Heavenly Father, we thank you through your abundant grace and mercy. You've allowed us to come together to conduct the city's business. And Father, we pray that you help us to come in with a spirit of unity. Even though we may disagree, let us not disrespect or disengage from one another, but continue to work together as brothers and sisters. We say a special prayer of all the brothers, the sons and daughters of
Aoy who are serving in the armed forces overseas and at home. And once again, we pray for our first respondents. Be with them whenever we call. Watch over them as they watch over us. We're so careful to give you the praise, honor, and glory you do. In your son Jesus name, we pray. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Commissioner Kennedy >> here. >> Commissioner Wilson >> here. >> Mayor Johnson
>> here. >> Commissioner Fner >> here. >> Commissioner Oliver >> here. >> All right. We have um no presentation proclamation staff report. >> Um yes, mayor. Um I do have a couple
things. Um, I wanted to have Chief Auburn come up and give a brief presentation on our code of enforcement activities to date and also to give you a a very brief update on his
interactions with schoolboard personnel regarding the traffic situation at the middle and high school. >> Thank you. >> I get it to show up there. do that. All right. Good afternoon, mayor,
commissioners. Uh this is um a update on the code enforcement activity since we met over the summer. Uh I think it was in Mayor June and we did uh operation clean sweep is what we call on August the 27th in the downtown mixeduse area.
The departments that were involved with the operations were code enforcement, the police department, fire department, building department, and planning department. The objective of this operation was to identify and document violations of multi municipal codes and ordinances to ensure compliance with planning,
building, fire, and code enforcement to increase public safety by addressing hazardous condition. And to enhance interdep departmental coordination and communication. The key findings of this operation were accumulation of trash, overgrown ve vegetation, unpermitted
construction, fire code violations which were blocked exits, vehicles parked on grass and rightaways, inoperable vehicles and yards, appliances left in front of homes, deteriorating storage sheds, prohibited trailer parking, and improper signage. The summary of the
operation we cited 45 properties. Code violations issued were 33 properties were cited resulting in 46 violations. Parking citations issued were 12. Fire violations were three and stop work
orders were three. Of the 33 properties cited by code enforcement, 20 properties have come into compliance and three cases went before the code board on Thursday, uh, November the 20th. The recommendations moving forward is to develop a community engagement plan to
inform and educate residents to continue interdep departmental partnerships for future sweeps and consider scheduling them quarterly. Identify standardized fine structure for code violations. Currently per statute the maximum fines for a first offense are up to $250.
The second offense is up to 500 and if the property is irreparable up to 5,000. And lastly, have the commission recommend a foreclosure process and uh an update on our parking software. Um and I and our meeting over the summer
was trying to locate a a software that we could use to tell how many violations a vehicle had had. Well, to date, we have not been able to find a software that would give us that or a software that would uh integrate with our current
software. we'd have to get a standalone uh software platform where officers would have to log in and look research it on their own. So currently uh we don't have anything that I can present to you today that we would like to go to. >> Um I just wanted to interject on the the
software angle. Um that's by no means a surrender to that. Um we actually have a programmer coming in to talk about developing some customized reporting for some of our other software needs. We're going to have him look at the uh smart
cop software, which all officers are currently using to determine if he can build something relatively inexpensive that can work with it to accomplish this. Um, and we anticipate, you know, having that meeting in the next couple weeks.
>> Okay. And an update on the schools. Uh, I met with Orange County Public Schools twice. one in September to to discuss the problems and in October to see what their findings were. Um the tra for Koi High School, they said their traffic flows well on campus. The issues are
one, the pedestrian crosswalk box does not work and that's due to damage. Someone went and just took a crowbar or something and opened the box, took the battery out and gutted the wires. I've gotten with uh public works to see when that was going to be replaced. Uh it if
it hasn't been, it should be shortly because I talked to Steve right before the holidays and he said that that should have been coming. Um the better and uh we found out about that shortly after school started this year's this year. And the other issue is that the road design on Crown Point Parkway right
near the roundabout was changed requiring two lanes to go down into one and then they have to go back into one again because they with the construction with their apartments, they took one of those lanes and uh directed it to go in the apartment. So you got people that are cutting in creating a delay. But
Cory Middle School, they didn't notice any concerns because we have a CSA during the ingress and egress hours. They noticed that the parents do get there before the school bell uh rings to drop off and pick up their child, but once the flow begins, the traffic clears quickly. Uh they mentioned that during
the summer, the car loop where the kids are dropped off will be redesigned allowing two lanes inside the bus well where not the bus loop, but where they drop the kids off so they can stack two cars rather than having a single lane. >> Can I ask you a question?
