Good. We're good. All right, everyone. Welcome to the October 9th >> um environmental commission meeting. Um roll call. Member Brennan >> here. >> Member Colton >> here. >> Member Godette >> here.
>> Member Janetti. Member Lutz >> here. >> Member Mammy. Alternate Baxi >> here. >> Alternate Affilia >> here. Statement of compliance with the open public meeting laws. The notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been
satisfied. A copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press and the poster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the township clerk on June 23rd, 2025. This meeting will be recorded and available on the township's YouTube channel. Alrighty. Um, did
everyone get a chance to look at the September 4th minutes that Donna emailed over to us? Any changes? Any questions? Do I have a motion to approve our meeting minutes from September 4th?
>> Mr. Lutz motion. Second. Normous. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. [Music] Um so presentations we do not um have any at this time obviously but we will
discuss we'll get deeper into green. >> Oh thank I need you to remind me of that. Thank you. No one ever be shy to to keep me in order. Um >> I have to take >> all in favor. I wasn't there.
>> I don't believe you were here. >> I was here last uh Thursday. We will dive deep into Saturday and update you guys about Greenfest and how it piggybacked off of Fall Fest and it was a great event. Um, but while we're on presentations, I do want to say I
think we have probably like two or three in the queue from people we've met on Saturday at FallFest Greenfest. So, good stuff. Um, I guess I could elaborate on it now. Um, one in particular, Renee. We
have a clean communities office here in town and she does presentations all the time. So, I'd love for us to connect with Renee, for her to come in for like 20 or 30 minutes and just present to us, see how we collaborate with her. She had a wonderful stand at the festival and I
just think we're we have the same alignment. So, um, Ed or Nancy, oh, I'm sorry, Ed, I know you came at the end. Angelie and Nancy, do you want to add? I know the gentleman to the right of us. >> Yes. So, the Latoral Society, they study fish and help her waterways. They're
very involved in the county, so he said absolutely. He'd be happy to. He lives in Wanamasa, so he's local, so he would be great. And then, um, Lynn from Stroke Your Eco, some of you might have heard of her. She does cleanups. She always helps with the De Lake Commission
cleanup around Deal Lake and uh so she's great to educate people on, you know, preventing plastic waste and how everything runs off into the watershed and then goes into the lake and the ocean and so forth. So she would be great too. And then there's a group
called Re and they educate residents on adding like wild native plants to your yard. basically make your yard kind of wild again and not just green grass and nothing else. So, um they could all be great options. Yes. For us.
>> Thanks for taking those notes and recapping because we met a lot of people on Saturday. So, >> um okay, items for discussion. I put under old business fireman's pond dredging. >> Um and do you want to update us on that? >> Sure. So, I learned something very
interesting this week. They had been trying to dewater a fireman's pond. It was supposed to take three days, but it turns out that the schloo gate in the the dam stopped working at some point in the past. And in order to fix it, they
just built a wall behind it. So, the pond has essentially not been working the way that it was originally set up to work. All the water that's been draining has been draining out of the emergency overflow pipe, which also explains why it flooded so badly when we had that that awful rainstorm a couple years ago.
You might remember the fireman's pond flooded all out onto the roads around it. Water was going over the road. Um, and that's because the actual drain hasn't worked in decades at least. Um, they also discovered that that the dam portion of
the pond was built at some point in the 1800s based on some of the the markings on the metal that they found as they were draining it. So, um, John Ro and I have been going back and forth on what this is for years, whether it was a pond or detention basin. I'm going to guess we're both wrong and it was probably
some sort of farm pond at some point many, many years ago. Um, so it's proceeding along. They're dredging it and the project will be done in the very near future. But if you haven't been out there, check it out. It's It's pretty cool. It's almost
>> It's almost dewatered, but we'll see what happens this weekend. >> Yeah. What was the What's >> the skate? >> Huh? >> No. >> No. >> Will eventually. >> No, you'll have to. >> Yeah. I think we're actually looking at
some apparatus to figure out how to >> So there's So think about the wall, right? There's the emergency overflow pipe here, which is what's been draining the pond and below it near the bottom was a gate. The gate doesn't work anymore. So they just put a wall behind
it and stopped having the wall. >> How long is the wall working correct? What would happen if it would have worked correct? If you've got a major rate rain event predicted, you can open it a little bit lower and >> prevent what's wrong with having something
>> nothing that's not in the budget. >> But there's no plan. Is there any plan to possibly do that? >> Not that I've heard what's going to happen. We get another rain event going to tell the people I don't think you got to extrapolate.
