hold me out Donna all right I'm calling this meeting of the ocean T of environmental commission to order uh roll call remember colon here member godette here member janetti is not here this evening member L is not here this
evening member Brandon is not here this evening M many presid M serti alternate serti and Alternate foxy is not here tonight and we do have NY you're not on here yet no because you haven't actually
invited her you said after January she had 10 oh right one more oh good so uh well let me REM statement of compliance with the open public meeting law the notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied a copy of the annual notice was sent to the a Park Press and the
coast are posted in town hall and filed in the office of the Township Clerk on June 28th 2024 so then my first order of business I'm going to call an audible on this agenda is Miss Erick has now attended more than three meetings um she's been to like five or six but some
of them got canceled due to lack of Quorum so I would like to make a motion and ask a second to appoint Miss erck as one of our uh associate members of the environmental commission having met the three meeting minimum for being an Al or
associate member you have a second second second all right all in favor by all right welcome Nancy all right yeah and now you get out it to the agendas okay uh we got two sets of
minutes for approval we have December 5th 2024 and February 5th 2025 uh has everyone had a chance to take a look at them does anyone have any comments suggestions edits
do we talk a lot Norma I don't look at the shade Tre minutes but uh I'm sure that they're voluminous no okay all right uh do I have a motion for the December meeting minutes move by Norm all
second all in favor for December I I opposed stain M God that is abstaining all right uh
February excuse me Don I just have one note on this um I read this backwards uh we have introducing uh Mr janetti on both oh okay and I think we
introduced him in December I'm pretty please check and correct whichever one um okay I didn't real his name is Charles it's Joe
yes so funny yeah all right do I have a motion for the February 6 2025 it move by member go that do I have a second plan Yeah seconded by Mr Monte all in favor I opposed abstained okay
all right let's do we have a second page to this agenda does someone have a second page to the agenda I know today it on the back no it's two separate thank you sorry sorry Jack
we're good okay all right uh old business EC website Jack no update St water ordinance uh there is no update on the storm water ordinance at this
time um is worth revisiting the top page at some point but I think it's uh not going sure there's no update on the St yeah uh Brookside project Mary is not
here but uh I was listening to the and I know Nancy did you listen to the uh the 27th okay you no no we'll get to that we we'll get to that the 27th I do believe
I heard the town engineer give an update that they are still waiting on one resident to sign the form and they're tracking him down so they continue that project just to REM remind everyone the issue is that they need to get consent from all the property owners in order to
do the dredging um and they can't miss one just the way that the property lines go so they've been trying to track down these owners some of which are uh they own the house they rent it out and they do not live here they're down in Florida or elsewhere so they've been trying to
track them down and apparently if I understood it correctly there's one left in their working on tracking down so stay tuned on that uh the community energy plan I have no update on that from our last meeting and our recycling contest we had a working group EC
meeting last week where we got a lot of uh progress done on that we are hopefully launching it in about 12 days I'm just waiting to hear back from the team that was reaching out to the schools to see where they are and um we obviously have our notes
from that meeting so we can create a flyer Bas on that if that's ready I'm ready to go on it I you know yes you know you were bit so I didn't want to I know and I meant to have them typed up for tonight and I did not get there but yes they will they will be done short very shortly because we got to get it
out um Okay so new business this should probably what I read the minutes I'm just curious anyone know anything that happen with bus yes that is our new business update
because there was updates today from the stucco business so Nancy and I went to the February 13th Council Workshop meeting to discuss it and we explained the situation and the council seen very
receptive to the idea and Nancy shared the uh draft ordinance from Mama feature them about Plastics and we talked about adding in EAS eph I stucko stuff um into the ordinance and they said they we're going to take a look at it do some more
digging and figure out what they want to do so apparently at the February 27th Council Workshop meeting which we were not in attendance at they discussed it further uh and the town engineer seemed
to have different feelings about the uh ubiquity of the iist being used and its impact on the environment so again having not attended or not being aware that this conversation happened we got another res another email from the
concerned residents that laid out at length their concerns with that conversation and pointing out some of the areas of concern so I took a write out to the property this afternoon on my lunch break um to see it for myself because they they sent some
pictures there's a lot of Styrofoam in there grass like a lot like you can just pluck it out with your fingers like it's not like fine granular sand or like it's chunks of Styrofoam they're all over the long think to the town
engine I do not believe that that would be an appropriate it would not be an appropriate response however the guy did the guy actually say did they say the guy said he didn't think it's so bad did you actually go out and look at it in real life you can
