all right let's let's call this meeting to order uh let's do a roll call remember Colton here remember godette here remember janetti here remember Lutz here remember Brandon here m m here
alternative alternative alternate seron here alternate baxi here my goodness is it the First full EC that we've had in like month [Music] quiet this is not your meeting nor sorry
um all right St February it should be February I'm sorry I'm sorry all right statement of compliance to the open public meetings law the notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied a copy of the annual notice
was sent to the Asbury Park PR the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the township CLK on June 28th 2024 all right welcome we have record oh and this meeting is being recorded for later viewing on the
township of oceans YouTube channel if you really want to watch it it is there are you they're really bad they're not good only I hav I mean I hear people go back and watch the planning board meetings because you know they just can't get
enough of me but just not do as well all right uh anys all right old business uh our EC website no updates no updates our storm water
ordinance there's I don't think there's an update other than the town how to comply with the new state right but I think that was a couple months ago so it's rolling along um Brookside
project Mary any updates Mary okay well we can come back to Mary um Community energy plan so at our last meeting we discussed that the community energy plan Grant we received and that they were having regular
meetings on I think it was Tuesday or Wednesdays at 10 a.m. that I could not attend and that once the next meeting got out we had some volunteers who would go to those meetings to represent the environmental commission and I'm very sad to tell you that there have been no meetings since
then um there will be in the near future there were some Hang-Ups in how the money was getting gold out and the state was not paying the town and the town was not interested in doing work they weren't getting paid for so no meetings um but apparently allegedly
the funding the issue has been resolved and the town will down be getting the money so the meetings will continue and then once they are I will share the information and folks can go so we're just hanging out but it's not just us it's not an ocean thing it is in everyone it's a state thing so you let
us know when the meetings are yes yes once they are rescheduled um but they haven't been scheduled um recycling contest so last we left our discussion on the recycling contest there were going to be some external
meetings to be had with some volunteers and as I understand it those meetings have not yet occurred so Donna you asked to be fired a minute ago I um I have a better punishment in
mind I would like to propose to this body that we have a special meeting in the environmental commission a workshop meeting just to finish the contest we need to get it done and we need to have had some of these discussions didn't get done and and I understand everyone's
been sick there's been a lot going on um with with the end of the year and just January that never seem to end um so I'd like to propose a special meeting um to get this done um towards the end of February if that works for folks do we
do we want to check our calendars now now and find some dates that could work um this is going to be Workshop meeting so Donna I would like you there but if I memory serves for a workshop it is not
100% explicitly required uh nor you when we were doing the workshops last time we didn't have to do that yeah so um yeah so let's look at some dates when is a workshop meeting I don't
[Music] remember I don't know that we put anything honest on it at our next meeting right I know that we had to to make it public like we had a notice for it but well thank you Donna for the uh the
copy of the aclu's brief on the Sunshine Law here in New Jersey um I know that we have to notice it I don't know um matter arises do the cancel publish minutes of
their workshop yes they do um why don't we pick the date yeah yeah let's good call two weeks so what is that the
20th I propose 6 p.m yeah we we can do it earlier we can we do not have to wait till 8:00 p.m. we can do it at another time um we we could we can be very flexible on this I assume that evenings work best for
everyone yeah six 6: pm seem to be a anything but I won't I won't be able to be there that day but if that works for well we can what a I mean we got the 19th we got the 20th we have the 24th 25th
I mean anytime that next week looks open does anyone have any other dates that really don't work because if that is the only date that's not working right now we can definitely move it 26 all right what about the what
about um the 25th the 19th or the 25th that gives us enough time to have some meetings but go get it done either one's
time either 25th 25th going once going twice all right Donna at 6 6 PM uh location to be determined based on what's available somewhere in the town hall complex it may not be this room it may be downstairs it may be in the
manager's meeting room um I prefer not we met in the kitchen that one time you remember that that that was not that did not work that that was a bad meeting um someone's old pizza was there that was yeah um
okay p.m 6 pm on the 25th location to be determined Donna will send out the information and Donna I will we'll talk with um Jesse and if and figure out um
