All right, we call to order the uh August 12th meeting of the planning and zoning commission. If everybody stand for the invocation to pledge. Dear Lord, heavenly father, thank you for this day, Lord God. Thank you for all the many blessings that you give given us, Lord God. Please bless our citizens, bless our first responders,
bless our city staff, Lord, in Jesus name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call.
>> Chair Lomneck >> here. >> Vice Chair Forges is absent. Member Keller >> here. >> Member Shakone >> here. >> Member Galvin >> here. >> Member Butler >> here. >> You have a quorum. >> Thank you very much. All right. Consent agenda. uh minutes to the planning zoning meeting held from July 18th,
2025, July 8th, 2025. Can I get a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you. A second. >> Second. >> We have a motion to approve by member Keller and a second by member Shakone. A follows are good. Let's go ahead and vote. >> Oh Shoot. I thought you said
thought you said that. So that was uh approved by member Keller and seconded by member Galvin. All those in favor, let's vote. And then I'm cursing on public television. It's great. That uh passed.
Okay. Uh no old business, no new business. Tonight we're here to do the uh the land development code workshop with the deputy service director Whitfield. >> And there she just shows up out of the >> No, we were back there going over notes
and we're like, "Oh no, it's starting. Let's rush on out." our new time 6:15. >> Yes, sir. Um, let me Okay, so we have a one topic but a lot of ground to cover.
Well, two topics but a lot of ground to cover. Um we had promised from the last workshop that we would bring the uses table and also a followup from the the June meeting where we talked about minimum
removing minimum living area. So the response that staff has is to just retain the minimum living area for the traditional neighborhood that has the larger lot sizes now. And I'll go into that detail as we go on. So, from the
previous workshop, minimum living area, we are proposing 1,00 square feet. Um, we can discuss that if you'd like, go up or down. Some examples, um, my parents three-bedroom, two bath house
is on.33 acres and theirs is,00 ft. Um, I think Tori, your house is, how big is your house? >> My house is 25. 25, but it's two stories on 02 acres. Um, and then we also looked at some houses in the Blofford area and
then in the A R1A. And so they're they're between 11 to um 2000. So we can >> you can discuss like we can discuss this number or we can let it ride just so that there's at least a minimum and the
1,000 is well above the size for being considered a tiny home according to the Florida building code. Um and then because that zoning district allows duplexes, we are proposing to keep it at 650. That's what's in the
code now. So, we'll just keep duplexes at 650 per unit. So, the whole building itself could be a minimum of um 1300. Um we removed the non-conforming regulations discussion here because we had planned on bringing that back, but
having met uh with the city attorney attorney day earlier today, we're not ready to bring that back. So, Craig's directed staff and the city attorney's office to do more research. So, that'll come back later. Okay. Um, I don't recall if we've shared
this with you before, but there was a need um to create a correlations table between the future line use categories and the zoning districts that could be allowed in them. So, we have the new mixeduse future line use designation.
And so, a compatible zoning district would be the mixeduse zoning district. Commercial um would be the neighborhood commercial. So, all of the commercial zoning districts, um the mixed residential district and the urban village district,
professional offices and services, neighborhood commercial, which now includes um office uses, and then urban village, which also includes office uses, light industrial, um keeping the LI,
light industrial, the arterial commercial, because we're speaking in terms of like craft industrial, um community commercial, commercial, arterial commercial. Not fond of the arterial commercial nomenclature. So, we're we are thinking about maybe coming
up with a different title for that. Um and then the mixeduse category. Um heavy industrial is just same heavy industrial. So, I2 um arterial commercial. So, those are like along the state roads and the um collector roads,
ma major collector roads. And then mixed use. Um, we have a future land use category for public facilities and institutional uses and a zoning district for public lands and institutions has kind of been on the books, but it doesn't exist anywhere on the map. So, we're just keeping that the same
high density residential. Um, so the various types of residential classifications um and the commercial classifications that allow the different kinds of higher density residential. Uh medium density residential is the urban neighborhood,
urban village which includes and and residential transition. So looking at tiny homes, cluster homes, um duplexes, multiplexes, things like that and then neighborhood commercial where upper floor upper floor residential is
allowed. Uh below medium density would just be the urban village and neighborhood uh urban neighborhood. Low density is the category which occupies the majority of the city where we are just limiting that to traditional neighborhoods. So
maintaining those larger lots to protect those residential neighborhoods. Um recreational open space again public lands institution there isn't a that district isn't applied anywhere. So it it's just going to stay unchanged.
