when Jack Hearns is here okay okay so we will try a roll call for the meeting uh Norman Colton chairman I'm here Pat cror yeah Jack Kars I think you're here Jack I see you on the screen you here say hello I I see
him okay well we'll assume he's here he's here uh Gordon I saw an email saying he was going to be here that here I guess I and Lutz will be our voting alterate
okay here and arm here okay very good notice requirements of the open public meeting for this meeting been satisfied copy of the annual notice was sent to the as Park Press the co poting for June 28 2024 this meeting
will be recorded and available Mo townships yoube channel so that's where we stand now so everyone's logged in your ma'am so would you like to identify yourself my name is Molly Walker I live in Rolling Meadows
okay so Molly Walker is here as a guest Observer and possible critic lucky okay so we start can start with the minutes which were distributed from the December 5th meeting
and a couple little things present and absent at the same time okay well that's good that's m and we'll go from there any anyone have any corrections to
anything a couple of M Corrections um I there there's no uh it's a minor thing but it says um Community outreaching programs it says no update and you should just it should
be C you know shade tree planning see maybe we should just move that under community outreach do that I mean I yeah right okay yeah that makes sense which one were you looking at there says no update under number seven Community Out
programs and that pretty much the entire update right and that you know I was thinking about that it's under its own heading on the agenda so just I'll put it under as a subing sub category well it's actually right in there already Community outreaching programs right
there on the don't have anything to say about the sub commmittee at all then no no there's a two number two it's number seven says no update just get rid of number seven yes I'm saying are we remove the stuff
about the students and everything to community out yes no it's under the sub number two it's all together under two you combine combine it all combine it all because it's a lot of okay so maybe instead
take number number I think that's good okay so the only thing I saw in the U on that was in the last sentence where it said receiving mcon discussed that teachers possib for receiving grants from DP for
work done on trees so where are you possibilities for receiving work can you speak speak a little louder please okay so for the last paragraph Yes looking at receiving grants from
be to have work done on trees in town but to get work done on trees within the town okay with the town within the town um I think it was just receiving grants from the D
for Grants I just would put the period after d so take out the W part for work just take all that out just put possibilities of receiving grants from the G take out the end of the sentence
yes okay that's good I agree with that okay and then a new array of students of of citizens um schools you know to to create a generate a new array of citizens willing to willing to to work
on the working willing to work on Ocean sri's Community Forest efforts that what's is what I meant students grow up to become citizens citizens that's right we grow
up to plant more trees then okay instead of willing to me okay who will eventually plant more trees in town M plant more trees in town assuming they stay at Town okay um okay so um the thing about the Armstrong
gave D person two address is PL where are you okay General comments on the new business say addresses for haat oh yeah and and whether uh Mary an is the
last line had weather but it should be h t auto correct Stakes again oh my God auto correct I hate that yeah my phone that you know I'm not too fond of what they do there
you okay so those are on that I had um does anyone else have any other comments anyone care move to accept these minutes as so let let's move to amend
them understanding right haven't been in six years okay has been here recently member konheim will second that all in all in favor or not and not abstaining you hear me yet
okay yes Jack thank you you're very low I can't turn anything up an ey you said yes okay I miss probably the evil eye okay so we can then start to address
the agenda so since Mr Brooks is here and I understand from the previous comments that he has other things that he has to get do it quickly you can please tell us whatever your stuff is going to be much
long tell us whatever you would like to tell us um first energy jcpnl has started their annual circuit trimming in town they started Monday it is the circuits out of the Green Grove substation which
for all intensive purposes are from Pound Road West to the limit of the township and essentially the length of Green Green Grove Pound Road found green gr um they have identified 13 trees that they would like to take down I've been
able to look at all of them and yes they need to come down they're dead are so far gone they're never going to come back and some of them are on bound opposite kis KK and moar in that area they're um Norway spruce are right on
the roadway and they're just declining they're they're definitely in a Township right away we tried to get it done last year when they were in town but they would have just put it in a pile and the township would have to clean it up I said if we wait a year and it was safe enough to do it so they'll flush them
off to the ground because they do not grind stumps and then they'll take everything away so that that's good and they estimate their time to be between two and three months to bending on to complete the circuits it's not just the
the primary circuit runs down U bound and Green Grove but then you've got all the small side streets essentially to the west of those two roads where there is a fair amount of underground in there but anything that's above ground will be
addressed well certain sections of if you go all the way down to the end yes but there are some sections but that's what they're doing they estimate two to three months my guess is closer to two to three as long as we don't get the ground you know covered with snow where