if you need me I always need you there Donna what would I do without you you keep these running for me I barely okay um an hour yeah we'll start with an hour um all right
six okay so uh Donna would it be oh Mary are you there can you give us an update on Brookside I can't I I can't hear you I don't have any sound and she's not muted hold on we can't hear you Mary you're
not muted no it's on our end there she is now she is I just wait a minute wait wait no come on she's unmuted no you can't hear you you can hear us yeah
okay nothing no updates typ can you chat with her can you yeah first before we try to figure out how to get you up and running do you have anything to report yes do do you have anything to report if you could speak you want to chat with her to send
her a chat ask her if she can get all in oh can you what is the number to call in hold on we're an old school sorry not a skill I learned maybe if you send her a message she'll chat back I'm trying to do that right now no she's
not give her the phone number she's got her phone handy calls work pretty good 8675309 all right some people got that can you type can you type in the chat Mary type a message in the
chat I don't know how to do that I can see that from here you touch the screen it'll bring up maybe go all Mary do you want to just call my cell phone you have my cell phone right call my cell phone okay I would have shut my laptop now
yeah I would have lost it all right so I I don't know Mary um what our do you want can you send an email to Donna and then we can read it out is that an option it's not the best option but that
is that we what we'll go for we go to do okay all right so Mary while you do that we do have a piece of new business that came in today speaking of emails um and I'm going to read this one to you all because there is not
something that I have encountered yet um it is an email from I'm going to bot those last name and I already apologize so carara gribok and Chris Chambers um they
wrotes uh they are residents of the township ofo of 247 Howard AV and they would like to bring to our attention the environmental commissions with serious environmental concern we have been experienced caused by house renovations in our neighborhood uh here's the problem as exemplified by the
renovations of a house directly across the street for mons uh in a similar process down the street both original houses were completely demolished above ground level and new builds implemented the houses Advanced through the rebuild over the last six months the house is
currently in the process of installing eifs sighting and synthetic stucco on the exterior which huh IUS I don't installation finish
Jackson uh we are horrified V A particulate polystyrene particles that are dispersed to the air and end up on multiple nearby properties when the workers R rasp the styrofoam panels it has literally been like a snowstorm at times with Airborne
particles settling in our yard on our neighboring yards on our cars and along the curve our property back up to whale Pond Brook south of M University much of the styrofoam debris of course washes down the storm drain thereby polluting the brook which dumps into the ocean mile Downstream the builders have stated
to us that they see this as a solution to the problem due to the non-biodegradable nature of polystyrene it is unacceptable as the styrofoam mess will sit definitely in our yard Gardens and soil and we fear it will become a persistent contaminant negatively affecting aquatic organisms in the brook
and further Downstream a week ago we spoke with the general contractor to bring our concern to his attention he said he'd speak to his stucco installer but again yesterday we experienced a snowstorm of Styrofoam coming at our house we call the construction company to complain
um generally continues of the steps that they have taken to recourse it um they get to that that's why I'm reading all of this to you we've been searching online about these concerns to learn of efforts to control it in some parts of the country contractors are
required to use measures to contain these Les as much as possible several methods are available the first method applies a temporary netting barrier around the home during IIs look I'm learning Jack installation the second method uses the rasping tool to to which a specialized vacuum is attached um
they've included links to some of these a third and even better solution require that Builders use a pre-fabricated wall system which would not require any on-site rasping in neighborhoods Mammoth Beach successfully passed a plastic dust ordinance that contractors must follow to reduce construction waste although it
doesn't explicitly state that it includes styrofoam debris it mentions debris from cutting PVC TRS and vile sighting but surely this type of ordinance could easily be written to include styrofoam particles which are probably even more of a concern due to the fact that particles easily become
airborne we'd like to know if the environmental commission is aware of this issue I wasn't uh and if there are any efforts to control the nonbiodegradable waste that results from ifas instulation process it's very clear when driving around town that this type of stco finish seems to be the common
sighting use on many new homes I hope that this Township of ocean will advocate for safer construction practices to help keep our neighborhoods clean healthy and safe for everyone any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated anyone know anything about
