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Okay, let's just remind everybody that all council needs audio on video tape. It'll be shown in the township provotions community cable channel 22 on Verizon fios and channel 77 on cable. >> Roll call, please. >> Did you sign?

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>> Yeah. Does it matter or should I sign by you? >> I'm sorry. Here we >> council members of chair. here. >> Kaplan >> here and television. >> Yeah, he's here. >> The notes requirements of the open public meetings after the meeting have been satisfied. A copy annual notice was

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sent to the Aspbury Park Press and Coastal Post and Town Hall filed in the office of municipal clerk on December 18th, 2025. Uh so we are going to start off with various tach matter. We'll start off with tent managers. >> Yeah,

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>> David Brown. >> Thank you, mayor. >> Yes, sir. Council, how's everyone this evening? Outstanding. You. >> So, I handed each one of you a glimpse of this huge colorful document that we

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received from Premier Community Sign. Uh they're soliciting the township to use these community signs in place of where we already have some of our signs. The first page you will see there are four proposed locations. And and this is not

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we don't have to discuss this tonight. I'm just giving you an overview. and you can you can absorb it. But they got four locations. All locations are on on our state highways. Uh whether it be 66, 18 or 35. And then I gave you their proposed

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concept of what it would look like the next four pages. And then I did a little quick calculations for at least terms for for one to five years because this would be revenue generating. uh we would get gain about 75,000 a year uh in the

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first five years uh for the four different locations. >> So I'm meeting with the CFO later to crunch some numbers and take a look at the lease. And we also have to figure out administratively how we um procure them. Uh because I'm not sure if they're on a state contract cooperative. Um we

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will probably have to um do some sort of uh bidding process. Where where else are these in the state or Mammoth County? >> Um, good question. I don't recall, but I do I do recall them saying they're in the I don't think they have they have

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one. I think it's Edison or Woodbridge area. Uh, and it might be in this overall document. I'm going to try to email this document. This document is colorful and I didn't want to kill a bunch of trees. But, um, this is the same company I think uh, Tom. This is

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like 42 43 pages. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> But um I'll send it around. But they they are in another mun. I think it's Woodbridge I want to say or East Brunswick. East Brunswick maybe. And some of some of the situations in here are

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uh pictures of that municipality in this document. The next thing um topic is uh the C4 zone. Colleen came before you at the last meeting. She was looking for suggestions and recommendations for the

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C4. We really need to close this out and get back to um Isaac Mazerie and and C view square and >> I sent an email to you today, Dave. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I'm clear. We got Councilwoman Da, we got the

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mayor, um Deed, Robin, Jude, Grace, and Dave Fischer. uh if you're going to weigh in because we're trying to close this out by tomorrow and get back to a draft uh to to um those who are are proposing

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this changes. >> So I know you gave it to us on in hard copy. Do we have it electronically? >> You should have got it from Colleen, not me. >> I think there is an email that I responded to one that was on a chain. I don't know if it's I don't even

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>> I don't know if it had >> I don't even know who's on it. I I it says I think the title C4 C-4 >> is the subject. >> So Dave, if we could just get that email reforwarded out to uh >> I'll do that cuz um and then >> if you could respond, you know,

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>> I'll see but I I don't know if I have the um >> I may have it from the last meeting. A hard copy from the last meeting. >> You can send it then because I don't recall what the original document. I just have Gita's response to Colleen and Greg. I think I have a copy from the last meeting.

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>> Okay. >> I read what Kea's um recommendations were. The only thing I added was I didn't have a problem with a freestanding car wash uh which was one of the items in there. And I I do prefer

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what Greg said was pad sites for certain, you know, things that would be added over there because they have the property to do it. >> Yeah. Greg made I think some recommendations if I'm not mistaken. >> Yeah. And just quickly it was more like

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a discussion was over medical offices. They want the car wash, the food fast food, auto service center, data center, battery storage, warehouse, self storage, health or sports cars. So those were kind of the decisions that the council needed to weigh in on either yay

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or nay if you want to see those things in that zone. >> And refresh my memory. So at that point, what happens? It goes to the planning board. >> Yeah. Once um once once Colleen has it set, I think we're going to talk to um those who are proposing this and take a

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look at that and then it'll it'll ultimately go to the planning board and then come here for approval. >> So there are proposals on the table for these. >> Yeah, this this is how this originated in community development. There there was an ask to take a look at this zone

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to include some of these items, >> right? >> So now community development synthesized it is coming to the council say what does the council want to see? Then we go back to the proposer and then it should go to the planning. >> Well, the proposer is Isaac. There's he

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doesn't have what I'm saying is he's not been approached by anybody for any of these. >> Oh, I don't know. I don't know. He he might have been. And that's my why he might be asking for it. >> What's that last? >> Right. Did we get an answer on that? >> I can get an answer on it.

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>> So, do we talk about this right now or do we have to send you an email? >> No, no, no. Send Colleen an email so she can encapsulate everybody's comments so that we can then finalize our draft. >> Okay. >> And then we can get back >> because I thought last time we got rid

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of the data center. Like no one wanted that. >> Okay. >> Well, I don't think we did. >> We didn't. I think we had a conversation. I don't know that I'm against it. >> I think uh didn't you re didn't you say >> I said I didn't I don't cuz Greg had said

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>> I concurred with Yeah. So there's really there's three of us off the bat that are >> Yeah. >> You know, >> but we also asked Well, I did about the child activities like what that was because >> my idea might be different than their idea. >> Yeah. I would send her an email and

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we'll bring all that in and Colleen's email and then she'll get all these answers that you guys are looking for. Okay. >> And and I would suggest you do the same with >> Yeah, that's fine. I don't see an email from Colleen regarding that. So, if somebody can forward something, that would be awesome. >> I think it was just paper. >> Yeah,

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>> she handed that paper. >> It was in paper, >> right? Guys, if you can email that out tomorrow, that would be helpful. And then we'll get this trying to get this closed out. >> I picked it up today and I forgot what it was cuz I love this stuff. >> Um, Ocean Glades update.

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We got an update back from ARH, who is our engineers on on the site, our LSRPs. >> Oh, I have it. >> And we got an exhibit, and I'm going to email this out to you tomorrow morning, but we got an exhibit with the

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anticipated 150 foot and 50 foot wetlands buffers. Okay. Uh, which will um be in line with the letter of intent, which is still pending final review. and they have generated a preliminary exhibit for your review which is what

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I'll send in the attachment so you can see but it finally gives us some sort of clear delineation of what's wetlands and what could be usable for a development project at that site. >> Can you just give an idea where that's

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located? >> Oh, Cindy Lane. >> Okay. >> In the back corner of Cindy Lane, right next right adjacent to the affordable housing units back there. Okay, >> thank you. >> And then last but not least, drum roll

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please. >> We have received the Ocean Township Municipal Tree Plan. >> That was on my list. >> So, I will be sending that out. I I had a meeting um with Patty from the Shade Tree who sent it around on behalf of

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Norm and the rest of the Shade Tree Commission. So, I have that and I'll send that around and a lot of this Patty and I think we can get some grant funding to go around some of these plantings and obviously this body here has to approve the location. So, I just

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wanted to kind of touch on it today. We'll talk more in depth in the July meeting. >> Are we going to invite Patty to answer questions? >> Um, yeah, we could do that for the next >> She'd be willing to because I did speak to her about it.