go and watch the council Workshop meeting it's it's around the it's pretty far in there it's around like the 30 minute Mark I think where they start discussing this you can hear the the discussion um one of the points was raised that the residents disagree with
and I did some more digging on this this afternoon was the frequency with the trius is being used um it's used once a year it's one too many times regardless what we were talking about is IUS is now
being used more and more it's it had been popular back in the 70s and 80s and the market were kind of Tanked and it got a bad name because it held too much moisture but now that they're doing different work with it now it's Energy Efficiency is becoming very popular as
is the stucco process that is they're talking about it is very in Vogue and so right now the IIs Market almost every new home built today is using I sure but but that is not the feeling that was not what was discussed at the council
Workshop back in the 70s and 0s it was called drive it and some of the problems that dvit had some issues within the way it was put together and so on even the IIs so at this point you lawn cutter if your lawn War picks up a stone and throws it at the building you put a
crack in your in your outside lay and it will allow moisture to work its way into the structure well if it's not properly no if you put throw a stone at it it'll break about every I'm saying the mo won't get in if it's properly
itself until that stone hits it let say even after no because that layer is very thin and about every five to about every eight to 10 years you need to recat the outside to make sure that that waterproofing layer stays there I have a
building up tin Falls that has that on I'm talking about behind behind the foam they're supposed to put a like a drainage wrap or something to keep the foam off the building so behind it like a weing
time somewhere so either way I mean listen you anyone can Google the market for I out there right like it is it is a popular Building Material what my suggestion is is that
it needs further discussion um you know I the email from the residents uh and I agree with them was that they I don't think all of the facts were considered that it was more of
a um kind of thetive yeah more like this is how we kind of feel about this is our sense of it there wasn't any fact or hard data behind it the number of buildings in town that are using it I drove up to that neighborhood today um which is it's that shadow Lawn Manor
right which unless you were going to Shadow law Manor you don't go to Shadow law man it's so it's tucked out of the way there's two roads in two roads out um there's a lot of construction going on back there and a lot of them are installing IUS right like they and they're they're not small houses um
they're very large so I don't know what the resolution is but I think that further discussion needs to to happen around it because it's just people are still putting in like today tomorrow sure exactly but
also like today would be perfect but the other issue is right so one of the things is there needs to be an ordinance at least in my opinion and I think that this group agreed that we need to worry about how these things are blow around but going out to that house
today and seeing how much styrofoam was in their lawn there there has to be that has to be some sort of other mechanism existing in town around littering that would cover that because if my neighbor came over and dumped all that much stuff
into my lawn don't get any ideas Norm but I would be really upset about it right like that's this from like a few weeks ago that the material still out or they're still six months apparently and months ago construction was and it's
still in their lawn yeah wow my God again this is you know this is what they they said in the email um taking it at face value so yeah um so basically so the town engineer the town engineer believes that
concrete dust is more of a concern so so therefore so for example the me we don't worry about the misles vaccine because maybe polio is there all I'm saying is I think that there needs to be further discussion with the council and with the town engineer to
show the the reality of the situation right like we can go out we can go look at the grass and we can say look this is what's really happening and we can say this is what the market for IAS is right now right like I understand that even 15 years ago this was not as popular a product but in the last two years the
Market's changed and what they're doing with it how they're using it has changed it's becoming very popular again so it's not going away and it doesn't you know we still need to talk about the other um detres is being created you know we talked about cutting TRS and all
those other things those other plastic materials that was part of the ordinance that we were interested in seeing adopted um and the one of the other concerns is about the uh undo burden on
contractors um and my response to that is you you know there are towns who have much much much much much stricter ordinances than ours that have a lot of contractors still doing work so I just do you think their concern is that
too many of the contractors in the area will push back and just make a big thing of this we don't want to be bothered we don't want to clean up we don't want to contain it probably okay so cut back should cut back on police
police enforcement the cooks I don't think that's a good suggestion Norm I think there needs to be something done right like this is specific of what they're saying again I I don't my personal feeling and again I only listened to the conversation I wasn't there for it I haven't had these
conversations with anyone since Nancy and I were there so again I'm I'm this is second and third hand but I don't think that they have seen firsthand what it's doing to neighborhoods right I don't think they see what it's happening to the neighbors um and I think that
