okay Norm okay first thing we'll do is take of the shry commission meeting for April the 3rd 2025 colton was here remember Gordon
he is here i think he's here remember Gordet he sent a message saying he wouldn't be here remember Karns did send something saying he would be on Zoom yes he did remember Crohn here
alternate yep alternate Armstrong here and we have an empty space here on the roster which says liazison however we welcome our leazison
from the council Jeff Winston thank you thanks for having me congratulations my lucky devil thank you very much nice to be here can't wait to look forward to working with you so the notice since we have a quorum the
notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied company of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press and the poster posted town hall filed in the office of the town clerk on June 28th 2024 this meeting will be recorded and
available on Ocean Township's YouTube channel okay we have minutes people have a chance to review the minutes let's take a moment mosha can you with us you're muted so okay very
good yep i'm here okay excellent [Music] um if uh yeah let me know in 30 minutes we'll take any corrections and then we'll decide what's approve
I wasn't here but I do have a question okay um the minutes talk about the land use ordinance fee of the $350 feature for trees but since that's on private property isn't that the view of the environmental commission and of
the state tree commission so should we bring it up in the environmental commission later the question was just brought up because we're curious what was going on but I can't say that because it wasn't ups hi Jack
okay i mean motion is on so I think everything's up and running mhm so you are you trying to get on with your computer you know you can just phone in also if you call in just with your telephone call
that there should be a way to figure that out absolutely okay okay okay so um any any other thoughts on the minutes so far everyone's read them anyone care
to make a motion about it approving these minutes member Crime has moved to approve the minutes i wasn't there so okay okay well I'll I'll make a second motion motion there too so we'll
take a vote anyway i've seconded the approval okay i with everyone in favor vote I if you're not abstaining i motion minutes are good yes okay and Gordon so meeting minutes are
approved so that being said um we'll start with our first agenda item number one the tree removal applications permits and violations and also Mr brooks is here to enlighten us on that subject is everyone
together copy it okay um as you expect spring is upon us the incidents and number of tree removal permits are
accelerating um the number of single family home removals with dead disease decay dying trees remains fairly constant we're seeing more uh small
construction uh type projects on single family lots swimming pools things of that nature and as I indicated there are a couple of large projects in the pipeline one of which is the uh French-speaking church over there on uh
Asbury i mean thank you and uh colleague mayor indicated to me that that is no longer going before the planning board but it is going to go before zoning board of adjustment and I don't I can't tell you why that change
was made but it has to um there are at least two relatively large um single family home development projects that are going to occur what the biggest one is over here on Sherman there three single
family lots in there u it was in all probability a subdivision god knows how long ago you know 50 years ago whenever but those lots are in existence the permits they submitted were denied they were submitted incorrectly um they did not
come with a construction packet no grading no freehold soil so I denied them immediately there's a total of 300 trees proposed for removal the bulk of which are black locust sassifrass black cherry um there's one white oak in there
they're going to try and save i asked them no matter what save that one but I think our best bet is to get as many new trees out of them and as much money into the shade tree fund as possible because when you drive through there nothing's been done on that property for in excess
of 30 years nothing is this right off Mammoth Road yes it is there's the house on the corner and it's it has been for sale for a long time it was purchased right here right direct Sure right direct street from the municipal complex
you come out of the park you can write down a detenture okay um I it's going to be goldfish bowl we're going to get a lot of questions and which is why I've been on the site with principal and his two of his
professionals three different times and I don't know why they submitted this way i guess just wanted to get going and the builder is a builder who has worked oh this is Jack current am I connected yeah hi Jack very good Jack welcome okay
i I have trouble getting on this darn thing i don't know but I can hear you okay good okay sounds good to me oh utility nerds is proceeding you're a little behind just on
yes is there something we should be doing under this or we can't really do anything until we have appropriate file document and they have to get the construction pack and that was not done and there was some information on the tree permit that
was incorrect so I I spoke to Colleen I said I want to deny this thing there's no way we're going to accept this she agreed so we did and nothing has come back and that has been almost two weeks so it will come but because it's in a goldfish bowl we
will hear a lot about it so we want to make sure that we have all the answers first before which was how many in total of the three lots is 315 but that's all second growth there's nothing that was planted in there it's