I think I think they just found it and now they're trying to figure out about filtering the water. Right. That's one, right? About how to take that how to >> Yeah. They just put a pump in it. And uh and then how to rectify that so that it doesn't have to be, you know, looked at
for 25 years. It doesn't have to be built. So it's very it is fresh. >> Yeah. This is not >> the plan to dredge the pond was based on the pipe. that is the emergency overflow being the way that the the pond was drained. So the whole dredging project,
>> it didn't matter what the the gate at the bottom was doing because that wasn't part of their plan. Now that they found the gate and they realized why it wasn't working, now they can possibly do something else in the future, but that wasn't part of any plan here. They weren't depending on that situation
because this is this is theoretically temporary even if it's temporary maybe 25 years solution. >> Well, you can't ignore you can't ignore the situation. You have to do something about >> sure eventually but >> you have to do something. >> That has nothing to do with the dredging and the dredging schedule and and moving
the >> material. So, >> thank you for the update. >> Empty. It looks good with because they cleared a lot of >> rain. It's very open now. >> Oh, yeah. Good.
>> No odor, right? >> No odors. >> Not that I'm >> not that I Listen, my son's bus stop is right next to it this year and if there were odors, I would have heard about it. So, we don't know. >> Maybe that'll >> Well, um, with all the tree, not that a
lot of trees came down, but they cleared it up a lot. Well, we have access kind of like for fishing into this area. >> Yeah, that's the plan. The plan is to to kind of maintain access to the pond so that residents can use it. Um, it was overgrown. There's a lot of poison ivy in there.
>> That's what they cleaned out. >> Yeah, they cleaned out brush and and waste, you know. Yeah. >> Stuff that had just accumulated over years that they hadn't cleaned out. Do you think we can somehow get on um the fountains that you see in Allenhurst um
Sunset Lake? >> That's the plan that they were going to put one of those in there for aation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Which serve that great purpose and it would look beautiful. >> So is that part of this plan with the dredging? >> Yeah. >> Wow. I'm excited to see.
>> Who's going to keep track of >> Wow, that lake like lit up on Wikiped. It's going to look nice. does tend to come back. >> It does tend to come back, but it was actually my understanding was the fire department volunteers are the ones who cleaned it out. So,
>> good for them. >> Thank you to them. >> Yeah. >> Um, okay, great. That's a great motion. >> Love to see things getting done. Um, moving on to new business. Um, jumping right into plan review. Do we have any
pending plans this evening? >> No, I I never did respond. 10 comments in on the firehouse look so bad and I think some little code but usually she calls me when there's new plans in the box because I
don't get to tell >> All right. >> But uh maybe but do you go and check the environmental commissioner box? >> I never do but I certainly can. >> While you're at it, >> I'm here all the time right here. >> You check my accounts and they'll give you a list.
