All right, just want to remind everybody that all township of council meetings will be audio and video taped and they'll be shown on the townships of oceans community cable channel 22 on Verizon Fios and channel 77 on cable. Can I have a roll call, please? >> Mayor Neutani here. >> Deputy Mayor Fischer >> here.
>> Council member Zara here. >> Kaplan Telerico here. the the notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on December 18th, 2025. We have a couple of
items for discussion with our engineer and then we are going to go into close session because there are about three or four items that we need to discuss in there. So Greg, I'm going to turn it over to you for various township projects first and then matters. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Did you send everybody to my list?
>> Yes, I did. >> I got you. >> Have a nice night. We're done. >> I'll see you next month. >> It's a nice touch. I like it. >> Yeah. Um Okay. The 24 program that's in um we're going to be starting that mid-March, assuming the weather gets
better, which it's supposed to. 25 program. Um we're finishing up surveying a couple of the roads that got a little late because of the snow. But we did get our NJ DOT approval for Popppler phase 2. That's what slowed us down last time. It took them seven months to get us that. They're getting them out much faster now. They hired a few people out
the 26 program. I've got the list prepared. I'll send it to you. I'll send it to Dave. He could probably uh send everybody a copy of the list. Fireman's pond dredging. Uh we received quotes for the dewatering uh up on the Valley Road property. Uh that's
scheduled to start Monday. So they'll get that going. So that so that means once they're ready to deploy out in uh they'll dig the hole first and then what they'll do is they'll go out there once everything thaws and they'll be able to get back to work. >> Yeah. What's going to happen is the
county I talked to the county sent them an email today and uh asked them that to put us on schedule. They said we are on a schedule. It's just kind of floating waiting for us. I said that the watering hole is going to be dug within the next two weeks and if they could put us on a schedule to start March 16th with the uh the dredging and I gave them the
location. and I've already visited the site with their two guys there. They approved the site in the access road, it's a shorter distance, so we should be ready to go by the middle of March and weather permitting and be done before the end of March. >> So, I have the two letters that came to me from uh for the grant. >> And if I'm not mistaken, I think it was
August of 26, we have to use the money >> lollipop. >> Lollipop. All right. So, is there any way to get an extension because we're not going to technically start till like October, right? >> Yeah. Well, what happens is all we need is a contract. Okay. >> So, what's going to happen is we've um I
was talking to Dave about we're going to push through. I'm getting the quotes in. We're going to get that approved. Those quotes to do the soil work and the bridge abutment design, right? >> We'll get that in real quick. I get the br the bridge out and off the bid and they get conditioned upon the dredging has to be done first. And then at the
same time, we'll also get a I got to talk to the state. There's really not a contract we're going to have to do the dredging because we're going to have the county do it. >> Yep. So, I just have to have maybe we can give them a letter of agreement that we have with the county, but we do have to set up a meeting with the county and talk to them about dredging a lollipop pond. And uh I'm going to try to we
probably will have enough room at the compost facility for the dredging of lollipop because now that we can't do that whole internal island, the quantity of dredging is substantially less than it was originally there. >> No way around that, huh? >> We tried several times and they just and it's basically called a forested
wetlands now and they say it's just as pristine as the lake was. So they want that to remain. They're the same problem down here. >> It's it's not it's not it's it's crazy. >> Yeah, I know. It's you know it's it's a shame because that you know obviously
you said uh Harvey Brookke over we used to call Bill of Piano Island is back again. So >> bigger than it was. >> It's way bigger now. >> I was on the commission. I started on De Lake when that was being done at that time. >> Um but yeah, it's clear as day. It's bad. >> Yeah.
>> And then we can't touch it. >> Right. >> Right. Okay. >> Well, eventually we're going to have to go into one side or the other. Kind of like we're doing with this. We're going to dig out the trench on both sides. >> Yeah. Because you got to let the water flow out. >> And that's going to make it easy clog up much easier because you have a much narrower throat that it goes through. Now, >> will that if we did that, would that
help with any of the flooding that's behind that section? I mean, >> there's not a whole lot behind it, but yes, anything we do to clear let flow get there because once that goes over the spillway, it's a five foot drop, so there's plenty of capacity. We just got to get it to the spillway.
>> So, is there a possibility to try to maybe I know we were doing stream cleaning and stuff is, you know, ice stream, whatever you want to call snagging. >> D snagging. >> Um maybe we can try to get in there to trench this stuff before rainy season
happens. >> Well, What I was planning on doing is once we dredge this in the fall is we're going to d snag upstream of it. >> Okay. >> Right when we're done with this. >> Okay. >> That'll help. It doesn't really flood a tremendous amount upstream of this. But any little bit will help. As long as we're doing this, we may as well finish the whole corridor there.
>> And any word from Sam? Speaking of the stream cleaning and stream dnaging and the and the storm water mitigation, any word from Samakia? >> Yeah, I tell you that email we're have meeting on March I think it was 17th at 10 o'clock or something with the mayor over there. Yeah, I think I sent that to
you too, Dave. Me at a meeting with them. Yeah. Okay. Set for mid-March. >> All right. >> Follow up on that. So, what were what was the amount of the quotes and is it covered under what we have budgeted? >> The quotes for >> the deater the dewatering hole and all.
>> Yeah, that's all covered under the the grant money we have. >> Okay. >> The dewatering hole was 53,000 to dig and uh the stream cleaning was 18,000, but that comes out of open space. I didn't get to that one yet, but that's both all the things we're doing are
pretty much covered. We have the money to do it. >> Cost 50 $53,000 to dig a hole. >> It's a big hole. >> It's it's a it's a 100 ft wide. >> You do have to say, Greg, that's a good answer.
>> Good answer. >> No, it's it's it's I hole. It's a large hole. And the problem is he have he has to pile it up so he can truck it out slowly. So >> can't get the boy scouts to do it. >> No, it's going to take more than a shovel. >> Yeah, maybe they can help us take the
dirt out after it dewaters. >> Um, okay. Lollipop we kind of talked about. Um, we do we are in for approvals. Those were submitted in uh early January. Uh they we did get all that worked out with them. They lost one of our checks, but we did get that worked out in mid
January. And then like I mentioned, we have to reach out to the county for their assistance on the dredging again. So we'll have to get go through that and get a quote from them that what they're going to charge us. Uh Terrace Pond. Um Dave and I are going to meet about that. It's just it's a mod. We got to kind of
mayor, you probably want to be involved in this. We have to figure out the limits now of how much of terrace pond we want to dredge because when this all started, we're just doing it down by the third group T. Now it's kind of tripled in size and I think everybody's looking for more than that. And also we're going to probably reach out to our legislature
to get some >> What do we have here Mark for that right now? >> We don't have any money. >> We don't have any money. All right. So that's that's good because we haven't asked for anything on that one yet. So >> I'm assuming we can try to maybe get something you want. Do we want to do it now or do we want to wait till next year's budget?
