okay just want to remind everybody that all Council meetings will be audio and video and tape will be shown on the township devotion Community cable channel channel 22 on Verizon fos Channel 77 on cable vision can I have a roll call please mayor nean here Deputy council member chair here Kap here and
wi here the notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town home filed in the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd 2025 uh we'll start off with our Township
engineer for our Township projects okay good evening everybody right first the one first two actually they're both the r 23 and 24 programs there's really no change in status the 23 waiting for warmer weather 24 we're in the process of doing all the design work CU that
just got off the r uh next one kepwell um I have to certify with CFO that we have the money to do the demolition just to make sure he is I try these things without things I'm writing it doesn't go well for me next two items the whale Pond
sidewalks those are on hold we're waiting for money for those uh firemen's pond dredging we got our njde permit who yeah can you believe that cow yeah we got that before we got 1515 yes 155s is in the work but yeah
this one was a fight too they're just they're crazy they change actually made another change on Monday and the deadline was Thursday we got the plans back to on Tuesday and they gave us the permit on Wednesday so they changed things right up to the last day and which Pond I'm sorry which one is Pond
thank you and we're going to start the uh surveying Wetlands delation salt testing a lollipop pond that's our second priority uh that one as we' been talking about has received funding so we're going to get going on that one um next one is Terrace Pond that one
we're still working on we're going to meet with the county they want to do a little preliminary work I guess the mayor will probably be involved with that that's where the county wants to come and do that preliminary clear out just the channel in Terrace Pond I sent them um an email because when they were asking me to kind of give them a plan on
where they could do this that stretch that has to be cleared out is probably about 700 ft and they said they just want to come and do a little scratch you can do this and I was like so I said you got to guys got to come to the site meet me there you the engineer in John TOA and tell me where you want to do that
and then I'll give you where the road has to go when you get there Dave have they reached back out to you in regard to this you know no no no no balls in our court um uh I spoke to John to be uh at the state of the county yep and they're waiting on once they receive
everything from Greg the engineer then they're going to get back to us with some sort of quote that's for Fir and then no yeah that's for Firs that's not for this this is oh no no no they hav out for Terrace at all so Terrace is the one that they said they're they want to
take the ball and run with it on a d snagging a piece of that I don't honestly I don't know how they're going to be able to I think they probably reach out to you first on terrorist not me when they ready to roll out deploy yeah I actually reached out to them because remember they wanted me to send
them to plan and I sent them to play and they said you got to be more definitive on this where we got to clear I said you got to tell me where you want it cuz it's 700 ft long so come on and look at it then you'll understand it right cuz you're just not going to go out there and clean out a 2T section we would have done that you know they that channel is going to have to be cleared out for 700
ft to make that flow we don't there's no that you can't road that goes there by John everson's old house right you can't get down there that way it's a 45° angle oh it is oh it goes that that steep of a drop and when last time we got in there we used that access we had to build the road into that I was going to say you
had to level it major yeah that was Major effort for this we're going to Comm in from the golf course side cuz it's flat on that side but you know you still have to get out into the middle of the water which is about 200 ft wide well here's the issue and Mike brought it up patrio um we don't want to get into a point where he's got to close
that Golf Course down because we're doing that work so if they're going to do this thing and they're going to get to work and they want to get it done let's do it like now if the sooner they can get in I sented the memo last Friday or Monday of this week um I told him that you have to come out to the site
and meet us and I I told Mike I was going to invite him to that because yeah we do not want to interrupt the process of the golf course but I think when they see the effort that is needed to do what they want to do they'll probably abandon it because they're going to need a permit to get out there you know that's why we haven't done any of this yeah we
can't afford to have that Golf Course closed in the early spring when Mike's getting up and running and and has everything the way that he needs it I I don't want to do that to him and plus I think we run the risk of of doing that and such a minor nature is they everybody in that neighbor is going to
complain did you stop and that's it yeah you know cu that's not why' you stop at that house you shoulding a c toac only halfway right sorry I sorry that happen some we've done
half we paved half a road it's no way yeah it happens once in a while um but when they come out there when the county guys come out and talk I'm going to suggest that you know they're going to realize they have a problem because you can't just it's not a one day thing right so we'll work we'll work it out
when I already like I said I'm going to invite Mike to come out Mike atrio to come out and you know he'll be able to voice his opinion it you know this can't interrupt the golf course and it opens April 1st so they've got a 30-day window to do that
yep okay next one 1515 Logan um the the solos report is due early next week once I get that I'll submit that all back into the state and hopefully that will be done uh bimbler I still haven't heard anything from uh the County engineer I did reach out to to him again last week
that called him left a message saying that you you know I sent you the stuff do you have any opinion on that I just kind of want to see if they have any verbal response before we go out and put these uh concrete blocks in the middle of the street so Greg again um just so
we know as a council um that's our we can we do this or do we need their approval I kind of want them to know it because the problem you have is is well I know we want them to know it but the question is well they're going to know when we do it no no we can we have the ability to do that cuz it's our
municipality not a county our street y but the thing that I want them to be involved with a little bit because I want to instead of putting do not enter signs parallel to the street that you can't see until you're making the turn yeah I want to put a sign out in their right away it says no left turn because that then gives everybody hey there's no
left turn here and that's all the warning you really need and everybody sees that and then they're going to realize that turn is not there cuz right now what happens is if you go to make that left hand turn you kind of everybody knows you can jump in front of traffic coming westbound when if you get halfway into that lane you find out what
are these concrete barriers in way there's going to be enough room for one car to fit out of you know past the street Crossing but the second car is a problem and I don't want to have somebody get hit there so I'm going to ask that yeah so we definitely need signage I need a sign for them to support it and back to John so the same question you need permission for the
sign yes it's in that's that's going to be on the other that's actually on the Neptune side of the road oh but on the right side yeah it's on the right side so the county really shouldn't have a problem I mean if anybody maybe Asbury Park because they're going to be making the left on a