changes it I mean uh I wrote an email back to um Dave Brown today and I included Nancy on it and like I said I was in favor of the ordinance because reducing plastic waste and styrofoam pollution is I'm always going to be for that but after going out there and
seeing it today just wow maybe it yeah and I and I encourage them to go out and see for themselves because I don't think again know those pictures you kind of look at like okay well there's stuff but when you go out there
and you're like there's a lot of this in this snow yes it does it really does and it's not it's now mid-march there is no snow it's 50 degrees out and you can go and this stuff has been sitting there for months so my question is why don't
they make free rest Styrofoam board like already roughed up so when you install it you can just install it not have to go create all this mess that product exist so they know which side goes out right jack that product will exist as
soon as they tell people they can't do this one and I to it which is better for everyone including the guy in stalling it was the guy in the picture he was covered in like white debris was that paint do you think or you think that was all you st from so pick up S picks
up stic and worker yeah I mean it was like but they also the around corners they are not real careful when they make their Corners up so if it overhangs by an e an inch oh yeah they just shave shave it
off yeah so what so you're gonna wait to hear back from Dave and then see kind of what to do yeah and I think that a follow-up conversation needs to be had with the council like I mean again I understand they they have to look at all aspects of an issue and we get to look
at our are a little narrow concern um but I think that this is one that requires a little more consideration oh my gosh yeah like
does so who took that picture that was from the neighbors right that means the people who that gu to do that work don't care but their house looks great I said but their house looks great
that's all that's all that that's all that matters yeah and they're going to get paid that's all it really matters yeah all right so the we we're going to follow up on this this one you know I don't want to let this one go this
one we can't be letting again all of this going pardon the pun but Downstream and all the stuff is getting into our lakes and streams but in the very short term it's getting into neighbor's yards it's buing their yards I know for a fact like the
Community West Allen brought this to the town detention over the summer called them every single day on this for house on um on mytle Avenue Water no they're um right in the middle of mommoth road so it's not like
the town you know she obviously who spearheaded it didn't go the step to go to the um Workshop meeting so it might be new to the council but it's not news to the town that neighbors are not okay with it yeah okay well maybe Julia if
you can reach out to them and and and we can get some of these neighbors together and go back to the council and and share their concerns because you know again this is news to me like you know I haven't seen it but I'm there's not a
lot of construction on my street yet um you have to see what happens to those two well I'll have to see what they're going to build a house on the end of my street they cleared the lot it's coming so we'll see um but yeah
no it very well could be um I'm I'm not a big [Music] long you know it's it's Design One M it's like look around I mean but look again you know yeah but some of the some
of the original houses before the 53 development there's a cple bunch of stuff brick houses yeah but also again and I encourage because I had not been um there had been an application before the planning board in shadoww Manor
where is that you're not talking about Shadow right here no sh the one that behind the university right behind the university right the one again it's if you're not trying to go there not going to accidentally get there um I had not been back there for
probably six seven years it's it's been a while since I've been back there a lot of development a lot of development very large houses that have been built back there um and again that was an older neighborhood similar to wanasa with small ranch houses that's just turning over because people have you know people
want more space more bedrooms you know it's just everywhere yeah yeah yeah so can we get back to these residents who are fuming right now and at least try to them a bit I'm I'm hoping they're they're gonna watch
this so hi um but yeah we can so at least they'll know that you know we're working on it yeah so um but and if anyone knows of any other neighborhoods that have been dealing with this that are upset you know
ol more of a commercial did they use any of this stuff on those I don't think so I think they just did I mean they might have used IUS but if they did they didn't do the stucko you know they just did whatever
Cloud sighting yeah the reason I is popular is because the building edod continuous exterior installation yeah and it's really good at it from everything I read it just gets
wet yeah so um and that's why that's one of the things is driving the market for it right like that's that's why it's exploding again because it's a cheap the cheapest way to do that to finish the exterior and me that goal yeah labor
intensive right and it works like [Music] extremely anyways that was great way to great way to end the conversation moving on uh plan review Norm got any plans
send uh Nicole yeah Nicole is yep so you can reacharge your hey I actually did call her actually call and she said okay I know she was Tak over yep she is taken over she is the new uh I'm