this and I'm gonna ask Jack do so um so the reason IUS is extremely popular is because there is a requirement in the building code that you have to have exterior installation continuous around the house because of the thermal bridging of the studs of the wood studs
and the framing where there's no where where there's no like fluffy insulation W um so I is a way to knock out two birds with one stone you could put the styrofoam panels up which gives you that insulating value and then you can put a
finish on it which is the Stucker coat um so there are other methods of achieving that with other forms of finishes like vinyl sighting or you know
wood planks or fiber cement or whatever but um as far as IIs systems generally they always use that um styrofoam EPS yeah but I bet there other towns and
other people I've seen people put stuff up everywhere it's every every time they use that system that's what they do they rasp it with this tool and it creates all these like little foam dots or articles and it in the wind
there are tools that they can use to do it right they could cut they could cut these pieces you have to cut them after they're installed this it's not it's not for cut dep they're breaking down the Finish on the front so they can put a stucko on top so the stucko aderes to
the to the phone I got you right right right so you're telling me that no company would manufactur things without that well the solution would be to have the manufacturers create a rough surface
orig initially you don't have to bet this places that people are doing that and they don't want to pay the extra because I don't know of anything because it's got to be like this all over the country someone's got have made this illegal the fellow headed up in M the group that I'm in
Brian Thompson does anyone remember him from Chann 4 he always did all the local stories anyway he's retired now he's heading that project up in Mammoth Beach so he's the one who got the ordinance pass there so he's working on getting this in other towns where every
contractor would be forced to contain and not have it go flying around so it is like a newer project that a lot of groups are working on it sounds like they should have a county yeah or Statewide yeah but they try to start small per towns our own
experience that that um most of the state laws are passed after a lot of local laws I think we to go for the teach's ordinance and this isn't covered already in our Green Building any of our Green Building ordinances we
pass for sustainable Jersey no and uh we did really pass I think we passed the resolution but not really necessarily this stuff is for unsustainable Jersey no it actually is for sustainable Jersey
because you're making a house tighter more efficient and more efficient because you're the well that actually that's like that's that's just a building code now it's not even right but but but it does make the house more
efficient sure rasping it off and creating the particles is a byproduct of that technology it's because of the it's because of the Finish they decide to use because it's much less expensive to just put put some stco on to try to put
anything well if they if they wanted to go to another finish they'd have to put wood wood slats to to create an air gap and then they have to put the siding on over it so that's well that use 2x6 PL and stag STS they could do that but
nobody no contractor wants to do any of that they're like anything that they want to be as close to what they used to do 10 10 to 20 years ago as they can all right so is this something that
we think is worth investigating a little bit more yeah it's a nightmare I'm seeing some nodding I agree um so do you want to invite Brian Thompson to come to our next meeting I was gonna say I can see where they did a presentation somebody else did at our last meeting
like three months ago and um so let me see who did that and if it's something that they're willing to come out and first of all first of all I think this is something that should not just come to our meeting we should we should invite council members
to that meeting go to go to a council meeting with these people of course the next step is going to be six months from now when the council some says oh you didn't tell us about um yes which actually reminds me not reminds me but jumping ahead
um our Council aison resigned from Council so we do not currently have a council aison um Jeff hasn't been sworn in yet has he or I thought he was sworn in on play
day Monday Monday maybe I didn't know I don't know wases anyone to play a day okay anyways we have a new council member Jeff Weinstein who was the uh who was on the board of education and planning board which I guess he is
on neither now because he's now on Council um so um I know that last time I spoke to the mayor he said that he would figure out new liaison once all that settled so uh I don't know but that's a good I do nor I I'm this thing is the
kind of thing that every day this is going to happen again somewhere in town okay so week for sure going to be and I think it doesn't take a bunch of meetings with someone from some other
Town other than to find out what the ordinance says we just ask for what it says to B the system then all right so the trick is to get this somehow evaluated and and put something done about it right away these guys they
they're just scrubbing away so I have a question about this so is it for new construction or is it like or you know complete like gut job or is it just like you're taking down an exterior