they can't they do anything East no no because that sub that circuit was was that circuit was done last year other bound Green Grove I'm just trying to I just want to see a
m so so bound so do we know of any hazardous trees that on east of bound that we want them to possibly take well they that was last year but we had a lot of bad weather this is this is how they work if there is money at the end of the
contract they will entertain coming back and doing it this is their policy I have been told by other Foresters that are working for them that money is tight this year that that's the company line if we find something that's really bad
sure I can throw it at them I'll be glad to but I there're two out there we're going to address a Township um say we we have to do we have to do it no yeah no I'll try
there's no reason not to have them do it on their nickel we're all ban up for electric right so uh the company that is doing it is a line clearance company but they're I have never heard of them the
sto line clearance um I think what it is is another company like gilbertt where we're going to recognize an awful lot of the people who are working for that's what typically happens when these line clearance companies shut down at the end of the contract and they lay everybody off
whoever gets the the next year's contract the same guys go to work for them so I have not met any of the foran yet but I'm sure I'm going to know at least one or two of them so I'll watch them for a while make sure they're doing good Cuts you know Proper Cuts I know
full well you can't make a perfect one every time in every tree but what I don't want to see is a tree full of L Cuts they're going to have to come back and fix yes sir I was going to ask what happens if they had recommended this is
hypothetical a that a tree be removed and you said no no um if there's anything this is all hot primary they're trimming most of is 48 there there's some 12,5 what what is that Vol voltage L
voltage on the line so in other words when you break but when you break one of those lots of houses go out instead so they're very I tend to I tend to be a lot more liberal in
terms of fighting a removal when it has to do with power Interruption especially if we might have to come back and contract somebody to do it since they're essentially all in our RightWay no but they don't cut down every tree that's under the line they'll trim some of them sir of all the trees that are in this
they have identified 13 of which I think five or six were in that run of those uh norways that I identified last year and it would have cost the township money if we did it last year and they weren't that close to being cut them down today so they're
going to do it now they'll clean everything up and we the township doesn't have but they identified 13 but what if you came along and said no no the the you know two of these trees are not in bad shape um I mean they probably got a tree expert well it's I'm marking them out yeah well
they what typically happens is the utility companies put X number of spans out for bid spans being the polls so from pole whatever to pole whatever that's not what I'm asking well no but I'm trying to explain to you how they do
it then they have someone go out and Survey the trees and they are normally highly qualified um but if there was one that was a good shap and they wanted to take it down rather than pruning it would be very involved easier for them
to get it out of there I I haven't done it here but in other municipalities I work where I have done it and said no you're going to prune this one we want to keep this one and they have agreed so are they going to contribute to our shade tree fund they don't have to Unfortunately they do not have I know
they don't have to but are they going to why is it an unreasonable I have never been able to get but they're actually cutting down trees so it's not like it's some we might cut down next year they contributed it's not like some property
own but anyway but Bill did say that he looked at all the trees he thought they all had to go yeah I agree evaluated them as they all got to let me ask you a question of these areas where we want to plant trees here planning strips about that wide they never should have been put in there in the first place right
that's so so so I'm it is problem but it's 13 trees every time every time we take down a tree I foret these are these are trees that are dead to C disease dying understand but also
that we we want to keep our canop so these are dead every time any tree dead disease di Patty but you have to realize in our town almost any tree in the town right over away that comes down is not going to get replaced in the town's right can I can I finish what that's not
what I was saying what I was say that I would love for us to be tracking if in the dav's treee keeper or in one of the apps we have where trees are coming down so we can keep track of how many trees we're losing so we're talking about what we want to plant we also know of a
running record of how many we lose for whatever reason wherever we need to put them I think that can be done and what I have asked them to do is is like every couple of weeks send me an update of the the dead dead Hazard trees that
they have taken out and when they find more they're going to send me an update um as to so I can go out and look go oh how did I miss that yeah sure fine um the person who is doing the planning and
layout for him has been she's been very very responsive if I call her and leave her a message it's that day or first thing of exp I just want to master Li manying down well keep we discussed this a couple of years ago keep track of every single that's
why we out treee keeper is not that good at that the one to treat you was not that good I spoke to the guy today as a matter of fact he trained us and everything you know and I said what's the story I says so if you take out a tree I said what we take out a tree he says well you can mark it down you take
