okay call the meeting to order and Nicole if we may have a roll call present here here here
yes here here okay and also present attorney Mark lexin yes uh board planner James Higgins board engineer Bennett so used to calling you Ben Matt laac and Colleen uh mayor planning administrator we will
stand for the salute to the flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice okay the notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this
meeting have been satisfied a copy of the notice having been sent to the Asbury Park Press in the coaster and filed in the office of the Township Clerk there is an emergency exit through the courtroom doors and two exits at the rear of the room there will be no smoking no new cases will be started
after 9:00 p.m. and no new testimony taken after 9:30 p.m. in addition the applicant will be limited to 45 minutes of testimony all meetings will be video and audio taped and shown on the township of oceans Community cable channel channel 22 on Verizon FiOS and
channel 77 on cable vision all cell phones must be turned off if you need to make a call please make your call outside of the meeting room we have the following resolutions to be memorialized um from December 3 Oakwood Avenue block
12.07 Lot 1 Oakhurst in the R5 Zone Saleem 55 LLC 318 Park View Avenue block 14010 lot 11 ocean in the R4 Zone Susan padaa and Jill salvino 1219 Air Avenue
block 202 lot 9 ocean in the R4 Zone Jerry garine and I will offer for December is there a second for those is there a second I'll second okay um Nicole
yes yes yes okay the following memorializations are from January 713 Asbury Avenue block 14017 lot 11 ocean T1 per naone 150
Amper Avenue block 2.02 Lot 4 Ur Zone R4 Iden ches 197 Delaware Avenue block 25.15 lot 65 Oaker Zone R4 197 Delaware LLC and 1410 woodlock Avenue block 120
lot 6 ocean zone R six Terry Sant and will someone offer who was here I'll offer is there a second second yes
yes yes yes not here okay the next resolution for memorialization 491 South edgmere Drive block block 76 Lot 2 West Allenhurst in
the R5 Zone this is a denial Moser and I will offer s second second and again it only can be the people who voted to deny the application oh well who who can who can second it yeah who can second I offered she made the
motion I'll second a yes vote is to accept the resolution yes yes keep going yes okay the following cases are carried to March 20th 2025 needing to
Ren notice I aat Services LLC 1418 Highway 35 Oakhurst 07755 in the zone 0-140 I aat Services LLC 922 Highway 35 ocean 07 712 in the zone
C5 our first case Doug osmosi block 32 lot 6 6 Phoenix Parkway Oakhurst 07755 Zone R4 the applicant seeks approval to construct a one-story addition towards the rear of the existing dwelling minimum boths side yard setbacks
required is 25 ft where 22.7 ft is proposed this side is an undersized 80t by 118 ft lot that is occupied by a one-story dwelling The Zone R4 Zone requires a minimum 90ft lot width 80 exist and a minimum lot area of 10,000
ft 9,440 square feet exists and Mr osmosi if you can raise your right hand do you affirm to tell the truth the whole truth we do okay I will actually turn it over to Mr Higgins and Mr matlack well let me just Mark in the exhibits before we
before you do that uh exhibit A1 is I know Mark doesn't do it but I I like ex exhibit A1 is the variance application itself exhibit A2 is the survey of the property prepared by Morgan engineering exhibit A3 is the sketch the proposed addition exhibit A4
are the color photographs of the property exhibit A5 is the tax map of the township of ocean and then we have the following board exhibits which are we'll start with exhibit B1 as in board one board planners report dated January 7th 2025 exhibit D2 will be the board
Engineers report dated 1223 2024 Revis 1722 exhibit B3 is the engineering approval from the town engineer dated 12424 and then the final exhibit is exhibit B4 which is a zoning officer report dated 122
2024 okay Mr Higgins and then Mr matlet okay now I'll summarize basically it's an undersized lot the lot areas under under under the area that's commed required the lot width is supposed to be 90 ft the lot width is 80 feet um
proposing to have the setbacks on either side be 10 be greater than 10 ft which the minimum which is the minimum required by the ordinance for one side so both sides do exceed the setback for one side but when you combine the two side yard setbacks they're about 2 and 1
12 ft less than what the 25 ft the ordinance requires I don't really have a problem I mean if it were conforming lot their setbacks would be 32 ft not 22 ft so that's literally the only variance yes that that is the only
variance Mr Matt I don't have any okay and Mr osmosi um I'm assuming this is a need that you have my wife is pregnant it's a three bedroom one bathro house we're just trying to make it a little bigger put a second bathroom in
there due in July so yeah trying to get it going thank you any questions from the board okay are there any questions from the public okay motion to close the public
hearing I'll second all in favor any opposed okay uh someone offer a resolution positive resolution I'll second and I believe we need a roll call
individually yes yes yes yes yes yes okay best of luck thank you next case Michael Celler and beer ess's block 22
lot 7 324 Roosevelt Avenue oakers 07755 Zone R4 the applicant proposes to remove an existing single family dwelling and construct a new single family dwelling with covered front and side porches and a covered rear Terrace they are also proposing an inground pool a cabana with
trellis outdoor kitchen outdoor shower four air conditioning condensers and one generator it does not meet the required lot width the ordinance requires a minimum lot width of 90 ft the existing and proposed lot withd is 80 feet and same I will turn it over to Mr Higgins
and Mr matl let me just I'll do I'll do the exhibits if you don't mind uh ex exhibit A1 will be the variance application exhibit A2 will be the site grading soil erosion of siment sediment control plan exhibit A3 will be the architect the architectural plan and then the board's exhibits will be
exhibit B1 will be the board planers report exhibit B2 will be the board Engineers report and exhibit uh B3 will be the zoning officer report okay Mr Higgins U this is somewhat similar to the prior application except that they're knocking down an existing house
