Okay. What's the agenda? Speak clearly and loudly. No more. Okay. So, before first thing will be a roll call. Chairperson Copen is here. Member Gordon is not here yet
hopefully. Member Godette had said he will not be here. Member Curr is here is here. Member Kronheim here is here. Alternate Lutz here is here. Alternate Armstrong no sign at the moment. And
councilman council person Weinstein had told me he had a conflict and he asked me anything major happening. I couldn't think of anything major enough which need to be mentioned outside this room.
This has that has to be made to the attention of the council outside this room otherwise we won't get to it. That's my opinion. Just an opinion. No, he's actually doing pretty good job of maintaining contact. Yes. Okay. The notice requirements of the open public
meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied. A copy of the annual notice was sent to the answer press and the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of attention court on June 28th, 2024. This meeting will be recorded and available on Ocean Township's YouTube
channel. So, we have meetings from our last minutes, I should say, from our last meeting. Stack my stack of ag. personal must be sticky tape. There we go. and also
for Mr. Brooks will be joining us shortly at some thing. They had to take care of Red Bank's duties. It's a chief commissioner there potentially, whatever. And he'll be here soon. In the meantime, we have
the minutes of the April 3rd meeting. Chance to look at those. Good. Does anyone had a chance to peruse? We have anyone have any uh suggestions for amendments to the minutes? I already
accepted the D. So they're good. They look good to me now. Okay. So anyone can accept these minutes? I move we accept. Okay. Ronheim and Cern moved and seconded. All in favor?
Okay. Minutes are accepted as presented. Okay. The first item traditionally on the agenda is uh Mr. Brooks and and things that are going on with respect to trees. However,
he has given us the right. So, if we let's read that and then when he comes in, we do have a question about it. Since most of these tree applications are on private property, this is really the purview of
the environmental commission, not the shade tree commission. So, I'm wondering why he isn't reporting to the shade tree to the environmental commission as well as the shade tree commission. Great. We should we should think about that or at least you know spreading it
spreading it around. That's what most things are. It's nice to have in writing but you know I don't think we need to discuss it. I agree with Ken. I would like I mean if if these things are being put in well I can discuss it
with him. these things are being um put into the computer and so on. When he says residential permits, I'd like to see how many trees are being taken down every every month, not just lots of lots of tree
applications, but I'll take that up. I kept track of you know I kept track of some place supposed to be but I would you know are we losing trees or we painting trees
here so I apologize I'm late another town they work for straighten out so nobody was hurt badly We've got a chance. Thank you for writing it up. There's a chance you can
look it over. So good. That can hopefully save you some time. Okay. Question did come up as we were looking. Have we done? Are we going? Yeah. Okay. You're officially here.
Yes. I apologize again. I'm sorry. It's okay. Okay. So the first thing what Ken noticed is that most of the tree removal permits that come in are from homeowners somewhat and so forth, right?
Um and private property private property 80% somewhere between 65 and 80% depending on time of the year. What are they? Where are the others? They're not They're not They're on township property. Well, no. Board
approvals, zoning, planning, or construction make up the difference. But let's take the ones on private property. Okay. It turns out that the Shakes Commission
officially has his jurisdiction is Township on the property. Correct. Okay. So that would mean so Ken's question is and I think I think we like to hear all this here don't get me wrong we would like to see this and I don't think you have to be you know bouncing around but
I what I'm suggesting is that I think and I'll bring this up at the next meeting we'll present this to the people at the next meeting that this is this is uh the people on the environmental commission will probably be equally interested in how things are going because that's where the the ordinance
for the private property stuff the main tree orance that we have that is that's being addressed even by the state with this border whatever they call it blackmail the blackmail blackmail yeah exactly is is also relates to private you know
property and and those types of issues usually are addressed by the so so I think that in general you know we should start better we'll call it coordination it turns out Ken and I both involved both commissions But
otherwise, you know, they would not hear about this stuff. So, I'm just saying that when when you put these things out, um, you know, to let let Donna know, you know, and she'll John is we can share them with the environmental commission. We'll make that note today.