>> Yes, sir. Who's the one telling you there's no traffic jam? >> Well, there was Orange County Public School that actually came out there and I've been out there personally and um I know at 9 before 910 there are people backed up. >> Here's another one of the problems I
brought up at the last meeting. there five five three 400 kids on the corner of Lafayette and Blford all over the place standing up there because they don't open the gates and let them come in on the school property and then you never know when they're going to walk out and I we have a police officer there
sometimes but sometimes there's not and then they got a big jam up trying to cut off Blofford into Lafayette or when they're coming down the road and you're trying to get in you can't get in because they got the traffic stopped because those kids go across the street
and go back down to the doughnut shop. So, if they would walk down the side they're on to start with and go to the red light and come across, it would be a lot simpler and a lot safer. But the other thing is there's plenty of room in the school on end of Lafayette where
Lakewood Lakewood comes in. There's no reason why they cannot let those kids congregate there and then when the school opens up, they go in. But instead, they all go there. Now the bus stop is completely different issue than that. The major problem is there on that
corner besides all the cars trying to get in and out of there. You got three or 4 hundred kids standing out there. >> So >> So somehow another they need to move the kids down the let them go down to Lafayette on the corner there and go up there. There's plenty of room there for the kids to go there and wait.
>> So I just want to make sure I'm clear. Your your concern is the kids being let on the property. They're they sit on the corner of Lafayette and on the other corner and that's where they stay till they open that school up. Some of them get there at 8 o'clock in
the morning, you know, and it's it's a mad house there. Then you got try they keep coming back and forth across the street and the traffic backs up all the way down. I I know because I live on Delaware Street and I try not to go that way when I can go the other way, but they they
and then on the afternoon it's the same thing. They all out there running around them street doing the same thing in the afternoons. But they walk back and forth across that street to go down to the like I said if you walk down blue to the red light and go across the
walkway but instead they have that lady stop the traffic and there they go. They're back and forth going down. Then they're coming back from the doughut shop. But the whole thing is you go down and look at the end of which they used to do that at the end of Lafayette there's a police car is parked there and
where they go into they could put all the kids there. >> Yeah. Cuz we I have >> they used to lock the gates. Now they lock the gates. You don't open them till 9:00 >> cuz I have an officer at Lafayette and Lakewood. So when school starts to keep traffic to go down Lakewood supposed to be every morning and every afternoon.
>> Sometimes when I go there he's not there. He's the guy on the motorcycle. >> No sir. It's a CSA. Well, I I don't see them there all the time. >> I I I live there. I go by it all the time. I'm not trying to argue with you, Chief. I know it's not your problem what they're doing out there, but >> why why would the county I don't want to
keep beating on this, but they supposed to have their own police officers or own security people now? Why can't they not have one on the on the school zone? >> Why can't they not have one at the school? >> Okay. So, >> they depend on >> We have another They charge us. >> Yeah, but they depend on us.
>> I know. I've never seen a police officer from Orange OCPS. >> No, >> you don't ever see that car. It's It's always our folks who are out there. But what Yeah. I've always wondered what OCPS what their police off their police department does to benefit us
>> guarding them at the big house >> in in our in our community with the schools that we have that where are they? But you you understand they have them, but where are they? It's it's an interesting question because I've never seen a car that says OCPS
police department. >> Have you ever seen one? >> No, never. And I'm not disputing. I'm just telling you I know I go every day back and forth on that road. Every day. >> Can I ask always the police officer there? Uh rather than us question you
and you question them, >> is it within our purview to have them come talk to us? >> I can arrange that. I can I can reach out. We have an upcoming meeting. Another one. >> Somebody should have to answer these questions
and they're not. I didn't I with respect I I didn't like the answer either. You ask who told you this? I mean, we can see the kids with our own eyes. And as I said at the last meeting, I almost hit one on a golf cart up at the north side.
It's ridiculous. And they need to be held accountable for the safety of the children. I don't think we mind asking those questions directly. >> No, I have no problem doing that. >> Okay. Maybe we could invite I'm not trying to get on YouTube, Chief. I know.
I'm just saying it it's a quagmire on and right there especially because I mean it's like a mad house. Go down there one morning stand down there about 8:30 and you'll see >> I I I did >> and that besides that that lady does
some cross back and forth across Lafayette and across the other side go to there's another one 20 feet up the street that stops them also. >> Mhm. Instead of letting them walk down to where that lady's at, they got another crossing guard right there 20 ft up the road,
>> which double stops the traffic. I mean, that's just my thought process. So, I mean, it's just And now they're fixing to add more students to us. I read I read the paper this week. They're fixing to add more students. They transform transferred more students into our school.
