all right folks We ready we have our acting manager Greg Blash out here I just want to remind everybody that Township Council meetings will be audio and videotaped They'll be shown on the Township of Oceans Community Cable Channel channel 22 on
Verizon Bios and channel 77 on cable vision Can I have a roll call please mayor Neklitani here Deputy Mayor Fischer here Council members the chair here Kaplan here Weinstein here The notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and a notice of the annual the
annual notice was sent to the Asbury Park Press and the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd 2025 We are going to start off with our township engineer Greg Lash Hey everybody How are
you Greg good Go over the projects Uh really not a lot happened out there because of the weather We're kind of not letting road programs start because of nighttime temperatures So cold but we're hoping in the next couple weeks to get going on you know finishing up the ones we have on hold 23 program mostly We've
got five roads left there Um not a whole lot of curving but the paving mostly So we want to wait till the weather gets a little nicer Uh the 24 program we're in the middle of the design We should be done Probably looking to put that out to bid the sometime early May So I got to
have talk with Jesse We got to have our uh meetings for the concrete assessments Hopefully do that in the next two weeks Okay We get all those out of the way Then we can kind of get that assessment done and then we'll talk to you Greg are you sending out to us blind copy what's uh you know what's up on deck for
roadwise this year I think I sent it to you way like probably 6 months ago Okay I'll send it to you again Yeah If you could resend this way we have an idea of what's Yeah there's a couple things changed because one of the things that's changed in the 24 program is we got the easement from the LL school right and
this is off of the drainage coming off of Carberry I think that's might be on your agenda tonight to adopt Nope No we don't I don't have that Oh when you adopt that that we got that from them It took a while but that's so we can put the rip right apron at the end of that head wall that we fixed about 3 years ago Yep That had fallen off the end of
the pipe We couldn't put the rip right apron on because we didn't own the property That's that is now been added to the 24 program That'll be one of the first things we do So that's coming up And there's a couple other things that we are throwing on there drainage wise We actually put a couple of things You'll see a change order next meeting
There's uh three or four emergency things we're going to try to throw in We've got some extra money in the 23 program left over Yep So we're going to do those We got a manhole on Beverly that's failing We've got that sink holes out in front of Pepsi And oddly enough we had two accidents that hit the curb
there and destroyed the curb So those two sink holes in those p pieces of curb and sidewalk will be repaired as one unit And then uh there was one other thing somewhere We have an emergency thing kind of want to fix So it's just easier We got the extra money but that is actually being paid for by insurance
the curb bits from the cars So okay Uh next thing kept well uh the demo for that building they'll be out to bid next week to knock that building down Um fireman's pond dredging is scheduled
for October We're pretty much done with everything Was going back and forth with the county to figure out the schedule and the money The mayor and Dave will be talking with them about the money Um Lollipop Pond the wetlands flagging done The soundings were started this week and the soil testing was uh soil sampling
was done So that's going to take about four weeks before we get the soil sampling done So we're kind of moving along on that one pretty good Uh Terrace Pond we're still slowly moving forward with that one getting the plans ready to go But that is our third priority And per my understanding and I'm not sure
the the status of the Snell's Pond but I think that one is actually been cancelled from my understanding Uh yeah I mean I we got a uh you wrote the letter I did Yeah Kevin wrote us a letter in regard to Snell's Pond being
that it is a uh because it's it's privately owned Privately owned Even though we have two parcels on there it's still considered privately owned because the majority are private on there right if there were an agreement on the private land owners to dredge we we could and probably would be part of that
proportionally right but um other than that it's not it's not like the other basins in town not not publicly owned so not not substring it So Kevin that would be similar to uh like Cedar Village basins and any other areas Greg how many
be a little worse because we don't own anything around Cedar Village These these because we own those two lots of ties Yeah And the the problem is I mean it's such an old development that there's not really a cohesive I don't think there's um an HOA there So it's just a bunch of So there was a complaint
about the storm water being dumped into the area Now Greg how this was developed 50 60 years ago Yes And the roads it's like any subdivision when you do that You know you're going to develop the roads to build to support the houses for access right well those roads have runoff The drainage that goes along with
those went into this pond And that those are all the houses that are around this pond The roads to service them is where that water comes from That's what's going in the pond One of the pipes coming out of the pond goes into our drainage system So you can kind of have the reverse effect If you want to take out the pipe that goes into the pond
then we have to take out the pipe that comes out of the pond So there's no relief for it So kind of a weird situation and there's no way we can take the drainage out because we can't take the roads out So obviously uh something like this years ago wasn't looked into
future if it filled in the way it did right yeah There's that There's no provision for that That's firemen's lollipop and terrace responders No provision for but fireman fireman's lollipop and terrace is a little
different because it's all public Yeah Okay No but I'm saying like those the drainage went into all those ponds and there's no provision to dredge those like a a 10 year or 15 year plan which really should be right I've gotten I don't I know you're cop on
some significant push back by from emails from that one gentleman saying look it's your roads to dump into the pond Therefore the pond is your obligation to dredge which is not sort of that's not a valid legal argument It's it's the people who own the basin
are the ones who have the obligation to maintain it That development that development or the homeowners that surround it So Kevin what is do you know of we have talked about uh an assessment district for properties
that are on the lake Have you seen them any in any municipalities i've seen um yes I've seen uh not of basins I've seen dredging of lagoons
um and had where the the town did the dredging and had a special assessment against the properties that fronted the lagoon that owned the the land underneath the lagoon and they essentially made those people pay for it by way of special assessment that's paid
through property taxes um it's you know uh controversial because you're you're putting on those people The question on a special assessment is who do you put the obligation on and in this instance there's two options You put it on the people that front on the pond with a
theory that you know it's it's their ownership or you put it on the people in the larger development on the theory that well the roadways that turn into the pond benefit that surrounding community That's a really a policy decision legal decision engineering
decision on on where you place the the special assessment What's the development here what would constitute the development for Snell's Pond is would you think there's a development we could identify i'm just curious because I don't think Exactly I don't think there is Like 50 60 years ago the guys
that owned the property kind of didn't really own a lot They would buy like two or three lots and build it Two or three lots So it was like Yeah Everything was just like a spec builder in the area and everything the drainage was built first because that was the low spot and everybody's connected into it But all these roads that were extended connected
into that low drainage which you know it's it's it's ideal case because everybody thinks it's our road It's really not our road It's road that the town maintains for the advantage of the public and the drainage is part of that But we certainly don't create the roads for anything other than their access
Right And we take them over by dedication So it's not like something we even build One thing about a special assessment here is because we have two of the lots so we own a proportionate share We would be obligated on our proportionate share of the the cost The
others would have whatever their proportionate share is by usually it's by square footage linear foot square foot one of the two So I I'm missing something So first can you send us a copy of the email so I understand what Sure was written But can
you explain we're not doing it why we don't know it But I thought we were all right So I heard that part but I thought we were going around asking the residents to get permission to do it No we were just asking for permission but we were going to be the ones that spearheaded it and paid for it
And so over the weekend there were a couple emails that went back and forth with one of the residents Uh the one resident has been emailing for several months in regard to it Um Kevin responded cuz he was copied and uh gave
a legal opinion on it as to whether or not we can or cannot dredge a private pond um on the municipality's back So that's why Kevin at Dave's request put in a legal opinion to find out you know what
the you know what we're allowed to do and what we're not allowed to do legally So what I got thank you So even if I'm asking even if they ask us to do it because we get permission from all of them we can't act as the if you will
prime contractor to get it done Oh can we act as the contractor to do it prime We'll call it what you want I don't know We could we could be the moving force behind it to get it done The issue is who pays for that project Back to the assessment district right part Okay So
it's not So just so I'm clear we we can't Excuse me We could do it if we got permission from everybody and they agreed that we would I think that probably the better way to say it is that we could we could spearhead it and move it forward but we can't do the project without all them
being assessed Correct But I thought that was the case We always needed their permission but now we're saying we need to get the assessment piece too Yes Before it was just the permission to actually So Rob the other thing was when we did uh god maybe six seven years ago
and we were having meetings with Cedar Village That was a major issue with Cedar having the money put aside and they were actually coming to the municipality about hey you know down the line can you take over this basin and it's and I talked to Greg about it What
