I'm here. Can I have? This is Jack. >> Hi Jack. >> This is the October 9th meeting, 2025 meeting of the Ocean Township Commission. Notice requirements of the open public meeting. This meeting have been satisfied as copy of the annual notice was sent to the public press and
the posted in town hall and filed the office of attention clerk on June 23rd, 2025. This meeting will be recorded and available on YouTube channel. Take a roll call. Chair Copen, that's me. I'm here. Members Tinheim
>> here. >> He's not here. Gordon Currens >> here. >> Armstrong >> here. He's not here. And he is on to the
council council. Thank you. He's here. Okay. And member Gordet is here now. Oh, so we're good to go. So, we have minutes from the meeting of September 4th. And I want to thank any comments for
that. I have a couple of comments myself. >> Okay. Um, one question terrace tree planting. We talked about garlons to prevent the growth and it says step already completed. It's set by Joe Brook, but you didn't
collect. >> Well, they don't have anybody who has a license. I still have my license. >> Okay. That's long time. >> Okay. So, maybe that's something we should be taking. >> We don't have anybody. >> Okay. Anyway, and also has worked I
might add >> on the paragraph about responsibility for writing away trees under there I cite an example from freehold burrow actually the um so it's actually the town was freehold there was the township freehole township that I was that I
spoken to people from and and where it says stakes the tree you could add on the resident's property those trees that they're providing are not in there right away they're actually on the property of the homeowners when they plant the trees even though the state tree commission is
paid for and planting the trees. Okay, so that said, we have a motion from anyone to >> and Armstrong and seconded. All in favor? Hi. >> Hi.
>> Okay. Can you switch for your proof? >> Yes. >> Just say yes. >> Okay. So, let's start as we usually do with Mr. Brooks and tell us about things in
your purview. Power company's out of here till next year. I have no idea. Start a service. That was um residential tree permits in terms of non construction. They've slowed down some as you would expect them to because
our transient population has moved north. So, we're not seeing that much. We are seeing some swimming pool type construction removal permits. Nothing with massive numbers of trees. However,
three of the larger projects that Random Pipeline has started the center lot over here on Sherman uh number 415, they have been allowed to clear that lot. They wanted to clear everything at once and
said no, clear them one at a time. um we got very many more replacement trees than was actually required given the number of trees that were taken down. Um
the vast majority probably 75 to 80% of them were in such bad shape you could contest them as being dead disease decay dying hazard. They were mostly second growth black cherries, black locust, Norway maples,
which is our number one deciduous invasive. So we maybe would have ended up with 50 trees. We're going to end up with over a 100. >> Nice. >> So that was a win. >> A lot of Well,
>> not the one lot or all three. Well, no on this one because they're instead of using our varieties, I got them to use >> the European orbee. So, we're getting deciduous trees. >> They're planting some different
ornamentals, which will be good. Give us more diversity. They're using a type of uh tree huh tree hydrangeanger, which I realized that I knew the species from a bank in Little Silver, and I was like,
"Oh, that's a beauty." So we got a number of them and they will all be 3 three and a2. >> So that is a that is >> well they the option is one three three and 1/2 or two two and a halfs if they're willing to put the bigger ones
in and those trees move. Well, why don't we take them? >> How large? >> It was not a subdivision. recently at some point it must have been a subdivision because there are three parcels there that are going to be
developed. >> This one lot that you're talking about dimensions >> off top of my head I don't know because normally I don't see that it is a reasonably good size lot in terms of frontage the depth is not it isn't
overly deep. I'm going to say 125 by 100 >> less than an acre. It's less than >> uh Oh, it's less than an acre. So, we did pretty well. >> Um I did one make one mistake >> in my lot, not >> because I let them start in the middle
and now I realize depending on their construction when they do the other two lots, they may have some issues with trees falling. Uh that one's on me. I didn't think about it until it was too late. Um, but the company that did it
did a very good job. They did have a couple of trees go onto the lot immediately west. I said, "You got to get them out of there." They were gone that day, chipped. So, I said, you know, it's going to be a little more difficult. And they didn't seem to think it was going to be any kind of an
uncsurmountable problem. So, I think we did well on that. The development, the town homes on Roosevelt, it's been cleared. It's been fenced off, but nothing has happened more than that. And there was really nothing in there.
