Okay. >> Okay. Awesome. >> All right. We're going to open the uh August the 8th, 19th, 2025 meeting. We'll have the uh invocation by Mr. Hart, pledge of allegiance by myself, and then roll call. Please stand.
Dear heavenly father, we thank you through your abundant grace and mercy that you've allowed us to come together to conduct this city's business. And father, we pray that you help us to come in together under the spirit of unity. Even though we may disagree, let us not be disrespectful or disengage from one another, but to continue to treat each other as brothers and sisters. We pray
for our first responders and we ask you to be with them on every call. Keep them safe and as they watch over us, we pray that you will watch over them. We give you the praise, honor, and the glory. In your son's name, Jesus, we pray. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Commissioner Kennedy >> here. >> Commissioner Wilson >> here. >> Mayor Johnson >> here. >> Commissioner Fner >> here. >> Commissioner Oliver
>> here. >> All right, moving right along. staff reports. >> Thank you, mayor. I just have a couple of little items. Um, one is for clarification purposes only. You know, the city clerk staff report um at the last meeting regarding the 2026 holiday
schedule and the cancellation of three meeting dates had a scrier's error incorrectly. It referred to the approval of the September 8th meeting following the Labor Day holiday as a city commission meeting when it should have stated that it was cancellation of a planning and zoning commission meeting.
and there's no further action required. The commission will meet on September 1st as as planned. Um, and then the second thing I had is just to remind everyone that the uh first budget workshop is Wednesday, August 27th at 6
PM in these chambers. >> Well, you're on this thing you just handed out. We're discussing that later now. >> No, we're not discussing it. We I >> can you tell what what the amount was for the month >> where I don't read it from >> what they give us for the month like we
did the first one. >> Yes. If you will give me a second I will turn to it. >> Okay. >> Was roughly $100,000 net profit to the city for the month of July plus or minus a little bit of error in
there. There's a lot of a lot of different things here. So, I I see >> there are we >> I'll get with you later. >> Let's let's let's meet later. Yeah. >> All right. Um Okay. Public comments. I have a couple here.
Let's have our supervisor, Dr. Jim Mo, come on down. I'm good. Thank you. >> Or should that have been Dr. Supervisor? >> Whatever you pick, Mr. Mayor.
Uh my name is Dr. Jim Moyer, elected Orange Soil and Water Conservation District 2 Supervisor. We're celebrating our 80th uh anniversary, 80 years of service to Orange County from June 23rd
this year to June 22nd next year. Here's the my fellow members of the board. I'm going, if this thing is working. Okay. Okay. I'm going to be showing you two
pictures here. I want you to think about what you think the pictures represent. This is the first one and this is this second one. Just think about it for a second here.
I'll go back to it. The first one is Black Sunday, April 14th, 1935. When the dust was so significant, it went about 1,900 miles about almost 1,600 miles to DC where the
president could look outside his window and see the dust and then 300 miles into Atlantic Ocean. 20 people died that day from inhalation from dust. The second one is only about five months
ago. This occurred 80 miles from from the first picture. It occurred almost 90 years later. It's a prelude to what's going to be happening.
Climate change crisis globally. Eight people died that day because the visibility on the road in Texas in Kansas was so bad. Car accident. Eight people died from the car accident.
Um it happened Amarilla, Texas. Okay, I'm going to skip down to much much closer to home. I want to talk about Stark Lake here. According to my research, Stark Lake is was not impaired as of
November 2019. Now, it is showing that it's impaired with nutrients. I believe Stark Lake is the past, present, and future of AoE. If we want to have a vibrant downtown, wouldn't it
be great to have swimming in Stark Lake? And I would like there to suggest the possibility of all the stakeholders, the school district, the the Blueberry Farm, all the Stark
Lake residents and the city, the women's club, all the stakeholders get together and try to clean up Stark Lake, reverse the trend because according to Tampa Bay, it's worsening.
So, Tampa Bay Times Investigative Report, thank you so much for your time and God bless you all. >> Thanks, sir. All right, Norine. Can't ever pronounce this. I can't read it. >> Sorry. >> That's all right. Come on now. Anyway,
we know you. >> And that community does Good evening. I'm Noren Dwarkin, editor-inchief of Vox Populi. I just wanted to remind everybody that there's a special election occurring on
September se September 2nd for uh Senate District 15 and House District 40. So, uh the last day to request a mail-in ballot is August 21st and early voting will start to take place uh August 23rd
through the 31st. Um, we have a voting guide up on our website if you want to go to winter garden vox with a vox.com. We have in-depth interviews with the four candidates who are running two in
Senate District 15 and two in house district 40. So, it's wintergardenvox.com. We also have information on where you can go to vote early and how to track your ballot and um the deadline for the mail-in ballot. So again, uh go check
out our voting guide at voxopuli winter gardenvox.com. Don't forget to vote, please. It's important. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. All right. Consent agenda. I need a motion.
>> I'll make that motion a second. Commissioner Wilson. Do you hear a second? >> I'll second it. >> Second by Commissioner. No more comments. Let's vote. >> Motion carries unanimously. All right. First reading ordinance. None. Second reading of ordinance.