>> But we need we need to sit down with them. Maybe they'll send a representative out with you next time. haven't come up and we'll like the commissioner said maybe we can have our discussions with them. I don't think it'll do us any good but we can do it. >> Okay. >> So, all right. I'm sorry, Chief.
>> Not a problem. That's that concludes my uh >> Oh, I'm going back. >> Yeah. >> While we're talking about code for I've been waiting a long time. >> This just this uh the fine. We're putting the fines back up there. Oh,
>> we go. >> On the code enforcement that fines for a first offense for $250. Is that every month >> or is that one time only? >> Well, usually it's $25 a day. >> Yeah. >> Uh if you want to do >> $250 a day. That's we know normally go
by days. >> So So here's the problem. And I know on commercial what we can do, but here's the problem. And citizens, a lot of citizens complain to me about code violations around their neighborhoods. We enforce certain things like parking. Somebody got a ticket the other day for
parking there. They had a rental truck. They had to put it across their sidewalk for a little bit of it. She got a $40 ticket. We got people parking a motor home right up here, 40 something foot motor home, and they never move it. Never. So, how do you address that on the house that they can just sit there
and never have to move it? Because I know back in the old days, you had two days and then they moved it to three days to move a motor home. Now, the other motor home is still sitting there a month later up here at this place. It's about I think it's a 44T or 45 foot
motor home sitting in the neighborhood. So, why does that how does that work? >> I don't know, mayor, but I'll get back with you on that. >> You can go by and tell they said, "Oh, we've been by them." Well, that's not doing any good. So, the the fines are going to have to mount up. But the problem is
they don't care because they we can't do anything to them. >> Is it because the legislature put in that caveat that now a person has to report and give their name and address in order to report? >> No, no, that's that's a separate thing altogether. I mean
>> park I'm talking about they don't do it because they know they don't have to pay the fine. >> Oh >> Greg, you got something? >> Yes, sir. Um we we are very cognizant of of that and we are making an effort to try to push that that particular
property. Um Chief feel free to correct me. Um they were issued a notice of violation with a date to come into compliance that is this coming Friday and after that the process is they have to go before the code board I believe on the 18th
>> pardon of December. So, and and then the code board can decide to start finding them a day. And and I agree with you. It would be great um if we could, you know, basically give them three days. You got to move it, but then we don't have the
teeth in our code to tow it or or anything like that. >> You all can direct us to bring back a code change that would implement that subject to statutory review. We we worked on the semirs and stuff
like that in in the town area. I know. I noticed one of those are now parking up front of the new apartments up there off West Road. They park out there in front. Got a car hauler they put out there and they also put a semi. So I I I know it's aggravating because I'll tell you I I know we got to get one to meet and I'll
tell you a real quick story. I don't know 20 years ago somebody give me a motor home 24 foot motor home. I thought they probably thought I had five kids and needed a motor home around him. I parked it out in front of my house over here for one night and I had a ticket one night. They had to move it by
the next day. Now the the law back then said two days. I said I'm not planning on having movement tomorrow morning. But that I had to move it the next day by order of the police. So I I I think we need to we need to up the fines on
all these things like this commercial stuff and the other ones. The businesses are one of the ones also we got problems. I know three of them downtown that told everybody that we could go to you know where they wasn't moving nothing and they haven't moved
anything. Now they're commercial so we do have the way to do that. So I think we need to set a timeline after 3 months then we go to processing like we did before on the corner down there with the other. But these people have told
everybody that they we could go to you know where they ain't moving nothing. So we've got to take a little more strength at doing especially the commercial because we can. I don't know what y'all think about it commissioners but >> I agree.