Any questions on that? Okay. All right. You saw this briefly back in June. Um we fleshed it out some more. So um in June we were looking at summarizing or highlevel permissible
uses. Today we're going to go over um all of the permissible uses the special exception special exception uses and any use that's not listed we would would be considered not permitted. Okay. So traditional neighborhood would
capture the current agricultural zonings. So the one acre half acre A1 A2 the rural cluster um country estates halfacre 1 acre and then RAA and RA are your lease the lesser dense zoning
districts. So those will go under traditional neighborhood. So the uses under that would be the traditional single family residence urban agriculture tier one uh which is the more intense one but we're establishing a minimum acreage of
2 acres because we're considering because there's there's still existing a A1 properties and the existing land development code allows um agriculture a whole variety of agriculture. So, we can't not allow it because we don't want
to take someone's existing rights away. Um, but we're just making that a minimum of two acres. Um, so anyone who has like a oneacre farm, for example, can still operate, but any new farms would have to be at least a minimum of two acres. Um, not including chickens because
chickens are allowed now. They're just going to stay how they are. Um, go where they please. Um then there's urban agriculture tier 2 which is um the non-invasive type stuff like fruits and veggies and apiaries. We didn't set a minimum acreage for
apiaries because they're essentially regulated by the state department of agriculture services already. And then we have public park and recreation facilities, community gardens, public libraries and religious institutions that is in there because um
it's allowed by right in A1, A2, RC1 and RCE2. Um so special exceptions for this traditional would be duplexes. So again, even though we have a minimum living area for duplexes, it's not a by right
use, but because it's allowed by special exception, we needed to have a standard for it. Um, public and private schools, um, that's the same as what is now. Um, golf courses, the same as now. Private clubs, um, childcare, nursing homes, those are
all required by special exception now. So, we're just leaving those the same. Going on to urban neighborhood. Um, so from left to right, we're going in more dense. So the R1A, R1, R12, if you look at the existing minimum lot standards,
they're almost all the same size between 7,7500, 8,8,500 square foot in size for the lots. So we group those together. So uses allowed in that category would include single family residences, um duplexes, adult
congregate living facilities, urban ad tier 2, which are the non um animal tier, public parks and community gardens, and then the special exceptions will still stay the same. Urban village. So you'll see R2 in the
urban neighborhood section and R2 in the urban village section because this current table lists them um R2 for single family and R2 for duplexes. So we group them, we split them up that way.
Um so Urban Village is trying to create the concept of creating a little village to help promote that walkability. Um you'll see in the commercial aspect of it, a hearing would be required for your commercial and you can't exceed 2,000
square feet. Um so single family, town homes, duplexes, multiplexes up to four. So basically nothing bigger than a quadruplex building. Um live work units. So you can have like the one that was approved back many years ago, actually
2021 when I first started along Ruis and uh Lakewood. No. Yes. North Lakewood where the first floor is commercial, the second floor is a single family, I mean a single residential unit. So that would be like a live work situation, public
parks, community gardens, etc. Um, so it's interesting that I see this now because we just worked on some language with Mike that might come back to this. So I'll bring this back up later. Um,
residential transition is mobile homes. So uh, districts now married to the R3s that allow for multif family and and other high density uses. So mobile homes would go here, tiny homes would go here, cottage cluster homes, community
residential home majors, which are those that serve seven to 14 residents. Um, and then parks and community gardens. And then here, because it's transitioning to the the highest density in terms of development form, we're in
we're including neighborhood scale commercial. So as a byite use so at this point the um these types of uses are much further away from the neighborhood the traditional neighborhood. Um if they
wanted to if someone wanted to go bigger than 2500 square feet then they would have to go through a special exception. Um and then you see the list of other things there. Uh we also recognized a need that there may be someone there may be a need for like social services and welfare services but we didn't list them
as a use by right just to make sure that the commission and this body had a chance to weigh in on those uses that could have impacts to the surrounding neighborhoods. And then the last residential category is mixed residential. So, pretty much
everything um I think we didn't include single family homes because we didn't want to have a situation where single family development comes in and it just sort of negates the possibility of having a mixture of housing types in an area intended for a higher diversity of
housing types um to serve different different stages of life. And then in that scenario, the commercial now is going up to 5,000 square feet. Okay,
we um so this there's a lot of slides, but it's duplicative and I sort of went through all of them here, but these next series of slides is just the same thing in a bigger font. So we provided copies to all of you so that after tonight if
you want to provide feedback after tonight you're welcome to do so and then email them to me and then we'll definitely in include them in our in our code writing with um with Mike and Craig. So I think the intent of this
Tori was to provide it in a bigger font but I literally just went over it so we'll probably just skip through all this. Um, it's just so that you can see it better. And just in case there might have been someone in the audience who wanted to take a picture, this is easier for them to take a picture of it.