what do we do and Greg's like if you start taking over the basins right we're going to be in a we're going to have a problem there What was that small property maybe 12 houses we have the same basin and the HOA either got created or it didn't get created It got
created and would dissolve That's what happened And we we picked we ended up doing it We own it now Where that's what Okay It's on me Run Was it Mel Run yeah Yeah I can never remember the name of it That's not that's not unusual in
developments that were you know 70s and 80s and even the '90s because nobody kept the watch on the developer would develop everything retain ownership of the basin and the developer would disappear So the ownership nobody owned the basin They just weren't there
anymore So in this case I think they did own it but it dissolved They did they dissolved wouldn't maintain it right and was flooding because of public safety issue But remember that's like several years ago I brought up the fact that we should do pass that ordinance to do an
assessment for anybody in case one of these fails right that anybody that drained to that had to pay to maintain it right because and once people find out that we're going to start maintaining these things we may get a lot more of them right did we pass it i I remember the conversation No I think
it was considered a tax at the time and we didn't want to get into that But in my opinion it was just in the event their basin failed It wasn't anything else Correct Because they're paying to maintain it now And it's it's going to be quite a number if some of these big ones I mean Cedar Village is a perfect example Very large detention basin very
difficult to access because of the slopes and the location of it And if we have to get in to maintain that it's going to cost us a lot of money There's no access to that at all even the tennis courts when they went to go fix that It's going to be a major problem down the line if they ever have to resurface There's no they never I think the
builder in my opinion never thought ahead to maintenance of certain things within Cedar But in the case of Cedar they I mean the HOA is still there So they are technically still responsible for whether they can get there or not Yeah But it's going to I mean they would have to really start putting money away
now or they should have started doing it They were griping about it because they were doing their sinking fund They found out how much they had to start putting away That's why they approached the mayor and said "Would you guys take things over?" Like you know that goes that's a Greg Blast That's why
I go to you and say "Hey can we do this?" And I think that's something you still may want to consider and we can you know I'll talk to Kevin about it maybe off track here but you know I think that's something we should start considering And I think it's easier to have it in place than wait till it hits us right because Greg's concern on the
assessment district is exactly what you just said on Mountain Run These things go insolvent Not that Cedar I can't see Cedar Village going in solvent However you never know right so way after we're gone if that ever happened at least if the assessment district's in place and
it's something that we discuss and decide all right we're going to do this so that we can cover snails and and then this way we protect the municipality and we can take care of what needs to be done That makes sense I'm I mean in theory because doesn't really see any reason why the association that used it all
those years isn't responsible for maintaining it right you know one way or another It's not shouldn't fall to the township just because they it's a project in the township Agreed Yeah I mean it's it's nice They have a dock over there They hang out But you and I can't go over there and go hang on the dock and you know fish even after we clean it up Even after we clean up steal
the gate up So So so back to uh um Snells So where are we now the email was sent saying we can't do it Did we give them the option of if they want to do the assessment or is that the conversation we're having now that's the conversation where we want to go My
email just be clear once over sending you over there I I'm happy to have the conversation I don't know enough about it You may not want to do that with mostly just one person around the pond I think that's part of the I'm I would be guessing or assuming here but you know we there was four people that we still
hadn't had signatures from and there was no contact after several attempts right and it may just be they don't want to do it And that's the other problem is if you get one person that doesn't want to do it we can't do a project right so that's where I think once you if you got four now that don't want to do it thinking we were paying for it once they
figure out they got to pay for it I don't think there's anybody that's going to want to do that project So and sorry last question Go ahead I think that's something that's the next step I mean once we found out this I think now we have to go back after they kind of dust cells and say the only way this could move forward if it's there's
an assessment district and this is about that's what I'm doing now I'm figuring out the cost to do that and then we'll have an estimated cost for the dredging of that pond and their particular assessment would be about and and I'm sorry backwards a couple of weeks months
or years Are we doing it for their benefit or was I know you just said about the in and out So but is it township benefit is it flooding benefit is it or is it just purely water quality benefit the pond should be 4 ft deep and it's there's like 3 in of water in there Got it Okay Thank you It'll help the
flooding Doesn't really won't help flooding a lot It'll just move water through faster right if you dredge a little nicer Thank you Okay All right Next project I have is uh the crosswalk on Sunset at Maple was part of the road program That'll be done as soon as the
weather gets a little warmer Next in Kramer Court Bridge the lights were on they're put on this week Oh nice Um the connection is being made tomorrow So the lights should be operational by the end of the week So cool That's a good thing Can we go back to sunset so and the uh
crosswalk So where are we with the um bridge chestnut yeah that's the bridge is like we haven't started that yet because I got to do some surveying work but we've got the wetlands and the dredging I mean the the wetlands the soundings and the soil sampling of
Lollipop Pond done That bridge crossing is part of that project Oh that's that's on the east end of Lollipop Pond That'll be done as soon as I get the survey work because I got to get the slope in there to find out how high the bridge has got to be Okay Okay So that'll and that that won't take as long as the other because we're going to be through several months
of permitting with the state whereas the bridge design is pretty fast Got it Thank you But I can't put the bridge in until after we dredged So that'll go last So Greg that's 26 That one is scheduled to be dredged in 20 October of the county Rob just so you know the
county agreed to you know give us pricing on it We have to see what what comes back but they're only willing to do one a year That's why fireman's first uh Lollipop second terrace because the project's not done up at C View yet And
I Where is that by the way Greg do you have any idea i know it's I think I was talking to Ricky I think they still have problem with their financing with the state Who the commission The commission the state giving them the money There's certain things they had to fulfill and he's still trying to work through that Every time they're done with one thing
they signed something else Yeah No So the state the state it's hard to believe Are you surprised you're better than me So hard to believe So is there anything we can do i mean is there anything even with the legislators i think you probably want to maybe get Vin involved
He did He did get Did Don get him involved okay So Don is Don's on top Yeah Let's uh let's if he needs our help we'll help him out But I mean if he's already on top of it Is this D that
we're dealing with that's what they they're controlling the purse strings on They he can't they won't release the funding So they can't do the work Obviously the funding is released There's no other entity involved in the state other than D Right D Yeah Okay But at least now we should be getting
the money from our old project from 2017 He said Don told me that was getting ready to get released Oh we should be getting the money this week Yeah When we That way we can at least get the bid proposals going to get the MTV started for the new project At least we'll have money Right So so the qu the reason why
I'm asking the reason why I'm concerned is because I don't want to get I don't want to get past two years and that thing's still not done and we don't we can't we have to get Terrace Pond done Well part of the thing is when we do Terrace Pond we're putting a scour hole at the front end of that right for just
that reason I She's not shy Yeah I don't know what that is If you look at like when you see a lake it's flat but the bottom there's a contour to the bottom It runs from you know high to low And what we're going to do is we're going to build a wall somewhere at a certain distance When I
figure out how much sediment we want to get in accessibility we're going to build a wall just below the water surface that holds the sediment that comes in from runoff from like C view square and anything upstream of us just in case that's all not done before we get there So that then what scour hall
Scour hall Yeah I think your question was premature because he was going like this I think if you give him a couple of seconds he would have gotten to this So Greg is the plan that if we get to 27 and that's still not done we're going to jump into the project anyway But your
your protection for that is to put that scour hole in right and the only negative to it would be we would have to probably clean it out every three to four years is even with what's going to get done up No that's if that doesn't get done Okay Why wouldn't that get done if they No
I'm just I'm just I'm just preparing another We've only been waiting seven years I mean it was I think Sylvia told me it was 2018 is when they started this thing Yeah I just I just don't want to have to go back to Terrace Pond This has been Hasn't this been in the hopper for like before co I remember when we were
there she was asking for it This is the new project No no I know it's the new project but I thought that this was in the offer way after way after way after 22 Okay But general that's why I want to make the defense of putting that in because otherwise we'd be back to the same Yeah pond again in a matter of 10
years Y it just it would be not a good thing So I get the benefit of doing it if it doesn't happen Does it hurt us if we put it in and we do get the project done no just instead of clean out after 5 years you clean out 25 years Yeah And you which is something you should do