>> I I it won't stop. >> Sorry about that. >> Not a problem. No, we we can be prepared to bring back an item on the next commission meeting agenda, regular agenda, uh >> to um allow the commission to enact some
of these um policies. >> Well, it it I I hate to reference other towns, but you go to Wintergard, you don't see that. You go to some window, you won't see them. You don't see trucks parked, semi-truckss parked in town. You don't see >> this stuff happening like they do in
here. So, we we've got to we got to figure out a way to stop it. All right. Where we at? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Got that. >> Uh I'm going to do a little You You still going? >> No, I'm good, man. Thanks. >> Yeah. I thought y'all had more questions. >> I'm not trying to get on to you. I know you
>> Not a problem. I got to know, right? Got to know. >> Uh I'm going to take just one minute. You want to introduce yourself? >> You're running for >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is that we covered it? Are your the district you're running for? Yes. >> Okay. Come up. Introduce. I'll give you
three minutes. >> Thank you very much. I'm gonna see my stand of the public one. >> Well, thank you very much. I just wanted to announce my name is Marcia Somersil and I am running for Orange County Commission District 2. I am a native
Floridaian, generational Floridaian, a graduate of Apakka High School. I'm a practicing attorney. I have a practice here in Orlando. We actually actually I cover the entire state and I am excited to step into this role hopefully to really address the issues that is
obviously encountering our areas. One of the things that I'm very passionate about as a native Floridaidian, I enjoy our sports. I enjoy our activities and our environment and I really want to protect the integrity of our state and our county and I want to ensure that we
have growth that is sustainable. I think that's a very vital thing and I'm also someone who is a huge advocate to protecting our resources. So my hope is to get into a position so I can draft things and enforce things that are going
to ensure that those of us who are active citizens who reside in Orange County can enjoy our lives here, not suffer as a result and to avoid depleting our resources and contaminating our resources. I do feel
that growth is a positive thing as long as it's sustainable and we can maintain that growth. I also feel that it's very important that we sustain the integrity of our state of our county and I'm very excited to step into the role as we can
move forward. My background as an attorney does provide me a little bit of information to provide me the ability to draft some things and also to avoid some issues and barriers that I have been identifying as I've been stepping into this role. So, I'm excited. Thank you
very much for allowing me to introduce myself and if anyone has any questions, feel free to, you know, approach me and I do have a website, but I am adding information on that. So, I'm excited to get into this process and to really move forward. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. You have anything else, Craig? >> No, sir. >> All right. Public comments. I have one and I'll give you one guess who it is. Mr. Moyer, come on down. >> Good evening. My name's Dr. Jim Moyer.
from the elected orange soil and water conservation district 2 supervisor. We had a fundraising event on November 7th at the Breakfast Club of Akoi. I want to thank the city for putting the
event on the website. I want to thank Commissioner Kenny for all his support. Pastor uh Hart for attending. Uh, I want to thank everyone here for
their support for this event. Chief Agburn was there with one of his corporals. I appreciate your support, Chief. Um, also I just want to since it came up, I just
want to suggest that you take a look at this morning's the last item in Orange County agenda because it may be relevant in to what you were talking about with the schools and what they're calling
micromobilization. They're starting the process what they anticipate to be a long process but of addressing and they they're talking about doing it countywide. Um but
I'm up here as always to mention about Stark Lake and Lake Prima Vista. As some of you may know, Stark Lake according to the county has uh D is given a medium priority as far
as a TMDL um evaluation uh to me with it being the center of the center of good living here in AOE that's just inadequate. So, I'm try I've got a
list of the approximately 550 residents that are surround uh Stark Lake and Lake Prima Vista. I'd like to meet with the city possibly uh to send out some sort of a flyer. I
set up a website just uh a coe lake uh lake prima Vista. So, I'd like to get started and hopefully in next session they could direct the EP to give Stark
Lake the priority I believe it deserves. Thank you all for your time and God bless you. >> Thanks, sir. All right, no more public comments here. I will go to the consent agenda. >> Motion.
>> I'll make a motion to approve. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson to approve item 1 through eight on the consent agenda. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. >> Motion seconded by Commissioner Kenny. Any more comments? Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously.
All right, let's move. No public hearing. Regular agenda number nine, unsolicited letter of intent, LOI, between TNXL Academy Ducks LLC and City of Ocoy for 10.20
plus minus acres of land located at 1755 Aair Street and 1701 Aair Street, Senson Fields, and a portion of Eison Center property. Assistant City Manager Rub. >> Yes, thank you, Mayor. Um, you all are
pretty well aware of uh TNXL Academy. Um, they've come before this commission uh for items such as a lease, a lease extension, and they also introduced last year's uh championship baseball team. And um
so uh TNXL is Academy has been operating in AOE since at least July uh 2019 when we did our initial lease with them. Uh they leased two fields uh larger fields, junior and senior size level fields at
the Saenson Park uh which is behind the ice center. uh the in the as part of the lease they had constructed a a building and on property and have been paying uh lease payments
since that time. Uh last year we brought forward an amendment to the lease because they put in some significant capital improvements of artificial turfing the infields of both the fields. Uh amending the working on the fence as well
and in discussions with TNXL during that time and the success of their operation and they do they provide schooling uh as well for those students opportunities to do their schooling at the location. uh we've looked at uh some longer term
