 6 6 a.m. So
>> the night the day before. Do you have a big backlog or is everything like basically just handled immediately? >> Um, there's always something that's open that's not resolved in the system, but sometimes I'll have like 10 things at once that I have to go check up on every
day and sometimes everything's fine and there's nothing at like at that time. So, it really goes back and forth. This summer, because there are some more residents in the summer, it's definitely a longer list and right Yeah. >> Yeah. But um
yeah, usually things get the only if it doesn't get resolved, we do issue summons. I've only had to do that twice. >> So those are like ongoing. They >> go >> because it is that like how how many warnings can you give someone violation? >> Yeah. Like I leave something at the door
and if I notice if I go back to check, I'll usually get two days. Usually in one day it's gone, but I'll write 48 hours. I'll go back and I still see the notice on the door that I'm gonna call that they're not home and a lot of people are in the summer only here on weekends. So I know I'm just gonna call
this person. They're going to take care of it pretty quickly. So >> if we could come up with an educational campaign, what are like the top three or five things that you always see that people have to >> um miss? I'd say that the thing that I
see like every single week would be electronics are always put at the curbs. I see TVs at the curb all the time and the township does not pick those up. So those are always and I just have to tell people like you don't pick these up and I see
>> not even metal during metal like the four times a year you don't take electronics. >> So when we have those big electronic clean up guys. >> Yeah. And I'd say also >> if they get the sunset also. >> Yeah, that's why I tell most people I say you can just drop it off right
there. Um and also I'd say a cardboard is a big thing. They people will put bunch of cardboard boxes out for regular garbage pickup and if it's not in the cans, they're not going to pick it up. Has to be in the cans in the ordinance. So I tell people if you have a bunch of
cardboard, you have to fold it up and put it in your recycling. If you're putting out the regular garbage has to go in your recycling, um that's a big one. I say cardboard and TVs. I see a lot. Yeah. >> Well, great. Thank you for We know it's
a late night, so thank you for coming. >> Anyone else? Any questions at home in the audience? >> All right. Well, thanks, Renee. >> Um, again, you can hang around. If you sneak out, you know, we won't be offended. We're going to jump right into
it. Did I miss anything? I jumped right in. Minutes presentations. We're on track items for discussion tonight. We'll go into old business, the fireman's pond dredging. >> It's moving along. Uh I don't know if anyone caught. So last time I think I
told you that they ran into a problem that the gate was not opening at the bottom, so they had to repair it. So it slowed everything down. But they deuttered most of the pond before we got that insane amount of water with the storm. And the pond filled back up
almost to the point of flooding, which was fantastic because had it not been deep watered, it would have been flooding everywhere. Um, and I try try so hard not to read comments on any of our found Facebook pages, but I read one
for the ribbon cutting of the fireman's pond. And some residents seem to think that dredging the pond will increase flooding. Um, so for the folks watching at home, I want to let you know that is not what happens when you dredge it. You add volume to the pond so it can hold more water so there will be less
flooding. That's one of the reasons we're doing the dredging project. Um, but yeah, it's moving along. They have not started the dredging yet, but I understand it will short start very soon. So, >> great. >> Didn't I see a brand new gate sitting out there, too? So, I think that's
>> I'm pretty sure that they they put that in. Yeah. >> Wait. So, so we have to roll that water back up. >> Yeah. Have to take the fish out this time. >> It's in the street. >> Yes. Yeah, >> see it in the street. >> They they're dewatering two plates. So
they're they're pumping it down into where it normally falls out. They were also pumping it out where it comes in from the northeast corner of the pond. There's so much water on the street. Yeah, they were pumping because the stream comes I mean it's a stream
>> um that was just blocked up and that stream if you're familiar with the area runs behind Wanamas Elementary and it comes down and it crosses under uh Bendmir in a pipe. It's channelized and piped and comes back out into the pond there along with storm water from I
believe it takes storm water from interlane as well. Great. >> Water. So it was so be piped under wipe out. >> But when they had the oil spill behind the school, I don't think it came into
the pond. >> It did. Yes. Years ago. >> Yeah. >> Years ago. But didn't it come through more in the lollipop than fireman's? No. >> Fireman's pond and they killed all the frogs. >> Put your back. Okay.