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>> That's great. Happy I have for this evening other than the close session item before round. We got some time. Uh start off with Rob. >> I got a long list. So if we can get through it. >> So do I. I got

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>> So Dave, I neglected to ask this. Well, you know what? Let me tell you one thing. So some I don't know how it started. Oh, I do. Somebody sent a um message to me asking if we ever considered having seniors, citizens,

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give messages to seniors before they graduate. I forgot what town was it. Um so I reached out to Jen. I reached out to Kelly. I reached out to Mark Rudolph. I talked to Dave obviously first and um they were all on board with this. So Jen

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was obviously away for 10 days. So we kind of lost some time. So, it seems that they're on board with our senior citizens doing a 15 or 30 second message to the seniors that are graduating, >> wishing them good luck. Here's what I

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would recommend or you know what what advice do you have for a senior graduating in 30 seconds. >> Thank you. >> So, John was going to or Mark was going to put an email out to all the seniors asking if they were interested. They were going to do video Thursday and Friday of next week. John Clink was

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going to do it, compile it, send it off to Kelly, post it on YouTube or send a link to the seniors if they still had their computers. And if not, if we all agree, we could post it on our share our SharePoint, excuse me, our Facebook

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page, and Kelly would share it um to to the seniors that way on their page. So, it's all about timing. >> Superintendent >> Kelly Weldon. Yeah. Yes. So the um lost my train of thought. The um the plan would be a lot bigger and

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broader with more time um that they would do it in their production studios at the high school. They would invite seniors in. They would do it over a course of a couple of months, compile it, put a nice podcast together, formal. No time for any of that. So for a first year, Kelly and Jen seem to agree on

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that. So we'll see where it goes. It could be five seniors. I'd love it to be 50, but Mark is gonna run with it with Jen and Kelly. >> Okay, >> that's great. >> So, yeah, I thought it was I can't remember who who Thank you. Very good. Yes. Sorry, Tiffany, if you're watching.

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I missed that. >> She has some great ideas. She really does. >> Yeah. So, um uh Okay. Uh going way back. >> This is the second item. >> Yeah, second item. So, I know we've

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asked for this numerous times and I know we it's hard, but can we try to do old business on our agendas >> for all the topics that keep coming up that don't get decided on? >> You mean like posted on >> like on the agenda old business? We

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still >> in workshop? >> I Yeah, it would have to be workshop. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, we've discussed that numerous times. I think we all have agreed so that we can make a decision and somebody comes to Dave and says what the council say and respectfully Dave's got to say

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we don't have a decision >> right >> so I4 >> there you go >> perfect example um update on 1515 Logan um on schedule for July 9th for the uh

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>> July 9th yeah >> July 9th okay so it's being out all the paperwork's in we're good D blessings legal documents. >> There might be one outstanding D document, but it doesn't prohibit us from going to auction. >> And then the final the final subdivision

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isn't done yet. That's intentional. We're going to >> go back to the planning board for that. You and I have discussed that kind of casually. >> Yeah. But other than that, it's in the auctioneer's hands. He's doing what he does. He's blasting it out. >> Okay, cool. Um, that's not going to happen. Orchard your

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plaza we're doing that. Okay. Um are we going to spend some time coming up with the process for decisions on the combined board? Who is going to be selected? How we are interviewing? How we're rating the resumeumés? >> How many résumés did we receive?

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>> 15. Uh 20. I'm sorry. >> Holy crap. >> Terrific. >> But that's new and that's current and new. That's no just I had four that were already on the board and then 16 that weren't. >> It's terrific. >> So the the other people that are on

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aren't reapplying. >> I guess so. >> Now I sent an email to Dave. I wasn't for them reapplying and Fischer agreed and so did Kaplan. I mean I I feel that we appointed these people, four of us. I'm not going to have them reapply. >> So

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>> there's resumes somewhere though. You have to get a resume when you apply. >> That's fine. But they've been on the boards now for a few years. We all We've reappoint We've appointed these people. I'm not for That's my opinion. Um

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>> Hold on. Yeah. How did you respectfully How did you make that decision without consulting the entire council? >> I'm not con there. Listen to me. You want to talk about it? We can talk about it, but I'm not for that. >> It's too late now. But it's your opinion. The deadlines passed already.

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But when I sent an email to Dave, I had already spoken separately and I had said I'm not for them reapplying. I I was getting calls, >> but this is a council decision. >> I understand that. But I was getting calls from existing members that were really lighting into me about the process and reapplying for a board seat

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that they're already on. >> I thought we were the Hold on. They're not already on a board because the board's been dissolved. >> Well, they were on the boards and to start fresh with a brand new board is a big mistake for the town. But we're not but we're not starting we are starting with a new board because we have to

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>> with existing people that are on there. That's look if you want to review all the resumes there they are right there. You guys >> they're not the current members >> then you can ask the other people for >> but you already stopped that >> I get their resume. Well my

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understanding was that we were filling the spots for the empty spots that >> that was never disclosed. >> No absolutely not. It's brand new board. Every position is wide open >> and that's why we consistently ask for a process >> and it's been delayed, delayed, delayed.

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>> Are you not happy with the current people? >> I'm not happy with the process. >> No, no. Are you not happy with the current members that are on these existing boards that >> That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking is, are there more qualified people that have not applied? >> Well, I'm just curious. Are we not happy

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with the existing board members that are currently on the board now on the boards? Now, >> I'm I'm happy with the ones we've appointed because we've appointed them. >> I'd like to say something. >> I wasn't happy with them. We wouldn't have appointed them.

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>> Having said that, we don't have I so I don't attend planning board or zoning board meetings, so I don't know what they do. I certainly could watch them, but who's I hate to say that's a lot of time to watch. >> It is. But there's we put out a qualification list. We've never asked

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them for their qualifications. Frankly, we may have rubber stamped a couple. I get it. I'm guilty of if that's the case. But we have an opport not an opportunity, we have an obligation because we have an entirely new board, not to push these people through, but to

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consider everybody that has been asked to apply. >> Correct. I I would like to say something. Is that okay? So I asked for attendance, didn't receive it. So I went and made my own attendance. Off of every single meeting, all 39 meetings except six of them are

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not online. And of the 39 meetings, only 10 meeting minutes from the land use boards, both zoning and for the last year and a half, are actually on there. So I spent the entire weekend going through as much as I could because it's a lot. And the attendance

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for a lot of the people that are being recommended are less than 75%. They're less 61 61 66 64 and sadly I mean I hate to call you out

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but you're 50%. >> Well I'm being I'm told when my presence is not necessary for a vote. So I only go when they tell me to go. >> But why is that? I mean, why would they just tell you that we need you for >> for a planning board meeting? I don't know if you've looked at the agendas for the planning board meetings. A lot of

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times there's nothing on there, >> but you're still I mean I went to all of them, >> you know, maybe two that I missed in 18 months. Okay. >> Because I wanted to hear Well, >> I defer to Colleen on when she thinks I should be president. Colleen and Nicole.

