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roll call please M NE Lan here Council memb theer here kapan here here the notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal
clerk on January 3rd 2025 first up for discussion we have our CFO Richard Ricky Garts so Ricky let's see what we got tonight thank you mayor uh good evening everybody I uh previously had forwarded
you my budget recap and the detailed budget book we're not going to T the budget book tonight we're just going to go over with a recap of where we stand right now on the proposed budget that we hope to introduce at the April 10th meeting um the proposed budget that you have in front of you is looking at a
$144 increase per home average homeowner which is like $12 a month um just a few key things I want to touch upon are the revenue losses from 2024 on what we started this year with that we knew was going to be a hurl to get over first off we lost $860,000 in arpa funds that we
had balanced the budget with last year we had balanced the previous two years with 800 800 so we knew this was coming secondly was the state aid dropped by $263,000 and the last one was TOA Surplus that they give us 5% every year
they took an extra $94,000 back this year so starting this year's budget I'm in the whole $1.2 million from revenues right off the bat can I stop you so I get the first two M on the tosa one what do you mean they decided to do that they
ad oped a budget whereby 5% that was due to us they reduced it down by $93,000 and never spoke to anybody here and we are going to do what about that I've already been in contact with Tim Shay there's nothing I can do for this year okay but he assures me that
that will get restor till next year can they double it next year uh it's limited to the 5% whatever the calculation comes out to it would increase but uh I had spoken to Dave about this as well that nobody reached out either one of us telling us we were getting caught are
they able to do that given the resolution we passed yeah basically they can give up to 5% so it's in but the thing would be a nice courtesy call to let us know that cuz to meet their budget they had to do that they're talking about um next year
to to write the ship to my understanding has been a rate increase over there for years so they've got to look at their own uh books and budget and accounting to see what they want to end up doing for next year but this year is what it is we we're where we're at it's hard to believe that that rate's been the same
for the amount of years that it's been I mean unfortunately you know Ricky I thank you for meeting with me earlier today yeah it's a little aggravating that they're going to balance their budget by pulling back the money so hopefully we get this rectified for next
year I mean look it comes out of one pocket or the other I get it but you know we have we have a sizable amount of services that we provide so let's try to get that on track for next year last question when did we find
out uh I found out about three weeks ago when I asked for their budget so well the residents will be happy that they didn't get the rate increase for tosa but you know unfortunately it gets passed on in the town so um any other questions in regard not
on those three thank you uh good news new is that uh 2025 new revenues is the hotel has been generating funds for us uh so we have an anticipated $75,000 line item for hotel fees this year which we never had before hopefully that will
continue to increase um I can probably go higher on that but I uh got to play it safe because we didn't have a full year last year and I got to see where that ends up so so your uh your estimate of 75 is based off the first few months of that place being open yeah through
the end of 1231 I think it opened in June somewhere around there I think we brought in like 70,000 right oh wow but January February March has dropped off considerably from what we were getting so season it's in June this year it's
going to be probably yeah so uh right after the Memorial whatever we realize in excess just go down to the bottom L yeah so they should start ramping up around May again okay that's good fair enough on that um the 25 uh big cost
increases salaries are going up 1.54 million all contractual there's no new bodies included in that number um liability insurance is going up 5% our workers comp insurance is going up 12% um Dave and I or I
shouldn't say Dave Tracy and I have in contact with the GIF to try to get a handle on why our premiums are going up so much on the uh workers comp side um we haven't gotten to the bottom of that yet but uh we're working on Ricky do we do quarterly meetings for the
comp I don't I haven't been involved in anything not you meeting what do you mean by that man oh when I uh we do quarterly meetings over in Asbury Park on with on the school side as president of the Union I'm always in those meetings or at least I was up until maybe a couple of years ago but we have
quarterly meetings to go over what the uh you know what the uh issues are within the comp to see where you know the employ employes are having issues workers workers comp yeah oh we meet monthly with the GIF monthly with the GIF and and it's done in executive
session because it's you know sensitive information right yeah now we met um we would meet obviously not in public but they do go over different safety issues that they can work on yeah I'm the the jef commissioner and Tracy's the uh alternate commissioner okay and we're
both one those meetings monthly all right so then they give any indicator why everything I mean do we have a lot lot of use with the comp policy um that would make that we have a lot of injuries I really don't want to go any further than no no I know I know you
can't y but I guess safety things we can work on correct yeah and all that is we we have there's a whole safety component to the GIF they come out and check everything and but we just bad situations like we can't predict some of
the stuff that happens um the other two big uh buckets that we had to fill this year is obviously health insurance the state health insurance went up 19% again how much 19 um fortunately uh we had a lot of uh people change their plans to a high deductible
plan which saved us like $100,000 on top of that off of that 19.7% so we're only really going up about 8% so that that was a bonus on that end but it's still $220,000 um and the pension bill it's
got one up 190,000 which is 7.7% those five five items alone are 1.7 million dollar that nothing can be done about there's there's there to pay and there's you can't get around it so with
that 1.7 and the 1.2 we lost in revenues there's $3 million this budget is pretty lean and we and we got it down to only have an increase of $1.86 million so with that being said you know I'm sorry 1.6 on top of and I'm sorry
I'm not seeing that but 1.6 on the 1.86 I think above and beyond what we couldn't touch no in total toal in total correct okay that's that's the that's the uh adjustments minus the adjustments right correct so it's 1.86 right and the
adjustments are the First Column is pretty much what what occurs what asked for ETC the second column is for me and what I I'm change so I can keep track instead of hiding it somewhere okay um
other than that you know $144 to the average homeowner $12 a month with what we ended up facing I think is pretty good um our Surplus went up $1.7 million so I'm adding an extra million dollars of that
Surplus back into this budget to keep it balanced 1.7 on what we took in last year correct y so we anticipated 8 million last year we rebuilt 9.7 so I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the book or anything
like that if you have any specific questions I don't want to go line by line here with you unless you want me to um well I did look at the book um and I want to tell you I felt the I thought the the um the thing I thought was most valuable was how you kind of did this