Um, okay. Commercial. If you skip a few pages, um, the first page that has the red at the top is non-residential. So, in this one, um, this slide is
intended to show all of the six categories. We started off with, um, six. We're still ending with six because even though we created the new mixuse, we combined PS with C1. Um, and so the thought process on this going from left
to right is that neighborhood commercial is the least intensive type of commercial because generally they will be closest to residential. Um, and then we discussed this back in June that um, the biggest building footprint or the biggest building square footage uh,
would be 10,000. You could have multiple 10,000t buildings or a 10,000 and a 5,000. But in order to keep the scale down to something that is compatible with neighborhoods, we scaled it down to 10,000. And um as I mentioned in June,
the if you think about putting multiple businesses in something the size of a little bit bigger than the L house down the road here, you could probably have two or three nicesized tenants in a 9,000 square foot space. And that's something that people could still walk to.
Um so going from left to right, all of the uses that are allowed in neighborhood commercial would also be um considered allowed in community commercial except that their square footage can be a little bit bigger. Um not a little bit bigger, 15,000 square
foot bigger. Um so I want to step back a little bit. If you look at the existing land use permissible uses table, it lists the zoning districts and then all the
different kinds of specific use types. But if you do that and you try to update that table to consider all the different kinds of use types, then we would create a very long use table that is multiple pages. Um like in some other
jurisdictions we looked at Alito, Castleberry, Winter Garden, Winter Parks and their use table and they sort of grouped them by um use categories. So for example in the neighborhood commercial multiplex residential it's
allowed um because ideally it'll be next to um residential transition or mixed residential upper story residential be allowed retail. So instead of listing grocery store, superstore, appliance store, you know, we just say retail. If
you're selling a product, it's retail. Then dining establishment. We thought that we had a great deal of discussion, Tori and I, about should we say dining with drive-thru, dining without drive-thru, but at the end of the day, it's dining and we want to put in codes
in place that says, "Okay, if you're having dining with drive-thru, then the drive-thru needs to be more well integrated into the site, especially depending on the road system that is attached to. So, if the dining facility
happens to be along State Road 50, it may be okay. that's not in one of our key CRA areas. It could be on 50 or it could be on Silverstar, but if it's along Blofford, we don't necessarily want to see a dining drive-thru along
Blueford. So, um, for example, the CVS going towards Windmir that has a drive-thru, but going driving by there, you can't readily see it. Um, and then we had I think Tori, we meant to have
this establishment without drive-throughs given what we just talked about. So, probably that needs to because there was a point when this actually used to say automobile oriented without drive-thru. So, that might be something that we probably need to look at. Um, oh, I didn't mean to go forward.
Look at again. Um, and then civic assembly and event spaces. Um, there are locations in Winter Park down downtown and Winter Garden where a a restaurant could be rented out as a civic space for
bridal showers or baby showers and whatnot. Um, there could be an opportunity for a museum or a gallery, an art studio or something like that. That's a gallery, not for sale. Um, that would be um a civic space. So, we wanted
to make sure like, you know, when you go downtown, you expect to be able to walk to a museum or walk to a gallery or something like that. So, we included that. Um, public buildings and uses, indoor recreation and and entertainment. Um,
p uh let's see, personal services, and we'll have a definition when we bring the definitions to you on what would be included in personal services. Um, like a laundromat if you notat, a dry cleaner. So if you needed to pick up your dry cleaning on the way to work or
something like that, it could be something nearby. Um then sales service repairs of bicycles and similar vehicles for one person. Um like the what is it called the Winter Garden? The the uh electric
what is it called? Bike works. Wheel works. Yep. because there's such a transition to ebikes and electric scooters and all that, it would be great to if you're relying on your electric bike, it'll be great to just ride it to a location nearby your house to get that
serviced. Um, and then community residential major as mentioned in senior housing. Um, we thought about doing restricted senior housing, but then we also thought about because of the vision
from 2045, the goal is more to looking at standards that sets the urban form and design and layout. um like the ribs of the the property, where the driveways go, where the drive aisles go, where the connections are, access points, the
exterior shape of the building, because uses change over time. But once the building's built and the roads are done, then that takes a lot more to actually have a full demo and reconstruction. Um so those were all the C1 uses or neighborhood commercial uses and then
those would then be allowed in the C2 community commercial in addition to these other things um medical healthcare and without overnight stays. So, um, when we were looking at the Siri, not Siri, the, um, the surgical center on
Winter Garden Road, some of the neighbors to the south of us, which are in Winter, uh, or Orange County, they had called to express concerns about people staying overnight. So, we didn't necessarily want to place something that would allow overnight stays next to a
single family home. So, that's why that is in there for no overnight stays. Um and then business offices and services not requiring outdoor storage or the conduct of business outside. So currently we don't have any line item
for um trade services, your plumbers, your carpenters, your electrical people. Um there's no slot category for them. We'd like to be able to put them in a community commercial as long as their operation doesn't require any outdoor storage or activity so that you're not
they're not disturbing the context of the the area. Um then craft repairs and services as I mentioned before uh I discovered that cobbler down the street on Maguire. So I've taken several of my heels that I love where the heels broken
but the shoe's fine. So they need a place on the used table too. So, um, it's captured through craft repairs and services and then establishments with drive-thru. So, the heavier drive-thru uses, drive-th through banks, uh, I'm
sorry, banks with drive-throughs, um, things that are predominantly drive-thru would go there. Um, community convenience market without gas sales because then community convenience markets with gas sales would be more on the arterial.