Public hearing. Second reading of ordinances for 8 I mean 977 East Crown Point Road, Showers of Grace, Evangela Political Christian Mission Incorporated. Property annexation and reszoning from Orange County A1 Citrus
Rural District to City of Ocoy RCE-2 Rural County States District there. That's it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Okay. All righty. Good evening everyone. Tonight I'll be presenting the Showers of Grace Evangelical Christian
Mission Inc. annexation reszoning for the property located at 977 East Crown Point. Oh, I'm so sorry. You're fine. >> Oh, thank you. Okay. So for issues, it's whether or not the honorable mayor and city commission should approve the annexation from
Orange County into the city of Akoi as well as the reszoning from the property from Orange County A1 to city of Akoi RCE2. For background on the property is located on the east side of East Crown Point Road and roughly 4 miles north of
Palm Drive. In total, the property is 9.09 09 acres large and it is eligible for annexation as it is adjacent to other city properties eligible for water services and reduces the amount of existing enclaves. It is also consistent
with the joint planning area future land use map which is low density residential. Here is the aerial of the property shown in yellow. This is the surrounding zoning map showing those adjacent city properties with the um PUD um industrial
designations as well as the surrounding future land use map showing the lowdensity residential and light industrial. So for recommendations, the DRC and planning and zoning commission both made recommendation of approval for the
proposed annexation as well as a conditional recommendation of approval of the proposed reszoning subject to the submittal by the applicant of an offsite site plan permit for the extension of a water mane to include a fire hydrant and flushing apparatus. And similarly, staff
is making the same recommendation of approval for the annexation from Orange County into the city of Akoi as well as a conditional recommendation of approval from the reszoning from Orange County A1 to city of AOA RC2 subject to the submitt of an off-site site plan permit
for the extension of the water man with a fire hydrant and flushing apparatus. And that concludes my presentation. The applicants are here if you guys have any questions for them. >> Okay. All right, I'll start with the annexation ordinance. An ordinance of
the city of Akoi, Florida, annexing into the corporate limits of the city of Akoi, Florida certain real property containing approximately 9.09 acres located at 977 East Crown Point Road on the east side of East Point Crown Road and approximately 0.4 miles north of
Palm Drive. Pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner, finding said annexation to be consistent with the envisioned 2045 AOE comprehensive plan, the Koi city code and the joint planning area agreement, providing for and authorizing the update of official
city maps, providing direction to the city clerk, providing for severability, prevailing in the event of any inconsistency, and providing for an effective date. Uh the second is the reszoning ordinance, an ordinance of the city of Akoi, Florida, changing the zoning classification from Orange County
A1 Citrus Rural District to City of Akoi RCE2 Real Country Estates District on certain real property containing approximately 9.09 acres located at 977 East Crown Point Road on the east side of East Point Crown Road and approximately 0.4 miles north of Palm
Drive. pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner, finding such zoning to be consistent with the envision 2045 AOE comprehensive plan, providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city zoning map, prevailing in the event of any inconsistency, providing for
severability, and providing for an effective date. >> All right, I'm going to open the public hearing and uh if the applicants want to say anything, now's the time. Okay. Uh, is this going to be part of a
school, too? >> No, >> just a church. Okay. All right. All right. I'm going to open the public hearing. Anybody in the public have any comments? >> All right. I'll close the public hear and bring it back. We need We need a motion for We'll do two separate. >> Yes, please. Annexation first.
>> Annexation first. >> I have questions, >> if I may. >> Yeah. Um, I see here the DRC recommended a conditional approval July 1st if the site plan permit was submitted. Has that
been submitted? >> Uh, following the annexation into the property. Uh, >> well, we can't unacex it if we annex it, can we? >> So, >> how does that work? So, the property would be annexed, but um they would have to ensure that they submit an off-site
permit to be compliant with the reszoning. >> Okay. What confuses me a little, and this is just the logistics, I don't know. U so the the DRC recommended conditional approval of the annexing
>> condition >> and the reasonzoning and then the staff and so did the PNZ. And then the staff recommendation recommends we annex it and conditionally approve the reszoning. Is that >> so specific? >> So we're annexing it either way whether
they do the site plan or not. Is that correct? >> So the um recommendation of DRC is to annex without any conditions, but the reasoning is the one with the conditions. um when they do um because part of and they've already agreed to
this with our utilities department. The reason for their annexation is to get city water. So part of their site plan that some modifications to the site itself is to provide submit a permit through the city in order to get city water extension to them.
>> But have they submitted I I don't understand why we wouldn't have submitted the plan by now >> because we they wouldn't be able to. They don't have they're not in our jurisdiction. We wouldn't be able to accept their permit. >> Well, not the permit, the plan.
>> The site as the the church already exists, so it's existing. This is just in order to get the city service, they would have to be in the city in order to make the application. >> So, if we annex it and they don't submit it and the zoning is conditional,
>> then they annexed as an Orange County zoning, they just stay. That doesn't to me that doesn't make sense. I don't understand what the recourse is. >> They wouldn't get the water that they were trying to annex for. >> I got that part. But I'm saying then they would be annexed into the city of Okovi, but their zoning would remain an
Orange County zone. >> It would just fall under an unclassified zoning zoning classification. >> And then if they were to do anything else >> recourse or >> Yes, sir. Because if they were to come in to do any improvements and accessory structure, then everything else would catch up.
>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I know. Didn't make sense to me, but thank you. >> I'm done. >> All right. Um, we need a motion for the annexation and a second. Do I need a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve the annexation.
>> Motion made by Commissioner >> Pner. First, >> you said gone so long. I forgot about it. >> It didn't sound like him gone. And and just for for cl >> for clarification that includes the staff recommendations.
>> Was there one on the >> there isn't a condition on the >> condition? Not on the annexation, just on the resoning. >> Okay. >> All right. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second it. >> Second, Commissioner Wilson. All right. Any more comments? If not, let's vote on that.
>> Motion carries unanimously. All right. Now, I need one for the zoning. Motion for the zoning. >> I'll make a motion to approve the zoning conditioned on the submitt of the site plan for the permit for the water main.
>> Motion made by Commissioner Kenny. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second it. >> Seconded by Commissioner Oliver. Any more comments? Any more comments? >> Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously.
Welcome All right, down to public here. We have no more um regular agenda number 15. Update and direction on Orange County redistric and mapping Angel Dela Portilla. Step down.
Great >> from here. Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Uh, this might be the shortest meeting in city's history, by the way. So, I'm going to try to keep keep this record going. So, as uh many of you know, I
have uh been serving on the Orange County redistricting committee since uh February. Uh Commissioner Moore appointed me as a as a representative of the city of Okoy. I've lived in the city on the south side for since 2005. and um so I'm very involved with uh
county government and city and all that. So uh there's 15 members. Each commissioner appoints two members and the mayor appointed three. So there's a total of 15 members. And what we're doing is we're drawing the districts because last year the Orange County
voters approved expanding the commission by two seats. So Orange County uh currently has a population of about 1.5 million. When the original maps were drawn back in 1989, we had a population of half a million. So, our county
population has grown. Hence, there's a need and the voters saw a need to expand. So, um the process began um in February and we've had a total of 22 meetings. Meeting 22 took place last night. Uh we have two remaining
meetings. We have a meeting on the 28th of August and then our final meeting is on September 3rd. Uh our committee is simply an advisory committee. We will vote on two maps. The chairs have told uh give us instructions to select two
maps and those two maps will be voted on and then they'll be sent to the commission and then the commission the county commission will make a decision on one of those maps and I think that will happen on September 16th. From there, the final map will go to the supervisor. We'll go to the state
division of elections for approval. And then it'll come back to the supervisor of elections. They'll officially start redrawing the districts, creating the maps, establishing the new precincts, and getting things ready for the elections of 2026. There will be uh next
year there'll be um the two two new districts will have uh elections plus the three there's three races and there's one commissioner that's going to be resigning to run for mayor and plus the mayor. So there'll be seven races in Orange County. It'll be the busiest election year ever in the countyy's
history. So I'm going to go map one by one. What I like, the reason I asked uh I I asked Craig, I mentioned this to Craig today was we we've gotten uh the city of Mland has taken a position on a map. They voted passed a resolution,
sent the sent the memo to the uh to the commission. City of Winter Park has has done it. I know the city of Winter Garden has done one. Uh so I think it's important that Okcoy, you get you all to decide. I I'll go through everything. I'll answer any questions and I'll tell
you there's there's also a lot of consideration because these maps are impacting not only our what's happening here in Okori but they're impacting countywide. So every every district is losing about 75,000 residents. Um Okori
currently is in district 2. Uh originally Okcoy was in district one in the original maps. Uh in 2011 because of growth in Horizon West, Okcoy was split and the south side of Okoy was in district one where I live and the north
part was in district two and then in 2021 Okoy was uh reu uh uh unified again and now we're we've been in district two and along with Apopka and uh the communities
there's 13 municipalities. There's also 39 communities of interest. for example, Lockhart, Clarono, Okoy as a community of interest, uh, Pine Castle, different, they're not cities, but they're community and these cities have have these communities have expressed
interest in remaining in the district. For example, there's a folks from Clarono Koy who've attended every single meeting and they said, "We want to remain in district 2." They spoke last night. We want to remain in district 2 with Okoy and Aopka and Lockheart. The community of Lockhart
also wants to stay in district 2. All that impacts what members are thinking as they're submitting maps. I submitted a map uh but it was it was rejected. It was voted down. We've had probably about 30 maps submitted. We're down to seven.