recommendation your adjustment or what have I don't know if you I don't know if that's a new process but that was uh and the comments on the side were incredibly helpful okay okay um there was just a couple of things I just wanted to to know because there was uh uh uh bigger gaps than other things that were going
on I didn't know if it was just if I was contextually missing it okay um so like for example um like uh we had um uh security people at the schools you had two something 250,000 that was kind of recommended then you said 136 I just I was just
wondering if there was some context you saw the note on the right it's in two places half of that's outside of the cap half of it's in the police budget 72 actually oh so okay I missed that thanks yes um the other one was on the maintenance equipment you had a large gap between what was there I think they
reased 942 you said 750 and I was just I was just wondering it wasn't it wasn't anything like I mean at the end of the day it's not a lot of money compared to what's going on the budget I just was wondering what the context was behind that like I've had some discussions with the the uh DPW director on what needs to be done there because this P can't
continue to pay that's kind of plus oh on repair and maintenance yeah it just it's unsustainable okay you know especially with the vehicles that we're purchasing we've got new vehicles out there I mean why are these costs still going up okay good so that was I was really because I was wondering I couldn't see what was going on so it was really more you kind of saying this
can't be right we got to you know do something about it okay that was that was really only the couple things I had I thought I I was actually wondering does the on the police part on uh is there was that an increase in officers that we're that we're kind of budgeting for it was not an increase in officers
no new contract contract got settled okay so on average when a new Step goes up for everybody and they're all going unless they're at the top and I think what we were at last year in the top 12 people yeah so everybody below every increment is like $8,000 they all got a step every year
times so by that's just the step plus whatever the contractual obligations are okay so there was no there was no officers they asked for officers but not in here no they ask for two new officers two new officers but we're not okay okay even with the breakage they're
not in there no so I'm not a privatization guy at all don't I I I I don't believe in it but have we explored garbage pickup in a different entity other than us I mean we're
looking at the repair and maintenance on these vehicles staff in and everything else has that ever been looked at by the municipality since I've been here for a a Delissa or waste management or one of those companies that do it not the I know of no you know I'm not saying we
need to I'm saying maybe through I know we have garbage trucks on order right now I I you know and there there may be a way through attrition that maybe it gets if if the price looks right if if it if the ways don't justify the means I'm definitely not for it mhm um I do
like our you know the fact that we do our own stuff but you know we we we just went to the county for the EMS services and it's working out pretty well better than we did it um it might be something
we want to look into uh even if we bought these trucks I get it you know we've got we've already you know decided to do that but if we were to potentially look at the potential cost savings and maybe do it through a trishan where we
section out the town where you know we start to slowly if again the numbers make sense so maybe we can start to look into that um I know another taboo discussion is the uh dispatch um I've spoken to my uh
counterparts in other towns I know Aberdine just went over to the County dispatch um I don't know what type of cost savings are there and I know we like the home rule and we've got you know a feel for feel for all our streets
and the department knows that but you know we like to get more positions out on the street so we might have to look at areas that would be cost savings if we're going to do that I know nobody wants to talk about that but these are real things that we
need to look into um to see what we can do that might be better than us doing it we're a big municipality I know we can handle a lot but there may be things that might be a little cheer mhm I'm just saying we might want to explore it
okay question just um you mentioned that we're not adding any bodies right but what about a Communications person we keep talking about that and uh yeah um this budget wasn't going to Bear any any anything or anybody right now so okay
that kind of got pushed to the Wayside too because I I had the police at a high priority we weren been able to get those in right now right so okay so those are our three next ones yeah the only thing that we might be able to do is revisit uh to get closer to the end of the year okay what do
the potentially what does two additional with he's losing a couple more isn't he in 25 I think he got three retirements three retirements so we're going to have a significant amount of breakage there is that factored into this budget or we factoring in their higher salaries the
higher salaries are factored in okay so we're GNA have some breakage and and that goes back to my comment that I just made down exactly okay so I would definitely be for that to utilize the breakage for right I'm just saying that they're not
budgeting just increase this right now was we don't know when that so I'm going to put it on the Dave I'll put it on the record that I would definitely like to have that considered okay um moving forward once the uh officers have retired and you know that that breakage
is there yeah um and for the public that don't understand breakage that's the salary up here that the person's leaving at and you hire the lower uh salari employee because that's where they start at the you know base of that guide uh
dealing with bu dealing with uh guide steps for the last 25 years I have you know pretty good knowledge on that and you know good area to look into adding those uh you know those poti to officers just to support that police department
and the car robberies that we get um yes on the breakage numbers um so the um on the breakage numbers um can we assume it's a two for one on these kind for a breakage number for a policeman
it's not a term I use in my office assume [Music] but get one is it is one is that's high high um I'm not sure if it is or not it all depends when the retirement St because everybody get think I
think so those promotions then take the current salaries take some of the current salaries right you got to keep figuring out how it goes on and where the people are coming along we just recently had a captain retire but now everybody's moving up no I understand but it's close to two to one might be
175 to one or something like that da if you took a patrol patrolman M Patrol person they're at I I don't even know what their what the salary is but it's going to be way even a patrol absolutely breakage on the salary side but now you
got benefits on top of it for two people instead of one and that just keeps right and that's a 30 a 30 is that usually a 30% give or take give or take okay yeah so under chapter under chap 78 they're they're paying in uh up to 35% right
correct we don't have any chapter 78 relief here no I don't want to do I don't want to you know make it but it's basically if if three people leave there's a good chance we can get five that that's going to be out of the realm of possibility get what during the course of a
year there oh to start on January 1 that's right I might be ablee with you all right good well we'll see we'll see one of the cars we'll see when it we'll see when it everybody think yeah we'll see when it occurs yeah there's a lot of things to factor in cuz he's got to factor in the pension he's got to figure