and building a whole new house once they knock the existing house down the board has to look at it and the town has to look at it as if it's a vacant lot and they're requesting to build a house on a vacant lot the only variance they need is the lot width variance or the lot
width variance the ordinance requires 90 ft this lot width is 80 feet that can't be corrected everything else fully conforms so I have absolutely no problem with the application Mr matlet
coule one is that they're taking the existing driveway out and they're putting in a new uh horseshoe driveway so you're going to have three uh there's one existing curb cut and then there going to be two new uh the curb and
sidewalk associated with that takes up about more than 50% of the full front so I'd recommend that the the full length of the curb and sidewalk be replaced instead of uh trying to to patch it and uh meet the existing because I I just don't think it's going to look uh very
good um the other thing is that the uh there's a bathroom and a laundry room proposed in the basement um I recommend that the applicant uh verify the depth of the sanitary sewers in the road thr that on the plan so they can determine whether or not any type of ejector pump
is required and then any uh Utility Services if they're going to be given to the new house should be shown including the areas of Trent care and roadway restoration that's all in your letter right that's all my okay so uh Madam chair if you want to
swear in the applicants and then we'll just get the comp information that those are okay with them okay uh Mr seller do you if you can raise your right hand do you affirm to tell the truth the whole truth yep and Miss essis do you affirm to tell the truth the whole truth okay right so so I would just ask you you
just heard the uh the request of the engineer is there anything about that that you would not comply with no and I think they're actually addressed and our architect is here if they can answer any technical questions for you I don't think I don't know that we do we need that tonight as long as they agree with
you I I think that's fine it's I don't can't say it would hurt to to hear from the AR it's up to you if you feel like you need it that's up to you yeah I think he he came all this way might as well put them talk sir if you don't mind going to that microphone and if you can just state your
name you want me put drawing yes [Music] and are those different than what we have because we do have oh okay sorry about that long
St comp everything and we do have them so it's this is the engineering plan well it's just what we got we need to get oh sorry yeah I'm sorry your name my name is uh Daniel Nolan Daniel molden Nolan n o n and have you testified before this board
previously before this board but several other in M Town okay and just your brief credentials you didn't you didn't actually Square him in though I apologize let's rewind um can you raise your right hand do you
affirm to tell the truth the whole truth Daniel Nolan yes I did okay now if you can please tell us about your credential yes I'm a licensed architect in new uh newers J in New York since 2004 okay and you said you have testified before us at least once
okay um here is the the site ples that this is Cur Cuts driveway does not align we want those to to wind up on so I understand concern
for the curving meing to be replacement we have no problem with that they our clients would rather it look nice in the end too they don't want to have a hot podge of curving out there so the idea was to provide two new curve cuts and prepare whatever necessary on the curve and we can add that to the
plan okay and as far as the ejector pump that is also not an issue and we can confirm and add and that includes the utility that you mentioned right yeah are there new utility services or you going to use the existing I believe it should be new because the the existing house is on
this side of a lot and at we a a utility pole is already relocated possibly and 're probably be we're going to be coming on this side there is some information here on uh for the PVC pipe yes so the
utilities are are going to be on this okay okay that concerns okay and the um applicants said they will comply are there any questions from the board I just had a quick question the the generator has to be how far off the house isn't it like
10 or 15 feet by code does anybody know that my only point is just be careful where you have your generator it's up against the house and if you push it off the house you might be too close to the property line and require a variance so just be careful with that I know it's not off the house it's next to a window I think it's 2 ft off the
house I've put one of them so yeah it's the the generator location with respect to the house is a building code uh issue so that'll be reviewed by the building department when they go for construction permits um the what the board has to consider is is it's an accessory
structure and it has to be a certain distance from the side property line that was my only point of bringing it up is if it gets pushed off the house just be careful of where you put it for set back requirements we don't have any windows at that point ventilation concerns okay any other questions from
the board questions from the public if you can please go to the microphone and you can state your name and your address please Sher Rosen 328 Roosevelt Avenue Rosen yes and what's the address
again I'm sorry 328 Roosevelt and I'm sorry the first name Sherry s h a r i sh if you want to swear her in yes and if you can raise your right hand do you affirm to tell the truth the whole truth yes I do okay and you have a question for the applicants
or the um professional uh yes um my one question is are you over building for the property between the pool the house and and you may have to just share the microphone apology I mean I I'll answer it that they're they're not that they
everything that they're doing conforms with the ordinance okay they have no variances other than the pre-existing width of the property how come on the paper that got sent and maybe on interpreting long it said that this application can grant them any variances