We had seven amendments last night. Some amendments were passed, some failed. But I'll go map by my my map. So, um the first map here. Okay, y'all see it here. Hold on. I may need Maribel.
>> We always need Marbel. >> Can we Can we get uh tech support? >> I'm sure she'll be here very quickly. the >> Got it. >> Yeah. Make it smaller so the whole map
is in here. >> All right. >> Yep. >> Like that. >> Okay. This map was uh submitted by uh member Jimmy Alant who represents district 5. He submitted this map early
on. Uh this map is uh when maps are submitted, they're reviewed by uh legal, county legal, and also they're submitted by a consultant that specializes in in mapping and redistricting. And this map has received uh among the highest scores
for technical technical scores because it keeps uh all the communities of interest in place and it keeps all the municipalities in their current district. So this RA this map scores very high on the technical side. So as you see here, Okcoy is remains in
district one along with Apopka uh Lockheart Claronoy I'm sorry in district two. District one has Winter Garden, Oakland, Windermir and all of Horizon's West. What changes in district one here is district 1 goes all the way down to
uh Hunter Creek and the county line also includes Williamsburg because of growth that those areas are going into a new district. So uh district one will according to this map will maintain the Disney properties all of Horizon's West which by the way Horizon's West has
80,000 people today. It's if if Horizon's West were a city it'd be the second largest city in Orange County. >> Very hard to read on our side. >> Say that again too. the >> very hard. I can't figure out where you're >> Okay. You see Cororey right here in the yellow. >> Start with districts.
>> Ours is this big. >> Right here. Oh, it's >> We're not seeing what you're seeing there. >> We need to zoom in. >> Yeah. I can't see. >> Can I get a mouse there? >> Yeah. >> Can you read off those names again in district one?
>> The cities will be in it. >> Okay. Need a laser pointer. >> All right. Do you see the uh cursor? >> Are you able to see it? >> Yes. >> Just a bit. >> This is Okcoi >> right here. >> Oko. >> Take it from here. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. So, that's Okcoy and then Winter Garden is here. Oakland and then south uh Horizon's West. You got Windermir here. So, this this map has Okcoy in district two where we are. This map keeps the entire city in district
two. It has uh it has lock cart over here, clarono koy and and then a popka and also all this is unincorporated orange which eventually will be annexed into the city of Apakka. Mayor you had a question the cities that will stay in district one according to this map would
be uh Oakland will stay in Winter Garden and then Windermir and then all of the horizons west >> be in one. >> We'll be in one >> but we're going to be in two >> and according to this map according to this map this is one of the seven we're going to have to vote on on the map. So, do you want me to go through the entire county or just district one and two here?
>> Clarona in this in two also. >> Yeah, Clare Kona is in two. Lockhart Lockhart is all the way here on the on the far >> that's way over. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You want to see what happens anywhere? Anybody I mean the rest of the
maps? Uh, Commissioner Oliver, >> if you can focus on um on district one and two. >> Okay. >> And any changes that that that that's been proposed to these two districts. Okay. So, on this map, uh the only change that's being proposed to district
one is removing the south part, which is uh Hunter Creek and Williamsburg. On district two, uh I think it pretty much keeps it intact. I think we're losing uh district 2 would lose uh the east side of the district, which
is Fair Villa, I believe. Uh just east of Lockhart. Uh and then some of the southern part there goes into a new district. Uh this district here is a new district seven. Uh and that district is a new district.
We will will take uh some of the um the east the uh north part of Pine Hills and then uh into the district. Uh and then south of that is district six, the purple. Then district three. And then the big one here is district uh five.
And then another new district is here on the south which is uh I believe that's district eight down here. Is any questions? >> When we're talking Akoi, we're talking all the >> the yellow the yellow all the yellow >> the complete Akoi even
>> all of Okcoy. All of AOY remains in district two. So it's sort of it's we stay where we are. >> So basically we're down to Good Homes Road and >> correct >> Pine Hills. >> Pine Hills is in a separate district. That's the per That's the pink the north
part of Pine Hills. The south part is in district six. And then this district creates uh uh I think it has uh yeah it goes it goes to the uh east side of uh Pine Hills and goes into Orlando there.
>> Okay. And I'm going to ask this only because we have zip code issues. This is not dealing with >> has nothing to do with zip codes. This is simply districts voting. Precincts will not change here for Okory residents. Uh everything on this map will remain the same. It doesn't impact school zones. It doesn't impact zip
codes. >> So part of Pine Hills is in district two. >> No, >> not >> no. Here it's in district six or seven. The pink, I'm sorry, district eight. >> Eight. >> District eight is pink. >> I also thought that the other side of
Good Homes Road was in a different district. On the east side of Good Homes Road was a different was a different district. I think that's district that that'll be district eight. I think now the east side of good homes is in district six.
>> Okay. Because west side of good homes would be which of it is us. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Okay. >> All right. I'm going to go on to another map. So that's map uh it's map 6B. You want to may label that uh 6B.
