All right, we're gonna call to order the Ocoee Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for May 14th, 2024. Everybody stand for the, uh, pledge and, uh, invocation. Dear Lord, heavenly Father, thank you for this day. Lord God, please help us do the, the work of the city. Lord, please bless all our city staff, our citizens, and our first responders. Lord Jesus, name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. A pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call please. Chair Lomnac here. Vice Chair Forges. Here. Member Keller. Here. Member Williams. Here. Member Crocker. Here. Member Recon. Here you have a quorum. Thank you very much. Uh, consent agenda. Can I get a, uh, a motion for approval of the minutes of April 19th? I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes. Thank you. Have a second. I'll second. That is, uh, approval of the minutes, the planning zoning being held on April nine ninth, 2024 by Member Keller. Second by member, the Williams. All those in favor? Let's vote. Good to go. No old business, new business. 3 3 8 North Bluford Avenue. This is the Rodriguez Property. Small scale, comprehensive planned future land use map amendment from LDR, low density residential to calm, commercial and corresponding rezoning. From R one aa, single family dwelling to C two community commercial. We have two projects, CPA 20 24 0 0 5, and RZ 2, 4, 0, 3, 4. Development of service Director Mike, er. Thank you. This property is located north of Silver Star on Bluford Avenue on the west side of Bluford. Uh, before the railroad tracks, it's, it's, it's over, uh, 0.44 acres just under a half acre. It is vacant. Um, it's adjacent to the Ocos downtown in downtown Overlay District. Uh, we're under the, uh, land development code update right now, and we may look to, uh, pro adding properties north of Silver Star into our downtown, uh, area. Right now we have a downtown core, a downtown neighborhood, a McGuire district. Uh, but we may look at something north of that, but, uh, Blueford Avenue is an arterial, a collector road at an arterial with Silver Star Road. Uh, the property is wooded. There's no structures on the site, no use. And the applicants came to me and said, I've got this land that's, uh, presently, it's almost a half acre zoned residential. Uh, it'll be two parcels down from commercial. Uh, we just put a lift station to the west on Columbus Avenue, and do they have options for commercial in the future? And I said, yes, certainly any, everything along Blueford Avenue near Silver, silver Star is ideal, uh, commercial sector to start trending that way over time. So they said they would like to go ahead and start the process with the, and we're here with this rezoning and small scale land use amendment. As you can see, the land use is low density residential, which affords up to four single family homes an acre. And then the zoning is R one aa. And so the first item is a small scale. It's under 50 acres, amending the future land use designation from LDR, low density residential to commercial, and then a rezoning from R one AA to C two commercial. There is no intended use on the site. It would require site planning, and they're, they're not at that point yet. They are business people have owned the parcel for a while, and, and this is the first step to getting them going. Entertain. Any questions? Alright, anybody have any questions for staff? All right, we'll open it up. Uh, is the applicant here? No, they are not. Great. Open it up to the public. Anybody like to speak? You wanna say anything? Okay. We just want some More information about it. I, Well, you can come up and, and ask. You can talk to me. No problem. We're gonna close it. Uh, close the public hearing, bring it back up to the dice. Anybody have any other questions? Um, not Go ahead. I do. Um, my, can you please put the map back? The, the property that's on Silver Star and Blueford? What's the zoning on that one? Silver Star and Blueford here. Yes. That is zoned C two Commercial Commercial Co. We have a, yes, we have a small scale site plan for a 3,500 square foot office building. Okay. Uh, that is, uh, proposed on that. Okay. And of course, from that is a gas station Across from that is a gas station. Okay. Mm-Hmm. Rocket Jim. Anybody else? All right, then I will take, uh, a motion. So, Mr. Chair, I move that we recommend approval of CPA 2 0 2 4 dash 0 0 5. Thank you. I have a recommendation for approval. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Thank You very much. So, uh, we have a recommendation for approval by Member Williams and a second by Vice chair forges. There's no other questions. Let's vote. Somebody missed. Is it me? Couple people? Of course it's me. One more person. I saw you hit it. That passes. Uh, five to zero. I have, uh, the second motion, please. So, Mr. Chair, I move that we recommend approval of RZ 2 4 0 3 0 4. Thank you very much. I have a recommender, a recommendation for approval. Do I have a second? I'll second. We have a recommendation for approval by Member Williams and a second by Member Keller. There's no other questions. Let's vote There. That also passes. Five zero. Thank you very much. Alright, so, uh, new business item number two. Yeah. Was the fountains. West PUD, Mr. Chairman, the applicant and the city staff recommend continuance. We're looking at a June 11th date for this, uh, because it's being continued by law, we still have to re advertise again. So that's where the date we're shooting for. And we'll re advertise three, send out the 300 for notices and all that. Do we need a motion on that or? Yes. Someone gimme a motion please. For continuance. I'll make a motion that we continue, uh, the fountains West. PUD second substantial amendment. I second it. Alright, we have a, uh, a motion to table founds West PUD, second substantial amendment of lot eight founds West PUD, uh, and by member Keller. And a second by, uh, member Crocker. All those in favor? Good to go. Alright, last but not least, amendment. Uh, number three, amendment to the oco Land development code. LDC pertaining to part. Is that one A or I one a part? A one A article. Uh, seven. Flood