There was It was a lot of junk that have been piled up over time. And there was a locust and Norway maple hedge row, I'll call it, down the west side. There weren't any trees of substance removed. I have yet to see a mitigation schedule
on that, but that was a board resolution, so it's in there. I can they have to comply before they get their cos. So all I really have to do is to follow up on that and that is you know their size is mandated one for one replacement
>> but it's larger. >> What about on park? That was a bigger bigger clear. >> Oh that's the uh uh that that's the one that's on the other side of Norwood. >> Yeah. that is undergoing again board
uh resolution on this one. I think is it Scarletti? Predates me. >> Um but boy, they they nuked it. It appears to comply with what the resolution allowed and I know it went back and
forth and there was a lawsuit involved in it, but that all predated me. Um they are keeping the construction entrance very clean substantial track bed and we're not getting any you know through the construction officer there's
nothing about you know dirt road early start late work the neighbors on rine don't like it because it's a drastic change to what they look at but
it was a board approval there is a much we can do about it. The uh the French-speaking Baptist church is on hold again. Um apparently whomever their >> That's very good. That's
>> prof some of their professionals might not have been as organized as they should have been. So, uh Nicole took and Colleen to their credit. They said no. >> Okay. So, um, single family home
construction is what it is. It's going on. The biggest problem I'm seeing is due to the size of the homes that they're that are compliant with zoning. Very difficult to protect
>> the trees that are on site because sometimes the drip circles in the living room. So, you know, it it's a tough cell, but the good thing is that the tree does have to survive for 2 years. If it doesn't, they
must replace to the appropriate size. And I have chased down two companies in the last month and said, "Hey, here's a section of the ordinance. You must comply." Well, uh, don't tell me why. I know what you did. I know how hard it
is, but we took the chance. Now you've got to give me new trees, you know. So, we're working that out. And like anything else, it's going to take some time and they're going to get used to it. >> But where I can make them protect it and
still give them the ability to build their home, which they have to have, I do it where it's not feasible from either point of view. Last thing we want to do is create a safety hazard. somebody trying to do something they shouldn't be doing, then you're in a
breeze. Well, other than that, it's about what I have. >> Questions from anyone. >> You had a chance, not that I >> Okay, >> not any wrong, but that the tree on Deal Road just behind the turning point.
Remember, we had some questions as to how well that was going to survive. That huge tree. >> Oh, the Copper Beach. Copper Beach. I had a over coffee >> conversation with Mr. Burke. I told him
what I thought might be a really good idea once the tree goes dormant. And I had an inquiry as to where Mr. Burke came up with that kind of information from Mr. Panic. So apparently uh he called Zigg and said, "Is this
something you can do?" check some u micronutrients and soil enhancers into it there. It I think the tree looks pretty good given what went on there, >> right? >> Because me too.
>> When I first started, I was like, well, that's never going to make it because beach trees >> don't like their root systems interfered with. >> This is the purple European beach on the >> corner. It's the only really big tree that's out there. and the terminal
growth, which is kind of what I look at to see what the root system's doing. Initially, the two previous years they were a little smaller than what was in front of it during as you would expect. This year's was pretty good.
>> So, the root system, I think, is trying to >> it's a fighter >> compensate. Now, if we keep the beach leaf, >> what about water for that tree considering that it refuses to rain? There's irrigation. >> Well, we're going to get some rain for the next
irrigation, but I don't believe there's any deep root water. >> I think they're only trying to water your grasses. >> Well, yeah. Well, which something will get to the tree, but not if you intentionally water them. >> No, no, you're you're 100% right. Because to water a tree like that and
get it down into the critical root zone of the tree, it's probably going to take Four hours of water twice a week. >> That's a lot of water. >> That's a lot of water. And you can't take an irrigation system as complicated
as I would believe that to be and just switch one zone into four hours twice a week. So, it might be one of those things with a couple of the golf course on stands once or twice a week, but I'll follow up on that. It's a good idea. Thank you. And maybe I can get them to
deep root water it. um before the winter. >> Anything's better than nothing. That's true. >> Well, but yeah, but it must be I think it's stabilized. I won't say it's out of the woods, but I think it's stabilized. Biggest threat would be the beachleaf
neatode getting into it while it's stressed. But now at least we have a control for that. >> Well, is it a control preventative? >> It is not so much uh an inoculation is a stop. >> Okay.
um less than 25% infestation tree is going to be fine. Between 25 and 50% infestation is worth a shot knowing you'll have to cut it back probably stop it over 50 get the
chainsaw unfortunately. Small ones you inject um larger ones like that's full your application. This is one I said that Bartletta came up with. Yeah. part and they made it nonproprietary. They gave it the air. It
was pretty cool. >> Well, I think that's all I have for you. >> Be curious. I was thinking I mean, we spent a lot of money on a bucket truck to reduce our tree expenditures.