like a siding and then you decide to put something else up like what what all the all of the above okay so so it would be an alternative divinal sighting you would put this thing up so it's not just for a brand new like
a no like a style stuff like no but if someone's going to put vinyl side take down vinyl and put on another think myd they the rest is the infrastructure for that in place right so that may men not do this okay right
but they could because it's it's actually attractive it's like it you in the old days they did stucco but they just slapped it on the wood it was real stucco now it's just some crap that looks like real stuff and it's got the styrofoam you're not a fan are
you no I'm just saying no I know would the who ultimately has to enforce construction official yeah I think we enforcement code enforcement well if we had a code but I'm wonder you don't think there I mean again I no I real no one's look you don't think there's anything
existing they can't yeah I mean it's I mean we we have something specific but it would also there might be something general there they I mean it's it's worth it again I just got this email today so I'm I'm running with it so I yes absolutely we
should take a look we should the construction offici yeah but knowing how some of the uh some of our gaps in ordinances exist I'm probably I would not be surprised right this seems like a very specific Niche thing um and we
don't already have suest we've talked about this and them on the construction we can we can sorry might not been a good word all right debris construction debris or any
debris being blown off your property into your neighbor's yard I mean to me it just I have flashbacks to the sil fences well it's the sil fences are also the county level understood maybe maybe they have a role in it too I don't know
soil I mean yeah well I guess and that's exactly what I was talking because we have ordinances regarding soil leaving construction site but we don't have at least I don't think we ever implemented covering piles of soil that were left
out in other places right so like again like just these random gaps or really specific Niche scenarios this sounds like it might be one of them so um so all right so we'll look to see if they have them there's ccil meetings with workshops on the 13th and 27th obviously
you can show up at any time it's private CI and and say what you want but I'll email da Brown and see if we can get on the agenda for one of them to go and talk about this issue they can go they go to the council meeting the workshop they can also go to the council meeting
suggest yeah respond to them and let them know but yeah and we'll bring it up and we'll see um what's what so as soon as we learn a little bit more uh we'll send an email out to the whole EC and and we'll go from there and we'll see if we can't tackle this and and go somewhere and if
you can send the M Beach ordinance over if you have a copy um yeah and see if that that works can you spell the name of like I again or what is it e FS e ifs yes and that's an acronym right correct
do do they have to um like you said these are G te gos do they have to get some kind of permits to put put up new siding not I understand if it was a replacement siding or something turn well I mean I don't it's not just
for You' get a general building permit not specifically for sighting yeah right but when you're doing construction I'm just I'm just wondering if there's any data on how many houses are using this you know I mean like what kind of effect like is there any way that the town knows does
anybody have to ask the town or inform the town what type of siding they're putting in I so yeah if you submit you know a new belger architect includes those details like details will be on there they're not tied to your building
permit no but you're presenting to them that I'm building right like if I were to get a fence permit because I got a fence permit like they want to know all the details of the fence but the permit didn't have that they're just like yes you can build a fence
yeah so okay all right anything else on this we we're we'll get the ball rolling and do something fun about styrofoam all right Mary I have your letter here I will read it is that okay read
it yeah God cannot hear you all right from Mary we're gonna have to go a lip reader here for me my neighbor took over dealing with the town engineer months ago but the town has stalled on beginning the pond dredging for several years now I think we should start on the garden plan for the other side of
Brookside that doesn't back on Snell Pond I presently immersed in two family Affairs which are taking all my time when these are done I hope to involve the Garden Club to get the garden planted okay all right so why is nothing
happen I do not know that is a question for the town engineer um I think it is a funding and a prioritization list I know the snow Pond has been on the list for a while but so has fireman's pond and so has um
theop lollipop Pond parts of it Construction in on Rose Avenue yeah yeah yeah um what's happening that yeah I don't know what ever happened with all the fines and and I think they
were being taken to court I don't I don't know I know that the B the if you've been up there recently it's been stabilized significantly I mean a little late but it it the car club yeah oh yeah
yeah that's I don't know if you've ever seen the videos of it but like I took videos during that there's just rivers and I'm not exaggerating just gushing mud into the street and we tracked it because the soil was a specific color it went all the way down into the storm