in the future so so basically no no no no so so basically what what when you send the notice out you list the variants that you know you have and then there's catchall language which everybody puts in in case something comes up at the hearing where where someone comes up oh my God you actually
do have another variants that they don't have that they don't get rejected and have to leave and and come back and re notice it it's just a catchall phrase it's not it's not even needed tonight because there are no extra variances so if the board grants the application tonight and they want to do something else in the future they would have to
come back and they re notice if because whatever you hear tonight is what they're granted tonight they over the lot get a house and problems you table
water we never put a problem and my concern was that the other that's the other property builing they went and got that was supposed to put in Wells or something
from the town engineers ever got done because the problem is really bad right now my basement more and the problem is then my neighbor keep call police I have I just don't want to make sure that
this gets any worse so the the board can't do anything about your your other neighbor because I just we can only look at this application that when there has there's no place for the not enough yes so that's not making the water table
worse one of the uh my so I had a few review letters and one of my initial comments was to address storm water management uh the I know their Engineers is not here tonight but I can tell you that the there's a a significant storm
waterer uh underground drainage system that is proposed um to capture the increased amount of storm water runoff because they they are creating more impervious surface it's a bigger house
they have a a patio a pool um so there is going to be an increase in storm water runoff and to counteract that they're installing a drainage system to capture that and infiltrate it into the ground so it's not running off onto the neighboring properties but I realize
that it's Wetlands behind us yes um but that's what my concern is this is when they did the property between us okay and it didn't take care of it it's wor um and I just wanted it's going to be
granted I just wanted to go on record that you know when the Poli start calling me about my sub PP that you know I want this on record that I'm voicing was a problem already it got worse and they supposedly put
their training system in I don't want when it gets wor calling you all the time I don't have to go through that I want to be on record get this on record it's on record Mrs Rosen can I make a recommendation please here
hello okay hi so after the hearing maybe you can talk to Colleen here and she can give you some guidance who to call and talk to regarding your current neighbor where the runoff from their proper
property is causing um water problems on your property the water runoff from their property is coming onto yours and Colleen can guide you with a phone number and a name perhaps to call and address that issue that seems to be the
immediate issue for your property yes okay that's what I'm hearing so she can offer you guidance I don't know the terms runoff the same thing this runoff caus the water table to come higher it's the water runoff the the water coming onto your property let's leave it at
that so so B so basically if if that over here if if the property owner in between your two properties received an approval that required a storm water management system which is what you're saying and they didn't install it that's a code violation so that's why she's
recommending that you speak with Colleen here and and she'll put you in touch with the code enforcement to determine whether that is or is not the case Okay and then same same thing after presumably their house built if you have problems and you feel like something wasn't done to what you see here tonight
then you would do the same thing but I am certain they are going to follow through and do everything they're supposed to and finish what they have um told us they're going to do and comply with every piece of their application
right right see no problem those are to AB trees my neighbor took all the trees Hiser so do the shrubs excuse the shrub should also Mr Higgins do you have any comments
to that about the trees Mr Higgins there's a tree replacement ordinance that's that exists for the township and if they remove trees without getting a tree removal permit then they they're in
violation and they would have to get a tree removal permit and demonstrate credibly what trees were removed how many and then either replant them or put money into the township Shad Tre
know noticed it last summer all really yeah no so that that could be a problem but again there's there are Aerials and so on that people could tell how many trees are there and if they didn't get if whoever owned the property at the time didn't get a permit then
somebody would be obligated to to make that contribution or to replace the trees would I Colleen will give you that information too talk to Colleen off offline don't apologize you're doing what you're supposed to don't apologize
it's why we're here to help I I have a quick question um have you removed any trees off the property okay had a utility call moved okay thank you okay any other questions from the public okay motion to close the public
hearing motion to close second all in favor I any opposed okay and is there a positive resolution I'll move for a positive resolution with um Mr mattl
um caveat okay is there second yes yes yes yes
yes yes yes okay best wishes thank you so much okay the next case First french-speaking Baptist Church 2795 2797 Asbury Avenue Ocean R2 and the
um applicant is Seeking a preliminary and final major site plan approval to construct an approximately 1496 ft house of worship the use is a conditional use in the zone the applicant is requesting a conditional use approval where several bulk
variances are also required and the attorney is Amanda Curley and for the record those who were not in attendance did either view or read the script from the last yes and Madam chair I'm just going to um just to bring everybody back
for recollection purposes at the last meeting uh the applicant had finished the presentation and the only reason we didn't vote at the last meeting was because Mr gazari was present on behalf of some residents indicated that he intended to put on an opposition case uh
