This conference will now be recorded. >> Okay. This is the April 9th meeting of the safety commission. It's a virtual virtual that the meeting can be picked up virtually if you require
and the notice of open public meeting one has been this meeting been satisfied copy of sent as part of coaster posted in town hall file the township clerk video will be recorded and available on the YouTube channel. Would you call the
role please? Oh yeah, Colton's not here. >> Cronheim >> here. >> Oh boy. Godette's here. Gordon, did you know Gordon's not here?
Let's not here. Armstrong's here. Our friendly deadly councilman. >> Not here. >> Not here. And Dang, how do we pronounce that? >> Which? That's me. Thank you.
>> Danish car. >> The kids call me Dr. D because they don't want >> Yeah, that sounds fine. >> Okay. >> Well, welcome to the >> circus. >> Circus. >> Anyway, we're going to forgo the minutes
and we're going to move the approvals to the next meeting. >> So, you're up, my friend. through permits and removals and all that. >> All right. As I mentioned at our the last meeting, there has been an uptick
in residential permits both uh construction wise, mostly swimming pools, passport construction. Um some small additions. There are um projects in the pipeline
both planning and zoning board but they're u the next two to three months are going to be busy from that. Um there is a relatively large single family residence construction that um is going to start
soon out 716 Cors which is on the southwest corner of Cors and South Edge. >> In other words, it's across the street from the two on the north side. >> Southwest corner
>> south edge mirror of course. >> I know. Sorry about where I live. Trying to figure out where it is. It's the bridge. You go over the bridge >> off of Coralies. If you make a right hand turn on the south cores, uh I mean the south edge mirror from Corley's right there. It's that heavily wooded
lot. All the proper forestry was done by Mr. Michael Amana who is about the best in the state, maybe one of the top three or four in the Northeast. um an awful awful lot of very bad trees
from a standpoint of main stem cavities rot at grade. >> So is this a piece of land that's right on the lake? >> Yes, it is. There are wetlands in there. He has obtained the builder has obtained an LOI
from the the D for that. It has been marked out. I've visited the site three or four times. The mark out is absolutely 100% correct. It is designated also as hardwood
uh wetlands and the D has said that what he is proposing is permitted. It's going to look a lot different. Um >> so it's on the south side of Corley or the north side. >> South side of Cors has a little house
there and only this little triangle. >> No. There's a ranch house, >> a little house. >> Well, it's pretty it's fair to think it is. >> They wanted to do an addition >> that is that's that's totally different from us. There are two lots over there.
>> They're going to put a big house on where they're going to put the new transmission. >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're you're you're on the wrong end. >> Okay. So, >> it's off of Corley. In other words, it's the >> it's it's where South of Edgeir starts.
>> But that is >> Yeah, that is >> you're going the bridge west farther west. >> Well, you're talking on the >> I'm talking right where >> you don't have to worry about >> I know where that is. Yeah. Isn't that wet? I Isn't that wet?
>> No, that's why he he did his due diligence. >> I read the reports. The reports are correct. They're very thoroughly. Oh, he's already calling me about it. >> It is the D has spoken.