just a jungle there's a number of trees that are on the ground it's It's horrible it's a mess so let's see what they come back with and once they do then I will tell them what they have to plant and or pay or a combination of both i'm trying to stress
on all of these applications to get down with construction give me trees back i want trees back more so than I want money this is this is on the first block yes it is actually the second second third and fourth lots on
the right hand side the south side I'm sorry so that's that's the biggest one that's going to be a problem line clearance is progressing they're doing a nice job they're clean uh they've taken at this point I think probably a dozen hazard trees down that were in our
right away that were in danger of falling and they've identified three more that are on the circuits they're doing now which are um east of Moth Road and they're you can you can see through the bottoms crawl inside of one of them so
you know this is nothing you got to worry about okay it started on in way side oh there there there's a number of circuits that they're working on and the circuits that are fed out of that substation it isn't a logical progression like you figure it would
just this is then the next one because these over here are actually fed out of the Green Grove substation which is a long way out and so but that's the way they've got it set up long as they're doing it right we're good um beachleaf neatode and the emerald ash
for the bacterial leaf source there's really nothing that has developed since the last time we spoke about it um nothing has developed like bad or nothing no nothing has what do you mean there's no good news other than what I gave two meetings ago where uh they have
a control for the peach sleep neatode which is great because they didn't think they could figure it out and the scientists at um Bartlett were the ones that found it and developed it and they didn't they didn't pack it or whatever
so they disseminated it for everybody here's what works serious how you did it which I thought was pretty fun so and I forwarded that to you did I not two months ago I think I Yeah well I have it so if we're not doing any spraying or
anything like that but I was toying with the idea of asking Mrs burkowitz if we could put it on the website say if you have beach trees and you're seeing this it's very you know a public service thing and just so the residents can call
these guys or call their professionals and treat the beach trees i think that would be good with like an information sheet on what the beach limits is the the whole thing is very well put together maybe we can put that on the sh
page that's what I'm I'm trying to get done yeah it'll be on our page but I think Tracy could possibly put something on the front page oh golly um well the concern was originally for the
American beach and we were losing a fair number of them in the western part of the township um and it looked like there was no chance and within the last year they have developed a control you can't prevent it but you can control it you
can stop it if the tree is you know less than 25% infected it looks like it'll just knock it right the hell out um if it's 50% it it is a 50/50 it's more than that you're probably better off the control is probably a chainsaw is there a is there a time
thing here meaning that if somebody if somebody had a situation and they wait No it does not ex it is a um it it takes multiple years to take the tree out right but they've been
there for multiple years in existence right my question my question was that if you put it on the shade tree site how does anybody know that that's there you put a thing on the on the you know information i think we should have a general thing any information or
questions about trees go to this or if it's a something you think it's danger urgency then you would say this is happening in Ocean Township go to the shade tree site or click here for information we'll talk to Tracy back things go on the front page there things
that go on that's what I saying on the front page have you ever you know identify a specific thing each county sher they may well be working on something like this for their
own site if somebody's already got it call them up and ask if we can steal it and just put it when a person has a sickly tree like that they know it is that right um sometimes sometimes probably not the initial onset but after a year or so they're going to look up
and see that the crown is declining the real question is where did the public know they have a beach tree we can put a picture of an American beach up there it has recognizable in most trees because the porcuses and the neat thing is they found it also works on all the European beach varietals of
which we have some not allowed but it does work so that's good bacterial scorched nothing water okay i have a question for you on trees that are marked red tape uh let me let me see Avenue and South Edge yeah just want to
know like that's um that's for the bridge that's for utility okay this surfaced it recently um so everybody knows there's a whole bunch of trees with red there's 11 trees 11 trees on South African Cories with
either in the Y either D or ours i'm not sure who is they're on township property okay um that whole stretch there everything on the link side of South Edge Mir
we determined that for sure today tracy has had me looking at this all week mammoth County Shade Tree knows nothing about it the company First Energy's contractors that are trimming our circus know nothing about it the company that
trims the subtransmission the 34,05 and there is a leg of that knows nothing about it the surveyors for French and Perilla who were awarded the original design uh study route surveying they don't know who marked them we did know