That's what we're going to be doing. Well, um, I see no reason not to. I'll tell Colleen, who I report to, that you'd like to do that. I know what she's going to say. Yes, that's fine. I will do that tomorrow. I'll call her and then I will let the chair know and he can disseminate it from there. the fact that
we're the shade tree commission and most and this deal and all those removals are shade trees that mostly get dealt with. Okay. Creates a false impression, you know, as to what a real jurisdiction is, you know, and uh to be honest, I think
that there are a lot of trees on a lot of private properties that are not being given proper care and and something bad can happen more likely because there's probably more of those total trees around right where people are all the
time than than on the street trees without a doubt. Yeah. And Ken the other point on my answer that is that uh you list the permits. We'd be really curious to know what does that actually mean in number of trees. Well and Ken asked me
about this last meeting or the meeting before. We are trying to get jungle lasers to come sit down with us and address that concern. So there is a
way that I can keep a running tally so that we can monthly. Well, I'm sure I can do it monthly and then what I would like to do is then a summation at the end of the quarter just for recordeping purposes.
So then we have a per gain or loss. Correct. Because well yeah because while we have no authority to tell you know in private property of what can and can't be taken down it does inform our planning of what's happening in different areas of town or future planning perhaps and yeah but okay there
was a a webinar that was given last week and it was sustainable New Jersey and the information that they want regarding tree removals right Now it is going to be very difficult from a time allocation standpoint to
comply with and I was very disappointed in the presentation because it was all over. I mean this particular person that gave it advocated even retaining
invasives. Norway maples, tree of heaven. She mentioned another one and I have to admit I can't remember it. That's US Forest Service. We're not going against that. Norway maple is the number one invasive deciduous plant species. Removal is recommended wherever
feasible in the United States. US. Is this was this a sustainable New Jersey? Yes, it was. They have no authority. I mean, they Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You didn't listen to this thing. you ought to see what they're looking for and they're going to want sustainable sustainable New
Jersey. Um, reapply for it every other year. I I don't know. There's been a lot of I've gotten a lot of calls from people that I know within the industry. Did you take this? Yes. Did you get a headache, too? Yes.
So, I think it will be modified. I do believe it'll be modified because there's no way we here can comply with what they're asking for now and it just doesn't make any sense. I I watched it and I didn't get that impression at all. Okay. What they
were Well, the first thing was the um invasive species. I didn't hear that. Oh, yes, sir. She said she even advocated invas retaining invasive species from a water softening distribution standpoint. Okay, I understand that, but the US Forest
Service says take them out. We're not going to come against those guys. That's a lose-lose. There were a lot of things that were brought up from field guys in this that I've talked to who called me and but you know, we see things
from an operational standoint. I think we sent out the link to everybody. Everybody can watch. Absolutely. I'm I asked Donna to do that, I think, and it got done. I mean, Don is great. Here's my my basic question. Sustainable New Jersey is not a government entity. It's
the impacts the green team and basically it's whether you get your trophy and your stars or not. It's not there's no it's just informative. It's just an inform you know you don't have to say to a chunk where they can control a lot of
this if you if you look at it that way perhaps but I don't think that's correct. They're advocates. They're an advocate. Okay. Well, I hope you are right because if I have to do what they want me to do, they're going to You can't do it with the hours I'm allocated
a lot. All they were doing was was going over their checklist. Oh, I understand that. But if that It's not required. They have no authority. They're a nonprofit. It's not a government education. Okay. Well, you know, I I have to confess I really don't know a
hell of a lot about what they do. And I'm going to find out more, obviously. I mean, they're like Sierra. I mean, it's not it's not I mean, they do good work and they do and they do give municipalities their stars like how many stars you get, then that's the green team. But that is the only Well, they
don't have any say other than influence as an author as respected authority. They have no actual authority at this point. Well, they won't. They won't. Well, nobody nobody saw this mandated tree protection ordinance for all the municipalities in this town coming the
way it came. Denying you a storm water management renewal. That's the Department of Environmental Protection. Yes, it is. And that's legislation. So, I mean, this would you'd see this coming if it came. It was And it they're not they can't
shift from what they are. I knew about that statewide tree ordinance four years before. I heard that from guys that I knew in D said, "Heads up, this is coming." Yeah. And they told me why. And I understand. But I wouldn't get too upset about this. Okay, that's fine.