>> They say it is a permitted activity and at this point in time. There are 20 25 trees proposed for removal. of the 25 22 are dead, deceased, decayed, and
dying cannot be returned to habit. They're no-brainers and they are a threat to the public right away. So that's the end of it. >> That's that little lot by Emil Shraw house. >> That long house >> which is in but the lot is in
>> it was one lot. They're trying to make it two lot. >> The tax shows a separate distinct lot. All that's all that >> there was a pipe and they p >> I don't know about that all I know is that what they're proposed the D has given this blessing to so that's that
>> the large projects on okay what >> well actually the uh the elevation center of lot is 16 or 17 feet above the lake elevation so it's >> it's pretty high
>> so but that's the biggest one >> the project on Roosevelt is ongoing and it looks like they're starting to do more work. >> Roosevelt, remind me that it's >> the traffic light. If you come out of here and go north, it's first traffic
light. Make a right hand turn. There's a good size project. >> That sometimes you got to >> um turn left at the bar. That's >> um
>> which I sus any of them I suspect that I'm surmising they're getting ready to go because there's a lot of heavy equipment showed up last week all tree removal everything has been done there they have complied with all silk fence fencing so that's that and you know you
see the residential tree permits are ticking up like you would expect them to do based on the time of year. >> The sun is out. >> Yeah, the sun's out. >> So, but that is really all I have. JCPNL
JCPNL I think is almost finished with their transmission subtransmission trimming. This was the line that goes down the Conrail track and it's a Lego that comes across Darlene
and goes into the substation of the west. I'm sorry. I apologize. I can't think right where that one is, but I believe they're done unless they have some pullbacks and I lit them up pretty good cuts on four or five trees. Don't bother setting that crew back here
if that's what you're doing. And >> Mike from Aston looked at it and he called me back and said, "I apologize. You're right. We had a meeting about that. That will happen again." No, thank you. And it it wasn't any
it wasn't anything that ruined something that we would really want to run out of town and feather. It was poor pruning cuts, you know, over pruning, but >> not like the state. >> No, no, no. So, that's really all I have
unless anybody has any questions for me. Good. I hope that was answer. There you go, sir. >> Finally. >> Okay. We're getting there. Actually, one of the crazy thing or one of the things we
got to do, we need a vote. I need a motion to approve up to $700 for our annual tree to purchase the trees for Ann Arbor Day tree giveaways. You may or may not know >> already told me all about it. >> I know the full list.
>> Well, list now, but >> we've been doing this for probably 30 years now. >> Yeah, I I was surprised gum trees were on it. >> That is a black gum. No sticky balls. >> Okay, that's why I was
>> satica. >> Cool. >> Sour tupelo. Same tree. Good tree. Brilliant. Brilliant red fall color. >> And likes his feet wet. >> That's better.
>> Yes. Most of the town. >> Sounds good. So I had a question for Norman. He would give an answer but every year we do this treaty giveaway. Any tracking of what happens to any of us? >> Be careful what you wish for.
>> That's how you get elected. >> Well, A and B lots people are getting where they don't actually have space. Actually >> to some extent >> some purpose of this is not necessarily
to have we'd like to have all the trees survive. >> Yeah. But if we educate a little bit about trees >> about trees and try to appreciate it then Steve I do cut some down on >> I'm sure about this big
remember and they say yeah my kid got that in 198 can redesign the his whole backyard. Yeah, >> because of one of those trees. >> I have a beach plum that's growing now
and I'm like, "Oh, might not have been for it." Yes. >> I was fully landscaped. Like, okay. >> But yeah, I mean, >> fair. So, if it's treated as an educational opportunity >> to some degree,
>> it is at this point. We would like to expand it and >> but if we're giving out 500 trees, who wants to keep track to keep track? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's >> I can't I'm not a member of this.
>> You could do it. You could do it as part of the convers and this is a different conversation. I think just we just want to get a motion for this right now and approval. Why don't we stay with this? We've got about another 20 minutes that >> I've got I've got something conversation with you.
>> Well, very simply, we could go to the fourth graders and said, "Remember when you got a treat?" How many of you still have it? How many of you, you know, and just get a >> That'd be a really cool thing to tie into Arbor. >> Yeah, there's there's a tracking break for you.
>> The town newsletter, they could post it. you know who has the oldest >> giveaway. If you're gonna do that, there's probably two things that we might want to do if we're going to go in that route. You could say who has the who
still has your third grade tree, >> right? >> And then you could you could do the >> who's got the biggest tree in town, right? You know, my tree is bigger than your tree. >> We did that years ago. >> Set up we could probably set up pretty
easily a um some kind of a >> some kind of a tracking some kind of a tracking thing on our web page. >> The guy sitting at the table with the computer could probably do that very easily. >> Yeah, >> if we have the right software, the right
I'm sure there's a a way to track a tree, you know, we're giving you a tree and we're going to want you to like now check in in six months and tell us how >> I think they do that red bank because we've been giving away a lot of trees. I will ask for stop.