Plain Management. Zoning Manage Zoning Manager. Whitfield. Uh, first, uh, chairman, I'd like to introduce staff and kind of what's going on with this process. The city, um, has floodplain properties that are in the floodplain, uh, the a hundred year, 500 year. And, uh, and as you know, if you're property owner and you are in the floodplain, you have to have floodplain insurance. And there's a program that municipalities and counties can enter in, and it's a laborious application and documentation, and you're able to get scored on this program and receive discounts for the residents that are in floodplain. And we've had, uh, attempts in the past that, uh, fell short, didn't even come close to submitting. And then, uh, we got some hired, some really talented staff, uh, which, uh, introduced you here that were able to get us not only all the documentation run through the hoops, have the interviews, but they were able to secure the city entering into the program, which is a big deal. And, uh, we entered in a score between one and nine, and we got a nine right away. Went to work to try to get it to a seven. We've submitted the documentation to get us a seven. Uh, anything above that, you really gotta be sophisticated and a big city and have a lot of resources. So we're, we're gunning for a seven and then we're gonna move to five and think we'll probably land there for a while. But really a lot of big effort to get to this point. What you're seeing is, now that we're in that program, some of this is updating our land development code, dealing with floodplain and regulations. We've, we took, made an attempt at this back in 2018. We updated some of our criteria for building codes dealing with floodplain. And so what you're, uh, be looking at tonight is in addition to the land development code, it's some minor edits, an addition of some floodplain management that will be, uh, citywide. And, uh, a notch has a great team working with her. Uh, Seth is an engineer with Public Works. Seth is the one that is our certified floodplain manager and took on the task of getting us into the CRS system. He'll describe that. And then we have Lewis and our GIS representative that can whip together any map you need. Um, I had him may make me some special ones that show me where you live and what you guys do on the weekends if you need it, if it's available data, he will track it down and put it together. So they're gonna present this information to you. I just wanna give you that introduction. Thank you. Thank you. So good evening. Good evening. I've misplaced my new glasses. So you're gonna see me doing this again tonight. I apologize. Okay. So the issue is whether or not the plan zoning, um, commission acting as the LPA will make a recommendation of approval for the proposed changes to our floodplain management. The goal of it all is to, um, update the entire part one A. Um, so in chapter seven, there are two parts. One part, um, part one is natural resource management. Part one A is floodplain management. Um, also we wanna try to improve the city's CRS, um, rating, class rating like Mike mentioned, and also to increase the city's overall flood resiliency as a whole, as much as we can. Um, in this proposal, we are, um, so this ordinance just has a little bit of background. It's a compilation of work that's done with collaboration between development services, um, support services, GIS and Public Works, and the department, department of Environmental Protections, office of Floodplain Management. So their staff has been working with us and reading our draft ordinances with us over the past year. So this is, um, they're still reviewing this final draft. Um, we look to get comments back from them in about a week or so. But this is what we have ready to present to the commission today. Um, the ordinance will specifically focus on manufactured homes as well as critical facilities. The map that you have, uh, in the flood hazard areas, as well as some definition changes that'll get us the points that we need. And, um, other activities and of developments that's in the special flood hazard area. So, with that, just a little bit of background, um, I'm going to do most of the talking Seth here, he's the technical expert. I'm just setting a stage. Um, the National Flood Insurance Program, NFIP, you hear that terminology a lot. It's a program that provides flood insurance to properties like Mike mentioned, that are in flood zones. The community rating system is a FE program that's strictly voluntary that local governments can participate in in order to get discounts towards those insurance premiums. Right now, um, we are at a class nine, as Mike mentioned, but you see in this table it's class 10, which is zero class 9, 8, 7 6. Um, and so there are point systems assigned to each of those classes as well as the associated, um, discounts. There's discounts for properties that are inside of the flood hazard area, as well as discounts for properties outside of the flood area hazard area, which isn't as much as those properties inside. Um, you'll see that class nine is only 500 points. Um, we currently have 1,341 points. Um, that gets us the 5%, but you'll see in the next slide the reason why I'll explain in the next slide, the reason why we don't have the Class eight. Um, with class five, five, uh, class nine, we get a 5% discount. Even though we've been awarded it December 7th, 2023, it doesn't go into effect until October 1st. So, um, towards the end of seventh, and I will explain how the re verification process, the timelines for those, and it sort of works a year ahead of time. So it'll go in effect October 1st. So going into, um, why we are not at eight, even though we have over a thousand points, it is because to get to Class eight, there is a prerequisite that, um, the city code does not make any distinction between manufactured homes and other buildings, um, in those special flood hazard areas. So to just make this one change in our current code, to remove that differentiation in both the definitions and anywhere in Article seven that speaks to manufactured homes versus other buildings, we meet that, um, we would