anyway right i I think we will just because of the distance between the CV mall and usually upstream I don't think it can hurt especially if we we check it every 10 years The only thing that hurts is if somebody wants to canoe the whole length of it but you know we're going to take out a small little 200t section of
it That's really the only difference You just wouldn't be able to Where where where would that be placed at at the at the west end which is right where about where we're dredging where the third hole is Right Was it just as you come widens out there can you get that far back you can get that far back in the
canoe You have to dredge it You won't Yeah Yeah You'll be able to go all the way up to that spot Exactly Because it'll be 4 ft deep Okay How do you spell that word s C R S C O U R S O U It's a word A word Yeah that's
There you go That's a word Wait one other point So the money from 2017 But she didn't You were just 2017 is for the valve project What project was the 2017 project that we're getting money for oh no That's the commission Not us
right but that's the um that's the the flume at the east end of the delay You did that long ago We did that That was the the automated motors to automate that That was eight years ago Well that that was in the works for 10 years right to get the money and that was in the
works when I was on the delay commission a long time to get back in 2000 We were talking about that thing And then they dunk it after supertorm sand Way Yeah Way after I was done Yeah Yeah 10 at least That was that was a huge improvement because that is intense if they don't have that
automation and it didn't cost us a penny Right Um last thing well the next thing I've got is um I finally figured out the problem on Sheridan This is what Mrs Shamba called me cuz when she had originally called when we talked about this about 3 months ago she was saying
that at the intersection in front of her house So I assumed that was at Crosby and Roselle Now it's true So every time I went out there it was like there was no water there I didn't know what she was talking about and we couldn't get a hold of her Every time we kind of just missed for a while but these last round of rains I understand now because I did
get a hold of her and talk to her She actually it's not in front of her house It's in front of the neighbor's house for Crosby and Sheridan 111 401 Crosby and Sharon Oh but the other Okay The other side I think is 111 And that that intersection she's complaining because she has to drive her car through it
Correct So was I was totally missing that So that is a low spot I told her we would survey it and we can probably fix that with repaving or drainage One or the other I'm pretty sure we can do with either It's just a matter where that falls in the road program if we want to add some drainage in But I'll get the difference in cost estimate figured out
in the next week or so So she said she well she I think she had to talk to Rob first before she was okay because what she was saying to me wasn't okay She was she was hot Very nice lady Yeah she was she was nice but she was hot under the collar Um the last thing I want to talk to you about um we have a
memo from Sergeant Martinez and she had talked to me about a week ago and she talked she said that and the way I was that she wanted but no parking on Idlewood and Grant Avenue on one side of both I she asked me to look at it I I wasn't going to look at unless the council wasn't you know obviously behind
that But I mean I don't know about Grant because Grant's fairly wide I don't know why you want to put no parking on Grant but I would grant I Yeah I've gotten requests for that also I think when there's cars
on both sides it's not as wide as it like So why that street maybe because people park in the street there I think it's just cuz it's the most heavily traveled street coming out of you know from east to west It's like the main collector It seems like everybody uses that more than
any other road They It'd help if they parked by the curb No one does that That's like in the middle of the road I mean I know Grant is very heavily traveled and the biggest problem with Grant is you know we talked about the other night was the exit of Grant onto
Mammoth is impossible That's a nightmare That is a nightmare It's been a nightmare since I was a kid Yeah but um you know I don't know that the parking there I will measure the exact distance of that for the next meeting let you know but I think grant I would be kind of questioning I'll go look at Idaho if that's what you really want to if you
guys want to look into that Idlewood I would agree with it okay go ahead I'm sorry I just didn't want to go do that without your permission that's me that live here what's that I'm in favor one thumb up one thumb up uh I will ask you
Does she normally come to you for those questions before she reviews them no I think she reviews them That's her opinion And she sent them I think she probably sends them to Dave and then Dave says send it to me Did you get anything for West Lincoln but at least 6 months ago if not longer
No I didn't see anything come because there was a request for it and she was reviewing it Um I I don't remember ever seeing a response from her I know she said she was going to do it She may have gotten delayed or whatever But so what's what's the practical
ramification if you make it a one side parking only like how far down are people walking to park their car and have to get to their house and stuff i don't I think that'd be less of a problem I think more of the problem is the people that you pick to park in front of cuz obviously one side isn't going to have any parking from everybody else going to have Oh you mean like
which side you pick those people when they have company over can't park until they got to the street because you can't park on the other side Yeah I find that to be more the problem Why did I pick my side yes we flipped the coin Yeah that's the problem But if you were going to pick a side on that
road I would prefer you put no parking on the eastbound on westbound side because that's the problem with traffic coming out and you don't want to narrow it down because you can still you know as you get towards the mouth you want to have more freedom there On what do you mean on Grant you mean on Idlewood well no I'm saying if you pick Grant I would
say prefer that you park don't park on the north on your but I don't think it needs no parking there Right Right But I would I have to look at Okay And we're the other thing we're going to be putting the um no the do not enter signs on Lewis Street the end of the month
They can't go on until the left end of the month for the ordinance to pass the the time frame Those will be going in the last week of April and also the oneway sign at Wells and Lewis pointing to the south of his Speaking of signs we
ever get permission to put signs up at Ocean Commons yet for the Not yet Well we have Well we don't need the permission where the first one's going because that's on our property That's the one as you come in to show that the human services is that way and everything else is the other way There's one sign we're going to put because when you come from the one direction there's
no sign I'm sorry I meant the urban jug handle to get to 35 North Oh no Those signs No those aren't up yet And I know they're not up Are they approved huh they're approved Well the DOT requires them So I have I've got to reach out to them again DOT is a little sold The guy
that took over there's a new guy that took over this area back like last summer and he's kind of I've met with him out there once about it already and he said it has to go in So I got to have him he has to push the developer because I've already asked and I've been kind of glossed over a couple times Got it So
what do what do we do about this well I think if if you guys want me to I'll go look at Idlewood I'll make my recommendation next meeting to you about Grand and IDwood It's pretty tight with those pictures I mean you can Idlewood is crazy There's no way I agree That
that road's tough One side of your bike only But Grant I'm telling you Grant also I mean I don't have an opinion one way or another other than going down that street in the summer is like an accident waiting to happen and there's cars street and people are opening the doors and that's truly the problem
matter how wide your road is opening doors into traffic which is illegal but yeah you're not supposed but people do people are speeding down that street they're either that or Sherman and it's not speed homes So you're going to do the recommendation for Hollywood and Grand
right i I definitely go off of her echo and you just back her up and that's it I think you know she knows what she's doing when it comes to the traffic so defer you guys Okay no problem Yep That's all I had Uh Round Robin go ahead
there 1515 1515 that was submitted to the state We're waiting for our our approval letter So we got the D approval No that's what we're waiting for Everything was submitted about uh what five weeks ago four weeks ago now We have like 90 days to review it So
So I'm sorry What was what were we what did we think or what did I think that D was that we were waiting on from D previously we were wait Well what happened was that we we submitted it and they came back with a review and said that the um the water quality basin we
were putting on was not adequate They wanted a uh sand pit infiltration basin Ah gotcha So we in a different location So we had to go do two new soil logs We did that and submitted that like four weeks ago today Got it You surprised surprised that we had to resubmit it
Shocking Yeah What was your word again what was that no Was your work hard to believe Um I'm sorry Now I forgot the other one Get ahead Pass I'll come back I forgot about the other Um any update on the pipe and deal oh I know what it was The pipe on the tracks
Yeah Now we're we're scheduling a meeting We haven't come up with a two date between they've had a mayor and they they've had some changes in leadership and and the management office I just met the clerk who's doing the management of the town Uh Dave is going
to set up a meeting with her get her she's got to get her feet in there first to get settled So Dave uh actually had a meeting with a lot of the man a lot of managers in the area and he introduced me to her the other day So it's just crazy how long Yeah Okay But Greg said
once we once we hammer this out it's not real difficult I mean he said uh um transit was already already good when we went out there They have a new head engineer because my question my question to Greg was should we get this he said "No don't worry We we got the approval really." So yeah It's just a matter if
drone plans of submitting a permit we'll get the permit It's just a matter we don't want to go through the cost of doing a permit if the deal isn't going to pipe the ditch right because we can't we need the pipe dish on their side Yeah we're gonna probably need them
to get to Palone also for some sort of maybe potential storm water mitigation but Sam Ivakian can work on that Yeah So the good thing is Sam is their engineer Greg is ours and they're in the same
Yeah it works out well Okay Yeah it works out well So yeah because they are going for funding to extend the the flu They are Yeah Okay That'll probably all part of that whole So are they getting funding where are they looking for the funding from