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>> And this new planning board is two meetings a month. Now we're talking, you know, at least 6 to 8 hours. >> And if you're only going to 50%. I mean, I would have a little >> and Nicole tell me that I should be there. I'm happy to be there.

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>> But why would you want >> How would you suggest to do the process, Rob? I'll I'll, you know, obviously be open-minded to listening to, you know, what your recommendation is. So, I'm not I don't want to get into an argument about this. I know we have to go into close session. >> How?

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>> And you want a process. So, how would you propose the process? Would you like to review all the resumeumés? Um, and then the five of us send over the opinions of Colleen also. She had emailed us.

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>> Yep. >> She gave us nothing. She gave us nothing to go off of. There's no performance. There's no attendance. There's no meeting minutes. >> Her opinion. >> How? >> But she didn't give us any opinion about those names. >> So, what is the opinion on? >> All right. So based upon nothing.

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>> So Rob, do you want to review the resumes? You are more than more than happy to do that. >> I will go ahead. >> Uh maybe maybe the five of us submit the names that we feel should go on the

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board based upon the existing members and the resumes that we I'm not reviewing all the resumes. I can tell you because that I'm happy with the two boards that have that that are there now. You know, not everybody, but there's certain people that are not

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coming back anyway. Um, so to answer your question, what I would have preferred and if it's still possible is everybody submits a resume, we put a rubric together. I haven't seen this, but put a rubric together like we

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would for any job application, most job application, score it, review it, decide how many of those people based on whatever >> numbers we're looking at, the top five, top 10. Well, we need 19. Sorry, we need we decide how many. That's up to us.

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>> We interview them and we rank them. >> Yeah, that's pretty much what I sent out two weeks ago. >> Kevin, what do they do in other towns that you deal with? How many towns the govern >> well I mean even for people that are going on plan zoning boards I mean

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>> oh like regular appointments if a seat comes vacant it's it's usually somebody on the governing body says hey Joe's a friend of mine he wants to do it he's good this is his background what does everybody think sometimes people want to meet with him sometimes not and gets pointed I mean there's typically not a for >> which is what we've done up until this

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point and I'm not saying it hasn't worked >> but I'm saying we have an entirely new board that that we have to totally reappoint. So, nobody's got a position right now and nor will they on July 1st.

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So, they're if we ask for resumes by just saying we're keeping the ones we have, why did we bother opening it up to the general public? >> Well, I to listen to me. When we had that when we had that meeting, I suggested that if you wanted to I wasn't

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for it. If you guys wanted to put it out on your pages, I didn't expect a full-blown ad on Facebook being paid for, submit it out there on Facebook, which keeps coming up. I I said you can

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put it out and you can submit and ask for names. That's what I said. I didn't say put an ad out and pay for an ad through Facebook and keep pushing it out or call. I didn't call anybody to ask them. Like I stopped at somebody's house

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and they told me they were approached >> to put their name in. >> Okay. So, let's just decide what we're going to do. I'm I will email everybody the resumes I have >> tomorrow morning. >> Okay. >> And then, >> well, what about the current members?

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>> I don't have anything for them. We never had anything for them. >> That's not true though. >> I don't have an application. But that's not our That's not my department. >> There are some that are on there. No idea. That's not >> before I got on. >> Couple of the names are on there. I mean, Colleen was happy with them. So,

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>> I don't know. >> I mean, I'm personally I feel that the people that run that department know how their members operate. >> Agreed. >> So, if the people that run that department and they have to sit on that board with them, I'm going to go off the

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professionals recommendations. That's how I feel. I mean, why do we have professionals if we're not going to listen to them? because we appoint them. >> I get it. But if they're working >> and they've never been involved with the appointments of replacements, >> but if they're working well, >> but they've never been involved.

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>> So, how would you suggest to do this? Do you want to go do you want to meet with each person individually? >> I just said put review all the resumes, put a rubric together. We agree on a rubric, score the rubric, determine how many we're going to bring in, whatever

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number that is. I don't have it. I don't know that we need to decide right now. Interview them, rank them, and mutually agree that we're going to select X number. We have to accept accept 13. >> If you're talking about interviewing, I don't know if you mean the entire

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council, that would typically when you're interviewing for an employee that's in a in a confidential executive session. And I think you might want to do the same here if it's the whole council or alternatively one or two people can do interviewing. >> I have a question. for you actually.

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>> Good point. >> Sorry. >> So, I have a little bit of an issue that I just want to ask a question, right? The question is for people that have given campaign donations to council members,

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how when does that become a conflict of interest when we're appointing the same people that contributed onto these boards? >> It's it's it's not a conflict. Um the the the conflict rules are if a planning

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board member gets a direct or indirect financial or personal benefit from being on the board, right? And I can tell you I know that most planning board members, if you ask them, don't get a benefit from being on the board. It's a service they they go out and do. If they're on the board and they're, you know, their

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next door neighbor comes in, they have to recuse themselves. That's on a case- by case basis. But making a campaign contribution to anyone in this room or anyone you know out there is not is not a conflict. >> Even with the one that they cite

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Wiscowski versus Rezus, which is the appearance of an impropriety >> that is actually that's a Supreme Court case. That's actually no longer the standard. The Supreme Court's changed that because they said appearance of impropriy is too vague. There's got to be an actual uh provable conflict to

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exclude somebody. >> So people that are giving donations now for a future campaign, that's not an appearance of an impropriety. >> Correct. That's not an appearance propriety. Well, I don't know if it's appearance appearance to you, but those campaign contributions are publicly

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disclosed. Everyone knows them. You can make a decision on that. If you think someone contributed, therefore they should be disqualified. That's that's a policy decision. That's not an ethical decision. So there's no ordinance about like $5,000 sponsors all that. I mean

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that to me as a public member I would think that that would be improper. >> It's not it's not the one. >> Okay. >> So would you All right. So this is me. It's not the other four. I'm

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going off of Colleen's recommendations. That's how I feel. Well, it would be nice if she was here to actually ask questions about those specific people that she recommended to get performance, to get attendance, to get anything because like I said, I watched multiple

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videos all weekend long, took my own attendance. That shouldn't be my job. >> Send me an email and set up an appointment next week with her. >> That would be right. That would be the best thing. >> Yeah. I mean, I I can get you the attendance records. That's fine. >> I already have them. I did them myself.

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Yeah, >> I don't need them now. >> Okay, >> so back to the process. Are we going to ask for the current members to present provide resumes? Yeah, I think that would be the fairest

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for everyone involved, especially since 16 people from our general residents want to serve on this board. >> Let me I'm sorry. I So, I agree with that respectfully, John. If you're going with Colleen's recommendations, that means all of the resumes that have been submitted, you're not considering.

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>> No, there's open spots. >> There are open spots. >> So, how many did she recommend? >> 11. >> So, we have two open spots. So, of those resumes in your mind, you're picking two. All good. I just want to understand. >> Yeah. I mean, where else? Yeah. I mean,

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you had uh one that put in before this even came up. There was one that was a resume year before. I mean, they're in the talent bank through Tracy Burkowitz. She gets the talent bank resumes. That's how these names have come into us >> in the past. Correct. >> Yeah.