assuming she's a new zoning board secretary too but she's the new planning board secretary we approved her at our last meeting yeah anything else good sideway okay um although what's new in general what's new with
I don't heard anything about the bill boards it's zoning board so yeah um planning board we had uh an application we have what was our
application um the Fisher oh right the fisherman Source yep they they extended their facility they've been very successful so they wanted to expand their um production and Warehouse facilities a
pretty steep slope com from yeah they're they're putting in a retaining wall um but they're leaving the back part of the lot naturalized and they're redoing their traffic pattern so there it was a it was a sizable addition for that
building but it was not a major development it was pretty small so interesting they own that building or it's I believe so yeah yeah because St used to keep keep the property almost
those f up there yeah I think but I think that they own it now yeah um but good for them they're glad to see an ocean business doing well yeah yeah um and we have a new chair and vice
chair yes yeah Ed being our chair chairman of the planning board yeah um Jeff as I'm sure you all know stepped down so he could be the new council person so he had to resign his chairmanship because
class Mikus yeah yeah class 3es could not be uh um chair could only be class 4 Chris three yeah so there's four classes of planning board members there's class one which is the mayor who
designate class two which is another Municipal Employee unless you have an environmental Commission in which case it has to be a member of the environmental commission which is Julia uh class three is a member of the council well technically Julia was appointed by the council to the class
two c because the terms are different the class four terms are for four years and they're staggered the class two term is for three years and it's concurrent with your position on the environmental commission yes um and then class four is
regular members of the public um and then it also gets into it you can't you can have a member of the Board of Education under certain circumstances I think you have to I think you have to have the larger npers board with two
alternates in which case you can have a member of the Board of Education serve and if not you can't it gets weird it gets really weird so anyways that was an unnecessary detour in the conversation all right um Jack what's
going on with the green team what's going on with green Fest um well there hasn't been a lot since last beginning um and I do
need I would like to ask the anybody if uh they can help me out with the planning and executing green Fest I do need one person to give a couple hours a week just to Wrangle up some vendors and
volunteers and stuff like that make some phone calls fairly simple logistical and organizational work that needs to be done that I can't do all by myself okay um Donna could you do us a favor and
send a call for volunteers out to the full EC member and Associate member list tomorrow as I feel that there are people who are not currently present who might be able to assist Jack in this endeavor yeah so what's your what's the vendor
fee like you obviously have a form that everything's laid out on that I could like facilitate yeah the vendor fees I believe are 25 or more profit bit businesses and I think if you're selling food it's an additional I think it's it
goes up to 50 because you need like the town does a food permit um the special event permit I do the yeah or $10 oh so that it's an additional $10 it's an additional $10 to
whatever you charge them for being a vendor okay and they have to require they require getting a food permit they can't just show up yeah they have to come they have to have because the health department has to inspect and the
fire department there's a whole packet for vendors which I have that did we did this last year remember but I don't think anybody ended up selling food yeah Bakery and the bakery did it she did it right and then the mushroom lady got in
trouble gu came and she almost got Ed yeah because she had Jarred mushrooms that had like an expiration of like three years but she got yeah almost got I wonder if um I don't know like what way you want to go with this but kind of
make it like a farmer market as well where you know everyone sets up on like a Friday or Saturday and then it's just the fourth is a Sunday yeah so you know they just plan to have their produce just thinking um recently they
started a farmers market in atlin Hurst every Friday in the summer and I don't know if you know you pass it along to those people they might want to come set up shop I mean that I'm thinking like what's the produce right in in May I
don't know it says you know Goods yeah there's you goods from us cold but crops maybe yeah I guess there's really nothing but listen if you get the pickle guy there my kids will be there that would be like a great
addition the pickle guy and the bread people Benchmark bread that does it in or anyone it has to be established business that can't just be someone who makes Sour Dough Bread at home home right it has they have to be have like a business
license it can be um Cottage Baker okay yeah they have to like register as that they have to be registered as a cage Baker yeah yeah like I mean not that you know I guess could be a home the um the green Vibe but I just you know the more the marrier well the
thing is green bestest is is kind of also supporting local businesses supporting local businesses inherently is green because you're reducing like you know truck trips and Diesel emissions and all this other stuff so um I mean yeah you have a League of Women
Voters always there yeah so it's really open yeah so like non so nonprofits don't pay a vend oh my and um yeah all they have to any vendor just brings their own table chairs you know canopy