sore which then dumped into the Wegman's retention basins they go under 35 into the headwaters of lollia pond you could have tracked it all the way down and we did Don broccol and I were out there in the rain wandering around spping wet in the woods so good
times um yeah yeah all right so I didn't call Don Don calls me whenever it starts raining really hard I get a call from dawn we go out um and it's always really depressing because there's always something something going
wrong somewhere in town um okay so we covered the new council member we covered the new business the the email that we got any other new business before we move on to the rest of our agenda items okay all right so plan review
Norm well I haven't been to many things and I've been able relax one of the things that's happening is the um if you go up Sunset Avenue where Briel Avenue heads in okay is this tackle shop type place okay that they did a construction
thing and they put in some trees and stuff Tower yes yeah they they're going to put in there's two properties actually there they going to do something the property next to them going back toward Rose Avenue also has I think it's been approved for a giant
Warehouse the luxury yeah yeah luxury Warehouse that's luy is come see my art collection it is it's that kind of thing it is yes that's it's a new it's a new type of is
technically a self storage facility um because you were storing your own stuff but I think what was it it's 1,800 square feet Lofts with a half bath for each one yes everyone has his own private
generator yeah it's a point is but then there's a bunch of trees com out there so anyway there's a bunch of trees on the downhill side going down the hill toward the town's uh we're talking west of the of the fishing
west of North no it's it is the fishing place the place that's on that corner they have a lot of property to the West that's wood w they're going to take right they're going to take they leave some trees there but they they're going to put a big Warehouse area there
and so on and so forth change their parking in the front well that's where the luxury storage is yeah the the other place when I was going was north of so this is going down down the hill so that that's what that set of plans is I've beenax oddly enough and I'm not sure I wanted to find out
what Jim Higgins is doing they quoted oddly enough two ordinances that they applied to one was the construction ordinance the other was almost like the the homeown ordinance the tree preservation ordinance which involved
how big of trees you put in and all that s table and all that sort of stuff which is nice but it really doesn't apply to that but let's not stop them from doing don't tell them that no so well the point is though but then had that's the question is what do we say because
usually Jim is very good what ordinance is pling from so so forth so that's why I haven't put in the plan yet it's it supped to be heard in February sometime so I'm not sure what's going on is it going to planning or Z so I was just going to look at it says planning board application
say on this thing here so it change I know I haven't seen the agenda for this month yeah the property is called the Le properties what the name of the
applicant what is it Leo me the 3501 Sunset Avenue okay so anyway so that's that's the only thing right now that's between fisherman source and the recycl
yeah no but it's not between them no it's their property this property is didn't say it it's not between but the building wise they're going to go about past their building you're both right you're both right it's building yes yes it is I
don't care who owns the property I'm just trying to locate it okay it's the same property is I'm saying yes yes yes okay um so I heard uh so whatever happened brief were the
Billboards approved or denied did they ever come to a resolution I understand what's happening' I don't know what's happen the first me they Deni so they're being denied they're going to sue on the Free Speech rules of some kind okay which the
fact that you can put up a billboard is one thing the fact that the billboard is going to reach as high as the high tension lines you know those giant poles we've been over this okay the fact that they're going to go up there so yeah should have nothing to
do so they're they're in litigation I don't know what's happened yet okay so I I understand all right um and I understand that the church on 66 was my your yes she
might I will check with her she's been I've actually called her in the past I told about she may not yeah I understand the church on 66 was approved as well the French Baptist French Baptist well
bill was talking about that at the shatri commission meeting yes you know there's a lot of trees most of which are really garbage trees and you plan on planting more trees it's not I don't listen it has been a long time since they've seen a plan but unless they
changed them drastic I thought they were I think I thought they were GNA pave every inch of that lot no but so there's a border around the Border there's a border that's going to get trees okay I understand the lot the lot itself is really mostly stuff that just been there
for 50 years just growing up you know weedy stuff I'm not saying it's not whatever it is but and Bill also mentioned that they will contribute to the tree F the other trees that they don't plant okay I mean don't really