it down and it's a history for that site of some sort but if you actually remove the site like it becomes a vacant site and you actually remove the vacant site then you lose that history okay but you can't mark it down to a stump or something make other notes and you can plant there so if it's an area that
survey got go into it a whole bunch of even if we can't get this this particular area on treee keeper I would love for us to you know have access to and have you know the information on all the trees that come down any there to do more because anything that
he's talking about now none of that's in tree keeper because we never got um cross 35 I'm not I have to I have to I have to look on map what we're talking about now is all
west of 35 um it's actually west of 18 um that was just a general question just like I think let me talk to Steve Higgins
because the tree that are coming down in right away actually Steve is the one that solicits the quote for it and he may already have that and knowing how
organized he is let me ask him okay great and he can bring that to me he's on our committee so we can talk about it to I mean that may be it may already exist and I'm just not aware of it but I will find out that's
easy enough okay thank you no problem all right so just and just the um how have there been any applications in recent months or two
sounds like we're not getting too many that you're getting to come down um from Thanksgiving till the end of the year it was very slow in that translates you know the holidays people have funds
allocated for the holidays and they don't do a lot of that maybe two to three permit a week and I would say last month that was probably very close I mean I know one week I didn't have a one and they have been the Single Tree dead tree
removal and uh I'm talking residential no construction and occasionally the three live trees or multiple dead trees but okay it's all all stuff that is delineated within our ordinance that is pered accurate construction has been
slow but we are starting to see an uptick in that just from my conversations with the construction office as to the number of new sets of plans that are coming in the one large one that is still outstanding in town is
the French speaking Church which is that's a lot a lot of trees they are small the bulk of them are evergreen Pines I think I think they're actually PCH Pine they're small but they it's a
forest and where where is that it's on Asbury Avenue it's between C Spring Road and B correct on the nor side of yeah just it's justar a called Sharon
Drive and it's just west of Sharon conru but that will also be under the land use law in terms of Permitting because it because it's going it's actually going to the zoning board now right um but it's still is covered under
land us one for one replacement uh 4 in uh calber and then a payment of 350 which everybody is in agreement with any Administration that they want to move at to S I know sir all I can do is suggest and
get them to agree but I can't I can't make them I'm not telling you I'm telling oh no no I I agree with my third year for saying that but the people that need to push it within the framework of the township
agree that it's not necessary so hopefully it'll be much sooner rather than down the road so do we know how many trees they're going to remove I believe it's roughly 300 so that would be a significant they did indicate and this
is only me meeting notes that I've read I have not been at a meeting they did indicate that they do want to plant a lot of new trees after construction and nothing has ever been done with those trees they've just GR on there and I know they're still part of
the infrastructure and everything else no maintenance it's full of poison ivy and green prior God help the guys that have to come that I don't want to go in there but that's that is the largest construction project that's pending and
then there's a storage facility that's going to go on uh is that prel road up there on the top oh oh up in there up in there technically the technical address is Suns is that what they want to do there this is the set of plans yep that's
going to involve between the fisherman Source yeah expand thater exp that let me do this let me do this if you can call me tomorrow morning I appreciate it sure I'll let him go
and but I also notice permits fees we're still fighting the same battle with the court it's a misdemeanor they don't show up no they don't show up they don't have to show up because the AG and the
governor said no no bench warrant on Mainer so we have no Lage leverage on the offenders but what we have found out is new construction and the prosecutor thinks we can do this they don't pay their fine they
don't get their seal that's what we're going to try so that's I suggested it and his eyes lit up he said that's not a bad idea let me run it up the channels and that was uh I believe right before Christmas I all
show on us could we do something like this and he thought that's a good idea so we may have a little backend leverage because if they have new construction and the CEO has died to a mortgage well
yeah I'm just trying to think outside the box because we're getting beat I'm surprised that there's finds you can get a COO think that's part of the conditions having built in this town and knowing what has to be met before you get that's not one of the things they
look at currently because it's a misdemeanor but we're working on it okay make you wonder yeah absolutely um I think that's all I've got the golf course is planning to to
continue their program that they started last year getting Hazard trees out and the work that they did last year I would say got rid of meal no well we respons yep and when I wrote
around with them last week I was surprised at how much better it looked after one year of the maintenance PL so this is working the trees that we identified to be both class one prune and had the the company that takes care