>> I will defer to I do a bucket. Well, I'm going to tell you they're looking at getting a bigger bucket truck, getting a chipper, and having a tree division is what I'm hearing. But I don't know this happen. >> Can we get a
projection of the return on that investment? >> That's a good question. >> How many years it's going to take us >> to recover >> the bucket truck that they purchased or the bucket truck that the rumor is out there? >> Either way,
a conversation. This is a big a big >> let's say the huge expenditure. I wonder if anybody ever actually looked at that. >> Yeah. >> I can tell you this guy did not I had one input said whatever you get because
of and this is not to disparage public works get something that they cannot reach the primaries with. Not the transmission, the primaries. >> Primaries. Yeah. >> In other words, your house current house
currents called secondaries. >> No, I >> So that's essentially two giant uh extension cords. But >> I would take issue with your question in that I mean our trees are not wellmaintained. So, if getting this
equipment is going to maintain the trees, can you really get a return on investment in maintaining our trees? It's like asking, can we get a return on investment in having a firehouse? I'm not sure that's a legitimate question.
Well, since it was sold on a large expenditure to reduce >> our dependence upon >> well, first of all, first of all, >> the firehouse is not not sold on dependence on an outside contract. >> I think that first of all, I don't think I think we don't have enough people who
are doing so if they're going to have a call a tree division, you say? Okay. if they're going to have some people that that's going to be their job. Okay, they don't have to invest in a bigger tree because a truck bigger truck because the truck they've got can do plenty of work
on a lot of trees that have been nothing. >> It's a very good place. I'm not arguing with that. It's a very good place to start. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I would I would think we should start with a program that doesn't need more equipment, but just needs >> education and actual power. Tell don't
just get a tree when it's already in the street kind of. >> We don't want them being like the state guys. >> It's not very >> Well, how do you know you were you were trespassing? Yeah, >> I don't
>> not. So anyway, the bottom line is the bottom line is so that that just talking about is a step in the right direction. >> Okay. So, the next thing on the agenda is the community forestry management plan requir
>> from Ted >> from Ted. By the way, did we have Ted's name spelled correctly in a minute? So, we have to ask you that. >> Yes, it is. Yes, I saw that. That could be it. >> I'm double checking. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Just to see
>> we had not everybody here was at the stakeholder meeting if you wanted to give a quick >> No. So, uh well I'll let you I'll let you but basically we did get some some feedback today. I think it came >> it came today. The summary of everyone's >> Ted's comments on the meeting which if
we I don't know if everyone got it but we'll share it with every >> I sent it to everyone and I and I and I can summarize it in you know sentence. >> Yeah. Okay. Good. >> It was a really successful stakeholder meeting. A lot of people came out. People from the community came out. Uh uh Jeff was the uh Councilman Jeff
Weinstein was there as well as Dave Dave Dave was there. Deputy mayor was there. Um we had planning board. We had chair planning board. We had uh EC chair of EC the people who've been the subcommittee. It was it was a good turnout. Uh Greg showed up, our engineer showed up, we
had public works was there. Um so in every and one of the big questions that was asked by Ted and his partner whose name I am forgetting right remember um basically they had questions they wanted everyone to get into groups and
prioritize uh six issues in order of importance and everyone did that and then gave their individual answers. I also reached out to DA commission and went to one of their meetings because they weren't able to attend that one and got their input as well as their new
plans. uh the grant plans for CB Square and all of the train frame and the work they're going to be doing. But uh the in order of priority of these six points uh they came out to be public safety number
one, planting number two, tree preservation number three, community outreach number four, arbitry arbor day activities number five, and species diversification number six. And I think part of that was because a lot of people kind of felt like, well, we aren't going
to put any trees that there was. >> That was the order of the priorities that >> that was the order of the priorities. Repeat that again. >> Um, yeah. And I did email it to you everyone. Public safety, planting, tree preservation, community outreach, arbory activities, species
diversification. That was the order of the >> Well, the species diversification is is a meaningful thing to have in mind when you're going to be planting trees. >> Yeah. But it's not like we're going to remove to help. You know, we're removing trees that need to be removed. We're not removing anything just because we have
too many of them, >> right? You you and I are certainly on the same page, I think, with that one. We understand that it's an important aspect. We kind of feel guilt. >> Number two, planting. That's new planting. >> That's new planting. New planting. So, this is all everybody got this. It's in
your emails and there's paragraphs that go with each one. In the next uh couple of weeks, we're going to be getting a draft from Sterling um consultants uh the first draft from Pim on the truth plan uh and we'll be giving feedback then and doing more meetings and trying
to get more uh community input after that. >> Yeah. Right. Also just note that uh when it comes to the we had a survey and when we look and see what we have as far as diversification is concerned it did note
that sweet gums were most tree right and I'm sure it's still going to be true but we still did not we still have plenty more trees that we need to survey anyway and uh and and that we didn't need to address but I think obviously I
think we should also want to keep that going especially since Bill can speak up but he and Ted have driven around and seeing that it's not a small number of trees that are dangerous trees that we have in the township and and that's number one is public safety
is the number one >> ju just to get back to so what what is there a definitive next step or is there >> yeah the definitive next step is that we're waiting on Ted to he'll be be providing us with a draft that's going to be fleshing out a lot of these plans and ideas for everything that he's heard
from us, from other people. Anybody is welcome to reach out to Ted. Uh his email is in the forwarded email I sent around. Anybody can reach out to him with ideas >> because there's really no reason until you get the first draft, right? >> There's nothing that we have to do between now and the first draft. Okay.