have a lot of other choice I mean I guess Sun could have given away the weirdest kind of lot was they got this dirt Ro next to it it's it's great I don't know um and I also understand that there
was an application on the lake in West Allenhurst that was denied the zoning board the zoning board denied that one too yeah Zone board's been denying things what did they what did they want what kind of a thing was
going I don't remember the exact details but I think the short version of it was that they have a really tiny lot that fronts on Deal Lake and I wanted to make it a much larger house so less I think they want to exceed a lot coverage
or just I mean it's like everything in West Allen hurse but or southw has to drive that whole that whole section yeah so I think Mary was um trying to text you something I do not have any let me look
somebody she's just talking into her my recollection is on the first meeting for the bill boards text know designed it so that there's no light spill so I mean they taken that whole piece out of the
billboard aren't they electronic Billboards they are but they've got see it's been designed to the point where if you're 40 Dees off of direct on you
can't see a thing okay sit on the ground under the billboard and look up and you won't see it you'll see the billboard but you won't see the light some of the the aspects of the technology of R just the other issue is I
know I know you've told us at every meaning for six months okay all right moving along and and thetically something in there that cuts the light level well down at night it has a sensor you know because you don't need the brightness at night
yeah okay anyway anything else or am I foret anything else planning board to update last meeting um yeah and we just we didn't really do much yeah what's the
Lop committee well we let's not yet on the agenda Norm you're jumping ahead and we'll get to it in a moment but Jack has te report greenfest planning has slowly started to be undertaken okay when is the date for
greenfest this year may the fourth be with you all right okay um so it is uh marked
on Mike's calendar likeo okay and uh as soon as we get all of our ke's and I or our te crossed and our eyes dotted we'll set them the final okay and we're going to go for with that day um the idea is
to really tie it together with the 5K um so Tim's been you know going through all that trying to get his ducks in a row for that date and uh that's kind of just what I'm waiting on to get
everything lined up okay is it going to be the library in I think we're going to Mo back to field at the park okay um and yeah so if anyone wants to help
organize and call vendors and do all the fun stuff of putting on a big Festival okay any questions for Jack I com May the
4th M yes it's a it's a national holiday for a certain portion of the population SciFi the people who don't like Star Tre the people who are less likely to be out in nature will be at home having a film
Marathon Earth Day Earth Day is 2 day is Friday okay bir and I was thinking of having two things with the tree gers that we had right one for 10 years they had these free trees that came through Day Foundation that project is dead okay and
then the state last year killed the free trees for third graders okay so we got the free trees we so then we bought trees for the third gr so um and I was thinking with the 25th so the week before green Fest would
be flly day now all depends who we're getting them from the state I'm not sure what the rules are they're giving trees out again in they making trees F tuings agains you know the state and they're going to have state seedings but we
don't know what the list that list is going to be yet some however the ones I got to the third graders was some Nursery I found in South Jersey that actually was s she I thing made and I wasn't even around but they mailed them for Pat Sullivan at the high
school H School pass then they get third and fourth grader appr this year okay so but we're going to have to at some point we're going to have to pay for those things historically actually the third grade trees r a sh commission an environmental commission thing that
we did and the other ones became CH but either way so I thought I'd at least mention it it's possible look into some more of this stuff maybe I pick the date had spoken to but only a week later that you're
going to be doing r fest which is a good tie in you know if we can make that happen so I know what the rules are when I can get the trees and how long they keeping the trees you because it goes out like this nurser we got them from after a certain point they start
planting all those trees that they sell see how that plays out would it make sense to put the two together well would but I I may have a I may have a timetable for availability so and but I don't know if he wants to move up but greenfest really right right
after Earth Day probably as good at time as anything else well we're also limited by other things in the calendar like Tim has to get certain things on different like like he has to got a timing company for the 5K and they're only available on
certain days uh the next weekend is Mother's Day uh and he said that the weekend after the company's not available so we have to do it either May 4th or the week and the weekend before is April yeah and and
Passover and Easter are both late this year exact they're really late this year people might still be coming back on vacation yeah C is earlier than no it's it's earlier than Easter it's slightly earlier than last year spring break is probably going to be all during the