Um, and then auto sales office only. Um, exclusively online, no on-site inventory. Um, and then standalone trade schools, um,
pet care services, which is currently which was approved by the commission two years ago, I think, to be in a C2. So, we just carried that over. And then shopping centers, that's also a carryover. So all of those that are in community commercial will be allowed
also in arterial and as you see in this list arterial um gets more hectic. Um so actually toy shopping center we meant
to move that over to C3 I believe. Let's double check. I think I think where oldtime pottery was I believe that's C3. So we just didn't want to create any zoning where the existing development would become a nonconformity.
Um so and then C3 arterial commercial is 50,000 square foot buildings and the more intense commercial square footages. Um light industrial you see all those lists there. Um it's all the uses as
permitted in the arterial commercial except that we wouldn't um allow single family detach homes, duplexes, town homes and multiplex residential in the light industrial. Um craft industrial would be allowed social for services,
medical office with overnight stays. Industrial uses without outdoor storage, which is how we have it now. Industrial uses with outdoor storage is in C2, I mean I'm sorry, I2. So, we'll keep that the same. Car wash is only allowed in um
I1 and C3. Now, I think we're trying to move it away from C3, so it'll just be an I1. Um pet care services and public lodging excluding hotels. Um public lodging is
also in C3. So, I'm sorry I zipped over C3 very quickly. trying to not bore you with all the verbiage, but so heavy industrial would be would capture everything. All the stuff that we don't want anywhere near residential would just go into heavy
industrial. >> Quick question. Yes. >> So if somebody wanted to build a new car wash, it would have to be in in uh L1. >> Uh I'm sorry, C3 and I1. >> I1 is what I meant to say. Sorry. >> Yes, that's how it is now. So you have to be at least C3 and I1 or I1 to have a
car wash. Okay, got it. Thank you. >> And that would be like a standalone where the primary use is the car wash, >> the new ones. Yeah. >> Yeah. Not not like um an ancillary car wash >> like the one that could go behind say Waw Wa, right? Is that I1?
>> That's C3. >> C3. Okay. >> No, I'm sorry. That one's a PUD that allowed car washes. Do we have a lot of L uh I1? >> Not very many. When you leave, you know,
the um south of Franklin area, there's very very limited amount. Um, and then also too, there's a big chunk of the I1's and a small portions of I2 that's now covered by the mixed juice category and those are
predominantly vacant sites um or along the corridors where if they were to redevelop then we would be looking at um requiring the protection of the viewshed to bring the site up and things like that. Um and then mixuse. So when
this one's interesting because when we toiled with thinking about the uses that would be allowed in mixed use right off the bat we were thinking oh what do we want to see in downtown which is now a mixeduse designation and the CRA which is now a mixeduse designation but we
also needed to remember that someone could seek to change a land use category from commercial for example to mixuse if they met the location criteria. IA and the compatibility criteria in the comp plan. So just in case there's a scenario
out there where a mixeduse future line use and zoning could go someplace else, we had to think about those uses as well to see if it made sense. Um residential is in there because the downtown has residential. You know, there are lots of existing single family
homes that we don't want to create as nonconformities. Um so we left that in there. um all the uses that are allowed in the mix residential will be allowed. So the duplex, quads, triplexes, um and the neighborhood commercial
district um so the uses that are way over here on the far left. So the less egregious uses um and sizes. Um and then entertainment, not including adult entertainment. So, um it may be a comedy
studio or you know some place where you can go and and just hang out. Um artisan and craft retail um parking garage. We you know one thought is should that say parking
facilities but we don't necessarily want to use up valuable downtown or CRA space for parking lots, surface lots. So right now we're leaving it as parking garage um so that whoever wants to do that is actually going to make a a worthwhile investment in the downtown or whatever
their mixeduse location is in order to help eliminate the argument that oh we need this for parking so you can't make us do a garage. um they can still provide surface parking, but if they wanted to just use
their lot for just a parking use only, it would have to be a garage. Um and then restricted drinking establishments simply because the current code is very um sensitive to just having bars and cocktail lounges. So we wanted to put in there right now
as a use restricted and then putting in parameters in you know how like in the current use table there are footnotes. So, putting those footnotes at the bottom to regulate maybe the size scale of those drinking establishments.