federal funds They are That's that's that's where they're going to start Are you and Sam have you and Sam discussed that as well to see if they can get some more funding our piping Yeah Yeah We've already talked about it all That's why he's already talked with their mayor the first time That's really why he came over the first time was in agreement
with it Right But we just kind of want to I guess a little more than a a bigger commitment I guess Yeah Yeah So I guess we'll uh let on once Dave gets back he can get that meeting with her and uh and the mayor and stuff and see how see how
we handle that out Gita anything else i'm good Rob you remember we had Yeah two actually The light on Well wait Let me go Whale whale p not whale pond uh deal deal and roller roller and wheel
any updates no we told I mean I for our meeting last time I told them we I'm not going to recommend a CO for their building until they fix that light and they haven't requested the CO yet So So what what did the building at the firehouse the building is done you mean the building that they're in right now i
was just going to say that's what I was going to say They don't have a CO from my understanding Okay Yeah I'll have to talk to department They had their last supper at the other place Wow I'll have to talk to the building department because I know that they usually that requires us to recommend a CO and we did
not do that So you're not giving them a CO until that light's done And well they had 90 days based on the on the um what's the word closing They had 90 days from the closing which took place I'm going to say two weeks ago now That was what was written into the closing docks
that from what I understand Flanigan talked to somebody here Let me do it that way because I don't know remember who it was and they had 90 days to do it I don't know if that to your point it was a closing but I don't know if the CO ever got issued and if you're saying it didn't I got to find out from because
the building department is one who issues it but they they it's required my recommendation is required I can't see them moving in without having you never know Shocking But uh also they weren't what again shocking No that one I'm serious
Sorry I did talk to Craig Flanigan about that and told him that was one of my requirements Yeah So he knew about it Oh no And also the other thing was the paving of Deal Road because they broke the pavement there They have to repave Deal Road and they know about that That's also on the punch list So that's the one item that may get slid off if
they guarantee which they will have to guarantee they're going to do it But that one we made hold their feet to the fire because I don't really want to repaving that in the summertime right and by the time we figured that all out it'll be summertime Maurice said he ordered the light So okay Yeah because that's really what it was It's just a different mast head they have to the
controllers there And once you get the mast head in place it's just a matter of reprogramming the controller which is not that long It takes like a day Okay So I'm sure they're working on it but like I say they that was two weeks ago and I haven't heard from them since but I didn't realize they were in there I have to check to see if they're in there
because my guys go by there a lot They didn't say anything and I know they were we were just talking to Tom Ru and he was saying there was some Tom let us know that they hadn't finished so some for their standards So okay but I'll find out about that tomorrow While we're on the topic of lights anything on
Norwood and South Lincoln Norwood and South Lincoln Yes I I somehow got drafted into getting the JCPNL permit for that light Okay So I filed for that three days ago Oh So that should be uh a field that usually prompts a field meeting between it'll be their DOT
electrical engineer the contractor and the JCPNL So that should be pretty much they're I think all their equipment's in place I mean the boxes for the wire to be connected up So they're moving along They they need they're just waiting for the JCPNL connection before they put the poles up and energize it What would be
the timing on that [Laughter] last last summer Last summer JCPL is a hard one you know It's like it's sometimes they move fast like our br our bridge I mean they did that permit in a matter of two weeks So it's
just I don't know That was easy though because our guys doing all the work They're you know the DOT guy will do all the work too It's just a matter of getting their engineer out there to agree for the connection Okay But I'm sure it'll happen in the next couple weeks Okay That's cool That'd be great Yeah So that one I don't know when the light will be and I know all their
equipment's in It'll probably take them a couple weeks to put it up test it and go through all that Usually it's blinking at that point for a couple weeks while they're doing their testing That's cool Summertime That's good Yeah So it should be pretty close to being ready for summertime Nice Did we ever get Are we splitting I and that may be a Dave question Are we splitting it with
Longbridge or we take the whole hit i don't I don't That's a Dave question You're not What's that the light Do you know if we're taking the whole hit or was it a split with Long over there i uh He didn't get an answer from Long Branch He was looking at the other half with Long Branch right i don't think we got
an answer or I don't know if they were willing to pay for it So we should probably have uh Jesse let's get a over to get an answer from Dave when he gets back I if I recall correctly they they didn't either respond or they didn't agree to for some
for some reason I remember Dave saying we're going to take the whole thing but if he got back to John or John got back to him I don't know I think so John Palo No I didn't speak to John about No sorry Dave and John I think you're right Well done with lights Thank you Dave So Greg I saw that
they put the flashers in on Deal Road I saw DPW putting those in the pedestrian crosswalk there Are those operational at this point uh I'm not sure I got to talk to them if they're fully done Okay We got two of them I think One by Hollywood Golf Course on Stevens and I think
there's one on near Dwight there I guess Was that Donald one of those streets over there Yeah Yeah I got to ask them if they're I know they're they're in but I thought see if they're fully operational Yeah somebody called me and wanted to know if they were operational Yeah that's all I got There's one by whale pond How many did they do i'm not
positive That's great I did a couple of them No one stops So Oh yeah You meant before the lights Okay Let's hope they stop With the lights Yes You'd be surprised You Well the same one we that was put on We didn't do it but on West Park Avenue in front of the post office
Cali put that in Yeah But nobody No we we actually put that in Oh do we huh we put that in The one at Stevens is dangerous They repainted everything That that one you can't It's almost a little blind over there and you see the people in the crosswalk and people just flying
through there Where Hollywood Golf Course entrance is Stevens and Right Deal Yeah that's a tough one It's a dangerous spot Good I'm good Yeah ju just for this um the community management forest plan We
selected a um a consultant to do the work for us so we can get it done by the year I think we may have a little bit of like not understanding of actually how to cement that going forward Seems that there's been some emails kind of going back between the shade tree and the
environmental commission to kind of do that So we're probably going to have to I don't think you know the process for that So I would have to go with Dave and and kind of just say "Yeah just kind of make sure we knew the process for that." So we selected the person we notified them and now we just have to get that kind of ironed out so we could get that
moving Okay that was all I got Uh so I Rob I just checked my calendar It looks like April 15th is that fish game and wildlife meeting if you can attend 9:00 a.m You got it I tell you I
didn't know if I had put you on that We had gotten a request from a resident in regard to a deer management plan which is the you know one thing that we've been grappling with for way before even I got on council Um made a connection with uh Fish Game and
Wildlife They're going to come down They're going to meet with us again But I I think from the conversation I had with her it sounds like the ball got dropped prior to Dave um with the former
manager that was here and there were there was no response back So now whether or not we can get a deer management plan in place I'm not sure but we're going to sit down with them and they can lay everything out once
again Um and I think and I'm going to say this I think we have to make a decision either way You know we either have to completely pull the plug or we have to you know say we're going to make a decision So I you know we hopefully
this meeting will yield you know some results I I can't promise anything but at least we're going to we're going to attempt to tackle this thing And it's I I would say it's probably the most challenging issue we've ever had in the town Um the other thing uh Fiser was supposed
to be there but he was away We had a meeting uh shared service meeting with the board of ed Um we went over the current shared service agreements that they have which is custodial landscape and recycling stuff Uh the special law enforcement officers Um new on the items
for discussion um were we had talked very informally about um the public works and maintenance and seeing how we could potentially share services Uh for example they have a bus contract that
they have that uh Hagen seems to think you know if he were to get somebody else in his mix he could potentially do the bus contract depending on how the public works facility you know comes together on Cindy Lane which is another thing
we're waiting for from the D as well Greg is waiting that Yeah shocker Um but the board of ed uh indicated that there is potentially interest However they can't really make a decision because
they are not aware of the you know how much it's going to cost So they have a new maintenance uh maintenance supervisor coming in um which happens to be one of my staff members in Asbury Park So uh the
business administrator pulled my guy over from Asbury He's got to get settled And I think Higgins and him are going to meet sometime by the middle of May to discuss what areas if they were to
consider coming with us what can be shared space you know what space do they need by themselves how you know uh can the bus contract work out you know there's a there's there's some details that you know need to be worked out before they can even make a decision So
uh we mentioned the municipal hall but right now I don't think we have any uh clear guidance right now as to what we're doing because uh we have it on the agenda for I believe the planning board has to have see the area need a redevelopment with