Passover on Easter pass over St so Passover ends on Easter Sunday yeah so they're pretty late so like you know theoretically we could have green Fest on the
27 but you're having it on for we're having it on I wouldn't say change it but if the give the tree giveaway could be together put the two projects I'm just trying to do some research
now it's possible that the AR day one was a whole big thing you know I mean a foundation that's not happening they had Deliverance you know so I don't know how many of the trees they're growing now and so on and so forth theys that
many to nurs I'll try and record we could do it that same weekend it probably would be all right all right lollipop Pond you are familiar where lollipop
Pond is right nor am yeah so there's a lot of Pop Pond committee uh myself Julia as a member is chaired by Mike pudus down in Wan Massa um there has been an attempt to revolve revive
existing trails that have been back there for a number of years um a lot of this was precipitated by the closure of the damn or Weir whatever you want to call it the cross lollipop Pond that people use to get from one side of
wanasa to the other side of wanasa um I used it quite frequently on my way to the uh stores that are over there one may have been more favored than others um yes of course Andrew knows me so well
um the there has been funding that our members of legislature have gotten to replace that um to replace it with a bridge I do not know the status of that I know that we've secured the funding we don't know when construction's supposed
to start um the last activity the lollipop Pond committee had was in the fall there was a cleanup um and I know that talking to Mike uh recently we're g to try and get together soon for another spring cleanup and hopefully would they want to dredge all that other stuff out
of there before they do anything else or Bridge you got you're going to have to start going back and forth the whole thing you don't have I think we should just let the engineers handle it no I'm just saying but I'm just saying they may I mean there's two again if you've been back there so lollipop Pond is is almost
at like two different levels right there's the lower Pond which is the big one that you see if you're driving on wipo right and it's over there then there's the upper one which depending on who you ask at one point and the not so distant past was over six feet deep and
you could goes to man and now it's a marsh and that's being kind it's it's just wet leaves with there is a defined bed and bank for a stream that goes through it but it's just wet so I don't know what the plan for the dredging is I
don't know if they're only going to do the lower part because there's you know there's parts of it that are being sedimented in again because of what happened up on hill but I don't know if they're going to do the dredging of both the lower and the upper um okay what about the condition of the
walking trails all the way around that's still they're they're still working on that there's parti part of it needs an Loi from dep part of it is still inaccessible especially as you get further to the West closer to Dave dur
and some of them um you know there those wasn't there fencing that's what I'm saying the fencing got put up to block people from crossing the Weir no I thought private property owners put oh yeah there was a fence that got moved back
because it was in the middle of the paper Street yep and that was addressed um so yeah it's just kind of Rolling Along back there there's a lot of you know one of the things that as you start getting through and Diving deep into this is there's a lot of easements that
haven't been tracked over the years and people kind of know where there's easement and kind of think there might be easement and there may or may not be any easements um um but there is a sewer eement back there which is I guess one of the I don't know it guides a lot of the
thought process because the town owns those in the paper street so anyways um stay tuned no l yeah um all right any other questions on that all right so here my my Chairman's
report I'm sure that you were all Avid news hours um and you may have seen that there are some federal funding Cuts being proposed to a number of various projects um what happens with those cuts
remains to be seen but a lot of the cuts that are proposing get trickled down through block grants to the state and they trickle down to both nonprofits and governmental entities ahead of time historically this environmental commission has gotten grants for a number of different projects some small
some large and we also who like we just mentioned have gotten funds for infrastructure projects dredging Bridges etc etc etc we don't know what's going to happen with those funds so the ability to do bigger projects both for
us as the environmental commission or the town as a as a larger entity might be hindered so I think just keep in mind as as we go forward that whatever projects we are proposing we need to be mindful that there might not be any dollars available
anywhere to get them done um we're seeing it more at the Statewide nonprofit level um a lot of the funds there for groups that have been acting as passrs is drying up and it was drying up before the recent round of funding Cuts people are rep prioritizing how
they're getting funded a number of the big philanthropies that have done environmental funding in the state of New Jersey have shifted their focus and moved away um Dodge Foundation being one of them um Victoria Foundation being they're just changing their funding