I was advised today I was contact with Mr garasi who advised me he is not appearing tonight and he is not here so presumably that is not going to take place okay Mr Carly all right good evening good evening Amanda curlyy from day Pitney on behalf of the applicant
the first french- speaking Baptist Church we're on hearing number five uh for site plan approval to construct a house of worship I want to note that 14,000 squ F feet is the building footprint it's there's a basement too so it's a little it's bigger than 14,000 but that is the building footprint so to
speak um and ancillary improvements and the properties is 2795 to 2797 Asbury Avenue Lots 71 and 72 in Block 38 and it's in the R2 Zone where this is a conditional use we require D3 variant for failure to
meet the minimum lot depth that's because of the existence of a paper Street to the rear that's unimproved with no one planned to be improved so that's why we're before your board we meet all the other conditional use standards there some other variances some of which were triggered by
Provisions requested by this board um so I was going to quickly go through them minimum required parking if you recall we were here in January of 2024 and we had fully compliant parking at that time the board asked us to sort of do a survey figure out how much parking we actually needed so we could
increase the buffer along shower and drive which we did um so the variance is for 218 spaces where 254 are required and that has allowed us to almost I think double the buffer with show and drive and provide more Landscaping also the the location of the driveway was moved uh at the direction
of the board professionals your ordinance requires it to be in the center 1/3 and due to sight distances we've moved it out of that Center one3 requiring relief and then there's two other variances one to exceed 2 feet in the grade changes in various locations
due to the Topography of the site and then also our landscape plan was not prepared by a landscape architect which requires a variance in your ordinance so it's that variance and then there's a design waiver for tree Replacements to despite putting ample trees on the property we're still going to be a couple short so we're going to work with
your board planner Mr Higgins on what trees we're going to keep where we're going to plant trees and how much of a contribution is required if any um so the last meeting we did close our uh presentation as indicated by Mr lexin over the course of the hearings we
provide a testimony of a licensed engineer traffic engineer architect and planner in support of our application we went through the d three proof set forth in cry square and as noted this is a very minor D3 because it's for minimum lot depth with respect to a paper Street
that's unimproved and will never be improved uh and he also went through the C2 uh variance criteria setting forth that this was an inherently beneficial use and the testimony elicited indicated the application meets both the positive and negative criteria we were here
tonight for objectors Council which does not present to int does not intend to present so I'm just going to do a closing and that's it I have no professionals to testify I also want to note as requested by the board we did meet with the county with respect to the
driveway if you recall it was testified to that the county was requesting a right in right out sight driveway as I learned today at our meeting with the county they actually don't want that either so we are going to have a full movement driveway as I believe is in
your plan set because we never actually submitted the quote unquote pork chop so it will be a full movement driveway along Asbury Avenue and I do apologize for the confusion I myself was a little confused today um
but per our meeting today we plan to proceed with that full movement driveway and a left turn lane on Asbury Avenue and we are going to work with County and your professionals with respect to that and I would ask because
we just don't know financially what that repercussion is going to be that we condition the approval that in the event that we cannot do that will come back to the board if you act favorably on this application just in the event that it becomes completely in feasible which would be really at the discretion and
determination of the county in this instance and your professionals because we'll work with them then we would just come back to you with a with a new proposal and obviously any proposal that we set forth has to comply with the county who has the ultimate
jurisdiction um I wanted to thank the board for their time and their patience with this application um I truly feel that we've worked together and put together the best plan possible and um I ask that you act favorably on this application and I'm here to answer any
questions okay Mr Higgins Mr matl anything final just to further explain the by having the leftand turn lane in eliminates any concerns about cars passing the site going into shower and drive and and disturbing that
neighborhood and it looks it looks very favorable if that's going to happen okay Mr Matt likey final uh yeah I would agree with with what Jim said um it's definitely feasible and I think it's the the best design in the eyes of the
county um so I I agree with with what Miss gley said okay the county has indicated they're going to work favorably with the off to try and make it happen okay and just for the members of the public you want me to that they didn't here we're going to put a left
turn lane on Asbury Avenue so that cars don't pile up on Asbury but they'll have we're going to work on that there'll be a time for County Mammoth County I was also at this meeting Mammoth County FS it can work that's what Mammoth County
wants and Mammoth County usually gets what Mammoth County usually Mammoth County fills it can work they had the plans there they looked at them I'm not an engineer I have to houses here how are they Mammoth County fills can work I mean that's all I can tell you Mammoth
County and yeah but but they're they're the professionals it's a county road we are subject to their jurisdiction we can't even override it and that's what they want and that eliminates all the concerns about people turning on to Sharon Drive because will there be any reason to turn a to drive