They don't have any authority. Okay, I won't worry about it then. Fair enough. Good. Made my night on that one cuz that nightmare. Thank you. Now you can sleep easily. Well, tonight I don't know. All right. What else can I answer? Okay. said the second thing was and this
question of who's doing what to who and where's where it's happening although I saw something in your thing here one of the things in your report said that they're talking about colonial terrorist and the um no the locust locust trees the 11 locus
trees they were removed and you believe bids have been solicited I I thought the town was they were not comfortable with the talent skill level of their personnel working with that truck with the height of the pieces that would have
been over max reach height minute they said that okay put it out for a bit because we're not getting somebody hurt trying to save some money that's fine I just that's why we're on that one I I said some of the quanszons I went out there and looked at
they're magnificent great so what I'm going to do we took that out of the bid request and once they have flowered. I'm going to go out and I'm going to take all the dead wood out and do a quick haircut on my nickel. I'm going to do that and then I'm going to take photos
and then we'll have a benchmark. We're going to the plan is also to feed them in the fall once they drop their leaves. We don't want to push new growth out into frost. So, sometime after Halloween, but be before the first of the year, we're going to put uh probably
1064 954, which is tree tone or uh a basic fertilizer down based on the caliber, size of the tree, and then we're going to look at them again next spring. And if we're going in the right direction, why take them out? Because they are memorial trees. Now, I believe
there may be one or possibly two that have already been removed at some point in the past. So, when we do the replacement plannings, we're going to get a couple of trees. So now instead of maybe having to get a smaller one for
putting fewer back, maybe we can put a 4 inch back or four, four and a half so they won't look quite so awkward in with everything that's nice. And I think that's in my professional opinion that's the way to go, right?
Why don't we document it? Pardon me. Why don't we document it? You mean Well, I'm going to take the You you can um or I
can Why don't I type up something? Anybody decides around this table knows what you're talking about. Well, I will type up a letter to Norm and I will copy Colleen, Mr. Brown, and Mr. Higgins.
Good. And then everybody will hopefully be on the same page. And once they have had a chance to see it with their permission, I'll send it to the uh executive of the whatever they call it, Colonial Terrorist Protection.
I have But I don't want to do that until I get clearance from the folks I report to. Why? When you send something to them, why don't you put a request along with that saying, "Please add your comments to what you think of this." So the I may need it. I may need it if I
decide to to approach this other something like that. That gets I will solicit some sort of a comment. I'll provide them an avenue to comment whether it should probably go to the shade tree commission
and copied to me rather than to me the other way. So it goes sort of through the chain. But yeah, I think it's a good idea. I'll take care of it. It gets outside that vote. Oh, no. Well, I already told my boss, Colleen, that hey, we're not going to take them out. They look too good. I said, I'm
going to prune them and but we'll wait till they're fully leafed out, hardened off July, maybe. You want to see which way they're going and if we do have another drought uh like we did last
year, which is one of the reasons Nor and I spoke about this, why the flowering trees are so spectacular this year. It's the reaction to the drought. Flowers, seeds, perpetuating species, which means get ready for some acorns this fall.
And the gumballs. Yeah, those. Okay. It's ocean. I don't know if there could be more of those. Slingshot ammunition. Oh, man. They're just like, you know. Okay. So, all right. So that said, okay, um the locust they're soliciting for the
the bid originally went out for the five quanzons and the 11 locusts. When I saw the No, that's not my question. Okay. But we did, right? We're going to want the locust, but we're also going to do that the uh Yes, the stumps will not be
ground out. They will be treated with garlon at the point when they're removed and then I'll look at it again July, see if we're getting any root suckers. We'll wait till we get a really hot day and we'll treat them again and that'll do it and then we can grind the stumps out and
we won't have all that horrible root suffering with the lousy thorns on those things. Right. Okay. So, are we doing that piece ourselves? the township's doing. I have to verify that the township does
have someone who has the appropriate license 3A. My only question is because this is an area where people are this appropriate signage. Well, the beauty of garlon is once you
paint it, it's you can paint it on or you can just take a little one gallon sprayer and you just you treat the the in from the bark in about 3 in and that's it. And once it's dry,
that's it. And that stuff dries. We'll use the waterbased to accelerate the drying. The oil based one takes longer. They are both allowed the label. I mean you can use it in public parks. You you can actually use it in the waterway public safety line. Miss No, no, no. We
can uh we can certainly get the little flags and put them out there. So then the next So the next follow on to that. So given that was done now, we talked about I haven't been there to know where all these things are, but we were talking about the BM and planting trees
on the BM. I don't want to plant trees on the BM. I want to plant them behind the BM because if you put them up on the BMR behind the BM. Yeah. Is that what is the locust in that area? The locusts are basically in the area behind the
quanzons running from south to north. They're more of them at the southern end. But I figured if we were going to do this, given the propensity of locust to, you know, uproot and everything else, and I was looking at spending