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>> I mean, there's names on there that we've reappointed that were on here before I got here. >> I don't disagree. I believe there's two from you know two of them which you know we know through the club >> coincidentally Tony and Tony would correct

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>> correct >> Anthony and Tony but Tony >> Edw and Gino very nonItian names um >> so my opinion is we should ask the

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current for resumes if we don't do it and that's what the majority says So be it. >> And did we ask every single person because there was another person that is serving that told me he wasn't asked. >> I don't ask anyone out wants to be on it.

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>> I put the ad out equal opportunity to apply. >> I just want to throw something out. You said ask everyone to apply. I think you should discuss the consequence. If somebody doesn't put in, are they disqualified from being appointed? >> I that's where I was going with that.

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the next Kevin, you read my mind. I agree. >> Yeah. No, I'm with you. Right. >> I You may be disqualifying, you know, qualified people by that are currently on the board. >> Why would they refuse to give a resume? It doesn't make any sense to me.

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>> Just go down the path of what you're I'm with you, Kev. I I don't disagree. >> I And I don't want to do that, but I don't respectfully, John, why that decision. >> Well, again, I'm going off of what Colleen's recommending. I mean, I requesting.

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>> I don't want to again belabor the point. >> Should we call? >> Let me ask you a different question. We're not going to get this done. >> No. >> Anytime. Well, we need to come up with the process tonight. >> Now, I got to step in because I need action on July 9th.

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>> So, you got till then, council. Please, cuz then we don't have a board that's acting and we've got applications. >> I just don't business to handle. I don't think that when we thought to put this referendum out there, and I don't think it was Colleen's intention when she recommended it, that we were going to

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dissolve the boards, that we were going to take it and start from scratch. I don't think that was the intention, and I think that it's it's kind of exceeding our power >> to take I don't think it's the law to to dissolve to tell the people that they're done and not reappoint them for the for the new session. I don't think that was

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the intention. >> Tent versus law are two different things. >> Well, it's actually policy versus law. the the law is the boards are deol dissolved. I think what Keith is saying is that >> it wasn't the intention to say to everybody you're not coming back your wife back aim all the people appointed to the board. That's

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>> Oh, I'm not saying all new. >> Yeah, >> I I agree. No, no, no. Don't misunderstand me. They're probably the in my humble opinion, yes, the majority of the people >> that are >> that are there are probably well qualified and will probably would give I would give them strong

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consideration. Let me be fair. But there's 16 other people that deserve the equal amount of consideration because they've applied because we put a >> request out for applications. >> So I I get the intent part, but once we've learned that

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6 months ago, um we had 6 months to do this and we're waiting two weeks before we need to >> get them in. So shame on us for waiting that long. And respectfully to you, I think Dave said last time, not not you,

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Dave Fischer, he said that he didn't think anyone was interested and I said when was the last time we even put it out to the public and here we go. So, I think we have to give equal opportunity to everyone. And to your point, Rob, I

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mean, I think you're probably right that most of the people that are serving on it are very qualified and will be reappointed, but it has to be fair and equitable for all residents. My opinion, >> well, if I can make a recommendation, I

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mean, you you have people Colleen recommended. Um, she's been doing this for a long time and you want to know the re the basis for it. I think you should meet with Cully and say, "Tell me tell me why these people are qualified." You also have other people you want to review. Rob, you said go through the resumes. If you want to meet with the

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people and and make a recommendation, I mean, they're empty slots, >> then do that. I I don't I don't know that you need a, >> you know, what you call it, a score sheet, a rubric. I mean, but if you want that, I >> think we do. I wouldn't do

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>> I'm sorry because I did watch the videos and the minutes aren't there which to me that's inappropriate. It's it's >> we pay someone to actually do this. >> I'm absolutely addressing that already. It's already been addressed like I said 18 months. I'm going

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>> and there's 10 that are on there. >> So I read those. I actually watched videos. a lot of the members that were um recommended don't ask questions and push everything through. So, yes, I would like to see new people on there

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and I would like to interview them and then come up with the best qualified >> people whoever they may be. And I don't know, I mean, has everyone else watched the videos

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and read the 10 meeting minutes? Guess not. >> No, I definitely have not. >> No, >> I spent probably >> Dave, how much time does Mary hours doing it? >> Um, I actually don't know. >> Okay. >> It depends on your questions and you

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know, >> for the orchard. >> Yep. >> All right. >> We may have to carry her over if necessary, but she is I'm texting her, telling her we're delayed. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can we come back after, General? >> Sure. >> Bring her on. Let's bring her on. We'll

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uh come back up after uh >> yeah. >> Yeah. Motion to go and close. >> So move. >> Second. Second. >> All in favor? >> I do. Close session.

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Just going to let everybody know before we start the meeting that all township council meetings will be audio and videotaped. They'll be shown on the cable channel. Channel 22 on Verizon FiOS and channel 77 on cable vision. >> Have a roll call, please. >> Mayor Neutani

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>> here. Jeff, >> council members here. >> Kaplan >> here and here. >> Can everyone please stand as we do a pledge of allegiance and remain standing as we do a silent prayer? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Moment of silence for our troops that are overseas fighting the wars right now.

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Stand you may be seated. Um Okay. So, be uh just want to remind everybody the notice requirements for the open public meetings act for the meeting have been satisfied and a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Aspbury Park Press and the coaster posted in town hall and posted in the

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office of the municipal clerk on December 18th, 2025. There are two emergency exits to my right. They'll take you to the front of the building. One to my left that'll take you to the rear of the building. Please make sure all cell phones are turned off and if you need to make a call, kindly step outside. Uh we have some presentations,

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but before we have presentations, I'd like to just go down and do council comments and then we'll come down and do our uh presentations and our proclamation. So, I'm going to start down with Councilwoman Kaplan. >> I get to be first today because Deputy Mayor is out. >> Well, we've been rotating a little bit

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there. Councilwoman, >> we're good. Um okay. First, I'd like to welcome the students from H >> who were here. Um, they participated in the Ocean Environmental Commission's uh, Skip the Stuff contest. Thank you, Julia Valence, for putting that together.

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>> She's still a serant to me. >> Um, I just want to congratulate Jack and Eileen McCormack. They were honored this Sunday um, at the historical museum. If anybody has not been to see the historical museum, they should check it out. It's amazing. Um, and thank you to Jim Foley for for spearheading that

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effort. Um, in terms of upcoming events, join us this Sunday at the uh Jersey Shore 5K Cancer Schle. It's Sunday at Palea Park at 9:00 a.m. Um, if you Google it, the link to sign up will come up. We're also looking for volunteers.

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Um, and that will um raise money for uh cancer and specifically the Rabine Medical Center in Israel. And right after that, we're having um a flag day, a flag raising flag day ceremony um at

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11 am at the monument. So uh please join us. It should be a nice nice day. >> And we'll have 250 flags planted to celebrate our 250th anniversary. Thank you, Councilwoman. Anything else? >> That's it. >> All righty. Councilman Aera. >> Uh yes. Excuse me. >> Bless you.