of the course of the township do some fertilizing you can already tell the done so it's working well but I'll I'll give the guys on the golf course all the credit for that they asked me to look I said yep and you want to take this one this one this one and this Supply so this is
working so you're maximizing your asset which is good unfortunately I have another meeting I've got to go to in Red Bank so if anybody has a question see you thank you all right everybody stay healthy you too oh the other thing is when these things
start to Leaf out the spring if you're driving around and you see a dead tree something bad get it to Norm so he can get it to me I try to look every time I'm on the roof be safe if you see an address great or if it's you're on this street and you get across street I'll go
find it because we are trying to be proactive about low hanging county is going to do um deal heel Road from this Street to Logan they're going to elevate to 1464 so we don't have to pay for that are we
looking at and tracking the Davies which D part which already has outline the trees that they have some of them they miss some of them okay so we are coordina I'm going to try to but two of the ones that I found are way worse than most the ones I saw these are ones that
could could go could go so we want to get them first and you're going to be probably one of the guys that's going to get a request for PID because those addresses have gone to public works but we're trying we're trying to get ahead of it so we can get it to where you can
go like this Mr Higgins is a complete agreement that there needs to be a line item in the budget for shade tree trimming and both right away and I know they haven't but they're he's
going to push for it I don't want to tell you what the number was that he picked out of the air uh because I don't want to speak for him but we were both let's say the field guy and Steve we
were very close Dave tree the Dave tree report has oh I bet they do and if you've ever had Bartlett or Davey work for you you know why that number was like that well we also know historically what we spent three years ago two years ago
last and so we know where that has been we haven't been spending and where just out of the shade we know what went for tree removal and how much that was and we know how fractional that is on tell Tales out of school this Township with the size of it what road mileage it has
the 112 point something road miles but you have to double it both ways on both sides so we have essentially 225 road miles that takes uh 35 and 18 out of the equation their state right and the county roads 35 and
18 and Route 71 is noren [Music] State yeah one side one side and the county has and the county all that stuff yeah all the county and state roads you take them out we get down to 112 I think it's
1379 or something we took it out when you do the $1000 a month it's $250,000 that would be to do them all so if you take a 100 Grand and you start with that after two
years you're probably going to be down in$ 35 to $40,000 a year line item the first two years are going to hurt but once you get ahead of it then you can keep well that more than that last year that doesn't even count trees and parks
it also well fortunately now with the truck the new truck and there's a couple of guys in the parks in the public works that have had tree experience working for a tree company I've watched the cuts they're making they're doing and G back
this up they're doing a good job in ter terms of pruning the tree correctly so they're not harming the tree so the tree Will C us over and continue to be healthy um they've asked questions I've gone out now I don't want to do there first thing truck over here so if that
gets but they're asking the right questions so I think that uh that's going much better than I thought it would after only a little more a year so if we getting anyal training well that has that has been
mentioned I did go out and stress safety with them when they first started look that's the most important yeah absolutely we start like this we like Reon reason why they couldn't go to well this has been
discussed yeah technically yeah they haven't had it they signed it never happen Steve wants to create a shap department and that would mean more personel you know be able to go out this and that's why they have the equipment frankly because you didn't buy they
didn't buy this equipment to look at it I wouldn't look at doing too much hope they can do the that truck was purchased specifically so they couldn't reach the energized well no hey that was the only
thing I suggested to him when they talk about purchasing a truck make sure you stay under the primary because that's that's that's the one that will well that's the one that will kill you you get bit by house current yeah it
hurts but you're going 60 cycles per [Music] second on that lovely note it's nice to see you all the county shade tree doesn't have any help right now they
have they're lucky even get a one crew out so you how many guys are down I think they got eight total maybe less Yeah couple guys are no they got they went from 32 to six 32 to six where did the other guys
go they wer starting they can't County can't go near energized conductor has to be subed out starting wage for sh tree over there is under 40 I think less than
that let's try and find nice to see you all anybody has questions get them to nor get them to me I'll get you answer as quick as I can thank you very much good okay so next on the agenda is the patri commission planning
committee okay I sent everybody I sent everybody a copy of the survey and I sent you all I sent you all the videos all right good that's what I got yeah we're g talk with the students and figure out which they want we also have
someone who can edit her name is Sarah Galloway she's on Garden Club and she documentarian want to service she can have access to all the ra data and we can and who's going to see that who's