ridge or I think they're actually instead of making on rid they're going to make it on Fourth I think Fourth Street or the stub of end of fourth and everybody's going to be cutting across that and that little flashing light at the top of the hill isn't going to handle the traffic but this is all going there anyway it's all going to Fourth right when when we're getting ready let
me know so I can make that call might I haven't been yelled at in a couple days oh Greg Kevin can you lessen the blow I'm not available no please what are you putting in the road specifically we're going to put the
Jersey barriers like three sections of Jersey Barrier that huh that's what they're called Jersey Barrier yeah we got got they're called that's like what's down the middle ofout 35 Jersey Barrier we're the only state that has them everybody copied it so they called The Jersey
barer yeah that's what they copy y a all the things ja we're famous for we're for the barrier notice they're not copying the roundabouts anyway except in New Jersey with the no LIF turn the only time I see roundabout is in another
country where there's no traffic they are building the roundabout at the top of 66 Wayside there I see that so I'm getting updates on that um as they're doing the work and yeah it's
yeah they're moving now they're really getting I think they're planning have an open it open before summer wow really yeah they're moving pretty fast yeah they they got the bypass lane to get everybody off the one side of the road so they can fix Now Greg that work that they're doing on 66 they actually paved some of that Center um that's to get
everybody off the one side of the road okay as you're going westbond they're going to cross you over and make that two-way for a while up to the light Y and they're going to be able to fix that side of circle then they'll slip it to the other side fix the other side of circle y yeah they've already cut the circle in the grass front of self they're moving along yeah it's
going to be a bad thing when that's done just the one on this 35 why do they think that one's going to work there's more traffic up there yeah we'll see what happens you know what they need to do sorry if I may you know what they need to do on circles not that anybody would
listen but there used to be in the old days don't cross the solid line if everybody and I'm not saying they will but if they knew not to cross the solid line that would make circle especially as CU everybody jumps early when try to pass people inside of the circle you
mean if they OB they but it's not there used to be there sign that said it more I digress go no problem uh the next one there's no change in the crosswalk on Sunset and maple that
waiting for the weather um no change on that Kramer Court uh they submitted did uh today for the permit for the JC clean up connection for the lights so that's coming along um you have no change on the second stream cling between whale Pond
and U Mammoth Road I got to talk to Steve Higgins about that if we think we can get in there and do that so I had a person call me up saying that they saw people at in Joe POA behind
injo play can it be behind ocean Commons do they talk Ocean Plaza yeah ocean Commons no they not even close ocean Commons yeah we were there but yeah we were there
uh four months ago in that section okay so a month ago we were up all the way by Ocean Plaza by 35 back in there Ocean Plaza or ocean Commons ocean Commons is is this one up here ocean Plaza uh Wagman right oh yeah
ocean Commons yeah that's Commons that's Plaza yeah we were behind there about two weeks ago weeks okay yeah we walked out this the northern part of that when I inspected that for when they were done but you had tool you had the machine doing what it was doing well I I saw that the week after they finished it
yeah they were in there week before me I just wanted to make sure they cleared out what they said they did when I expected that but yeah they were in there we that's why I told you last meeting we found that 4T High Dam in there cuz the tree had fallen down and blocked it all there was 4ot of water stored in there may not have heard it that was when I was in the car so oh right yeah but that's that really helped
a lot cuz that drained all that so it just makes a lot more capacity good available through there a resident called and said what the hell's going on that's what I thought it was and I forgot to ask you so okay thank you no no problem um the the only other thing was the drain it and shared and we talked about
the lady who was in the meeting about two months ago Al yeah we're still trying to get a hold of the owner cuz he's not living here yet the guy in Crosby because we the te to solve the problem from his side and he's he's in the middle of putting a pool and so we think we're going to get the drainage out to Crosby which will be a much better
solution and the last thing I need to talk to you about um the gentleman from Larchwood yeah we last meeting we talked about putting the bike Lanes in and then he came back to me and said what are you doing about Spiel limit and that was never discussed if the council wants to try to lower the Spiel liit there I know the police officer Sergeant Martinez did
the speed study I haven't reviewed that yet CU I want to make sure the council wants to reduce the speed limit there and he also asked putting sidewalks in I told them we tried to put sidewalks out there when we paved that road about five six years ago and all the residents turned it down they didn't want have to pay for it so he's saying what if we get
all the residents to pay for it if he can get everybody to agree to pay for it we can throw it in a rad program in the assessment District but last time we tried to put it on the East side because it starts from Park going north it goes past that new development there there's like a little there's like a five or six lot subdivision on the north side of
archwood yeah that sidewalk cuz they did that as an offsite improve Improvement so it goes from Park to the north side of their property so it's only I think about five Lots North of that before we get to the northern border how does it got so how far does it go it goes about 700 ft north of park on the east side of
the road it goes north of Park towards the West Long Branch border yeah it just do from it just doesn't do the less 700 ft cuz those four Property Owners three of them didn't want to do sidewalk I mean not why I mean even they just
sidewalk yeah so there's the people that live there I think now would probably yeah there's definitely a need for that side yeah that's yeah can you the thing is I think he might be talking on to talk to him he may be saying that he can get the residence on the West Side to pay for it but I don't know that that
extends all the way down to park because half of the roadway sidewalk is on the east side of par right no I thought he meant the east side but I don't know but anyway we'll talk to him and see if if he could get it arranged for those owners we can easily throw it in a road program and get it done in the assessment District okay is that typical
for a uh a community to start saying they want a sidewalks in and start paying for it yeah that is and also this this larwood synagogue is right across the street so every Saturday there's tons it totally makes sense now from one
Circle down to uh Grassmere yeah generally we do it most of the time it occurs in like a high volume where kids go to bus stops and stuff for school so people have asked for that and we do generally we do one like every other year we have a special stretch of sidewalk we do and we just throw an assessment District the property owners
have no pay for it a couple of them they don't realize the guy in the middle has no kids doesn't realize it's coming he gets a letter from Jess says you got to pay for a sidewalk he says I'm not paying for a sidewalk right so but we can't do that I didn't know if you wanted to look at speed so he I think he asked Sergeant
Martinez to do a speed study I don't know she sent me the info I didn't look at it yet CU what's his current speed limit 35 it's 25 3 Mar it's 25 like for part of it right or maybe West Long Branch
like with the West Long Branch it's 25 they want iter well if the study has it lowered and they want it lowered why would we not lower it I just want I thought I was missing stud result is not in Oh I thought the study said no