All right. Okay, this map changes some things for us. >> Okay. Um All right. This map has district one, uh Winter Garden, Oakland, Windermir, Horizon's West, Dr. Phillips, all that
south, right? That stays the same. District two. >> Excuse me. I'm sorry. Marbel, >> can you please fix that? >> This is finally finally I can see it.
>> Yeah, the zoom is perfect. Just close that bookmark there. Just close that. There you go. Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. So, map two. This is a map me uh submitted by member BA who is a uh in district 4 and then he submitted this
map and uh this map has district 2. It takes Oori out of district 2 and puts it in a new district seven and then it includes in district 2 Winter Park, Maitland, Lockheart, and then all of aka
uh Randy Knight, who's a city manager for Winter Park, has spoken against this map because this map would would take their Winter Park commissioner will now be representing, you know, Apopka on the and then on the on the west side, it goes all the way to the county line.
Winter Park wants to stay with Maitland somewhere in the center. >> Can you go? >> Okay. So, that this map had, you know, had opposition from Winter Park and then also it takes Oori completely out of district 2 and then moves our our uh our
district here to the to the uh east including uh Pine Hills, Eatenville, and Fair View Shores. And then uh district six has uh Tangelo Park, Oakidge, Orla Vista. Uh so what they do here in this
district is they they take out the north part of Pine Hills and they create a new district with Okcoy. Uh but it also does some things on the east side too that uh some folks have raised concerns particularly in district three. Uh it
takes out some communities that were in district three and puts them in in new districts. So, as I mentioned, there's 15 folks. There's commissioners. We we have uh commissioners come to the meeting and says, "I don't like this map because you're taking out this community from my district. I want, you know, Pine
Castle or Taft in my district." So, we've have regular public comment from commissioners seeking to keep some communities of interest or cities within their district. So, >> I don't like that one. >> This map is map 3A. Uh, that's one of
the maps that that are in for consideration. Mayor, I'm sorry you had a question. >> Yeah. Well, it it to the average citizen, I'll tell you what it is is it's a it's a it's a voters's Democrats or Republicans or whatever you want to call it, that's
what it is. This these maps are getting made up by the Democratic people in Orange County. It's it's ridiculous to me with the one with you got Winter Garden, Oakland, Tildenville, Windmir, Lake, but all the way down into
that um what do you call it? The new place where they're spending money. >> Horizon West. >> Horizons West. Yeah. >> They're trying to And then it just to me it's all got to do with politics. >> Well, that's >> I don't like this one. >> That's that's that's the uh
>> the problem you got is and you're sitting there. I know, but the votes are outnumbered on what we're going to do here, >> right? >> I don't know why it is do it and say, "Hey, it's over." >> Here, I'll I'll I'll share the the the um the population of Orange County uh
has has shifted a bit and it's changed. So, um >> that's what I wanted to ask you. How many population are in each district? >> 100 approximately 180,000 people. >> Every one of them >> approximately give or take. There's a deviation on some but it's it's some
some have 185 178 so it deviates. >> You'll have to change. >> What is the pink with Windmir and Oakland and all that? >> What is that? >> That's district one. >> That's district one. >> What's the number in there? >> One. One. District one. Oh, the population 180. Oh, today
>> going to be way more than that. If you wrote out there and seen what they're doing. >> No. Well, right now the population is probably about one about 275 or two and they're bringing it down to 180. >> Where are they bringing it down at? >> Uh smaller districts, more compact districts.
>> Oh, well that's useless. >> All right, Angel, I think it's important that you go over like with Winter Park what each of the other jurisdictions said was important to them. Um the city's uh Winter Park has stated Winter Park is
represented by the District 5 commissioner who also represents you know east rural county east uh Orange County. So and that's been in place for several years. Winter Park originally originally district 5 was just Winter Park, Matland and then downtown Orlando.
But as the county has grown the district has grown as well. So, the city of Winter Park and we've had number of I mean several commissioners have spoken publicly and the city manager have have asked for a district that's compatible with downtown Orlando with with Winter
Meland. I support that. That's compatibility. For example, East Orange County is rural, right? It's very different than the center part. So, there's common issu common interest, common issues. Sun Rail. Those cities are on the Sun Rail corridor. They need
funding. They need, you know, we need roads out here. Apopka needs roads. Winter Garden needs roads. Winter Park, Maitland, they need money for Sunreil because they're losing money on Sunreil. So, there's any future transportation funding that's approved by voters. The
district, the cities are going to get a proportionate share of the funding. So, what we need is money for roads. What Winter Park and Maitland need is money to to subsidize rail uh Sunrail. We're not on the Sunreil quarter. They are. So, some these cities have things in
common. Bell Isle and Edgewood and Pine Castle out west. We have things in common with Winter Garden and with uh Apopka, Oakland. We've got we're character towns. We're small. You know, our downtowns are are heading in the
same direction. So, that's what we're hearing. >> Pardon? But they're not doing that. >> They're doing it on the east side, but nothing you've shown us has up with >> Well, there there's other maps. >> That's what I meant. Angel, I want you to cover what Winter Gardens position
has been so that our commission can understand that. >> Okay. All right. So, >> more relevant. >> Okay. I'll show you the other maps as well. Um this is another map that uh has has oki out of out of is this the same one?
Oh yeah, I think this is the same one. Hold on. >> Yeah. >> Okay. A font two. >> A font two was actually rejected. These maps have been updated. Okay. So I'll show you a Okay. I'll show you a map that uh
this one is a map that has support from the city of Warner Garden and also um has a support from the west orange chamber. This is uh map two. An amendment was submitted yesterday that changed some of the map on the east side
and then uh was uh there was opposition to that. Okay. This map has it's the only map that has Winter Garden, Oakland, Okcoy, and Apopka together. Okay. Uh this map
uh was was presented by member David Washington who lives in district uh 4. And what he did was he created a district that has uh isolates Horizon's West uh keeps Williamsburg in keeps
Windermir go Dr. Phillips all in district 1, but it removes Winter Garden from district 1. Puts us with puts Oakland, Winter Garden, Okori, and Apopka. Uh, all of Apopka into district 2, but they take but this map also has Clar
Kona away from district two has lawart from district 2 and uh and all that. So, but this is the map that had that had support from the West Orange Chamber. They sent a letter in support. Uh an amendment to this map failed yesterday
because of something that some impacts on the east side of of town. Um I'll go on to the the other ones. Any questions on this map? >> What what's that number for this one? >> This is map two. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, um let's see here. Okay. This is another map. This map was submitted by uh Tom Kalen who's from district three. This is an interesting map because what it does is it it actually cuts part of Okcoy. Uh
you see how Okoy is split along 50. It splits Winter Garden splits puts downtown Winter Garden, downtown Okoy and the north part of Okcoy into district 2. Has Oakland in district 1. Has a south side of Winter Garden and south side of Okoy into district 1. This
is the way Okoy used to be back in 2011 where it was split. Okay. This map uh keeps Clar Kona in district 2, but it takes Lockhart and puts it in a new district with Winter Park, Matland, Eatenville, and it has more of that
central district. Uh leaves district 6 pretty much intact. And then uh it takes um for example uh on the on the iDrive side, it takes the south side of iDrive away from district 6 and puts it in in a new district. But
as far as we're concerned, this map splits Okoy into two and keeps uh puts Winter Garden, half of Winter I mean the north part of Winter Garden in district two as well. That's map number four. Uh let's see here. Some of see some of
these maps were amended last night and uh >> I'm sorry. Can I ask a question? >> Sure. >> You did did we look at map one and two there?