>> Now, unless Oh, and if you have any comments on this or wording, I did inject a little wording here for tree planting that it would mitigate flooding. He lists all the reasons tree planting is good. I said might want to put mitigate flooding in there, too. But if anybody has any input on what he
wrote, get it back, you know, to me ASAP because he'll rewrite it and get it to us tomorrow. >> Is that you know when he's expected to have the >> by the 27th >> 27th of October >> October. Okay. >> So we're moving right along. >> Very good. >> We're moving right along which is great. And you had he said he had a very
productive meeting driving around with you. So I think he's aware I think we're in good hands. I feel good. The only thing that someone might want to do ahead of time if they want to look at anything was and I distributed I don't know if someone didn't get them but we've had four previous plans
>> that I think I shared with everyone if someone hasn't at least glanced to them to see what we've had in the past and I think also sent out the the newer guidelines that uh D and community forestry people put out for community forestry management plans because the
one reason that we didn't need one for three years we actually skipped the whole plans Well, between co time and also then trying to figure out exactly what they wanted to see. We actually, you know, our plan, you know, was a six-year plan at least.
>> Yeah. He's got all the work that we've done and he's got all the materials. Uh we present him everything. So, we're in good shape now. We're just going to wait and see what he comes up with and then there'll be a lot of opportunity for talk about location and prisons where where are the priority areas for
planting and all different kinds of things we can give you. >> Great. >> Okay. So, um right so what else um what else if Ted what else are we doing outreachy to we we've spoken to the
people that were the shareholders and everything else? I mean we what are our plans to >> promugate the uh >> well once we get the draft the next step then is to share the draft with people in the community as well. So we'll have
a a stakeholder meeting and we'll try to get more people to that value. >> Was the last stakeholder was the last meeting a um also a virtual meeting? >> Yes. >> People were on virtually. >> Well it was a it was a broadcast meeting. People were able to to view it,
but it's so hard down there. The mic system is not good. We don't >> They were able to view it after it was done. >> No, it was live. Live. It was live. >> It was also recorded. >> And it was recorded. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> But it was not inter. We weren't able to be interactive. Has serious. It's not
like we've got an owl on the big table. >> Well, we could I mean, we could do something similar. We could just ask people to uh chat the questions as opposed to talk to us, right? And then we could be a question. just uh >> we could do all those things, right? And mostly we could do is just ask people
ask questions earlier, right? Submit questions prior. >> We could we could put the draft out on the website, we can make it available people. I think that's a good idea. Make it available. Yeah, we can discuss all those things when >> Yeah. Even if um even just if people that were there before like our group
that was there, we could probably ask, you know, five or six questions to kind of get the ball rolling. And >> yeah, >> the original meeting was noticed, you know, as a public meeting. >> Yeah. >> Remember that. >> So, so I'm wondering because this is
going to we want to keep moving this along and, you know, not bogged down. Um, do we when we get the draft once we we have we can do it with through email and, you know, among ourselves quickly if there's anything glaring that we want
changed right off. But then um we could put the draft out on the website for the public to look at and view because this is supposed to be a total. >> Could you set you set the meeting now? >> Could we set the >> So we're supposed to get we're supposed to get on the 27th. So let's pretend we
set >> that's what he's saying. >> So let's pretend we say you know let's wait two weeks and >> um generally it's like two weeks after that. Yes. So that brings us into November. In November, I would say >> if it's if it's on the 27th, right?
>> And what what day the week is? >> How long do you need to advertise the meeting beforehand? >> 48 hours. >> Oh, that's when's when's our November meeting scheduled? >> Probably like the 7th, 6th. >> November is the 6th. Yeah. >> November 6th.