>> Yeah, I certainly can. if there's ever like pending plans or anything. >> I'll go on the call and find if there are any sent me an email. >> Okay, perfect. Um, jumping over to planning board update, Ed. Um, this past
meeting, >> this past meeting, we just had a area and needed redevelopment study for this building, um, this parcel building um that we passed that we found it to be an area needed redevelopment. go back to the council to figure out what you all
want to do with it. >> Yeah. Just >> and um zoning board, I just know that they had a special meeting um the night that we had our planning board meeting. If again those meetings are on YouTube, so if anyone wants to familiarize yourselves with that, do
>> you know why there was a special meeting? >> Um I guess it just got pushed over from the previous Thursday. Yes, >> sort of. They they didn't have forum. >> Oh, they didn't have >> they didn't have quorum. So, they had >> then just goes to just make sure
everybody's aware. I just saw in our ocean newsletter there's a referendum uh question about I guess. >> Yes. Does anyone know more about that explains opinions? We have a councilman right here
>> while you know the road in a couple minutes >> and then you may go and then >> No, it's it I think it really I think it really comes down to just one easy concept is that there isn't a ton of things on the docket for the planning
board. That's one, right? And that the zoning board has a lot of things on the docket. And so the concept that uh and Colleen was promoting was the idea that we would have a larger zoning board. We figure out if we could have maybe two
meetings a month and figure out how to get rid of the backlog of what we have going on and also probably the anticipated. >> Yeah. >> So u we we talked about it uh quite a bit. Ed was uh you know we spoke to Ed about >> our chairman of the
conversation about it. That's kind of where the um the administration wanted to kind of end up was to be able to increase the size of the board have two meet start maybe start going to two meetings a month and uh deal with the
backlog that we have and then also the agenda for planning board topics little little I don't know if you think that's true or not but that's what was >> I think it was just unfortunate that's sprung on the voters this way without
any discussion or public notice just appears on the ballot. What's this and why? >> Right. Well, just to be just to be clear, the voting yes for it doesn't necessarily mean that it actually occurs. Right. >> I understand, but people are not even
informed about the pros and cons. They just see it on the ballot. >> Isn't there usually an explanatory note on a ballot? >> Yes. Yeah, but can't they put in that information as much?
>> Yeah, I I don't think I don't think um there's what the what it says and why different it says it, right? I think that why it says it probably right why we suggested it or wanted the ballot
was for that reason. >> All right. Well, that sounds about it or you know love to hear them if you want to share them. >> Just seems to me that the planning function itself is very much different than deciding on specific zoning issues.
>> Um I would not necessarily disagree with that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But I I but it's um you know uh people who are on the planning board probably and the zoning board still have same similar qualifications to be on the planning board. It's not. And then if
the if if we were um seeing something that required, you know, certain people to that we want to be on the planning board, something that was a bigger thing to evaluate, right? Then we then whoever was, you know, running or the zoning board was
being run, they could figure out beyond that at that time. So I don't think it includes having, you know, tailoring people for certain things. I don't think includes that. >> So, are you envisioning like a planning committee like subcommittee?
>> I don't think we're planning that. I mean, that first of all, that's not I'm not I haven't got into the the specific that logic. Should the shade tree environmental commissions be combined? >> Um, I don't know if I don't know if that
I don't know if I want to. >> No. And I'll say tell you why, Ken. Because statutoily they're they're >> separate. But now by if my memory serves me right, planning board has by statute has
certain authority and the zoning board has other authorities. They're allowed to issue different variances or different exceptions. So if you put the two together, how do you know I don't know if that's
>> No, that's true. So the short version of it is when you have a hybrid board You don't it's a hybrid board for our parliament but in terms of actual statute if you go back to the municipal land use law it's a planning board with
zoning authority right it's still a combined board you can call whatever you want but by statute is a planning board with zoning authority and it changes some of the dynamics of the board so instead of having a nineperson board with two alternates or a sevenerson zoning board with four alternates you
have a nineperson board four alternates Because to your point, an applicant can always ask for a full board vote for the zoning board where they need all seven members. They need seven votes in order for a project to be approved or denied. That is an applicant's right. So, they
have to make allowances for that. However, zoning boards specifically and intentionally exclude elected officials or other government entities from being part of their board. So when a zoning application is heard by a combined board, the class one, the mayor or his
designate and the class three, which should be the council rep are not allowed to vote. They have to step down off the days. So then it goes back to a planning or to a zoning board with it's still an expanded zoning board because they have the extra alternates. But yes, so yeah, there is a whole lot
of wonk when you get into the logistics of trying to move the different members and classifications and the different variances for who's here and what and how. But that's part of what the statute allows. And it really started with towns that didn't have enough population to
fill two full boards. Um, and over the years it's expanded. >> Great. >> That makes a lot more sense. I mean I go back without disrespecting >> to know he's much more I mean I was the chairman at one point but he's he know
he know I mean >> my head go >> you're asking me more the rationale why we were doing it more with that ration >> growing up in Massachusetts the the function of the boards are slightly different sat on the what they called the zoning
board of appeals >> at that point in time which to me was These are the people that need exceptions or ownorous maybe honorous exceptions to what actually exists within the law
within the race. >> Handle that. >> But I think I think the other part is that you know what we really do need is u you know more people to volunteer beyond whatever boards we have right that will be in attendance.
participate. >> I'm thinking really hard to say what I want to say here. >> I don't think it's necessarily more. I think it is >> more more availability. That is a much
better word for availability. As as we talked about, there was a zoning board meeting that had to be cancelled. So >> yeah, >> availability is we did have we did have a planning board a meeting once that was cancelled I believe when I was on it.