if they want whatever and um you know we just give them a spot we're doing it in the park this year not not at the library yeah so I guess if there's a form that when you do the call to volunteers if there's something I have I
have a form from last year that I just have to update with this me okay do that and then you know start spreading the word and I'll start putting it on Facebook Instagram and all that so yeah and if you want me to take old form and like canvas something like make it a
little more I'm happy to do that the form yeah yeah uh in the 5K I got an email today that the 5K is gonna be the same day yeah we're coordinating
that so that went out today so we're also having it in the same location now so that when people stop the 5K they just come green test they don't have to walk down the street yeah because I just love doing all of my
you know shopping and vendor visiting when I'm sweaty and gross that just really makes it extra small yeah it's a 5 it's more green listen it's like a fifth of America
yeah yeah that runner's math Jack that is anyways all right um mov along lollipop Pond um I Heard again on that February 27th meeting that they
are um moving forward with getting the wetlands delineated they needed to do that for some of the trail work that want to get done we needed to do a letter of interpretation for the wetlands to figure out where that was so apparently that's moving forward so stay
tuned um I'm sure that there will be some spring cleanup at some point in the near future but dates have not been announced yet but I would look for that um and yeah does anyone else have any public comments
Norm on lollipop just in general things one of the things we did can you speak up yeah at the environmental at the shry commission okay there's two types of trees we give away okay we give away trees the third
graders which has always been historically believe it or not an environmental commission kind of thing and the second one is we give away to the towns people Sher commission has done and there was a free program where we got Trea for nothing uh for 10 years
we didn't find out about it till about 60 years or something like that that we gave away the trees you know to to Residents and so on and so forth in conjunction with greenfest only two of those times okay and then uh the third graders
uh we used to pay for trees and then the state had a program to give trees to third graders for free that didn't didn't have last year and they're not doing that this year okay last year they did not even have enough
trees at the nursery to buy trees but I did but I did find a nursery South Jersey that had it's aell guy for seedlings and stuff and we back trees from him as it turns out
uh I was trying to do my annual report for Community forestry I couldn't figure out how much you know couldn't find any evidence but we paid for that right so it turns out when I finally got a hold of the guy about two two weeks ago uh it turns out we didn't pay for them so he
gave them to us because he want to put the town into his system and everything else you know but I would just as soon buy them as we need them from the state Nursery you know go through that kind
of I want I want to start a thing that this guy issues somehow okay so uh so at the first meeting we authorized money to buy seing 300 seedings that we gave out was the
someone was giving away trees even after the fact you know to Residents so we allocated money for that okay so the issue now would be because we want to order these things okay now for the school program we won't talk about when we're going to do the
tree giveaway for the other ones yet but for the tree program for the schools uh right after Easter Sunday is the week that has both Earth Day and ARB day in it so that would be the week to get stuff to give the schools the third
graders okay so according to Pat Sullivan um a Pat I yeah yeah we there are 217 third graders in oan although if they had some extra trees you know we go from there okay
then the hillo school which had has a bunch but they were got communicating with them they're not sure whether they they really got planted so she would just take some number of trees and they would do something thir at their school you know and they plant them on property and stuff like that and I always give
some to search day in sh school which they only 10 15 trees all they anyway okay so that leads us with two options we can order siblings various siblings or they've got two blings which they didn't have last year two BLS two BL two sings are
that okay so we can discuss that you know and of course I'm already assuming that you will P some money today so we can already treat the bill will come in later we have a budget for trees well
you have a budget okay oh I do have a budget now if the budget is doesn't include those trees okay then must talk today but in any case we want at least make some kind of decisions here today okay so um does the shap tree not have
budget for trees we allocated $600 for the other the trees all right how what what kind of money are we talking about okay so the seedings that we get from the I think
300 but somewhere if there's 217 students we talking maybe 275 trees we give a few extra to the town 225 and maybe 15 15 and 20 so it comes as about 275 trees okay how dollars just dollars
okay well let you calculate okay that would be uh let's see that's how many bundles is that two blink were 250 average that's 11 11 that's 11 bundles right so if if
we get them from the state Nursery that would be uh $440 $440 now Jack did not ask for money yet but historically Jack has also asked the EC to support greenfest to the tune
of about $500 plus our environmental commission dues which I'm assuming we paid back in January for about 500 so on our budget is what 1,200 I don't know yeah
so I can't take a vote to pay for something that I don't know if we have money to pay for so when is your drop dead date for ordering the trees well it all depends what we want to get because what we want the trees by okay this I don't want to order the