it's not in let's find out what it says yeah and then let's but we yeah studies can say what you want them to but uh you know I think it probably does I think some Mar Martinez kind of indicated it said we can 85 percentile was good enough but I just
wanted to make sure you wanted me to travel in that direction I think we go off of what the professional say I mean if if Sergeant Martinez says that she can justify the uh the speed limit going down absolutely we follow what the pros
say okay because it does come down to lowering the speed is only a tenth of the problem enforcement is the 90% yeah but at least it's in the right direction is it a wide Road I can do it is it a wide road yeah well it's normal 30 ft
okay yeah it's not a very wide nobody parks on the street cuz they're much larger Lots so there's absolutely no parking in the street so and it goes to the college so people zit down the road yeah I know that believe went I was just I was just on that the other day and the guy was
with going to to a basketball game he was zipping down the thing like yeah so but that's really what it comes down to is enforcement but it does make it a ask them if they want speed HPS my arms are tired you can just put potholes in it you don't have to have spe we got three
of in the garage we got three of them sitting in the garage yeah that's why I asked let them try they might like it that's right but that's all I have for the evening did you want uh great I do have one other thing I'm sorry you want to talk
about um part of the uh thing with the D our notice violation that we're working on now is one of the things the smallest part of this thing but it's probably going to be one of the easiest things for them to find is all the council people every time you're reelected have
to watch the storm order video okay so okay I'm just do you have to have a sign for as long as we have it then Jess I'm just say I don't know if everybody's I know Jeff said he did I know you said you done it you you had watched it at the planning board level but you didn't
rewatch it again for the council level when you got reelected you have to watch it again I have to watch it again okay reelected again okay but well probably they've been they've been going to different towns around the county they're starting to go and inspect these things and those are the easy things for
them to find they look at the certifications of the DPW workers because they clean out the inlets they sweep the streets and they handle they have to have certification classes they have to take they also look at the records where those are all kept and they look at the planning board and Council people to make sure they took
this review course there's like five things they look at and that's one of them so I just want to make sure because what's happening as soon as we get done resubmitting all this stuff on no it's a violation because we've answering Everything She Wants I got a feeling she's going to be looking for something else then meaning we don't have the records we say we have you haven't made
up with us huh you haven't made up with her no there's no making up with her it's just one of those things but I just if you could possibly get those done before July 1 didn't everybody watch it we're good and they
watch they watch hey Greg the uh I know we spoke about it in the in the meeting last week the uh deal Road widening any word on that because I got to tell you something it's starting to really drive me nuts going up the old road I mean I like the whole line of cars and then
people zipping up because they don't see any cars and they just and I'm trying to be the rule follower here with the road until we get this fixed I don't want to do that cuz I'm you know I just don't want to do it but I got to tell you something it is really
it back it was backed up the other day it was backed up past Logan it was crazy yeah last I think if we could get that get that done so that we can move that traffic out I mean it's not it's it's and it's going to get worse you're talking about wiring You by Wells Fargo
okay yeah we had a meeting last Friday with the developer I did good um with their whole team their their traffic guy their design guy Jennifer Kimco myself and Colleen and uh and Ben matlack the board engineer and we discussed it we're all in full agreement what they're going to do they're they're going to what
they've done they've kind of bifurcated it out of their planning board application so they don't have to go for a major to the dot so this town's going to take on the application of submitting the world widening for the west side of that to the dot but we're they're going to pay for everything and all their
professions are going to give us the plans so that's in the works right now their traffic guys working on that good so how how much wider does it how long does it go do they want it to be wi it's really not the wiing it's the taper link that we're more concerned with and we're trying to the traffic gu said he had a
relationship with the gas station people um he's going to talk to them about giving us a little property so we can go that extra pole by the the um the banks driveway we're going to try to go to the next through the next piece of property and that's all the taper length we need but the we're going to move it probably
as much as 4T at the opening and taper it down to zero at that like 7 800 600 ft in so which is what we you know which does what so the the goal would be the right hand lane is not any no no right hand it would be right and straight
straight and left like it used to be two lanes will go and merge on the west side two lanes and it's just twice as much traffic you have left left hand you'll have two going across but the one going on the right side is to make a right turn it's got It's got to happen it's just see part of that
thing with the right hand turn you know that whole development has that road a that goes through they're not going in through there that's supposed to be the slipper thir North I so that's why they did that to us I don't know why they so two things but then if that's the case right hand
turn we're letting them break the rules legally but I mean I I see their point I mean it's it you know look if you start doing that whipping through the the complex it's not even a clean cut through there it's a yeah that's not yeah it's a little little
awkward so yeah that's it's actually it's actually amazing the number of cars though that when they're going from east to west actually stay in that Middle Lane now I do like they don't like there was that whole time when it first happened where everybody was trying to go both lanes and then at the end they
would see the sign they would see they would cross over now it's like everybody's been I know because it's much better yeah I think it's wait for the summer sorry we did a training course for people who are only here for the summer I'm telling you be in the water
don't let extra salt in the water yeah uh so two things just to cuz I didn't hear him exactly so the center lane is going to do what 35 West all right deal West straight just straight I thought I heard you say same now the right the right hand lane is going to only right hand turn now is going to be a straight
and right center Center Center straight left is left got it okay no I wasn't being I thought I heard him say left by the way I want to say on the plane board I thought that was actually something we put in for that then we can blame for that at the plane board level what
happened is their traffic engineer testified that in his opinion single Lane was more than adequate to carry the traffic along there and that was how it was approved cuz have too late board again uh follow up on that that one
didn't work immediately so follow up on that I thought I remember you saying way back when we were waiting for somebody to approve something so that road a or one or whatever you're calling it we can put the signs up because we don't have
signs there yet to do that yeah those there's nothing we're waiting on the develop and to gooss no sorry to use the urban Jug Handle yeah they have to put up signs going west found it you know you know Route 35 North right into
through the complex so that that that's up to the developer to get off his final DOT permit with them they will have to put that sign up it's on our punch list but they have those signs are missing okay but I can't force him to do it but I only told him you have to do it before you get your off your bond