uh Orchard Plaza and then it'll come back to the council So I don't even know where the Orchard Plaza piece is going to go at this point I think right now it's a bit of a waiting game on that uh section Um the chief is not real keen on the
board of ed property for Munis ball Um and I and I and I'll defer to the chief on you know you know what what's good what's not good uh they the superintendent wants that property you know they they they don't want to see
like houses built on it stuff they have you know their vision Um there was something and you know if we have anything else I mean I I'd like to mention something in closed potentially uh which would be contract negotiations
if we have time Oh you have to speak now You're not going downstairs No Here I have a quick blur to say I hear Okay Go ahead Julia I'm sorry Can we look well the reason why I I didn't go because I knew we were doing downstairs That's a different one That's
Oh that's sh wears a lot of hats Got a lot got to let this one thing Go ahead Julia Right there Yeah Oh yeah Sorry Greg Am I allowed to You can be the manager Where
is Mr Brown mr Brown is manager Brown Yes you can be the manager for the manager and send it to Nice to meet you I'm Julia Okay Um see what happens when you leave I did send an email out regarding the land use
ordinance versus the uh residential properties ordinance and the difference in prices for um if you take down a tree and you're a resident and you don't replace it you pay a minimum uh fee of $750 Now if you're a developer and you
take down a tree you and don't replace it they are only charged $350 So I'm here tonight um on behalf of the environmental commission to make a recommendation to you all to um revise the ordinance to make it even $750 for
developers Um the real urgency behind this is there is a three lots on Sherman Avenue that are going to be developed and there's $315 trees that are to come down on this property the three constituent properties Um so them paying
$350 a piece we're losing $126,000 the township by not having it the same What's their fee going to be if we don't change your I mean they'll be paying 110 and change,000 or if they pay the 750 a piece they'll be paying
236,250 Um I think my personal opinion developers I think it's small potatoes uh to have them pay what the residents pay So what's so simple question why is it different
why why why did the develop first and waited we we wanted to change one of the ordinances We changed the residential ordinance and it's been in place for a couple years We wanted to see how it worked out You know how it
can be enforced what what residents do and it seems to be working pretty well But we never we we decided if it works maybe we'll come back and ask for the development ordinance to be changed Yes which is what brings us here this evening Um I'd like you guys to consider
this and again there's urgency because development is happening and it's preferred to to replace the tree of course but if they have to pay a fine they should be paying what the residents pay 750 Um let me and that's a minimum
as it goes up in um DBH which is the diameter of breast height you're paying like an upwards of 3700 the larger the tree obviously from talking to people about this I'm not the one thing that we that we would want to have Dave check on this was that
if there's some kind of state ordinance that prohibits whatever we're trying to do or allows us to do what we're trying to do So that's not 100% clear if that's we've done it already Um yeah I don't know if it was I was when I was talking to somebody uh I didn't know if it was
if it was limited I don't know if there was a commercial part to this that we would that we Well that was the Okay so that was that's what I checked and that was the question I was going to ask That's what I checked on It was whether we have whether we have the ability to do that for commercial development or not So commercial I I'm going to yield
but I'm gonna say yes because we did at the ocean common the 110 tree the thousand trees they got dinged for whatever it was per tree on a commercial basis but they didn't get but residential you don't residential is three no novel
well that's where I was going to ask that's the question so where do we distinguish the the term of re residential versus developer versus commercial so if is a developer resial Yeah let me answer that question first You absolutely have the authority to to
have this tree save ordinance and and and charge a It's not really a fine I think because it probably goes into it goes into our shade tree a tree safe fund right so you replace it or you put money into the tree safe fund Um but um I'm I'm I got to tell you I'm surprised about the different levels Usually what
you see is developers gets charged more than residential and the developers complain about that And sometimes courts say you can't do that You've got to treat land owners equally Yeah I can't believe they're less than the res I remember when we passed it Yeah That's exactly
what I mean This is backwards of the way it usually is The residents being charged more than than developers However they're defined I mean usually towns let their residents off easier than that But they really should be equal It should be a land owner not not a developer Now you could you could have
you know different grades It's like if you take down one tree it's one price and more trees it's a different price Yeah But changing it by who the land owner is you really shouldn't be They should be the same So everyone should be paying 750 Okay Then my next question at
the minimum right so personally I'm in favor of that Whatever it is it should be consistent and landowner makes more sense to different as opposed to differentiating between residential developer and commercial Well my next question is going to be just the way you used the word you used that this is
going to happen So have they already put an application in um it went not yet So they haven't put an application in to the planning or zoning board yet no When do you think that's happening because there's no way we're going to get an ordinance fixed before they put um I'm
not sure Bill Brooks is aware of it Yeah see where I'm going with applying for something and he rejected it So I'm not sure where it's there's a pretty clear rule It's called the time of application rule that when developer files an application whatever law is in place at
that time is what applies no matter what that's why we're trying to get and even if we do it and they put it in we're still you know have 20 days even after that So I mean that's why it's urgent to have anyway Yeah Yeah I mean retrospective there's a lot you may lose
this one but you'll have the future Yes I know you know of other sales going on in town and ultimately the lands are going to be developed and we don't want to see any trees come down Um so I mean I absolutely think they should
be at least what we're doing even I have to say you know Kevin you just answered my question I guess we can't charge them more because you said there's case law that says they have to be equal with the resident right yeah they they should be equal And I don't have a problem with
that The the only issue I have the I have to say the the tree form is very confusing I've gotten very I've gotten calls from many people talking to me about why do I have to turn a survey in i'm only taking one tree down Why am I
getting charged and I I'm like you know even me I get confused because I'm like am I reading this thing wrong do do you know do we have to pay for the one i mean I've gotten my questions answered I think we have to make the form a little
I think it needs some work user friendly Yeah And I also had made suggestions you know with this you know with the tree ordinance even with um you know with the residents that I think we really need to look at because I I find it to be
um disparity in treatment I find that if you're on the east side with a smaller lot I'm and I'm on the and I've said this for years and I'm on the west side with a bigger lot I'm held to the same standard that the smaller lots are the 50 by 100 He's allowed three and I'm
allowed three but I have 5,000 trees on my yard So I think there's I I I've asked to maybe look into this I know we've sp we've spoken Bill Brooks has spoken So but about this about this topic you do What can we Okay there we
go That's what I like tonight Tonight nothing tonight but you can ask for the ordinance be amended at your next meeting So can we can we do that now we have to do it in public development No you do it now No now it's fine Uh yeah You mean to make a motion no just say it Oh yeah Yeah Can we just Can we have
They're going to She'll draft Yeah For the next meeting if you want to bring Do we all agree that Or we can meet in advance We can take a look You don't have to come back We can meet We can go over whatever you want to do
Biggest trees that he's got to work on I'm not talking the fee I'm talking about um knows what I'm talking about Oh oh I'm sorry DV8 Sorry Diameter at the breast Yeah
40 in I'm sorry You're like and if you all don't know Pen Lots he's been on the EC for 51 years Julia thank thanks for doing all this Thank you for getting us on Just want to remind everybody before we
get started that all our council meetings will be audio and videotaped and they'll be shown on the township of oceans community cable channel 22 on Verizon FiOS and channel 77 on cable vision Can I have a roll call please mayor Neklatani here Deputy Mayor Fischer here Council member Zachera Yes
Kaplan Weinstein here Can everyone please stand for a pledge of allegiance and remain standing as we do a silent prayer i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all Please remain standing You may be seated The notice requirements of the open public meetings act for this meeting have been satisfied and in a copy of the annual notice was sent to the Aspbury Park Press and the coaster posted in
town hall and of the off of the office of the municipal clerk on January 3rd 2025 There are two exit emergency exits to my right that'll take you to the front of the building one that'll take you to the rear Please make sure that all cell phones are turned off If you
need to make a call kindly step outside Um we're going to have council comments and then we have a few presentations this evening I'm going to start down at the end with Deputy Mayor Dave Fischer Thank you Mayor I just want to remind everybody the second annual Ocean Township 5K is going to be occurring on
May 4th at Paleo Park I believe there's a sense of urgency to sign up because there's only a few t-shirts left So uh get your running shoes on Rob you running this year i am not I have a conflict this year I am Jesse's running So so we are representative I'm running
too I'm running too Jeff is running You're always running Jeff All right that's all I've got Mayor thank you Thank you Deputy Mayor Councilwoman Kaplan I just have a few holidays coming up Just happy Passover Happy Easter to all those who celebrate
Have a nice spring season Thank you Councilwoman Councilman Sarah Uh we have we the Greater Ocean Township Chamber of Commerce has their annual wine some chocolate Nope they don't call it chocolate and I apologize Wine and taste
