All right. Just want to remind everybody that all council meetings will audio and videotaped. They'll be shown on the township provotions and community cable channel 22 on Verizon FiOS and channel 77 on cable vision. Can I have a roll call, please? Mayor Neutani here. Deputy Mayor Fischer
here. Council member Chair here. You can say that. He is here. Perfect timing. Super got the memo. All right. I didn't get the memo. Was there Did you say something? The agenda.
The only reason why I got the memo is because I was here earlier and I saw the red shirts on. I guess for point seriously, come on. Who had your back? I was I guess I came in just wanted a red shirt just Oh, you got the right color on. I said, "Okay, great." The notice requirements of the open
public meetings after this meeting have been satisfied. A copy the annual notice was sent to the Aspbury Park Press posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd, 2025. Uh we're going to start off with our township engineer on the various projects that we have going on.
Okay. Good evening everybody. Good evening. Okay. Uh 2023 road program. We're done with all the paving. We've got some extra work we're doing at an emergency type things. One of which was the curving on Sunset, the Pepsi line on Sunset. We finished a manhole on Beverly. So those should be finished up
in the next couple weeks. We're just waiting on the pipe for the area in front of the Pepsi. Uh the 24 road program was submitted to the DOT. We're waiting for their approval of the road so we can bid that. 25 program last month I gave you the list of roads. Those have been selected. We're just getting all that worked out with the
bonding. So that should probably be pretty much up and running for me to start working on it next month. Next meeting. Next. Yeah, that be on next meeting. Uh next one is the Kewell project. uh that we've uh you already awarded the demo for
that. The uh uh pre-construction meeting for that is next Wednesday with the contractor. They'll get started probably a week after that. So, we should be done with that project probably by the end of August. Uh the next two items, whale pond sidewalks, those are kind of put those on hold. We're kind of nowhere
with those. Uh fireman's pond. Oh, I'm sorry. Whale pond sidewalk where obviously on whale pond but we had remember the two stream crossings we one we didn't get the permit for one we got or they want us to get a stream encroachment permit. So or we kind of just stopped for that and so is it just the bridge or we doing
sidewalks all the way? No, there's the two pieces of sidewalk that are missing. We already have a sidewalk all the way. They're just missing on the east side where the pulp where the guy very good. All right. Okay. Fireman's pond. We're uh scheduled for that for October. We're setting up a meeting with the new DPW director at the
county just to kind of bring him up to speed to make sure he knows what we're looking for. Uh, next one, Lollipop. Uh, we're done with the wetlands and the flagging. The plans are just about done. Probably submitting those by the end of the month back to the state to the state for approval for Lollipop Pond dredging. Once we get that, then we'll start
working on the bridge. I didn't want to start on the bridge until we make sure they don't have any restrictions on the dredging areas. And we're just waiting for that uh meeting that you're supposed to have with county the new public works director to find out for pond. Yeah.
Uh Terrace Pond, we're working on we got to do some additional salt testing because the area that dredging has increased in size. Uh next one 1550 Logan, we're waiting for the D approval. Their 90-day clock ends July 22nd. Um
Bimler, I don't believe the Bibler C closing. We did not close that yet. The DPW guys have to order the concrete uh jersey barrier blocks. They're on back order. Uh they're going to put in temporary the orange plastic ones that
fill the water that the sign the sign was put up by the police department for advanced warning that that is traffic patterning is changing. So I think probably next week that will probably be closed off. The sign says next week. So assuming Monday, Sunday. I got to confirm with DPW the exact day
they're doing it. But that should most likely be next week. Uh, next item is Larchwood Avenue lighting. I got your memo. I looked the last two nights I've been out looking at Larchwood itself, Old Farm, Tulip Court, and then also Saxony. Uh, the lights are
old and it's dim. It's probably not quite up to half a foot candle, which is what normally we require. Um, I've already sent a request to the JCPNL. We got a meeting we're trying to set up for next week to talk about upgrading all those lights. And what I'd like to do is put all L le LED lights in there. I
think it's a light. It's more It's a little brighter and then you don't have to really increase the intensity. It's a little cheaper wattage wise for the utility bill, right? I don't know how long it's going to take and that's what I'm going to find out because I'm probably going to end up we're going to have to phase this. I'm going to try to my first priority would
be Larchwood because the more busily traveled road that's pretty bad. Then we'll go to Old Farm and then uh to court included with that and then Saxony would probably be third if they make me phase it. Okay. Um on the um so does so phase it because
JCPNL is going to tell us to phase it. Yeah. D manpower-wise they aren't just going to be able to commit the because I I would guess and I didn't count the exact number. We probably have over 50 lights just on Old Farm. There's probably about 25 on Marchwood and probably another 20 to 25 on Saxony. So
just the manpower to change that. I'm not looking to upgrade the light bulb once they change it to an LED fixture. Great. Is there a cost to us for that or they picked that up? I think they picked that up because we pay the ultimate electric bill, but I got to confirm all that. Okay. The next thing, uh, new PPW
facility, Cindy Lane. We had a Zoom meeting with ARH. They're the company that we hired to do this the wetland delineation and the, uh, soil remediation work. They have now finished the wetlands delineation. They showed us the plumary map. They're going to be submitting that to the D within two
weeks from now for the LOI. Once we get the LOI somewhat, not necessarily approved, but somewhat seen by the D, they'll give them the authorization to dig the holes. And that's what we need to find out whether it's a landfill or a I forget what the other one was, but the two choices and it depends on how we
move forward after that. Well, it was illegal illegal dumping or a landfill. So, they'll figure that out. probably I would guesstimate the approvals for the yellow probably about 6 months time frame and then we move on from there because the wetland delineation does
kind of conform with the layout. I don't know if everybody's seen the layout I did for the Cindy Lane for future DPW layout. I did a map of that. Um it pretty much conforms I estimated kind of correctly pretty easy because it was just the top of slope. So, I think we're pretty good shape while NY. So,
everything we kind of predicted we could put there, we should be able to build up. Uh, Kramer Court bridge, we're still waiting for JCP to set that meter. Uh, the next one is a stream cleanings. We talked about uh we're going to start a whale pond this winter. We're going to
also try to catch up and do with the with DPW forces. We're going to try the new machine to do between Whale Pond and Mammoth. We're going to get into that a little bit and see how far we get. If we get stuck, we may have to back out and get that bitted out to a private contractor, but I'm pretty confident we can do most of that with their machine.