>> Yeah, I think we had one. >> We had one but that was from a miscommunication. >> All right, that was a great discussion. Thanks for that. >> Yes, very informative. >> Um let's jump into green team report.
>> You want me to give an overview? Yes, the festival was fabulous. Um, for anybody who attended, it was a great turnout and I think it worked really well having the green fest within the fall fest. Um, but we'll have to talk further, I guess, with Jen and
recreation because, um, I think she'll have some concerns about having it like that again and like not charging people and I think it's a lot of extra work for her to do. So, but um, it worked out great. This year we had about 20 or so
vendors, maybe a couple less, I forget. Um, and um, yeah, I think it was a good turnout. Now, most of the families and kids, they were definitely by the trucks and and the fire engine ride and all that, but I think we had a good amount of people who visited and um, we did a
wheel that Anelie brought, which was very cool, and gave out prizes. So they'd spin the wheel and if they won on uh seeds, mom's Julie bought and uh >> utensil. >> Utensil kit. >> Yeah. And some people had actually
inquired. They're like, "Where can I buy these?" >> Yeah. Same. So Wayside PTA, right? So >> yeah, I told a few people that's to where to check it out. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we can get the link and put it on our website for the utensils. >> What's that electronic backpack where you can send great notices? Maybe that
again too because I think each year maybe there's going to be some families that are like, "Yeah, you know, I really got to do this." >> Do you know what overhead they have of that >> of the um the utensils? I know you said like they bought >> Oh, yeah. >> Like a lot.
>> They How many left inventory? I can ask. >> Yeah. Find out. I mean >> I mean we could help them in a lot of then their um >> you know it would all be a donation to the >> Yeah, of course. Of course. >> I mean we can market it, I guess. >> Yeah.
>> Sure, I can talk to them about it. >> Even if a few families start adopting it and then their kids tell their friends and they're like, "Oh, that's cool. I want that, too." And maybe it'll take off. So, the kids really love that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, but I think it was
really successful and uh I don't know anything. >> I think the CPW touch a truck was so cool and kids were, you know, in the trucks honking the horns. That was really neat that they do that. Yeah, >> I thought it was great. >> I was glad that we I was glad that we
picked you back 12 fast and >> thank you for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. But um I think it I think I was talking with Jenny afterwards. >> Yeah. >> And we probably will have to have people pay some. It really isn't that much to pay, right? >> Well, the problem is the nonprofits will probably not pay. They will not attend
if they have to pay. >> So, especially the smaller groups where it's just like a one or two person group. Um I don't think they would attend. >> $30. >> Okay. Well, maybe we can work something out because um then we were some people were saying they would like sponsor
tables. >> So, you know, maybe we'll have to see. >> Yeah, >> we'll have to meet very soon for next year's festival. >> Um but um but yeah, this year was great and the weather was great. >> Yeah. But I thank you both for all the work that you did. It was really
>> good deep. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was really great. >> Yeah, worked out well. And hopefully we'll get um what we're looking at this to make sure it tests for the sustainability. >> Yeah, we had a lot of um things that
were sustainability jersey friendly, should I say, and we took pictures. So, Donna, I'll share them with you. Um we actually will plan to meet with Nicole. Maybe you can meet with me, too, just to go over with her. you know, we just want
to make sure um well, green team report is and the green team is separate than us, you know, we want to make sure we're doing what we need to there to keep our sustainable jersey certificate up to date and whatnot. And Green Fest was such success that, you know, we'll use
some of that to support. >> How would we know if that was acceptable? >> I guess when we talk to Nicole, we'll find out. Yeah. But we'll definitely get on a good page with that. Um, yeah, and
thank you Nancy for all your work. Um, okay. Community outreach, volunteer collaborations. I guess just being at Greenfest also, we spoke with a lot of people and the ideas we want to do in town. So, I'll keep that on here because we did get some. Do you have that
signing sheet? >> I didn't bring it with me tonight, but there's a few on there. >> There's a few people who show interest. We don't know how interested they were in helping with us. They said they wanted to be involved, but we didn't really I don't know if anyone talked to at length about what they would want to do.