okay which he is asking to get off of so that's going to come up soon thank you okay any questions for Greg yes okay and now that the firehouse is done how's the light looking well it's funny should ask why didn't you bring it up if
you you were waiting for me to bit iead um I've I talked to Maurice probably two months ago I talked to him one month ago about this was going to come up and he said we'll take care we'll take care we'll take care of it and now I got a letter from email uh yesterday from the fire um Marshall who
was located in that facility and said you have any problems I said I think from my punchless point of view you're in pretty good shape but the only thing is that light isn't done yet the left turn Lanes have not been inut for the roller Road and pop the road thing and that was promised to be done with us so
it's probably going to come down to you guys are going to decide when somebody calls you up and says I don't want to do them now I want to do them later and it's whether you want to say yes or no but I'm I'm telling them before I let those the firehouse open that he has to have that light down so I'm sorry the before or after piece I missed I don't
understand that part the political side you're going to get hit with from Maurice because he'll call you up and say can I because really the the only from my point of view the only one who can change my mind of whether I give him a c or not is is you the mayor council well respectfully we've been asking for
this for two years that's what I told him right I kind of told him like you're not going to get any sympathy there no not on this one no cuz he could have done it I and he they whomever I'm not picking on morrice but he that could have been a part of the project day one absolutely and it's there's plenty of
Correspondence that we've asked for yeah can you can you can you kind of bring me this what's the what light you talking about this is a light at the intersection of deal Road at popler and roller and the requirement is they were supposed to put a left turn lanes for popler and and roll each opposite directions that's part of their approval
and what happened was being part of the approval they could have done it any time through the approval process they came back and said they wanted to bifurcate that application into the firehouse only and the hell School revision only as a days to and the planning board allowed for that and I
said my only condition was you have to make the light Improvement part of the firehouse and they agreed now they're kind of saying they want to put it as part of the Hill L school and I said no you got to do it now and I and I told Craig Flanigan that uh yesterday and he said he would bring
it up with them because they're getting through their final negotiations to take the building over and I mean it's coming down to you know it's been like this for several months and they've known it how long does does it take to do the light a day what why a matter of getting the materials which take maybe 3 four weeks
you got to get the different head MK heads right but it's just a guy sits there for probably two hours and changed to Telemetry board to put the left turn signals in any reason to empathize for the um procrastination not my Ian you can't you can't claim weather
it's not like it's a construction thing is the guy just you don't want him out there working 20 below zero temperatures but you know the last week had been in the 50s and he could have easily done that so other than that other than that that fire the firehouse is ready to be moved into pretty much yes Min are punchless ti but they're they're pretty much looks good it looks great it's
great location perfect timing because they're done with that and we're going to PVE large so looks I me so yeah it's a perfect time because that's they that's really chewed up on that end right now so people have been calling about that and I've been telling them it's in the process to be paid this year
so good stuff okay that was it no oh okay um so the and I don't know if this is now or closed the whatas fire department the property planning board zoning board coming through us not
through us I think we told they they got to go through the regular process it's not a c that was the final word from uh Mark Lex the plan board attorney yeah so did there attorney talked to Mark they were supposed to but I have no one's gotten
back to me after that okay so we so respectfully any reason to doubt Mark no no and tosa Tulsa has been going that way too because the fire department said that their attorney who does fire
districts throughout the state that those districts do do capital projects with the town it it really comes down to a Township thing a lot of towns are kind of like you're very loose okay you so this we're consistent with this yeah we've done this with I you said to
anybody the school board you know anybody that's done any kind of major renovation has to go to the planning board we've gone to the planning board on our own things I mean we've gone there and I had to testified when we put the recycling center up that was a capital project but we testified to that was a brand new project Rob prior to us being here there may have been something
else I don't know for fact but I mean I asked the same thing you did because I I think one of the Commissioners was saying that we should be doing it that way and you know I think I even called you Dave and you're like no that's not how it rolls so okay I said I called I
called to the attorney I know he called yeah Colleen and he was going to have the two attorneys speak so y yeah they were pretty good on it that's the last I heard of it at that point okay thank you uh Greg the uh last meeting we
had Ed defiglia come in to mention about this sighting that they're using that uh they're cutting and sto the styrofoam so there's an ordinance that he that us from Mammoth Beach um about how to contain the dust and stuff is
there enough of this being spread out that it causes an issue for our streams and whatnot as as our engineer yeah this this is specifically related to I believe what I think he's talking about is when you put a stucco finish on the house and
the um Styrofoam board you use that's what he's talking about cutting the board when you cut that it Flakes a little bit it's just of nature of the material yep but I mean most of these guys it's not a site where you see this like flying all over the place right you know I I don't think it's a problem we
don't have too many people who use stuckle houses anymore most everything is with you know your Cedar compressions or vinal siding right you know that's that's like 99% of the houses that are built anymore Clapper Bo I think it's a little bit more than cuz it talks about when cutting or drilling uh AAC TRS any
fiberglass plastic polyc compound materials Plastics or wood contractors shall use a vacuum attachment on all soils when practical to minimize the release of dust contractor shall cut drill and confine spaces to keep dust levels to a minimum and facilitate ease
of cleanup contractors shall not engage in cutting or drilling activities without placing a tarp under power tools to catch debris and contaminant so and this goes on but it's more than so I'm going to ask the I'll ask the
question of Greg on on this one Greg being that Dave added all that other stuff like txx and AAC and all that other stuff do you see this as a as a major issue no as it relates to our it's a very minor amount of dust I mean to be
honest with if you're worried about something like that you have much more of a problem when people are saw cutting concrete okay I mean I don't know if you ever seen me he looks like he's got snow you mean when you're doing papers the dust house turns white yeah that that is a problem that's the health problem for
a guy doing most of the time he does a mask on always requires it but this is I mean the amount of trim that you use with ASAC is such a minor nature well and I'm even trying to trying to think about when you look around our individual neighborhoods with you know
who's actually doing work I mean I I I I mean I drive around and I don't really you you don't see there's it doesn't create a dust PL right I mean I can see if we're if we're building a brand new development we might want to do that but but even then even then it's probably