So, we should be able to get then that would give us all the popler would be done and we'll be starting on whale pond about four years ahead of schedule. Y pretty good shape. Um the next one is um
we added the we talked about the there's been kind of an ongoing problem with Sheridan and Crosby the drainage over there and I'm pretty confident I can fix the problem with paving but I don't want to have to repave the whole road to fix the drainage problem. So we're going to put some drainage in. We could probably use it anyway because it's pretty far
distance. So the drainage will be in this year's 24 program that we bid out. That'll solve the the complaint problem. Will that solve that water that actually comes back like the day we went out there where it's got no it won't settle that because that whole system is just backed
up. But it'll get rid of the standing water. We still have to look at what we talked about going under the tracks and dealing with deal. Yeah, that's the only thing that will relieve that. Isn't Crosby on the list though, Greg, for 2025 to pave? Yeah. Well, that Yeah, I'm saying that
that's why we're going to hold off and do the drainage, but kind of promised the lady, but there's really no drainage there anyway, so this will help her section. She's going to love you, right? Drainage and paving. Yeah, you can't get All you got to do is complain. Yeah. Um, and that was the end of I
already talked about the emergency work we added into the program. Uh, the other I think I had I didn't talk about that. Yeah, that was all I had. Okay. I did have some I did we could talk about the items that you sent me that it was Gita had sent me out this
so Chief Santino wrote back that a lot of it is just state related I mean it was a lot of traffic county and state stuff especially with respect to I mean I agree with them with the person that complained that the light timing is
screwed up there but that that's a state issue right they have to look at that okay Um actually it was two light timing things. One Sheridan I mean Sherman making a left onto Mammoth, right? And then also um park in Norwood,
right? The two turn the turnout here onto this road. He was talking they were talking about is there any way we could change the lighting at Well, that was my I was just saying maybe the problem is that the increment is not coming from the south, it's coming from the north. It's the southbound traffic. There's no
nothing to stagger that. It comes all the way from Roosevelt and the problem is you get no brakes in that traffic. You do get a break coming out because of the light at that intersection. So truthfully, probably the only way to solve that problem is we would have to put a light at that intersection which would kind of
log GM everything around. Right. Right. There's no good answer. Okay. So that that's probably the only way to resolve it because we have problem you could see the other day come out of Grant and Sherman there had to be 10 cars deep trying to turn left out of there. Grant's the worst. It's the worst. You have to make a right. You just have to go around. And the other one was the one way on
Sherman. Um the PD is looking at that now. Okay. They they that we have a discussion with them on some of the roads. Okay. They are reviewing that to make that possibly a oneway also. Mostly because they're concerned with the the emergency vehicles, right? They can't get be able to get down the road because of parking on both sides. Okay.
Which Sherman Sherman going east or west? Both. I mean they're parking. I don't know which I they're looking at which they would recommend high parking. Oh, one side parking. I thought you said one way. No, no, that would be crazy. I'm just checking. I I thought I heard
it wrongly enough that we'll go back to the team. I thought he said one way kind of solve the problem that way, but that would be crazy. Yeah, that would be New York style. Well, dude, certainly if you make Grant one way and Sherman one way, opposite direction, then we'd only have people get on in one spot instead of both. But
yeah. Okay, that's a big that's a bigger plan. Yeah. Uh, so I did have one ask. So, I love taking notes, but it's a heck of a lot easier. Can you start sending us your notes before the meeting? They don't have anything to talk about. Well, then we can be prepared for Well,
then you wouldn't have to talk about anything. You could just say any questions. Yes. Yes, I can do that. Yeah, that that would be easier. Uh on days like today, you might not get it because I was at a meeting prior to this and this I didn't get a chance to send it to Dave early. So, it's I handed him a copy, but I can most meetings it shouldn't be a problem at all.
Thank you. Uh deputy mayor, anything? Yes. So on the on the conversation of timing of the lights, I think a byproduct of the 32 acres project, the ocean, whatever comments, when you're coming from the west, you get to the traffic light, you cross over route 35
and I guess the traffic now coming out of the condos and also Logan has its own independent light. And the problem is you can't it's you never can get through that light anymore. and it's probably picking up one or two cars coming out of
but the problem is it's just g you know it just exponentially slows down that road. I know it's kind of a complicated thing because you got the state and you get the town here but I just wonder if there's some way to fix that so that we can at least keep that flow because you
can't get if you if you're the first in line you could probably make that life but after that you're not making that life no matter what. So it creates the the desired to speed. Well, that's too I'm sure one thing we could do, it'd be very
difficult to time that with the light sequence. That would be somewhat expensive. But one thing we can do is look at uh changing the delay time because when that traffic comes from the south and trips that light, that delay time may only be 15 seconds to change it to red. Yeah. Yeah. Before it switches it. So we can
maybe change that to a minute. There's no reason the people coming that way can't wait a little longer because very little traffic I've asked this before, but the light at Whale Pond and West Park is an antiquated light. I don't believe it has
a timer on it. It is a county light. And I've asked this convers more than a few times. It is just it's bad. It's like 1970s technology. And even a anything smart would be better than what's going on there. And actually, they could probably just put a smart sensor on the light that's there.
I have asked them to look at upgrading that. I'll just I'll reinforce that. It's just ridiculous that I'm concur. My kid almost got killed there. Yeah, it's just just a antiquated light. Absolutely. I'm sorry. You said West Park and Whale. West Park and Whale Pond. It's an old school light. It's there's
no sensor to it. Um and people make that right hand turn because it's so slow because you're sitting there waiting there at 2 in the morning. It's a terrible to make a right hand turn on any side preaching to the choir. I get it. Well, I can see your look. I think they
put their no turn on red there at the on all four sides. Yeah. So that didn't help. No. But you have people turning left. There's not enough room to get around that person either direction. North or south. If the county that was number two on the list, if I remember when it got approved seven years ago. So if we're going to
make a righthand turn lane on each side, that would solve the problem. Y or left turn. Want to be a left hand turn. Yeah. Just make another lane. Exactly. I'll ask him again to creating my uh last question. So 2024 is going to have to bid. Is there any chance that
any of that work will be done in 2025? Most of the concrete work will be done in 25. Okay. We just It's just really a function of how long the the warmer weather stays with how much paving we get done. Yeah. Like last year we got all but I think three roads paved. Yeah. And we started about end of August.