gonna see different so one of we have how's that going to get prom how's it going to get used okay so one way it can be used is on the on the sh website for informational purposes this is what you know kids in O Township work with shap
wife we'll probably put a long one for them uh the other one way a short version is going to be used uh in a in a text message as part of a text message for the survey that's going out for the school backpack and the check message service the guy who does what's his name
the guy who does all the U Town responsible for the town um Township TV stuff Tom R yeah Tom R said he would put stuff out and and do that we can uhh any you know we put is
everyone in town going to get that surve we're going to try to have everybody get the surve they will get some video the surve they'll get a short version of the video saying Hey trees are important The Sur but no one's going to sit is this something they're going to get
sent to them or is this something that we're going to ask people to find on the town's website it's going to be both it's going to be both and we're going to try to find a way to get it out in any way possible so one will be through the schools everybody that's a student in school will get will get it
automatically so that that'll be pushed to the families pushed to all the families and then uh will be on the shet website and then I was told that there was a a a town newsletter or Town something that goes out that it can be put on that uh people want to put I
wonder if we can get it on Ocean cares yeah we can put it on Ocean cares um and it's so the the um we just want to make sure it's yeah everybody who answer is actually so what else has the uh what else have you got other than that survey
the thing um and then one of our committee members is researching all the possible grants that are available for uh you know that we can can perhaps utilize uh and it's also fortunately the school that's discovered some new grants too so we can hopefully keep working
with students on different things but one of the grants is uh for instance the uh DP has a um forestry management plan writing Grant so it enables apparently that's been open for a long time I was looking at that it turns out amazingly enough I got an email saying that
they've accepted our financial report then I sort of sent that a thing of saying where do we get our money and then Ricky Garts told me we got our money so the amount we just turn out we made one small error when we did the grants we didn't notice that you were R it to
$5,000 for supplies they gr which turned out to be the money we're paying for the sheeper for the additional years so unfortunately if we' known that we might have been able to change the way Bill got written up so so we paid was 6250
and we would could have spent five so we actually had to pay 1250 of Town's real money in addition to you know all the volunteer time and everything which cover all the other costs and we got to but we did get to check for everything
else back um let's say a week ago so now we're so that particular Grant is done and and then when I went on to the sage site it had a list of available grants which I ran out of I was going to but I'll send it out to everybody one of
them was the cfmp thing well we got it that's on got it on the agenda here okay so the ocean T of cfmp which was originally we had one and then we had professionally put together one and that one was good for
five years although we when it hasn't year on it turned out to really be for six years the way the numbers ate up that wasn't quite right but bottom line is that then they finally gave us it's because of Co and a million other reasons because they were changing the way theyve been to do things and all that sort of stuff it's just new now so
our actual plan is going to have to date 2025 on and it's not due to be sent in until the end of 2025 but we want to try and beat that of course it really includes 20225 as one of the years you know as opposed to the other one we had sort of
included five years after the date of the year so that was a little B and and I've got to take a look because you used to have all these various items that you had to say how does this fit this whatever they called CSI C SP or C I can't remember what it
was for you know but these little things that say you're going to do this you're going to do that and I that way it did relate to that like you apply for a grant you had to say how did that relate to you know all those kind of things so the bottom line is though that we've got that plan now to get so it's a
combination we had an old plan a lot of stuff that would go in the way the want the plants now in is in the JB report and so on and so forth and Patty thinks maybe we find someone to put it together or not I always felt I know we we just never get the time to do it anyway so
that's a good idea but we want to at least sit down at some point maybe have a mini maybe if we call a special meeting no one's going to want to show up to to join us at this special meeting uh to go over what we have and figure out exactly what you know look at what are the new rules what if we have and
then we can make write something up to go out and get try to get um well part of what the sh planning committee is doing I think that was what we talked about doing thises like this was going to help this process we're gather the data trying to gather the data we need
to be able to find out what we would tell someone that we need in our new plans for trying to get a grant to the tree count or and find out what tree count information well for example we actually had got a quote from Davy for tree can we're trying course that was
one of the options that we didn't have money to do we know we could we at least have an idea but someone like baby would try to for c yeah we do know what that would cost but we're trying to get some don't pay for it I'm just saying but at least that's we have that as a baseline we have as a baseline but also we're
doing the community outreach piece which is an important part of any uh D forestry management plan now that they require that also we need to have that information coordinated with the overburden communities which they ask for as well so that's why the survey has