meet that prerequisite and our existing points would get us to the Class eight, which will be the 10% discount. So that's right off the bat, if we do nothing else, it'll be that. And then the class of eight and then, um, going from 5% to 10%. Okay, now the details, um, to go higher in our CRS classification via additional points. Um, the first thing is, and, and, and we sort of, Seth and I worked together to pull out the key things. Um, it's not showing up necessarily in the order of the ordinance, it's just the key things that we thought would make the most sense in terms of how we're presenting it to you and how the point systems are added together. Um, the first topic is relative to cumulative, substantial improvements. So in the ordinance you'll see that there is a definition now for what cumulative substantial improvements is. Um, it adds a timeframe to it. So basically in the current code, there's no accumulation. It just has that definition. What we are proposing is that, um, reconstruction repairs over a 10 year period is counted as cumulative. Same thing for modifications and improvements is a five year period for cumulative. So each of those will get us, and I put in the parentheses there, the number of points that we will get for making those changes in our code. Um, and number three, in terms of, um, the ICC, and this is where I get a little, um, loss. So I'm gonna defer to this part to Seth, but it's, it deals with the cost of compliance for insurance coverage. And I'll hand this over to Seth, Of course. Thank you. Na. So we have added some regulatory, regulatory language with the help of the office of Floodplain Management to define, um, increased cost of compliance and also add a technical amendment to the floodplain management ordinance. Now, increased cost of compliance. If a resident or property owner of, uh, hits a threshold of substantial improvement or substantial damages of their house, then, uh, reach a certain threshold. They have to upgrade their house so it meets current, um, codes, current building codes, rather than when they might have been built like 10 years ago. So really we're just trying to protect them in the future. So if they're gonna rebuild, they're gonna protect. And if they hit that threshold and now they have to improve their house or fix it up to meet our current codes, then they're eligible for up to $30,000 towards those reconstruction costs and improvement costs, where previously that is not available to them because we don't have it in our code. Thank you. Um, also too, when we started this PR process a year ago, we were working a, um, amendment to chapter 51 in the code of ordinances, which deals with the building code, um, and Chapter 180, which is the LDC dealing with Article seven. With the help of the Office of Flood Plan Management, we extracted from the building code ordinance, those, the references to technical amendments per the Florida Building code so that we can essentially just move one ordinance forward. So that's where you'll see in the ordinance references to the technical amendments of the Florida Building Code. Um, the next change is the lower substantial improvements threshold. Um, basically what we have in the code now is a threshold of 50% damage. Um, we are proposing that we keep essentially the language, um, marry in or merge in that timeframe of 10 years or five years, but also drop that threshold from 50% to 49%. So that 1% change in our threshold would yield us 20 points. So we thought that that would just be for a one point different 1% difference, it would be worth it to do it to get those 20 points. Um, the next one is with respect to protecting our critical facilities, that is worth 80 points. Um, so basically right now the code doesn't make any distinction between critical facilities and the floodplain flood zones. So for example, you may have a critical facility like a nursing home or a hospital where the building itself is flood resilient, but the access way to it is not. So we're gonna have a situation where the folks in the building are safe, but our EMS can't get to them. And if the EMS is there and the flood gets worse, they can't get out. So what we're, um, some of the code changes that we're doing is putting more protections on the facilities themselves as well as the ingress egress during times of emergency. Um, and by, in order to do that, we are, um, suggesting that we don't allow any critical facilities in the 500 year flood plain, which is a, um, a narrower, right? It's a slightly, so overall the 500 year would include the 100 year floodplain. Yeah. But within the, the city of Ocoee, we have very few areas where the 500 year would increase. Like the 500 year is area, surface area is not substantially larger than the 100 year floodplain. So it would not significantly affect our critical facilities. And if you look at the map that we, uh, provided all of you, you can see where our critical facilities are in comparison to the 100 year and 500 year floodplain, which is the blue. And you can see that we don't have any currently in the 500 year floodplain. And we hope to codify that we will not allow any in the future in order to protect these, uh, operations and facilities that need to be 100% functional during a disaster. So, as I mentioned, hospitals, police, fire schools where we might have shelters and nursing homes. Mm-Hmm. And that would get us 80 points. Um, local drainage protection. So currently the code doesn't really speak to, um, how we protect our natural resources, drainage, waste and, and things like that. But the city is doing it, I believe, in the engineering standards manual. Yeah. So these local drainage protections are in our engineering standards manual and already currently being implemented. But by codifying them in such a way in the ordinance, we're able to, you know, accumulate an additional 120, how many Yep. 120 points towards our next CRS classification, which gets us closer to an additional 5% of any, uh, NFIP flood insurance. Yep. So essentially we're doing it now, we're just codifying it to get us the points that we need. So, um, low finish, lowest finished floor being 18 