>> Okay. So that'll be less than two weeks even from >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think two weeks >> from when we get the draft. >> Two weeks would be November 10th. >> No, but it just forces I mean not the >> No, I'm just saying >> it forces it to you draft. >> I I'd like to give two weeks between
getting the draft and doing the meeting. We have to get, you know, a blurb written and you got get it on the website to do it. And there's a lot of >> So, you want to have a special meeting? >> I think we need to have a special meeting because we need a different room. We're going to need a bigger room. >> Okay.
>> This room isn't big enough. >> Okay. Okay. And it may last more than >> so maybe want to do it on the 13th. >> So we're looking So So I It depends on when the room is available. It always has to start there. But we could say, do you want to do it the week of the 10th
and I can find out what days available? >> Nice. Great. >> How is that everyone that >> I second? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know there was >> It's a conversation for have a conversation. >> I don't get how you feel about the time.
That sounds stupid. >> There's no big holidays or anything weird. >> Tuesday >> and it's before Thanksgiving. We get into the next week. We get bogged into November to Thanksgiving. >> When is it just missed the month of
Jewish holidays? >> Sorry. >> Except for the night. >> It might be wise to reach out to Ted and say, "Hey, >> if you get it to us here, what kind of timeline do you think we need for the public? Well, sure you have.
>> So that's why we're staying. >> No, I know. Yeah, he told me what his timeline was, too. That >> um Yeah. Or or it once you have it plus 10 days or something like that, >> then then we'd have a much Well, you all have a much better
>> I'm going to circle back with Ted and I'm going to circle with Tracy and I'll circle back with everybody else and I'll find a date >> and see if Ted is available also. >> That is part of the Yes. He uh >> he indicated that he would see >> No, he's making himself available. >> Oh, yeah. >> And and and as long as he doesn't have a
meeting in another town, but I'll circle back. >> Ted, Tracy, this group >> and we'll find a date. Heard the cats. >> Got it. the if I can interject something here. Previous to this iteration of all
municipalities when they come up for their cycle of renewing, you could pretty much template your old community forestry management plan and okay, we did real well with our goals one, two, and four. Not so well
with three and five. And then we're going to continue them. And then we're going to add these two new ones. Now they won't let you do that. It is much more in detail, but one of the benefits you're going to have is you will again
in all probability qualify for Tree City uh which has lapsed and nobody's flawed. It has. And what that does is open up a much higher level of grant money accessibility. And I mean a lot higher like a factor of
10. I mean, I know that in some of the other towns where people were getting seven or eight grand, we were getting 60 because of our documented number of years being a tree city. And it wasn't even like, oh yeah, okay. Well, you're
eligible for this level. And it's also tends to be somewhat more diverse in what they allow you to use that funding for at that level. At least that's what it appears to me just having looked at it.
>> I'll look into the city >> application if you get some numbers from Mr. Higgins probably >> and probably from CFO >> cuz that's one of the things they want to know how much money you're spending on the category they you know tree
maintenance, tree removal, that stuff. That's one of the boxes they look for. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. those things those actual numbers have been going into the annual report before but um >> but I do know that I think some of the
numbers that North kiss was doing which we well I'll talk to Steve and if if my memory serves city got to be perceived as relatively expensive so our budget cycle is coming soon so
we'll have to make sure that that amount of money is into that it gets allocated into our budget. >> Well, 3C it depend see some of the funding for Tree City it the numbers relate to your maintenance you know what
you're cleaning up you know brush and so on and that adds up to a lot of money already so I have to look into what the roads of engagement I've got a name of a >> pieces are something we we need to start
you think about on the other side if you're not anything else that could >> nothing with I'll just get I got my martial arts I'll try to get a date >> okay so um now part of this whole thing the fact that we're going to have a comm
you know so on and so forth right I've still got my own thing where I think you know the right right of way trees and who's responsible for them and everything which right now we stand where understand right but I think that we can I still would like to have some we'll
call it data to share with the council and everything you know from how many other towns are responsible for the trees and how many have the public responsible for the trees and uh I did find from the the league of
township managers or some weird thing it was I got a list of all the towns in the county you know and their phone numbers and so on and so forth various things. So, I'd like say is I'm going to I'm going to share that with everyone and we'll see if we can't assign a few that
everyone to at least come and try and get some some good numbers as to who is and isn't uh doing what, you know, of course you can you can go on their websites and look at their ordinances and everything, but that's more timeconuming than if you could somehow
get a hold of someone who knows what's going on, public works director or something like that. In the meantime, since we're here, okay, so they'll share with me here. Several copies. >> There should be enough. >> I think I make 10 or 12 copies.