I think 2023 went fairly well. I think they got the work done. You know, I mean for a change we didn't seem to get snowed out. Contractor. Yeah, they did a good job. Yeah, they moved. Yeah, that's it. He I skipped you, but I thought you had your Yeah, I sent questions. I just had one
um additional point on the lighting. So, West Allenhurst is also very dark. I emailed Dave about it. Can we check I feel like we should just do a drive around town and Well, I think most of it's really comes down to most of the streets in town. There was kind of like probably 10 or 15
years ago an impetus to go the other way. there's too much lighting and what they started doing was only putting lights at intersections. So the distance between intersections were dark and a lot of people are a lot of roads are like that. So I mean if we start to get putting in lights, it's going to be far more expensive than these areas we're talking
about tonight because there's ar even any poles there. These areas already have light poles. You just have to change the the actual the fixture in the the structure. So that's not so expensive. But I think we kind of have to probably look that at area by area. If we can upgrade cheaply,
if not, that's going to be got a little different story. But anywhere anybody walks, I mean, the roads were never really intended to have the lighting to walk, you know, in like large groups like we have going, it's really, you know, if a kid riding his bike kind of at dusk, right? And they're really meant to be at a half
a foot candle and they most of them are, but then the lighting got old, so they're a little less than that. Okay. So that's up. So West Allen was the So I'll look at that one. Yeah. It's uh Councilman Weiss, I don't have anything for you, Greg. Can I go back? I apologize.
No, the light the light on my favorite spot. Popular deal and roller. They got all their materials in. They they actually called for their mark out and they're going to be doing that work soon. There you go. I just don't know exactly the exact date because it's a function of the That's huge.
Yeah. But it probably within the next two weeks. Five years coming. Nice. Good deal. Very nice. Yeah, it just took a little time. Uh Dave, uh real quick, two quick things. One, everybody should have received an email about the Route 35
revitalization strategic plan. So, you should have that. It's basically essentially it's a a blueprint and a guide to the future planning uh efforts to revitalize Route 35 corridor. And what we're going to do there, the next step is that I want to meet with the economic development committee and we're
going to I'm going to bring gold in from um what's the name? Topology. Thank you. Topology uh to come in with the economic development so we can take a look at some of these recommendations. If you look at the executive summary, um there's key findings on the physical economic
conditions, traffic circulation challenges, land use barriers, aesthetic, functional issues, and then some of the recommendations are like to encourage reinvestment and redevelopment, implement a facade rehabilitation program, zoning and land use uh reforms, beautifification,
infrastructure enhancements, signage and billboard regulation, and economic development incentives. So, I think the next step now is to meet with the economic development committee. I know uh speaking with councilman chair that you guys are meeting next Wednesday. So I'm trying to get there but I don't think will be able to make that one.
Yeah, we were just going to have a conversation with ourselves to kind of we read it and let's share what we were thinking but we can do that all three of us. It doesn't and I might be traveling that day so I got to figure that out but we're that's the next step. Okay. Whenever whenever you can. Yep. Yep. Yep. So we'll get to that point.
The second thing I as update on our traffic signal uh agreement at Route 18 uh the ramp to deal and cold Indian Springs road and basically they came back with another letter to the clerk uh requesting that the township ocean will assume 25% which we already knew uh
necessary to install the new highway traffic estimated at $71,800. That's down from that's up 2,000 because we we just passed a resolution uh a meeting or so ago uh or last year or whenever it was
but it was 69,325. So essentially it went up another couple thousand. But with that being said, the state is is estimated to pay 215,400 which is the 75%. So um that's what's happening there. So
you'll see another resolution on just I guess next meeting August 14th for that. Um good. Thank you. That concludes my report. And then you have rest for close. We're uh I have one for close.
Right. We're going to cut our uh work session short today, but let's go around. Robin D. Uh Rob, I'm good. Okay. Keep good. Dave, uh I'm good. Wow. How about that? I'm good. Uh, I have two things. Uh, first thing,
and I we got to get this off the plate tonight. Sorry, Jesse, I have to bring this up. Uh, referendum question on the deer. Are we in agreement with doing a question? We need to get it done by August so it
can get over to the county clerk. Um, I I really think we need a more definitive uh response from the residents, unlike the last one that we did. I did bring it here. I think it was poorly worded word worded last time. So, are we going to
move forward with the question or are we going to not go forward? What's the question we're we're trying to frame up here? Um, non-lethal or lethal basically that's what we need to find out what the, you know, and it's a non-binding referendum. So, it's a non-binding reference. Non-binding.
So, we're asking the question. So, we did a non-binding last time. Um, and the way that the question was worded, it was a the results were confusing, not so much the question itself. We did a, "Do you want a lethal, do you want a
non-lethal, or do you want a hybrid?" So, what happened was hybrid. Everyone said, "Why not?" The first question was, "Do you want it to your I understand I I understand the problem. So, we need to and if we're going to do this, you know, puts Jesse under a
little bit of pressure, but um, you know, it's important. So, let's Yes or no on this? Do we want to go with a question or do or you want to kick it down the road another year? Do we So do we what would the per I guess I understand what the purpose
we need a more definitive answer from the residents unlike the last one where it was a little confusing where I could say all right I want a hybrid. So all right so the hybrid you can throw up with the lethal. The hybrid you could throw in with the No, I got it right. So that's why we don't know what the
actual response is. ress. So based on the meeting we had with fish and wildlife, then the question will do what for them or us like what would change? Well, I'm thinking that if people don't want a
lethal means of deer management, then I mean we still should meet with the other town the other municipalities surrounding um along with fish game and wildlife and see if there's a way that we can come up with a plan because Ocean Township doing it alone being surrounded
by Tinton Falls, Neptune, Westlaw Branch, and every other town that has deer. If we go and put a plan in place, I just think it's a feudal effort unless everybody else is on board. I mean, would you suggest that we have a meeting with the other towns first? The only thing is we get past August, we don't
get we don't get a question on them. Let me just ask one follow. I'm good with meeting with them. So, if I understand it correctly, if the town the voters don't say I'm in favor of a lethal, then Well, right. No, no, I get that. But if
they say we're in favor of a lethal, let's say it's not. I think we still have to meet with the other towns. No. No. Yeah. Agreed. But then are we moving forward with that plan? I think we still have to meet with the other towns because I I I personally I don't think we can really do anything
unless we're kind of in unison. I I I that's my opinion. I'm one person. I I just think that if we're surrounded by other municipalities that aren't doing a thing. I know the county's waiting for us to do something based on Wells Park. So, I mean, I think that, you know, we
need to make some sort or lead it off with a meeting with, you know, the other municipalities. I'm good either way. I would do both. I'm good with doing both. All right. So, we can do it simultaneously. You mean about having a referendum? We didn't get to you yet. No, no, no. He said about both. I'm late. He's interrupting.