out he got to figure out rotations of people moving off right believe me I just looked at my check and all the stuff that comes out and I'm like this check my check work check that's that's that must have taken
a lot of time that must have been my dinner so in the next meeting is the 10th is that is that our next meeting so in the next meeting what do you plan on covering the same things is that or I didn't plan on being there oh you don't plan being there okay you're just going to introduce the budget okay then we set
the date for the uh public hearing and you'll be at the public I see public hearing is where I'll be at question that's right but up until the 10th obviously if there's any questions there's anything we can this is where we're at we still have time up until the 10th to change something okay before you we actually present the introduced
budget so if there's something that I'm told I have to do obviously I'll do so if we have a question should we email you okay did you want to email you and copy you Dave or how does how does it work just yeah that's fine I mean in this case it's fine okay good
thanks Ricky real quick what's the uh we talked about the pool at one point what what was that that's actually operating in a loss yeah we're losing over 100 Grand a year okay we're making some adjustments there we taking in Mike's
got the snack bar leased out and he's got a potentially a couple camps coming in which will yeah yeah you know I mean the the people that use the yeah the people that use the pool going have to you know understand that there's going to be some camps in there we have to
cover the cost here it is what it is it's and it's only during the week with the camps and it's just covering operating right now right you know that pool is going to have to have some some major oh we talked about that there's some significant money that needs to go into
it yeah is it hopefully being underutilized uh when we looked at the resident non-resident they outnumber us the non-residents that's why I'm even asking these questions because if you think about it somebody pointed this out
it makes a lot of sense cuz I'm one of those people a lot of people put pools in and we're near the beach we're one of the few towns that has a pool Club literally a mile from the beach if you think about West allers so I mean it's it's not really as popular as it was I
mean I know you know I think correct me if I'm wrong there's about 300 from town and there's maybe 4 500 out of town I'm not sure think I think um yeah we're upside down
in the that's for sure yeah that's definite so that's another thing that you know as a resident take the mayor hat off from it you know I'm we're subsidizing non-residents right now for the use of the pool so that's something that we as a council
need to look at and see how we're going to move forward on this because there is probably over a million dollars in uh repairs and maintenance that have to be done on that pool including resurfacing and tile work and everything else so we
have to really think about what we're doing moving forward in the future with the pool 300 families or 300 individuals I want to say Mike has the info yeah Mike has it I I had had I would have brought are the rates the same for residents no
non-residents more he raised the rates and uh you know he got some push back but I mean it's still a cheap way to go and it's a nice facility I mean it's really a nice facility he's done Mike's done great work there he put a nice splash park inside and you know if you
haven't been there Jeff I suggest you go oh no I've been there You' been yeah so I mean it's he's done a great job but you know the ways May again might not justify the means anymore it's not even as many people as we think it is I think I'm looking at some of the numbers the
numbers are way lower than I imagined and one of the positive things he's done over there is the snack Farm yeah would Clos down the snack formed it out that was a Nob brainer that was a no-brainer he didn't need that headache anymore who got the
contract oh in town so even better perfect guy right up the street yep works good and if you go to the tennis you can go over and eat a peel so if you're playing tennis yeah you can go over by the snack bar go over the snack bar and get food which I think is great
no it's great that's real good great compliment yeah yeah so we got some thinking to do anything else for Ricky Rob what's going on here it's a little too quiet I was actually scheduled to beet Rick today um and I
had to unfortunately go so why don't we schedule that for next week Ricky he was jumping up and down he couldn't wait to meet with me and then I canceled and I live for this wait when I went up to Sam I go weren't you supposed to meet with Rob he said never came in
man that's weird I formally canel must have broke his leg or something had a meeting um but yeah I mean I if you want I mean Ricky me I went up you know he had some time for me I went over there it was real quick anybody yes I got yelled at cuz we were laugh laughing too much by Kimber but
yeah there's no laughing there's no laughing no laughing hey look if I some of this doesn't well know me well enough it's okay now but thank you again for uh answering those questions I had I mean they were you know I tend to look at the bigger stuff and uh you know he answered
it and it gave me what I needed to get I I do have one question just from a process perspective and we introduced it on the 10th so you made the comment that we can change it up up until then not that I have any intention of doing anything like that but if we had to or
wanted to change it after the 10 before was voted on we still could technically do yes abely just there's procedures you have right exactly it's easy then we're under other state this year this is our third year so whatever I do I got to get their approval before we change anything
Ricky did you say you said every town lost their Municipal uh Rel Municipal relief a every town every town yeah the league of municipalities taking on that fight for us okay where did it go I I don't I'm not trying to be C I'm
I'm not trying to they didn't they didn't budget it this year but the budget went up they just left that line out yeah by that's a good question yeah yeah I'm not trying to be cute like theyve said the league is fighting that one 565 of us that want to know where it
went it's good question the energy receipts tax is flat where the last two years that's also gone off almost a percent okay it's not that much but it's something for everybody yep but that's been told to us but that they weren't supposed to keep that that goes all the way back they shouldn't
have taken that money from day go back to 11 I think yeah those are two sensitive sensitive huh yeah that's what you how you describe sensitive sensitive been some angry
May rightfully so to the state go do it yeah all right well thank you Ricky Yeah well yeah absolutely thanks very helpful thanks thank you have a good evening you too enjoy the basketball games did you get home for
yes oh speak go turps go TPS all right Yankees yeah I got a lot of next up we got Jessie with the flag request we have a flag request from congregation M and David to fly the Israeli flag in honor of IND Israel
Independence Day from April 30th to May 6th till May 6 is every yes I no problem Meg and David up the street up
next no oh M David Street now um so I do have a question so absolutely in favor of it let's vote on this first okay well no let's not okay why because I want to ask a question
given that we have 10 synagogues yes let me do it a different way so that the reason for that was Israeli what day Independence Day they're probably a lot of other reasons we could