money on putting quanzons in there, let's get these damn things out of there now. Well, we're doing this once and for all. And that is essentially all of them. They're all basically behind the middle of the line of quanzants to the southern end. So, we're going to get
them the hell out of there. and that will do a good job in terms of long-term forestry. Those things are nuisances. Um, and then if the screening put that in and if we look at
the park two years, it would be nice to have a shade tree or two over. Sure, why not? But let's let's do this. You remember what I laid out way back when? So that's so if we do what we said was a logical
thing, let's look at it a year after the fact and go, you know what, really be nice to have long term a couple of mature shade trees out there where if somebody wanted to go camp out and read a book underneath it in a chair, we've got that. But not take up the ability to
use the open space either for kids running around throwing a frisbee football, baseball, whatever. So, it take a little planning to where we put them, which would probably be somewhere on the south end where those extra locusts are leaving us. I think Norman's referring to the evergreen that we're
going to block. I understand. No. So that being said, okay, when is the locust operation going to prevent us from putting in evergreens until that whole project's
over with the locust or or I I wouldn't hopefully those trees will be out by the end of the week after next gone. We have the bids. It just has to be awarded. Okay. We have to allow the first bid that came in the opportunity
to remove the cost for the quans office and then we'll see who's has the correct number from our point of view and it'll be awarded and whoever gets it I'll call them up to say sooner rather than later. So the evergreens and the locust and all that are in the same I would think that's the way to do it.
No, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, no. You She just said that we're going to go out and solicit the planting of the evergreens. I'm not I'm not on the same bid. So, no, no, no, no. Talking about strictly moral get it cracking and
that's that's the bid that's that is what we are requesting a price on. Okay. So, and as soon as that has been accomplished, which I hope will be made. Now you I know you did something. You you had a plan for where to plant. No,
no, I gave I didn't say where. I said I advised against the top of the burm for obvious reasons. You're you're increasing the wind exposure. And the other thing is you're putting the tree up on top and when the tree limbs up,
that's the area you want blocked. Put it down here, let the whole tree grow. So when it does limb up, the earth and berm is behind it to block the sound and the headlights. And now we've got a nice tree above that. Okay.
So who's who how many did you think we needed? You could put a lot of them out there if you wanted to. I mean, you could I would think eight of them would do it. You could easily, if you wanted to really wall it off, plant 20 of them out there.
That all of a sudden got expensive. Right. What size were you talking thinking? I said I gave them to the species. I know what I would do. I wasn't asked to do that. I they wanted to run with this thing and it's
gotten I would think they did those folks out there and here. So, I would think that I I really wouldn't go any higher than 12 to 14 just from a a standpoint
of one cost, the difficulty in handling them, and then the difficulty in keeping that size tree alive. Obviously, a smaller one will be more vigorous, but I don't think we should be looking at sixfooters because it'll take too long.
So, something between 8 to 10. 8 to 10 and then the 12 to 14 maximum. So, and you there's nothing that says they all have to be the same. You can mix them up. So, you avoid, but we could put in possibly twice as many 8 to 10 as if you
were buying 12 to 14. I did I was never asked to go out and I'm just I'm just making a mistake. You know, you treat it as a range. 8 to 10 is still a pretty good size. You say 8 to 10 as many as 20 or what? No. When you go out, when you go out for bid, you want to specify the
side, the species, the size, and if the guy's going to be planting them, the locations. I mean, I I thought it was our purview here to make that decision. Well, it is. That's why we're talking that's why. So,
can we figure out how many, you know, because I know you you made a list of the trees. I g I those folks asked those folks being Colonial. I gave them a list of the trees that if I was doing it, I would consider planting. Right. But but technically we are doing it. They're
not. So no, I mean Bill Brooks, Brooks Tree Experts, and we look to you. Okay. Well, you got then So let's figure out what would be the best to put in there. I'm in the in the email that was circulated from Mr. Winthrop. Is that
correct, Donna? the gentleman's name from Colonial Terrace Association. It kind of sounded to me like he might be coming tonight. I didn't say it. Um they're talking Norway spruce and Doug
fur. And there's a lot of concern about those two species now from a drought resistance standpoint. Um are they native here? Yes, they are. but they don't seem to be quite as adaptive to everything that's going
on. Um, as some of the other quote native species. Um, we want to put stuff we the township should be thinking in terms of putting
tree species out there that have the best chance of survival. We are the township. I understand that. Oh, I get that. believe me. Yeah. But so what would that species be that in your painting that would be more drought resistant but nice evergreen filled the
space? Um well you start right off with native red cedar and that's an evergreen. Thank you so native red cedar. White cedars are damn near impossible to get. But as
you well know, the kettler juniper, well, it's a form of Yeah, but it looks it does look like very much like a white cedar. It is a pretty blue green uh color. So,
species diversity. So, if something comes through here like emerald ashbor or bacterial leaf, we don't lose everything. It looks a lot like I mean it looks like it fits the bill with what you know is it is it it's a native plant to New
Jersey all the way from Excuse my question. No no yeah I mean the Indians used them here to mark their trails 300 years ago. Oddly enough this they call them eastern red cedar and there's a western red cedar. A juniper and one's an arborite. That's correct.