Greg Blash told me today that JCPNL has filed with the DP for um a provisional permit but we haven't been able to ascertain exactly what that is but my
best guess is looking at that bridge which was built in 1941 and those are the original peers that it's on so that's pretty impressive um which bridge this is the bridge on the end of Corley's from Ocean into Alenhurst
um it is scheduled for replacement the bridge number is 012 track it yeah i I learned a lot about that bridge um my best guess is when you look at the bridge there is some erosion at the
corner of the bridge which you would be normal because of the slope i think when they put the new bridge in that abutman I think they're going to put a return in there to tie it back into the bank to stop the er so those trees would have to come out yeah that was my guess is that bridge or the new but because they have
filed for this it's not a letter of interpretation interpretation i know it's not permit by I don't know if it's a finding or this whatever this provisional is i've never heard of the D but that is neither here nor there we're looking into it okay three to four
months before they have a public announcement on the bridge and probably at least a year before construction i did find out late this afternoon that Allen Hurst wants that subtransmission line 34,500
volt line to go underground and that is apparently the sticking point right now in this but that is secondhand and I don't want to stand on that but I was told that today from our engineer and then I called somebody in that I know in uh the
construction division in JCPNL he said "Yeah there's some discussion about what's going to happen with that line." So my guess is it's all tied into that but bottom line is we really don't know anything okay it's not just underground well yeah but they would put it right
down in they put it below the lake in the So they directionally that's how they do that so that's what that one is and really unless anybody has any direct questions for me i have a question sure with all these uh applications that are coming in
I mean some trees are getting removed some trees are getting replaced how are we tracking all of this we are trying to get jungle lasers and you and I have had this that's the that is the stumbling point that is a really user unfriendly
system we uh Colleen said what asked Kim Dalton and myself what would be the easiest way and we told her and she she has reached out to them to for them to develop something where I can just give you a monthly report this many trees
this many single family residence trees of that so many and so forth were dead disease decay dying and the three live that a resident is allowed in any five year period so It's It just isn't you would have to
literally go through and yank the permits and do it we don't have a way to enter it at this time that's what they're supposedly trying to get for us i mean it's been going on for months i could I could go do this in an Excel spreadsheet i understand that the problem is not
what to put it on the problem is to draw it out of our system which is horrible yeah my concern is that well the applications are praing up nobody's answering it and we're just going to lose track well no the applications are we can go get it property by
property in other words I can go in and pull up one 1234 Smith Street and see what we did but then I've got to write it all down then I would have there's no way I can So supposedly they're working on a fix for this look
you're a hell of a lot smarter computers than I am and I acknowledge that and that's great but right now it's very frustrating for me because I'd like to the number I'd really like to give you is how many live trees have come out without replacement right and
that is a function that's where I'm the most concerned we're losing maybe that's the wrong word we're not getting mitigation for a tremendous amount of trees that are being removed both illegally as our ordinance is structured but it'd be nice to be able to track
that and hopefully we we just really started going after him in the last four weeks and Donna Donna um Colleen has really been after him and she's very very sharp she tell her that if they don't get it fixed we're going to bring
in the bus no i'm not sure if that's going to be particularly good no what about this though so we when people apply for permits right they just come in with a permit you go out and check the trees that they say they want to take out right maybe we need to have
people also provide properties photographs of their properties so we are accepting what else came down we are accepting photographs and what I do is I use Google Maps and I I try and go back as
far as I can to see you know what it look like a year ago if I can or whatever the whatever the time bracket is well now wait a minute you this was the most clever tornado in the world because it took them all down took them off the property and pulled the stumps out when it did it or you're not telling
the truth yeah and I've used Google Street Cube for the same i I just Yeah I use everything that I have at my disposal to do that and when I walk out there I can look at piece of property oh no no there are trees out here yes you start walking
around and finding soft spots where there's some sort of So does the tree keeper app not is I thought tree keeper was compatible with it but that's right trees only right tree keeper has
anything to put in it except that We ourselves as far as what we're only we're only authorized by the state ordinance to take to work on trees in this in the township's uh perview so trees on private property are a whole