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>> Bless you. >> Hello. >> No. That's good. You use that. Um what's today? Thursday. Tuesday uh the Chamber of Commerce had our uh annual expo over at Jumping Brook. Uh tremendous success. Over 50 vendors and exhibitors were

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there. Over 200 people walk through. Um one of our biggest events of the year. It's always our biggest event of the year and uh it didn't fail. So uh congratulations to all the uh members, the executive director and everybody that participated. Uh next upcoming event is uh business and breakfast. Uh

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you can find the information on that on our the chambers website gootcc.org. Uh if you're interested, it is held at uh Turning Point on the last Thursday of every month. Uh very interesting speaker this month. I won't tell you who it is. You got to find it on the website. Um

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but u uh any questions on that, you can certainly reach out to me. Thank you, Mayor. Councilwoman Terico. >> Thank you, Mayor. I have a few things. Uh one Wanted to just let you know that I attended the garden club annual tree

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swap and what a fun event that was. A shout out to all the members and to the chair Diane Serante who really made it very engaging and educational event for everyone. This garden club is open to all residents and meets the second Monday of the month.

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Um, I wanted to invite any resident that would like to be part of the 250th c celebration, I'm sorry, celebration of America parade in Middletown on June 28th at 12:00 noon. It is a two-mile walk. The event is not

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town sponsored this one, but if any resident would like to attend with me, I do have a small group that would like to represent Ocean Township in this parade. So, please use my email gtalericoenttownship.org to sign up and for more info.

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And I did meet with residents of Heritage Village to help support them and getting some of their maintenance requests met. So, I'm hopeful that that is also in the works for our seniors. And I just want to wish every father and father figure happy Father's Day next weekend. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Councilwoman Dave Brown, our manager. >> Thank you, Mayor. I don't know if my mic Here we go. Thank you, Mayor. um appreciate the um offer to speak tonight. Just seeing that this is probably going to be our last meeting before Fourth of July, I just want to

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wish everybody a happy 4th of July, a safe 4th of July. Remember our fireworks and a happy 250th anniversary. Thank you, Sarah. And Jesse, I believe you had a few words to say. Brad Andress for all his help in setting up and breaking down the polling

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locations at the 10th hole, the municipal gym and West Park wreck. I'd like to thank Carlos, Jimmy, and Kyle for setting up and breaking down the polling location here in town hall. especially challenging the day after an election because there's court at 9:00 am and we have to be ready for that.

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>> That's right. >> The P I'd like to thank the PD for returning the election results to the county the night of the election. I'd like to thank also thank a couple of the workers from public works who did all the returning of the rest of the election materials to freehold the next

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day after the election and to thank the ladies from public works who helped me piece together the microphone stand tonight. >> Thank you, Jesse. >> Anything else? >> Not for me. >> Okay. Just want to remind everybody that there's an essay and poster contest.

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They're due back tomorrow, Friday, June 12th. You can bring them over to human services building. Uh Jen Nordstrom's collecting them. There is an essay contest as well that goes to Lisa Hannah at the high school. Uh what America means to me. And you can email your

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essays to lanna. That's lan na at oceanschools.org if you're interested. We have our annual fireworks this year on July 2nd and we're going to have some great entertainment, phenomenal

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fireworks by Serpico Pyro Technics. We're looking forward to that. We're going to kick off the whole weekend on the 2nd of July. July 3rd, we have a bike parade at 10:00 a.m. Um, I want to let everybody know that the Date

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Commission has added fish to Fireman's Pond effective today. So, they're looking forward to potentially having a uh contest within a year or two. They have to let the fish get a little bigger, but that was a great uh thing today. Don Brockl did it. So, thank you,

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Don, uh on that ask that I made. He's got another surprise coming up, and I don't want to bring it up yet until I know it's there. Uh, I also want to let everybody know I met with the governor's senior staff, her chief uh, operating officer and her executive team to go

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over permitting procedures throughout the state of New Jersey, but more importantly, our municipality and what the problems are as it relates to various permitting processes that are through the state, especially the D and the EPA. So, it was a very productive

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meeting. Um, I feel very confident that the team is listening to the officials and how we can get things streamlined and move quicker. So, it was a very uh, like I said, very, very good meeting. So, that being said, what's that? >> Police explorers are looking

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>> I thought you were doing that. I'm sorry about that. We have the police explorers. They need they're looking for more volunteers that want to be police explorers. They have a meeting on the 22nd of June at 6:00 p.m. Any teen

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interested between the ages of 14 and 18, if they're interested in a career in law enforcement and earning community service hours, there's going to be free pizza and the first responders training. It'll be at the Ocean Township Police Department headquarters right here, 399

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Mammoth Road. Drop offs in the main lobby. So, if you're between the ages of 14 and 18 and you're interested in law enforcement, kindly come out. They'd love to see you. Now, let's get into the fun part. So, we're going to start off with our presentation. So, I'm going to

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ask the council to come off the DES and we are going to honor some of our students and uh let's have some fun here. Okie dokie. 21. >> Thank you. Oh, there we go. So, I want

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to thank uh Michelle with two L's. I have a wife with one L. >> Michelle Kilnik. Did I say that right? >> Kimnick. >> Kimnik. Okay. So, we have some students here today and we're giving them a certificate of

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accomplishment. So, we're going to call you up individually. We're going to give you your certificate. I'd like to call up uh your teacher right now so you can explain. Yeah. I'm going to put you on the hot seat. >> This is your gig.

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>> Come on up, Michelle with two L's. >> Oh, that's okay. You probably know all about it. Come over here on this side. Okay. >> All right. We're going to put you right in the middle. There you go. So, Michelle, so talk to me about the recycling PSA contest.

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>> Oh, microphone. >> The microphone. >> Um, so we had just wrapped up our unit on natural resources and pollution and all of that. So, we did a whole end of unit thing on recycling and global warming and the whole thing. So, this

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was perfect timing to get this email and um share it with all of my students. But, of course, we had our five, you know, worth uh worth highlighting today who submitted a video and, you know, deserve the credit for, >> you know. Let me ask you a couple

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questions. So, what was special about this project that they did? >> We I mean, first of all, they're very creative. They, you know, uh their videos always make me laugh. It's not the first of the videos I've seen um this year from them, but it just fit in

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with my curriculum perfectly. Um and the timing was, you know, pretty spot-on for, you know, giving this end of unit project. Guys, let's wrap up what we learned and kind of your bill is really helpful for

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saying, hey guys, this is one step in, you know, trying to limit plastic and pollution and all of that. So, >> so do you teach just science or are you doing everything in in the class? >> Um, so

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>> so sixth grade is earth science. So we did weather, we did um well now we're doing space, we did um natural resources, we did um natural disasters. >> Wow. >> All of that fits in with our curriculum. We went to the planetarium today on a

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class trip, so we're wrapping up the year. They had a busy one here. All right, so let's call up the kids. We're going to start off with Si Bound. >> Oh, bummer. Okay. >> Family affair. >> Family affair.