>> Um, but we had a list of things that we were interested in doing and, you know, more native gardens and pollinator gardens, rain gardens. Um, maybe doing a walk around your lake, like a nature walk. Tell them about the spooky tour. >> Oh, I would love to do Okay, so back by
human services, you ever walk in the path behind there? It's pretty spooky. Right. I mean, some of the vines are growing all twisty and everybody are scary. I >> So, we thought, how cool would it be for next year to do a walk through there sponsored by the Environmental
Commission. Yeah. And maybe we can even have some little decorations in there, some lights in the trees, and just do a guided walk through there. Maybe someone can tell a little spooky story. Just a fun thing to do for the community. So, and it could be an environmental commission event.
>> Yeah. But I walked through there the other night. I was like, "It's really >> some of these natural ticks are >> Yeah, that's why it's >> Yeah, back here it's all unpaved. It's just a paved black, you know, pave. It's
a nice Oh, yeah. You should go. It's It's >> I would say, what would you say? It's like one football loop. That one. It's small. >> Oh, it's Yeah, it's really >> Yeah. But I think that is a brilliant idea. And again, we have to start planning and things like this for next year now, obviously. So,
>> I saw I believe it was I thought saw through something maybe in Rumson, someone in that peninsula area, one of the towns are doing that as well. >> I'll have to, you know, >> there's a place in um in Farmingdale they do in their downtown. They have a little tiny park and it's literally
like, you know, 200 feet or something, but they light it up for Halloween and they do it again for Christmas and it's just a cute little path through the woods. Um, and it's kind of like an idea like that and I think it's sponsored through a town group. Yeah. I don't know who actually does it. >> That's great. Community engagement.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Right, Madam Chair. Community engagement. Um, not sure. I think some of you saw that there is a complete streets group that has formed in town um and they are interested in trying to do
complete streets in all of ocean and that is one it's a lot of points for sustainable jersey um and two it is absolutely something that the environmental commission should be involved with as it's uh
>> we talk about so the third Tuesday of every month >> third Tuesday of every month >> 5:30 30. >> Would they be willing? >> So, this upcoming Tuesday, >> would they be willing to come in? >> Is it this upcoming Tuesday or it's the third Tuesday of every month? I think >> I think that's next. Yeah, because the
next Tuesday. >> This month started early. It started on a Tuesday. >> So, the 14th >> Got a lot on the 14th already, but I'm marking my calendar. >> 5:30. >> Yeah, I think I think the is starting more >> presentation.
Sorry. [Music] >> The meetings are in this room. >> Meetings are in this room. >> No, they met in the manager's conference room. >> I've never heard of
>> I don't I don't know. >> So, Angelie just brought up a great point. Um, is Mora in charge of Complete the Streets if we invited her to >> Mora is the lead person. Okay. Maybe she'd like to be a presenter for one of our EC meetings.
>> Yeah. Because were you gentlemen familiar with Complete the Streets before just now? >> Yes. >> You Oh, see. Okay, perfect. Um, so Ed, could you elaborate? >> Sure. So complete streets is essentially taking a look at your your street
infrastructure in a town and saying instead of just getting cars from point A to point B, how do we make the streets that take up so much space everywhere, how do we make them safer cars, pedestrians, bicyclists, the environment, storm water, all of that.