>> No, we want to do it this year. So it's in place for next year. We get two years to get a contract in place on it. Yeah. >> If we get some if we in case we don't get enough this year, we can always ask for more next year. >> And we're going to work with the county again on that shared service agreement. So that'll save us a significant amount of money on the hauling way and stuff. The only problem is we don't have a
place to put it. >> No, because the volume that we're going to be taking out of there now only probably a third of it can go on the golf course. And that burn we're talking about pulling between the fourth and sixth fairway, >> right? >> So I don't know what we're going to do with the rest of it. And that's going to be our problem. >> Let's try to be creative with that.
>> Yeah. Well, it'd be pretty elevated. But not that that that we'd have to probably talk and get Mike Patrico about because if we're going to regrade that's not a bad idea if you want to put a little more contour to some of the fairways that would get rid of a lot. >> Sounds like something that would be right up your alley right now.
>> Yeah, that I would love it every day. Lower the slope. >> Raise some blind shots coming in and stuff. Yeah. >> Uh next one is Snow's Pond. Uh we have to kind of discuss with the we're going to probably do an assessment district.
So, we're going to have to go out to the to set up a meeting with the neighbors and discuss that with them. And it's going to be an all or nothing thing because it's private property. So, >> yeah, >> we'll set that up probably for sometime in March. >> So, as a followup to that, >> there's enough interest of the people
that want to do it that we're even going to ask for the assessment district. I'm finding the way. I'm just >> we we haven't talked to anybody except one guy. So, I think that's what we're going to do. We're going to set up anformational meeting and say, "Listen, there's some some of the neighbors here want to dredge this pond and this is the
results if we're going to do it this is what the cost is going to be and I think that will pretty much probably put it to >> even one doesn't agree on the the scope of the assessment district he thinks it should be >> he doesn't want to pay as much so more people in it >> you right
>> depends on your point of view I mean if you're judging the pond the benefit the direct benefit is people that live on the pond >> right he's saying well the drainage the whole area drains into the pond everybody body upstream gets a benefit from the pond. None of them are going to
agree with that. >> And if I may from a not that I'm encouraging a district, but is that our decision? Do we does the council make it or >> ultimately yes, but I think the discussion is correct from it. We want
to get because it's sort of voluntary. We want everybody who's going to be affected to sign on and approve it before it comes to you for approval. If they don't approved. >> We can't do it. >> But you do have the authority
>> if you want to ram it down their throats, but >> we wouldn't do that. >> No, I >> is there >> to your point upstream doesn't make sense, but does downstream >> downstream there's a spillway that goes into a storm pipe that comes out to Brookside, crosses Brookside, and goes
into the popular through an ement through a yard to the south of that. So would you say everybody, if you use that same argument, would you say everybody downstream on popular would benefit? >> No, they wouldn't benefit at all. >> Okay. >> But the thing is my, you know, that's one of the arguments I made a while back is we could always pipe this pond and
then >> he didn't like that idea. >> He didn't like that idea. But then that that would take everybody out of the the realm of having to >> we wouldn't have an assessment district if we did that. >> Is that causing any backup flooding on road? No, it was a Popular Brook.
>> Brook Popular Brook goes all the way across town. But no, it's over here right behind to the north of us here off of Brookside. It's on the back side of Brookside. There's a pond, a private pond back in there called Snell's Pond. It affects I think like 14 properties. They they own it to the center line of the the pond and we've been trying for
the last three years to try to figure out how to do this. We actually brought the county in. County said they they will not do it because it's on private property. So that kind of put us in a bind because of the obviously the cost of dredging. We don't have the equipment to do that. >> Does the town ever roll
>> on roller road? >> Um, >> yeah. Well, we there's we don't really jump. We've not been back there in the pond. I know what you're talking about. We've been actually cleaned out the stream quarters at B Snagging program. We have We haven't been over there in a long time, but that'll probably when we get done with the whale brook, we can go
and clean that area out. >> There's just flooding problems. >> Yeah, we had a problem last year. We had a problem. Found out what the inlet was clogged. >> Yeah. >> So, we cleaned that out and it worked fine. But that should be on regular maintenance inspection. >> When I was a kid, that was a real pond.
Like, you could go out on that thing. It's not much what it was. >> It's amazing how big. >> Okay, next thing is 1515 Logan. We're up for you guys to decide which way to go on that broker or private >> um builder the biddler area. We're going
to meet sometime mid-March for the residents there. I did meet with the fire department. They shot down my ideas. So I'm just going to relay all the information and say there's really not a lot of remedy to that traffic over there. >> Wait, they shot down any ideas? >> Yeah, both of them. >> Yeah.
>> Wow. So there's nothing we could do over there. The only thing we could do is we could put stop signs in, you know, that right at Bimler. You know, Bimler when it comes to that first T, but that's really not going to stop traffic from coming in. It's just going to slow them down and jam up on the road. So, it's a
tough one. >> Well, that's an enforcement problem, too, though. So, it's that that's that's the problem anyway. I mean, that's the whole over town. Uh, Larchwood Lighting. Uh, we received the DR from JCPNL. It's in design. I reached
out to Jose Ortiz. He said they're still in snow mode, but he will get that uh get those numbers going for us because I want to see the price of that to this is to change all the lights on Largewood. That'll, you know, push us into Saxs and the old farm and the rest of them. We want to see the cost of the first one.
Uh, the next one is the new DPW facility, Cindy Lane. We're waiting for the D permits for the LOI, which should probably be this summer. Did we interrupt a second. Can you move the mic closer? Tom can't hear us. So when you're talking,
>> no problem. >> Okay. U did did we get the proposal from AR to for the to fill in the uh isolated area? >> No, we asked for >> the proposal I got was for dec. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'll send him another email and tell him to send us that
proposal because I want to get that done in conjunction because that takes up a lot of area if we don't fill in that little finger of isolated wetlands. >> What are you filling in with what? >> Uh just fill it in dirt. There's an isolated pocket of wetland >> dread spoils from it. >> We can and that's that's one of the
things that I'm buying up. >> You can over there and then then go the other way. I mean, that's if we can use the dread spoils, which is the biggest problem with any dredging project. >> Yeah. I was I was figuring we could put a burm all the way on the eastern side of that property once we get the wetlands approved. But we got to wait
till the wetlands are approved before I can touch that area out there. >> If we get approved, then we'll have space to put this stuff. >> Yep. >> Yeah. We have a lot of room actually because you can't use the first 50 ft anyway. So, >> right. So, we can put a lot of spoils over there. >> Would that be enough for uh terrace? >> Yep.