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Chair of the Environmental Commission. >> You You don't want to come up, Julia? >> I didn't have that. >> So, I've got Jean Diane. >> Genie Diane. >> Jeanie Diane. Genie Diane. Hello, Jeanie.

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Oh, look. Look. There you go, Gingie. Look at that. And look, we all signed it. Sashana Nesser. Here you go, Shashana. >> Thank you. >> Shelley Shama.

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All right, Shel. Shel, don't walk away. You got your certificate. >> Thank you. >> There you go. I like your pink braces. They didn't have that when I was a kid. They were straight metal and that was it. Gabrielle Cohen. All right, Gabrielle, right here.

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Girls, you did a great job. Anybody want to say a few words? You're on TV. It's right there. You want to say a few words? >> Thank you, Miss Clint. >> I think that get that gets an A. What do you think? >> Oh, they got it. >> I'm sure they got A's. >> I don't think we have to worry about

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that. >> They don't even need anything. They got it. >> Nice job, girls. Let's get some pictures with the girls. Let's get you in the front here in the in the center. Go over to the center. Come on. Let's go. >> I'm going to go to the edge. I'm going to go on the other side.

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>> Yeah. Here. >> There we go. Tighten it up. Tighten it. >> All right. >> Thank you, girls. Now we have uh young ladies. Uh Michelle, can you take that? Thank you. >> I'll take stay down. We have uh one more

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honore tonight. Um so I have an honore tonight who has been in front of this council more than once. Suvid, come on up. Suvid is uh Suvid Ashnani.

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I have to say he uh he reached out to me He reached out to me um because he was trying to win this contest through the New Jersey League of Municipalities. So, he needed to actually have the mayor sign off on it. But what he didn't tell

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me was it was due in like hours. I'm like, "Okay." So, I said, "Nice job. All good." We got it in and Suvi got the scholarship, which was unbelievable. So Suvi has been in front of us with the

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Boy Scouts and I I just can't say enough for this young man here. He's got a bright future. He's done so much building up with the Boy Scouts that I really can't say enough. But can you explain a little bit about your essay, Suvi? So I wrote about the essay topic

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was about what your town means to you. So, for you those don't who don't know me, uh my name is UIT and I did an e-waste recycling drive as my ego scout project 2 years ago or maybe like a year and a half ago maybe. Um and I collected over 8,000 to be recycled from the

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township. Um and then just this following September, I did another e-waste drive on a smaller scale, but that was another couple thousand pounds. So, what I wanted to write about in my essay was about how much my town meant to me through the community. Um, so I

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really focused on how what really like the town meant to me was how much the community just stood up for me, I guess, and how much they, you know, helped me, represented me, not just the town council who gave me all of their support and made honestly everything a success in the first place, but just through

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everybody in the community who showed up to recycle or to help out with my drive and volunteer. So, you know, it was really special to be able to thank the community this way and I'm just really thankful for both the council and the entire community devotion.

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>> Awesome. Sweet. So, he is the winner of the Lewis Bay second future municipal leader scholarship and honestly it can't go to a better young man than Suvid. So I'm just going to read the last part of our proclamation which says now therefore be it proclaimed by the

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governing body of the township of ocean that heartfelt congratulations are hereby extended to Zvid Aani for his remarkable success in the Lewis Bay second future municipal leader scholarship competition and be it further proclaimed that the governing

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body extends their best wishes for his continued success as he advances in his education and step forward as a future leader in our community and state. So that's our proclamation. There you go, sir. And then you got something from the New Jersey League of

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Municipalities, which says, "For your interest in civic contributions to the community, as evidenced by your participation in the 32nd annual Lewis Bay, Second Future Municipal Leaders Scholarship Competition. Here you go

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from the League of Municipalities for Congratulations. Good job, man. I'm so happy for you. There you go. That shirt. You want to hold them up? We'll take some pictures. Mom and dad, you want to come up? So, girls, class is dismissed. If you want to leave, you don't have to hang

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around and hear all the boring stuff tonight. >> Thank you for being here. We appreciate that. >> I have another council comment. We get new chairs. >> We've been ask Kevin and I have been bumping for these for a couple of years

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now. Well, nice to hear. Hey, we're going to do our consent agenda and this is where we will open up for public questions and resolutions and vouchers. All matters listed under the consent agenda or considered routine by the township council and will be enacted

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by one motion listed below. There will be no separate discussion on these items. If a discussion is desired on any item, that item will be considered separately. The purpose of the public portion is to solely ask questions to understand resolutions that appear on the agenda and is not an occasion for a

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public hearing on an ordinance. All questions not related to an item on the agenda should be asked during the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting. Are there any public questions on the consent agenda?

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Seeing here none, do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> I'll move to approve the consent agenda. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> Yes. >> Yes. Individual action. Vouchers in the

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amount of 5 million 8,859,7576. Someone please offer. >> I'll offer. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. Yes. >> Telerica. >> Yes. >> Nepotani. >> Yes. Ordinance is up for adoption. Ordinance 2544, which is an ordinance

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establishing a joint planning board, zoning board of adjustment of adjustment and amending chapter 2 of the revised general ordinances of the township of motion 1965 section 2-6.2 planning board. Someone please open up public discussion on ordinance 2544.

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>> I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2544. >> Second. Second roll call. >> Aera, >> yes. >> Kaplan, >> yes. >> Telerico, >> yes. >> Nutanic, >> yes. Anyone wishing to speak on ordinance 2544, please step up to the

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microphone. State your name and address for the record. Seeing here none, do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2544? >> I move to close public discussion on ordinance 2544. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> Aera, >> yes. >> Kaplan, yes.

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>> Terrio, >> yes. Napuchani. >> Yes. Action on ordinance 2544. >> I move to adapt ordinance 2544 and publish according to law. >> Second. Oop. Sorry. Go ahead. Second. >> Roll call.

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>> A chair. >> I'm sorry. So, this is voting for >> combining the boards. >> No, I'm sorry. This is a closed public not to vote on. Okay. So, I'm tossed on this vote. So, we got to vote yes eventually. Um, unfortunately, we don't

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have a process in place to fill the vacancies for the the ordinance yet. I'd love to say no so that we can get the process in place and then vote, but that's probably not the best. But I just want to make sure that that process is done properly, that it's fair, it accommodates the people that are on the

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board, and it accommodates the people that have applied for the board. So, I'm going to vote yes with the understanding that we're going to get that process done and everybody will be uh treated fairly. Kaplan. >> Yes, >> Telerico.