>> Yeah. So, slide those down. >> Thanks. >> I have one thing. back. >> You're going to make me do this. >> Okay. So, now this is so we've been also
been talking about things that Let's go back. Let's back up before we even talk about the actual planting the BM planting on terrace, right? What what we So, we know that we've the the trees that were the locus trees that were cut down have been treated with garlon. So,
does that have to be done again? There's there's only one that I see a little tiny bit of new growth on. And when I say a little tiny bit, I might have four suck sucker shoots that high. I think we can now ask public works to
let a contractor grind them out, get it level from couple reasons. So it'll be right in a safety standpoint. We don't want a bunch of slumps out there. >> How far from the the original trunk are those suckers coming? out of the original trunk. I'm not getting any roots off.
>> So, I think I I I would like to tell you I'm an expert and I know all that stuff. I think I just got lucky and got it on with the weather being correct. Sucked it out through the >> the root system and it killed them. >> Who's this for? >> This is for colonial terrace. That's
>> colonial terrorist. >> This is the plant my planting instructions for all my notes. I put it back together. I do think there's a if you haven't been on the floor terrace near where Enterprise Renov is right >> yeah I know I know the area >> there's a park there's a park there that
the plan this part this stuff here is supposed to uh provide screening of the park from >> 35 through 35 >> 35 circle >> but who the instruction instruction
>> you guys are >> this I have a question who Who is doing the planning? >> That's going to be the road department or is this getting they expect this to be going out >> go out to? >> Yeah, it's going to
>> I provided a plan to this commission 15 months ago. A staged plan of a timeline and cycle of what to do. This is subsequent to that. This is the second time this has been out, right?
you you were not the council lady. >> This is my suggestions as to what would be appropriate plant material to go in there. The reason not to plant it on the burm even though the burm is constructed correctly. Um planting larger trees on
BMS is usually a bad idea because you you just don't get the same kind of root structure as you would on flat ground. Um, the ones that are up there, well, they probably went in pretty small and now they're large and they've adapted. So, their root system is now down through that whole burn, probably out of
the flat areas adjacent to it. Normally, when you go up a foot, it's 3 or 4 to one for each foot up out on both sides. This was 3 to 4 feet. It's roughly 12 to 14t wide. This one was done right when they did it in the beginning. Often times that doesn't happen. These are
just the species of trees that I know will provide the best screening for them, >> the most drought tolerant. We normally would have suggested 5 years ago Norway spruces and Doug furs, but now we're finding out that they have
become very drought intolerant and they will get big. So, we don't want something that's root system is compromised out there because it's not getting enough water. I'm just kind of curious. >> But this was this was presented before
>> somebody question. >> No, no. Since this is going out has to go out the bid. Don't we need a plan with the spec specifications of what we want and how they should be planted to send out to get this thing going. This
is going on like two years now. >> Well, I I gave originally I gave a complete timeline what I thought was right. So >> I don't want to speak for you, but Mr. Leth said this is a good plan. >> So >> I never saw a plan itself. I never
>> Well, no. I All I did was give you what I thought the correct staging for this kind of a project was based on how I've done it, right? >> And then that's where >> the next thing the next thing we need to have is literally a plan that has a map
on it >> that shows where we're going to plant treat A B CDE E. Unfortunately, >> I appreciate this and the and this book. It's great to see those trees. >> If you let me
>> Okay. I wasn't able to draw you a real nice map with everything, but I I I couldn't make it work. I tried to piggy back from my computer in at home into this one. was not having any of it. So, when I get
home, I'll try and do it, but real quickly, the Burm is plus or minus 221 ft long. On the stateowned land, we've got a couple of large oaks. They are what they are. Leave them alone. Stay away from them. It's only summer screening, but
it's also big time summer noise attenuation because of the mass of the crowns on these things. They're between 38 and 40 in in diameter. That is a big old tree and they appear to be pretty healthy. The bulk of the planting that is there now, evergreen,
coniferous, whatever you want to call it, um are a mix of green giant arborite of which there are four. And then there are some emerald green. I think they could
be a black the black arborite, but they're multiler arborite. They're less desirable. These guys have adapted. They're tight. Leave them there. I would suggest not planting that type
of species because multilers are terrible with snow and Iceland. We joke there, Irish arborite. It snows, they all get drunk and they fall down. Then when the snow melts off, they stand back up again and start over. So let's eliminate that. leands. They're rapid,
but they have too damn many problems. Stay away from them. The other species are the ones that I know do well. So, I will, to your point, I tried to do it. I failed miserably on it, but I will do
it. I've got all the numbers. I can scale it out. Um, we have a total of 19 quanson cherries over there. of the 19 um 10 are along uh Bingham and the no I'm
sorry 10 are on Park View, nine are along Bam. Now those are the ones that are uh some of which are memorial trees. There's one that isn't going to make it and it looks to me like their holes were too wor. So we need to consider three or
four more on the Bingham Avenue side. the ones for whatever reason on park. They look good. So, we're not going to mess with them. Uh when they they start to lose their leaves, I am going to go over and prune them myself. Public work done stack the
brush. Public works is going to come pick it up. We'll look at them in the spring. They were much better than I thought they were going to be. Much better. And while the works is going to put fertilizer down for me on the Q2, the
same stuff that we use for other things to broadcast this out, but we're going to wait till they go dormant. I don't want to run the risk of pushing them into a hard frost growth. So, we'll let them go good and dormant. Do that. But I think we need to figure on four
maybe five replacement ones maybe out of out of the 20 19. So that's not too bad. It really isn't because they haven't had any care at all and they some of them are getting old at all.