fly Israeli flag I think this biggest one what's that that's this is probably the biggest one no no no but again just asking and every we consider each one independently and I get it and happy to entertain every single one of them and probably happy to say yes
but do they only get one bite of the Apple I don't know what do you mean so if another synagogue says I think that this would be the blanket I'm fine with it I'll make the assumption that Megan David took the lead on it I mean I'm
sure they didn't all talk but I mean the fact that we're going to do it I think that that takes I think that that I don't know if they I don't know if they all collaborated that might but I'm sure they I said I doubt they oh you doubt they did I doubt very much they did we should probably notify the
others yeah I think that's I asked that because let's look at Hanukkah lighting right we have two there only one night of the first night of Han I'm just making a point yeah but the this covers it sorry we have two lightings oh we have two lightings yes oh okay well we
have a pra what do we have when do we have the two lightings what when's the two lightings only one well cuz it first one landed on Christmas day right right so usually it's the first and all last night first and second some first and third depending on Ava that's a little
arbitrary well it Avail they switch back and forth you mean when the manure is ready no up we're good there but yes I see your point um I don't think I don't think this is the same thing okay I'm good just thought I'd bring it up um but
I would I would say just for this I would I would think it would be wise for us to kind of tell the other synagogues that this is what this is what we're doing this is what we're doing and not right how do we do that just word of um well first of all we probably could even ask them to do it if we wanted to we
could probably ask Meg David probably as them to do it um we could do it just casually by you know I could text Rabbi you know we could do something just casually yeah CU we Italians are
outnumbered here but I agree I know I think and also I'm not even sure what do you think about we let you when what do you think about the the week um I think the he asked me what to put on the the form the rabbi and I said I think it's a week all
right all right cool unless we for I think they might do it a day later I think they just put the window do it on that day like they'll start on Thursday I think they said y you can invite them all to the flag raising you know just say I'm sure they'll publicize it right yeah
so then we'll just share it out like all the other ones may I make a well let's vote on that and then I'll make a comment on that one does someone want to offer to I'll make a motion to accept the proposal from Megan David to do a flag raising on
April 30th April 30th May 1 they want to do it they want to do it May 1 yeah May 1st through May 7th then 8th 88th excuse me May 1st to May 6th May 7th okay whatever I don't I don't think they're I don't think they care one way or someone
second second all in favor a post okay that was it for me we've I don't know if you guys have gotten them but I've gotten multiple emails from res there was there must have been a forum right really what did they say that's totally a
forum it was we got the same form email about this the project up the street it was it's amazing how I guess they shoot it it must have a list or whatever people but um that was for Gay Pride uh yes week end I think if I read one of
them correctly cuz once I read one they were all the same so that's going to probably come to us as well yeah so I have a question on that one so let me go back to the comment that you made about we let everybody know so did I miss an email on the Greek flag raising like
that event I saw an announcement on on Facebook yeah I didn't get a formal email I didn't get a I did not get I saw announcement on Facebook I missed that okay did everybody go I didn't even it was and it was by chance as a matter of fact when I came here I
thought it was going to be in I thought there was going to be a discussion in the main lob room flag raising request so everybody Ved all knew when it was going up and I got a call from savis
come on that's why have Trac put it in heral you know what Rob good point because I when I showed up I didn't see anybody there I'm like and I got a call from svice about it so yeah when I showed up I didn't see anybody around either and then I I started thinking did
I get the right place and no it was you know time I think you know what Rob you're right on the flag raising if Tracy could send us out just a a email reminder or like on the flag raising even if they do something with
uh or Jessie or Jessie thank you Jesse can you do Tracy Tracy doesn't know anything unless she puts them on Jess did you hear what you just said she put Tracy knows everything oh try knows everything you just said she doesn't know anything no I said she doesn't know anything about flag R
because it goes through Jessie there was a little uh Jessie have so then we're clear on that all right on the on that topic which one uh sorry the next the one that John just mentioned lgbtq or pride month yeah so I asked Jesse this question when we got
those flurry of emails and I don't know if I asked you this question I would have if we met so I don't know if I asked you does the request need to come from somebody in town oh yeah which is very simple but you mean the formality of the request correct yeah I don't know if
we I don't think that's in the ordinance no I'm sure one of those people but agree they all they're all from Ocean but the inial actually I knew a lot of them on there right the initial one came from funny but it should be somebody who lives here or an organization that's
here something like I mean that makes total sense just for the eyon crossing the t we go back and look at the ordinance but I don't think it's I don't think so either ju just for reference did we have we ever done that for um for for it hasn't been requested requested nobody's requested that's why I was um
when we got all the the as a matter of fact I reached out to Christian from Garden State equality I go I don't know who's sending them but can you stop we got the message the first 25 I I love Christian I love you dearly but you know I got it and I didn't know you guys were getting them I you know
didn't have everybody cop that was different this time right they were yeah they didn't copy and like people were you am I the only one getting pounded on this just just for just for reference I I did look it up and and I think roughly maybe a third of the towns right now in New Jersey do some something like that
um I'm not sure if they do it for an entire month if they do it for I'm the only one with an outwardly gay son I'm very cognizant of this I would definitely support it um and I work in as been working Asbury for close to 30
years so and they are right next door and they have the pride you know weekend and stuff I would definitely I I I I think we support yeah I would I I definitely supporting to also just just on the just on the other side to this one thing that one thing um you know
diversity Equity inclusion this last few months has really kind of taking a backseat right in the way our government kind of handles it right so I think that that also kind of just heightens probably the need for this group to feel
like you have uh some form of uh representation or people behind them so that's why I would even that's even kind of a more thing that I'm thinking Community has also moved into the one Massa section from Asbury Park MH it's uh you know I mean it's it's been that
you know that section over there that you know coming over the bridge um but yeah I mean it's yeah I agree with you Jeff I mean you're probably right on that you know so so do we need somebody to fill out the form somebody has to fill out the form okay so I'll you know