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>> I would like to just add that I'd like a time frame for that process and I agree with Councilman Aera. So, I will vote yes, but I would like a time frame and that the process is fair, just, and equitable for all residents to be

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considered. and >> yes, that ordinance has been adopted. Ordinance 2545, an ordinance of the township of ocean in the in the county of Mammoth, New Jersey, adopting a redevelopment plan

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for block 1.22, lot 33 and block 1.22, lot 34, commonly known as 1211 West Park Avenue and 1213 West Park Avenue, Tatch of Ocean, New Jersey. Someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2545. I move to open public discussion

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on ordinance 2545. >> Second. Second. Roll call. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terrio. >> Just to open. Yes. >> Just to open it. Yes. >> And next. >> Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 2545? Please step up to the

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microphone. State your name and address for the record. >> Hi, good evening. Whoa. Um, Alex Hayes Oakst. Um, I'm just going to voice my objections to this as I have been almost the entire process. You all have mentioned um this

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redevelopment at 1211 West Park, 1213 West Park, the former location of those two homes, Anora, right next to um Township of Ocean Middle School. Granted, my second child will be leaving the middle school, thank God, in a few weeks. Um, so I might not have as many

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reasons to drive by that area as I do on a daily basis, but already that is a traffic nightmare. And when I was watching, I think it was the planning board or zoning board, I forgot even which one or maybe it was a previous one of these um meetings. Um it was discussed that the developer wants to

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bring 30 town homes, 30 zero town homes, 30 town homes, um you know, within a a stones throw from the middle school. And I just cannot imagine the traffic that that's going to um be a little bit more of a nightmare

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coming in and out of the middle school. Um, I don't think people in town know about this plan and I don't think it's being publicized enough. Part of that stems from my displeasure with the fact that we do not seem to put our minutes in a timely manner on um for public

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consumption. So my questions and they are like kind of minimal. Um, in this ordinance it states that the planning board did create some sort of a um, planning consultant prepared a

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redevelopment plan. When is all of that going to be made public for the public to be able to be like, okay, let me see what they're proposing. I think they were proposing two and a half story town homes. Um, I know it's not set in stone. They don't have like an architect from what I remember seeing. like it was like

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a it's like a still a pipe dream, I guess. But I think residents need to know that there's a proposal for 30 town homes by the middle school. I guess that's kind of my question. When will all of the um redevelopment documentation

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that has been put um in front of the planning board for this location and that the planning board um issued their like um their recommendations in writing? Okay. Thanks. Um Kevin, I'll lob that over to you when it would become public.

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>> It's public now. The planning board approved it um at a public meeting. So it's >> How can I get it? >> Uh you put in an oper request. >> Okay. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to be heard?

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Seeing or none, do I >> just ordinance 2545? No, I think >> might have been that. >> Do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2545? >> I move to close public discussion on ordinance 2545.

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>> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Sharon, >> yes. >> Kavlin, >> yes. >> Terica, >> no. >> You don't want to close the public. >> Oh, yes. Sorry. >> I always get that. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. >> Yes. >> And Neville,

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>> yes. Action on ordinance 2545. >> I move to adopt ordinance 2545 and publish according to law. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> No. >> Natani. >> Yes. Ordinance.

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>> Very powerful. That ordinance has been adopted. >> AV guy. Huh? Ordinance 2546, which is an ordinance to amend chapter 12 to revise general ordinances of the township of a ocean 1965 authorizing a

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stop intersection at various locations in the town of a ocean. Someone please open public discussion on ordinance 2546. >> I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2546. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terica.

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>> Yes. and Nutani. >> Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard and speak on ordinance 2546, please step up to the microphone, state your name and address for the record. >> Seeing here none, do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance

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2546. >> I move to close public discussion on ordinance 2546. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera, >> yes. >> Kaplan, >> yes. >> Telerico, >> yes. >> And Capenni, >> yes. Action on ordinance 2546.

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>> I move to adopt ordinance 2546 and publish according to law. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> A cher. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terrico. >> Yes. >> Andy. >> Yes. That ordinance also passes. Ordinance 2547, which is an ordinance amending and supplementing ordinance

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number 2343 entitled an ordinance amending the revised general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 relating to personnel policies, practices, and procedures, article 5, absences, and article 9, conduct. Someone please open

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public discussion on ordinance 2547. >> I move to open public discussion on ordinance 2547. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> A chair. Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> Yes. >> Nutanic. >> Yes. Anyone wishing to be heard and speak on ordinance 2547,

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please step up to the microphone. State your name and address for the record. Seeing here none, do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 2547? >> I move to close public discussion on ordinance 2547. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera.

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>> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> Yes. >> And Necenni. >> Yes. Action on ordinance 2547. >> I move to adopt ordinance 2547 and publish according to law. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terico. >> Yes. >> And

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>> yes. That ordinance also passes. Introductions to ordinance 2548 which is an ordinance amending chapter 12 to revise general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 authorizing a stop intersection at various locations in the township of ocean. Someone please

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introduce ordinance 2548. >> I move to introduce ordinance 2548. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. >> A chair. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Telerico. >> Yes. >> And Nean. >> Yes. That ordinance will have its hearing on the 9th of July. Ordinance

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2549, which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 21 of the comprehensive land development ordinance of the town of provotion article 4 zoning provision subsection 21-22 through 21-32. Someone please introduce 2549.

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>> I move to introduce ordinance 2549. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call. >> Aera. >> Yes. >> Kaplan. >> Yes. >> Terica. >> Yes. >> And >> yes. That too will have its hearing on the 9th of July. Now we'll open it up for public discussion. Uh if anybody has anything germaine to the town of a

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ocean, please step up to the microphone. State your name and address. Uh well, state your name and address for the record. You have a time limit of five minutes. Scared.

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>> I'm going to put it in. Hold it. All right. >> Good evening. My name is Jeff George. I'm here tonight to raise awareness about a very serious issue plaguing our town. I'm sure many

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of you will agree the deer population is getting completely out of control. Uh, in a lot of ways, it feels like the deer are completely taking over society. At first it was just one deer,

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then two, then 10, and now they're forming entire deer communities. Um, the deer are reproducing at a much higher rate than the rest of us, often having six, 10, or even 12 fawns.

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Um, they're everywhere and they all look the same. Uh, it's it's impossible to distinguish one deer from another. You can try to be friendly with them, but they are extremely skittish. They're walking through our streets at

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all hours of the night. They walk in the middle of the road and then they act like we're the problem. And have you ever driven by one of them and notice how they just freeze and stare at you? People say that's fear. Uh, I disagree.

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Um, I think that's the deer scheming. They're not afraid of humans anymore. And you know why? Because they've been studying us. They know our weaknesses and they know our vulnerabilities. They infiltrate our communities and they

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carry disease with them. They hide in the bushes and they eat all the berries. Ladies and gentlemen, we must do something about the deer population. I've heard that in some towns they conduct controlled hunts to callull the

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population numbers. Um, personally, I think a more humane solution would be to relocate them, maybe to Ocean County or upstate New York. I think they would really enjoy that. So, thank you for your time and for taking this matter so

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seriously. I really appreciate it. I hope you have a great night. You >> too. So, uh, just to, you know, obviously the council prior to us also, uh, has been grappling with this, um, issue for many years. We've even put it

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out to the other municipalities. Relocating is a great idea. controlled hunts, um, sterilization, the way that Staten Island and, uh, I believe it's, uh, Princeton have spent

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an inordinate amount of money trying to sterilize the deer. We even went as far as to get the surrounding communities on board with an idea because the problem is that if let's say Ocean Township does

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something, it's not going to matter because West Lawn Branch, Eaton Town, Tinton Falls, Neptune, we're all in agreement with you unless we can get some sort of an agreement. And Dave, I think you can chime in on that, Dave

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Brown. um about the discussions we've all had, you know, in regards to having a joint thing. I mean, the only thing I can say is we can have and host a meeting, another one with the ex with the

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surrounding municipalities and see if we can all come up with an agreement, but we all have to agree on it. And we know there's a problem. And this guy up here didn't hit one once, hit one twice. and the second time cost me a lot of money.