about again it's a County Road it is what it is I don't know what to tell you it's and I I live a half mile from that site I I've lived in this area for 50 years it's not going to have any effect at all on the streets across in that the
neighborhood the leftand turn laying in is going to take care of all of the concerns that arose from having that right in right out turn okay well let's just first ask for um
questions from the board and then we'll ask um for members of the public to go to the microphone yeah so any questions from the questions or comments from the board to the turn that doesn't alleviate no parking on the side streets corre
we're still not going to park we'll still agree to that condition we don't want to be parking on local roads all right to ask all those previous conditions that we had discussed and laid out those are still part of I'm unsure if we need to put the sign but if you want us to put in the sign we do we
will we want everything we had discussed previously all those C avats we want them included noted that's fine thank you perfect any other comments or questions from the board okay comments or questions from
the public if you can please go to the microphone state your name and your address canel s the minut yes and I just sorry but I just want to make sure Mr ausi um your cases are you just here or
you oh yeah just if you're not here for this case you are okay I just saw you sitting there and okay if you can state your name and he was he was still here your name and
your address hi my name is Tony Dunn I live at 31 Sharon Drive and ocean and I'm sorry you said Tony Tony t o n i e dun D NN 31 Sharon Drive 31 31 Sharon Drive and um if you can raise your right hand to you airm to tell the truth the
whole truth nothing but the truth okay um my concern with the county coming in and enlarging or I guess widening we live right at the corner of Sharon and um and Asbury Avenue and there was a lovely Pond well there is a lovely pond at our behind us and as soon
as we moved in we wanted to dredge the pond and the Dilemma I have with the county is that they came in and knocked out a well knocked a tree halfway down and messed up my sprinkers of my next door neighbor Jimmy and then kind of left so we had no dredging of the pond
so I'm just concerned about the county coming in and saying that they can widen the street and if they can't H then they'll go away do you know what I'm saying I just I don't have faith let's put it that way that's my first issue the second issue I know they talked
about the pavement and the parking and the parking lot but and I'm not no engineer but the flooding is out of control on Asbury Avenue I mean just this week you have to stop there's a huge it's right where the I guess where the church is going to be I don't see how that's going to be alleviated with
all the trees getting knocked down and then the other thing with this Route 66 being widened now I think a lot of the cars are going to be detoured to Asbury Avenue is that going to be in conjunction with all the construction vehicle construction vehicles with the church a lot of stuff's happening in our
area you know what I mean okay I mean the construction vehicles coming down Asbury Avenue sounds like there's an earthquake so I'm just in ising that's going to happen with the church which I know we can't help I mean because they're going to you know erect this lovely church I just think of all of
these construction vehicles converging at once so so Mr Lexing I guess to address the point about the county you were present I I was present the count the county was emphatic that this is what they want yeah they also told us that too they were going to come dredge
our pond and make it beautiful well I I mean we don't know anything about that all I know at the end of the day this application's got to go before the C the count going to do what the count wants to do we cannot tell the county what to do we have no control over the county they're the county they're
Superior to us so so we only can go by they looked at us in the face and said this is what we want Lane yes okay we do not want what the applicants been proposing and they could not have been more clear on that statement to us can I ask a question
mark is there any recourse with the county for flooding on that road you can go to a not us correct not through you you go you can go to you can go to a county meeting and uh and talk to I guess the freeholders or or or talk to land use over there and tell them that
you're that you're experiencing flooding due to a county road but that has nothing to do with us have you ever taken pictures and to documented and done what he suggested Oh you mean of the flooding of the just oh yeah cuz well we tried we had the engineer come to our house with the pond and that was
just a it was ridiculous but no I mean I certainly can and we all can that's what I recomend just flooding itself take pictures document it video it do what you need to do go to a county meeting take steps to rectify it but it goes to
the county I also add that that this this uh no it doesn't but I was trying to help her solve a problem no that's fine I just didn't realize that was a county issue the Asbury Avenue but yeah certainly so all I have do is take pictures and then do what send it to the county no you have to go you take the
pictures go to a county meeting and present it I would go to freeholders meeting MH that with with with your pictures I mean that's your government your count they're not freeholders anymore they're uh Commissioners Commissioners County I'm yeah uh it's hard to get through my head but County go to a county commissioner meeting in
Freehold or wherever they hold them and and and tell them who you are and and present it it's like going to a council meeting except they except their Commissioners it should be monthly and they're online and you can look it up find out when they are okay I just assumed everyone kind of that but I guess not okay I'll also add that this
issue came up at a prior meeting that there was ponding water sitting right at the the uh proposed entrance to the to the site and there is a a um significant storm order management um plan that will