reach out to Christian let him know I gave you a copy of the whole you do you got it in my on my desk okay um all right anything else on the flags various Township managers our Township manager will be reporting today
as our engineer is not here I've got nothing wow I got one item for a close session um okay let's go around the round the Rob let's start with Rob you're lucky Greg's not here or you're not all right can I have the um well ask
it anyway it actually um Tommy answered the so I won't do this in the order I had it so the light on deal popler and um what's the other roller roller thank you um he said 90 days was written into
the co into the document so Mory said he ordered the light already but let's make sure cuz 90 I'd love to have it before summer would be awesome Yep you and I talked about that I agree right i' like to have that extra Lane too I don't think I'm getting that
um the other one's Greg all right can I bring up the W Massa fire department conversation or is that a Clos is I could do it here sounds like you just did well no I'm trying to remember what it was planning board oh yeah that's not
personel or legal or anything so w Mass fire department is looking to expand their current building they've got a they will have an application or we're telling them that they have to put and I'm sorry I'm looking at you because I
think it's a guess question coming I fig that sorry let me preface that so they have or will be or may have already put an application in and we're telling them that they have to go through the entire zoning planning board process as opposed
to what their attorney is saying that towns with districts and even well towns with departments for sure but towns with independent districts have not required them to to to go through the normal planning board process allegedly we have the option of doing it
either way president from what I understand please somebody keep me honest from what I understand our precedent has been whether it's tosa whether it's Ur fire department or lamasa they have had to do it that way the argument that they are
making is you kind of made it earlier with the um tosa comment that they lowered our taxes left pocket right pocket so we're taking we're making them go to the planning board to spend more money taxpayer money and it's only
coming to us anyway so I think the question that we're asking is do we have the ability to wave that so that they don't have to if we want so they've gone to you they've come to me gone to you yeah I've look we I went through this with Dave and uh Kevin as a matter of
fact uh the chief reached out to me Brian in regard to some paperwork that was supposed to get over to Kevin which they didn't get I shared Kevin's number with them so that he can talk to them directly about this issue Dave and I spoke about it as well I believe that
they were under the impression that they could get an administrative approval from Dave as you know as sign offer get Colleen but Dave corrected me on that and he said tosa had to go in front of the board exactly everybody's been going in front of the board so I I'm going to
respect Dave's you know opinion on that we you know obviously would love to help these guys out but I mean Dave you know that's his decision here just it's a president thing is it's fairness y so can I ask now if I was here from the
beginning would have done it that way probably not but this is where we are yeah but we have change precedent I'll use the sidewalks as an example former mayor decided to stop charging for that so is there any reason I'm just use it I well I mean that's an example I can't
think of any others but that's one can we say starting now at this I'm asking after this one we could after this one because right now the the ulr firehouse is in the middle of same thing and they and at the zoning board but they're doing it because they need a variance because they're just adding
beds they're not doing construction true so there's a I did find that way so that's slightly different I tell different times do it different ways and and sometimes do what called a I've never heard it approved by the administrators but they go in for either a courtesy review or Capital review
capital and it's a it's a simple procedure they almost always go in front of a board it's what we do when we when we have a project in town correct like the bridge the bridge was our Bridge we did a cap if we did any type of buildings or whatever we would do a cital and that I mean same thing with
the county it's it's public agencies you know bordered mua utilities the some towns say we just come in for Capital review some towns say come in for full review the the the benefit of a full review is you know there's always issues like traffic Ingress egress what you get
on any other site plan just Town wants to make sure and we know you're a public agency but we still want to keep an eye on what's going on for our residents make sure it's done right we have the expertise to do it argument against you pointed out is cost well hey just let us come in and do a quick review because we're a public
entity and it it is optional towns pick either way it's probably about equal in my experience of what towns choose but I would say does come down to fairness if you're treating if you have treated public entities in one way up until now you know you you probably want to
continue but do you absolutely have to you don't the governing body can make a determination we're not doing that anymore but then you then you're changing it going for I mean there's only three who else would it apply to well maybe the board okay so four and
when was the last time the board came I I don't think they've come in 10 years that I've been with all with all what they're thinking about doing it could be but right but either way it's only four like I said I don't have a problem going either direction we're just we're just following suit downstairs agreed how it
is so and and I'm all about President having said that changing president in this case may not be a bad thing and I don't know that tosa or okur I mean Ur is going to have to do what they're doing anyway it's not yeah you're right CU they're in the zoning board which a little different y so to
I mean I I don't know that's your call Everybody's call here but I I would like well that's I said I don't know whose call it is really is it my call is it the government body's call cuz they could they could make policy to say that that's what it's going to be right yeah legally I I I
think it's probably the governing body more than you it's not administrative this is just this is policy more than administrative yeah and and I'm not a hill I'm going to die on but I did want to bring it up and if I have no problem with it I really don't I mean Chang yeah I I was actually surprised um when we
didn't have a precedent set for it and I get Dave's point he's right um we can't just change it Midstream while they're in the you know having the project here but I think moving forward we look at into this as a you know potential thing that we can do for the entities that are
within the town that you know I I guess it would be our choice right to decide what's a capital review and what's not Dave I mean if if we were to set it's either thumbs up or thumbs down like do it on an individual application basis for after this no I think I think if you
if you say you're going to do it then all of them should be permitted to do it right yeah unless either all or nothing right this is we're talking about really site plans right if there's um if there's variances needed they they probably have to get the variant from through a full board process you know if there's a if there's like you said
somebody's coming for use variance something's not permitted in the zone they're still subject to those requirements would this and I don't think this is requiring a variance right for Wam Assa I don't know I don't know to the extent let me well if they're going it's a planning thing