I think No it's wine No it's not cheese either Stein winestein I think it's my mom with you My uh wine chocolate and more Sorry May 8th uh you can go on the website Greater Ocean Township Chamber of Commerce.org
uh looking for vendors If you know people that uh cheese is available but any type of food bank cookies will be there We just got them Uh there'll be breweries wineries uh food It's over at the Allenhurst in Allenhurst at the
Antique Center Antique Center Thank you John Uh the Antique Center Uh always a great time Over 100 people show up Uh it's uh $20 for members 25 for non-members 30 for future members So uh May 8th and it's about two hours 5:30 to
8 o'clock I believe More details but you can get it on the website Thank you Mr Mayor Thank you Councilman Weinstein Thank you Mayor Rob were you talking to future members about the kids joining at some point we do have We can have future members there I don't think there's an age limit so you're welcome to join Um
just a couple of things One is first I just want to uh welcome the people from the Sha Tree uh commission and and the kids for doing the video and great to see that It's going to be a nice nice thing we're all going to see Um uh the um the contest for the video for the
public service announcement contest that we're going to have is due on uh April 22nd I believe Is that right Ed april 22nd Right So make sure make sure you're involved in that In addition to what uh uh Council uh Deputy Mayor Fischer was
talking about not only is there the race but there's also Greenfest that afternoon or right after it So um if you have anything that you want to uh display or a vendor or something from the schools you know feel free Um there's some things being circulated on
social media around it So um if you have any questions feel free to call me or call anybody else on the uh Greenfest Commission Um and on the 27th of April there is the tree giveaway uh at the senior center for um for third graders and people who want a tree So um come by
and get that as well And I think that was all I have Uh happy I guess spring break is coming up for all the kids and so have a good uh Passover Easter and a nice spring break for everybody Thank you Councilman Sure Uh couple of announcements I want to first give kudos
to the public works department Received a call from Bob Feldman who lives up not Bob Felman um uh Hersfeld and uh the public works department went out took care of a situation behind his property uh that's actually owned by the
municipality He had me on the phone for about 10 minutes today bragging about the public works department and how how great of a job they did and how much work they did to clear up the mess that was back there So I thank the public works department everybody that was involved with that Thank you very much
on behalf of the council Um I also want to give kudos to the recck department They did the annual Easter egg hunt on Saturday It was extremely well attended They had such a great crowd The kids had a blast And as you know the weather wasn't that great So having it indoors
as we've been doing it every year has been really really a good uh good move Um and many people have been asking about Outback Well glad happy to say that their uh ribbon cutting is on I believe it's Wednesday the 16th 10:30 at
10:30 a.m They are going to be officially open So you can get into Outback enjoy some stakes right here in town Uh without further ado we are going to have a presentation by the Sha Tree Commission And I see some of our younger
students out here that are going to give the presentation And Patty I'm glad that you got everybody out here So kids I'm going to turn it over to you and you're going to run the program now for a few minutes And we're going to cut the Okay And then they're going to go They're They're on
the highlight left Remember you guys are on TV No Yeah they're on TV Patty doesn't care She's used to it Yeah Really well I'm Patty Cronheim and I'm uh I serve on the Shea Tree Commission and I'm the chair of the newer Shea Tree Planning Committee which is a
subcommittee of the Sha Tree Commission Uh the Sha Tree Commission's role as you know is to maintain and improve the tree canopy The Sha Tree Planning Committee's role is to help create the next tree plan that will guide how we're going to do that over the next 5 years And the sha tree planning committee is made up
of people from department of public works school district planning committee the environmental committee the sha tree commission to make sure we have different perspectives and good coordination within the township And early on we recognized that a big part of the committee's work was to listen We
met with groups ranging from garden club waterheds to the sewage authority But we realized that the people we still need to hear from most are Ocean Township residents And in order to create a plan that's equitable for all Ocean Township residents we need to be sure that our
outreach includes people who live in Ocean Townships overburdened communities along the Route 35 corridor where the tree canopy is thinnest And it's crucial to be inclusive because trees are not only beautiful but research shows communities with access to trees and green spaces and have experienced
improved health outcomes decreased crime rates lower average temperatures decreased flooding and a surge in economic growth Everyone should be able to sit in the shade and have roads that are passable so they can get to work in school after heavy rain So to get feedback from our community we've
created a survey that asks people about trees and flooding in their neighborhoods Now the survey is bilingual It's anonymous unless people choose to reach out to us and we would love to hear from anyone who wants to share with us ideas on improving their community and includes a mapping tool
that enables people to identify areas in which they live so we get a better idea of what people in different communities are experiencing And then our next task well how do we get this survey in front of people well the committee and the school district got together and thought it would be a great idea to work with students to create anformational video
to let people know about the survey And who better to inform the public about the importance of trees than the future generation that will inherit them So the school district has a very effective communication system which will also be very helpful they can share all the
survey the survey with all the parents of the schools in uh students in the district and in addition to the school communication network starting tomorrow we'll also be sharing the video and survey uh through the website newspaper township YouTube it'll be in the newsletter and social media sites and
what a great way to celebrate Earth Month So tonight we're excited to preview our collaborative video to you but before we do that I want to thank everyone involved which is basically like everybody sitting here So first of all I want to and those who aren't we want to thank Chairman Colton and the Sha Tree Commission and Mayor Npalitani
and the Township Council for your encouragement We want to thank Dave Brown and Tracy Burkowitz and uh Jesse Joseph for administrative support We want to thank Ed Defilia for talent talent management Um I want to thank my amazing team on the Sha Tree planning committee Uh Steve Higgins Ken Lutz
Patrick Sullivan Julia Cerante and Angelie Baxi Uh Patrick did a great job coordinating us with the schools Julia did a wonderful job with the mapping work on the survey and Angelie Baxi managed the details of the survey uh just brilliantly and worked on the video
We also want to thank Sarah Galloway who is an award-winning documentarian and uh Ocean Township resident for volunteering her talent in editing and all things post-prouction It would not look the way it looks without her And we want to thank everyone at Ocean Township Schools who worked on this project uh
Superintendent Kelly Weldon for generously allowing us to work with her faculty and students and utilize her communication system Fran Burke at communications Senora Duncan for the translation Mike Houston who worked on the kids with video and messaging and of course Megan Edson uh the science
teacher who helped shepherd the students on this project and taught them all about trees And finally we want to acknowledge the Ocean Township Intermediate School students themselves who work so hard even when it wasn't a school day Right kids So be Bella
Defilia Emma Flanigan and Toshi Baxi And you're going to hear from them in a minute You know this all started with an idea Let's be inclusive Let's be coordinated Working trees do the most good to improve temperatures flooding and health And this video is a part of that is a part of reaching those goals
All right Toshi you want to get the lights if you all can't see grab a good seat and get your popcorn and enjoy this collaboration of the township tree commission and Ocean Township Schools trade show PSA You're not doing on my on
my thing Okay Okay Oh I have to It's been a long meeting call please Oh yeah Very nice All right Hi I'm Emma And I'm Bella We're students
at Ocean Township Intermediate School We're teaming up with our local shade tree commission on a survey that will help us create greener and healthier communities in Ocean Township Take our survey so we can figure out where you think more trees are needed
Hi I'm Toshi Did you know that trees like this one protect our precious water like Cal Springs here trees prevent flooding and we need trees to provide shade that will lower temperatures on the hottest summer days Trees lower carbon emissions and help us all breathe
easier Trees make us healthier They clean the air we breathe and they're beautiful Trees are fun Imagine a world without trees What would we do and having access to trees is the right for everyone in Ocean Township Please complete the attached survey Your
participation in chores that should be planted where they're needed most Let's work together to keep ocean cancer green for us and for future [Music] generations all volunteer all volunteer
So give it up for these guys because it was a lot of work And now I'm going to turn it over to uh Angelie Baxi and she's going to introduce the next section of our presentation And thanks again Angelie the millions of details and doing a survey Patty that before you go that QR code
can you send it over to us so we can put it up on social media for you Okay Yeah I'm going to I was going to after this I'm sending it around Send it to us We'll share it out That's good Y they wanted us to wait till it
was going to be published tomorrow Floor is yours Thank you Um I'm Angelie Baxi So I'm one I'm a Wayside resident and I am Can you just get a little closer i'm sorry No that's okay Um sorry we get a little lower Um so my name is Angelie Baxi and I'm a Wayside resident
and I am a mom of some kids in our middle school and I'm on the environmental commission and I'm on the planning committee of the um shade tree commission for this project And I wanted to just introduce our consumate teacher Megan Edson who has been shephering
shephering our children um not just these but our uh middle school kids in in their science classes She has been amazing She heads all of our environmental initiatives at the school She has chickens She runs she runs the