most of that stuff when you cut those types of material that stuff is a plastic that falls straight to the ground it doesn't blow anywhere so it's no different than you know it stays where it is and most likely it's going to be permanently there I mean if it rains or super windy it could blow down
the street a little bit but it's not something that floats away like dust he after you know you and I spoke about it after the meeting uh two weeks ago and now that you're filling us in a little more I mean at first I thought maybe it's not a bad idea but the contractors
will go they they they'll never want to do any work here in town I mean if you think about it we already have a reputation of being a hard town as it is I don't think we need to become more and if you think about it imagine a guy
building a new house from the foundation cutting all the wood yeah far has far more dust and you know and and soft cut know the byproduct coming off of that and from these things and like you said The Cutting of the stone I mean I you
know did the pavers last year and it was all over the place so are we saying what Ed so was like an anomaly or what precipitated anomaly you know like didn't he get he got P I don't know environmental so all environmental
commissions they all talk and this is the right this is the trend right now and I think I think you have a far worst problem with concretes paper Stones yeah and even bu the wood I mean that that's not even Airborne either the dust you're
sawing off the wood and it it doesn't travel that saw dust sits right there the but the instance he saw you basically basically think was more of an anomaly right most people don't the Styrofoam board is he only he was only talking that about one house that he saw what was going
on someone house yeah so I guess if it's one data point for something like that then okay yeah because to make everybody do that for the guy that might be yeah yeah if it's if it's an anomaly right right um so we're Whispering over here
but is there a compromise instead of putting shall in here provide this as guidance oh the so we're not policing it the problem I would have with it is exactly what I say you know if you're going to go out and monitor that I don't know that we
monitor if we put it as a recommendation but if you're going to have then you really should add in when you're saw cut concrete paper stones and the things that are really need I don't think we need a res or an ordinance for that do we I don't think we need an ordinance for that I mean unless we're going to police it cuz that's going to be the
problem get I totally get your point why aren't you enforcing that we don't enforce it we just put it out also if you did something which was reasonably prudent for the time then you have a subjective part right and then you're kind of adjudicating reasonably
prudent slow got it either do is we tell the environmental commission we'll monitor it over the next year or two and we'll actually I'll get my inspectors keep an eye at how many stuckle houses are going in MH and then we'll be able to keep an eye but I mean I can tell you you you know yourself driving around
town have you ever seen stuckle flying around and sitting in a gutter line going into an inland it's it's just not in in defense of the rest of this the tracks having cut tracks that goes all over the place too and not not John's right on the the Brick the brick is the
worst brick and concrete I mean that's just and even concrete pipe in a construction project you when the pipe needs to be cut that's the dust you know it's it's those are more of a problem L Greg
thanks environment yes oh yeah Jeff you can make a report please at the environmental commission and report back on the 27th ofch have you seen some of Kelly's reports yet no well I think what we should do is
probably have a tutorial with Kelly and see if you I going to need like uh what's the thing Rosetta Stone to understand you some of those so that you can follow the same we would appreciate you
follow thanks um you know Kelly did have a sest we'll go around the table there's a couple of things I think we want to hit in do we have anything uh yeah well I was going to talk about the ordinance which you already took care of and I've got Tom here who wants to uh make a
quick presentation about the I didn't even see see him sneak in yeah he's been here waiting so just so you know um one of my responsibilities OEM director is to do the EOP updates every year uh when when
they're required uh the Emergency Operations plan for those who may not be too familiar is a plan that every town is required to have it consists of a basic plan as well as a set of annexes which uh you know fire rescue EMS Public
Works Recreation uh not Recreation Sheltering and a whole bunch of things um the just so you know the um EOP is not her op world opr if that's a that's a word you cannot get it to be an Oprah it
is a protected document under the under Homeland Security the reason I'm bringing this up is because it used to be that you used to update your your uh your EOP every four years now you get to do it every two years I guess somebody in the state decided that they didn't have anything enough to do so uh we have
to update every two years you will see in your resolutions tonight that we're approving the EOP uh all the responsible local as well as County agencies have reviewed their portions and signed off as well as Dave and I um working on U
normally this would be a pretty quick exercise where you just go through and review and make sure nothing changes of course we've had a couple of significant changes over the last two years one of which being a radio system upgrade and going to Medstar so had to go through
and remove all you know references to hookers didn't want to master the EMS put in medar and make sure that's all all in place um so we're going to re we're going to I've asked you to pass that resolution ton along with the mutual a resolution that's required to
go along with that the reason I'm here just alerting you is that one of the things they're doing is moving to a new template uh the company that they've uh uh the C this state is doing it for us through a contract with a with a with a
um third party they are working now on updating our EOP to the new template which is great problem is is that we want to make sure that we are in compliance on April 28th when we are our EOP is due so that's why we're going
through the old way of doing it making sure that we are in compliance and working with the company at the same time providing them the updates as we go and then I might come back to you depending on what the state tells me I have to do I might come back to you in
April or May and say hey I've got a new EOP we've got to review uh renew so I just wanted to give you an update in case anybody asks you um you know it's good for you to know um I also was talking to Dave about possibly doing a
class on um Nims which is National Incident Management System for uh elected officials it's a FEMA class which I can give and I thought would be good for you guys to you know Le sit through and uh that's it thank you that was cool thank you than
thanks uh we'll go to the table there let's start off with Rob uh I have one for closed because I'm not sure if I should bring it here so I'll bring it in closed and C say I can do it in public or we'll do it next time um so I talked to Dave before um the meeting and two
pet peeves um quality of life issues if you will parking on lawns uh I don't know if you've seen it probably not as much on your side definitely not on your side but I can tell you for manur perspective everybody is parking on their Lots so um I asked Dave and I saw
tra yeah Tracy's going to take care of it um also not a pet peeve but I have noticed a lot more of them um we have an ordinance that says you can't put Flags like the polls flags with the publicity things for Grand open and things like
that they are popping up if you haven't noticed now that I mentioned it you'll probably see a lot of them also code um they are not allowed either so the guy front of my pizza place had it up never took it down yep yep there's one there now in that it may not be the pizza one