separate issue that's why the shade tree ordinance originated in the environmental commission right and so you know for residential property residential properties and everything but the shait street commission is
really supposed to just be tons of properties now that includes you know parks the schools even public land even the schools are not part of the shade tree commission's perview that's private property they own it but they are however when it came to to the survey that we were doing at the thin treeeper
we we've coordinated you know I met with them and they're they joined in to be a participant in that survey but I know what you're saying Ken yeah no I'm just afraid things are going to get
lost in Well I'm filing them differently than they were filed prior to me i make a copy of the permit and if it's got a fulls size folded up 25 by 36 survey no
I don't have the room for it but and then I file it by year and they're filed by street and then they're numeric on the street so if you know the address you can yank the permit and you can see my comments and I have a cop I have a
hard copy of that as well so not only is it in the computer if you could get it out y'all are smarter about computers than I am i acknowledge that no problem but there is a hard copy and right now I have hard copies 22 point number two we have point number
two okay the next item is to hear from the sh commission pling committee okay uh it's me so uh just to give you an update of who all we've been meeting with uh we've met with for input from key
stakeholders who would be interested in work with the trees in the township which would help us with the community forestry management plan part of the requirements to meet the stakeholders now the garden club Deal Lake watershed association Deal Lake Commissioner uh Whale Palm Wershed Association and our
wonderful meeting at Tossa uh with the Township Ocean Sewage Authority Tim the new executive director there and he's going to be providing us with a report about what he thinks uh some of the flooding issues are and where trees might be helpful um so that was kind of
that was kind of fun i think I might have been the happiest person meeting authority ever it was a very funny uh so so that was I wouldn't be complaining about that i I was I know I was it was it was it um so anyway uh and then the
uh as you know we've been working on the uh video to promote the survey that's going to be going out it will be going out through Backpack to the schools in cooperation with the uh school school district and Jeff about the survey yeah
Jeff survey and it will be going out um uh it'll be on the website there'll be a QR code on the website as well it will be uh in the newsletter that's coming out the spring newsletter with a QR code so everybody who gets the township newsletter will be able to get the be
able to access the survey so we're ready to go we'll be ready to present it to the township on April 10th the next council meeting uh the students will be presenting the video and some of the work they've done on trees they have some wonderful things they're going to
be doing um so that's kind of uh fun and I've got it up here if the screen share works if not I will use my Can you uh can you share with share the screen you did you are you have it i have it okay so let me see what I have
to do okay no it's not a little it bumped me off to it so I don't think she's sharing any I don't think I'm sharing more i'm just going to use my laptop and uh anybody who wants to see
it who's watching from home you can come to the council meeting or go to the website April 10th we're keeping up i It's challenging it's was not easy to do before unless you can reshare it with me i can't because I'm
sharing my screen with you already huh well it's it bounced off the thing it doesn't even have as an option for me to I and I think we're let's call it quits on this we'll just I'm just going to
play it for you all here at the table so you can see it and I said April 10th council meeting be there be square okay [Music] you have to dismiss yourself from the
screen [Music] sorry am I done all right let's try this again shall we here's the video hi I'm Emma and I'm Bella we're here at
Ocean Township Intermediate School we're teaming up with our local shade tree commission on a survey that will help us create greener and healthier communities in Ocean Township take our survey so we can figure out where you think more trees are needed
hi I'm Toshi did you know that trees like this one protect our precious water like we have warm springs here trees prevent flooding and we need trees to provide shade that will lower temperatures of the hottest summer trees lower carbon emissions that help us all
breathe easier trees make us healthier they clean the air we brea and they're beautiful trees are fun imagine a world without trees what would we do and having access to trees is the right for everyone in Ocean Township please
complete the attached bed your participation ensures that trees will be planted where they're in need of sun let's work together to keep ocean green for us and for future generations [Music]
have you ever done this before how was the response have you ever done a sugar like this but no I haven't done a survey like this in a town before no you know what we're expecting in response to actually it's a mystery
have you seen the survey i have not seen the actual surve I'll share it email it's the And the survey is bilingual it's in English and Spanish questions in English and Spanish and people who speak other languages because it lives in a
Google survey they have the translator or Google translate available so anyone who speaks a different language uh generally knows how to use Google translate because that's how they navigate it's sorry nice job oh it was it was really a hardworking committee uh