>> It's all we need. We know we can get a target for firemans by middle to end of March. Get that done. will be set for the fall for Lollipop and the bridge. Following year, we'll look at Terrace and uh this is, you know, kind of working in conjunction with C view
square because I talked to Peter. He told me that they already have the design done, right? They're getting it approved. So, they should be working on that relatively soon. >> Yeah. Soon as they get that approval, we'll go fast. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Okay. Okay. Um stream cleaning dn snagging Norwood to Larchwood starting Monday. That's the first phase of the whale pond. So we started downstream northeast corner of the pro the town from Norwood to Larchwood that whale pond goes to that. That's the northern
border of the town. That'll all be dn snagged in about a week or so, but they're starting Monday, weather permitting. Um stream cleaning in Allen West Allen. This is the gentleman, Mr. Matut, >> not West Allen or West Steel.
>> West dealing. Yeah. He said no. >> He said no. And it the the conversation went downhill very fast after that. >> Hey all sorts. >> And it had nothing to do and he talked about everything except the dredging about number of garbage cans he has, the number of collections, the taxes. And
>> doesn't he realize that? >> Doesn't he realize that if we d snag it will protect his property? >> I told him, but he just >> I mean he's not paying for it. >> Yeah, >> we're paying for it. I couldn't get a word in Edgewise. >> All right, I'll take a run at it. >> I don't know how I'm going to do, but
I'll give it a shot. >> I'll give it a shot. >> Uh the new >> the whole town. It'll help him, too. >> Yeah. I mean, it just it will flow through there better. It's not going to really do a whole lot of good for >> I think that's been our issue when we went over by uh Popppler uh when we went
two summers ago. Yeah. I mean, it was all clogged clogged up. Guy had a dam down there. No wonder we kept getting flooded out. Yep. That makes a big difference. >> Yeah. >> Uh, next one is the light at deal and popppler. Uh, dot. I've talked to them. They said they're ready to go with the
design. Their design is complete. They're ready to put out the bid. Um, >> actually, I skipped around cold Indian. >> Yeah, the design is done. They're looking for the about the bid. JCP and all is just waiting to finish the design. >> I'm sure the snow last week probably
slowed them down a little bit. So, they're they will be getting to that probably in the next week or so hopefully. Um, then I got the lighted deal in Popppler. That's the one we want with the left turn lane. He's going to put be putting that in probably in the next month. They're just waiting for that to then the equipment to come in. Uh, I
also talked to the owner of Ocean Plaza. This is about putting the fence uh along the Stro's property or Stroolo ice cream so they the kids won't run into road. >> Yeah, >> he's going to do that. He's going to put a split rail fence up there. >> Good. >> Stop them from doing that. >> While we're on that topic, who's
responsible for paving the plowing the road, >> the loop road a >> Yeah. >> The owner is the owner of the complex plaza. >> Very dangerous at the corner of in front of the hotel. >> Big that doesn't the Yeah. The the road
doesn't go there. Oh, yes it does. Yeah. Down. So if you're if somebody's coming >> here's a big mound. >> Okay. I'll tell them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Um
and then the other thing was just we kind of talked about to all the other street lights that will follow large. That's all the things I have. >> All right. >> So, could you give us any update on camp >> wall is done. We're just we're just waiting for the springtime. We'll re we
will reed that because we just put a winter seat on it because of timing was done. But probably sometime I'll say in mid April we'll receive >> that just the bathroom. >> Um well we haven't we have to go we're going to submit a CDBGA application to
the county to put the bathrooms and we already done that once. We weren't successful >> but we hadn't planned on there was nothing on the boards to put anything there. You guys hadn't come up with anything other than the bathroom. So if we get the funding then we were going to put that in. But we really was nothing was really discussed of the use of that
property other than taking that building down. >> Would that come up? >> That's that's up to you guys. I mean, I don't >> other than other than the playground there. >> There's some ideas. >> We had talked about potentially putting a pavilion up there at some point, but
>> we didn't get the >> Yeah, we just, you know, we just got to kewell a few years ago and they just did the house. I mean, it's definitely could be in the works. We just have to get through budget and stuff. >> It's not a dead idea. There's they make these concrete lounge chairs. We can put up these permanent umbrella type things
so you can have a nice view of the lake. And there's some great ideas. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Whatever you guys want to do. Just you don't really want to do anything until you kind of have a full design of what you want to do >> because you don't want to pigeon hole yourself into a bad spot. >> Right. When are we applying for the uh CDBG grant
>> this fall? >> Right. Okay. And that's for the for the >> for the bathroom. Yeah. Um, >> can I follow up on the first one? >> Did we just do your original plan or did we listen to Jim and revise it? >> No, all that we did was take the house
down and the original plan was take the house down and blade it off to the level surface. >> All the stuff that Jim brought us with the elevations and everything. >> Is he an engineer? >> He very knowledgeable. >> He does >> an engineer. >> He has done county paths parks before. I
don't know exactly what his >> I don't know if I've ever seen >> Jim. What's Jim's last name? >> That was the plan that he just showed like a parking lot or something. >> Yeah, I not the parking lot, but he said that we could go farther. So, I haven't I was there when it was getting done,
but I don't know how. >> Yeah. I I really didn't look at that because like I said, I don't think you want to go and commit to putting something until we do every do a plan for all of it. >> Well, it wasn't it was to expand it. It was to make it >> but he just I think send me a parking lot. He wanted to grade it. So, He wanted to make it go out farther so that
the slope wasn't as great so that we could develop more. >> Well, the thing that's there now, it's a pretty flat slope relatively speaking. You know, the slopes out there around it are much greater than the property where the house was. It's probably got two or 3% slope in there >> and we can change it however you want to
change it. It's just when we figure out what we want to do, then we'll we'll fix it. >> Yeah. And those you kind of want to let go when they nature. But, uh, >> very knowledgeable about the I've been down there. Um, the other question I had was I know
there's been several emails from the resident. I'm not 100% remembering the name of the road, but it's about an apron >> and I know you've been responding back. Is there any >> Oh, on Carberry. >> Yes. >> Yes. The >> Is there any update? Because I know that they've been waiting and >> I sent them the last email about two
weeks ago. Okay. What the final design was because he was he didn't couldn't see on the plans where it was. So, I explained to him what it was and I haven't heard back from him since. So, I'm assuming he's okay with it because in about two to three weeks, we're going to be putting that in. >> Okay. >> But he has to realize that's that that whole thing is off his property. That
whole apron, the pipe where it ends is at the property line. It's actually on the neighboring properties behind them, which is um I forget who owns that. The people who own the the school there. >> Yeah. >> They they own that Hopie's property and they gave us an easement to put that apron. That's what it took so long to
get it in there. But yeah, that's all. >> So, it's happening soon. just took a while because of the easement we needed. >> Yep. >> Any other questions for Greg? >> Unbelievable, but um I know I sound like
a broken record sometimes. >> Not at all. >> No, no, no. It's just the the street. I feel like it's so important to people and they want to know when their street is coming up. Is there any way we can put the list? Well, that's why I said earlier I'm going to have the 26 list done probably
next week. Okay. >> So, we can put that up. The 25 list I think was already on, but we'll reput that. >> I don't know where it went. >> Okay. Well, we'll reput it up again. >> Okay. >> So, actually what we could probably do, we'll put the 24, which is starting out at 25 will start midsummer. 26 will start in the fall. >> Yeah. So, these will be the three projects. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. No problem. >> Okay. And then we were talking back and forth. >> Well, you Well, generally we we don't address curbing at all unless it's part of the road program. We don't just go out and do car curving and sidewalks
really. Um, but the gentleman I was speaking to, he wanted me to analyze two streets up there. I did. And his whole section of street, there's no curb or sidewalk in the whole street. So, that was be a road that we would probably not be willing to do because you're going to have to make go through an assessment
district with all the neighbors on that propert. And I don't think they're going to want they would we would pay for the curb, but they would have to pay for the sidewalk. >> What street was it? >> Uh, >> yeah. What was Chadam? The one next to >> Chadamware I think it was Delaware.