address uh drainage on the site and there's also a drainage Inlet right at the entrance to the site to collect water that is currently sitting on the road to get it into the system so it you know based on the plan it should be a a
significant Improvement to what's there now okay so that could help address the problem in one particular area but if it goes beyond what they're referring to in other areas then you have recourse for those areas part of
this the county has to approve this yeah the the count the county has to approve anything that they do they have to go to the County planning board or just like that have to go to the ocean zoning board but um that the county has reviewed that PO portion of it and I
think it sounds like the last thing is addressing the leftand turn L okay and if you can state your name and your address Michelle mck Mc o n just want to ask her and you can't I know you right I
just yes um just followup questions know last meeting I think it was we talked about the fence and you had said to ask back and I promised that I'd remember about a solid fence we will put an I think we said we'd do it we said at the last meeting we'd do it yeah okay and
then I think but I I don't know what's going to be the entire thing but I we had talked like about where your property like on the Shon Drive side where it was just a a a much closer to the parking lots just by Design all right so so just so I get it you're going to install and you probably did I
do remember you saying to tell her to come back so you could confirm it I think what you said is that you were pretty sure you could do it but you need to check with your clients so so so there's going to be a solid fence along the Sharon Drive or is that what you're saying I just want to make sure I have it right I
don't think it needs to be the entire length of it um my engineer is not here so you have an approximate uh halfway three4 yeah how how how many feet from Asbury do you would you
guesstimate I would say like the the right the side of the we do a we'll do a solid vinyl fence 277 along the L of your border with drive we'll do a solid vinyl fence is that is that permitted
great solid vinyl fence because the other sides have the the I don't know I guess it's called the paper is it going to extend how far is it going to extend to towards asber Avenue whatever's on the plan now just it was to the front of the or the rear whatever you would call
it Michelle is going to extend totally along your property line no no because I would need variant to do that so it only goes to the okay um and then the other question was I think it was two meetings prior or three meetings and I don't know um and I know the traffic engineer is
not here but at the end of that one I had asked if his um traffic analysis was based on the crash data from both both ocean and Neptune and he said it was only from Ocean corre but that it would be redone or he'd get the Neptune crash data from the same period of time do you
know if that was ever done that was not as a condition of approval we can submit that information would that affect the entire traffic study that was presented here no if like the number of crashes was double it wouldn't have I mean I don't I I I don't know why we would make
you do it after the application as a condition of approval because it won't change anything it would be like form over substance that point there's I I'm not a traffic officer so like say it's just I didn't know and if he was going to say that it wouldn't have affected it either way then that's fine and ultimately it's not the Township's
jurisdiction because it's not a Township Road no I just thought because it would affect the traffic study as to because one of the things he had testified to was that there was no pattern as to whether the bulk of the crash reports were you know the accidents were caused by left turn or right turn or rear end because that's the data in a tra in a
crash report and he said there was no visible pattern he was going off of nine crash reports and if there were also nine crashes on the Neptune side um there may have then been a pattern ironically I when we were at this County I know the County's not here and we can't see it they were showing us the uh
the CRA their study today and um for what it's worth I don't remember what the numbers were but but they were showing us their figures to demonstrate the fact why they were insistent upon this leand turn so they like the county had numbers and stuff absolutely they wer just going off of this one they
weren't using their study they not using our study they were using their own I mean okay and then I just thought of a third thing that was a followup and now I I did notice Neptune and as and uh sorry Ocean and the utilities and the
clerk I it was within 200 feet my notice package was presented to the board attorney not me it's been reviewed but I'm sure it's fine no I don't remember the third thing that I just thought about that was two and okay any other questions or comments
from the public if you can go to the microphone state your name and your address Nick Lordi 13 Sharon Drive just just spell your last name l r Di and your address again I'm sorry 13 Sharon Drive 13 Sharon Drive very go ahead and thank you for addressing many of our
concerns we really appreciate it um I just want to ask one question with respect to the lighting plan um last week last time we met you said you would abide by whatever the requirements are for lighting uh my question though has to De with the changes between the revisions in the earlier revision um
sorry in the ear lighting plan so I'm just going to tell you this is just she's just an attorney she she's not the lighting expert this is really a question for the board with respect to reviewing the lighting plan okay so in the earlier lighting plans uh the lights were 145 lumens in the most recent
revision it was upgraded 50% to over 9600 lumens uh this the height of the light was increased from 12 to 16 feet um so and there are more lights in place so my question really for the board is uh with the most recent revision for the
lighting plant is that being reviewed with respect to what the uh ordinance are within the township which seems to restrict the amount of lumens that are being put out yes it is being reviewed okay okay so and part one of the conditions of approval is uh a new