but there's one out front on on um West Park right so that's considered a sign an additional sign they have to take them down y they can't right correct um and so I'll send an email to to uh Tracy and she wanted pictures too so I'll get
pictures uh the other one's for close session and we'll see what it where it goes okay G I'm good Jeffrey he's got a book so you did read Kelly's emails we have a
page page which happens to be in a book see all um I guess downstairs I'll talk a little bit more but we had a uh Environmental uh committee meeting uh yesterday it was about um or a couple days ago about a contest that the uh
that the environmental Community is going to run so we're going to kind of talk about that it's designed for kids to kind of help uh um help educate the rest of the community on what's recyclable was not recyclable so we're going to run that kind of thing um the green Fest is going to be May 4th so I'm going to kind of talk about that for a
second um the other is um we had some meetings around the economic uh development committee so we are putting those things in place um we had a a little discussion with myself uh Dave and and John and uh I'm going to be the chairperson Rob's going to be the vice
chairperson and we started uh we're going to start a process here and I'm going to talk a little bit about it downstairs uh but not in much detail I think the uh the gist of it Rob just so you know um with the study that was done on 35 and like I keep you know hitting
the drum on this thing with Netflix um seriously as you're driving and Jeff did it with his wife last week uh look I ball the highway up really look at you know take some time to even
pull into some of the some of the shopping centers the areas you were going to say something else no um and look to see I mean even and I have to say it you know shockingly the one motel by the Renaissance that
they clean that old front up even just by cleaning it up it looks better I'm not saying that they hit they didn't hit a you know they might have hit a base hit but it looks a lot better just by cleaning it up I mean there's different things that we can do as a
council uh you know facade grants uh you know just different things that we can do so I mean really and not just the two of you but I think the entire Council should be looking to see what you think we can do to improve Pro this community
and make that Corridor really shine because you know there are people that are going to come down here from Netflix so yeah so Rob uh I'm going to be away next week but the week after I thought you next week yeah me you would meet because we talked about like three or four things we wanted to accomplish in
addition to the 35 thing but it all kind of duve tailes into into some stuff right and then also uh getting the chamber kind of involved absolutely in how to be involved I can work both hat if you want no be great yeah yeah that'd be perfect cuz they do want to get more involved so so the thing that we're waiting for first is really this uh
study by the topology group yeah and waiting for that to come in once we get that we can start getting our heads around you know certain things and certain people who want to involve and and that stuff okay I think that report's going to be uh really an eye
opener for you also I mean I literally he had a draft I just skimmed a few pages and um just in what I saw in the it was amazing what they pointed out and I literally I'm not getting I just literally flip through a few pages and
what they pointed out is exactly what I've noticed with the corridor I mean being you know we've got a we've got some issues there that we need to address and I think that we're in a great position right now to do it uh being proactive about it yep
yep that was all ahead okay uh I got a couple things uh Dave I've mentioned this multiple times and I really I I'm very adamant on this we've got to get some sort of nixel oh it's in work that's active because I I'll tell you
I'm getting my information from Neptune interl deal I don't get nixel it works I met with the chief and Tracy we called nixel the problem now is to hang up with nixel we only have one account that's already with the police department so
we're trying to get the work around so that my office can can have access to nixel and then we but even even with them though when there's uh traffic stuff or there's you know storm things or it's all going to come out of my
office just your yeah but in the meantime we used to have a pretty good nixel yeah police put put things out there there's no one not on I don't get a text from us anymore there's no one from the police department dedicated to it at this time so it's been just an FYI
it's been years yeah I believe so I I mean since I've been here talking about it we yeah we need to get with the times with the I mean especially when the smaller towns are doing it and and we're not you know I get it they they don't they don't have
they're not as busy as we are I get it I understand that but um after the last council meeting I related to everybody everybody's working with Y um Rob mentioned in the last uh well several meetings ago about we had talked about
uh the lineup of the meeting and uh work session public session uh close session so we had made some we had started some discussions on trying to maybe reverse them because a lot of times we don't
have a lot in closed session and you know for example we'll we'll be done pretty early today and we're going to sit around for an hour y waiting for the 7 o'cl meeting so uh let me ask you Kevin you're in you know two other towns here they're close
I know Asbury does theirs because they're always doing Asbury is unusual yeah because they always have those major Redevelopment projects there there's is I can't compare us to Asbury but tin and Falls when do they do their close they at the end uh um tin and
Falls has closed probably once a quarter I'd say they don't have a lot of closed sessions wow um and when they do it it's typically before they'll start an hour before their meetings are at 7:30 they'll start at 6:30 for their Clos session but they'll schedule that on an
as needed basis and they don't do they don't do a workshop like you do they just have their discussions in the when do they do their discussions they have in the public the public session and and they they have you know so they don't
have a work session close I mean because honestly they just have a public session that's it now um how many times can the public speak same as you after do they speak well they don't have work session so they can't they don't have a work session speak at corre it's just public
session right resolutions ordinances on second reading and then a general public session right they occasionally I shouldn't say they never have one they probably a public a work workshop maybe once a year maybe twice a year uh if there's just issues like when they were discussing their they cannabis ordinance
they said let's do a workshop and have a discussion a free free flowing discussion about that um maybe twice a year they'll do a workshop and then four or five so they don't do they don't do an agenda review or anything like that no that's done that that's done by the I
mean they're they're a mayor council form of government but they do that with the council president the mayor Clerk and the ba set the agenda generally in a separate session but just them not not with public right and then their Council
reviews the agenda then I mean I know Rob meets with Dave weekly so he goes over yeah I'll tell you my view I I think this Workshop is really productive I mean I think it's a good thing to have I'm not saying get rid of the work session what I'm saying is we have a problem with the Clos session yeah you don't I I would say I wouldn't advise
just regularly having a closed session on every week because frankly I don't I don't think you need it every week um most towns don't have it every meeting they'll have you know sometimes they'll have it every couple meetings sometimes like ttin Falls once a quarter really it's you know you know as Personnel or
or litigation issues come up they have to have executive session you have to have it you schedule it as needed hey we got something do we have every every we don't I'm sorry to interrupt you we don't schedule it it's it's on there it's just been on the agenda for yeah