Angelie did a lot of work julia did a lot of work on the on the maps for the survey that's going out so people when they take the survey will be able to select where they live we use the voting maps because they line up very well in the different areas of town including the overburden communities because we
want to make sure we have a lot of uh response response who don't generally have a lot of representation from the from so basically the apartments 35 that that area when does the survey run through uh we're going to run it for a
couple of months I think is the plan try to get we're we're really going to run it as long as we can before we need to get some of the information to do the community parks so that was sort of what the committee and I have a thing I'm going to share with you that I shared with everyone a year ago that original
planning of what this committee would do remember that long document I wrote that everybody edited and thought we talked about turns out we've actually done a lot of that uh not exactly the same way but it it's we've we've the whole idea was to get engagement so that's the plan
so we're hopefully it will be an equitable um really equable representation so it's going out through the school district and school district website newspap it'll be on the newspaper um and hopefully there'll be some press at the council meeting as well sent out some press releases uh
Coaster Tri City News not edgy enough for them but uh we'll see if if people show up to listen to the fact you give me a little bullet point thing and I'll attach to the damn
story if you want well that'd be sweet sure we got something we can I'll print it up and I'll just staple it right to it they'll get four sheets instead of three and they can go to It'll take them to the Put a QR code on it the QR code well I want them to if they go to the website they can see the video and the
QR code the QR code doesn't get you to the video it just gets you to the survey we couldn't link the two of those is there something we could do to kind of post it on Facebook um it could be on Ocean Cares do you want to post it on Ocean Cares
not to stop the uh focus let's try and move on just try and cover a couple things okay well just um just one second so if we can figure out how to make part of the social media campaign that'd be great great you if you want maybe talk about that yeah yeah i can get everybody
kind of popular i'll have to ask Colleen i'm sorry for you to attach that to I think she'll Okay maybe for a little while and if not I'll call you and we'll figure a way to get it out good if I can help I'd be glad exciting
okay so so one of our one of our first projects that you have a question do something about it yes where will the video and the survey be posted which website it'll be on the front page of the Ocean Township website
and it will also be on the Shade Tree Commission page oh wonderful and also did anyone check the translation provided by Google Translate because once in a while they make a mistake well we checked the Spanish and the English
are are are embedded into the survey itself and we know that they're correct we check that all the other languages no that's going to be a Google Translate thing because we don't have that it's fairly straightforward it's not humongous but no but Google Translate
sometimes makes mistakes yeah yeah well we we uh unfortunately we don't have that capacity and the school didn't have the capacity to go beyond Spanish and English so we were relying on the school for that part of it but we do have it checked in Spanish as long as
you have a Spanish speaker that can attest to the validity of the language yes we did that's great thank you thank you okay okay so one of the projects that we were going to try and get some trees planted finally was on the terrace
two parts of the project one was replacing some trees that had died with ornamental trees like cherry trees the other was to remove a bunch of like locust trees that were a disaster you know and then put up on the um Azer Park
Circle side of the park the colonial terrace some things that will screen that park replace the dead you know right and you know and replace the few charities that have died you know you know vision so um so so far though
there's two aspects of that so we haven't actually had an official with the I believe public works is supposed to take those locusts out all the trees proposed removal have been marked mr higgins and I were trying to get there yesterday and he had to leave and then I
had to leave tonight so I will call him i'll get him out there either i'm not coming pardon me uh first of the week Monday or Tuesday anyway so so that that part of it you know they're going to do that innocent stuff where I can never remember the name always does goron
goron you put that on the stumps and they'll rot out in a way because if certain certain types of trees tree of heaven black locust if you just cut them down okay the tree will say I'm in trouble and start saying trees are from all the roots like the scar alarm will
prevent that from happening so once that happens then and you're confident that that's not happening then you can grind the stuffs and get rid of it okay it's a non-migratory woody stem herbicide It is authorized for use near water
so you're on track for test well we're not trees though we're not on track track because that's part A that's now after that we then have to get some trees in there okay and we also have to decide exactly which trees to plant as
the evergreens that we're going to plant along u the u you know circle because some people say that it'll be native trees you know but native tree doesn't mean what it used to mean in New Jersey even because there are a lot of trees that never were native but there's more