items with them. Uh previous this to this in two 2023 uh the city staff started looking at Vignetti Park. You know, presently we have a temporary fire station located there uh which should will be removed once the new fire station on North
Lakewood gets completed. And so we we've begun a process of looking at Vignetti Park uh in in concert with a parks and recreational survey that was sent out to residents. Also since that time uh this
year the city of Ako took over the uh little league operations as well. So, uh, the area of the lease and so the the partial,
there's two parcels that are in part of this letter of intent to purchase the property from the city. Yeah, got it. Okay, >> there you go. >> There we go. Oops. The Sorenson Fields property includes
the two fields uh and then the lane, the Sorenson lane uh as part of its overall tax ID number and then we have the center with the associated parking lot and then the the parcel of land next to
it with the building that TNX built. Those are the two parcels. Um, currently TNXL is looking at uh they provided a letter of intent to the city to purchase a portion of both of those uh which
would include obviously the fields the uh the TNX existing building and some land to the left. I'll kind of show you little what would be remaining of the ice center. That line is just kind of
drawn 10 foot from the east side of the parking lot for ice. So that that would create the 10- foot buffer that the code requires. Obviously the next step would be further survey work to come to identify the
exact this was just done with aerial. So the TNXL is proposing to in this LOI uh to purchase the property from the city. They uh last year in November had both
parcels appraised and again so that that included both parcels, the existing ice and center building, the existing TNXL building and uh the results of that appraisal in your packet and it it said
the TNXL fields or the the the Sorenson fields with the Sorenson Lane was appraised at 675,000 and then the ice center property property including the two buildings and the improvement parking lot and storm water improvement was at uh the 2
uh 3 million. So to kind of show a little bit a graphic to kind of show what would be in what would be out is uh again highlighted here. Presently the city as part of the lease utilizes these fields.
We get the uh city gets the use of the fields from 5:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. And on weekends, they get with 48 hours notice, they can reserve field time as well. In the letter of intent, they
specifically stated that they would keep that arrangement going because as well as providing the 2.2 2 million uh offer price in the letter of intent. They will to replace the utilization of these
fields the size they would replace them in like at Vignetti Park across the road and to a tune of about 900,000 to turf the fields provide lighting uh and the
opportunity to keep those junior and senior level fields. Uh looking at this land which uh the existing Sorenson fields it it it does lack some uh sewer availability and
water you can see. Let me go back to the I'll keep it on this one. Uh these fields are not presently utilized by a COE little league. They don't field teams of this age level. and the shape of the fields where the
the the parking would be and the concession are not conducive to providing little league access here at Central Park and at Vignetti. If the city were to move forward with the purchase of this property for TNXL,
the acreage would not bring us below our level of service. we would still be uh fine in that aspect. But I want to show you this is just a preliminary. We stopped this in 2023 because we had we knew the the fire station at that time. We weren't sure
when it was going to be how long it would be in existence in that temporary location. And what what we're envisioning with the future of Vignetti Park is it provides the opportunity to have all of the little league fields in one property with one large concession
stand. And it provides the ability for all of these all the kids to start and te-ball, play the coach pitch and see and then build up to these older kids that would play on the junior and senior fields. So on the Vignetti, there's two
fields presently at Vignetti that are not a sufficient size for a junior and senior. We would work with parks and wreck and TNXL to provide those fields uh the size fields from Saen Lighted uh fields on Vignetti Park and then begin
to slowly start working on the master plan which we'd bring back to this commission for a future uh Vignetti um growth plan if if we were to move forward. staff's been in contact with TNXL. We've reviewed the letter of
intent and uh we are support of moving forward to having you guys let us begin negotiations on the aspects of moving forward to a land purchase contract to just discuss the things as use, price, ownership and all of that.
>> All right, entertain any questions? Commissioners, >> anybody got comments? I will say that that park's probably 65 years old up there in that area >> and we would retain the Sorenson name that would not that would not lose >> that one of the questions I was going to
ask. I know that concession stand was there 55 years ago. What's left in it? >> I have questions. >> Go ahead then. I'll talk to you. >> Um you mentioned the fire station. Do we know when the fire station is going to be operational? We hope to bring to you
fairly beginning of in January an update that they will be breaking ground in May >> on the fire station. It's a 7,000 square foot 7500t building. We'll not take the 18 months we see for the larger. So it'll >> it's struggling when we didn't go for through with this because we didn't know
when the fire station would be there. We still don't know. So I'm kind of >> well in 2023 on the staff level when we were looking at parks and wreck internally we said let's look to see what Vignetti could could hold. We don't know when the fire station is going to move. So we don't want to bring a lot of
anticipation and bring the project forward to the commission. We just want to look at at the staff level and say what can we hold. Let's kind of slow down until we get some assurityity on assurance on when the this temporary fire station because it's it's right in the middle
>> uh of the of the Big Netti Park >> and it's it's sort of kind of blocks traffic. So, we just on our end we just slowed down that process of visioning vision planning Vignetti Park to bring something to the commission for a future CIP or an update on that.