>> You had there's like they're four blocks long both streets. >> Yep. >> And one end of one street both ends of one street I think it was Chadam had curban curving on its >> and then the middle sections there was very little on one and none on the other. Delaware was was pretty sparse for curving on any any of the four
pieces. one I think the southern end had curving but the other three >> paint them >> we well we didn't pay uh or somebody >> why certain properties >> they just when the developer developed it he didn't sometimes they put curb in
some people will do that when they get a new house they'll come in with you know they build a new house they want curb in front of for the curb appeal so you'll see sporadically through the town one piece of curb in front of the guy's house and it's mostly because they don't want people pulling off of the street onto the grass >> so wanted to >> he could put it on himself. Yeah.
>> He just has to get Yeah. He just has to come and get a permit or from public works a road open permit >> cost. >> I Well, he would his cost would probably be for him to do it would probably about $20 a foot a line of foot. So, it's 100 fee is
$2,000. But the problem is he's going to have to post a bond which is not very expensive, but it's still you have to go through the rigor of posting a bond and putting up inspection fees. and he gets it all back if he hires a good contractor because inspection everything goes well. If it doesn't, that's when you have some fun. Generally, they hire
the cheapest guy, which means you have a lot of fun. >> But yeah, they can put their own in if they like, but we just have to review it to make sure that it doesn't cause any drainage problems anywhere. But it's that's totally possible. >> Anybody else? Correct. So, the only question I had, and I don't know if this is the correct question, but uh I
noticed the potholes are ginormous. So, um >> tar has got to open up by uh March 15th. >> Yeah. So, uh I guess we probably need to evaluate the giant bomb craters that are along the roads now. >> Yeah. Yeah. But my guys will my guys
ride around that for me. But that that is the filling of the potholes is DPW. >> Yeah. Pass. >> Yeah. You have to call them. You talking about the Asheville? Are they open yet? >> Not till March. >> March 15th. >> Usually usually the 15th fil
but it doesn't last long. >> Yeah, it's always the 15th of March. 15th 17th March. >> Um we got a lot of complaints on Ring Road till CV Square. So Dave reached out to the owner and hopefully he'll be >> paying advancing
sunset road. Everybody knows on TV that's the mall. >> Privately owned. >> Privately owned, not ours. Okay. Any other questions for Greg? >> All right. Motion to go home closed. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Wait, wait, wait. Do you have anything or is it all closed?
>> We can't ask other questions about >> uh agenda. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> I just had two questions. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Yeah, because he's got Dave's got a few things. >> Okay.
This is not close. Okay. Um >> I I was just wondering why we pay a monthly dump fee um to the county and not it's not part of our taxpayer money that goes to the county because it's $56,000 every time we go to I guess the
dump. So that's one question. And then the other one was the taxpayers pay the board of ed for the use of the buses. So why isn't like a shared service where the why is the town paying $4,500 to the school district? Those are the only two
>> isn't like the same money like taxpayers are paying for buses for their buses. They that's their budget. So we pay them to use utilize the buses for the camps. They do it every summer. >> Same thing with the county. We utilize their landfill to dump everything we
have to pay for >> garbage dis. doesn't seem fair honestly in my opinion because like we're already paying Tommy >> but you know I was just at that tax presentation we're paying what is it 206%
>> you know so it's it's a lot of money over 12 months $56,000 each month >> added up on 54 towns it adds up pretty good for them too >> so those are my only two thank you >> motion >> close second
He made it all in >> favor when you're ready. >> Okay. >> Roll call, please. >> Mayor Neutani >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Fischer >> here. >> Council member Zachera here. >> Kaplan and Telerica here. >> Can everyone please stand and do a
pledge of allegiance and remain standing and do a silent prayer. This silent prayer today uh will be for Father Eugenius. He's um a little sick right now. So, we're sending our prayers to Father Eugenius from the Greek church up the street hoping for a speedy recovery.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing. You may be seated.
The notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on December 18th, 2025. There are two emergency exits to my right that'll take you to the front of
the building. There's one to the rear that'll take you to the back of the building. Please make sure that all your cell phones are turned off and if you need to make a call, kindly step outside. We are going to start with council comments. I'll start down at the end with Deputy Mayor Dave Fischer. >> Thank you, Mayor. I have uh of course
these unprecedented back-to-back storms. I want to thank our DPW, OEM, Ocean Township Police Department, and anybody else who helped out. These uh these are trying times, and unfortunately, it's not an easy job to to move all that snow. Uh but I did um you know sometimes
there's a post-mortem when these things occur and one of the things that did come out there are people who have contacted all of us and they are essential personnel that need rides to the hospitals. They need rides to you know work where they need situations that they have to get there. I think we
as discussed with Tom Rue from OEM we want to put these people on one central list so it's not so haphazard. So, the best way to do this is to send an email to OEM oceanwp.org. Tom Rue is going to be in charge, but I
think it's a it makes a lot of sense to do something like that. Uh, so the other thing I wanted to put out there, and I know unfortunately when you're sitting home with cabin fever is that you love to put stuff on the internet like, h, everything stinks. But the problem is
the township is not monitoring ocean cares. So if you have an issue, if you have a problem, if it's a critical problem, you're obviously going to call 911, call the police department. But if you have issues, you got to contact OEM because otherwise you're screaming into
a forest and nobody's hearing you. So just want to let that let the public know that there really is no better way than contacting the town. Otherwise, you're just yelling into, you know, a long hallway. Thanks, Mayor. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Kaplan. Uh just
to again as always echo um Deputy Mayor Fischer's uh gratitude to OEM, to our DPW. They really were amazing and responsive in getting to where they needed to be during the snowstorm. Um just a few updates. Uh last week was a