definely because they got a psych plan yeah if they're going over they possibly may need a Baran because they're they're expanding what two base they're going over two base I don't know if it would be a well they took our property so would they need it because of the property we
didn't we gave it to them you know you're going for a for it's a that's a technical question need an engineer to answer there's setback variances there's height there's I mean you can't let me ask you one other question and I'll put it the bed so to John's point you made a comment that they're in the middle of it
do and I don't know the answer to this are they in the middle have they actually applied well no the application is not in for as I know so just asking but it's it's we're in the middle of this discussion and it's it's already been asked answer
the the planning board attorney has already spoken the planning administrator has already spoken so that's why I would say going forward I think we near it now d That's what I'm saying I'm good
all right that was that one thank you folks light I got that uh the other one's Dave and the okay we're good I mean the other one's Greg I'm good thank you do we need like an official warning uh no just a memo something in
writing a policy we would set a policy you would set yeah you you know you could do it you could do it send a directive to the planning board planner okay you know people do the reviews I have a conversation with Colony tomorrow we'll figure out how to forward okay so
we avoid this yeah yeah yeah yeah I I mean we again I don't have a problem trying to you know work with with the anties in town I've been in other towns we come on but I I totally saw Dave's point because he had already spoken
everybody downstairs and uh you know so it is what it is GA I don't have questions I just wanted to let everyone know that um we had a meeting with uh a gentleman from town his name is Don Glazer it was in
the um it's on the agenda for tonight we're going to do this friends of Poa Park um and he's going to be here tonight just to support to support it so I think is Denise coming to play I I'm not sure she was planning to come if they came to the workshop and then they decided to come to the next one but I
think we could do really good things I set him up with a meeting with Hal and I think he reached out to the superintendent set one up with Ocean Township and he's been talking to Mike about things he could do do you know what they plan on doing with uh you know like I mean get they're going to get I
think when we met they said seven to seven people on the committee or I'm not sure where we ended um but I put it to beer TB dat I think we need to decide who and what and when um but we'll get
off the ground he already has like a a bike safety event that he wants to schedule for June he's talking about things he could do um you know with uh maybe putting like using black tap to put a basketball hoop like just cleaning up the park clean up stuff so I think
it'll be good okay cool uh Jeff um I was actually just following up on 10 cardbury did they you know how that paperwork is going did you get any any paperwork on that Jesse no no T no oh okay you're
talking about the flooding yeah I think it was signed yeah I think it was signed too I but Greg told me that it was being passed along I haven't gotten anything oh he thought it was kind of on her desk or something do you know no I think right you mean the letter yes you mean the he's me the hill up prob yeah yeah I
think Greg Greg got that I'm pretty sure I think he showed me the other day he was so that probably is up for us to do something with in the next meeting or I don't yeah I don't know will tell Jesse and then we'll go from there okay all right um uh Rob and I started doing some
recruiting on the economic uh development committee um I've also had some conversations with the people at Brookdale and Mammoth University which I want to talk to you about how we do something with the Chamber of comments and the Chamber of Commerce and those three and uh I've been talking to some other small businesses so I wanted to
sit with you and kind of talk about how to go after it also on um uh April 8th there is a event at Mammoth University where Netflix is uh presenting for about a couple hours in the morning about what's what their plans are for the
local community and it's a chance to kind of break out and do some stuff it's actually open they're trying to get I think um people from town councils there but it's being advertised more and
more for the general population oh wow so so I'm not sure how it's going to go uh but I'm I have some meetings with some people so I'm going to go find out some of that stuff and I've asked for a connection uh with uh to talk to some of the people at Bell work to the people who are doing the com uh the convolt
building so I'll find out a little bit about that so moving some things along but Rob and I need to uh uh meet a little bit more about how to do this and then probably also ask for some help to get the committee put on our website so we could have some just speak to uh
Tracy Okay cool so we proba we just want to probably do a mission statement or something like that on there um had some good discussions with uh uh shet tree greenfest and um environmental uh committee I was just
going to compliment you that you got some props for uh being that conduit because they haven't had it in a while and yeah appreciate it so I have some things to talk about when we have our other meeting but uh I mean I got compliments with her but
we haven't had somebody in a while I guess going so I'll I'll do a quick I'll do a quick update in there it's a very very kind of brief the one thing I will say is that for greenfest um we're not in a a critical spot we're probably in an average spot
but we probably need about 25 30 vendors or people to be displaying were they are they doing it the same spot same spot by the library oh where by the library by the library not doing a play anymore yeah I think that's yeah yeah too big
yes yeah too big you you get lost in that uh yeah absolutely but they need they need some help so if you know of people who might want to be a that I mean it really is a nothing kind of cost to do it um we're trying to get people from the schools trying to get people who have you know products to sell that
that might be uh ecofriendly and that kind of thing and I think it's uh Jack who is kind of running it he's uh he's pretty busy on some his own personal stuff so he's he's looking for some help so I said I would um Force you guys to
to take over way to delegate so that's what kind of going yeah Dave Dave Dave you're in charge you love doing that no I think you'll watch I'm sure's watching they get
YouTube in Australia right yeah I'm sure he's watching I can text him right now it's only 2:00 in the morning so um yeah I think that was it for me all right perfect uh I received a call in regard to one of the issues that we've had for many many years here the
deer management plan uh woman called me uh resident gave me the name of an individual who I thought was from Fish game and Wildlife he's another one of these entities I called him up just to pick his brain and uh I did tell this resident it's probably one of our
biggest issues and challenges that we've had to tackle and if somebody asked me in 20 years what was the one thing that's it I mean Dave and I had this discussion you know unless we can get the surrounding towns to jump on board
with an idea of a deer management plan I I I don't see how we do this um you I've asked for suggestions ideas um but obviously it's a bit out of hand with the deer we you know we can't get
approval from the state on the hybrid model you know da explained about the potential hybrid on the hunt and the and the gun and it's just it I I don't know how we do it I really don't so I'm going to reach out to this gentleman again she