inches above the crown of the adjacent street. That's 60 points. Uh, lot drainage accounts for street flooding and local drainage, um, relative to buildings. Um, and then, uh, po positive drainage ways for buildings to an approved point of collection and not creating hazard areas, um, to neighboring properties. So those combined would be 120 points. And, and we are pretty confident that least set this on getting us those, that doing this will get us those points. Um, I do wanna mention that I put this blue line in here to remind me to say that at this juncture we would have, I put in my notes 1,661 points. If all of these things were done, that would put us in squarely in the class seven. And that would also only put us 339 points away from class six, which is even more discounts, uh, 20% discount to our, for our residents. Um, and I believe the class six is the one where, yeah, so the class six is the one where the properties in the special flood hazard area would get 20%, but that's also the critical point that which properties outside of the special flood area goes from 5% to 10%. So it'll be an overall boost for everybody in the city and not just those properties in the special flood hazard area. Lemme just Say one thing. Sure. Just so you understand, there's, you know, we have a bunch of neighborhoods that were built in floodplain before there was criteria. So we have like a hundred and something. The city has under 200 buildings that are technically in the floodplain as of September, 2021. However, due to letters of map revisions and letters of map amendments that have submitted to FEMA since then, we've about half that number. And we've been able to do that by bringing in, as it says, letter of map provision for Phil. So we've raised those properties, um, out of the elevation, the base flood elevation of the floodplain. So we we're still dealing with a good number of homes that are in floodplain. Right. And if, if they have damage you cumulative and that that's what those are kind of speaking to, then you have lots that were created a long time ago that weren't built, that are adjacent to floodplain. And they can build a building, they can build a single family home, they can do a, an accessory structure so that some of these we're talking about those properties that are in floodplain or right next to it if something should happen. But, and obviously in in our newer codes, we haven't allowed a development to be in floodplain or if they had some entitlements they brought in. Phil, if you look on your maps, some of the subdivisions along Clark Road mm-Hmm. Were in, but they brought fill in years ago, pulled themselves out. We've done the paperwork to show that they're not in the floodplain, but we still have a number of homes and buildings, accessory structures that are in the floodplain. And so we've adopted criteria in our building code that says, if you're gonna rebuild that shed, you've gotta put drainage passes ways through it so water can go through it. And so some of these are dealing with new construction, some of these are dealing with those homes that we've just had that are, we've annexed homes that were in the county that are in the floodplain. So I just want you to think about that. When you say about 50 per 49% damage, this is a house that's existing, been in the floodplain, it's had damage over the years, we're gonna start tracking that and they have to rebuild to today's codes. And that's what this does. By requiring that which is good for the homeowner and future homeowners, it gets us points. So I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you, Mike. Okay. Um, so a lot of the, what you don't see in the ordinance and in the PowerPoint is the significant amount of research and, and whatnot that Seth and Louis have been doing. They've mapped out everything. Louis is like a super Uber, like OCD attention to detail. He will get it corrected to the, to the 0.00 acreage. Like he can't sleep at night until he does that. It is, it's amazing. Um, so other changes that we are proposing, um, so the for, for these, they deal specifically with drainage waste, um, both inside and outside of the special flood hazard areas. However, the max is a hundred points. We're not a hundred percent sure at this point what we're gonna get. So the point system is to be determined. So we, I didn't include this number in the 1661 that I mentioned earlier. So we are proposing some code language that will protect those drainage ways that aren't designated drainage ways per fema. So they just happen to be drainage ways that exist in the city limits, but they're not designated in one way or another by either the city or fema. So we are proposing that we at least protect it by five feet. Did you anything? Yes. Yeah. So in, in addition to, so what Anat is saying for this one is drainage waves are anything where water can be flowing continuously or intermittently throughout the year during a storm or after storm before a storm. Uh, so, and as we all know, water flows and it's not always gonna be in a flood zone, but, uh, we don't want to build right next to it due to erosion or you don't want to pipe it and then provide too small of an area where it's throttled and you end up with upstream flooding and then, and the downstream is not flooding, but you're throttling that water. So in this section for, uh, higher standards, we've proposed that anytime you're gonna cross a drainage way, you need to make sure that you are providing enough conveyance volume to convey a 100 year storm. So you don't to minimize the risk of any upstream or downstream flooding. And also to provide a setback from the top of bank from any drainage way if you're not going to, uh, cross it. And that'll pro protect us from any erosion of the banks and cause problems. And there are two examples in the city that I referenced here that we are dealing with, um, in the West Orange industrial complex around roper and capital. We have two Culvers that are undersized and they cause upstream flooding. And you may know, uh, Manheim is one of them that suffers from flooding here and also across the 4 29 into Winter Garden and unincorporated