No, he said about both. You mean having a referendum and meeting with the people? simultaneously because we can't wait for the referendum and we only have to have till August. We really I'll sh I'll share my opinion when it's my turn. So, well
the school teacher we don't you know we usually take one at a time. I'm just saying I'm just saying put your hand down. Go ahead. Um so I'm fine with the referendum but is there a way to be specific about it? We're going to use uh what is it called? Lethal or not? No, no, no.
Bows versus guns or Yes. Okay. And non-lethal will cost us. I mean, I don't know. I feel like sending a question out into the universe without any context is very hard for a voter to make a decision. So, there's two things. Uh,
councilwoman. One, my office will be doing it. Two, it'll be you you have your question and then you have that kind of narrative description. And this is what it is. So, we're going to do it so that it's very specific. Explanatory. Okay. And specific to the point where
non-lethal is going to cause a whole lot of money, right? I think that should be explained. I think that needs to be You might want to throw that in the in the question, too. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Do you want to spend you want to spend X? Man, there's so much characters I think
you put into the question. No, it's like the description. the interpretion. That's good. So, you have that date, Dr. I am not in favor of another referendum question. And I will tell you why.
I believe the question's already been asked. I believe that 60 some odd percent of the population said yes, we have a problem. It was very confusing how we wrote it. It was horribly written. So, yes, I agree we have a problem. The problem is I don't believe we have many options. And we've seen
this from push back from everything from what we can and can't do, it's either going to be ridiculously expensive or, you know, unsafe for, you know, or perceived unsafe. So, we're kind of limited. So, unless we've get a comprehensive plan with the surrounding towns who are willing to pony up for
this thing, I think we we all accept the fact that we do we do have a deer issue. How to deal with it? I mean, I can't see this town spending, you know, hundred of thousands of dollars to try to sterilize deer. millions and with no guarantees it's even going to work.
Staten Island's up to what, seven or eight million right now? Mayor, if I may. Yep. Um, under Mayor Susiano, we met with all the towns already. Yeah. They all said they're all in, but they want Ocean Township to lead the way and come up with the game plan.
So, to me, meeting with the towns again is futile unless we know what we're doing. With Fish Game and Wildlife, though, this time like they educated us. Fish Game Wildlife's been here. I think this is their third. No, no, with the other towns. Oh, no. It was just It was just the towns. It was just us. Yeah.
Um it might have been somebody there from D, but but we all talked about it. Somebody definitely was there from the county. They said, "Look, we we'll we'll do they'll do that part if we do what we got to do. So, we need to figure out what we're doing." Yeah. I just I don't think we're we're
spending our resources in the right place. And I think we're spinning our wheels. And I just don't think I think it should be managed by the state. It's not managed by the state. It should be managed by the county. And unfortunately, I just don't think Ocean Township is going to solve this issue. So, there's my answer. Sorry,
you're not wrong. 100% right. So, in the in the meeting um when we had the presentation, he was pretty clear that whatever we do, if the surrounding areas don't do something, we just get we're just going to replenish, right?
We're right. So, and also I think um if if you do the referendum and somebody and we say we, you know, we opt to have a lethal process here, right? We can't really execute it until we
actually get everybody else on board, right? So, it's actually a vote that we can't execute because we really makes no sense to execute it because we don't have the surrounding towns involved. Dave, would they do the same thing that we would do if we if if we had a we come up and
said, you know, we're gonna have a lethal I'm just throwing this out. No, it was the meeting was like what, two years ago? So, I don't know if there's been that many elected official managerial changes, but basically everybody was like, you know, what's
in some towns like Neptune, they have to less of a problem, I guess. In other towns, like right next door to us, they have the same problems, different uh dynamics because they have more residential backyard issues going on with deer versus we got them in the park
and things of that nature. But there's there's a problem in the area. And just just my last part about this is how many people did we actually have at that session from the 10 people, five people? There weren't that many. But that was probably one of the most
wellwatched YouTube videos that we had from the council meeting, right? We just don't know how many are repeats, right, of the same people watching. I think there weren't that many. Oh, there weren't many. I was going to say, but it was probably check periodically, but it's kind of like we'd have to go through a real education session between
now and then. Really kind of educate people on what the pros and cons are, what we're working on here. That'd be a You couldn't do it in this little paragraph. She just really just now. So he has a personal friend and
but just to add to the So I think I think if I think if we do the referendum there's two problems with it. One is if everybody votes to say okay we want to take some kind of like lethal method we probably don't have a real way to execute it because the the rest of the towns can't do it. And if we
and if we do it the other way and somebody says no, everybody says no, then I'm assuming that well we we may have not educated everybody on the benefits of why we want to do this, right? How we want to save the deer and keep healthy deer population in here at a reasonable amount, right? We probably haven't educated people on what we heard
that day, right? So I think it's just a lot of effort to educate people in this short period of time and not having the town the other surrounding towns involved. So I probably wouldn't be for it. Okay. So, since we're down to the wire and we have less than a month left to get the
question written and and put on for a referendum, then I think what we need to do is when we met with Fish Game and Wildlife, I think this they had suggested that they met up in North Jersey with approximately
50 to 75 elected officials and not not res but elected officials within those in that area to educate them. similarly to what they did with us down here. I mean, I I thought when we left that we were going to try to spearhead them to
educate the elected officials and then we could probably do what you're saying, Jeff. We can start a, you know, to educate, you know, the residents on why the issue is so complex and why we can't just, you know, make a decision on this because it it is really one of those
situations that's split. The town's split. Let's face it. you know, you hear for it, against it. So, I, you know, and Dave, you made very, very good points. Also, John, it's not it's really not uh I mean, the whole idea of the other towns kind of passing the buck to us, I
think that's a that's a bunch of bull, right? It's like, you know, if we're all in it, we're all in it, right? They have the same tinfalls or whoever the surround and they have the same problem we have. If if they decide that they that they want to take some kind of measure, right? It's not going to work for them either, right? So, without without working. So
why I don't understand why we became, you know, the sole heir of this uh of this decision. I would think we got to sit down with them and say, "Okay, if we're all going to try to figure out the problem, let's all agree on how to figure out the problem. Here's what our recommendation is. What's your recommendation?" And figure out what the problem is. I don't think I don't think
we should let anybody take a, you know, abstain from the vote. That would be my that would be my opinion on it. All right. So then maybe that's what we do, Dave. we uh start to uh get some meetings with the towns surrounding us. If we're meeting with the towns again, I
think it's fuel. You got to have DP's got to be involved. Bring everybody together. They have to take the lead. Not DP, Fish Game Wildlife. That's D. Okay. What do you think? Cuz us meeting with them, we're just going I thought we were going to do that with Fish Game Wild. I thought we were going to have them have a meeting with the
electeds. They said, weren't didn't they say we're going to have the mayors come in or whatever. Yeah, but we I think somebody has to spearhead it. I think we have to host it, per se. I don't have a problem us hosting it, but let's do that, Dave. All right. So, I I will call uh the
representatives that came in and let's do that and then we'll probably look towards Tinton Falls, West Long Branch. And basically what you're saying is we we need a regional effort. We need a regional effort and if we if I agree with Jeff
we need to have everybody in unison on it and if we don't then and mayor and c I really think everybody is in unison. I just think no one knows what the unison plan is. That's that's it. We need we need help with the plan. Well then let's let them educate
everybody in one spot and we'll go that way. everybody. But those those other towns probably heard the same presentation we heard, right? I don't know if everybody those other towns have no idea. I don't know. You were running down Ocean Avenue the other day.