that's what I mean so it is there's no time it we just go in when we go in so there's no advertising per se there's no we're not starting executive session I mean we traditionally started around 6 maybe
what I'm saying is you don't you don't need an executive session based on what I'm seeing put on your agenda for every meeting right because a lot of times there's just not something that's going to go in that right I'm agree with you so what I would say you do is I would
change this to not have an executive session on your agenda and then typically the you marrow a week before hey do we have anything for exec if we do put it on maybe you build in after building but whatever whenever you want to I'm almost thinking we should maybe
start the the public session earlier and if we need the close session we do it at the end like I know Asbury Boe I don't know how your boes do it but I know I don't know how you guys did it but asber Boe does the closed at the end and they
always make the announcement we may take action I mean you always do that that's every town I've been up North D I'm almost of the opinion that we do it at the look this is just me talking I mean we've got five of us so workshop and I I
would almost say we do the work session at 5: like we're doing and have the public session scheduled for six I like that however sometimes the work session does go so it doesn't matter for I think a little late yeah I mean we can't start early start early but we can start 10
minutes later if we have and I also might make the suggestion that we only have the public comment twice downstairs we save this for the reports what we're doing and if anybody has a presentation like we could do like the board of bed and just have one
now sorry well I I mean that was tongue and J no I and I'm not adverse to that I'm saying we maybe wean them off at this point the the work session there's probably no point I don't know any group that does public comment in a work session because basically what we're
doing up here is what you're doing down there it's a single meeting so you're really the only legal requirement is you're supposed to have you have to have a public portion at every meeting but this is one meeting so so we actually do three we do one here we do two down
there so comment you don't mean comment you mean beating no he said public comment comment public com comment com Yeah Yeah by law you have to have by law you have to I don't have a problem having the I mean look I mean you I mean what's the
difference if you have one for the resolutions and what you want to bring up I mean it's you know instead of having it both times I mean I I think you're right the board did go to that didn't they not yet oh maybe last night now I think next
month I think they voted on what's today Tuesday night I'm sorry today Thursday I I didn't check to see well the very least I think we streamline the meetings and the work s the way we're doing it and maybe change the public session to
six and if we need the the closed session and we do it at the end I mean or or you can go we can do something where it goes 5 to 6 have have a executive session 600 to 6:30 have a regular session at 6:30 and but if we
don't need the executive session that's what we're trying to get we're trying to get so I think we're better off doing it at the end if needed I like it I like that so two questions Sunshine Law from an advertising perspective so we keep and I never noticed it was on there but
if it's on there your comment was if we find out we needed in a week in advance do we need to publicize that we're having an executive session in advance through the newspapers and whatever other ways we do it well why don't we just leave it the way it is and do the the have always have an
ex yeah a lot of towns will put on Executive session if needed okay got it okay and we'll be downstairs to vote going in the Clos session so that's the case if we don't vote to go on close session we're leaving mhm got it okay so it kind of covers Us one point I think
it may I might be reiterating what you said but once you go in executive session you have to act you got to let everybody know because you got to go back in public vote can't vote out an executive if you vote we have to go back out if you vote sometimes just close it and you leave yeah I I us tell you try
if there's people out you say we're going to Executive session we have a right to take action but we think it's unlikely we will so people aren't sit you don't sit around for an hour cuz a lot of times you know going in we're not going to do we're not going do anything coming out it's just you know never really voted second question we've never
come out of on anything I don't think we've ever come it's pretty rare was I don't ever remember J don't jinx we haven't voted take a I mean straw pole or something but yeah not an official vote not that I can remember
but it's rare unless there's like an emergency or legal action has to be Ved so you want to set this for like July or I mean or sooner or one one comment if I may so totally in favor of the the concept love it think it's great think
it'll be more productive think it frankly give us a little bit more freedom um but out of respect for the residents is 6 o00 too early you think six is too early I you know what if they really want to come though people come at 5 when they want
to yeah I don't think 6 is too early I mean just throwing it out there I feel like they'll like it better that they for the people that want to come to both they don't have that hour in between they would have to come here 5:30 to 6:30 workshop and then 6:30 that's where I was going you that's where I instead of five
started at 5:30 keep it the same hour and then go 5:30 I said whatever the pleasure is of D B I'll be here throwing it out there I just think it's probably more for people that are working that want to get right it doesn't uh I'm I'm good either way totally flexible one the
time I don't care let's do 5:30 and 6:30 yeah I don't know why we going to wait till July how why can't the next meeting be that way oh we can't I mean we can I don't care no I mean is there is there a rule
I mean sooner the better no no ad all but um you could do it for the next meeting you can do anytime you want yeah okay and we're canceling the March 13th meeting so that would be the next meeting next meeting meeting you want
start the March 27th that' give us a up to advertise sure yeah we'll get it out on the Y all everybody who has their calendar set for yeah they're individual you can't do a repeat on those I have my calendar till the end of the year yeah
that's a pain but it is what it is I like it yeah personally 5:30 is better for me too sometimes you have to rush out of St agreed let's go 5:30 to 6:30 and if need be we go into eats before yeah I sa money too no you save money
right we go out after too early man it'll be like being with my mother again 5:00 man that that'll always went off remember the Seinfeld episode we met before exactly sick any any other comments um so we'll motion go to close
yeah motion to go to close session second second all in favor all right oh really okay just want to remind everybody out in the audience that all of our regular Township Council meetings will be audio and videotape they'll be shown on the town TR of oceans Community
cable channel channel 22 on Verizon FiOS and channel 77 on cable vision can I have a roll call please mayor Nani here council members the Cher here kapan here Weinstein here please stand as we pledge allegiance and remain standing as we do
a silent prayer I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all please remain standing you may be
seated the notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster posted in town hall filed in the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd 2025 there are two emergency exits to my
right that'll take you to the front of the building and one to my left that'll take you to the rear of the building please make sure that your cell phones are turned off and if you need to make a call kindly step outside uh I'm going to start with Council comments at the end let's start with councilman
Weinstein um yes thanks uh uh mayor um I have a couple of things one is uh the environmental committee met the uh other day at a special meeting there's going to be a competition um for uh School aged kids to give some video presentation of um how to recycle so