this map in it because that's the voting map but if you look at the voting map and you look at where the over bird communities are the GP they very closely and you can kind of go yeah it's there without asking people that are backed breath which is basic they can just pick
the zone and then we can get an idea from the community piece the Tre count going to do it so we have to have that information before we can decide what we have four zones like we have sanitation it's they're they're cut up different we looked at the different maps and the sanitation zones are too broad the
voting map zones there's more of them and they're more specific so you can really see these are where the departments are this is West you know this is West it just makes you get more information 16 districts
it's voting districts or 17 I live in 17 but I don't think it's 1 through 17 in Ocean Township I think it is I think it is on the map have that many no we went from the map it was this year all
right Det we're we spent a lot a lot of time on what we talked about there okay so let's talk about Colonial terce okay Colonial Terrace I did mention some stuff to Steve and I think he's going to be talking to Bill but there are two aspects of that project right one aspect
is that some of the cherry trees that were around all that Park area over by in that park near um the aser um some of those cherry trees are dead shape so they they would be removed and they wouldn't just be ground
so the stumps of those would come out because we'd get some more cors on cherries to PR that's sort of that's sort of one part of project the other part of the project they would be replaced not just removed replaced they may be added correct and maybe even some additional ones put in that that's part let's call that the ornamental prod
project then is the part that they were interested in which was blocking as best they could um the circle from the part okay and there are a lot of locust trees out there also that are in really bad shape they going to build the idea is to sort of cut them down but the stumps
he's going to treat him with something I for what he called yeah you know that but that's got to sit there for who knows how many months and theoretically the idea was for the town's people to do that take them down and then do that
stuff and I think he he' been hoping it would have been done so that over the winter even that stuff yeah kind of but nothing's by now nothing's happen with that so I told I asked Steve Higgins to get together with Bill but I I'm not sure where where that went but we
certainly want to get those things done forget any of the cherries just get yeah I thought that would have been one on Steve's Dance by right correct it is it is as far as I know but I just don't know where it stands but we definitely want to get those Locust out of there treated and then we have to wait before
we can do certain things and it's still we we in the meantime we can decide when they are ready and maybe there's a couple spots that are ready we figure out what we're going to put in there you know now aspect for that as Jean said if they're done now maybe in the fall' area there's two aspects what you
put in I know some trees everyone says we should only put in native trees and so on and so forth but it turns out even the state now recognizes there were trees that if they weren't native they are now for example like Norway sprues are everywhere you know unfortunately the most invasive tree in the country
the Norway maple is everywhere everywhere okay but so we're not going to put in anything of that nature but some of the Evergreens block with in addition to having just you know what they called Eastern red seedar which is really a juniper which is a you know native plant and so on and so I mean
remains to be so we can't plant this well they're talking with those Locus trees trying to kill the roots maybe just the problem with loc the problem with Locus trees is and I saw this actually
happen they had a Locus tree a Locus tree got cut down were two dead Locus and one was dying so we cut down three Locus trees and all of a sudden there were little Locus sings coming up every now as it turned out I was they were little thin things coming up and they had leaves on them and I sprayed them
with Roundup and it actually killed them so that but that's not what you want to just be doing you know for right so the treat the idea is if you treat them with this stuff they don't put out these suckers the same thing's true with trees of Heaven tree of Heaven is another one of those trees that's a nightmare with that that you have to do something so
but none of the trees that are new trees that need planted are far enough away that's I'm not sure I think it's a combination of some are and some because once those stumps are actually done maybe they'll be taking them out too once they know they're not going to get anything coming out from
them and then that would be a spade so we need a timeline of some I'm just saying so I'm just pointed out now to try to keep us moving because we've got home okay so tree giveaways last year we had two kind of tree giveaways we had tree giveaways to towns people okay that was a 10-year program that was done
where we got free trees most of it was from the National Arbor Day Foundation and someone so for from the state Nursery was growing them and putting them out that program is over okay then there was the program they had for several years where third graders got free
trees that program's dead okay last year was that program is dead last year and we were able to get seedlings we got um uh what's called Black Gum but it's not like a you know sweet gum Black Gum is a movatic ceilings from a nursery in South Jersey
that I found that was pretty reasonable okay and that's what we gave out to the third graders last year let going see what they've got this year the nursery itself the tree nursery itself now which you pay for um I brought in one thing they have tuings okay and the list of trees that they have for tubings some of