of them than there are native trees now some cases like Norway spruce is is a good tree and they're everywhere you now and that's probably a reasonable candidate to use is there one with uh eastern red cedar which is a juniper
that you know might also be and so on and so forth so we somehow we've got to decide what those trees are and get set up so that once those stumps are done you know and taking out the dead cherries we can get stuff in there we at least watering wise which was always a problem which was kept us back from
doing a lot of stuff there is a water truck that the town now owns that could go out on a semi-regular basis to ensure survival in addition to using those what alligator bags gator bags you know gator bags that they put around trees okay so
I just want to give an update that with but that's stuff we got to get caught up on we're making something resembling dry does the garland stay in the soil so it would affect new plantings no it's non-migratory it stays within the confines of the the tree root system
itself you can literally use it right next to the spring the three the 40 oil waste okay then the tree giveaways okay so historically we've given away trees uh the third grade trees started I can't
tell you how many years ago it was an environmental commission project and the giving away trees and they started greenfest we started to give away trees to the town's people you know people coming to get trees there were a couple of programs where we got free trees for both of those things for a while those
are currently dormant okay the state stopped third grade we so we're buying most we're getting seed in this you know and so on and so forth so um that being said on the April 27th I guess it is the
Sunday that's the day we're going to be at the senior center giving away seedling trees those who come from say 10 to 2 okay the garden club has offered to assist they've got some people going to help i'm hoping that some people who are within directly within the range of
my voice this and maybe eyesight at this moment also come out to help and you know so we're getting 300 trees for that project and the school system we're going to get 275 trees okay the way it's running now they'll go to the to third
graders in the ocean school system and the hill school used to but they they figured that's what show they give them so they're going to be more like the other two people that get them is the school and search day and the hill school they'll get some number of trees 15 trees or something like that so we're
getting 275 total trees and the trees I decided to order uh is the white do flower so white do seedlings we're ordering uh 375 of them 275 for the schools 100 for the giveaway the other
things we're going to get for the giveaway are 50 bay berry 50 beach plums and 50 white oak oh miss oh and 50 of a dolly pants so that gives us 300 trees that will be given away at the And the funds the cost
of the funds for these well so well Dave has already you know coordinated with the funding uh we had originally said we would we authorized up to $600 to buy trees and the the total bill for everything is $92.50
so it's coming out of what where is the money well I'm not sure it's I'm not sure where it's coming out of never left a gift check in the mouth so is it coming out of the I mean sorry is it coming out of the sh fund i wouldn't be surprised if it is you know but I'm not sure i'm still trying to get a copy of
my actual shader commission budget per se and find out what the money from last year's budget was spent on well we we have the three years i remember I gave you the three years of where the money was last year i did do all those figures but I'm just talking in general you know
to to figure out what what's going on because one of the things that our budget does cover also is which isn't that much money is our dues to this New Jersey Sha Tree Federation now let me ask this says "Anyone been getting the Sha Tri Federation quarterly magazine?" Okay
okay so when we get the form in for this year make sure you put on it comes two ways you can get it in the mail it's about yay big or you can get it in an email i think I'll get it in an email okay and I have got to admit I'm relaxing not forwarding that to
everybody but uh you'll go back and see you know the 27,000 years of booking but anyway you know but but that's worth worth getting you know sometimes it's just whatever but sometimes it's had some very interesting stuff so on the tree giveaway is everybody feeling good
about what we're doing excuse me on the tree giveaway is everybody feeling good about what we're doing i don't know anything about the trees you mentioned or Yeah we've had pretty good results we've had pretty good results with the giveaways the last few years okay uh people have taken them how well they
surviving and we tell them you know a couple of things one protect them from the deer two we even advise if they're small and they've got like a three gallon container you know you can grow it for quite a number of years till it gets a little bigger that'll be more likely to survive when you put it in the ground you know as long as you're still
protected from the deer like these days and uh I guess just generally everybody feels good about the mix of trees yeah I mean dog woods people like dogwoods and they don't like to plant big trees and dogwoods aren't really trees they're just pack we were getting
the free trees we didn't know what we were going to get we knew we're going to get three or 400 free trees when I would pick up the bag literally I would find out what trees were in the bag you know and uh so last year for example there was sweet gum trees with the balls okay we didn't give them out and there were