garden club She's done she's gotten solar panels for the garden Like she she really is such a committed teacher to this cause and she really has um really helped these children um with this project and really um expressed a lot of
enthusiasm in partnering with us and we really are lucky to have her as a teacher in our district I really want to you know really thank her Hi I'm Megan Edson Um so in the beginning of the school year my supervisor reached out to all of the
science teachers and asked if we wanted to collaborate with the Shade Tree Commission And um during the summer I took a workshop on urban heat islands and I just finished teaching it to Emma and Bella And I was like "Oh my gosh this is perfect it goes exactly along
with what we're learning right now Um so they are here to teach you some of the lessons that we did in class so that you can understand why they wanted to work on this project So we have Toshi Emma and Bella
[Applause] Thank you so much On this video concept Yes Hi everyone I'm Bella I'm Emma Today we're going to talk to you about urban
islands flooding and how we need trees in Ocean Township So New Jersey is one of the biggest growing urban heat islands in America and the first in the northeast So urban heat island effect is
this phenomenon when cities increase in temperature much faster than surrounding rural or suburban areas as they lack the vegetation like trees to cool it down and they have high heat absorbing surfaces like pavement or roads And that
combines with a lot of cars and fans and air conditioners producing heat throughout the city So they heat up a lot faster And so this especially affects overburdened areas and vulnerable communities as they have higher costs
for things like air conditioning and they have higher heat related health risk as they have less access to trees And so studies showed that the urban heat island can increase temperatures as much as 10° But when we measured it outside painting different
colors to represent the different surfaces we found a different at difference as big as 30° And so trees not only help with fighting urban heat islands but they also help combat flooding as Emma will tell you
So Ocean Township has been experiencing more flooding due to a sea level rise which is affected by climate change Um on average on sorry on average um 50% of
sea level rise is because of ice caps and glaciers melting and the other 50% is from thermal expansion New Jersey is experiencing this at a quicker rate because of the Wisconsin glacier which
is causing New Jersey to sink It's said that um when sea level rises by one foot hund hundreds of feet inland can be covered with
water Ocean Township is also being affected by sunny day flooding when high tides when high tides flood streets without any rain and Bella will be explaining how shade trees are a simple
solution So a big reason for the urban heat islands and flooding in Ocean Township is because we've been cutting down a lot of trees to make new developments and we don't really replace the trees after this which is bad because we need trees to help mitigate the flooding by acting as natural
umbrellas and absorbing the water We also need them to create more shade to cool down areas to prevent ocean from becoming an urban heat island You can see on the map the overburdened areas like here and here don't have a lot of the tree canopy which is the dark green
areas We will be taking any questions about the map Now maybe not the map but the 30° difference in one location to another What were the two locations it was a tree It provided shade and then right outside of it So
it's the exact same location just either under the tree or not under the tree I have a question Can So you show us like different portions of town where we have some pretty good canopy but other portions where we don't have as much canopy
This area north this is where our school is We have a lot of wood surrounding it But as you go down it's just there's a lot of houses and you go east there's a lot of development and so there's just not as much space for trees There's all these big commercial buildings and so a
lot of it in the top right top left corner that's where we have like the most trees and it kind of spreads out I think it's interesting to see how it all lines up different So this is a map of like all the roads of Ocean
Township that we made just to represent it So the green are like the open fields like Joe Pa we have where there's not a lot of trees but they are still there in the open green areas right so it's not buildings but it's like the golf course
and and the park Okay The next area are where like most of the developments are So like the areas where the apartments are the shopping complexes and our schools That's the red That's the necessary red
Yeah it was just the markers that I had The paint Sharpies don't work so they have to be the oil base Great Those are the colors that I had And we teachers don't get school supplies either So this is perfect I'm with you on that
So then this is a map of the flooding which goes across town We got this from FEMA reports And then the last one is this is the tree canopy as we showed you So this is where a lot of the really dense forests
and tree areas are in town So there are trees along all the roads but they're more spread out not not as dense So it was very hard to make the map It took days of them coming to lunch and in class making the map So we figured we
would narrow it down to like really densely where you see a lot of the trees You guys are lucky you got a science teacher like this Seriously you have no idea As an educator for 26 years this is extremely impressive Yeah I am very
impressive Yeah Great job Do you want to demonstrate the real so we don't have water but they made a 3D map to explain Most people don't know that we had a glacier on the northern part of New Jersey
So we usually have water in there so you can kind of see but so 100,000 to 11,000 years ago the Wisconsin glacier was on the northern part of New Jersey causing the tip of it to rise up out of the water But since
then it has since then it has melted and it's not there anymore So now New Jersey has sunk back into the water So like cities like Atlantic City and Kate May are flooding more
frequently and so without trees we're going to be like start sinking more quickly questions I I was I was kind of curious Do you know what the how many what's the deficit on the number of trees we need to kind
of reverse reverse this thing or not that far along in our research yet um to reverse I mean we're not going to be able to reverse or at least stall it reverse sunny day flooding especially with a lot of it is just the all the
development we've done doesn't absorb any of the water so the water just stays on top of the roads Um how many trees it's done it's done as a percent of flooding where we not only protect those areas but downstream but
we build and build and build as well That's what we're going to be looking at and that's where do we need to practical how much funds do we have to plant the goal is 30% three trees 30
trees 30% from any kind of access to a green space is the goals nice very good that's good that's probably that's That's probably a good perspective to get out to everybody Yeah
we got a question over here How long would it take for completely that's why you asked the science teacher that it won't completely sink But I think we've seen a lot by like 2050 how how much of a problem it's going to be
how much sea level is going to rise and [Laughter] guys Thank you very much for the presentation I uh I also want to thank a couple of people out here and kids if you don't mind I don't want to dismiss you yet because we have uh I I have a
proclamation I want to give out I'd like you to hear it when we come down to give the proclamation because I think it's pretty important But before I do that I want to thank Carol and Sarah for their volunteer work with the um they're out
there digging up uh what were you digging up the other day Carol it was a I'm sorry for the garden club So Ocean Township is big with the volunteer group I have I have the garden club here We have our environmental commission chairman out
here Ed DeFiglia So oh wait environmental commission is Julia Sermont Planning board chairman is Ed DeFiglius So it's nice that we have a good volunteer base out here that does a lot for this community And I really want to thank you all for being involved
especially being in support of the Shade Tree Commission as well Ken thank you for your service as well Kenny Lutz you guys have done a great job Thank you very much I'm going to come down off the day as all of us are We have um National Donate Life Month and kids I'd like you
to hear and then then I'm going to dismiss you Okay [Music] So this one's uh a little bit special to me I have Jackie Patterson Come on up Jackie And I have my wife Michelle Naplatani coming up here Ladies come on
over here cuz you're the center of attention for a couple of minutes here Come on up ladies Come on over here You can stand next to me It's okay I don't bite So my wife has been an employee of
Metronic which is the next town over in Eatontown And Metronic is a medical device company that my wife works in the spine and biologics division Uh Michelle has been an integral part of that company She's very big on giving back
She ju she does a a heck of a lot for the food bank She raised over $60,000 this year which is completely impressive But the one area it's big That's a big for for those of you guys that don't
realize $60,000 for the food bank was huge So I really very very impressive thanks to her and the team that she's put together But the one area that my wife really excels in is the donor area
And I know not a lot about what your company does and what you do because everything's like top secret over there in Eaten Town But I'm going to let my wife and Jackie explain a little bit and then I want to just read one portion of the proclamation for donate life month So go ahead I'm going to turn over to
the ladies Thank you very much Thank you for the accolades on the the food bank That's a team effort that we enjoy doing every year and raising the bar for what we can do in our community And every dollar allows the food bank to
provide three meals So their dollars go a lot further than ours do How many meals did she get so if there's a $20 donation how many meals does that provide 60 Yes So with the funds that we raised
and with the food we collected we raised enough during our uh neighbors helping neighbors food drive to make over 181,000 meals available for Mammoth and Ocean County So we were super psyched to
uh achieve those results a lot of uh labor of love But today and I cannot believe I was just saying to Jackie I can't believe it's been a year since we were up here It seems like yesterday we were speaking about donor awareness and here we are April 2025 So April is National Donate Life
Month It's time to raise an awareness about organ eye and tissue donation and to honor those who have given the gift of life through donation And although Jackie and I don't work for Donate Life America or even our new our