lighting plan so that will be reviewed uh again with with the against the ordinance okay thank you thank you any other questions or comments from the public and if you can state your name and your address uh I'm Joe torsa and it's 2801
ASB app 2801 yeah and torsa t o r c h a yes okay1 that's very go ahead um so since I'm directly west of the church lot my question is the left turn
lane like how will that extend beyond the church property or like so our car is going to be able to kind of like how long is that lane going to be we don't know that yet the um applicant engineer has yet to put that plan together but
they're going to do that and submit it to the county and the county has the full jurisdiction to review that and approve it okay do do you know if it if that lane is allowed to if they're allowed to make that lane like come past the property line so that the left turn
lane is also going to be in front of my property it could it could be it depends on uh the amount of traffic the the Traffic Engineers design for it okay yeah that's just concerned if I try to pull out of the driveway just like
solid traffic okay that's it okay any other questions or comments from the public just say your name again Michelle Mia thank you again um I know several meetings ago I had asked about a sign at the street and it was like there wasn't
going to be a sign at the street but then at the last meeting I know the sign um affixed to the building was removed did that change whether there's going to be a signage at the street any sign we have will be fully compliant with the ordinance so now there might be signage there might be a monument sign but
whatever signage we we propose will fully comply with the ordinance not requiring relief or approval by the board okay any other comments or questions from the public you can go to the microphone and if you can state your name and your address Darlene Sandlin 11
Sharon Drive and I don't know if this question can be answered um because the engineer isn't here but my question has to do really more than with the board um about the drainage plan because um the research that I've
done the permeable asphalt is prone to fail if it is not maintained properly so I wasn't sure if there was a maintenance plan in place for the there's always a maintenance plan that has to get reported with the county okay in every in every app location where you have
storm water njd requires that it will be reported with the onm manual with with cl um and was the reason why it was changed from Retention Ponds to the perable asphalt was that just because of the public questioning the safety of
theond correct okay any other questions from the public okay move Steve resond 8 Sharon Drive I just start your last name sir r m and he said eight eight yes ahead I'm not a good public speaker so you can have to bear
with me is this a rable going into the corers that's irrelevant to this hearing it's irrelevant it's irrelevant the board can't even consider that um I'm talking about a quality of life issue I think um it's going to be
very loud so so so let let me stop you so it's a permitted use in the zone okay well it's a comment it's a comment it's a it's a comment but the board can't deny the app the board could say we don't like churches we don't want
churches here because of the quality of Life issue I'm not saying they're saying that because they're not saying that but the board could say that they can't consider that because it's permitted use in the zone the Town Council has decided that this is a proper location for a
church so the fact that you consider it a quality of life issue every single board member might consider it a quality of life issue they could not vote no based upon it being a quality of life issue property values irrelevant it again the Town Council has said that this is a permitted use for that
property the board cannot deny the application based on any of these things that you're talking about it's permitted in the zone all right the board has to follow the law and follow the ordinances any other questions from the
public okay oh you just have to go to the microphone darling this is just in response to your comment and I understand what you're saying totally my question is um I tried to look up online to see if
there's any um I don't know rule of thumb or whatever rules for the size of a project on a piece of property when it pertains to a church and I couldn't find anything
and I think most of us from what I hear are concerned not that it's a church you know nothing having to do with that it's the size of the project and I wasn't sure if if the size of the project is
governed in any way it is yeah the ordinance has standards in it for the size of a church project and what's the size of this property, ft that's the building footprint the
size of the property significantly exceeds what the ordinance required it's over two AC including the parking lot I think it's over two acres they don't have any variances for any of that 4.9 6 acres and two leg question two acres is required two acres is required it's 4.96
Acres so it's two and a half times bigger than what the ordinance requir yeah every single just so you know every single application that is what you're talking about is an issue in this case they don't have any variances and it's not because it's the church that they don't they don't have any variances for this piece of property
yeah I was only looking right yeah typically bulk is regulated by F or impervious coverage or build or buildin coverage uh those are all different avenues that boards and townships can use to regulate the size and bulk and here we comply with the size and bulk as
indicated in the ordinance okay any other questions from the public okay oh if you can just state your name again Sor Tony dun 31 Sharon Drive I just wanted to Echo what what Stephen said I
think again it's not the church it's just our quality of life and I know you can't do anything that you know it's all approved and all that but you have to understand our neighborhood it's a great neighborhood it's very quiet and everybody knows each each other we walk our dogs and I think what we're seeing
is what's going to happen is that it's not going to be like that any longer just because the Bri of the traffic and the lighting and the sound it's it's just so that's why I think we're all here just letting you guys know that our quality of life is really going downhill