>> Um, >> okay. Um, next old business I wanted to bring up the tree ordinance. Where did we leave off? Did we draft anything to present to the council? >> I've just been inundated with work. >> You have. Do you want me to take over from writing it? >> No, no, no. Five more weeks
>> because I'd love to get it to them by the end of the year. I Jesse's kind of been they passed they passed some kind of resolution. Is it to vote on it or did they not get there yet because we didn't give them the draft? >> We're not there yet. >> No. >> Okay. And then also while we're doing
that update for the developers, um are we going to revise it for the acreage per >> Yeah, per tree. Okay. Um I'm happy to meet with you. That's like a huge goal I want to cross off for this year. So, whenever you're ready,
>> soon as this semester is over, I'll be done. >> Yes. Okay. bean. >> I can't even see hen because your uh plans. >> This is for pinch protection. >> That is too funny. Um okay, moving right
along. New business. I just wanted to bring up the schedule really quick with you guys. Um is this a vote, Donna? Um I was looking at January. I won't be here for the first half of January. So, I didn't know if we wanted to forego the
January meeting or another date. So, I just want to see where you guys landed with that. We um our next meeting December 11th and then we'll pick up back up in February. >> Time to decide because maybe there's something >> decide um in in December,
>> January. >> Okay. So, you want to push this off to next meeting? >> Just I don't know what's going on. Okay. >> It could be something. I may have sent it to >> for January. Interesting. >> It says all the dates for the next year. >> No, >> no, it's just one meeting.
>> One meeting in January, I won't be here. So, it's up to you guys. >> What would it be? The ETH. >> Um, yeah, I think so. >> If everyone wants to decide now, I I'm okay with that. >> I'm okay with deciding. Just Well, I guess it doesn't matter. I will be absent and we know that. And who would
somebody would have to fill in for you? >> I'd have to get a committed um fill in. >> Fill in would be have to be committed. >> That would be you. >> Somebody would have >> because you want the January meeting. So you will need the meeting on January 8th.
>> I I listen I will just say that the that particular week of January right now is shaping up to be very busy for me as well because it will be the end of the lame legislative session. So, I will also likely not be here. So, I would suggest going with the chair's idea of
cancelling the January meeting. And if something urgent comes up that Norm feels that he cannot wait until February to express to us all, he could record himself and just email it to us. >> Maybe something that I don't want you chair to vote on.
>> It's not gonna happen in January. >> Everyone go with that. All right. >> January. >> Yes. >> But I'll be available later in January should we need to get together. >> You know, nor we're not canceling
Shakes. You could you could go over >> if you could. No one will be there to harass you for the January meeting agenda items. I'm moving right along
to meeting at the moment. >> Yes, the look on the space says that >> but there won't be a meeting. >> I cannot say >> so actually going we're staying um on
two here because the next meeting December 11th we have a presenter for complete the streets Mora. It was been spearheading um that whole um initiative in one of massa on sunset and wipeco
>> and they've actually retained an engineering firm I believe it's an engineering firm eugen eugenity out of redbank to um obtain a grant for technical assistance with their mapping and whatnot. So she um
do I even have his name? Chris Strad, which with Eugenity, I could spell it better than I can say it. Um reached out asking if the environmental commission would back um complete the streets initiative with a support letter. So Donna sent that
letter in an attachment for you all to read today. I figured um perfect timing because he reached out to me yesterday. The deadline for it is tomorrow at midnight. So, he wants to see a little letter by tomorrow morning. So, I was happy to be able to share it with you all tonight. Um, did everyone get a
chance to review that letter? I brought a copy if you want to see it. >> Yeah, I did not get a chance to look at it. >> Here, let's pass it around. >> And it's just um like I said, it's a grant. Um, they have people spearheading
this ramp for them. They need our support and perfect timing because we welcome them. to the Environmental Commission with open arms. She'll be here next week if you guys want to um I'm sorry, next month for everyone at home to tune in then. That will be a
great presentation as well. Piggy backing off of Renee. Um any questions on this letter? Great. >> Gonna send it out tomorrow.