>> Yeah. One here. It's the the map >> same as a AF >> Aant. Yeah. He amended it. This is a a different version on the on the east side. On the west side, it remains the same. Okay. Okoy. What this one does is that it includes
uh Winter Park, Matland, Eatenville in with Pine Hills. >> Got it. >> Okay. So that's that map is still alive along with the map uh maps map two, right? So map one, two, >> effectively bag of three. >> Okay. Map three was the is this is still
alive. This is map uh >> Washington two. >> No, this is BA. This is the one that I showed earlier. Uh this map is still alive. This is the one that has Okoy uh takes Ooy out of district 2 and has us on the on the >> Okay. >> on the west side of Pine Hills. >> Got it.
>> Bagger. >> Okay. So, map four is the calendar. This is the one that I just showed you. Uh map five was this one is this is Henry map one.
Uh, this one has a little bit of Okcoy in the on the south part of Okoy also in district 1, but it has all of Winter Garden and Oakland into district 2. North part of Okoy in district two, the south part in district 1. This is map
Henry uh Henry 1, which is map number five. Uh, this is the second one of font. I showed it already. You all you've all seen that it has Ooran in with district two.
Okay. And then map seven is also has Okorean with district two. So out of the remaining maps we have one map which is map number two Washington map has Okoy with Winter Garden. The other maps have there's three maps that
have Okoy all of Okcoy into district two with a popka Winter Garden in district one and then there's one map uh Kalen which there's two maps that split us Kalen and >> uh Henry one splits us.
So that's where we're at. You need a summary or is that that's good? >> That's good. >> Any questions? Washington map number two is the one that the I'm just making sure my notes are correct. This is one the chamber
wrote in support of us together. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can you go back to that one for me, please? Just to make sure. That was Washington map number two. >> Okay. >> Okay. keeps a popka all of a koi Tildenville
Winter Garden Oakland >> with us going up to the Lake County line I'm assuming. >> Yeah. Zephr Hills or Zelwood. >> Zelwood Tangerine. Okay. And then does it is it
>> Okay. No. >> Um >> Thank you. the uh I um I supported this map Washington 2 at the meeting before last. Uh we didn't we didn't really take a
vote on the on the actual map. We just went around the room and I I voiced uh this map had uh Winter Garden speak in support of it. Had the West Orange Chamber. I spoke about the the benefits of keeping three municipalities with common interest in one district and but
what it does really it really isolates Horizon's West because Horizon's West is all unincorporated. So right now the District 1 commissioner is overseeing uh Winter Garden, Oakland, Windermir,
Horizon's West, Dr. Phillips is a lot quite a bit. So this map pretty much isolates the unincorporate areas of Horizon West, Dr. Phillips, all in one district. There's a lot of growth in Horizon's West and then it keeps puts the cities uh the three cities together.
I supported uh although we didn't take a vote when we were going around the room. I nodded and you know in I I supported this originally and then it got through uh passed by one vote uh back in July I think July 9th and then an amendment uh
was submitted to this map but it changed some of the things on the east side and it the amendment failed yesterday 11 uh for actually 14 to1 it failed because it did some things on the east side they they try to amend too many things so the
amendments only two of amendments passed yesterday. Some of the original maps are are still alive. >> I still want to move it. >> Anything else? Uh, >> this map does what you said before. It keeps Maitelland, Winter Park, and downtown together. >> Correct. >> And it keeps us together.
>> Correct. Uh, by the way, Winter Park has spoken in support of this map. Um, Winter Garden, the West Orange Chamber. Um, and uh I think
now Maitlin is in favor of another map. I believe I I I forgot. This is It's been a lot of meetings and all that. >> Personally, I like that we're being kept together. >> Out of all the maps you showed me, unless I'm not seeing something that you
see because you've been going to these meetings, this Washington map number two does a lot of what we want, right? at least I assume to be kept together with municipalities that we tend to call them our sister cities in a way, >> right? >> Working with them.
>> Um, >> and my my original plan when I started this is I was working on these maps. I wanted to create a district that had Okcoy and Winter Garden and then uh go south, but then take the south part of Horizon's West and put it in a different
district. But the folks from Horizon's West, uh, one of the members submitted a map that did that, by the way, that split Horizon's West and the folks in Horizon's West showed up totally in opposition says, "No, no, no. We want to stay in one district." So,
that really was not going to go anywhere. And then, you know, the the members have been vocal based on uh public comment as well. So, um, you know, this map may have support from some of the members, but it won't have support from others. And, uh, this is
one of, this is a a a real talking point this this west part of the the county. >> Think this is a long shot. >> Yes. So, um, >> can I ask? >> I've been attending a lot of those those meetings and I've been I've been
watching this um, since February. Um you know the whole saying is you can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. Uh it was a testament last night as to um when you got the amendments 15 minutes after the meeting started you got the
amendments and it was a lot of confusion. >> Right. >> So just looking and understanding what you guys are dealing with. This is a heavy lift. This is not something that that that you guys going to come in and say here's a map we want this one. Here's a map we don't like that one. It is a lot of opposition. It's a lot of
when you have the commissioners coming in chiming in as to what they think the map should be. So, it's it's it's a lot of pressure on you guys. So, first of all, I want to commend you for taking on this task and the service that you've put in into um these these maps, even
submitting your own map and the fact of the matter that you're you're coming here. Uh and I heard last night that some of the other cities actually did uh put in their resolution or put in the the the um the resolutions to support certain maps. and and I thank you for coming to do that. Personally, as I've
seen all these different maps, we dwindled down to to seven maps last night. I think all the most of the amendments got kicked out. I mean, last night kicked out because it was just ridiculous, >> right? >> Um I I I like the idea. Me personally, I support the idea of cities that have
commonalities such as Winter Garden, Okoy, Popka. um the maps that support those commonalities. I I would support those especially when it comes to Okoy and Winter Garden and aka uh and Oakland. So, uh there's a few
there and I and I I would hope that this commission would uh get behind any map that would support the commonalities of our of our communities. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, >> what do you think the chance of that being, Commissioner?