Okay is correct. Either are cedars. your your closets keep that are lined with cedar to keep the moths at bay. Yes. Eastern red cedar. Oh, good to know. There you go. So, so you can hang your clothes out there if we do it. They won't and that tree would get big enough
and fill in the space and be a good Yeah. Before we decide how to see a diagram, but no, I think we need we need to come up with a location, you know, how many of whatever, you know, and some
um you know comparatively speaking you know you know all these things you know have to grow very vertically you know that's why but they don't get as wide within reason short amount of time they stay correct they
stay quite narrow comparably speaking some stay ridiculously narrow so cultivars so you get the ones I'm saying you get the ones that whatever even even the red cedars have cultivor Yes, I do. Yeah. So, uh you know, but at least that
that's a startless drought resistance. However, we do have uh you know, we do have the waring truck. Theoretically, the truck exists seen it. it works, you know, and it but it just means is that maybe I think still maybe some Norway spruce and say
Douglas fur would go in but not exclusively you know it means we may have diversity you know to go through but the first track is to come up with a plan of where where we're going to plant something and then we come come up with
uh well reevaluate the list of trees and go on you know I thought I read a plan you wrote. Bill said I wrote it, but that isn't that's an outline. That's a guideline. I thought it said how much. The easiest way to do this solicit.
We could solicit. I would suggest not going open bid because I think we can stay under the threshold in terms of expenditure for open bid. Anybody who bids on it, if they're the lowest bid, the only way you
cannot take that under the public contracts law is if you determine that they are not capable of fulfilling their their bid. Well, we don't want to put them in a small truth in case of something like this. So maybe we pick we
the township considers picking three contractors give them the linear distance which we can determine with a walking wheel. Ask for species and the only thing we might want
to specify is do we want a single row or do we want a double offset row to allow for growth and give them a species list that are acceptable and ask them to come back with a a rough diagram plan. This is how
many of this at this size and this is where we're going to space them out and we're not going to put any right here because of A, B, and C. Okay, fine. And I mean that that would have been and I believe that was even in the plan to solicit bids from contractors. Why don't
we do it? All right. Let's do it. Let's let's review, you know, think about it. Let's review what Bill had written originally. Okay, we need that means we have to have some kind of a specification that bas says basically what Bill said, you know, and we how
about if we do this? How about if I sort of type up the same thing that I did with that plan that you like, only just that part of the plan distance. I'll pick a spot and I'll walk it off with a walking wheel where I think it
makes sense and we get the best coverage, the best bang for our buck in terms of light and noise and dirt pollution abatement and we can ask for it single row double offset row. Does everybody
know what that is? Okay. So in other words, you Yeah. But the you plant them, right? In other words, if the appropriate spacing for whatever the species is is 20 ft. Okay. We're going to do 20 ft
between them, but we're going to have another row that's 20 ft back. So here's tree one in the first row. Here's tree one in the second row. Here's tree two. So now we've got 40 feet between them. So at maturity, you know, way down the road,
somebody's going to drive by and go, "Oh, look, they knew what they were doing." And you get better coverage that way. More money. More money. But we could ask for it both ways. And then if the expenditure is worthwhile, do it as
long as it's not astronomically greater than the same road. Be modified state, which is you're doing sort of a triangle, but you can if you're going back as far as that, you could put him the rows in the row. could be tighter to get coverage faster. Yeah. But then down
the road, you're not going to have as solid a plant. And there's a couple of spots where it's obvious that there are trees that are needed. There are a couple of obvious every trees have failed that have been removed. Let's do this. Let's
move on. Try and get the rest of the meeting. Yeah. Well, so so just can you'll do that next week? We see it sketched on a diagram or um I'm going to I'm going to do I'm going to do both. I'll make a rough
conceptual of what I see this as. And I'll get that to you all somehow before the next meeting. So you can go I don't like this, I like this. If I can come up with two ways, I'll be glad to do that. I'm not going to spend a hell of a lot of time scaling this out. No, just something like this.