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>> A lot of money. >> So, I mean, we do want to work on this, but I I think Dave, maybe what we should try to do is have another joint meeting with the surrounding municipalities, but the county also has to be involved

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because in our town, we have Welsh Park. That's a county park. So, we need a lot of different entities to be involved. So Dave, you think we could try to set that up and you know, we'll host it in Ocean Township and, you know, see if we can

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come up with uh we'll call it a deer summit. Thank you for your concerns. Anyone else wishing to be heard? Any comments? Germaine to the Township of Ocean. Uh Alex Hayes Okist again. Um, just want to start off with the uh rotating

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comments. I love it. I love that you started first. I love that you take turns. It's so refreshing. So, keep keep up the slight changes. It um makes everything more appealing and and it makes it a better meeting. Um the Dow

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Avenue speed limit currently is still at 35 and I'm wondering maybe offline. I know there is the safe streets coalition that is working to lower some streets, but I'm just wondering since um you know even online people are saying like how about this town or how about this street, how about that street, how about

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this street, like could there be possibly posted online a specific um if you if you would like so and so, whether it's this safe streets or the um the PD to look at um traffic on your street, here's what you need to do cuz it's a little confusing. Who do I go to? I live

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on DAO. I have no sidewalk on my side of the street. So, my kids couldn't even like safely cross. They had to be busted literally to Dao school, which was nine houses away, which is kind of ridiculous, but there's no there's no sidewalk. So, and there's 35 m per hour. Um, and that really means 50 in this

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town at a minimum. So, I would um love to throw in that street as one of the ones that's being looked at. Um, okay. So, I'm just going to reiterate again my problem with there not being minutes. Um, and and sometimes minutes are are here, but they're just not on time. and they're months later. I've been bringing

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this up for like four years. So, it's really encouraging to finally hear yet again like it's going to be addressed. But, um, why can't we get AI to do it? I've said it again, pay for whatever program it is to just push a button to spit out minutes and then somebody the next day can go over them to make sure.

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I really don't understand how this is a hard lift. Um, you know, there should be no reason why minutes are not up for planning board, environmental, uh, uh, all the other boards, this one within six days. Um, and the law states reasonable and we can argue what's reasonable or not, but

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more than two weeks is unreasonable in my opinion. I bring this up because um, this week people would not know what was being said last week and it was a fascinating discussion about CV Square last week and then it was also brought up again this week in the in the work

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session and who knows when that's going to be put on the minutes. Um, people have no idea. Um, that CV Square owners, this is what they're asking for. Um, the owner wanted, and I know some of you don't like this, so not everything is

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going to go through, but he they I don't know who who owns it, wants a data center, wants a fast food with drive-thru, wants a car wash, wants a bank with a drive-thru. It's good to hear that Amazon is coming back, but that would have been nice if that was in some minutes. Um, a medical office. Um,

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when these things are discussed in public session and nobody knows about it, they exist in a vacuum and then you guys make decisions and then you're surprised when people in town say, "Well, they already made up their minds." Like, it doesn't matter what we say because it's already predetermined.

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Um, and I bring this up also because um, in discussing the combined board, that's I'm switching gears here now. Um, somebody tonight said, "We have an obligation to consider all of these resumes, and I cannot even fathom that you would consider anything other than

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that." Um, somebody also said, "Well, don't you like the people on the current boards? If you like them, then we should just push them through." Well, two things can be true at the same time. You can like the current people, but you still should be looking at new people.

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Um, I cannot fathom that you would say to people, "We didn't even look at your resumes." I don't understand how you can say to people, "Um, no, we're not even going to

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consider you before we even open up your email or see your resumes." It's been apparent to me, which I didn't know until this meeting, that who whoever Colleen is, and I apologize. I don't know her last name because I don't think once her last name was stated. Um, but Colleen submitted a list of who she

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wanted you all to recommend for this new land board, but the applications weren't even due yet. The deadline was not in. So there were professional recommendations being made before

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all of people had the opportunity to submit for it. And it might be legal, but is that fair? Is that ethical? Is it equitable? It's rather entitled and arrogant if you ask me. And and mayor, you said I'm not reviewing all the resumes. I mean, it's just, can you

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imagine an HR department saying, "I have a hundred here, but the first guy I like, so I'm not going to look at the other 100." I You're running a how many million dollar corporation here? It's It's mindboggling. Um, and then I'm going to

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be a little bit quick. I don't know how much time I have. Um, the resistance to a process here is exactly why people in this town think that everything is predetermined. Um, you this town knows that you make decisions privately and without con

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consultation. So, I'm going to wrap up what I was going to say. Um, if you continue down this route of not considering things like this, you shouldn't be surprised when the town expresses displeasure and that you're not being transparent. And thank you to um, Terico and a chair for being the

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only sound opinions tonight. Thank you. So, DAO Avenue, um the superintendent has reached out to the chief of police as well as me for consideration on lowering that speed limit. So, that's uh obviously going to be considered. Um but the chief and the traffic department

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have to take some time to do a speed study. I I don't see it as a problem, especially lowering it by the school. Um, as for comments in regard to the planning board, uh, Colleen Mayor, who happens to run that department, has been working with these individuals for

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several years, to disband and completely start fresh with a brand new board would be detrimental to the municipality. Getting people up to speed, especially when we have to get these applications through. One of the biggest problems

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that we've had in the municipality has been timing of getting people's applications through and approved. Now, I will review resumeumés for open seats. If Colleen made a recommendation on people who happen to be on the existing

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boards right now, that was my opinion. I am one person out of five. I didn't say I wouldn't look at other résumés. What I said was there are seats that will open and we will go in the talent bank as we've done. What I also said was that

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there were ads put out. All I said in the last meeting was if you want to put it on your page, go for it. But we have very very qualified people on these two existing boards and to to not consider

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them or to make them reapply to me I think is insulting to them. Okay, that's again my opinion. Fischer's not here. That's my opinion. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to be heard?

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>> Mayor, can I just make one comment to her comment? So the one and I was the one that asked Colleen for her list of recommendations. To be clear, I asked for it so I understood who she felt were the most qualified and the ones

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that should remain from her perspective. That didn't mean those were the ones that we should just push forward, but I wanted her opinion because she did and does work with her them day in and day out, both boards. She probably knows them the best. Again, that was a

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recommendation. You're absolutely right. It was before all the resumes were due. I don't know that that in my humble opinion that that mattered that much, but that was the logic, at least from my position, why I asked for it. Thank you.

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Anyone else wishing to be heard? Seeing here none, we are going to be going back up for close session and then reopening for work session. Any um motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? I