>> From what I heard last night, um, the Washington map looks good with the with exception of the amendment they tried to put in last night, right? It was just it was crazy. >> But, um, looking at this particular map here, uh, that that puts us, um, where I
think we should be, uh, the chances of this map going through. I think there's there's another Henry map that might be yet still out there that's going to I think it's going to get down to this map and probably the Henry map because I think these maps also take into consideration the congressional districts as well. So, uh with that
being said, I believe that um this is a this is a good map. I like this map and I think that it has a good chance of uh actually um >> here here >> being one of the final final maps. >> Yeah. Here here's what what I think what I think is important. Okcoy is in district two. All of Okcoy is in
district two. Okay, this map keeps us in district two, but it also brings in Winter Garden to district two. Winter Garden is in district one. This Winter Garden has always been in district one. So, what this map is doing is it's bringing Winter Garden in with Okcoy. Okay. So, I believe that at a very
minimum, Okcoy should stay in with this all all of Okcoy should be in district 2. If we can bring Winter Garden with us, that'll work. But we want to remain in district two because we've been in district 2. We work well with Apopka and
uh the city of Winter Garden, by the way, the city of Winter Garden has has expressed interest in joining District 2. They have the there was a letter there was a joint letter from uh sent by Mayor Johnson and Mayor John Reese from Winter Garden that the the letter stated
that the cities want to stay together. As Commissioner Wilson, these are the sister cities. There's a lot of history. So, there is a an argument that could be made to keep Winter Garden and Okoy or sort of reunite Winter Garden and Okoy.
I'm only one I'm one out of 15. And these maps, >> it's like, you know, a an air balloon, right? Uh a water balloon. You press here and it puts pressure somewhere else. So, what happens is that it these maps once once you start changing it creates problems elsewhere and some
folks that say, "Hey, wait a second. you're impacting my community. As I stated, the first thing I said, the the map that has zero impact on any of the cities and any of the communities of interest is Alont map one. He went he
went in and he just drew these maps and they are they have zero. You know, this is a map that everybody leaves. We we may not have gotten what we wanted, but we didn't lose anything. We didn't win, but we didn't lose. So, just keep that in mind. Um,
>> can you bring that one back up? >> Which one? Al font. >> Yeah. Is that map one? >> Yeah, that's map one. >> No, I'm clature. >> Is that No, that's the one that splits us. Henry one. It leaves us whole, >> but it doesn't give us winter garden. >> Winter garden.
>> Right. >> Okay. Yeah. and it has Matland, Winter Park, Eatenville together. >> I have a question and I don't I don't know if you want to answer it and Commissioner Oliver wants to answer it.
Um why what is the the what is the logic or the reasoning why this map why you say uh Washington or Henry not Washington or this map are likely
what is it about this map that what's the opposition to us on this map >> the the the map that I believe has based on what we hear of public comment has the most support I believe is uh the Henry map two. Okay, I think I showed it
>> that splits us north south. >> No, that's Henry map one. Henry map two doesn't split us. Let me put it pull it up here. M It's map seven. It's map seven. >> Um split time. I have Tom >> Henry one splits a >> Okay, this is Henry 2. This keeps us
whole and it keeps Winter Garden and Oakland. >> So it's like off on one, >> right? >> This map does something different. And this map has Winter Park uh with uh the east side down here. >> Oh, okay. Instead of the south side.
>> You see Winter Park has has Winter Park going all the way over here. >> Winter Park's not with Maitland, >> right? And it has Matland uh Farewell Shores, Pine Hills, Eatenville in District 7 and uh District 6 remains pretty much the same and all that. But
this map is the map that has uh that probably has the most uh public support at least. I do a lot of uh you know research and I listen and and all that. Some members are simply just they don't say anything
just they just vote, right? I I I ask questions. I qu you know Commissioner Oliver was there. He heard me. I was very vocal yesterday. So >> very >> well. It to me it all comes down to what the
um commissioners are for the districts is what they're going to do to help the district. That's all what it's about in truth. You all know that, >> right? >> You you know, right? I mean, it's all about who's in that district is going to help that district, >> right? >> I mean, that's where it comes to. No
matter where you're at, really, I guess, but I just don't want to see us back in two two split two districts. Okay. >> For so long. But honestly, it's all about the commissioner you can get to put in that district that'll help you. That's where it all comes down to. I
mean, it's a lot of energy, a lot of I I think they made a mistake going to 27 and myself personally, but that's that's another thing. But yeah, I I just think the commissioner is going to be who you put in that office is going to do that.
Well, can I can I ask you since you know and you were here, we only recently went to all of Okoi in one district and >> Well, let me let me correct that. Originally, the original maps had us all in district one in 1989. >> Okay.
>> And then and then in 20 2011, >> they got split. >> They split us and we were on the south side. When I moved into AOY, >> I was I was in district one and then but and so was the north part. Then in 2011, they split us. The southside stayed in
one, the north side. And then in 2021, they put us back in district two. They put us all in district two. >> Okay. >> So, >> so since 2021, it doesn't seem like it's been better. Are we
just looking at the politics of the area? >> Are we putting all our eggs in one basket and we're going to get a bad commissioner? Is it is it possible that it might be better to have it split and have two?
>> Like I I got I I'm not naive about it because I I know what happens. It's all about who the going to be that you're right. whether we're we we might be lucky enough to have another one, but it it's going to be
>> traditionally the district 2 commissioner has come from a popka. In fact, they've all come from a popka. >> Yeah. >> From the first election in 1990 all the way through, where are the priorities going to lie? Mhm. >> We had one back in
>> So if we have a smaller district, district two, Okcoy has pretty much the same amount. Maybe a popka has a few thousand more people than we do. We're number three in the county. They're number two. Winter Garden is number four. But I think Okcoy
could have more influence on who is the district commissioner because we have we these these districts are more compact, >> right? So and two, right? These districts will all be smaller. They all they'll all be smaller. >> More districts. >> Yeah, >> that makes sense.
>> Yeah. I'm >> I just think we we we got to get a good rapport with whoever the commissioner is and right >> try to get help. >> I mean, we're still going to be able to work with whoever's there, >> right? I mean, >> is there a strategy to support
Washington as the primary, but to have a plan B for whatever it is, Henry 2? >> Henry and >> Yeah, it it'll be a good idea if I can go in. We have a a we have a uh remember we we have to select two maps. >> Okay.