>> Yeah. To see. >> I wonder if we could put them into tree maker. Was they >> that I would not >> freaky >> perhaps eventually, but I I I'd really
user friendly one that everybody just get in. We could do like a adopt we do it like an adoptive tree >> and say we're we're giving you this tree now. You're adopting it and we're going to check on it. We'd like to check on it. see how it's doing, you know, if you fed the baby, you know, that kind of thing and and track it. I'd love to see
what >> Well, the first thing you do is this is possible. >> You just assign the tree a number. >> No, a number. >> I'm kidding.
>> Start with me. 26, 14, 15, so forth and so on. and get an address where it is. Do it that way. But I will find out what boards if we are. >> Yeah, there's a way.
>> We've been giving away 150 to 200 every year for the 20 years I've been there. >> I've been told by folks and people have done that that it's like a onethird planted kind of a thing.
If you're getting for that kind of planning and the care they're going to be given, if you're getting a 33% survival rate, she said 33%. >> No, I I understand that. I ignored that.
>> Well, if you get 33% of the 33 that went in the grand, >> that's not bad. >> For 700 bucks, that's a lot of bang for you. >> Yeah, that's the only reason I asked. Somebody could come around and say this money like what is it? >> Good time. Could I get a motion in a
second, please? >> I'll motion. >> Who? >> Okay. >> And a roll call. We've got Armstrong Cronheim. I can't >> I
want me to do it. >> Everybody says I >> want to do it like that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> Technically technically it should be minutes which is what we >> we usually kept to the the idea that if
we're voting money otherwise >> Yeah. You You know what? You probably should do that by name. >> Yeah, >> because you are. >> Go ahead. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And Armstrong.
>> Yes. >> And that gives us a form. So, we're good. >> Okay. >> So, I have something. Um, >> you have Patty, you have you have the >> Do you have anything else on the agenda
to get through? CFPM. >> Okay. >> CFMP and I don't know what Nor had in mind of that. >> Um I think it's just a matter of Ted's getting paid by Tracy. There was just an issue with the tax numbers or companies
changing tax numbers and Tracy in here hopefully working that out. I think grant approval and all the hours we put in got into the DDP. >> So everything should be proceeding smoothly with that. speaking to that we did and I was bringing pet
say 10 instead of >> um so the um uh CFMP I think we want to make sure it's on the website and accessible for everybody who wants to see it because right now when I go on the shape
website I see the old tree canopy and I see I don't see it's hard to find the new stuff so I'm going to try to meet Tracy and see that it's front and center so people can see it so they don't call me and say where is it
>> and also so they can understand the importance of >> yes and how thorough it was >> how many freaking hours it was a lot >> it was a lot of hours a lot of time but it was different than other ones because we talked about burn communities which
never was done we had a lot of stakeholder meetings we had the students involved and they actually did a video showing the imports of trees and they won first place in the climate >> awards and they were given a trophy by >> first lady Murphy. So it was it had a
lot of benefits and what it basically did though was make some suggestions that the council signed off on. I'm not they say they've read it and are familiar with it but I think you know >> we'll see because two of the suggestions were ordinance changes.
>> Oh yeah, there's Yeah. And that you got to be careful exactly how that's done because that did not necessarily follow the prescribed sequencing as to how they were proposed,
introduced, and whatever else. But I believe that that has been addressed >> by because Dave was Dave basically our town manager said put it in the CFM put it in and he said he signed off on it. So now the conversation
>> the problem is the manner in which you have to by what the law is introduce ordinances now you have to change them. Well, this is just a recommendation. >> I know, but one ordinance. >> Okay. So, the ordinance is the ones that we've been talking about. The one
ordinance is that if a tree dies in the right way that we'll take it down and we'll pay for it. >> That's That's not That is not anywhere listed in anywhere. >> No, it's not. It would be a new It's a recommendation for >> Well, I don't I don't even think that
has to be because >> But if you have it now, then it has to be taken and the homeowner has to pay for it. Well, Right. And we've all guys like me, we've always been taught real simple. Who owns the dirt? >> Your tree.