>> Norm, you have it. I gave you a copy of it too >> since you got it down. >> You told me to read it. >> Yeah, but that was that was 10 minutes ago. >> That paper out of my printer. Yeah, that's like a legal description paper.
>> The seal. >> Um I guess I'll I'll pause. Good stuff, right? I mean, I'm excited for Complete Streets. I'm ready for them to and we're ready to back them. All right, moving on to planned review
committee. Norm, whating plan do you have? I see Hollywood Golf Club. Okay, so they came to us in the planning board about a year ago. They were putting on an addition with an expanded kitchen um like walk-in kitchen spaces.
>> This one, the description of this that there's so says basically they got they on November 25th 24th they granted minor approval that's okay now they're seeking minor site plan approval for construction of a
pump house with closure renovations to existing golf as well as minor motivations that's Although it says they're going to they got a thing showing they have a landscape plan that says that they're going to take out seven trees right
however that plan doesn't show which which you know but another plan that's called existing conditions preparation they also have that table they show which trees are coming out okay however on landscape plan they and they say they're going to replace them with 10 trees but they never identify the 10
trees and where they come on the landscape so that I can tell you know obvious Did you write your letter for that yet? >> No, I'm just noticing it today. >> Okay. >> Haven't had a chance to work. Um, so I'm not sure what else. >> Yeah, but you're going to come up with
>> Okay. But in reality, we're not doing anything. >> No, I mean I don't think they're going to if you drive on West Avenue post office, just the street from where
the post office is. Okay. Um there's there's a street the first street that goes in line. >> Yeah. Okay. That kind of curves around where uh >> there's like a nursery right there. wasn't sure before.
It's where Amy Stewart lives. >> Yeah. >> In there. Okay. Anyway, so from her house back to to to West Park Avenue. There's a there's a there's a there's some houses there, but there's also a very wide open area with some trees on everything. Okay. That's
going to become a whole housing. >> Great. >> Yeah, that is the the old nursery. It's north. It's between Klein and >> Westport. >> And look at that new street there. [Music]
>> The old the old nursery that used to be this. >> Yeah. The one that they have been illegally clearing and doing not for stuff for the last two years. Apparently have a list of fines a mile long. >> Yeah. >> Than the spot we're talking about here.
>> Okay. Sure. So from what my recollection of the land, I feel like there's arborist all around it, right? But it's pretty wide open. Well, it is now >> how many how
>> minor or major? >> Major Throw it on the table. >> Oh my god. Seven. >> What zone is that in?
>> Two or three? >> Can you put it up so we can all see? [Music] That doesn't help. >> 10,000 square foot lots all around. >> That's R4. >> That doesn't sound
>> could be. >> I mean, I forget. Does the R4 have a density bonus? So R4 have a density bonus for compact development. >> Maybe it's an R3.
H >> one should be in the cover there. >> What's happening with two >> retention maybe slopes >> on the table so you can all see it? >> I think it slopes down there. I think it
slopes down towards roughly I think it's the top wershed there. So I assume these are all coming in front of >> Yeah. Which part of >> subdivision has to tell. They used to always say which >> where it was going
>> on the uh on the cover sheet. I think >> yeah. >> No, no, no. But subdivision has to it's not a it's not a >> This is coming off. >> Yeah. Claire would make like a cover page and she'd write it like >> looks like this whole
river rock or rip raft entrance. Now if anyone wants to know the whole thing this is all related to storm water >> analysis is >> storm water basin area investigation report management
part of the subdivision or somebody else >> I can't with these >> honestly there's probably like five people in the whole state who can actually read them so >> this is you >> they must have owned this something. >> Yes.