>> We have to select the commission wants two maps, county commission. So, we all have to vote on two maps. I can you can support two maps. send them send that resolution in and I'll support those two maps and then we'll see where the where
the chips lie. >> I like that. >> I think we need to look at a little more too with staff and >> Okay. >> Uh just to give you an idea, the 28th is the meeting which is two weeks. Today's what the 19th or so. So we have a
meeting on the 28th. The commission will not meet again. So, the 28th, which is next a week from Thursday, >> right? Why don't we do this just to try to move this along? Why don't we select uh one map that you you sure are we like
this one and then just give me the the direction and I'll I I you know, I've heard you. I know what's important to I live here. I've got a vested interest in these maps being favorable. So if you think it's a good idea to split Okorey, I can push for that. If you think let's
keep Oky in one district, then remember if we stay in district two, we're the same, right? So >> no, I think what you said about staying in one district might be different going forward because the districts are more compressed. I think that's logical.
>> Okay. Yeah. >> I' I'd like us to agree on two. No, I I I I think that that that's too >> I think that that's that's um definitely something that we need to look at. Keeping keeping us whole >> with more compact districts and keeping
us whole. That gives us >> more more um I guess for the lack of a better term, more political clout uh to actually have influence over who's going to represent us. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Has an interest in representing us. >> Great. You know,
>> great comment. I like that interest in representing >> again when you said you have someone from Apakka where's their interest going to lie apka >> well we find that out aren't >> yeah yeah >> but uh >> I think if we all understand it and we
get to the point where it comes time for the lect those people we need to work on that too because we just kind of you know >> right >> a lot of stuff don't happen if you don't have some kind of contact with those people >> all right >> know that Um >> or they have contact with us.
>> They're in contact with us. >> Let's leave it that way. >> You you want to get a >> So what >> get support? >> Let me ask Craig. You've looked at I know you've been going over it with what's your thought process on that? I'm not trying to put you on >> No, that's okay. This is tough because
um the way I look at it has nothing to do with the politics. has to do with environmental protection, transportation planning, utilities planning, downtown master planning and growth planning. Okay. Um we are working very closely
with Winter Garden on a number of things >> and their commission has expressed interest in remaining with OKOE in a map. Okay. We work closely with Apopka as well. Um, aside from, you know, the extrinsic things that have been been offered up about, you know, what kind of
support we may have had in the past, etc., I wanted the commission to understand that Winter Garden did um express official support for remaining with AOE. So, having said that, um your safe bet is to um
I think express support for a map that that shows solidarity with Winter Garden and express map that covers your bases otherwise, which is kind of what you all were talking about. Um but purely from the way I look at it um I would probably
draw a lot of these very differently but politics, population, demographics, those all play have have major points of emphasis in fairly aortioning districts and and um I I think you can do that with supporting a couple of different
options. I do think that because of the the nature of um mutual efforts on a number of fronts with with our neighboring city, I think it would be wise to at least express similar support.
>> I agree. >> So I I think what Commissioner Kennedy and and and uh I think you know the mayor too um was talking about maybe picking a couple options and this is Angel. you know, you can provide insight as to
what you think we should do as well. Um, as far as our bets >> then support uh map two, which is the one that has the three cities together. >> Yeah, we're going to it's officially map number two. >> Okay. >> Uh, >> what did they do? I'm sorry. Did Winter
Garden and West Orange did they just express support for one map or did they hedge? >> They supported just one map. They didn't hedge. Okay. Yeah, >> my personal choice is the is that map too, Washington map that again keeps us
intact with the >> West Orange community. >> Me too. >> And that's >> I agree. Washington, too. It's my choice. >> Yep. I agree. And there's a secondary map. Um the map that keeps us whole.
Will that C open? >> Henry 2. Henry 2's going to be open. >> Um, yep. >> Yeah. C C2 will be open. M District two will be open. Yes. >> Okay. >> That person's ter. >> So, can we officially put all of our chips on Washington 2 and then tell you
that if that's not going to come through, we want you to discreetly support Henry 2. Is that what we should do? >> Well, it's not discreet anymore because we're at a public meeting, right? and and this will be this will be posted in two hours, right? So,
>> we can tell, >> you know, he's he's just being discreet about it. >> He's not saying it's not a public and we're not true transparency. >> We're not going to send a letter in support of Henry T. Send you want staff the item said you wanted staff to send a
letter in support of one thing. Yeah, I think I think it's important that we we support at least one map and and maybe a a second map as well. >> I think we've just Yeah, I'm sorry. >> I'm kind of like what Winter Garden did then and I don't know maybe Commissioner
Kenn, but I think if we put the one they know full well what we want to do. If we put two then they'll just Well, it don't matter. We'll put them over to the two. >> Yeah, I agree. >> I mean that's >> okay. That's we go with one. you're going to be in >> now. So, >> yeah, >> you you you know what to fight for if we
don't >> Yeah, I I have I have been advocating for map um map two. Uh I did not support an amendment yesterday because it did some things on the east side and did some things elsewhere that did not have support everybody. I mean, it got one
vote, the guy that made the motion and then it it failed. So, that amendment failed. So, uh, >> I can support, uh, I can support this map and then, uh, we'll see what happens and then, >> yeah, >> but we have to select two maps next
week. That's it. There's no me coming back. I'm going to I can come back and say this is what happened. May not be the result you wanted, but it might not be map two, but uh, I'm going to I'm going to work to keep all of Okcoy in one district. >> So, so map if you might better call in.
Yeah. >> What Oakland say? Oakland say they want to stay. >> Pardon? >> Oakland said they >> No. No. Oakland has not uh I don't think that Oakland has official taken official position. >> Okay. >> They don't care. >> Winderman. Neither has Windder.
>> So if map two fails, then we obviously support Henry 2. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. >> That's good. We need >> Are we going to put anything in writing? We're going to send the resolution. >> We'll do that. >> Make the motion with that comment made. Somebody can make the motion with the comment that we're going to send it in
through the city uh commission is what they're wanting. >> I'll do that. >> All right. >> Uh I'll make a motion that uh our commission express our support for Washington map two. >> Map two. >> And send in a resolution.