Orange County. Now, they cannot do any improvements over there until we release this throttle. And so the city has submitted for grant assistance with the Hazard Mitigation Grant program to help us alleviate this problem and bring it up to better protection standards and, um, protect our citizens and the citizens of our neighbors. And then we have a project that came through commission just last week where we are doing a drainage improvement on Thorn brook, uh, Boulevard Thorn Brook. And we are putting a, um, a, uh, perforated pipe in that one to, and then covering it to convey water, but minimize any erosion that is happening on this south wall of the, uh, subdivision that is just north of the ditch because they put the wall too close to the bank and their erosion is happening and their wall is beginning to be undermined. So these are two costly projects that the city can avoid by implementing these protective measures around drainage waves along with any damages that would happen by, um, not doing these like Manheim mm-Hmm. Um, and then, Oh, go ahead. Lemme ask a question. Yes, of course. I'm understanding. Can you go back one more Uhhuh? So if the reason why you're saying that, you're saying that because even with what we have right now, we had to make these improvements, but by making the change to the code, that it, it provides even greater protection. Is that what you're saying? That is exactly correct. So okay. Just, just wanna make sure I was getting No, thank you for the question. Excuse me. We are trying to provide additional protections and increase the community's flood of resiliency. So say we get another storm like Ian or Orma or when we had three in a row back to back, we are protecting our citizens and improved properties from flooding that follows these storms. And so when you're only, when you're only building to a 10, 25, 50 year conveyance capacity, you end up with flooding because, you know, Ian was a 250 year, 500 year storm event here in Florida, and these storms are happening more frequently and with greater ferocity. And we wanna protect our community now and into the future. Yeah. So what you'll see in the code is that we provided language for, um, existing conditions where they could do, um, retroactive improvements. Um, also basically in terms of what s was saying, if the, for example, if the pipe for a 24 hour storm event is 12 inches, the a hundred year may require larger so that if it's covered by a road or as concrete or whatnot, there, there's still space inside of that pipe for the water to flow at that higher storm event. Okay. Correct. Thank you. Mm-Hmm. Great question. Um, and then we have some general changes. Um, I don't know if you looked at part one A in article seven, it's quite confusing because it's part one A and then the next, the first, next subsection is A then B. So if you're trying, like, that's the confusing part. So we are saying, let's just call it part one, part two, and then part two can start with section seven 10. We'll place in reservation seven, eight, and nine, um, in part one. So that should, we need to make changes to part one for natural resource management, we still have three available sections to do that in. And then there's a straight renumbering and then, um, adjusting all of the cross-referencing, um, by moving the definition section to the front, right, right after the applicability, just like in part one, it just sort of worked nicely, worked out to where all the other section numbers just became like, if it's, um, two A, it just became 12 and we just dropped the A. So then when you're referencing seven dash two AA is now seven dash two a, or I'm sorry, seven dash 12 A, so you people will know exactly where to look and it's, it's still much easier. Um, let's see. We also added some additional provisions as far as the permit submittal documentation in order to assist our city reviewers and to improve our documentation for projects so that we have those, um, elevation certificates and um, maps and letters of amendments and all those things to keep us on track with getting and maintaining our classifications. Um, what we didn't present so far, and what's I, is that in addition to the code language that we are working on, Seth and others have, part of the CRS is doing the public outreach, preparing, um, informational flyers and attending like the, um, the farmer's market, the community market, um, passing out flyers, educating the public when they come to the city's booth on the flood insurance and the CRS flood resiliency, uh, and things like that. So all of that is part of that back background, two years of effort that staff, um, has been doing to get us to, to be able to be eligible to participate in the CRS. So we want to still continue to do those outreach things. Um, so in terms of the process, um, like I mentioned, our class nine goes into effect October one, we have to maintain that certification for one year. That means that the documentation we have to submit those certificates and those elevations and all that to fema. Um, the reverification process, like we can apply at any time, but the process starts in April. So for us, because our class nine starts October of this year, the reverification process won't start until April of 2025. So that's why we're bringing this amendment now because then we will have these code references in our books for when we do apply and start that reverification process in April of next year. We will already be implementing this, um, these changes. Um, so additionally, so essentially adopting the code changes, doing these other, um, steps that are necessary as part of the reverification process, providing them the documentation that'll get us geared for, uh, to be in a good standing for a reverification to class up in next year, which if we were to get, it won't go into effect until 26. So it just, it leaves a year. So it has to be in effect for a year. We work towards increasing it once we get that reclass, it doesn't go into effect. Let's say like this year we got in December, it doesn't go into effect until October of that following year. So with that, we can entertain other