Well, Dave Dave uh Brown, we can find out if people already heard the presentation. If they didn't, then let's do it. If they did, either way, I think if you're not going to do a referendum, I think the best thing is to get uh D Fish and Wildlife Regional Effort. See if we can strike
that up. Yep. uh and we come sort of a regional agreement to address this all together. Good deal. Yeah. And uh last thing the joint board uh just so you guys are aware uh right now planning board does not have anything
scheduled for four to six months because their board is very late. Whereas zoning is the busy one. So this is another one that would have to go for a referendum. So, we're either going to pull the trigger tonight or
we're going to let it go till next year. I don't really have an opinion either way at this point. Let me hear what the counterparts around here have. Okay. So, what did you do, Rob? I did. I got swayed last week or last to pull to pull the trigger.
So, I also Yeah, join to join. I'm good either way, but I think we just need to have the facts understood. And I think Ed was talking to Kevin this week about the fact that the planning board, we don't we it's unclear whether we have the
ability to to start over with the planning board or whether the planning board would just be given the zoning board's powers. And if that matters, it's something we should think about. I don't know if it matters or not, but it's something that we might want to What do you mean? Yeah, I'm confused. So comes a combined board.
So the combined board we don't get to say starting over. Oh, it is. So we don't it's unclear whether we can say starting over. We get to pick all our new people or the new board. Yes. Is the planning board who's saying it's unclear because from Ed brought it up to Kevin and Kevin said
you're right. It is unclear. And so start. Yeah. Okay. And so we can get that news to me. Yeah. But we can we can find out from Kevin. Yeah. As for how I understood it was that basically it was it was ground zero. You start all over and then this body would have to pick or reappoint
some of the members back on to it. De them they would organize and picked a new chair, vice chair, pick the same people. It would just be less people, right? Meaning twice a month. Now you don't get So we wouldn't get to pick. It seems I it seems like I don't want to speak for
governing body gets to pick. No, we don't get to pick it. The planning board, unless their terms expire, would get to would be still exist because it's questionable whether um we're given the power to to do that to to
Okay, I'll go back and ask Kevin. This is a minute. So, that's why I wanted I I just want to make sure we're clear on what maybe we are. It's just not the I don't we don't have a final decision. We can get it clear. Yeah. Fisher. I'm actually uh for this um in light of
the fact that there's no business for six months. That's a lot. Um you know, so I'm okay with it, but I think yeah, just like you know, let's get it all just make sure everybody can make the meetings, do their job, you know, it's uh you don't want to overload people. They're volunteers. I get that part. So
I would think that once they get caught up a bit, it will dissipate somewhat. I mean, especially if you're joining the boards and you're, you know, going through the work, they're going to increase. I mean, right now, the zoning board's backed up because they've got so much
work that the planning board doesn't. So, I think once they get caught up, I would assume that they could maybe roll back down to once a month. So, they're going to do two meetings a month. I think they're going to need it to get caught up. So, that it also it's uh it turns into I think a benefit to the
residents as well, so they're not waiting as long. um cost savings to the town, one board, one set of you know professionals. So the other provision is if some big case does come down the the pipeline in the future, you have to make a provision for that because that can that becomes its
own entity, you know. Well, we got the Orchard Plaza site coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Orchard Plaza sites coming up and remember they have four alternates so they can work something out amongst themselves that you know working on the boards and stuff.
Okay. Jeff. Um, I'm I'm okay with it. I mean, I think the look at the major problem is that we you're asking you might be asking the same seven people to show up twice a month or eight people showing up twice a month, they might not want to do
that. And when they have a a case, that's why you got to make sure, first of all, are they doing a good job? Second of all, are they going to show up? You have to have enough people who are going to show up and care. And um and then I guess what Dave was pointing to is that sometimes you do get a two-hour case
and that you know that that's a night, you know. So I'm okay with it as long as there's some I mean I don't know what the I guess is to re if there's no docket now for six months. There's nothing on the
said she said he's got date. I mean that's uh that's incredible. So with that I mean with that piece of data I would say it well is that because everybody's just shifting over to zoning is that what it's not a landlite plan reviews or anything like that. Yeah. So if that is
or major building is is completed for now till other projects start start up. Yeah. As long as we have a method to be able to handle a bigger case and have a a good group to handle that that's I would I'm good for it. Okay.
There we go. So, you only have one maybe. Unfortunately, we have to go on a close session because we have a couple of items that uh the manager needs to discuss. But
I'm being respectful. You're talking. I'm looking. U motion to go into close session. I'll move second. Second. All in favor? I We can't We got to Even close. I'm not
Whatever time I'm left with, I'll make it work. Yeah. All right. Well, we we'll give five minutes for the public if you want Avenue. Linda Shapiro Buckaloo. I live avenue. We are all here. I've lived in the area for over 40 years. I hate to
say that I have raised my children here. We are very concerned about the parking on our side of the street. We actually the east side the east side of the street. We actually want to thank the mayor and council terror for listening to our concerns before this.