busy meeting week. So I attended a complete streets ocean township meeting. um they unfortunately are ineligible for the grant that they're seeking, but we are discussing speed limit reductions in certain streets in Manamasa. Um hopefully we can we can make some
changes that'll be uh make things safer for pedestrians and for bikers and conversations are ongoing, but we're getting there and hopefully that'll lead to some positive improvements. Um I also attended a tax presentation last week for state and local officials that was hosted by the board of county
commissioners. Um the purpose of the the meeting was to explain the tax assessment program in Mammoth County County and it was very informative. Um they broke it down very easily and they're going to try to break it down for residents um more clearly in any way
that they can. Um they did mention a website that I wanted to put out there. One of the assessors mentioned it, property taxmath.org uh to kind of um make things more easily accessible for residents. So, um I think it'll help explain the counties, the
municipalities, the school board's role in our property taxes. So, I encourage everybody to to kind of uh get educated in that area. Um and lastly, our 250th our country's 250th anniversary is coming up. So, um we met we're gearing
towards uh some fun events this um summer or the spring and summer. Uh we have a Flag Day celebration. I believe that's June 14th and a special Fourth of July presentation. uh celebration. Um we're are planning a bike parade for our kids and we have a great committee led
by Jen Nordstrom, a bunch of town employees including Jesse um and volunteers and so keep an eye out for some announcements of those events. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Councilman Sarah, >> uh this morning, thank you, Mr. Mayor. This morning the uh chamber of commerce
had a breakfast and business um event over at the new Renaissance uh by Marriott Residence in and they had uh Diane Raver who is the executive director of the New Jersey Film Festival. Uh nearly 40 people there. It was a tremendous turnout. Um I bring
that up for two reasons. One um if you're interested in film uh there are a number of courses that are being offered at Brookdale uh as part of the overall program. Um, but two, uh, the number of people that were there that were interested in jobs and the ability for them to get certified to do those jobs,
and a lot of them were from Ocean Township, uh, they were very excited about it. But the businesses in Ocean, as we've been talking about through the economic development committee, through the Chamber of Commerce, through the council, uh, year or two, year and a half, two years ago, we did pass the film ordinance to make it easier for um,
and I've learned the term, we're film ready in Ocean Township. Uh so those ordinances exist and uh if people are looking to do films in ocean we're certainly ready for that. Um the other thing I'll mention on the chamber if I can mayor is the uh lunchon that we usually have the scholarship lunchon
which is uh taking place at the renaissance on March 24th. I've mentioned in the past and you go on the website to see all the nominees. I won't excuse me all the award winners. I won't mention that again but it is um Tuesday March the 24th 11:30 at the Renaissance.
Uh if you're interested, uh website is gocc.org. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Talerico. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um I also wanted to express my sincere thanks and appreciation to the leadership and staff of the Office of Emergency Management,
Department of Public Works, Police, and Fire departments. Special thanks to our director, Tom Rue, and our director, Steve Higgins. Um they work they these departments worked tirelessly to help clear the streets, manage crisis after crisis and did this
with the best interests of our residents in mind. As a first responder myself and a past supervisor of a county crisis unit, I could not be prouder of the work that was done over this past weekend and uh a Monday and Tuesday. So thank you to all. I did want to just share that the
office of emergency management created a warming center and it was highly beneficial providing food, water, charging stations, and shelter to residents without power or heat. So, I did work a 4-hour shift there and interacted with many who were medically
vulnerable, elderly, or had special needs. So, I hope that this can continue in the future um for emergency crisis management. I also attended the county tax presentation given by our Monmouth County tax assessor and I just have one
thing to add. Um they all did discuss they want taxpayers to better understand how the ADP functions the assessment development program how property tax levi levy distributions work and to encourage transparency and assessments. So additionally they're developing ways
to answer any questions the public may have about annual tax assessments. And I did post a summary under my own Facebook page. Um, Councilwoman Grace Telerica. I also attended the League of Municipalities training on orientation
for newly elected officials. Wanted to just share that our the next Thursday is the Shade Tree Environmental Commission meetings and they start at 700 p.m. And sorry, a lot more. Um,
I did want to ask about the emergency management plan for the age restricted apartment complex or housing that's to be filed with OEM. So, I wanted to bring that up. But I also want to say that over this um you know emergency and snowstorm,
I think we do need to tighten up the landlord tenant ordinances and rules to ensure that our residents who live in the apartments are being treated adequately, fairly with regards to cleanliness, upkeep of floors and buildings, ensure that they have heat, air conditioning, hot water, a staff
maintenance worker on site, and proper garbage disposal. I'd like to see an emer emergency management plan prepared and provided by every apartment building in town for age restricted by law and ones that also have children living at
them. And um guess that's it. So thank you very much. >> Thank you Councilwoman Dave Brown. >> Thank you Mayor. I just want to um echo what the governing body has already said but send my um extreme gratefulness for
a job well done. uh as the township employees were exemplary through this uh blizzard of 2026, which we have not seen this amount of snow in a very long time. So, I believe that um they tackled it with all their might and did the very
best they could. And we're still doing some uh post uh Blizzard uh cleanup. And for some of our employees, we have they have a lot of paperwork that they're going to be working on now, too, as we um hopefully file in accordance with the
uh the emergency that the governor called. So, want to thank everybody for their hard work and their diligent work. >> Thank you, Dave. Um and I will also start off with that. Uh and I'll add one extra person that was Jose from JCPNL.