questions and of course we are asking for a recommendation of approval. Anybody have any questions for staff? Uh, I have, I did couple there. Alright. We're gonna start this way and work our way down. Alright. Thank you Mr. Chair. Um, I guess the, the biggest question I have is the Lake Bennett Center. Correct. It looks like you have a 500, um, year in front of it and a 100 year behind it. Is that going to affect dramatically what they're going to have to do in order to build there? So the map doesn't show the building footprint unfortunately, but it does show like the general location. Of course, uh, that building is not within the floodplain, but is very adjacent to. So it is a place that we would want to keep an eye on. And we have had, um, during Irma, their parking lot did have some flooding and the city did have to maintain some pumping. But that's one of the reasons why going forward into the future, we wouldn't want to allow critical facility facilities like that to be built near flood zones. Uh, Were you asking more about for city center than you were like, like Bennett, I I think it's more city center as well because Main Street now that's, now that's, yeah, That's so city center, well, a project called City center if there's a phase two on the north side of Main Street, right? Mm-Hmm. All of this comes into play when that goes through. We don't have a site plan, we don't have anything proposed for the north side of Main Street. Okay. So, yes. Yeah. So you, you're, you're seeing a lot of the land. So it's, it's all of that out of flood there. Yeah. Everything north of Main Street, there's a lot of a hundred year flood plain. There's a, there's a ditch that runs around, runs from, uh, over there by, uh, Cumberland, uh, in just east of McGuire down behind the cheerleading. And that's one of those ditches that's not, no, doesn't have a designation. And there's a couple little ditches over by that. So yes, so can, but it will come into play if whoever develops that north side. And then just again, lake Bennett center itself, that looks like the only one that's really a, an issue to us. The city also already has in our code, um, in our ordinance and uh, our engineering standards manual that we don't build in a floodway, which is what this, uh, flood area is north of Main Street. Well that's all wetlands back there anyway. That's all the Yeah, it is correct. Cell Tower. It's not really where city center is, but it's close or what's supposed to be safe. You got anything Luke? I do. Okay, come on. Um, let's go back to the first, the, the first proposal for cumulative substantial improvement, 80 points. Um, explain to me how this works again, and, and, and who keeps track of this? So when somebody would submit, starting from whenever this ordinance is approved, uh, for any substantial improvement project or substantial damage, uh, they would go on their application, they would have to provide their market value of the structure that they're working on, and then that the cost of their improvements or repairs would have to be compared to and provided a percentage of that market value. And so it's the market value at that time of the project or repair or improvement. And so that would say within the city's software system and kept track in that way? Good question. Okay. And after, after, after so many, after so many, I guess, um, major improvements up, up to 10 years and that person has to either demolish the property, They don't have to demolish it, they can continue to stay there. What'll happen is if they say they do five projects and they're each at like 10% of the market value at that time, by the time they get that fifth one, they'll hit that threshold of 49% and they'll have to bring the entire structure up to current code, whatever it may be. And uh, for most places it won't really do much to them because they're already outside the flood zone. But in flood, uh, buildings that are in the specific or special flood hazard area, they'll have to meet our freeboard, which is two feet above the base flood elevation. Okay. And the, the homeowner themselves provides you with a market evaluation report They would, sorry, ask that one more time. So basically the homeowner would have to provide you with their own evaluation of their home value at that time? We, um, the city can either, they'd have to hire somebody to provide that market value or provide it because it's just that structure, the city, the, the homeowner. The city could, It could be biased then, Huh? Then it could be biased. Uh, if it's by the homeowner. Yeah. Yeah. So we could, we could include that. It would be just the, the city or, or a third party. Yeah. So when we get a building permit, the contractor puts the value of construction. Correct. And there is an ICC table International Code Council that we verify. And so if they say the improvement is 15,000, but they're doing the patio and, and everything in the back, the back bedroom gonna redo and do whatever the, the roof, we can look at it and say, no, it, it's really $40,000 worth of improvements and, and we can apply your permit fee based off that. So that's what we would look at for the value of the reconstruction of the, okay. So you can't just put a number, say, you know, I have a guy, he is gonna do it for eight grand. Well, and when we can look and it's 35,000. I get that. But again, that construction cost has to be a certain percentage of the home value itself for you to consider it to be major. Yes. Who provides a home value? The, the, the, the homeowner or do you do it yourself to be, to be certain? No, they'd have to provide a third party like evaluation of their, of the structure. They have to do it. Mm-Hmm. And aren't there Certified Professionals? I hope they hired me Professionals. Alright, that's just, just for, for thoughts. That's all. Good question. Um, thank you. I don't know, I think, I think with this particular, if we were to do this, I would probably suggest that maybe in our language, if, if the valuation report that is provided to the city doesn't seem fair market value, then two reports, one by your own third party and one by theirs. And pick the best, pick the best out two because there, there's room for bias here. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. I believe in the CRS and, uh, they already require, not they would require a third party, but we can make sure that we enter into this codification as well. I understand. Third party could be a cousin. Oh. Like have a third party be their cousin. That's what that is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. We can certainly 'cause you are going to effect because eventually you're going to take these values and effect, make a decisions you need to reconstruct or de demolish and sell, sell a vacant lot. Mm-Hmm. We can certainly look at how other jurisdictions do it if they use like a third party property app appraiser service. Um, and bring something as part of your recommendation to the commission if this passes. Okay. Yeah, That's all. Thank you. No, that was good. Member Williams. Oh it okay. You sure? Yeah. I, it, I it's your last, it's your last time. I know, but I cleared it up for my, just make something up. No, I won't waste the peoples member Crocker. Right? Nothing. No comment. Member Shaone. Yes. A couple questions. So when you, when you say the ICC assistance, where does that money come from? So, uh, increased cost compliance would be provided by, uh, the national flood insurance program. Fema? Fema. fema. fema. Okay. By fema. And, uh, so there's no real cost for the, uh, residents of Koi. There would be a cost, it'd be, it'd be whatever their dam, like whatever damages are improvements there are to bring it up to code and then they may be eligible through this new language to receive $30,000 towards those improvements or repairs. Okay. Um, now to go, I see that going one step is 5%. What does that represent value wise? It depends on the type of flood insurance that they have under NFIP roughly, I don't know. Flood insurance costs. I'm outta the flood zone. So Outta the flood zone, I don't know either. Yeah. Okay. Alright. So I was just wondering, uh, what does it cost benefit at the end if we're going 5%? 5% mm-Hmm. And is there any cost involved and what is the benefit of Yeah. Often residents would that benefit those discounts? And what is the Great question. Now keep in mind that these discounts don't just apply to residents in the flood zone. They apply citywide to all 50,000 or so residents that we have. Now, those outside of the flood zone don't have to pay the flood insurance premium, but they can choose to get it if they want to protect themselves. 'cause you never know when a flood might hit, whether you're, you have damage from a leaky roof or a pipe or you just happen to be kind of in a low depression zone that is not mapped by fema. Uh, so having flood insurance is a benefit. So anyone who would have flood insurance would benefit, but those who are most at risk get a larger discount. Good question. Those are my questions. Mm-Hmm. Thank you. Alright, we'll open up the public hearing. Anybody want to say anything? Nope. Alright. We'll close the public hearing. Bring up to the dice. Does anybody have any, uh, questions? I Have one more. Yes, please. Are you serious? Yes, I am. Okay, Please. Um, item number three, protection of critical facilities. I get the explanation that you guys gave. Obviously you have the building but you can't get to it because the roads are flooded. But what if it's within, I don't know, 50 yards from, from a dry area? So we like, so this would apply to critical facilities within the 500 year flood plain. Beyond that, it would be outside of the floodplain management. If there is flooding for other reasons, I wouldn't be able to provide protections throughout the entire city when they're not in the floodplain. It'd be up to them to build smartly and all of our other codes, both drainage and building codes. Correct. To protect them in that way. Great. Because I think there's another slide that says we are now, we're now going to look into, um, elevations being 18, 18 inches above water in certain areas. So why couldn't we, again, if we add parameters to those construction, would we still get the 80 points or is it No at all? Is it no cu at all to get that, to get those 80 points? So it's from the point of adoption, it's, it's, we do it or we don't do it. Okay. We already apply the building where it's 18 inches above the crown of the road that's already applied to new construction throughout the city that we already provide protections where the drainage would flow away from the house or the structure. 'cause you don't want the the house to be the lowest point on the parcel. And we also provide and have requirements and implement where the water is flowing away. It flows to a designated place. That's why we have so many storm stormwater ponds around Florida. You know, we want to convey the stormwater runoff to a safe location that is gonna protect, um, our improved properties and our residents. So those are already done. And those would apply still to whether you're in the X zone, like a non flood zone or in a flood zone. But again, as Mike pointed out, the city already does great lengths to keep, um, to not allow and prohibit building within the flood zone. This is just taking it a little step farther to add a little additional protection to the 500 year flood zone for critical facilities that we would wanna keep available and access throughout the flood zone. So it would apply to that facility like that parcel in and its ends property within the 500 year flood zone. Okay. I just want confirmation as to whether it's, it's all or nothing. That's all. Because if it's, if it's not all or nothing, we could probably put some parameters as to how they should build in those areas. But if it's all or nothing, then Great question. Thought you said you had two more. That's it. Perfect. We Like him. I'll take a motion. So let's see, where are we? So Mr. Chair, I move that we recommend and support. Thank you. Staff's recommendation, uh, acting as the local planning agency, um, to recommend approval for the proposed ordinance to amend part one A of Article seven floodplain management in its entirety as stated by staff. Great. Do