black walnuts another big tree that's alopathic is the magic word that means that tree inhibits the growth of other plants so we didn't give them out plus they jump w you know so but the rest of this stuff but the flowering trees always go first and just just on a
budget topic we want to do something about trying to find out do we have something that allows us to know what budget well we do i'm trying we're going to get We're going to get to that meanwhile Donna has already uh sent a purchase order to the Forest Service you
know after I placed I sent the order purchase order to follow but the purchase order has followed and uh most likely I'll be picking them up and stashing them in the refrigerator at the senior center for a few days and I'll be coordinating with
um recreation uh about getting the door you know opened on Sunday at tables and stuff like that i don't have a way of checking this except my own recollection but this is probably the 40th year we're giving trees out to third graders
that's pretty cool that that should be that is something else should be on that website recognizing pick 40 nobody's gonna Yeah that's pretty impressive yeah put your hands i still don't remember the first time the manager's conference room look like it was in a hurricane
does it does it have to be um advertised or is it just kind of a D is going to put some stuff up and the garden club brings some stuff out and Yeah and do we put it in the poster or do we put it We do put it I
believe yeah I haven't I'm not sure we'll have to check I guess in general just in general these things get an article we can give it to me and the rest of the council people we can figure out how to get it to our people and we
can kind of you know promote it that way also so that right yeah in the past the other one when we got the states trees they were good for New Jersey but we are putting that council from somewhere else are you the one who kind of puts this together are
you the one who kind of puts you need to put it together like an announcement or like it does that Well in the past years we've gotten um flyers from the state announcing the reforestation from Superstorm Sandy mhm
and I print those flyers out i put them on I I put them in town hall and then I also put them on social media okay i always put an announcement at time date and place and um what type of trees are
available okay cool and we do get it out okay cool yeah we have to look i'm looking for the things like one of the things we had when we did it the last time was we had a picture of each tree there's some information about Okay well I found out from the state I talked to Jackie Stark over there that that was
a shape what do you call the Arbor Day Foundation thing so I got to call them although I think somewhere in my computer that died recovered it missing stuff anyway the bottom line is that we want to have those same things i got to find Okay so
that made it easy when people came to see what they were making cool cool nice okay hi um I have a question yes hi my name is Mora i live in town and I'm joining for the first time sorry I can't be in person but I have little kids
um when you say like the trees for the schools does that mean they're they're like donated to the schools or they're for the school for the kids to put in the ground on the property or I'm
my kids go to Wanamasa Elementary and I'm on the gardening committee so just wondering for our interest well those the ones that go to the schools are nominally for the students to take home one one tree per student for their for
their home okay okay cool okay thank you directions that we'll share it but but poor third graders not for every grade oh of course of course yeah no I was just thinking about our gardening committee if there were trees for that but I went to the day last year and we
have we can we can utilize that too on the 27th of April we're gonna get 300 trees at the senior center that is the third graders okay anyone in town can come and get some trees yeah I got one last year thank you so the garden
committee can can come over and get trees and plant them around the school that's a great idea thank you right al also the uh I I'm assuming that the um school trees are actually
seedlings so they're easy to transport yeah everything we're doing is a seedling okay they have these things called tublings which are even smaller than the ceilings but they're out of tubings they cost more anyway so let's go to the next
okay so the next thing is the configur community forestry management plan okay so we've had three community forestry management plans in you know that we've written and put together the the other one the last one would have been done in
2019 but because of co and they were changing what they wanted to see in one of those plans everyone got extensions okay so this is the year that we have to by the end of the year submit our plan for which includes this year nomally and the next four years okay and this whole
without getting into it here this whole set of you know rules and so on and so forth that they're going to see and right now um there's also a grant that I thought I got to talk to Julia in the next meeting is because she was either going to do it or we'll get together the
council voter resolution that we could apply for the grant i believe the grants being applied for it so I believe she did it that's what I'm saying well I'm saying I'll find out i hadn't heard i hadn't heard but this is in response to the This is to pay for in response to proposals to pay for a certified um arburist who writes these plans to do
the plan right and so and so far uh I don't know if we're going to try and get any more we've got two proposals this is it this is the two proposals i mean I made at least 12 phone calls on the recommendations of professors as as I mentioned the last meeting uh the