understood and this is not a quality of life board no I know and so and so the board's got to the Town Council enact ordinances that that decides what is permitted in the zone not in the zone and we're we're Bound by that no I know we all moved in though knowing there was
like this little Woody area you know if we had maybe we I wouldn't have moved if the church was there that's the whole thing it's not like we moved in and the church was there they came into our I understood so that's our concern and the only reason the only reason I say what I say because I have to protect as the attorney I have to protect the record of
so whenever so I'm not trying to be rude to anybody but whenever anyone comes up and makes that type of statement I then have to make sure I put on the record that the board cannot consider quality of life issues in this type of application of course and that's I just want to let you know that's why we're I think most of us are here that's really
it Mrs Don I also think we're trying our here Mrs Don where are you oh I'm sorry I also think the board is trying our best to hear everyone's concerns and strike a balance between inevitable progress and change that's going to
happen and hear your concerns oh you've done a great job of that I have to say I think we are definitely but change and progress is going to happen and I think people are just afraid of it and fearful and and
we're just trying like I said we're trying to do our best to strike a balance between that no I I I get that and I'll say this also you know this applicant in all fairness to the applicant they've worked with this board
to to to fix this application to make it better up to the point of having a meeting today with the county which most applicants don't do and they didn't have to go to the county again with us and and that was because of all the residents coming out complaining about
Sharon Drive and it being used and the applicant did that so so this is the this is the pro this is this is what this board's here for right well that was the right and we and and we hear the and not all applicants work with the board this applicant's worked a lot with this board and has completely resigned
its plans creating new variances specifically because the boards requested them to do that they didn't have to do okay so so they've gone above and beyond no it's been it's been great I just it's not us too I think that's indicative of the kind of people that
are in the church and that are coming in which your neighborhood should perhaps look at that and I know you're concerned about the church moving in but I think how hard they've worked to to please all
of you is indicative of the people in the church no I think that's one no yeah I agree with you it's just you know with real estate and so forth my concern is down the road when we want to sell our house not sure how that's going to look but you know okay but you guys have all worked very well and and and I'll again
correcting the just protecting the record the board cannot consider real estate values in this I understand I'm not correcting you I understand I'm just telling you where we're coming from as home owners I understand like like I said I just have to say that when someone makes a statement that the board cannot decide maybe they'll increase our
values who knows we don't know so I just wanted to but you guys have been great I don't want it sound like I'm not thankful been very good thank you 100% this is the last time anybody has to hear from me I promise we're gonna hold you that I this is the actual
question I forgot the first time um just because I know you had said you still want the signs and stuff on Sharon Drive which I'm not going to lie that far doesn't affect me sign andu on Sharon Drive but um um there's technically um I think one of the ones that was talked about was like a no u-turn sign and I
just wanted to make sure we remember that's all that's all in there but just to also remember because it's not the a no u-turn sign there is not covered by New Jersey state law unless it's in the ordinance because it's it's an allowable U-turn Zone by state law right the condition was that they wasn't no u-turn
and was it just that was no through Street and they have a transcript so we have a transcript of every time you came up here and talked and all the requests and they have the transcript so when they Draft when Mr lexine drafts the resolution he's going to they automatically go to council to get added
into ordinance the ones that are requested what they have to do is they have to submit a plan to the township engineer to get approved and that then he has to uh you know make a recommendation to the council to draft
an ordinance to put that in place was no Street I think it was no through street street CT that's what whatever it is whatever it is is what it will be and this board just to be very very clear this board does not have enforcement powers and we
cannot force the town to enforce anything no I know I was more concerned for the neighbors that do live on Shon drive that then it happens and then if they call the police and then the police come out and they go oh man we actually never added this to the ordinance so we can't issue this ticket that was more my
because then it's not and the town will obviously be advised but it's in the resolution that was more my thing that there's like an automatic and what they do with it is what they do with it I know I know and I will again say thank you all and really truly thank you okay any other questions from the public questions or
comments okay a motion to close the public hearing motion to close second all in favor I any oppos okay and is there a a resolution I'll make a resolution for a
positive outcome of all the stipulations uh that were discussed I'll second okay yes yes yes yes
yes yes yes okay I very much appreciate everyone's efforts thank you so much thank you thank you okay we have one final order of uh business resolution to appoint legal council to defend suit on behalf of the
Zoning Board of adjustment docket number M NL 0043 2324 and I will offer there second second can we all in favor I any
opposed okay and a motion to adjourn any objections nope okay thank you this is done