>> We on the dirt. >> There you go. >> But that's not what >> There you go. Okay. >> So, I'm saying we >> Yeah, but but in other words, the courts recognize that, >> right? But right now, we we we >> we don't have people people are unaware
of it and we have a lot of trees not being taken care of. people knew they didn't have to pay for it and maybe we would get more informed about trees and they would be able to, you know, be more on top of this. So it isn't just you having to ride around your car, look at everything. We might be able actually have a conversation and relationship
with homeowners who want their trees taken down, some of these dead trees taken down. Well, >> I was trying to build >> I understand what you're saying and it's it there are a number of municipalities
where they make the homeowner responsible for the maintenance of the drain right away >> and I think that's a really bad idea because somebody's going to get killed, >> right? That's so we want to make it so that >> and we are now doing we're maintaining a trees right away but
the problem is they never they didn't get a line item in this year's budget so there's no money but they have been told and this came to me but powers a fee
jrew trust fund is off limits >> it's off limits um just to pick at. >> So, they're going to have to figure it out. Um, >> and I there are some things that I do
know, but I not I can't elaborate on >> understand. So, so this will be an ongoing. The other the other ordinance is that we shift so that we don't the town would like to make it so that the town can pay for and we can use the
shade tree for this. We could take trees, put them on people's property just off the ride ofway or wherever it makes sense to put the tree on the side of the sidewalk. >> We'll pay to put it in. We'll pay for the tree. They have to maintain it and it's like a two-year period, whatever.
And that that's a recommendation >> that I know I can tell you we are doing that >> and it's working. few towns do and it and that piece also talking with environmental commission talking with planning zoning they're doing a lot of
complete street works there's money it's also that which is big state money for this if they want to make trees and shade tree part of that so this is something that's going to be more comprehensive where trees are part of that but we got we got to change that ordinance so these are the things that is a recommendation we're going to be
making to the council >> I'm guessing that that >> yes >> that will probably I don't think that that is going to go into the tree protection ordinance because that is really aimed at residential you got two tree ordinances in the ST
right >> 2381 it's residential tree protection and there are sections within that and then the land use ordinance now the biggest disparity is in land
If you take down >> Yeah. >> a 10-in tree, you Patty Brown take a 10-in tree down >> and you don't have room to plant a new tree. >> I pay >> you pay into the or you choose not to.
You pay the option is to plant or pay payment and lo plant. Okay. You pay in $750. Now, if you take a tree down that's over 30 in in diameter and you don't want to plant the four
required trees because that's 30 to 39, you pay 4 * 750 3 grand. Now if you're a developer the land use ordinance this is primarily
replacement schedule is one for one 12 in down you owe me a 12 30 in down you owe me 12 one payment schedule is 350 >> 350 >> and 750 okay I swallow that 350 and
three grand so we're trying to do that working on it. Suggestion is to possibly not break it in as many size >> classes.
>> Classes, thank you. Yeah. >> As we have in a residential one because it would become just unwieldy. You couldn't do it. But say from above six to maybe and I'm pulling this
out of the air 18 then 18 to 36 or 40 and then above that. So this one now becomes see two maybe this this is the one. This one goes to three and the big ones we get
four or five and we increase the payment the minimum to $500 or possibly go to 750. So we would get 750 here we get 15 and up here would be close because when you these big development
sites there are two accepted ways that you can account for the trees. You take parcels and count. Okay. You take 100 by 100 square and you count what's in there.
>> Then you do the multip >> or correct or you actually have to go out physically tag them all and that really gets involved. >> Yeah. But the 32 acres they did do that.
>> Uh this 32 acres. No, I believe that was done by >> was it? Y >> but that you can't just take a look at the map and go >> well hell there's no trees over here and they're like nine they want they want from a topo they want to
>> okay >> these three sections are very heavily wooded >> this one's not so much there's hardly anything here we'll go two two and one and then they average out that is accepted forest through practice
and it actually comes pretty damn Right. >> What's on folks that do a lot of this? Right. That's my two cents. >> What's the time window? >> I'm sorry. >> From when tree removal happens um two times. Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh residential tree permit is good for 90 days and it should be longer. >> That's something we are going to change too because if like this winter if I gave you a permit in November, >> it must be weather dependent. >> Yeah. Well, no, but that's what can
happen. It can happen in the summer. You get a hurricane in here and okay, all best of it. I I'm six months backed up right now. Um on any construction project, it is
any construction project. The the tree removal window is for the duration of the project. Project takes two years. Then they have to plant at the end. And what I do,
let's say they're completing on June 15 or July 1, I don't want to put a lot of trees in. And you know, July and August, they're going to die. >> I'll give them until whatever, right? >> Or like if it's late in the season, I'll give them one June of the following
year, but they better be in. They better be the right size. >> Yeah. >> She goes, I I haven't made him check them out. The oldies are no good. Get them out here. >> Speaking of that, what happened? What did they just do to the in front of Staples along the
>> Oh, that whole >> I think they Well, they plowed all the There was rocks there. They plowed them all up. I think it was just shrubs there. >> No, trees. I would assume they >> none of them look decent, but there were trees in that. The problem they plowed every the snow in that
something so much salt that's going to be on these trees now we >> I would assume maybe they're going to open >> you know what I go after >> but necessarily go after Mr. Yeah. No, I understand.