So this will be an agenda item for the next meeting. Well, but my concern is the planting window. We'll have something that we can discuss. I can't do anything about that. My concern is when is the best time to plant this? We wait too long. It'll be too hot to plant them, right? We want to put these in soon. We We're not going to get there.
It's going to be We're not going to get there that fast. We have to go out for beds. Anyway, but they could be planted in the We could do a full plant. Absolutely. And some of them I have to check the species that I'll suggest. I'll make
sure don't have a fall planting hazard. That way we have year round possibilities to install. Okay. And I have a list of those. That won't be hard. So we'll go with the next thing. So we had the tree giveaway tree giveaways with two kind of tree
giveaways, right? I bought the town board. I should say Dave. I'm not sure where the money came from even though we we said we're going to spend some of our money blah blah blah. But we we actually bought
uh let's see 575 trees. Okay. Two 250 of them went to the public schools and another 25 I'm splitting between the hill up there. Okay. And those were all all
those were white flowering dos. So we got a total of 375 white fine dorins which included 100 for the regular tree giveaway with 50 bay beach plum ly thyme and white. So the best sellers so to speak were the dogwood and the bay
berries. The beach plums did pretty good. The lobly pines and the white oaks. You know we we have so quite a collection of those left. Okay. Now, I'm I'm going to uh garden club who Maryanne
was here joining us. Uh and they were very help. They had two shifts of people coming to help distribute the trees. You know, everything went pretty smoothly and Jeff Weinstein was there, Patty was there. Um and and motion
record. Okay. So, uh anyway, so overall it, you know, it's nice. You know, we've got what we've got. What's left is in my refrigerator right now after spending the first uh trip to the senior center
refrigerator. Okay. So, and I'm going to take a few and put a few in some pots, you know, potentially for use. I still got a couple of uh actually I've got two um what do you call them? Bold cypresses
that I'd had in three gallon containers and then when they finally rooted in the ground I sort of ripped them out but I'd say that I've got them in a bigger pot now. I'd say they're eight 8 to 10 8 ft tall. Once they get established they take off, you know. So yeah, right now
the pot's buried in the ground, but I don't want it to put a sun. So, I'm going to try and figure something else that goes down, you know. I also have, as a quick aside, I have the uh I'm still growing on the seedling that I got of the Salem oak. You know, still only like about
thick as a finger, but it's about 4 and 1/2 ft tall now. That would be a good Whenever we decide we want to put a a shade tree out there, something that has some history within the state somewhere in town. That's that's going to go somewhere in
town. I think somewhere in player park would probably be its best place unless unless somehow um town hall some point you know the to that ever happens or if you know whichever. Okay. So anyway uh but so
we're going to we're going to work out at the garden club what we do with these rest of these things you know. So um so that was reasonably successful. It's good. It's good that the garden club is much more involved than it
always has been. Yeah, they've always been they've always been they've always been great. Okay, next item is meeting dates. Talk about we should talk about meeting dates for the next year because the June meeting is the last meeting of
this year. Oh, you're on the calendar. It's a fiscal year, right? Okay. So looking so the first problem we have is July 3rd is the day before July 4th which is a Friday anyway this year is July 3rd is
the day before July 4th every year. Oh, I didn't do it, Ken. Remember, I wasn't the smart. You just you missed or you said hit me and I I couldn't resist. Anyway, anyway, so that being said, that being said, so July 10th is is a viable
date, you know. So, are we in favor of that of that one? Yeah. Okay. So, so we'll switch the July meeting will be July 10th then. Uh the rest of them are good. Okay. Then October has a problem in that October
2nd is my calendar on the night. Right. So the Presbyterian has no comment on that date. Yeah. So anyway, so that's
October. Sounds like yelled before. Okay. September 9th is uh sukus. Okay. So, that's okay. Well, it's not it's it's it's
the the second day of sukus. Okay. I'm trying to figure out why why is this only show one day here? this calendar is not treating me right here. But if that if the second day is the 8th, then the evening say after sundown, it's not until after sundown that the 9th is