Um, but you know, you go to any downtown, there's probably at least one location where you can go. First thing on top of my head is like Cheers. >> Um, uh, the wine club, you know, things like that. So,
or the wine bar and there's a wine I think there's a wine bar or a wine club in Winter Park as well. I went in there and I just looked and I w turned right around and walked back because I was just so confused about what I was supposed to do. Um, but there were a lot of people there. I was the
only one in there that did not know what I was supposed to do. Just like when I went to the one here, I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Um, let's see. And then um specialty commercial oh restricted public lodging
that is if you remember the downtown master plan um the commission had approved bed and breakfast in the downtown master plan in two of the four core uh geographic areas. So we didn't want to outright say lodging. We wanted
to have it restricted lodging so that someone could convert their large house for like you know newly retired folks or you know someone just starting out out as a family or a small business they could do a bed and breakfast you know
something along those lines. Um and then just as like the other one with restricted um drinking establishments establishments, we could footnote to the extent of the scale of the the lodging. Um
I do want to say that's not going to be the same thing as regulating tourist homes. State preempts that. So we don't really have a say in anyone converting or using four rooms in their house for a tourist home in any in any zoning district. Um, specialty commercial.
What we thought about specialty commercial has already been created in the downtown master plan. We thought about specialty retail, but retail would just be sales of stuff. If we say specialty commercial, it could be retail plus services. Um, the definition for
that that staff is considering right now are those uses that would be age restricted. So, um, like we did some research, you need a parental consent if you want to buy, uh, if you wanted to pick up your prescription or, um,
tattoos. Tattoo establishments have a age restriction. Um, buying tobacco has an age restriction. So, those are the specialty commercial that, um, could be allowed in the mixeduse area simply
because we have them now. um we don't want to make them um immediately non-conforming, but at the same time, there are probably other specialty things out there. Tori, help me out. What were some of the other uses that were specialty?
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. specific services that um I I'm sure there's something out there that we haven't thought about. We just wanted to be able to catch it in a category and as we're writing the definitions, we'll be looking at definitions from other jurisdictions to make sure that we capture it all. Um and then restricted
religious institutions. Why did we say restricted instit religious institutions? just like >> Yeah. >> So restricted religious institutions and restricted child care is just so that we
can restrict the size through a footnote so that it doesn't create a vehicular issue. If that's something that you you all want to provide input on, we would happily welcome that because that was kind of a struggle because the downtown
master plan allowed them in um because there's four districts, four areas, and they were both allowed in a few of the those areas, those geographic areas. It was actually child care was actually allowed in the downtown core, but it
wasn't allowed um in the industrial special district or in the Meguire corridor. So, churches were allowed in the the downtown core, but not allowed in the neighborhood. So, it's like we we're struggling with that one a little bit
actually. So, please didn't know though we made it to where you have to have a special exception for a church, right? where it can't be automatically approved or >> we can move it to the special exception. It's just that we were trying to tackle the fact that the commission had approved it in certain locations and
without taking those rights away. >> If I remember correctly, I think that conversation started when we looked at the last church that tried to go in over next to Publix. >> That's a conventional zoning district. That was just a C2.