We have a new representative that was beyond anything I could ever imagine with giving information out so that we could find out how many outages we had. He he and I were on the phone till 11:30, two nights in a row, him giving me updates. They were chipping away at
these numbers. We were over a thousand. Um we were down to two yesterday and they were done. So they were really they they moved. They brought crews in from all over the place. Uh very very impressed with it. I want to thank Councilwoman Talorico for being over at the warming center. Um, this was a team
effort, I have to say. Tommy Hardy running the crews out on the roads. Made everything really, really run smoothly. Um, I'm on the road myself cuz I own a snow removal company and I most of my clients are in um, Ocean Township, so
being on the road and seeing it firsthand, I have to say they did a phenomenal job with what they were dealt in this storm. So again, I want to thank Tom Hardy. I want to thank Steve Higgins, of course, Mike Santino, our chief of police, and most importantly,
Tom Rue, who really put major major hours in. Thank you to all crew and the coordination was phenomenal. Um, we have our annual St. Patrick's Day uh dinner dance celebration and that will be at the Renaissance. Trying to pull up my uh
Okay, so we have full page ad sponsors, we have half page, we have business. Uh tickets are $55 a person. It will be at the Renaissance March 12th. We have the Eddie Testa Bandan playing. It's always a blast with Eddie. Uh Jen just texted
me now and it looks like we are selling a lot. So I would get your tickets as soon as you can. It's always a great evening. Um, again, that's March 12th. And we have sponsors for our community uh celebrations that we have within the municipality. Not everything's paid out
of the budget. We rely on sponsors. One person that committed to me today was Gino Delmo from Shrewsbury Volkswagen. $10,000 sponsor for the municipality. That is going to help us do an incredible amount of things that we want to do for the year. And that's just the
start. We do have a $25,000 sponsor because it is the 250th. So, if we know anybody with some nice deep pockets, that would be nice if we could grab that as well. But, we are looking at enhancing the fireworks this year. And as Councilwoman Kaplan stated, they've been meeting uh the county's been
meeting. They've been gearing up for two years. And we're, you know, really, really excited about what can, you know, what can come forth. I believe there's a 250th gala on June 25th. More details will be coming out. The county is planning a lot of different things. Now
again, we've got some really good things going on here in Ocean Township. Okay, so we are going to go into the consent agenda. All matters listed under the consent agenda or considered routine by the township council and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate
discussion on these items. If discussion is desired on any item, that item will be considered separately. The purpose of the public portion is to solely ask questions to understand resolutions that appear on the agenda and it's not an occasion for a public hearing on an ordinance. All questions
not related to an item on the agenda should be asked or in the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting. Moving opening up to the residents right now. Is there anyone that has any questions on the consent agenda? Please step up to the microphone. State your name and address
for the record. Um, Alex Hayes Oakhurst resolution three I put on my notes. So, sorry that is um that I'm sorry, resolution four, the
change order for the um pedestrian bridge. This is what I brought up last week because it was actually in the last or the last meeting. It was in the um all the documents, but it wasn't on the agenda or vice versa. Um I thought that pedestrian bridge was going to be paid
for privately. So, are you all paying for this additional seven grand or what? Uh six grand. >> Okay. Any any other questions? >> Um I think on ordinances, but that's later. >> Okay, cool. Uh no, we are not paying for that. That's going to be reimbursed by
um I believe by Megan and David. So they're all set to reimburse. Got to find out from Ricky how they're going to do that, right? >> Actually >> already done. Mayor, >> already done. But >> already been paid for. >> Why do you guys even have to approve it if it's private and >> it's on our property? >> Yeah. We have to run it through local
public contract law and follow the regular procedures. So what they did was give us a grant to cover everything. >> Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. And just for the record, Alex, that is to approve payment to the contractor to do the work. >> Yes, I got that. But
>> thank you. >> Anyone else w wishing to be heard on any items on the consent agenda only >> agenda? What does that mean? >> Just all the items on the consent agenda. If you have any questions not on the agenda, that'll be after we vote on
the ordinance. Yep. Seeing or none, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? Do I have a motion to you? >> So moved. >> Second. Second. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico.
>> This is resolution 1 to1. Correct. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And Nutani. >> Yes. Individual action vouchers in the amount of $2,63,956.58. Someone please offer. Uh, I'll offer the consent agenda vouchers. >> Okay. Uh, that's individual action
vouchers. >> Individual action vouchers, sir. >> Yep. Second. Second. Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Bisher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> Yes. >> Neblen. >> Yes. Ordinances up for adoption. The first one has been withdrawn. That's ordinance 2534. So that is off the
schedule. Tonight we have ordinance 2535 which is an ordinance to repeal and replace section 21-9A affordable housing development fees and section 21-B affordable housing. Can someone please open up public discussion on ordinance
2535? >> I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2535. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Roll call. >> Yes. >> Bishop. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard on
ordinance 2535, please step up to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. >> Alex Hayes O'herst. Um, somehow I read these online in a different order, so I'm assuming you had two affordable housing type ordinances, so I hope I'm
getting the right one. Um, so the one about the fees I believe is the one about um, >> wait, we're on 2535. Is that the one? >> That's the one about the fees, ma'am. >> The one about the fees is about the rehabbing of units. Correct. >> Correct.
>> Okay. And the other one's about zoning. Okay. So, um, and I'm going to quote here, "The municipalities shall dedicate a minimum average hard cost of $10,000 for each to be rehabbed through this program." Um,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So, two questions. Are we paying for any of these renovations that might happen in this town? >> No, we shouldn't. This should be coming from the builder. >> So, what does that line in there mean? >> You got to tell me where you're at. I
just cut and pasteed and it's I'm quoting the municipality shall dedicate a minimum average hard cost of $10,000 for each unit to be rehabilitated through this program and in addition shall dedicate associated rehabil program soft costs such as case management inspection fees and work
writeups. >> There's a lot of pages. >> I know there's a lot of pages. >> I don't have to tell you that. >> Yeah. >> Number D. I'm repeating >> what page number you know.
>> If only somebody had it open. They could probably do CtrlF and then search $10,000 under this ordinance. >> Yeah. Let let me get back to you on this one cuz I just want clarification myself. But to my understanding, the builder's pay, but in this case, the way
this is worded, it's saying that the uh municipality >> Does that come out of the trust fund, Dave? >> That's what I'm thinking. But I just want clarity before I say that so that I get a correct answer. >> There's an affordable housing trust fund that uh developers pay into over a period of time when they're
redeveloping. So, we have a trust fund. I think we're in the upwards of three to $4 million. So they can pro based upon what's said in there, it might be earmarked out of those funds. If you could explain that though maybe in an email to me because even if the developers are paying into it, I don't
get why we would then be giving them back $10,000 per unit because I read this that entire ordinance as this is >> that this is the ordinance that allows apartment complexes to rehab units
potentially raising rents. Um because it says that in there that the landlords may re raise rents. So I'm wondering what complexes are we talking here? How many apartments like what's the goal of this? Are we
getting 30 new apartments are going to have um you know new kitchens or what does what does this mean by rehabbing apartments? Thank you >> Dave. Uh yeah, if you can get that
together and then send an email over to Alex, that'd be great. >> Yeah, I'm I'm pass that question was for now, though. >> Oh, that's an unanswerable question because a lot of this is um language that's coming from the state that we have to incorporate in here. So, there may or may not be any like I don't know
of any apartment units coming online right now. These would apply to the ones that are here right now. So, so if they went to go do their rehab like now, once this is adopted and the days go by um after adoption, then these these rules would be in effect. So, if someone
walked into the building department said, "I want to rehab uh x amount of units, all of these new regulations would be in place." >> Sure. So, if you're a middle sack, middlebrook apartment dweller, apartment dweller, who uses that term, uh renter,
um what are there hundreds of units there? So, Surely we must know. Like, have we heard from whoever owns these complexes? Yes. Raise your hand. I'm going to be rehabbing 72 apartments because those residents should probably know that their rents are going to go
up. >> True. But we have not heard by anybody doing this. This again, this is coming from the state of New Jersey through all that was passed at the end of last year, and we're updating all of our regulations to meet uh compliance. >> Okay.
If I can just say this this ordinance this form of ordinance is being adopted by towns all over the state of New Jersey and it is adopting the rules that are enacted by the state. So it's not just ocean that's deciding how it's done. It's the state really is deciding how it's done and it's being implemented
now through through the towns. I understand your your question about the effect it might have >> because you all don't really take questions from two weeks ago when this was on the agenda. So if any resident of any of these apartment complexes in town, which is in the probably 10 thousands, right, of of homeowners or
renters, they might have wanted to come here and be like, "What? Uh you you're doing something even if it's state imposed >> that could raise my rent." >> They can come here at any public meeting and ask that question that the the town still has to implement these, adopt
these by March 15th in order to comply with the state regulatory structure. So fair questions. If anybody wants to come and ask about their particular unit, sure, anytime at all or ask Dave, but it would not affect the enactment of this ordinance tonight, which is required by state law.