which we might not want but they have Atlantic White Cedar northern red oak which Bill tells me has all kind of disease dis ises Chestnut Oaks White Oaks yellow Woods which is actually one of tiny seedlings I got is actually kind of a nice tree and hemlocks what are the
cost of the tubings the tubings vary each box has um look 30 ceilings so some of them are $100 a box some of them are $75 a box so that's like 250 a tree or so to $3 a tree now they used to have them for less and the true ceedings these are
tubings though the true seedings are probably be less they're going to have a list of seedings also but that list isn't out yet and that Nursery though they only charging like a buck and a half two bucks they had better prices than in state Nursery but AR the two blings easier to
handle well they're easier to handle but when we got the things and bundles and everything else um at the schools okay uh the schools took they G we gave them packages of them and they took care of them um okay Pat Sullivan Pat his first
name at the high school yeah he he uh got this like last year I wasn't even going to be around I forgot what the situation was was and the nursery delivered them s them to him at the school and he he got rid of them and and the years before that they would do that the hillo school usually participates
but last year's third grade type of thing was right in the middle of Passover and they were closed so we didn't do them but I'm thinking which we've done in the past this year maybe we'll do I see I looked when when Arbor Day is it's Earth Day and Arbor Day is three days after that the 22nd 25th or
something like that and it's in between Passover whatever's going on so I think they so we might them third and fourth graders and then we give the search Day program and the shck school for the handicap kids over by WS um they only want about 15 trees of
some commun so the third grade trees wound up being around 350 to to 400 something depending on who's involved you know and um but we probably we may have to pay for those this year and from the town one way or another and
the same thing is going to be true for when we get C away which I have to see what the story is especially when you want to do the you know there's certain dates that were very critical when you were getting from the state um we'll have to figure out but birthday is on a Friday and that
Sunday after that would might be a good weekend I'm talk to the Garden Club people and and they're always helpful and go for okay so that's where the giveaways are okay um treekeeper itself um I don't know I was going to go check actually I
spoke to the guy today to see and way I can tell who actually actually ever logged in you know and so on and so forth and the train but we've got the training and they've changed the way a few things are that are similar to the training but some of it may not be exactly like if you go back and the training
everything but you know there's a whole bunch of things so this basically they said right now if some we just put it up so people can just go to the website they can only see right now today the basic people can only see what the tree is you know and a few other things
however if we wanted to put other parameters that relate to those trees could get them to change those parameters on the basic thing okay but the next step up after that is when you have to log on okay that's the very next step up after that and some of it you
can log on just to be able to read anyway then you can edit things and then you have admin which is where I would I have that where you can you know give people a password and some like that so we need to uh get our act together a little bit better on that you know and
go forward but at least um the guy answer the phone you got questions you can call someone ask for help uh if you're doing anything on Tre people and that's part of what we've paid for so when you say we need to get our act together is there anything in
mind that we can do actual things we can do individuals and commission or anything he wants well first I think let's do this let's everyone make it a point if they can if you got the email and you never really had set up a personal account with your own password
get that over with okay and then just go in there and look around we've got and I'm going to send out again I'm also going to try and send it to the council and Dave Brown and everyone else a training video and make sure they've got an account that I who I gave an account too and so on and so forth and let
people see what this is okay in the meantime we can let's say maybe within say another month we'll put something on the we site this is this is what treee keeper is and you can go and look at things and and then we can always find out we can ask people what else they would like to see and maybe there' be
some of the parameters you know the Hazardous trees the one trees and I was a little hesitated about it especially it says it's a hazardous tree Beyond because we're trying to get to them but we don't want to sort of panic either you know so and then again we don't want
anyone to get hurt by a tree I also you and Bill is doing a good job I think that they're progressing pretty good about the trying to take care of those things Jean had a few that he identified which I understand one's gone the other
one's still there see now I asked bill just yesterday he thought he said two things to me one he said he thought they were both gone and even thought you were the guy who took him out I one of them but the other there so hum me humor me me since he
told me that no I was going to bring that up today I was going to bring that up today but he he had to go in his hum humor me if you can give him a call yeah and say I brought it up saying that hey they're gone and you took him out Jean and you could tell him no this one's