>> Okay, that's all. And secondly, you're clarify for me cuz it's not clear to me what you're asking us for permission to do. You said to begin a negotiation and I thought you said including price.
>> Well, these this price. >> Yeah. The elements of the LOI staff is um recommending. We're we're good with the provisions. That would be the sale price of 2.2 2 million, the update of the fields up to 900,000, and then the
continued use of the fields while the other fields are being constructed. >> And so that would be put into a purchase agreement, which would have other items that would come back to this commission. >> I'm not good with that. I may become good with that, but there isn't enough here to be good with that, especially
considering we just funded the $600,000 of improvements through reduced rent. You have an appraisal. I mean, how do you get to that price from your appraisal, the 600,000 and the 900,000? >> Okay. Yes.
>> And that appraisal is for the buyer's benefit. There's a disclaimer letter on the appraisal. So, I'd like to see I'm I'm willing to look at it. My my opinion, I'm willing to look at it, but I'm not willing at this moment. There's not enough beef there for me to agree to
that price. I might become convinced that that's a good price, but I'm not there. >> Well, you have the Sorenson Fields at 675,000. The per >> I read the packet. There's not enough there to justify that price. >> The the
>> that's a low price based on what we've been through with this. And it's a little bit of hide the ball. I mean, when we voted to amend the lease, to provide to reduce it, to provide them the $640,000 to do the
improvements, I didn't take that with, oh, and then we're going to turn around and sell it to them. I thought we were making an investment in our own property and our own kids and our own community. So, seeing this in the packet and reading the packet, there's just not enough
uh logic behind that price for me. So I'm fine if you want to entertain negotiations, but I'm not agreeing to that price as I see. Okay. >> Yeah, it's good. Get down to I don't think we get down to the price till we get see what everything's going to be. >> Yeah. >> I think what you need to do is have the
word to go ahead and process look at it. I will say that I know the two fields that are in that other park don't get used that much anymore because it was a lot of softball. that was a softball place and all that, but if we had two fields built more built on the north side of where that U trailer is, but I
think what we do is we get permission to go ahead and proceed to have it looked at and see what we come up with. >> Yes. >> Prices are something we get to later. >> Yes. >> If we we >> I'm fine with that. >> Yeah. Right. I >> I think it's a great thing really if we
can get that other setup up there where we we had years ago a motocross um thing up there on that where that empty lands at. But if we can move up there that that it' be an excellent place for our little league to move up and we've
expanded so much on that we need to move up and use those fields. We'd have four fields there and we can let down some of that up there in the neighborhood. But yeah, I don't I don't think we saved the price yet because we got to look at it. >> Yeah. And the future looks good. We, you know, as part of the the dynasty, they have a commitment to to construct two
fields somewhere in the city. Yeah. >> As well. What's going on with that? >> And then we're also looking at uh Central Park bringing it elements of those fields and the the concessions and the access need to be brought up to ADA standards. So, we've got a lot to look at. Yes. Um, now we kind of know when
the fire station will be moving, vacating that site, and we can begin that process. >> Yeah, I think the letter of intent and the the point of the intent is fine. >> Good. >> Um, but as far as accepting an offer, I
don't think we're there. >> Yes, sir. >> Have to do a little debate on the offers. >> I thought it was just an intent. I didn't think it was a letter. >> Yeah, >> it's got a price in it. Yeah, he has a price, but I think that was >> I just want to be fair to everybody that I where I'm at. Right.
>> So, all we're doing is just then go in the process look and see. >> We'll bring back a purchase land purchase sale agreement to the commission with Yes. >> Mayor permission speak. Um would you all as part of that evaluation
authorize us or recommend that we obtain our own appraisal as part of that? >> Yes, I would. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Is that all right with y'all? >> Yes. >> There's a lot of moving parts on this. >> So, do we need a motion or do we need
>> I I'm not done yet. >> No, I'm >> I'm asking him. >> Well, if we were going to agree to a letter of intent, definitely motion. But if you're just directing staff to >> to to look at this further, I think just by consensus, you could do that. All
right. But let it All right. Commissioner. Well, unfortunately, I have a different approach. I have a different thought process because I've been I've been thinking about this for a couple days. Um, we just went through what, six, eight months of this golf course thing.