What's the address again? My address 45 414 4145 I'm 39 39. So right now it's it's being discussed. We're actually going into close session
to go over this matter and we'll we'll come out and either take action or no action after the meeting on the ordinance that we have right now. Okay. You know, just real quickly, I'll let everyone else speak because I know you crunch for time here. You know, there's been many incidents where I've
had people parked in front of my house, strange strange cars, strange people, and I go out in my car and I I as I get to them, they've been there for an hour, hour and a like surveilling the area. As we know, crime has increased exponentially in our area. Terrible
carjackings and people breaking in from Mammoth University. I mentioned to the mayor broke into the house and vandalism, a lot of craziness. So, it's I am very frightened to have people parked in front of my house or this goes along with the sidewalks also, but I know we're not here that for that today.
And the police has actually told us, all of us, do not engage with them because they are dangerous and we know what they're doing, so don't. So, we've stopped doing that. It's a dangerous thing, especially in these times that we're in now. And it's just dangerous also for us getting out of our houses. We can't see. Larry is a very narrow
street and parking on either side, but especially our side. And I watched the video from last week. We didn't know they were talking about that. And they were concerned after one day of the parking as it was approved last year, but the signs weren't moved for almost a year. And they were concerned just
having one day and not even the sh's not even open yet. you know, with all the traffic coming from north and south and Mammoth University and everybody else that's coming there. So, we're very concerned and we would like you to listen to us. We don't want parking on our side or any side of the street as we discussed. We're going to we're going to discuss
that in close session. Um, so it's definitely being discussed. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. So, I live at 45 Lwood. Um, I've been there since we've been there since 1991 192. And when we bought in ' 91, we
moved in '92, but um when I when we come out of our driveway and we you have to go into the middle of the street before you can see cars coming and I'm just waiting for someone to hit me and now there's a lot more traffic between mom and university.
We we I went over that with the engineer after I left after I left. Uh engineer is going to make some recommendations to us. So I want to hear what he has to say and then uh you know we'll be making a decision. And we just want just one thing is you know now the synagogue is
much bigger and what people don't understand is there's activity day and night seven days a week from early in the morning when there's the morning prayers to the brises or whatever it's constant activity which was never supposed to be but it is and that's
and that's something the engineer is going to go over with us in close session as well and you know we'll ask the questions. All right so I'd like to summarize I think think Most people on the street would be very happy not to have any parking regardless. Each
one pushes it to the other side except the guy who wants it on his side of the street. So there's one guy like that. But if we don't have park, I think everybody will be happy to resolve a lot of issues. No barking. Uh some sort of whatever. Don't change the street any further with sidewalks and stuff like
that because you have to take off BMS in my my side of the house and we'll be all very happy. Be thankful. Second request, when you do the LEDs, make them byheaded and make them aiming along the length of the street rather
than into the houses because those are shining pretty bright. Black on tennis schools, they have headed M units, please. Thank you. Yes, over there. Oh, yes. Um, we live name and address Ryan and Joseph Ryan.
We live at 28 Tutor Drive, um, Wayside section, and that's the corner of Tutor and Buckingham. Um, for the last five years, our curves uh and the street have been deteriorating. Every winter with the plows and the salt and the freezing and thawing, it gets worse. The snow
plows have been beating up the curbs. Um, I live at 28 Tutor, but I'm on the corner of Tutor and Buckingham. So, my neighbors at 29 Buckingham behind me, 30 Tutor across from me or next to me, and 30 Buckingham, they're all crumbling as
well. And I know um Mr. Weinstein sees when he drives into the neighborhood home every day. But where my specific driveway meets the street, the curb is nearly completely disintegrated. Um, I took some pictures because a picture is worth a thousand words. Um, but uh this
place where the disintegrated curb meets the street, it has caused the street now and the black top to start disintegrating because that seam is gone. And I did call roads uh the township number for the roads public works um for assistance and I was told they could not or they would not be able
to I was told I had to come to a town council meeting. That is why I'm here. I'm not kind to just spend my nights at town council meetings. What's supposed to mean? Wait a minute. This is our entertainment phenomen.
I just want to say I want a patch. I want to get I want it addressed. I want it fixed. It's been slowly deteriorating and it's to the point where they're literally just crumbling away and now it's affecting the street. Like we don't we have SUVs. My husband has a truck. I have an SUV. But when my children were there and they had cars, their cars
would bottom out on the way into the drive. Right. You don't have any idea when this one's on the program. Right. To No, I know. It's It's bubbling up. I mean, we rate we rate the roads every year in town. All the roads. And what drives us to do a road program is not the curbs, it's the pavement. Because
we're interested in the pavement. We do replace the curbs when we do the pavement. I know you're, as you've seen, we're in the area over there doing other roads around you. So, you're it's bubbling up and you're I don't know that you're you're not in this. They did something in front of on um the tutor side. They did it literally a few
days ago, but then there was a pothole on the um Buckingham corner and they missed that one. And I didn't think it was my place to go out and tell them, "Hey, excuse me." You know, I'm not going to do that, but I mean, they're kind of everywhere. And it our apron, as
you can see from the pictures, the apron for the driveway is intact. It's the curb. And then where the curve meets the street, now the street is um ready to go. Undermined and it's falling apart. So now I would tell you we would probably be there in in two years or less. Off the top of my I didn't bring my list
with me, so I can't tell you exactly, but it's you're on the list and it's it's bubbling up. Okay. So probably within two years we will be on your street. Okay. We'll hold that long. I leave you those for your viewing pleasure. Thank you.
Motion to call and close. Well, I just want to make one point. Um, I'm a shrine. I live at 39 Marshwood. Um, I thought you had a a great idea to put a bike lane on Marshwood Avenue. I think it's a fabulous idea because everybody's
on bicycles all day long, all night long. And, you know, the aspect of parking with a bike lane is a little bit little bit funky. I don't know how that's going to work out, but I think it was a great idea. And I'd love to see that as opposed to anything else.
Okay. Thank you. Motion to go and close. Nice to see you. Motion. Second. Second. All in favor? I just going to remind everybody out there that all council meetings will be audio and videotaped and shown on Oceanceans's
community cable channel. Channel 22 on Verizon Fios and channel 77 on cable vision. Can I have a roll call, please? Mayor Naplani here. Deputy Mayor Fischer here. Council members the chair here. Kaplan here. We here. Okay. Can we stand up to say a pledge of allegiance and remain standing
as we say a solemn prayer in honor of the people who lost their lives down in the Texas blood. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please
remain standing. You may be seated. The notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Aspbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd, 2025.