sharing network tissue bank in the state of New Jersey we advocate we do our part to advocate for donation uh because we see firsthand how far the donor tissue goes and how many lives are saved or enhanced due uh because of these
unselfish gifts to donate Uh so here in uh in at Metronic in Eatontown we work with the muscularkeeletal donor tissue and we um we make quite an impact with the spine and biologics uh medical
devices that were able to uh transform from these donated tissues into u you know into graphs that help people around the world So we have a real strong global reach But as if the medical devices were not enough and we're not here to sell
medical devices because Metronic is doing a fine job at that We're here to tell you we have the the honor to work and see and connect with donor families hear the patients stories So as we're all doing our jobs Jackie and quality
and I'm working on us in sourcing and operations and working with supply chain we can step back and say "Wow we see firsthand when we meet donor families who lost loved ones We see the silver lining at the end of the day when they hear how many other people th those
loved ones uh touched and helped and helping to make that connection is is a priceless uh gift and experience that we have at at Metronic So we're here to advocate for Donate Life America for New Jersey Sharing Network for the gift of
donation and um yeah just to do our part to let folks know that if they do have questions about how to become a donor and what goes into it and and and all the details the New Jersey Sharing Network is our is the New Jersey organization to to get more information and we can help with that as well And
Jackie you've got some updates about and events coming up We have the New Jersey Sharing Network does a 5K walk run and walk Could do either one It's a a walk or ascension run to May 17th at Ocean Grove And you can either
join us and walk or run or sponsor us There's a QR code you can use here to do both of those Yes And you'll see it's fun and it's encouraging You see a lot of families and people who I just went to an event last weekend and I met a a
woman who was a living donor for her father six years ago gave him a kidney and it's amazing And then we met another gentleman who also got a kidney and they had almost the exact same stories but it's amazing that they're still living you know they have extra life I have a
cousin who was a double lung transplant and she um it's she got five more years She's since passed but she got five more years with her granddaughters And you know you can't put a price on that So it's nice It is And tomorrow April 11th is National Day Green Day So
we'll be wearing our blue and green I have to wear these shoes again And something else Um right And the whole month right so it's going to be a a wonderful day tomorrow We have other events going on at Metronic uh around our donor garden where we honor the
donor families and the um and the and the community So uh we just want to thank you for allowing us to to raise an awareness and if you have any questions we're here and we also have friends at the sharing network that can share even more information for you Okay so thank
you and if you do want to donate it's www.njsharingnetwork.org Um we're not going to read the entire proclamation I'm just going to read the bottom part that says "Now therefore be it proclaimed by the mayor and governing body of the township of ocean that we do hereby proclaim April 2025 as donate
life month in the township of ocean And we urge all residents to join me in promoting organ and tissue donor education throughout National Donate Life Month." Thank you ladies This is your proclamation You can hang the new one up in the office And now you're
happy that you've got it [Applause] And swag and pens And I was going to give them to maybe I should but I'm thinking kids
want to hang around You're dismissed Okay calling the meeting back to order So we have one item under individual action uh which is to approve the introduction of the
2025 municipal budget Do I have a motion to approve the introduction of the municipal budget i'll make a motion Second I'll second Roll call A chair yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes So excited
Yes I'm still sorry Neutanti Yes Never ends with this guy Yeah No Next up is the consent agenda All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered routine by the township council and will be enacted by one motion in the form
listed below There are no separate discussions on these items If discussion is desired on any item that item will be considered separately The purpose of the public portion is to solely ask questions to understand resolutions that appear on this agenda and is not an occasion for a public hearing on an
ordinance All questions not related to an item on this agenda should be asked during the public comments portion at the conclusion of the meeting Do I have any questions as it relates to the consent agenda resolutions and vouchers
seeing here none do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda make a motion to approve the consent agenda Second I'll second Roll call A chair Yes Hold on Slow down Smokey Okay Sorry Uh yes on all but number four and number eight
Okay Okay Thank you You're welcome Kaplan Wininstein Yes And Nutanic Yes Vouchers in the amount of 2,49,77410 Someone please offer I'll offer Second Second Roll call Yes
We chair I'm just being like Jeff He's jumping the gun I figured I'd get you I knew I was first Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Nabau County Yes Ordinance is up for adoption We have ordinance 25001 which is an ordinance
amending and supplementing chapter 2 of the revised general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled administration section 2-10.2 fees for copies section C Can I have someone please open public discussion on ordinance 251 i move to
open public discussion on ordinance 25001 Second Second Roll call A chair Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Neatani Yes Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 251 please step up to the microphone State your name and address
for the record Seeing here none do I have a motion to close public comment on ordinance 251 I move to close public comment on ordinance 25001 Second Second Roll call Aera Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein
Yes Neatani Yes Action on ordinance 251 I move to approve ordinance 25001 and publish according to law Second Second Roll call Aera Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Naplei Yes That ordinance
passes 251 passes Um ordinance 252 which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 6 of the revised general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled building section 6-1.3 fees Can someone please open
public discussion on ordinance 252 i move to open public discussion on ordinance 252 Second Second Roll call Aera yes Fisher yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes Nepotenni yes Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 252 please step up to
the microphone state your name and address for the record Uh Peter Young 610 Deal Road The subject of this is fees and I guess uh just for some context these fees are being raised from
the last time they was go ahead I'm sorry These fees are just new fees A new fee structure Yes Uh new fees new fee structure It's increasing building fill And do we know
how much of an increase it might have been from the last time we said that as a town no I would suggest you contact the manager next week He'll be able to fill you in on that Thank you Yes sir Anyone else wishing to be heard seeing here none do I have a motion to
close public discussion on ordinance 252 i move to close public discussion on ordinance 252 Second Second Roll call Achara yes Fischer yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes Natalani yes Action on ordinance 252
i move to approve ordinance 252 and publish according to law Second Second Roll call A chair Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Mutenna Yes That ordinance also passes Ordinance 253 which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 16 of the revised
general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 entitled parks and playgrounds section 16-5.6 rental fees Someone please open public discussion on ordinance 253 I move to open public discussion on ordinance 253 Second Second Roll call
Aera Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Wininstein Yes Nutend Yes Anyone wishing to be heard on ordinance 253 please step up to the microphone state name and address For the record Jackie Wel 610 Deal Road Can you just um explain a
little bit more about it the rental fees It's for the It's just for the tennis and pickle ball courts 25 to 75 per court for an hour So it's raising them or it's just uh I don't It's introducing it Introducing They never had these before Okay Okay Thank you
Anyone else wishing to be heard seeing none do I have a motion to close public discussion on ordinance 253 i move to close public discussion on ordinance 25003 Second Second Roll call Aera yes Fisher yes Kaplan yes Weinstein
yes Maple yes Action on ordinance 253 I move to approve ordinance 253 and publish according to law Second Second Roll call Aera yes Fischer yes Kaplan yes Weinstein yes Matenni yes Uh
ordinance 253 passes Introductions Ordinance 254 which is an ordinance amending ordinance number 2338 entitled an ordinance fixing salaries and compensation of certain offices positions and employees in the township of a motion Someone please
introduce ordinance 254 I move to introduce ordinance 25004 Second Second Roll call Aera Yes Fisher Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Yes that will have its public hearing on the 8th of May Ordinance 255 which is an ordinance
amending and supplementing ordinance number 2343 entitled an ordinance amending the revised general ordinances of the township of ocean 1965 relating to personnel policies practices and procedures Someone please introduce ordinance 255 I move to introduce
ordinance 25005 Second Second Roll call Aera Yes Fischer Yes Kaplan Yes Weinstein Yes Natalani Yes That too will have its public hearing on May 8th Ordinance 256 which is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 2 of the revised general ordinances of the
township of ocean 1965 entitled administration section 2-5.7 Department of Public Works and section 2-5.9 Department of Human Services Someone please introduce ordinance 256 I move to introduce ordinance 256 Second
Second Roll call A chair yes Fisher yes Kaplan yes Wininstein yes Nutent Yes That too will have its public hearing on May 8th Anyone from the public wish to be heard on anything germanine to the town of a ocean please step up to the
microphone State your name and address for the record Jackie Jackie Wel 610 Deal Road Again um I thought we were having a budget meeting this evening That's an introduction to the budget The public hearing will be next uh month May Oh okay Okay So that that was I
misunderstood Yeah that's okay Anyone else wishing to be heard please step up to the microphone State your name and address for the record Seeing here none do I have a motion to adjurnn so moved All in favor or second actually Second
All in favor i don't think sir Meeting is adjourned All right All right