And we finally come to a conclusion that we want to own operate our own golf course. We we own that land from the beginning all the way up until we start negotiating with uh a new operator to take over and then we finally came to a consensus to say, you know what, we want to own it all because we want to look at
the risk versus reward and we thought that the the the reward was greater than the risk that we're taking on the golf course. Now, we own that land. In this particular case, we also own this land and we want to sell this land for the
the the LOI price is at 2.2 2 million. The value uh the uh appraised value was 2.9, which is about $700,000 difference in the favor of obviously the the uh the sellers or the buyers, I'm sorry. Um the way I see it is this land is something
that you can't reproduce as far as you can't manufacture it, you can't create it. It's just there and it's something that we own. We own this land. And my idea, my thoughts is is once we sell
this land uh for 2.2 2.9 or whatever that case may be, it's gone. It's sold. That's it. We have to move on to something else there. The only benefit we have would be the tax revenue that we bring in. I don't know what's going to happen with the property taxes uh or how that's going to going to going to play
out, you know, through the state, but nonetheless, whether they're paying taxes or not, we're still only collecting taxes, which goes back to uh my other thought process is when we talk about the mall, we we draw what maybe $40,000 a month on the mall, which is
peanuts compared to what we really should be uh doing on the mall. And we sit there and we can't do anything about it because we don't own the land. We don't own anything. But in this particular case, we own the land. If we own the land, then I would like to see the city have more of a long-term stake in what we do when it comes to land that
we own. So, I would like to see some type of joint venture agreement. I I don't like this LOI for the fact that we're trying to sell. Um, my approach is I want to see the cit the city have more stake in what we already own as opposed
to selling it off cuz once it's sold, it's gone. It's never coming back and we're and that's what it is. So if they decide to do whatever they want to do, redevelop into something else, there's nothing we could do but say you own the land and you have the right to do what you need to do with it as long as you get approval. But nonetheless, we don't
own the land. So my whole point is um I don't like the idea of of this particular LOI with a sale. I would like to see something where where we have a long-term stake in it. >> All right. So I'm we don't we're not going to settle it. We're just going to
do the process of looking into it and checking it. But I will say something else. I don't think we get $40,000 a month, Commissioner. I think it's $40,000 a year off that >> a year. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think say we'll be if we get that much, but I don't think we do, >> you know. So, I think we get the consent
just to start the process looking. No prize matching and none of that stuff. We do the appraisals and do stuff. We're looking at, >> if I may, I >> I partially agree with Commissioner Oliver. Uh I certainly agree that we need to look at the business case and I
think we can do both of those things simultaneously. Staff can look at that. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Certainly mayor that was part of the uh the ownership would be that the as long as the ownership is an educational facility that provides the
the you know uh supports and all that that then if not then there would be that we would look at a provision. That was a question I had really when I read the packet and I got down to the summary and it said staff recommends acceptance of the LOI. In my mind I said why?
>> Yeah that allows us to go forward with the attorney with a pray do >> on on your behalf start working not you know not >> no I if you can do that and look at what commissioner Oliver and advise us on best use of the land I think that'd be
great. >> All right. Is that process understood? Then what we're going to do? >> So that means that we if we make a motion that motion would have to be um in favor of looking at both processes the >> money. We're not talking about money in that. >> Yes. You're just going forward. We're coming. We're going to bring back the
>> contract for purchase just like we did before. Yeah. We we don't have to approve. >> Do we need to vote if we're going to authorize them to spend money on an appraisal? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'll make that motion. >> All right. Motion made by Commissioner Kennedy. >> Yeah. Uh, second. >> I second it.
>> Seconded by Commissioner Oliver. All right. No more comments. Let's vote. >> So, we'll get started. >> All right. >> I'm just going to say something right now. I appreciate the um communication we have up here because we can't do this outside of here. >> No.
>> And it's nice again, you know, you don't think of these things such as you can't the land is there. It's ours. >> Yeah. >> What are we going to what's what's the benefit of us giving them or not selling the land versus us using it? And we're not going to have >> giving away. >> We're not giving away. I realize that
there's no giving, >> but it's just the aspect that the this is the time that we have the opportunity to talk. Yeah. >> That we >> normally would not be able to have. >> So, I appreciate that again. You brought up some good points. >> Okay. Good comments.
Turn that back over. All right. So, you would do that process, right? >> And get us keep us informed. >> Yes. >> All right. Comments from commissioners. your announcements, sir. >> Yeah, you right. I had I had brought that back.