>> Cuz the the nursery was here. >> Is it an LLC or is it an individual? Doesn't >> matter. >> But it probably does matter for us, right, Ken? We got to get that letter in. >> It's an LLC. He's got to pay his full
dues. >> And it and the owner is >> Maybe we'll make that your winter break uh activity. >> Don't do it. They got a set of these sheets. >> No pressure, Ken. We appreciate everything. >> And you got to teach me how to do it so I can
>> This is what this says that the owner the applicant is bio. >> Does the owner of lot 29 is a bit >> 12 bucks? >> Yeah. But him owning it doesn't mean anything. >> Well, that's one lot.
>> So, he backs up too. That's the only he purchased by someone 29 [Music] is >> actually it says
>> it says this track has three lots >> lots 29 30 and 30 >> in an ideal world you wouldn't have >> culdeac they would >> you'd get rid of that house and go True. >> I wouldn't have a curve cut here at all. Whichever one is
>> which is lots >> off of the English man >> and the other six will be building >> and there's more units back there. So any catastrophe back in there, there's only one way in and one way out.
>> Someone who spent a lot of time walking that neighborhood. >> That was really annoying to get over there. >> It says they want to connect to the township motor management system located within the Klein Street right of way.
Otherwise, otherwise, right? That would be >> way down. >> I think there's like a >> Yeah, but the management is Oh, is that a storm water? >> This is This is black fire.
>> No, that's Oh, yeah. >> That might be some easement to this property for storm water. Very interesting. >> I look forward to reading your letter for that one, too.
>> Yeah. >> But the professionals, but usually we're professionals. >> Yeah, of course. >> Um, >> moving on because we're I think we're good, right?
>> Eventually. >> Yeah, but it reduces what's called a conflict point. Every time you create an intersection on a road, there's another potential conflict for people to crash. >> Westpecially I remember when I was a kid when the car
went to the American way. >> Um I'm going to go on to the next item under plan review and ask Ed for a meeting update >> planning board. Um sure. So, speaking of West Park, at the other end of West
Park, there was a report done for an area need of redevelopment for the senior living center that's near the top of the hill next to the church. Um, the planning board did not like the report that the consultant provided for us, so
we sent it back to more or less be redone. Um, so that will be coming at I believe it's it's coming either at our next meeting or at our December meeting. It's kind of up in the air because there's a
our next meeting is already full and there's a zoning board meeting that needed to be rescheduled because once again they did not have a forum. So we only have half an hour and we have to do our storm water updates. When we approved the ordinance to bring our
stormwater ordinance in line with the D regulations last year, earlier this year, we did not follow the process appropriately. We just said it was consistent with the master plan. But that's not what we needed to do. We actually needed to accept it as an amendment to the master plan. So, we
have to have a master plan essentially an update to the master plan. So, that's what we're definitely doing next month. And with the number of questions that we had at the report, it is unlikely that we will get through the area needed redevelopment study at the next meeting,
but we'll see. Um, and that also brings me to the other thing I'm sure you all noticed in the election earlier this week that the referendum passed to combine the planning and zoning boards, which is a non-binding
resolution referendum, but we will see what happens um with the council. my guess and I could be wrong but my understanding is that they would have to introduce it would have to go through two readings and it would have to be published. So we would probably still
have at least two more planning board meetings under our current setup and then it would start in the new year assuming that they get the ordinance introduced sooner rather than later. >> How would that work? >> What do you mean? >> Well, you're going to have one meeting
or you're going to have two meetings. It doesn't. The referendum didn't specify, but my understanding is that the point would be to have two meetings a month >> as opposed to one for each. >> They would have a combined group of so many people. >> Yes, it would be a board of
nine with four alternates. So, it be the planning board and their two alternates. But because it has zoning powers, it gets the bonus of another two alternates. Because a zoning board applicant can at any time ask for a vote of a full board, which means they can ask for seven votes. And because the
zoning board has specific requirements that town officials cannot participate, the class one and class three members of the planning board have to step down off the deis whenever the combined board is hearing a zoning application. So that's why they need the extra two alternates to be able to fill in because they will
lose two members when the planning board hears a zoning application. How many zoning board? >> There are nine with two alternates. >> So what's going to happen? >> Although there's a vacancy. What's going to happen to those? >> That is a wonderful question, Norm. There is some debate about what exactly
the process is going to be, but I think my understanding is that the town intends to fully dissolve both boards and reappoint one board. >> Okay. Because you could theoretically have 16 people.