>> No, I know. But I thought we decided all citywide that it was going to be a special exception. >> I can look back at that hearing if that's the case. And >> it wasn't for that hearing, but I thought the commissioner some made a made that a ruling to where churches
needed to be a special exe exception. >> Um, let us look through the city commission notes. Do you remember? thinking correctly because it was about, you know, the >> if if you're going to go close to where there may be a place that's already
established that could sell alcohol or same thing with downtown. Uh, >> right. We discussed like um provisions where if a church were approved that you know it next to a plaza like a Publix that could have alcohol sales uh or
alcohol consumption then the the provision would be that that church facility couldn't raise the stink basically. Um yes I do remember that conversation where they couldn't come to a hearing and make a request to the commission to reject something because
they are there. I think part of that made the conversation then go I I think it should be a special exception. >> Okay. >> My my opinion >> I think Tori's taking notes. >> Yeah. I'm gonna second that because that was going to be my question too. >> Okay. >> Not that we we want churches, right? We
want it to be a special exception because of the caveats that it could create. >> Okay. Do you want that for all of the zoning districts where churches might be allowed? Okay. >> Because you never know. I mean, you look in, you know, the neighborhood commercial, right? There could be a a
liquor store or a small wine shop there, whatever, right? >> And I mean, same with uh any chil any school. >> I think when Mr. Melon was here, he had suggested that staff look at um article 43 regarding alcohol sales and
consumption to see if there was still a need to have churches in that list for the location criteria. Um, we haven't really discussed that since Mike was our director. I can certainly bring that back up to him to see if
>> just changing that to exclude churches then schools will still stay the same. >> So, that's something that we can bring back to the board. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, is there is there a requirement for daycarees to be a certain distance away from alcohol sales
as well or >> you know, when I was at Oido, when we are writing our legislation for micro breweries, we could not find it anywhere in statutes that it had to be a certain distance from um a place that offered on-site consumption. >> Okay.
>> So, I'm wondering if it's just something that was put into place by this city commission, you know, a couple decades ago. Yeah, I would definitely like to see if that's a because if that's the case, then I would want that as well to be a special exception. >> Okay.
>> Again, right in a neighborhood. >> Oh, for schools. I think schools not allowed there now. So, um schools, I see schools. Schools. I know there schools allowed by special exception and the residential districts.
So, let me look. Okay, sorry. This is the list here for mixed use. I'm sorry, for special exceptions. This we couldn't put on one slide. So, um it looks like schools. Yes, the second from the bottom
bullet is special exception for private or public schools. Um standalone vocational and trade schools. So they could have a trade school as part of a, you know, inside of an office space. You know, for example, if someone had a office building that had space available
to lease to uh someone looking to operate a nursing school for inhome care nurses, they could go into that space, >> right? Um, >> does public or private school encapsulate daycare or
>> in our current definition, preschools and daycarees are included, but when we revise the definition, we can consider taking daycarees out >> and they would need to be a special exception. Mhm.
Cuz dayc carees um they don't report to FDOE. Um I believe the ones that have EPK funding, they're just on the docket, but they're not an official academic
preschool. Um based on my recollection of when I worked at the state with um DOE doing school concurrency, it was um kindergarten and above. So would you consider like country day school over here which is a daycare but they do do VPK?
>> Yeah. So VPK is prechool not kindergarten. >> It's and I'll double check with DOE but it's my understanding that it's it's kindergarten and higher. >> Okay. >> So that's one of the things that I wanted to look at as far as revising the school definition because it also
excludes universities and colleges and trade schools. So we want to update our um we have two staff people working on the definitions right now. >> Cool. Thanks. >> Um so this first slide which went into
some details permissible uses then we have a special exception uses. Um there's a there's a lot to go through there. Um but just like with the residential we're saying any use that's not listed and these are use categories
that are not listed are considered prohib per not permitted. Um outdoor commercial for example outdoor recreation um commercial recreation for example would be a special exception. Um
case in point Orange County just opened the putt putt greens putt putt golf place over there on Independence. Um pop hop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop something >> pop pop stroke >> popstroke almost ran across some urban
flats no um urban air >> urban air >> sorry I don't think there's an urban flats anymore >> urban air sorry but um that would be an outdoor commercial recreation but if it's nicely scaled and fits into a mixeduse environment may not be here
downtown but it may be mixed use over there north side of the city or something like that that could be allowed as a special exception depending on on the impact >> like special exception >> away from the city. >> Special exception away from the city
>> that it would be approved. >> Uh well I don't understand away from the city. What do you mean? >> So like you just said that uh kind of like >> Oh away from downtown like >> I mean downtown. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. Away from downtown. Um, but if
there were to be like a, you know, maybe somebody wants to do like a um like a rock climbing wall or something small scale that's that mix well as an example, >> a pickle ball court, an outside pickle
ball court. >> I'm not even touching that one. Um, so we got our properties across the street here and we have the properties on the southwest corner of McKe and CM that if for example there are buildings in place where there's recre there's commercial
retail restaurants there might be an opportunity for just some sort of outdoor entertainment >> recreation that fits that site that could be allowed like a little small rock wall or something that could be outside or a
children's play zone that could be inside outside. Um, when my kids were little, my sister would take them when she lives in Tampa, she would take them to the kids zone that has indoor and outdoor recreation space. It's a commercial establishment, but it allows indoor and outdoor space for children to
play. Um, as you're reading through this, any questions? I don't I don't want to like read through all of them. anything that's jumping out at you right now that you want us to consider. Um, you can always write your comments, mark it up
how you'd like, and then send them back to us. This is a lot to absorb in one evening in a very short time. Um, but we do want to Yes. >> Yeah. >> We can email it to you as well.