>> I brought it up Glenn. >> There's not a tree on that property anymore. And it should >> car dealers don't want no trees, but they should still be there. >> Not only don't >> And I did bring any trees, but they
show cars. >> Yes. Well, I like to utilities because they get penalized and other >> then why don't we give a ticket to the guys that bought Ocean Auto Body that want to put the electronic sign in and are parking their vehicles on that
little strip of ground and grass in between for some reason. Well, that you call I tell you what, if you call code enforcement and get it to Ken Peace, he will go and get them. >> I've gone I've spoken to Donna about it about three times and she
>> You want to talk to Ken P. He's >> ex Lieutenant. >> Well, I don't know if Donna has been twisting, but every time I've asked about something, it usually gets done. >> Oh, he's good. Yeah, >> you can bring up the trailer on your
street too at the same time. >> No, it was gone. >> It's been gone recently. >> No, it's been this long. >> So, so anyway, the reason I was bringing up these two ordinances because you all recall I wrote just a draft for
conversation, start the conversation going after the CFMP. In fact, when we presented the CFMP, the first question was, well, where's your tree plan? Well, we had to do this first because this is setting the groundwork for what the tree plan's going to be. So, all right. So, I grabbed a tree plan that had some sites
and areas for planting trees and most of them works for bigger areas that would require grants and public private partnerships as well. Um, so I'm creating an urban forest and blue acres on the blueacre property. Uh, nurturing the forest and letting trees grow on the
Blueacres property down on the border where deal is and that behind the, you know, I always had an industry. You know where I mean where the old where the homes had to be where the senior citizen housing had to be moved because right letting that be a part. There were a few
places from stakeholder engagement and comments that we got from everyone that we talked to all the watershed commission people and all these folks and that was so I came up with a draft and it and it had the section of the ordinances in it as well. You all have
seen it. I've uh zoning and and planning has seen it. EC has seen it. Dave Brown has seen it. And Norm I talked with Norm and said, "Do you want us to decide tonight if we want to, you know, set show this draft to some of the council say, "Hey, this is what we've got and
it's uh we'd like >> probably wouldn't hurt." >> Well, Norman thought it was a good idea and wanted me to run it all by you and I certainly >> do it. just give it to the mayor and say >> they've been asking asking asking like all right >> nobody nobody may remember from but if
you keep pushing it eventually it'll click into somebody's head >> well they keep saying we don't have a plan we couldn't have a plan until we had >> we had to do the C cfmp there that was a state requirement throw it back on the state >> and it was a huge it was a huge piece of
work and >> much more difficult than it ever has been before and I think that 10 years down the road, we're going to reap the benefits from it. Not now. It'll be the second community forestry management plants that were five years, >> right?
>> And this was radically different than any other previous one. radically. >> We hired a consultant. >> Yep. And it much more involved and initially was a real pain in the neck,
but I think when the next one comes up, you're going to have recognized the mistakes, if you will. It's probably not the right word, but I'm going to use it. >> And then by the time the third one comes up, this thing's really going to work
well. But >> but some of the recommendations in that were really about focusing plantings around overburdened community parts where the canopy is thin it's no burden communities and this was a council three years ago that didn't know what no
burden community was let alone that some of our areas are designated as such indeed by the D on their website. So um so it we're trying to follow the C I was trying to follow CFMP and the recommendations we got right >> uh to create this. It is certainly not a
final product by any way, shape, or form, but it's a start. >> Well, that's why you need to get it to the council so they can read it. >> You never know who's going to come back with a recommendation and be like, "Oh, didn't I think of it?" >> Yeah. So, I mean, I I really, you know,
just like to get the ball rolling and have them be instead of, you know, saying, "Where is it?" >> Do it. >> All right. So the process for that would be to send it to the mayor. >> Call John, tell him I'm sending it to
the mayor. >> I I I think the process for that is ask Mr. >> Joe Mr. Brown what you're thinking and see what he thinks about it. >> Okay. He's had it. So he's likes it. So I will ask you kick it up the ladder.