>> No. Is it maximum? >> Correct. You cannot just add alternates. It's they're not legally voting. Why couldn't you have more? >> The number of people on the boards is explicitly set forth in the >> NL.
Nine members, four alternates. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. I thought legally they can't dissolve both boards. They can only dissolve the zoning board and then appoint two alternative.
>> That is my understanding of it as well. That is not the understanding that shared by all legal professionals involved in the matter. So that's up for the lawyers to determine. My understanding, my personal understanding is that a planning board cannot be dissolved and we have a planning board.
So you can dissolve the zoning board. But yeah, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. Um, but just to the point, you know, this is now I think the second month in a row that the zoning board did not was not able to make quum for their
regularly scheduled meeting. So yeah, and when you have a lot of residents who need the zoning board to be able to move forward projects, >> is this board going to still have to require a member of the environmental commission to be on? >> Yeah, it's still planning board.
It is still technically by law a planning so it be cool the planning board. >> No, it's probably going to be called the combined board or the land use board or whatever you want to but yeah >> I think it's the residents streamlining
you know imagine hiring a professional retaining him to show up for a meeting and knowing days before they could you know it's canled. So that's good and bad. Yeah, it's not Listen, for in terms of meeting the
needs of ocean residents, cancelling zoning board meetings for lack of quorum is is not good. It's just not it's not good for anyone. It's not good for the town. It's definitely not good for the residents. Might be great for the professionals because they're getting paid anyways. Um but that's not that's
not the point of the board. So, >> great. Thank you for that breakdown. Um let's move on. I have a quick update with the community forestry management plan. We're having a second stakeholder meeting hopefully November 20th. Patty
just updated me. Um Sterling consultants should have a drafted plan. Our CMFP to review a draft within what? Within a week, Ken? She said >> supposed to deliver it tomorrow. >> Oh, we'll have it this week. Okay. We
didn't want to rush to meet on the 12th so we'll have some time to digest it. So that's exciting. We're making strides with that. Um so when we do have that meeting, everyone's welcome and I will extend further because we had a great turnout on our pre our first one. I
think it was September 16th. >> Um but I would like more engagement if everyone could uh mark their calendars for November 20th. >> A stakeholder means everyone's invited in the town. You know, we're all stakeholders. >> Said if she doesn't get it by tomorrow
at noon, she's gonna start counting. Oh, great. A Okay. Well, we do, you know, we are on a timeline, >> so it's good to stick to that. >> Does anyone have any questions about anything we covered this evening? Does the public have any questions about
anything we covered this evening >> or anything >> or any comments? >> I have one other thing and I only saw it late in the day. have not had a chance to read it, but D today released their building decarbonization plan for the state of New Jersey. So, I know that a
lot of folks are interested in that. >> Unpack that a little bit. >> Sure. So building decarbonization is essentially removing fossil fuels from your buildings and it tends to lean heavily onto electrification. But the plan that they released is a a set of
recommendations from policy to practical to be able to help facilitate moving homes, businesses, facilities like town hall away from fossil fuels and not just the use of fossil fuel energy but also in building material etc etc. So it
means making them more energy efficient so they're not using as much heat. All of that kind of best practices building stuff and lead but for everyone. >> Who's going to pay for the grid updates?
Who's going to pay for the heat pumps? >> Well, that'll be individual. >> I guess let us know once you do read it. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Um, do I have a motion to end our November 6th meeting? So, move >> second.
>> Jack and Steve. >> All in favor? I I never >> Thanks everyone.