How do we make our streets work for all parts of a community, not just for cars? So, a lot of it focuses on walkability. That seems to be the obvious one. So, sidewalks and bike lanes and and completing sidewalks. So, you're not going from the sidewalk to walking in
the middle of the street and back to a sidewalk. How do you do that? But also, how do you connect communities in a town, right? How and Ocean is a great example of this. How do you walk from Wayside to Wanessa? You don't or you
die. Um, slight exaggeration, not a lot. Crossing 35 is hard. There's only so many places to do it, but it's taking a holistic view of an entire community in all its streets and figuring out how to facilitate modes of transportation
across all choices, including ebikes, which it's a whole other thing, but also trees, right? How are we going to put more trees in the community? How are we going to deal with storm water? All of those pieces go together to come up with a complete street, not just a street for
cars. And that's what the policy is. So they're interested in is starting to want to mass because there there's folks on the south side of sunset who want to be able to walk to want to mass school because they should be able to. It's what five blocks, six blocks,
but they can't because cars are speeding down the sunset all the time. It's very challenging for them to cross and it's very challenging to cross Wikipo in certain places. So, how do we make the community safer to cross >> happily? >> Yes.
>> Yeah. So, it's it's taking a look at at all of those things and it's a lot of walkability, but also other modes of transportation. That's the the short version. >> I think they push to get the speed sign out on sunset. >> Yeah, I saw that.
>> Well, I think it all started >> started with it started Well, it started with speeding, not speeding. It started with that Asbury has their um Sunset Avenues at 25 miles an hour. >> All of their streets are now 25 miles.
>> I think just when this came to us, right? >> Memorial Drive. >> And so, >> I think this road is 35 miles. >> Yes. >> So, sunset sunset. So the other part to that was that you know you get kids
crossing the street with the bicles cross the street you know um parents with you know strollers and stuff how they get across the street and you know even when you're on a walk in a walkway that's a designated walkway
unless you're in Long Beach people don't know that they're supposed to stop right they just you know they just keep going right so so there's there's some things that we have to work on I think uh Greg Blash is talking uh some of the signage to do and crosswalks.
>> A lot of stuff a lot of surroundings. So that that's what started I think is I don't know if it started was in unison with it. I'm not sure but that then it kind of blossomed into the street. >> Yeah. It's it's they're kind of the >> Yeah. They were Yeah. >> Yeah. I think when they started looking
>> well the neighborhood has been pushing for speed reductions and some sort of a control. Yeah, >> because of the cut through. Cut through on Apple B is ridiculous coming up from Aspbury and the And if
you time it right, you can play the game and and miss two traffic lights and be in the mall. >> Yeah. >> Or what was the mall? >> Yeah. I mean, but speed people speed around. I was I was walking with uh Caitlyn Dam on Sunset and she had her she had the stroller with her her kid her kid in it, her daughter. I was on
the other side to it and cars was zipping by and I was a little bit like man I better not I better not trip >> campaign's over trip but it was really they were really zipping by and u has to be some things that
>> I was in New Jersey 35 means 40 >> yes that's the well that's the you know >> well typical if you go into the police typical enforcement they're going to allow you to five and you almost have to 10 before they're going to stop you and write you back for
the >> Yeah, I think yeah I'm not sure how it's all going to work because you know one thing that does one thing that is valuable to us is that >> you know Asbury is a 25 so it is a leader into this so it feeds into it so it also feeds in the other direction
right so you don't have you know people don't slow down so it might help us in the congruency >> and how many major accidents we had coming from across the bridge and on that end of sunset There's been several at least one a year
>> to Asbury kind of a >> people come flying across the bridge and miss the turn. >> Yeah. >> It's a weird >> So yeah, but here's one of the things that I learned from that meeting which absolutely blew my mind. There's the one house that has that bright red fence.
It's red and white. I always mistakenly just assume that they were really big Ocean Township High School fans. They're not sad. So the cars would see it and would slow down because apparently they had a couple cars but on their lawn. >> There was one within the last two or
three months. >> Yeah. So that's why that fence is the very bright color that it is. >> Maybe they're both maybe just like if you go to the end of Apple at
>> that house, you notice they have several extremely large rocks in the front yard. >> Oh, okay. Guess what? >> Because they're at the end of the tea and you're >> need them in the intersection.
>> So, I would suggest we get the >> Yes. Yeah. At the next meeting, >> November 6th meeting. >> I would text her, Donna. I would coordinate that with her. >> I have her information. I would ask her her availability because New Jersey
schools are closed on the 6th and 7th. Oh, over there. >> Do we have a meeting that day for teachers convention? >> I believe we do. Okay. >> Yeah, we do. >> Yeah. So, so I'm just saying like she because having younger children, she may she may be going somewhere.