Yeah, I'll take it off the chair. >> Well, tell them that the shade tree recommends that it goes to the council. How would you like us to do that? Give it to the mayor or do would you like it to print it out and hit him over the head or you >> Why don't we burn?
>> So, I'll I'll simply I'll simply >> you might be some longer >> with the understate this is a rough >> requires more. I would put it all in >> I don't I think that's a really good idea
>> because the more people you can get engaged you may get the person that's sitting over here that's like ever thought about doing this >> well and and the idea and the idea is not to silo what shade tree does you have shere working with zoning and planning and working with the environmental commission and working
with the sweet streets people because that's where there's real state money and funding if we can do this. But the ideas that are in this plan, >> the Blue Acres one is easy. That's just labor in house and not cutting down some trees, fixing up a gazebo and clearing out some garbage. I mean, it's it's
really >> the more you can do in house, obviously, the better off you are. >> Well, now I should have said this. Mammoth County Shade Tree Commission as a functioning tree entity no longer
exists. >> Really? >> When did that go up? >> They're so environmentally friendly. These commissioners say this with all sarcas work portion of it is done. >> Wow.
>> They no longer are doing any tree work. um they are down to like three people. >> Well, that explains why things sometimes look the way they do. >> Well, it will all be done by the whomever as the state contract right now
is pecker trade. So, that's what they're using. But the good news is the person that is looking at the work that is being proposed is my contact. So, we're okay. He's already told me if you need some, email
it. Email me what the request is. You mark them the way we've been marking them for 30 years and we'll take care of. So, we're okay. But it is gone. They are selling almost all the equipment.
>> Maybe there'll be some available for >> No, no, no. >> Not for shame, but public works. I think >> Wait a minute. I just dr you. >> No. Yes, I did. If Mammoth County
>> couldn't do that in Ocean Township, you're much better off just using the state contract. It's so easy because you don't have to do the maintenance on the equipment and that he'll tell you >> I I would think they're workman's comp
would be prohibited. There's al there's only a few people that have higher workman's comp rates than tree work. >> I'm sure >> fish commercial fisherman, iron workers and bridge painters and
we're right below and it's only a matter of like 75 cents. So we're right there. So if you start having guys do in the air tree work even through the work. Bill, the one thing that you're you're a
tree guy. It's not something you're going to send a guy to a class. No. And he's going to do it. >> No. >> To be proficient at doing it, >> it's years. >> Five. >> To sit through the CTE exam years ago,
five years old >> before they would even recommend you to take the test. Well, I would like the equipment that we have paid for half of sh to be used for planting trees and
>> that's mean the only thing you can use for planting trees is that little excavator and that's a nice machine. >> That was a good purchase. That was a very good purchase because what that's going to let you do is clean out a lot of these water and the stuff that they
bought for it was designed to do that. That's good. >> Bucket truck. >> Bucket truck. >> I have another thing, Bill. Aspberry Park has a little bucket truck like Ocean does. >> Yeah. >> Their insurance company said since it doesn't have a cab protector, they
cannot use it for tree working. >> I mentioned something about putting a cab shield on that when I purchased that. Oh, yeah. That's going to be done two years ago. >> Well, that's that's what the guy told me that they can't use.
And guess who has wants to look at their >> truly um >> anything more guys doing it now >> I think we covered the various businesses that we need to do I don't see any members of
the public to comment or to entertain comments I will entertain a motion to adjourn A motion. >> I'll second. >> Okay, that was easy. >> Off the record. So, I would love to know
more about you. Where did you come from? I this is all.