>> And then and then the bucket tree is along 35 the ones to fill in. >> Yeah. I mean and I have I have the numbers. >> Have the numbers. Okay, great. >> And that's why I said >> you have an option. >> Fewer smaller trees, >> right?
>> Or I'm sorry, fewer larger trees. Yeah. >> Or more trees, but smaller. >> And the appropriate way to do it, and anybody who's bidding on this um will know this, is you do what's
referred to as a double offset row. Two rows. The rows are offset by 20 ft and the space between trees in a row is 40 ft. But you get a much better coverage because the trees don't interact with
one another as they grow. Shade out the inside. So when you lose one, got these horrible dead spots on the two that were jammed up against. So I think that's the right way to go. The caution I always give folks is your if you decide you want to go with larger plant material
and to me larger is over 12 feet in this kind of stuff. You really need someone who knows what they're doing and how to handle that stuff. If you've got the right contractor, it's no problem. >> Well, some of these trees grow pretty quickly from what you know I
>> um your green giant once it gets established. Yes, it does. the kryptonia which is Japanese cedar. Um that's a little slower. Bet you 100 bucks I didn't put four. >> So the slower trees are more resilient when you when they start. Correct. Slow
trees have a better likelihood of surviving. >> Well, if you notice in there I you know I said less than six feet. I would I would think that a reasonable compromise is probably going to be in a seven eight and maybe if you really go out there at
night. I went out a couple of times at night to see where the lights were the worst from some of the folks that had complained to residents out there and unfortunately some of it was second story complaints because they have nice balconies or decks and we can't do anything about that. That's 25 ft.
You're going to have to wait a little. So like an 8ft tree is a is a reasonable place. >> Well, when we first started this a few years ago, I'm not sure what we had as a budget, but we had a shade tree fund and the shade tree fund has much less money than it had two or three years ago. So on and so forth. Okay, but also that's
the thing I'm trying to figure out. We're trying to get an annual budget that based on what the tax assessor tells me is the number of raidables we have in the town. That's not a lot of money to get a significant amount of money, you know, and then we can get going. But it may mean in this case, one
of the things is the double row is gives you a better thing and they put in smaller trees, it's also going to cost considerably less. >> Yes, >> to put in two rows of smaller trees than one row of bigger trees. >> Maybe I agree better, too.
>> But loss is is better. >> Your survivability is much higher when you're dealing with trees under 10 ft. When you start to get above that, the root balls get commensurately larger. So, you need more equipment
>> to move them and the money is more. And you also have to know what nursery they're coming from. And is this a nursery that specializes medium to larger size plant materials? So, they handle them differently while they're growing.
So, when they dig them, they have better survivability. Oh, I got a row of 16footers. you know, the only reason you have a row of them is you couldn't sell them and you haven't taken care of them. >> Now you're running a risk. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, it is a it's a balancing game, if
you will. >> Um, I have an idea of who I might ask for prices, but I didn't want to put that here. We'll get if if you want that, I'll be glad to to get you the the names of those companies. I know they're
reputable. I know they've been in business for a long time. I know what their work look work looks like. >> Well, if we're putting this out to bid, isn't that part of the bid? >> Yes. Yes, it is. But depending on what your you think your threshold is, you either can go out for open bid or if
it's underneath the threshold, you only have to require three bits. And that's something for the CFO. And if that was the case, if you staged it correctly, you might be
able to do this two separate contracts that are interrelated to a certain degree. It's not breaking the law because I I know it gets done like that. Well, I think 7 to8 ft sounds very reasonable on
it, but it's we need to get a feel for what the pricing is, what we've got. >> Would you like those numbers from three different nurseries? >> Yes. >> Okay, fine. I can have it. >> And thank you for doing the drawing with the numbers. >> Yeah. Well, I would This looks like it was done by a third grader.