>> Yeah, sure. People go on vacation. >> Good point. Okay. >> Yeah. I wrote down November 6 and I'll inquire with Mora and um I would like to get more presenters in here. So, I think I'm gonna back up with Renee as a possibility if more can't, but we'll start getting some people in here.
>> Yeah. >> You know, okay. Um, thank you for adding that, Ed, that complete the streets very important. So, that's perfect point. And, um, I think just to wrap up this meeting, um, quick update on the
stakeholder meeting that we had that was after complete the streets. It was what, September 16th. It was a Tuesday evening downstairs. Um, we met with Ted, the arborist, who's helping us with our community management forestry plan.
>> Um, we had a lot of members of the community come out and it was great discussion and we all got to basically vote on our f or what to us was most important. Um, I don't remember those
four items. It was like I just got I actually just got the list of what The email came in >> safety. >> Tree quality, right? So that was like my tree preservation. That was my number one. >> Yeah, that was mine, too.
>> Yeah. >> Yes, >> it was fixed. >> But it was a great meeting. Both of you were there. So, thank you for attending. Um, I think it was great because people actually did come out that were interested and we were able to say we'll come to this meeting and
>> that's the interesting part. We had all the people who we considered stakeholders that public did have people from the public did not show up, you know, >> and we don't know how many people saw it online. And I sent out personal emails to people who like so you know that
survey that went out for the shade tree commission some people left their emails for future you know contact and I actually emailed them all saying you're invited today and you're also invited to watch and give your input too. >> Was it recorded? >> Thank you for doing that. >> Was it recorded and posted?
>> I believe I believe so because I know people watch from home >> and it was supposed to be posted but I don't know. >> Yeah, I'll go on YouTube Ocean TV and see. I'm sure >> you probably if it if it was and we didn't promote it and publish promoted it
>> which we still have time to do. We could still do it. >> The final um I think the first draft is it due till the 27th. >> Yeah. October 27th he's promised the first draft. >> Yeah, >> he's promised that to us. >> And then so Patty is looking the week of
November 10th have a follow-up meeting. >> Okay. In other words, publish put the first draft out there for everybody to look at >> and have a follow-up meeting and comment on the draft itself. >> Okay,
>> it's still progress. >> Thanks for that. Okay. >> Yeah, we might have something by the end of the year. >> Hope so. >> We have to I didn't I actually when I looked at Patty for it, it actually did not have to be done. I don't think by
Yeah, they were I don't know if there's any um >> because because the in real here's the really funny way they do this. This the first year of the plan is the year we're in. So when you wait when you get it done by December 31st, you actually
already have completed the first year when you didn't even have a plan that covered the first year. >> So would it make sense to put it in January one? >> That's that's what they the state does. That's what the DP has the plan. >> So on the 31st really running around
that we had actually published it. It said this is from years X to Y. Okay. X and Y were wrong. It was like from the next year to the next year but in reality it was supposed to be that year but it sort of is. But however if you
really were doing this You know, it's really supposed to just be what your new goals are, right? And so we should have had goals. Like for example, one of our goals should be to complete the tree at some point and so and the idea is you put and one of the things that was in
and then what you're doing for maintenance of trees and so on so forth. So one of the things to build tables for which if you look at the which we also distributed the report from Davy tree that was the inventory that we did have and they took a look just looking at that they looked at the numbers of what
you should be spending on taking out bad trees based on how many trees are bad and then what you should do next and so on and so they're large amounts of numbers large amounts of dollars. I want to tell you, you know, I'm expecting when you look at this draft that there is an enormous amount of red line that you bring back.
I'm gonna be very disappointed if there's more black. >> Usually I don't get cast. >> Oh, you mean like you stop yourself like this? >> No, no, no. I just just works out sometimes.
>> He just >> What' you say? Sometimes >> All right. Well, thank you. Um, does anyone want to add anything? >> Do we have any public comments?
Do I have a motion to end this evening's meeting? >> Uh, God Colton >> and we all vote to leave. I >> I >> I'm gonna get the hang of it.