gave me his name uh and I'll have a discussion with him and see if there's other ideas that we can potentially come up with but no town no town in the state has figured it out well yeah now Princeton's been doing a hybrid model they did a they do a deer management
plan they have money that they put in the budget for sterilization somebody mentioned and it's what it's worked that's Staten Island spent all he said is that they figured it out you asked a totally different question I don't think they figured it out they'
theyve imped they implemented something correct I think Staten Island St Island Staten Island's up to about $7 million and they haven't figured it out wow they still have deer swimming across the when you read about it when you read about it nobody in the country has figured it out
yeah yeah no because there's no natural predator here but we're going to nominate Dave and if Dave can get 25 people to 25 new vendors and figure out the deer thing he's golden people talked about adopted deer if they you know I mean but
they have to come up with a significant amount of money to adopt the deer you know if you want to do a yeah what does what does that entail it would entail at least $1,300 per deer which is the sterilization of the deer it's likeing a star but I don't even but I don't even
think Dave correct me if I'm wrong I think there was more than the one $1,300 shot wasn't it like years it was expensive three years right 13 I thought it was $ 800 but I could be wrong adopt a deer to neuter a deer I'm not clear I'm not clear on this right un adopted
deer that was the plan adop the deer to neuter the deer boy that really sounds so oxymoronic doesn't it it's better than shooting them hey um we have five minutes do we want to go on a close right
okay motion to go in a close session second second all in favor I the notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied in a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press and the coast for posted in town hall filed in the office of the
municipal clerk on January 3rd 2025 please notice that we have two exit uh two exit uh doors to your right that'll take you to the front of the building one to your left that'll take you to the rear of the building please make sure that all your cell phones are turned off and if you need to make a
call kindly step outside uh we're going to start with Council comments and I'm going to start down at the end with councilwoman K thank you icome iste it students thank you
councilwoman uh councilman Sarah uh no report Mr Mayor no report man oh man to new new here at 6:30 now you you time C yes I have a couple of things so
I'm glad you y with your time thanks Rob um sure you do you might Trump you there I expect it so just a couple of things one is uh one is I just wanted to uh just thank all the people help me get up to speed these last couple of weeks been having a lot
of meetings with different people in different departments so I want to thank all the Ocean Township and uh management that I've been Mee with and also all the people on all the uh uh different committees and commissions that I've been meeting with so I want to thank you for that also you know on the agenda today is uh a couple of people who are
um going to Beed to certain positions so I just wanted to congratulate Ed defle for taking over for me as being chairman of the uh of the planning board and looking forward to working with Julius Santi on the uh environmental commission so excited about that just a couple of
things on um uh greenfest so greenfest uh there's two things going on on uh on Sunday May 4th one is in the morning there is a uh a run uh 5K runs so feel free to to uh join in for that it should be a lot of fun I think last year was
about 110 or 115 Runners so should be nice um and also uh there's going to be a the greenfest itself so if you're you know part of any um uh group or uh uh economy conscious uh group that wants to
display something or be a vendor please uh please join us we're we're looking for people to participate um as far as the environmental Commission on April 27th there is going to be a tree giveaway U which you'll read more about that in the uh I'm I'm sure I'm sorry
the shade tree commission uh that will be something that will be advertised more but there's about 500 or so trees that will be given away to to different groups and so come by and pick up a tree if you if you're so interested and um on the environmental commission there is a a contest that's going to be going on
for a great School uh K to 12 uh it is uh going to be advertised fairly shortly but it's BAS basically uh an event where um uh people can kids can put together a 90 second uh video on and will be turned into a public service announcement on
around Recycling and um uh and the winner of that group will be on the uh on our YouTube channel and it should be a lot of fun there'll be nice certificates and uh given to all the participants so look for more of that information the deadline will be April
30th uh to have that in and then those people who are winners will be able to be honored at one of our Council meetings and that's all I have mayor thank you there councilman uh just want to remind everybody that we have an Easter egg hunt annually uh April 5th
starts at 10:00 a.m. at Len uh at Len field uh ochre field over there by the ochre fire department the America 250 committee is looking for volunteers from the township of ocean if you're interested please contact Ted Maturo
from the county his number is area code 732431 7324 his extension is 8746 they are planning uh a lot of events uh starting in 2026 as we hit our
250th anniversary for this great country um I want to thank our new chairman of the Historical Society Jim Foley for taking over uh he's got some big shoes to fil but I will say that Jim is an extremely knowledgeable historian
and I really look forward to what he's going to do in the museum um again he had big shoes to fill uh it was it was a long time so thank you Jim for taking over uh Julia sermont
will now be after tonight will be the chair of the uh environmental commission I look forward to her taking that over I want to thank councilman Weinstein for being our liaison to both the environmental commission and the shade tree commission those two entities are
extremely excited to have Jeff there that will be r liais on to come back and give us some information on there I know they're working on uh you know potentially working on a tree ordinance or updating it so uh Jeff thank you for doing that um all matters listed under the
consent agenda are considered routine by the township Council and will be enacted by one Motion in the form listed below there will be no separate discussion of these items if discussion is desired on any item that item will be considered separately the purpose of this public
portion is solely to ask questions to understand resolutions that appear on this agenda and is not an occasion for a public hearing on an ordinance all questions not related to an agenda and an item on the agenda should be asked during the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting if you
have any questions as it relates to the public agenda please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing here none do I have a motion to approve approve the consent agenda I'll make I'll make a motion
second second roll call a all right you ready yes all right resolution nine c I'm going to abstain res oh tan American Association for the Quad West Park uh deal bro and then I'll be voting no on
resolution 10 um AB C and D yes please okay you got itain I don't know how you'll feel when that money comes in and for me um I'm going to uh oh I'm sorry you going to call my