priority so um it's not a great time to be trying to find money for environmental work but the work needs to be done um so we'll keep plugging at it and that is all I have such an uplifting uplifting way to end the
report um members of the public comments questions concerns I just came by to uh see what y'all do what do we do yeah um what's I have heard nothing I thought I
saw something posted somewhere Donna that the council was asking someone to look at imminent domain oh that's a different topic oh that's a totally different topic to it was not related to town hall
the the short version of that actually this is something the planning word is somewhat involved in um the council has ask the planning board to conduct a study to determine if Orchard closet is an area in need of
Redevelopment and they are doing that through the condemnation option which does not mean that the town is going to use condemnation but it is an option that they are keeping on the there any businesses still open yes yes
can't be too many there there are a few but there are a lot of vacancies anyways so just so you understand how the process goes the council uh tasks the planning board with doing a study planning board conducts the study they
submit their findings back to the council and then the council makes the determinations the planning board has nothing to do with whether or not they condemn it or anything like that our job is and it's very prescribed by law there is a very narrow box in which the study
can be conducted and the what we can say is or is not the state of things so that process is rolling along um but no my I last I heard was that they were going to have a special meeting in January to discuss the town hall but I don't think
that ever happened did did got canel got canel well because they had to fill the vacancy right yeah so I have heard nothing stay tuned Tes yep I have one question those uh those
buckets that were given out for the plastic fill recycling is that program going to just go on forever uh no it was a one-year pilot and then the town had to decide if it was worth doing um I have not heard an update of that
but I have found other people's buckets have blown into my art I think it kept rolling I saw it and then I went a lot of no it does not actually met
guy yeah I'll tell you what though you can really fill one of those up yeah my gosh I never realized how much know I but there's a lot of things that can go in that b this big p was allent oface they just
need a little weight in the bbody here with that program yeah we had someone know I'm just sure theys yeah you mean like the recycling buckets we did so many years ago flashbacks yeah oh actually speaking
of I don't know if anyone has seen this was it it might have been the New York Times I don't remember this I've read about a new technology for at home food waste recycling not composting not composting
they are recycling they are food dehydrators have you seen this I think the machine is about $1,000 yeah but apparently it's a a dehydrator and a Crusher right so it takes all the food it sucks enough moisture out of them so
they will no longer well think about like you know your your dried fruits or whatever for decorations it takes all desiccates them and then grinds them up so that you have like it's almost like a I guess a Sandy texture um but depending on what it is
it may or may not be viable for composting because it's not it's not designed to create compost it's designed to recycle they evaporates it takes a tremendous amount
of electricity because I make apple rings and my electric bills always higher the month I do stays on for it's a heating unit that and a fan that's staying on for 2436 hours think the New York Times did a review of the
machine on 24 hour day what do you do I don't know yeah I don't know I just thought it was really fascinating because they know that this is a a perennial topic for us for food food waste and what to do with it so anyways all right does anyone have
anything else for this meeting I was this this the super storage place with the individual generators I mean what's the purpose of having individual generators they're individual backup generators but if the
power in the building goes out why don't they just have one generator instead of running 18 generators and save they be simple because the company is selling the company is not spending any money on I'll bet they will have their separate
they will have a separate electric I'm just thinking of the additional because you you buy the unit for like $600,000 that's what I'm saying you buy the unit and you've got the electric build so the building this thing is not going to have and you might want to keep your wine chilled at a specific temperature you don't want to
take the you know electricity you know yeah I listen I got to tell you as as a concept right I find it fascinating because I think it is in fact Self Storage but I think that it falls in that Gap the way that those were I think that the town
and other towns need to to really consider creating a specific ordinance to address that specific use this country is heading to to that way because designed for the rich to get richer right and they got to do something with all that extra
Tech might be time to adjourn it is time in fact do I have a motion to motion second all right thank you everyone uh I will see you all 6: pm on the 25th we'll figure out where