recommendation of retros professors the head of the DP forestry Patrick uh everybody who I called was already you know someone who was known for doing a good job with these plans and towns of hiring people left and right to do this these were the folks who were highly
qualified and available does this recommendation this strong this one well I haven't officially made that recommendation but that is would going to be who I recommend yes have you talked to them another I would love to do it now because we give these people a you know we can get on their calendars otherwise
so you met them i I met with them on the phone numerous times i've talked to them on the phone um and uh they're both highly qualified uh both both people who apply yes this Elizabeth and Ted Elizabeth Stewart and Sterling who's Ted
uh they both uh are highly qualified the difference between them really is Elizabeth's a oneman shop and uh she's very busy she has another job and she does do these but every meeting with her would probably be virtual she doesn't have the capacity I
think to come down and be with us uh Sterling is a twoman shop at least sometimes 24 uh they have GIS capacity as well they have that as a sidekick they um and they're they're really excited uh they're both both would
really love to do this but I think that this that Sterling is really the sweet spot of uh big enough to get the work done but small enough to have a personal to they're not just putting our name on a boiler plate did I Did you um reach
out to Mike Lammana by any chance i did call I believe he was not available i called Bill Brash i called I called Bill Bill is now had a training at the shape and I cross referenced all these names with all of these people too i mean I
like what do you think of this one they were all very you know forward and they said yeah these are good these people got you know good references from a few people so I reviewed both of these proposals um the one from Stuart first of all is more expensive than the other
uh it also looked like just a a form that she puts together and puts ocean township on the top and bottom and that's it yeah I don't think she did that in the work but I think but also I didn't like the idea that every meeting was going to be via Zoom whereas uh I
thought Sterling was far more complete uh much more detailed and uh they they would schedule inperson meetings and uh can we uh submit that now and they they also
guarantee that that the plan they submit is going to be approved and they will continue to change it until it is approved right so I think I mean we I think given that we've got some proposals right and we're waiting I'm
not sure whether we going to wait for the grant where we're going to because we have to do this anyway under many circumstances okay so I think at least we can vote on who we want to do it with and then we have we'll figure out where things going
to come from right i thought I talked to when I did talk to Dave he thought that this was like we put out the RP knowing we're going to be able Yeah that's what I'm saying what I'm saying is but but for now I would say rather we're not going to sign a contract ourselves anyway we recommend
to date that our re region's recommendation is that we go forward with this I agree i agree that's a good choice so I'd like to move that we um go with the Sterling proposal ending the you know
we'll make the recommendation we'll make the recommendation to the township manager at this you know proposal and then you know we will find out more during the environmental commission Julia you know was applied for the grant received the grant etc
so okay so I'd like to move that we start all right all in favor mot to vote i the thing I Yeah I'm going to start doing I think there's a lot of
energy being around that room right right there i would especially encourage the lady from the school to spread the word around the schools too with the other mothers and you know that you know these people formally committ just in the hallway or something like that we
can't we can't really hear you sorry Jack you're a little too far from your mic okay is that better yes okay well I was encouraged by the by the uh lady from the school being there i think
the the next generation has got to pick up when you guys leave and right now you're doing pretty well with it uh compared to where we were not too long ago so I'm I'm really positive about it i wish I could learn to use this darn computer the other thing is uh the
working be anyway so Mora if you uh kind of grab a microphone would you forget to go home just just chatting to get other people invited and and set the tree thing should be uh paid played as a
positive for the town and for each individual who gets involved with it including planting trees in their own property i think there's a lot more energy than there used to be but I think the town council is getting more involved i think that the uh the council
is important uh Dave Dave uh your manager is the town manager is very positive about that kind of stuff so I would just say go at it you're doing a good job thank you okay all right do I have a motion you're voting thank you
yes i'll I'll vote I okay that being said we're we're preparing for our time this is always when you're having such fun you just never notice the time to close this down anyone else anyone else on the phone to
have any uh has any comments to make before we close anyone on the zooming pool or whatever okay so that being said Mr bs has moved that we adjourn
second seconds anyone i'll secondhand has moved that everyone in favor of adjourning yes okay so the sh commission is okay good night all good night
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