trees I don't want to the next meeting it's April already I anything I order okay so I want to place in order you know that makes some sense okay now the tuings uh those are those are we bu
shrubs okay the tubings actually cost more okay that's why I said that the to blings cost $75 a box for most of them and 30 in a box okay so that
puts 250 and for 2117 trees a 250 a tree 275 trees 27 that's 550 and 13750 72550 at
275 yeah that's yeah what Jack that um so like 700 bucks we they don't have to be conveni I mean sure so if you go with the other one it's the uh would be 40
time 44 440 that7 687 but let's run it up let's call it 700 right so get it to 450 if you just give sure pick which one we give seedings to to get we get all of them the same for
the school say so that's what that would so I can talk to Dave about doing it yeah reality KN that we're doing this okay we should have spoke spoken
up last year um so but our budget should be bigger sure and that's a conversation to have when they're putting together the budget like now but we don't have the pre-approved in the budget for this year
so we need to look and see after our our regular expenses are covered for how much is left and I don't think it's 440 bucks but we can we can check so again I I don't want to to authorize money that
we don't have to spend but I understand what you're saying about the cling so I'm not sure what you want to do because I don't know if we have that kind of money left over in the budget this year um I was always under the impression these were like
donor like when you gave out these trees like someone was donating them to to give out that you you know it wasn't part of a budget because now that I know that that's part of the budget how how many years have we been doing this giving out
trees for third graders four 40 40 okay do we have trees because 40 years you know we should have some big trees do you do you see where these trees have gone and see you know that they've been planted around town I can't say
except okay okay I mean that is more to know that Ken's backyard fin the D it would be more perspective I think for me knowing that you know somehow you know these third graders were like I'm a senior in high school now and this is
the tree that the shade tree gave me you know I just would like to see more you he correct I was did you get I do not recall I'm sorry to say you made an impression I'm sorry to say I can't I
can't say you how well we did I remember first or second time we did this man [Music] W paper towel all right so let's let's come to some sort of resolution on this you're nor you said you're going to talk to
Dave Brown I'll talk to Dave yeah so why don't we why why don't we do it like this why don't you talk to Dave Brown we'll figure out what we have left in the environmental commission budget for the
year and see that if we can accounting for our annual contribution to greenfest and everything else the balance of that we can move towards this but I I don't think it's going to cover the full amount is is where we're at so does
anyone else feel that that's a a good resolution to Dave me I think clean clean that's we used so unless you want to talk to Dave and then come back to us in in April and
ask so you can talk to Dave and and see about having the Town Front the money and the town doesn't have to until we get them which will be the end so let I'll talk today
see okay sure get so that being that these are what let's we're Tu these are what the TU are okay they have Atlantic white sear northern red
CH and they have yellowood but that of stock I saw have hls which problem so the two Ls and Bill Brooks tells me that more than Red O the state tree of
New Jersey has a kind of a some kind of a light or W leaf problem that means that's not goodis with chest Oaks someone else mentioned something about chest Oaks so white
oak okay which I think White Oak was the Salem Oak which I have two of them GR in my yard one of these days Salem Oak was a tree in Salem New Jersey that was here when a decoration
big famous huge famous tree that literally I think fell over a few years ago and they gathered up all these acorns that were from that tree that they distributed made seedlings from distributed from the state and that's from s because I feel like I've heard
this exact same story about a tree up in like Burnsville or vendum or one of them that layette in George Washington may be trees that we here all those but this Sal is the one that has its own website oh okay so you can go to Sal website
read about the tree there but it's B actually I got I got one they said you can get one then you had to go step out to the nursery to get a second okay and someone from
ewn my name said she want involv you know and she wanted to get plant tree and whatever West Long Branch whatever Town she's in and apparently there's so pathetic in that town and she's got this thing and they say we would no the most we would want to plant in town is one
tree so she had two ceilings so I went and got one that it's like totally ridiculous I have one that's about above out of the ground from the floor up it's about this FL and the other
that won't be with a certificate put so that said okay so we're going to get to of course unfortunately gigantic trees that is someone's problem 50 years from now MH someone else's problem
someone else's problem 50 years from now third graders will have to deal third right yeah yeah anyways okay so just so that's that's okay does anyone else have anything okay um March 18th if anyone is
especially uh bored there is a uh anjac fundamentals course on Master plans that I will be presenting on you want to come listen to me talk more I know Norm does Norm Norm looks forward to you get
to you get to my anyways all right do I have a motion to adjourn have a second all in favor I all right so I think we may have the away