>> We can email it to you in PDF. Um, that's probably easier for us to keep track of instead of PowerPoint. >> Yes. >> Um, yes, sir. >> Do we have any updates? I know this is probably not part of this, but uh from
our last conversation where we got stuck in the mud on uh on uh change of change of use with Black Auto. >> Yes. Um yes, that we have looked into it, but no, we don't have an update for you.
Well, I think that, you know, I know that we looked into the one section, the the one part about >> I don't remember the specifics of changing the use, but that that what we were trying to do is not is not >> so the the change of tenency and occupancy.
>> Um, I don't really want to say that yet because Craig specifically said that we're not bringing that non-conforming regulations back to the to the board until legal and city staff has had more time to research. So, um, yeah, >> but so far it looks like it's probably
not >> going fly. Yeah. Yeah. Good. >> Nonconforming change of occupancy. >> Legal non-conforming change of occupancy. >> If it's an illegal non-conforming change
of occupancy, they have no rights. >> Right. >> Okay. So, zipping through all these because we went through it over um Oh, good grief. Um the last slide. So um something that's come up recently
is um uh an interest by um a couple of elected officials and some residents through some other community meetings that wanted staff to evaluate whether or not the threshold for whether something qualifies as a large scale or a small scale needs to be
reconsidered. So the current existing thresholds for non-residential is 25,000 square feet. Um and then for residential is more than 12 dwelling units. And what staff has come up with is for non-residential is
10,000 square ft. So that ties into the neighborhood commercial um zoning district, but there are uses out there that are smaller than 10,000 that have a significant impact to the surrounding areas. So we're also proposing that any
use regardless of the size that causes an adverse impact to capacity capacity for transportation um infrastructure utilities and things like that or a use that when we evaluate it causes the um level of service to not
operate to fail. Do >> you have an example? >> Convenience source with gas sales. It's less than 5,000 square feet, but it's literally 200 plus trips per fueling station per day. >> So, a gas station with eight or 12
pumps. >> Yeah, most of them most of them now are at least eight fueling positions. So, four bays with one on each side. Um, fast food restaurants, the trend that we are seeing now are the ones that don't
have any um patron space on the inside. is strictly vehicular use. Um there we actually had a preop on one now where it's it's less than 1,000 square feet but it's entirely vehicular.
>> Now that'll be like a checkers, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> How how do you know what the adverse impact on transportation would be? So we have the concurrency management system now and based on the IT manual all the
uses are captured there. So if we see a use that changes to something that's going to create a a a big hit to our system then we will require it to go to a hearing as a large scale. >> And what are the adopted levels of is
that the the going into the same thing on the level of service standard? >> Yes sir. It's in it's those standards that are in the comp plan that was recently adopted. For example, if the use requires um you know, if if the use requires a
lot of trips and we want to make sure that it's an area that that promotes pedestrian and bike use and the facility isn't there or the facilities aren't there, then we would bring that item to the um the city commission for a hearing
to make sure that they look at the systemic impact. and then leaving residential the same. So that's all that we have for you tonight for in terms of our data dump.
Um we definitely welcome your feedback. Please take your time and looking through the uses. Um if there's anything that there's a use out there that you're familiar with that we've missed, please let us know that. If you feel that something needs to be moved into a
different um category, then please let us know that as well. Tori, did I do you want to >> Okay, >> great job. >> Yes. >> Good. Thank you. >> Yep. >> All right. Appreciate you.