>> Okay, I understand. That's what mine look like. >> Well, if I can get my computer >> I just on the clarification. I'm looking at a map. I don't see where Park View intersects with 35. >> I I see
>> where Park View goes into >> to Bingham. >> Yeah, but it terminates there. There's I see Bingham and it's I think in Berkeley. >> I look from 50t away without glasses. Yeah. >> Yeah. I may have it wrong, but if you were to come out of Park View and
continue straight, you >> Well, it sort of bends off. >> It does, but when you're standing there, it looks like it goes right through because the other street kind of bends around that professional building and then goes back. But I could get the numbers, the names right, but >> Okay. I just >> Yeah. No, you're right.
>> Especially if this goes out, you want to make sure. >> Oh, no, no. I wanted to >> What I was thinking about was getting that plot on the tax map. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. printing it up using that as my >> as your template >> template whatever >> and then you just can put it
>> but yeah no >> but I think I was pleasantly surprised about the no suffering on the lowest trees that it stunned me >> yeah so we'll go up here synagogue I belong to right we cut down some trees okay two were dead and one wasn't right
and the one that wasn't I mean it was practically dead but it wasn't totally dead and sure enough little suckers came you know, but they get about this high. >> Yeah. >> And I I sprayed them with Round Up >> and it worked. >> But anyway, >> uh so this was all good. So Bill and I
will talk some more. We'll we'll come up with we'll get a map the next meeting. Maybe we'll go forward and see what it is we want to consider for bids and see what what happens next. Meanwhile, I'll send try and send out that stuff to everyone and maybe we'll communicate through emails uh to split
up the list and see who can come up with some useful information as to who's who does what to who in in other towns in M County just to get off this week. I think there something like 40 some odd towns in M County. surprised me to do that.
>> Just cap >> 50. >> I don't know why >> 55 or 57 >> 53 53 >> 53 whatever it is. >> It was still a higher number than I wanted to know. >> Too many, >> you know, when I saw I said, "Well, I'm not going to stop."
>> Okay. Anyone else have anything? Now, now I see we've got we've got guests on the uh does anyone who's been attending our meeting have any comments to make or questions to guests? Yes, sir. >> Um, hi. I'm actually um speaking
regarding the tree plantings within Colonial Terrace. My name is David Winthrop. I'm the vice president of the CTPA. Just been taking notes so I can refer this back to our board. Um, I did want to just leave a message. I've
coordinated with Bill Brooks on multiple occasions before. Uh, I'm an architectural drafts person and I can coordinate with Bill if my drafting services can aid him in getting a plan formulated. Um, the only thing that I
would need with that is just the actual uh site. I presume zoning could provide that, but I can coordinate with Bill if that would move this process along. I know these things are uh complicated and they want to be uh facilitated uh as
correctly as possible to avoid further delays. So I can um assist with that if that if that helps. >> Hey Dave, you have my number correct? I think >> your email address. Is that still the B? >> Yes, BS.
>> Yeah, just send me. But I will send you an email. >> Thank you. >> Great. Yes, sir. >> Uh, yes. >> Hello. >> Yes,
>> I have something. >> Go ahead. Somebody. >> Yes. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Maryanne Ellis Wanamasa. Um, driving past the Asbury Circle, there are large dead trees in the circle and
um, it's hard to tell while driving, but could be a large number of Atlantis trees. Tree of heaven. Who's responsible for that area >> up in the state? >> That's a state. >> That's state highway, ma'am. So that would be the state initially the state
highway department and then they would subsequently contact their forestry division and either do it themselves or they contract an independent tree company to do the work. >> Okay. So is that uh something that you all could do contact them or is that
something I should do? >> Well, maybe I should reach out to Steve. Yeah. >> Yes. If you know if you know the people to contact, that would be really good. >> If you can if you can send even would not even hurt not to put the burden on you, but even send some photographs
specifically of the trees that might be passed on to Bill. >> Uh it's a little hard to do when driving on the circle. >> Yeah. No, I I think I think >> even if you just send Bill an email just so it's in his email box, we you know, we have residents and then Bill sends it up at the chain of public works, you
know, but we can reach out to Bill can reach out to public works and contact >> I will contact Mr. Higgins who is the director of public works on Tuesday and >> relay this through and see if we can't get the state to take some action for
you. >> Thank you. Um, you wanted me to send an email to Bill who? >> Bill Brooks. >> Bill Brooks. >> B two B's. B. Brooks at twwp.org. >> All right, I can do that. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.
>> Have a good night. Attention.