There are two emergency exits to my right that'll take you to the front of the building and one to my one to the rear that'll take you to the back of the building. Please make sure that all cell phones are turned off and if you need to make a call, kindly step outside. I'm going to start off with council comments. We're going to start now with
Deputy Mayor Dave Fisher. Thank you, Mayor. Uh just want to thank everybody for uh the wonderful Kenny Picket event that we had. We was well attended. 85 kids were there. Uh Kenny stayed for the whole thing. And I actually said to Ken Senior, I said, "What what are you more
proud of? your son's success in in football or watching these kids and him playing football and and inspiring all these young athletes. And he said that's a tough question. So I want to thank everybody especially Mike Patrico for all his hard work. Coach King for uh
giving your time on a very hot day and uh hopefully we inspire a few in the next generation to go on to do great things. Uh I just want to let everybody know that the mayor's wellness committee is continuing to uh do some programming. We're going to be doing a take a walk with the deputy mayor. We're going to do
that in the fall. So, we're going to walk around Playa Park and uh I've been talking about this for a long time. So, I'm going to put some dates together and I'll work with Tracy on that. And I do want to offer the uh the Bass family uh condolences on the passing of their mom, Paul. A longtime residents of Ocean
Township and close friends of mine. So, condolences to them. Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Councilwoman Kaplan. Just want to thank uh our recreation department for an amazing July I will call it July 4th on July 2nd celebration. Um everyone enjoyed it.
Really was a beautiful night. So uh thank you and looking forward to next year. Thank you Councilwoman Councilman Sarah. Uh we have uh the Chamber of Commerce has a mixer this uh coming up this Tuesday the 15th at Miller's A House. You can go to the website to register.
Also, registration is open open for our annual golf outing uh which is always a sellout. So, get there early. Uh again, we are honoring the uh tunnels tower. We are donating to tunnels towers. So, uh it's a charitable event and uh always a
sellout like I said. So, you can go to www.gotcc.org to register. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, uh Councilman Weinstein. Thank you, Mayor. Um, one is I just want to echo what uh uh Deputy Mayor Fischer said about the uh about the Kenny Picket
event. It was a nice event. A lot of good energy, a lot of kids from all ages, and was it was a real good time. Really done well by everybody. Also on uh this past uh week, we uh um Kelly Kelly Irvin had a uh the My Lin Terry Foundation golf outing, which was also a
special event. um a ton of golfers, a lot of good a lot of good vibes and a lot of good energy and a lot of money donated to the cause. So, I was happy to be part of that and uh it was a great event. So, I want to kind of congratulate her and the Picket family for for doing all that. Um Greenfest is
uh well underway and we have some good energy going on and putting that as part of Fall Fest. So, we're going to be uh hearing more about that. And then the Shade Tree Commission is um is in full swing putting a plan together to give to uh Dave Brown on how we're going to be using some of the funds available to us.
Thank you, Councilman. Dave Brown. Uh no comments tonight, Mayor. Thank you, sir. Uh all matters listed under the consent agenda considered routine. Actually, I have one uh one announcement real quick. We have the mayor's charity event on
July 23rd at bar anticipation. Uh we actually have close to 200 people coming to this event right now. Their tickets still available. Please contact Jen Nordstrom. Uh for any information. Uh again, all matters listed under the consent agenda are considered routine by the township of council and will be
enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of these items. If discussion is desired on any item, that item will be considered separately. The purpose of the public portion is to solely ask questions and understand resolutions that appear on the agenda and is not an occasion for a public hearing on an
ordinance. All questions not related to an item on this agenda should be asked during the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting. I'll open it up for public questions on any agenda items resolutions. Seeing you hear none, do I have a motion
to approve the consent agenda? I'll make a motion. Second. Second. Roll call. Ed, yes. Sorry. Fisher, yes. Kaplan, yes. Weinstein, yes. Nutanic, yes. Individual action vouchers in the
amount of $7,690,64529. Someone, please offer. I'll offer. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Neatani. Yes. Okay. Ordinances. We are pulling
ordinance 2515. So we'll start off with 2512 which is an ordinance amending chapter 10 of the revised general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled regulations for handling garbage recyclables vegetative waste and bulk trash section 10-6.4 four leaves
and section 10-6.5 grass, soil, sod, thatch, and brush. Please, someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2512. I move to open public just kidding. I move to open public discussion on ordinance uh 2512.
Second. Second. Roll call. Aura, yes. Fischer, yes. Kaplan, yes. Weinstein, yes. Nutani, yes. Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2512, please step up to the microphone. State your name and address for the record. Nobody behind you there,
Dennis. I see hear none. Do I have a motion to close public hearing on ordinance 2512? I'll make a motion to close the public hearing on ordinance 2512. Second. Second. Roll call. A chair? Yes. Fischer? Yes. Kaplan? Yes. Weinstein? Yes. Nutani?
Yes. Action on ordinance 2512? I move to approve ordinance 2512 and publish according to law. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Nutani. Yes. That ordinance passes. And Jeff, I'm very impressed. You did a good job that time.
Thank you. Practice before the meeting. Yeah. Ordinance 2513, which is an ordinance authorizing the enforcement of subtitle 1, title 39 of the revised statute to the state of New Jersey to be applied to the property owned by 3200 Sunset Commons LLC and designated on the
township's tax maps as block 137, lot 23, also known as 3200 Sunset Avenue in the Township of Ocean, amending and supplementing chapter 12 of the revised general ordinances of the Township of Ocean 1965 entitled traffic. Someone please open public discussion on
ordinance 2513. I'll move to open public discussion on ordinance 2513. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Neatani. Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2513. Please step up the microphone. State your name and address
for the record. Seeing here none, do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2513? I move to close public discussion on ordinance 2513. Second. Second. Roll call. The chair. Yes. Fischer? Yes. Kaplan? Yes. Weinstein? Yes. Napani?
Yes. Action on ordinance 2513? I move to approve ordinance 2513 and publish according to law. Second. Second. Sorry. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Neglani. Yes. That ordinance passes and
Jeff is two for two. Ordinance 2514, which is a bond ordinance providing for capital improvements and the acquisition of various capital vehicles and equipment appropriating $2,680,000. Therefore, and authorizing the issuance of $2,551,600
in bonds and notes to finance a portion of the cost thereof authorized in and by the township of Ocean County of Mammoth. Someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2514. I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2514. Second. Second. Roll call.
Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Naplani. Yes. Dennis. Anything. Seeing none. Do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2514? I move to close public discussion on
ordinance 2514. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Weinstein. Yes. Nutani. Yes. Action on ordinance 2514. I move to approve ordinance 2514 and publish according to law. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera.
Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes. Wininstein. Yes. Nutanic. Yes. Uh that ordinance also passes. Ordinance 2516 which is an ordinance amending ordinance 2338 entitled an ordinance fixing salaries and compensation of
certain offices, positions, and employees in the township of ocean. Someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2516. I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2516. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera. Yes. Fisher. Yes. Kaplan. Yes.
Wy. Yes. Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2516? Please step up to the microphone. State your name and address for the record. Since Dennis has nothing to say. I actually have a question. I'm good. Seeing here, none. Do I have a motion to
close public discussion on ordinance 2516? I'll move to close or uh excuse me, close public discussion on ordinance 2516. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera, yes. Fischer, yes. Kaplan, yes. Weinstein, yes. Nepali, yes.
Action on ordinance 2516. Move to approve ordinance 2516 and publish according to law. Second. Second. Roll call. Aera, yes. Fisher, yes. Kaplan, yes. Weinstein, yes. Lieutenant. Yes, that ordinance also passes. And Jeff, I think you passed the test
tonight, so you might be able to be a uh first next time. Okay. Uh open up for public comment. Anyone wishing to be heard? Uh anything Germaine to the Township of Ocean, you may step up to the microphone and state your name and address for the record. And just for the record, Jesse, how much
time does he get? Five minutes. Five minutes. Yes, Dennis Hel, 1638 Hullbrook Street. And I guess I should ask a bunch of questions if I only have five minutes. I'll ask them all at the same time. Good. If that makes sense to you. Uh I I'm going to make a comment about
ebike signs in in Player Park. They seem to be working uh but not completely. and I sent some information in hopefully that some more ebike signs will be put up in uh in more suitable places. I don't know how that's coming along, but you can't answer me now or you waste my
five minutes. We'll give you five. Let's get all the questions out first. Okay. Okay. Uh I'm curious, is the plastic film thing still working? Is that still going on? Yes. Or did they just miss people's houses this time? Okay, we'll find that out. Go ahead,
Dennis. Okay. because I'm very very pro the plast plastic film thing. Uh is there any move I'm ask I'm going to ask if there's any movement that is of public interest about the new uh town hall process going forward. I've seen
I've seen the uh request to have the property in 35 an area in need of development. I'd be curious if there's anything new that you can let me in on. Uh I know at the same time for the board of educ for the uh
searching for the property of new town hall, the board of education building on Mammoth Road uh was considered for that and there was an awful lot of rumors going around town about what was going on with that and how you're able to work or not work with the board of education and if there's an update on that piece
of property, I'd be interested in that. Uh, and I have a question about uh Brookside uh road where there's I think it's seven properties are there as uh blue acres and they're maintained by the
town. I see that they are I imagine they're maintained by the town. They uh they're mowed they just look like regular lawns. That's fine. And I have a suggestion or a question about what could be done with those properties so that they might become I'll say mini arboritums maybe sponsored by a business
in town where you could put in a a tree or two and say this is sponsored by the Robura Ballet School or something like that and that would might mitigate uh the need for the town to mow them all and do some help with the uh uh tree
coverage in town putting in native trees and stuff like that and I know Mr. Weinstein is uh part of the state street commission and if you have some I have some comments I have some ideas about that and that's it. Okay, Dennis, let me uh go through the
ebike signs. Uh we can talk to the chief about that and traffic department and police department about adding additional signs. Uh yes, the plastic film uh is still going on. And as for you not getting it picked up, we can have the manager look into that for you as well.
Yeah, I would just suggest calling public works. Okay. Just telling you you were missed and then they'll usually send somebody out or contact a vendor to come back. It's not a big deal. The information that's on the website
look really no information there at all except where you can rent it's not specific. So what's on the website that you look at township website
I'll take a look at that. uh town hall right now discussions are kind of stalled. We're still trying to figure out where the best location is and where we potentially want to go and you know looking at the cost and everything else. So right now it's kind of stagnant.
Um board of ed we have not had discussions with the board of ed on you know putting town hall there. It's uh chief of police is definitely not for town hall over there traffic-wise getting in and out egress you know out. It's just it's a busy section down that
end. So, it's not real conducive to town hall. Um, so that's, you know, that's Yeah. Yeah. There's that that's way tighter down that end. I mean, the only way 35 where Orchard Plaza works is if we had a light out there, too. So,
that's a whole other, you know, ball of wax. The police department needs a way to get in and out. They can't just have one way to go that way. So, the only way that that that area works is if we could get a light. So, it
there's no back out at Orchard Plaza. There's no back out there. That's it. You can only go one way once you get in there. So, if you want to go Yeah, there is. There's a you know, we're looking into ways that that could potentially be opened up, but that's,
you know, a little ways off as well. Um, and Brookside, Blue Acres, uh, putting trees and stuff. We would have to check, uh, Dave, we would have to check with, uh, I guess Greg Blash, right? On the Blue Acres. Yes, ma'am.
Okay. Yeah. About putting trees and and additional thing, you know, vegetation on there. Yep. I know there was restrictions when we got Yeah. I don't know what you can and can't do on acres. It's pretty strict, but we maintain it.
Yeah. Once the state takes it, the townships management. Okay. Thanks, Dennis. If I may, mayor, on on so Dennis was emailing Dave Fischer and myself and those signs have already been ordered and they will be placed at at least the
s the locations you suggested amongst others. So, thank you. Yep. There still are an awful lot of people doing that putting signs up. That's that's a problem, too. I'm probably the most
experienced. I agree. So, Dennis, let me add a little something to what Rob said. Uh, so I did talk to the police department and they are stepping up enforcement. Uh, they have issued some summones, etc. So, they're on it and it's just going to be a slow progression. Got to get the
message out and and it's just going to take some time. Yep. One place that is probably the busiest way is coming from the high school. Kids will come through behind school down street there and go in the exit that's
across the street from the salt. Yeah. work in progress. That's it. Take it with you. Thank you, Dennis. Motion to adjurnn. So moved. Second. Second. All in favor?
I have a great evening, everyone. Very welcome. It's a night