>> Yes. Um there is a community meeting tomorrow night for the pickle ball. So, it'll be here in chambers from 6:00 to 8. >> Cool. >> Okay. Do we do we do we come? >> Yes, you can come. You're not an elected official. Um, we've sunshined the
meeting so the the general public knows that more than one commissioner may be there. So, >> commissioner any advertising for it? Where's it? Was it just in the paper? >> No, it's not a hearing. So, we don't advertise it in the paper, but we um
sent it to um 300 ft of the property as well as to the communities of the hammocks and the entirety of Crestwood Heights. And it's also rolling on the community calendar, the spotlight calendar. And >> you ask somebody to put it on Facebook
if if that's allowed. >> We did have we sent it to Doug Gaines with community relations to post it. >> What time is it again? I'm sorry. tomorrow from 6:00 to 8. >> I live two neighborhoods away from there. I didn't know anything about it. So,
>> sorry. Okay. >> I didn't verify whether or not it's on Facebook cuz I'm I'm not a Facebook. >> Okay. >> I don't have Facebook. So, >> I do. >> I I lo I created a Facebook account when my son was two. He's 16.
>> All right. So that brings us to uh number two which is project status report. Any any uh anything you'd like to share? >> Um see oh I do want to share that we are going
to update that project status document because right now I I Ginger and I feel like it's not very useful. Um there's there's we just need to do a better job of doing that document and then linking it to a map system online so that you
can any resident can click on it and know the the project status without actually having access to that documentation. >> It will be great to have it, you know, attached right to either the permitting uh deal. >> That would be wonderful. Um but in terms of projects, we have um we've had a few
pre-application meetings, um a few technical staff review meetings, but we currently don't have any projects that are ready to bring forward to the B the commission. Um there's a new PA
restaurant, you know, a PA Mediterranean restaurant that I'm excited about cuz I like Mediterranean food. >> Yeah. Like a little Greek kind of deal. >> Kind of like a little G. >> Love that. >> Yeah. So, there's a restaurant in downtown Orlando called Peter Pit.
>> Love Peter Pit. >> Man, when I worked at Tinder Oliver, I would go there and I was ask for everything and and he would struggle to roll my pa and just the foil was what the only thing keeping it together. >> The last thing would be the br the the sprouts on the top.
>> Yes. Um but Mr. chair. I will do a a better job of bringing you any updates of things that are either pending. Terrible job. Sorry. There's Ginger when we need her. When is her last day? >> Friday. >> Oh, she didn't think to come here tonight.
>> She was supposed to come here. Um she texted me at 5:50 and said that unfortunately she wouldn't be able to make it. She was going to come and do the sound of music. Farewell I do. She bits you goodbye kind of thing, but unfortunately she wasn't able to return.
>> You let her you let her know. I'm very upset. >> She's watching. She >> ginger. >> She does watch all these hearings and so she's she's watching. >> You want to give any update on the baseball field? Any
>> um so the mass grading permit has come back. Um and I believe Brett has indicated a staff meeting this morning that is ready to be approved. So they're going to their next step is site work permit to do the mass grade. Um they went through several rounds between us
uh planning public works flood plane management. We reached out to D as well to make sure that there weren't any um state permitting requirements as far as soil and and contamination med mitigation. They will provide like air
monitoring stations in different locations on the site to make sure that the particulate matter isn't going above what's allowed um in terms of the arsenic and things like that >> to break ground already. >> Yes, definitely looking forward to that.
Um we haven't heard any movement on the transportation planning on that. So, >> yep. What about the uh I I I knew there were some comments. The uh regional training uh the regional uh training facility is put the sign up. When are we looking to
>> Yep. I believe the groundbreaking is September 27th. Um it's either 17 or 27. I'm pretty sure it's 27th. Um and then let's see. I know that Craig hadn't had
wanted staff to be there. So, we will try our best to be there. >> It's going be great. >> Yep. >> Anybody else have anything else? >> I got a question. I don't know if it relates to this. Um, on Rows and Flewelling, they're doing all that road work. >> Is it on this or no?
>> On this docket because I haven't seen it. >> Um, no. If it's a city project, then it would be on the development project update because it's the development project update is for private property projects. >> Okay. >> Yeah. to get info on that where who would I talk to?
>> Um, so that would be public works. I can definitely pass your question to the city engineer and then um send you an email. >> I just have a question if they were going to put a second coat of of asphalt or they're just going to leave it as how they have it now. >> That I don't know. I know they're going
through the process of remilling and resurfacing some streets, I believe, alongside of their sidewalk improvements, but I can bring back a report to you. I can just send an email to you directly. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome.
>> Thank you very much everybody. Have a good night. You're welcome.