>> I I hope there's some education and some communication to our apartment complexes and the tenants. Thank you. Yeah, the game plan is that once all of this stuff gets the dust settles, we get it all passed, we're going to bring in our affordable housing expert who knows way more than I do to come in and speak and
be able to answer those questions and we can invite the public as well. >> C can I ask a question? So, are we having the special meeting on the 12th? >> Okay. >> Can Can we withdraw this one and put it on for the 12th since it meets the deadline? >> No, we have to pass it on. >> You can't withdraw it.
>> No, you have to. If you withdraw, you got to >> public hearing. >> Oh, withdraw is a good choice. Can we postpone the vote >> to get the answer? I mean, >> we're having the public hearing. >> This isn't >> No, no, this is the 2535. Uh,
>> this one carrying two until the 12th. >> Oh, it doesn't say that. >> Yes, it does. Public hearing carry 3126. And >> why did we even bring it up? Okay.
>> Motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2535. >> I'll move to close public discussion. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. Yes. >> Terico. >> Yes. >> And Natalani. So, this one is being
>> we're not adopting it. It's being carried. We probably shouldn't have even needed >> and the affordable housing people will be there at that meeting. >> Good answer. So, I'm going to just cover us real quick. Um, I would say councelor, we need a motion to introduce
ordinance 2535 since we're voting on it next week. >> No, it was introduced I believe at the last. >> Okay. So, we're not voting on this tonight. Introductions of ordinance 2536 which is an ordinance establishing a cap
bank for the year 2026 in accord ordinance with NJSA48-4-45.14. Someone please introduce ordinance 2536. >> I move to introduce ordinance 2536. >> Uh second >> second. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico.
>> No. and number 10. >> Yes. Uh or that will have its public hearing on the 26th of March. Ordinance 2538, which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 21, the comprehensive land development ordinance to the township of ocean, article for
zoning provision section 21-17, establishment of zones. Section 21-18, official tax map. Someone please introduce ordinance 2538. >> Introduce ordinance 2538. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> Aera, >> yes. >> Fisher,
>> yes. >> Kaplan, >> yes. >> Terico, >> yes. >> Nutanic, >> yes. That two will have its poker hearing on the 12th of March. >> You doing 20 37? >> I skip 37. >> Yeah. >> Mayor, can I ask the um attorney a question? >> On which on
>> on the ordinance? >> The one we're going to do now because I thought or I'm sorry, 2535. I thought we were bringing it to the next meeting and then voting to adopt it. >> That's correct. >> Yes, we all That is correct. >> That is correct.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> My apologies. I general ordinances of the town of ocean 1965 prohibiting parking along Helen Court. Can someone please introduce ordinance 2537 ordinance 257?
>> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Peter. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terico. >> Yes. 2537. Right. Neutician. >> Yes. That two will have its public hearing on the 26th of March.
>> Then 2538 is on the 12th of March. Okay, we're going to open it up to public comment on anything germaine of the township provotion. You have a fivem minute limit. So, please get all your questions out and we will either answer them or we will have
Dave or our attorney. Alex Hayes uh Oakurst, thank you Graan for explaining because I I don't know if there's a buzz and it was hard to understand when you guys tabled or postponed or whatever that was. Um, it's also hard to tell if you're going to have a public hearing or not on each
ordinance because I thought you were going to have one on ordinance three. Um, but now you just now that's going to be again for the other one. So, um, I'm going to still ask some questions on that one. Um, and I think I hinted at
this maybe the last meeting, too. Um, so the way I understand that ordinance is you're creating new overlay zones, right? 2536 you're talking about or >> I'm talking about 2538 now. >> 2538. Okay. >> So there's two areas. The English manor inclusionary overlay zone and then one
on Herbert. So we're going to be increasing the number of potential units that could get on any acre. I'm looking still to find out do we have developers interested? How many acres are we looking at so that we can know how many
units are potentially even if you have no developers right now? You all should know that there's 7 acres, 27 acres, I don't know. So then if I can do the math, I'll know how many units could potentially be coming. So my question is
how many acres and how many units and do we have developers? Okay, so those are a couple questions. I also want to know who owns the land right now in those two overlay zones. Um, and then back to my general questions.
Um, when I asked last week, um, because this is now the third work session almost in a row, but in about two months that you all have deleted public comment upstairs. And I had a question about it like why couldn't when you came down
here because the work was late and you started this new meeting why couldn't you all start with another work set um public comment since you kind of bypassed us upstairs and the attorney said it's up to the council to decide whether or not they can do that. My new question is if it's on the publicly
published agenda that there was to be a public comment in that work session. Aren't you obligated to have a public comment before you close and go to um close session or before you
close to come down here for the 8 for the um 6:30? So, wait, but I'm not done cuz I don't I'll just go through my list. Um is the DPW site at Cindy Lane? I thought we still weren't there yet, but now you all just said you're going to have
permits by the summer. That's what uh Greg said upstairs that permits should be ready by the summer. So, are we building something new and who's paying for that? The new DPW by Cindy Lane. I know it's a lot of questions. Um
let's see. Okay. Um, and then I guess my last question is when you go down, you know, like the tax roles and all the things that you may or may not um, you know, give extra if if somebody wins in a tax court and like so I keep seeing these addresses in our agendas and then
I see LLC next to them. So, I'd like to know how do I find out how many LLC's own individual single family homes in this town? That might have been like nine questions. >> I know. I'm like, it's okay. Anything else? Any other questions?
>> That was under five minutes. Um, and it would have been nice to have chairs outside because you guys didn't have the meeting upstairs and then you shut the door, so there were people waiting in the hallway. >> That's my Okay. Uh, public comment. I'm going to lob that over to our attorney.
>> Yep. Um, the the workshop session, if there's an executive session, this public session is considered one meeting. By law, the state law requires um public comment to be allowed for any public meeting. So, it's really a single public meeting. You can comment now. It
is within the council's discretion. I I I don't think that at least the agenda. I have didn't have that listed for the workshop session. Um and I think it's really a question of time. Um, honestly, it's uh if there's time available. If
not, the time is now for uh questions, comments about uh work workshop session items. >> Thank you, Kevin. Uh permits Cindy Lane. I don't we we haven't made any decisions on Cindy Lane with anything. We're still waiting to find out about its cleanup.