still there so that way he can get take action on that okay I'm just saying whatever this way um hopefully you you'll know that he was ratted out as it would
M okay then then we have okay so those are the things that within General considering that you know we've only got a few minutes left so I ask our guests who had already forgotten your name remember but I remember you from ring Meadows that yeah Molly Molly what are
you you're not old enough to remember Molly Goldberg are you I dated Molly Goldberg my married name um I um well just wanted to come and um I'm on my board at Rolling
Meadows and I wanted to come in and I'm I'm in charge of landscaping and trees well trees and irrigation and so uh there has not really been a program there and so I'm trying to figure out what the shape tree commission can do for us and what what we need to do for
the Shak tree commission everybody complaints about per you know having to pay for permits and stuff so well you guys are exempt from permits you know yeah one of the things it's always kind of confusing one of the things that's
odd is people think the Sher commission has responsibility for things like there's a tree ordinance and so for home owners right but in reality the sh Tre commission is only responsible for trees that are part of the townships property
okay okay that's that's why things along the roadways which in the FR right of way and Township property and and even the schools were sort of different from them but we've got a we had a stre survey and we've included
them in so so forth and they they I think we can work with them but so we so you know there were ordinances that relate to other things the regular the tree preservation ordinance now that might
relate to you some way but that's what we ourselves even though we care okay however there's one problem in town that have to figure out a way to do and I know freehow Township is doing this okay most of the tree the townships right
away where all these horrible trees are stuck in between the curve and the sidewalk and everything that's basically our right away you take a street you take off the part where you can't don't want to plant a tree there anymore you take the sidewalk off and there maybe in my house there's a foot and a half count your property on my side of the side
right right but we want to have trees on fre line streets the only way it's going to really have to happen in my is on private property okay now in Freehold Township I spoke to some sh Tre guy there and I only found out about it because someone I used to work for who lives in that town when we get to lunch
something he told me he has some trees plant on his property that sh commissioner I said what do you do because people here talk about you have to have an easement and all this other stuff has come up and things he says we don't have any of that stuff he says it just is they they they I don't know sure
what the rules are that they have there but basically you say you want some trees they come and plant the trees they stake them and and then and then you're you're been the T now I guess he may agrees when he getting trees they they're not just having a program okay
but they are responsible them it's like it's their tree they're supposed to now maintain that tree okay but that that's still that's that's pretty that's a win-win for everybody if we can get something like that to happen you know and uh we even did something like that where we actually have a small a major
problem now when Aline and Pine and some of the other in that area of course we went to all these houses we spent hours walking and asking find out who wanted trees in front of their house and we planted them between the curb and the C so now those trees which we didn't have a program to limb them up or anything
okay are a major Hazard to traffic okay and they're gonna have to we're gonna have to and I think the guys that you heard talked about who have their own truck now and everything I think that's going to be some the first going to be in fact I saw we have to get continuing education unit one of the
continue education units I saw was very interesting they had a tree they showed this tree that was a pretty good sized tree maybe a 3 4 in TR was way up you know maybe 16 18 feet tall right and the guy said every single Branch you see on that tree and it had a good structure
and everything it's going to be gone when that tree is mature it's going to be that all those branches are going to be gone when that tree grows up tall enough to be a street real true Street tree every Branch up to 15 20t is going to be gone so he said every Branch you see is going to be gone
before that you know at some point in time even though it looks like this and we planted trees just like that and we didn't do any of that it was only after I saw that I said oh yeah we certain screwed that one you know the students of what their teachers and they
want to do present the council meeting so when I dat okay so so mol I'm Glad You Came left any time didn't even zoom in right I've seen them before but it was hard for me
to it and uh and maybe course I've driven in there and stting it's all 20 years old now so they just need to care same thing you need to have a maintenance program they don't
that which will help preserve those things fut yeah it used to be it used to be managed by the uh the our contractor first 15 years was managed by the the Builder and now it's managed by the the
town or the the association but really the trees are on the um resident property so they're their trees they have to well all the trees can't be but I mean is you got roadways well all the shaped what we call them bouard trees I
don't know why they call that Boulevard trees and those are um the respons you got Ln wooded areas right right should be checked for should be checked for hazardous trees because people probably walk through they don't really it's more it's
more a problem of them falling on people's houses so I've gotten rid of some okay anyone anyone have anything else to say I'll move it hey Steve wants to get out of here patyy said she does
too and I assume we