not religious days of service. So habit is the third day on the night. That's what I mean. The day is the third day, I think. So we can have a meeting on the night. Wait, wait. October. Oh, it's the
9th. Oh, you're right. The night of the 9th. Oh, yeah. That's good. The 9th is October 9th. I got it. October 9th, right? Okay. So, that should work. So, October 9th would be the next one. And then we go through November
December. Why do we have December 11th listed? Because I am unavailable on December 4th. My daughter's getting married. Good excuse. That's awesome. You probably just You probably pick that
date just to get out of hoping to get out. That's not what I wanted her to get married, but that that's the day. That's going to be great. It's going to be super fun. So, either we do it December 11th or forgo the meeting for December because of the holidays. That's we want
to see wedding pictures. 11th, right? The 11th is is enough on a no man. We'll put it this way. We've canled meetings later. Later. Okay. We may as well I say we'll schedule it for the 11th. We'll schedule the meeting now and then
you can't see what the story is. Okay. The one that gets tricky is April 2nd. We go along. Let's do it on the 9th. Well, that that's keep me tricky because both of them have passed over. So, have the vice
chair run the meeting or you know what? Okay. You don't have a meeting in April. Yeah, that'll be fun. The second is you guys are very very dedicated. The second is the first day. April's it's an interesting month that you know it's early in the thing but the
actual first day of Passover is the second according to this which would mean that the uh second Ser would be on the evening of of the seven and then the evening of the 9th
you're done which would still be Passover until dark. So somebody else can you know so we can wing that one we'll leave it we'll move it to the 9th for
now and then we'll see what happens the 16th then would be only be three weeks when is Easter in a is Easter in April this year next year I mean
yeah no apparently no apparently Passover starts on a Thursday or the first seder night. It's probably going to be a uh that's the 29th, you know, the second Easter is the Good Friday is the is the next day.
So, Easter is on Easter. Easter is on April 5th, 2026, right? So, we're good with Good Thursday and Holy Thursday and Good Friday. I changed what happened to the night. What is it?
get moved change. So, so the only So, the second is not a good day for sure and the ninth is is a problematic day, but you can leave it there. May 7th, leave the nth as it is.
I probably wouldn't I probably wouldn't make the meeting leave the night unless Although actually when well yeah because daylight savings is going to be in effect already right doesn't matter when savings go into effect March something
right as a closer to that's a good idea we'll put it to the ninth now and seeing someday completely. Okay, we'll leave it as April 9th. April 9th. That's what I thought. Okay,
actually now I'm looking at this thing here. The way I see this reading here, first Wednesday would be the first sad and second s. Okay. And then it goes the rest of the month. We haven't had that many complications on the calendar that I can
remember. We don't need anymore. Let's keep moving. Okay. So, we'll have to Okay. So, that's that's where we stand. Okay. Okay. So, you need a motion. So, we spent a lot of time on a lot of other things. You need
a motion. You need a motion to set the things. I know. Do we need a No, I don't believe so. Do we yet? I don't think we've ever taken an official vote on it. I I think you do. We do. You do? Yeah. All right. Because it has to be posted moves that we accept we propose
this accept this calendar. Second. Second. Jack. All in favor? I Okay. All right. So, [Music] uh Patty, um update on the C planning committee
and the community outreach. So we presented um some Ken and and Ed were there the students did a wonderful job and they presented uh the school work they've been doing on the importance of shade trees in the township and they also we showed the video of the town
council went very well was wellreceived uh and so that went well uh culmination and the students made a presentation yeah they made a presentation on work the work that they had done with Mrs. Edson uh and it was terrific and
May did a great job with that. Angelie and Julia in particular did a great job on that and the survey and the video. Um so kudos kudos to the team and uh also community outreach survey is in place. Bunch of people have taken it and I don't know the exact numbers yet. The
shry planning committee is meeting next week and we'll go over what the response has been so far and how the tracking has gone with that. So I have nothing to report on the actual numbers of the survey. Okay. We will find when is this? Is there shutdown date for this? No, we don't have a shutdown date.