>> Yeah, the only permits at Cindy Lane that Greg had to be referring to is we're waiting on the New Jersey D to get back to us. And then there was a secondary um filing that Greg wanted the other engineering company to do. That's what he was referring to. And that
hasn't been filed yet. >> Well, he's referring to the first filing, which we would hope we would get permit spending, but I'm not holding my breath. >> Me neither with the D LLC's. Uh we could get assessor to >> the the tax assessor's office. You can
go there. Actually, you might be able to do it online. Um, if you go to tax assessor's web page, you'll probably be able to go there and do a search that would also back into your first question about the overlays on owners. You can also plug those blocking lots in and the owners will pop up. So, you can get that. You
can also open it as well. And as far as the overlay zones, um, we we don't have any plans there. It's just uh another way to um comply with the fair share housing litigation that was ongoing and
this was what we negotiated as a township to meet meet their uh wishes or negotiations to to get that overlay zone. So the owners you can get from the tax assessor. The you also had something else after the owners. It was
Oh, the acreage. You could probably get that from the assessor once you look up all the lots. And you had one more question there. There was another one. Oh, we don't have any developers. That's what it was. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Anyone wish anyone else wishing to be heard, please step up to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. >> Last name is Miller. Jeffrey Miller lives on Alpornne Avenue and uh my question is about that. I forgot the
exact number that you put on it, but the Helen Court uh safe signage. Um did you by any chance did is it going to read no standing and no um no parking and no standing?
>> It's that standing issue is just as important. >> Okay. >> Uh it's very narrow street. And by the way, I want to thank the police department uh traffic fellas in traffic for uh working so
you know they were very uh thorough and extremely helpful. I had no idea the procedure and um just note that we had a fire on Helen Court years ago. I'm on the alurn side and fire department
couldn't get down there. Um it went across my lawn which is I'm not complaining about that. I uh but just the fact that that had to happen um it's kind of a little unsettling uh with all the building going on um the trucks are
coming through and uh it's like the rest of township growing every minute but this is a particular u extreme. >> So Mr. Miller you're you're you want to know if it's not not going to just say parking but also no standing. Okay, we can speak to the police department about that.
>> And and there's reasons for I mean good reason. It's a real narrow area. No sidewalks. >> Okay. >> So that's uh >> we we'll mention it to the traffic department. >> I don't know if that was mentioned in the >> Dave will talk to the chief tomorrow. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yep. >> But that's not the important thing is that people can go to work and get out and do what they need to do during the day. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else wishing to be heard, please
step up to the microphone phone, state your name and address for the record. I'm Jonathan Shutman. I was here also last week and I wanted to uh thank first of all Mrs. tell Rico for basically taking this by by taking this
seriously and understanding how wrong the problem was that my mother-in-law was facing. And I want to thank her personally for that. I want to thank the mayor for showing up yesterday at my mother-in-law's and starting to get a look at what I think the surface does
not tell us what's inside. And so if you look at all the promotional information on on this uh community strategies or whatever it's called right now, but there are the people who have multitude uh heretic villages throughout the state
and if you look on the outside it looks very nice and I think the mayor found out yesterday when you go inside it tells an entirely different story. I used to work for a very good superintendent and his mantra was if it's monitored it will get done and I
think that this uh board and also whomever is in charge of of the conditions of the buildings in this township should make unannounced visits and site what are basically um very poor
upkeep, very poor maintenance. If you look at my mother-in-law was afraid to say something way back when, she was always not happy there, but she was afraid because she thought there would be retribution and that she wouldn't be able to get
another lease. So, I want that said publicly. Well, when the heat went bad, there was no longer anything we could do. We had to complain. And that complaint was carried by Mrs. Terico, but took a lot of time to get done. And
then yesterday the mayor found out that it still hadn't been corrected adequately. And so if this board is going to approve more uh uh lowincome housing, etc., this board should also be monitoring
what's going on in these buildings. And so that's my suggestion to the town council. And again, I thank Mrs. Telerico and I thank the mayor for showing up. >> Thank you, Dr. Shutupman. I appreciate those comments and it was very nice to connect with your mother-in-law because
um I found out she graduated with my dad from Asbury Park. So that was a real nice thing and have seen her at our super senior lunchons as well. She's great lady. Love her. Anyone else wishing to be heard? >> My name is Stephanie Spectre Shutupman.
Wait, I'm very short. Um, Stephanie Spectre Shutupman, lived in Ocean Township all my life. Um, and I do want to thank everyone here for taking where my mother lives at Heritage Village seriously. And before any fair share
housing can be addressed, I think it's time to actually look at the way the residents that are in SCES income housing are living now. Um, in addition to my mom when her apartment had a low
of 47 and a high of 53 degrees inside, that was what she had to live with again for fear of being kicked out. And that's and that's not just her. It's every resident there. They are afraid to open their mouths because they are afraid they will be evicted and they will have
nowhere to go. And that's just but she is just one story. Um, but to address fair share housing means before you can even move forward, you have Middlebrook apartments, you have Continental Gardens, there are all apartments
everywhere. We are overdeveloped as it is. And I'm not against everybody having a place to live and a warm safe environment. It's a matter of when you have existing housing, you can appropriate houses or or apartments as
they become available. And so this way it's not just a heritage village with low-income housing people, but they are a part of a community, which is what a community of gracious living really is. It means everybody feels a sense of
dignity where they live. And so they're not just sequestered into a building or a building in Middbrook or a building in Continental Gardens. There are ways to use what we have now because unless this
township can watch and monitor every toilet that's flushed every day, every shower that's taken every day, um the roads and the infrastructure that cannot accommodate what we have now for for um Deal Road and Whale Pond, which are one
lane basically for most of that ride. We don't have the infrastructure to support anything more. And so, yeah, you do what you call driveby assessments of land availability, but how does that account for knowing all the toilets that are
flushed, all the dishwashers, all the laundry, all the portable water that we are using, all the electric, all the sewer? I don't understand this to to begin to even look at doing more when you're not taking care of the residents
that are currently here. There seems to be a disconnect in my mind and I really want this town. I believe in Ocean Township. I've lived here always and I believe that the best can be yet to come, especially for the residents of
Heritage Village and every other apartment complex like that and for every resident to live with dignity because you're going to walk in unannounced and see that all they do is say, "Oh, it's not our problem. We have to talk to corporate." And the corporate
that owns Heritage Village is a woman who's worth over a half a million dollar. So they I'm sorry, half a billion. Yes, I'm sorry. A half a billion. She's worth over $660 million. One person. So you can't tell me that
she can't have a licensed HVAC person on the premise premises 24/7 so that every resident who lives there doesn't just have my mom for example her furnace there's water leaking into her furnace. She's on the top floor. How does that
happen? How safe is that? And so they just call Dan the handyman and he uses a wet vac to clean her unit out. and Grayanne and her husband saw what that unit looks like. It's rusted from all the water that's come through. And this
township should be looking at hers and every other apartment there. And thank you. Thank you all. >> Thank you, Mr. Chutman. We um are on top of this right now. Um I am meeting up with somebody next week to get a little more of an inside scoop on the building.
uh somebody that has a little bit more knowledge and I want to really get some facts together and then I'll go to our manager who will then see how we're going to address this. But I assure you we are going to work on this. Thank you for letting us know. Anyone else wishing to be heard, please step up to the
microphone, state your name and address for the record. Seeing here none, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Meeting is adjourned. See you on March
12th.