I love doing this. December events. An evening with Santa will take place on Friday, December the 5th from 6:15 p.m. through 8:30 p.m. at the Oakway Lakes Shore Center. This event will feature photos with Santa, arts, and crafts and
more. The cost is $15 per person, and restoration is required. That is something. If you haven't done it and you're going to do it, you better call them because they run out of room. >> Jolly Jamboree and Holiday Dog Parade will take place Saturday, December the
13th from 100 p.m. through 700 p.m. in downtown Ocoy. The free event will feature Santa's Village, a kids zone, special guests, tree lighting, and much more. Holiday toys for kids in need. Restoration is now open through December
the 3rd for children 6 months to 13 years of age with the Oakcoy Police Department. Residents must provide a valid Florida driver's license or state ID, proof of residency, and birth certificates for each child. 25th annual
Operation Santa hosted by the Oakcoy Fire Department. Santa Claus and his helpers will visit 78 Oakcoy neighborhoods, tossing candy and spreading holiday cheer. When the holiday float arrives in neighborhoods, residents are encouraged to give Santa
new unwrapped toys. The toys will be donated to the Oakcoy Police Department holiday toys for kids and needs drive. All right. Okay, Commissioner Oliver. >> All right. Speaking of code enforcement, one of the issues that uh we've been
having on the north side of town, particularly McCormack Road, uh we tried to enter into a uh a joint venture agreement with Orange County to be able to enforce uh code enforcement along that road because we have a a lot of the um tractor trailers that are starting to
park there along the uh the near the sidewalk, which is causing a uh a safety issue. And uh if you have folks walking along the sidewalk, it creates a lot of blind spots. So that that therefore it does create a safety issue. So we have been able to uh uh reach out to Orange County and the sheriff's department and
come up with an idea where we have the actual number that we can uh reach out to uh the sheriff's department. I sent that information over to the chief and we can actually uh uh along with some residents. I reached out to some of the um HOA presidents, gave them the number and the contact information, and they
have been very responsive to those calls to uh start uh putting uh um uh uh fines uh on those vehicles parked along there. So, that's hopefully uh as we move into the holidays that that will start to uh that won't be a problem as we move
forward into the new year. Um also, it's holiday the holiday season. We're entering into the holiday season. So, uh holiday safety is uh is should be uh paramount for everyone and we should be uh looking at uh being vigilant and around us as we're out shopping and and
going about our our days during the holidays, making sure you you're vis of your surroundings and making sure that uh uh you you're you're being safe and also looking out for your neighbors as well. Not just yourself, but your neighbors as well. And um and my last
thing, finally, I have this for you. Success is going from fair to fair without a loss of enthusiasm. That's Winston Churchill. Thank you. I yield back to the to Dice >> Commissioner. >> No, I don't have any comments tonight.
>> Commissioner Wilson, >> I guess all the tractor trailers have moved from district two to District 4. Um, >> they're in a county. >> They own that rideway out there, aren't they? >> Yeah, they're >> Yes, they they are in district. >> Quite a bit of property. They live in that neighborhood too.
>> Yes, I live up there in that neighborhood as well. >> Yeah, that's it's an issue that and we go into parking lots and we see them in I'm seeing them down in Sam's parking lot a lot >> where >> the tractor trailers are moving into that parking lot parking in there. >> Yep. >> That's county but um they just move from
one place to the next. No. Um we will see you all on the 16th. Our last meeting for the the year and there's a lot going on in Koi right now for the activities and I want parks and leisure. They're very busy right now. So, >> Commissioner, you too.
>> Good. They're all done. >> Mr. Kennedy, >> no additional time. >> I will want to congratulate the recreation and the city staff for getting our Christmas lights working this year and more decorations out front and on our buildings, which took a long
time to happen, but it happened. So, I want to thank the city for that and appreciate it, and I hope the citizens appreciate it. We have a lot more the Christmas decorations up than we ever had. So, and it looks real good. So, don't forget December the 13th, if you have a golf cart, there's a golf cart
parade on the 13th, right, Chief? >> Chief, you you got that Chief knows he keeps control of everybody on that thing. >> He's a leader of the pack. >> Yes, Mayor. Uh, we will have a a golf cart parade leaving from Vignetti Park
going through the neighborhood. I think we'll be going down um worst road circling through the neighborhoods, but we'll end up downtown on McKe Street parking. I also want to make everyone aware that we have Operation Santa, which took started tonight. It will be every Tuesday and Thursday all up until
the week before Christmas and we have Shot with a Cop on Saturday morning at Walmart. >> I appreciate it. Thank you, Chief. He chief does a great job of leading the pack. Nobody's going to speed past him, I can tell you. All right, I my comments is
just wish everybody hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving and u want to thank everybody for all the coming to our veterans thing was great and I'm looking forward to the December the 5th and like I said I think we're everything looks good. The Christmas lights are all over.
Had some good comments from citizens about it which I appreciate. Once again have a great holiday. We'll see you back on the 16th.