we have a second? I will second that We have a motion for recommendation for approval by Member Williams. And we have a second by member Keller. All those in favor vote please. That passes five to zero and Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank You. Thank you for your time. Very informative. Yeah. Miscellaneous, uh, project status report by director services, uh, rumor, Uh, nothing of significance to report, um, past projects. The pickleball facility was turned down from the city commission. A gardenia was turned down, but then they were offered a rehearing, which will be next week. And, um, that's really items of interest. Any, um, is the pickleball people coming back in six months? Don't know. Yeah, don't know. Um, if they're still gonna think about any outside aspect, if it's all indoors, it's not a special exception. It's just the normal large scale site plan. So, yeah. Uh, Mike had somebody ask me the other day with the, the way the, that property that's maybe gonna be called city centers taking its time is their way to reopen Main Street? Uh, Yes. We've, we've had this discussion recently. Uh, the, it would just require, there's a first lift of asphalt on it. It would require striping and signage, uh, physically to access it. Here's the problem part, many parts of the road is actually still under their ownership. It's, it wasn't all dedicated as right away. Mm-Hmm. So that would've come when it was turned over. So that's a limiting factor. That was the Answer I gave. Mm-Hmm. Is there, uh, there's no bond or anything like that, that gets us to take it or can't? No. Takings can't do anything like that. No. Uh, taking could be a possibility, but Who, who's who are you taking it from? Uh, it's, I don't know if I've heard it's in foreclosure or something, but I don't know. Well, that, that's the next question. What happens? Look, if it does go into foreclosure or it goes into bankruptcy, That's what we are gearing up. We're, we've made a list of all the outstanding punch list items. So for the infrastructure, they've, they've constructed right of ways storm water retention, they've put utilities in the ground, all of those have not been finalized. And so there's punch list items just to, if you were gonna finish it to, to, to close out. But you've also, now we've gotta go back and look as nothing's been done or maintained in several years. So even the infrastructure that punch listing may have to be just ripped out. And so we're putting all of that together. Alright. Thank you. Does anybody else have any other questions for Yeah, go. Got one other question, Mike. Um, first of all, I wanna say thank you for those planning classes. I really enjoyed them. I I We're good. Yeah. So That I missed it. Yeah. And my one question, and I, uh, sent you an email on it. Yeah. I gotta research it. A, a group membership in z Planning and zoning commission. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was just wondering if we could do that. 'cause Yes. 120 bucks for the, for the mm-Hmm. Six of us or seven of us to, to get that. I thought it would probably be a really good deal. Okay. It's, it's one of those, I've got a, the commission would also be eligible, so I gotta work it and see if, you know. No, it'd be great if we could. I, I'm so sad I missed that thing. I uh, had to go outta town that morning. So Anybody else have any other questions for Mike? I just have a comment. May I make a final comment? Yes. First. Oh, okay. Okay. I would like to, uh, thank Member Williams for her. Thank you. Long tenure right now I be well. But other than Joel, I mean Mm-Hmm. She is the one of the longest serving members of this board. We are extremely sad to hear her leave, but we're, we've been better off for her tenure here. So this is her last meeting. We've got some new members that are gonna be coming up also. Uh, I believe Member Crocker. This, this is your last meeting as well. Yes sir. We, we thank you for your service as well. So Member Williams, would you like to say something? Yes. I just wanna say what an incredible journey, what an incredible journey to be a part of the city's development making policy making process. I've been very excited to be about a Be Apart. It is an honor and I love seeing the great changes in our city. And I will continue to see those great changes as a member of one board or another. So, um, thank you for this experience. Thank you so much. We Appreciate it. Member Crocker, would you like to say anything? Is it on Mm-Hmm. Yep. Yes. I would also like to thank everybody for the opportunity to participate. Uh, it's been very, uh, enlightening and I, and every, every project so far has been well protected. Great. So I appreciate the opportunity and I thank everybody for it. Thank you. Yeah. We, we like to see more citizens be involved in our boards. We have plenty of boards in the city. This to me is one of the, uh, probably the, the, the cream of the top before the commission. So this is a great, uh, a great board. We have some new members coming on that'll be, uh, be here next, next month. So anybody else for the, you have something else? We'll just need to plan on a, a quick refresher training for everybody, jj. Um, and uh, then once everybody gets settled in, we'll do a shirt order. I know Lou needs some shirts. So Where do we return shirt? You return them to the front desk? We will take care of it does there, lemme see your shirt, Mr. Crocker. Oh, you have your name. Okay. Then all you need to do is just cut out the logo. Well, I'm Never gonna wear the, I wouldn't wear Yeah, you can just, you can just cut out the logo and mail it to us. Or you can return the shirt 'cause it's got your name on it. So I don't live that far away. But, uh, I've been, I've been in Georgia before and ran into somebody with a city of a Coie board shirt on. So we, we would like that. You don't wear those, that somebody would do that. Okay. Don't return it to Goodwill or anything. No, No. Well, jj, 'cause we've been paying you for two hours. You wanna say anything? Well, it is also a pleasure to be here, everybody. All right. On that note, we'll, uh, we'll adjourn. Thank you.