name I not yet when I call your name oh sorry it's still you're rookie it's not you never done this before we didn't do it might have to send him back to the board of we didn't do it we didn't do it these this way you vot well we would just vote them all and then somebody would say
when it was time for them to say yes they would say on the ones that I want I want to refuse myself from the following ones sorry now Jeff oh wiste I'm going to say yes to all except I'm going to recuse myself from um
25- uh 2564 yes vouchers individual action vouchers in the amount of 12, 92,7 4724 someone please offer oh I'll offer wow these Fe are
going to take forever second second e I'm sorry I didn't have you do this roll call yes cine yes Weinstein yes yes ordinances up for adoption ordinance 2498 which is an ordinance amending and
supplementing ordinance 2343 entitled an ordinance amending and the revised General ordinance of the T of otion 1965 relating to Personnel policies practices and procedures someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2498 I'll open up public discussion on
ordinance 2498 second second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2498 please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the
record seeing here none do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2498 move to close public discussion on ordinance 2498 second second aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes naan yes so Rob you got it
right that time huh I well he jumped the gun he was so fast action on ordinance 2498 anyone embarrass him again um I'll move to I'm sorry where are we action on ordinance 249 I move to approve and published by law ordinance 2498 second
second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes nean yes ordinance 2498 passes ordinance 2499 which is an ordinance amending chapter 14 of the revised General ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled swimming
pools subsection 14-10 point3 membership someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2499 I move to open public discussion on ordinance 24.99 second second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes wiste yes nean yes anyone wishing to be
heard on ordinance 2499 please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing he none do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2499 I move to close public discussion on ordinance 24.99 second second roll
call a chair yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes T yes action on ordinance 2499 I move to approve ordinance 2499 and publish according to law second second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes County yes ordinance 24.99 passes
ordinance 2500 which is an ordinance amending chapter 10 and the revised General ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled traffic section 12-4 oneway streets someone please open public discussion on warness 2500 I move to open public discuss session on
ordinance 2500 second second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes capani yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2500 please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing here none do I have a motion to close public discussion on
ordinance 2500 I'll move to close public discussion on ordinance 2500 second second roll call aera yes kapan yes Weinstein yes naen yes action on ordinance 2500 I move to approve ordinance 2500 and publish according to
law second second roll call a Cher yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes yes that ordinance also passes introductions ordinance 251 which is in ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 2 the revised General ordinances of the township of
oan 1965 entitled Administration section 2-10 two fees and copies subsection C someone please introduce ordinance 251 I move to introduce ordinance 251 second second roll call aera yes yes
yes April 10 yes that will have its public hearing on April 10th ordinance 2502 which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter six of the revised General ordinances of the Town TR of oan 1965 entitled building section 6- 1.3 fees
someone please introduce ordinance 252 I move to introduce ordinance 252 second second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes yes that two will have its public hearing on April 10th and ordinance 253 which is an ordinance
amending and supplementing chapter 16 of the revised General ordinances in the township of ocean 1965 entitled parks and playgrounds section 16- 5.6 rental fees someone please introduce ordinance 2503 I move to introduce ordinance 253
second second roll call a chera yes yes yesil 10 yes that to will have its public hearing on April 10th anyone from the public wishing to be heard on anything in your remain in the township of ocean please step up to the microphone state your name and address
for the record this working yeah too close to it oh that's good uh hi I'm chery Miller 41 Branch Road Oakhurst I'm sorry I was a few minutes late I came from work project extend um then you have to sit
down I need for you to sit down okay on I saw resolution um 18 this is about two more potential uh properties to be studied for the proposed uh Town Hall complex I was just
wondering it's 25- 079 would that be the correct way to I was just wondering where those properties are what you can't talk about it now no no one one was Orchard Plaza uh the Orchard Plaza site oh but
that was already in the study uh we have to actually pay for that added into the study okay okay and what was the second uh the second one we did the pool the pool complex oh I see so they're really the same ones with in it the ones that you if you were at
the meeting uh then they were basically studied already okay so it's not too new ones back two brand new ones okay by the way um I think that Orchard Orchard Street I would be the best bet that's just my opinion and I saw I was
interested that the coaster mentioned that as the front runner now it wasn't described that way at the meeting but that's their take on did a scoring system on it and um it seemed that the board property and
Orchard uh were at the top um I will tell you that believe it or not everybody still thinks the field up the street would be the best spot but unfortunately that was pulled off well no it does there there are a lot of pieces that go with that as well um you
know when you shift out properties for another piece but Orchard Plaza you know provided that we can get everything there that we need yeah it'll a it'll be a good spot yeah I think that would terrific no decisions again have been made uh we're still you know in the
beginning stages of doing the studies right do you know when the next meeting might be I we haven't set that yet okay well thanks you answered my questions thank you very much a great thank you how about the girls over there I know you're on a school you know assignment here would you like to come
up and speak or you just viewing everybody I I love to embarrass the kids by the way nothing okay Don you want to say anything about uh friends of play a park so hi my name is Don Glazer 7 Klein
Street Oaker just very excited to get the support from the council for this initiative also happy to report that deast poo will be also involved and was very excited to be here the namesake of the park of course being her father so a lot of exciting things plannned hope to involve lots of aspects of the town
working of course through the council and the rec department and the Public Works people so thank you so much for your support Don thank you and Denise for spearheading this uh totally appreciate it I think it's a great idea and uh you know obviously we have some great parks and play a park being the
biggest and best uh we look for good things to come I do too so thank you Don appreciate it uh since there's nobody else that needs to be heard uh do I have a motion to adjourn motion to return second second all in favor all right