>> Just map two. >> Map two. >> All right. That's You've got that wrote down, right? All right. Do I hear? >> Second. >> Second. Commissioner Fner second. All right. Any
more discussion? I hope not. Let's vote. >> I I do. Thank you too, Angel. I know that's 22 meetings is a lot of meetings. You met them all. >> I missed one. >> You missed one. That's pretty good. >> Thank you. >> Well, thank you. >> You just didn't want to get split up
again on the south side, did you? I will uh real real quick. Craig, would you make a couple comments about the young man sitting beside him? >> Uh yes, >> before he goes back to college. >> I think that's a wise idea. Alex
Delaportia um has been helping his father and I'm not trying to intentionally take a shot at Angel here, but um Alex would have navigated a simple web browser and
Adobe software without any technical assistance whatsoever. um he's actually been very instrumental in helping us with some of our efforts um looking at tax reform and I've had him in meetings with Apopkin Winter Garden and he's been
able to use a lot of his technology knowledge to to help us compile concise presentation materials in a very quick time frame. And um I I think he's one of the brightest young people that we've
had come across in a very long time. And uh I don't I reserve that comment um for only a select few. And um he will be heading back to um he's actually volunteered his time with his father and uh this summer and uh he's heading back
to graduate school. He's pursuing a MPA at Florida State University >> and uh there >> I believe he's heading back to college on Wednesday. Um but you know he has a
ringing endorsement from me. >> Yeah, we really appreciate. Thank you, sir. Let's give him a big hand, folks. >> All right. Thank you personally. Thank you. And you too, Angel. You would have done this presentation a
whole lot faster than I would. >> Well, I would take control. >> Yeah. All right, let's let's move to uh comments from commissioner. Before I do that, I got read off all the little dooods here. August events Okcoy Youth
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Wednesday from September the 10th through October the 29th, 6:00 p.m. through 900 p.m. Shred to Protect is Commissioner Wilson. Saturday, September the 13th from 9:00 am to 12 pm. Hosted by the Okcoy Police Department in partnership with the Okcoy
Lions Club and the GFWC Woman's Club of Okcoy. The first box is free. There is a suggested $5 donation per additional box. Bring big boxes. The first box. >> No, wait a minute. Wait a minute. >> We're picking those up. Wait a minute.
>> Pool closes for the season. Sep. Sunday, September the 14th will be the final day the pool is open. Pool reopens in early May. All right. Commissioner Kennedy, >> no other comments. >> Oh. Oh, you don't have anything?
>> Commissioner Oliver? >> Um, I did have one comment, but uh thank you Norin for for making that announcement. Um, hurricane season again. Uh, we're in the midst of hurricane season. Please, please, please make sure you're prepared for uh the uh
incoming weather as it it is predicted to be a a predicted to be a very active hurricane season this year. And um and my my final quote will be life never seems to to be the way we want it, but we live in the best way we
can. There is no perfect life, but we can fill it with perfect moments. That's all I got. >> Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Fner, >> no, I don't have any comments. >> Commissioner Wilson, >> you took care of it. September 13th, the shredding bank, the police department.
Please do not bring huge boxes. I'm not very strong. And um banker's boxes are probably this size. If you can and um again, gather all your uh secure documents that you want shredded. The truck will be there and it shreds them
on site. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Um, I just make a few comments about a district for the city. We all we all talk about the diff different districts in our town and what we want to do and
we try to help the different areas, but I I uh Commissioner Fner, you district runs up on security circle. >> Yes. >> Nothing nothing against Commissioner Fner. I don't take this wrong way. I I think we we as a city, we do not pay
attention to some of the areas we have. >> You're right. >> And that is one of them, folks. I don't know any of you go there. Any don't live there. You were to go take a day or couple hours and ride through the areas and see what it is. The pavement's not done. Sidewalks need work. And it's it's
a it's a place where there's got to be some kind of code enforcement that'll go in and make the ones that are in there trying to do what they got to do do it. The streets are terrible. Um I I seen a 12t wall put up with with
metal that stops the air from moving for the people that live next door to it. So I'm telling you that we as a city has got to be able to take our people and go down there and look at some of the stuff that's going on. And >> I'll pay more attention. >> I mean I mean we all got it everywhere,
but I mean this place is >> Yeah. It's old. But the problem is they still that's where they afford to live. That's where they they got to live. And I think we u Craig, you working on something for one of them. I know. >> Mayor, I'm I'm working on something for
several of them. Um we are actively trying to engage Orange County uh regarding their home repair program and um some of their programs offered through CDBG or community development block grant. Uh we had a meeting with
Duke Energy today to try to address their um some of the power issues with some of those areas that you mentioned to me. Um public works has looked at the street. Um they will be um making a couple repairs in there to bring the
entire street up to our our standard. Um and uh those those actions have already been put in motion. >> And some of the stuff is just like the garbage the the waste collection. It's not getting done in there either. So, it
it it's just something I think needs to be addressed. So, uh we can maybe get the city to look at that and see what we can do to help some of them in there. So, um it's pitiful really, but it it's it makes you wonder, you know, well,
some people can I I honestly don't understand how they can live in air no air conditioning some of these places, but that's what happens. All right, let's just I think everybody knows school's back. Everybody being safe. I will say I don't know if police chief's still here or not, but boy there we have
got to do something on the jam on Blford Avenue >> and the side streets >> in the side streets. I'm I know you're getting calls and I'm getting them from and they had a good suggestion. I'm going to turn it into Craig. What about oneway street on one way and something else where you keep them off two cars
coming down? >> They're blocking. You know, I reported to the chief already, but they're blocking our narrow streets downtown. >> I think just we have I >> there's a lady that's u I'm not gonna say how old she is. She's let's put it she's in her 80s. She lives on the
street going into the elementary school. They park on the street and park in her drive on her driveway and will not move. When she goes out, this lady's I'm telling you, she's in her 80s. She goes out and asks them to move and they will
not move the car. They just told her to go back in the house. So, we have got to have somebody that can >> circumvent that with the police or somebody and tell them they ride through in the mornings, tell them to ride through these streets around downtown
and if they're blocking somebody's house or their driveway, give them a ticket. Maybe they'll get the message. Then >> we have this problem, as you know, every year when school starts and it's It's it's not it's in all my district and I I have residents >> the county don't help
>> and it's constantly the narrow streets that are downtown Yeah. >> do not accommodate people parking there and blocking traffic. >> So that's that's my part. >> Mayor on that. I would love it if the commission would direct me to request that the school board conduct an
operational analysis of the traffic patterns around that school. >> Please. Well, they're doing a lot of re they're doing some remodeling and all that, but they're not doing anything about their parking, about their drive stuff and all that. So, yeah, please. Is that okay with everybody? I work on that
100%. Okay. All righty. Sorry for keeping you long, folks. Have a good evening.