It's still because it just went out in the school backpack um after they all came back from Easter break. So, it hasn't been out that long. It was in the newsletter. It's on the website. Um so, it's been end of the school year. It's been in the school. Yeah, I guess end of the school year makes sense, but we'll
you know, it it doesn't hurt to have it open until we need it. We can have it open. There's no reason to close it because until we're ready to actually use it and get data. So we might even want to do another push like hey did you miss the survey take the survey. So we might want to do a second
a second push out since that's easy. Right. So what kind of my sister unfortunately was calling. So I had so how did things go with the council? Very well. Uh the council was uh you know really everybody loved the video and the students and they thought
it was a terrific uh you know terrific piece and it was very positive. It was it was very well. You can see they they did a lot lot of nice work on them. They really did. Okay. So then we have the
um configur community forestry management plan. Okay. So I I've gone on the um Julia um what's her last name? Julia Cerante. Valente. Valente.
You should three or four years from now I'm sure I'll have it. Right. you know, but anyway, uh, so she she had started something that that I started to continue with on the website, you know, for the grant application. So, so somewhere in there, we've got to come up
with a break an breakout. The amount if the grants 5,000 that means there's $1,250 that has to be either township salaries or volunteers, which this um independent sector, whatever they
call it, somewhere around 35 or $36 for New Jersey now and somehow you have to put a breakout in there and somewhere Ricky has to put his seal on it to some extent somewhere and uh some so fitting there.
I just Julia's been working on the grant and what she needs from you is a copy of is is the uh the Davis Resource Group inventory. That's not a draft to put in that. the person that we've been talking to. No, we are applying for grants.
Okay. Any work that we put in ahead of time and have them do the grant will not fund any of that stuff. Any So, the more work we put in before we get the grant, the more we're not going to be doing anything but sitting around and not
matching the grant. I I understand that. application has to go in and when we send in the application the D because I've talked with the state right it has to it has to go in but if we in the grant application put in the statements of work from the person we've already
selected okay what are we going to what are we going to do we're not going to put that in all we're getting from the person we've selected is they're just gratus sending us some examples of other applications and that's just all Right.
And that's that's not we're not putting in any work. We're being very careful not to put in any work. That that's but what the D is willing to do for us because they're hung up waiting to hear from their own attorneys for some of the guidelines. Right. So Pat told me that she what she
will do when we get the application is and Julius will send us the dates that the grant would be in effect so that we could start work for when that date starts. She sent us a letter confirming that help. But just you and Julia will coordinate on this, but my suggestion to
you on the um I know you want to change the title on the Davies resource group. Keep the title the way it is and just underneath it say partial inventory because it is part of the community res community forestry management plan. Just put the words partial inventory in where
on the title page of of the Javies Resource Group report where it says community forestry management plan underneath that just write out the actual fact that it says community forestry management plan. It's actually something that I sort of screwed up. I thought I would use that
because it's okay. When they submitted to us, it just said community forestry plan. Okay. And I put in the word management. But I think that see I'm going to unch I'm going to undo that. So that's just what it is. Even though we still say partial in I would just keep
the way it is because it's going to be part of the final submission that we do and just put what it is partial inventory because it's part of the community forestry management plan submission that we're going to put in just partial inventory. But but it's not our community forestry management plan.
The person who pointed this out to me was D. No, I understand. I understand. So I think I'm going to one way or another it will get put into because eventually the whole thing that gets put together is going to be one document. It's not going to be
it's an attachment. It's an attachment in section one. Do it right there. It's an attachment. It's section 1D ready to go. You can put one anyway. All right. So uh anyway, so we we
got Okay. In the meantime, we'll go we'll go 90 seconds left. They don't have a forum anyway. If you want to keep going. Well, actually, I think we do. Yeah, they do. Actually, I forgot you. You two guys uniforms. I keep anyone can
join this meeting. I second. Okay. Jack and Patty, the official motioners. Excuse me. Hi, it's Maryanne Ellis popping in. How are you? Um, I just want to make sure I'm on the right track for um a potentially dangerous tree on my
block. Um, it's been referred by Mr. Weinstein uh down the road a little bit to Dave Brown. Am I going in the right direction now? What is the address, Bam, please? Is it on It is on the corner.
It's on the corner of Sunset and Garvin Avenue. Yes, ma'am. My name is Bill Brooks. I'm the tree code officer for the town. Hi. That tree uh turns out to be on township property and um it is going to be
removed in a while. Oh, very good. Okay.