look for that over the next couple of weeks and learn about that the green Fest is going to be May 4th and you'll see some information about that um we're having uh an envir an economic development committee uh formed myself I'm going to be the chairman and uh uh
Rob is going to be Vice chairman and we're looking forward to uh uh to working hand inand with everybody on the council and the community to figure out a bunch of things on um from Route 35 to other things that are going to be on our agenda so we'll talk more about that in
the weeks to come thank you councilman councilwoman Kaplan no comments tonight thank you wow all right councilman I have one Mr Mayor uh the greater Ocean Township Chamber of Commerce is having their annual Awards luncheon on March
the8 18 uh we in addition to honoring the scholarship winners which will be announced if you've applied you should be hearing hopefully from me tomorrow uh but we have uh a handful of community Awards if I may Mr Mayor uh Community Ambassador uh our former deputy mayor
and now assembly woman Dr Margie donin Lifetime Achievement Award to Hayes from the New Jersey natural gas uh organization economic impact award mauce carrier for Paramount reality longevity award the township of ocean Historical Museum education Ambassador Denise PR
armis for her 22 years serving on the board of education unsung heroes we have uh Chief Brian pton and fire inspector Nick Simmons and finally the Legacy award for the Chamber of Commerce Frank Feliz who was a founding member uh tickets are available at the greater
Ocean Township Chamber of Commerce website thank you Mr Mayor thank you councilman Dave thanks mayor but I'm going to follow the councilwoman's lead and no comment beautiful I just want to let everybody know that uh we will be changing our meeting structure on the
March 27th meeting being that our meeting for March 13th is cancelled due to a St Patrick's Day celebration uh and of course everybody's invited please contact Jen Nordstrom our new council meeting structure will be we'll be starting our work session at
5:30 and the Open Session will now be at 6:30 so that's where people can come at 6:30 so that they can make their comments and the council will be having a special meeting on March 8th 18th to discuss the proposed new town hall that
will be held here in the municipal Hall uh we will be giving a uh detailed report that will be given by our uh Engineers our planners um and everybody that's involved with the planning process we haven't gone over the structure yet but that will be uh coming
up within the next week or two that we will discuss and see how that process goes so if if you're interested please March 18th we will have that discussion here in town hall um so now let's get into the purpose of the public portion is to solely ask questions to understand
resolutions that appear on the agenda is not an occasion for a public hearing on an ordinance all questions not related to an item on this agenda should be asked during the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting are there any questions as it relates to the consent agenda please stand up to the
microphone state your name and address for the record seeing here none do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved second second roll call theera yes kapan yes Weinstein
yesy yes individual actions vouchers in the amount of 7 million $353,900 option ordinance 2494 which is an ordinance establishing a cap bank for the year 2025 in accordance with njsa 4A col 4-
4514 someone please open public portion on ordinance 2494 I'll move to open the public hearing on ordinance 2494 second I'll second roll call aera yes CER yes Weinstein
yes yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2494 please St step up to the microphone state your name and address seeing he none do I have a motion to close public for public comment on ordinance 2494 I'll move to close public comment
on ordinance 2494 second second roll call aera yes cin yes wiste yes nean yes action on ordinance 24 94 I'll move to
uh approve approve ordinance 24 94 and publish according to the law second I'll second roll call aera yes Chaplan yes Weinstein yes nean yes that ordinance passes ordinance 24 95 which is in ordinance amending chapter 5 the revised General ordinances the township votion
1965 entitled licenses subsection 5-16 cannabis business licenses someone please open public portion on ordinance 2495 I move to open the public portion on ordinance 2495 second I'll second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein
yes napan yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2495 step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing here none do I have a motion to close public comment on ordinance 2495 I move to close public
comments on ordinance 2495 second I'll second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes NE yes action on ordinance 2495 I'll move to adopt ordinance number 2495 and publish according to law second I'll
second roll call a CH no Kaplan yes Weinstein yes nepan yes ordinance 2495 passes ordinance 2496 and ordinance amending and supplementing chapter which ones it should be 12 12 chapter 12 the revised General ordinances of the
township of ocean 1965 entitled parks and playground subsection 16-55 fees associated with the work off facility someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2496 I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2496
second I'll second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes naani yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2496 please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing here none do I have any motion to close public comment on
ordinance 2496 I move to close public comment on ordinance 24 96 second H second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes n yes ordinance 2496 passes ordinance 2497 in ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 10 of
the revised General ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled regulations for handling garbage recyclables vegetative waste and bulk trash subsection 10-3 garbage someone please open public comment on ordinance 2497 I'd like to move to open public
comment on ordinance 24 497 second I'll second roll call Aer yes yesin yes yes anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2497 please step up to the microphone state your name and address for the record seeing he none do I have a motion
to close public comment on ordinance 2497 I move to close public comment on ordinance 2497 second I'll second roll call a Cher yes K yes Weinstein yes nean yes action on ordinance 2497
I'd like to move to adopt ordinance 2497 and publish according to law second I'll second roll call aera yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes nean yes uh introductions to ordinance 2498 which is an ordinance amending and
supplementing ordinance number 2343 entitled an ordinance amending the revised General ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 relating to Personnel policies practices and procedures someone please introduce ordinance 2498 I'll move to introduce ordinance 2498 second I'll second roll
call aera yes kapan yes winstein yes na yes that ordinance will be have have its hearing on the 27th of March ordinance 2499 which is an ordinance amending chapters uh 14 of the revised General ordinances of the township of ocean 1965
entitled swimming pools subsection 14-10 point3 membership someone please introduce ordinance 2499 I'm move to introduce ordinance $24.99 second I'll second roll call aera yes tapman yes Weinstein yes nean yes that too will
have its public hearing on the 27th of March and ordinance 2500 which is an ordinance amending chapter 10 of the revised General ordinances of the Town devotion 1965 entitled traffic D section-1 12-4 oneway streets someone please
introduce ordinance 2500 I move to introduce ordinance 2500 second second roll call Aer yes kapan yes Weinstein yes yes that too will have its public hearing on the 27th of March public comment section's open anyone wishing to
be heard seeing hear none do I have a motion to adjourn so move second I'll second all in favor I meeting adjourned thank you have a great night a second
oh I don't know why I