there. It's all right. We're going to call to meet the uh the meeting of June 18th of the regular planning and zoning commission meeting. We'll uh stand for the invocation and the pledge. Dear Lord and heavenly father, thank you
for this day. Lord God, thank you for everything you do for us. Lord, we ask that you uh protect our citizens, our city staff, and our first responders. Lord, in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, roll call. Chair Lomneck here. Vice Chair Forges here. Member Keller here. Member Shakone here. Member Galvin [Music]
is absent. Uh member Butler here. You have a quorum. Thank you. Can I get a uh an approval for the minutes of the planning zoning meeting for May 13, 2025? I'll make that motion. Okay. All right. I'll make the motion to approve the minutes. I have a second.
I'll second that. Motion to approve the minutes by member Keller. Second by alternate member who's not on an alternate anymore tonight, Butler. Let's go ahead and vote. That carries. No old business. Uh new business is 703 Center Street. Uh, I'm
not going to say this correctly. Maz, no, the Mazaos. Thank you. Mazeros property annexation and reszoning. This is project AX052505 and RZ2505. Planer Bazar.
One second. Sorry. There you go. Okay. Good evening everyone. Tonight I'll be presenting on the Maseros property annexation and resoning for their property located at 703 Center Street. For issues, it is whether or not the planning and zoning commission should
make a recommendation of approval for the annexation from Orange County into the city of Pakoi as well as the reasonzoning of the property from Orange County R1 which is a single family residential district to city of Acoy R1A which is also a single family residential district.
Some background on the property is located south of Center Street in approximately 3 310 ft east of Orange Avenue. It is 67 acres. Um the property is eligible for annexation as it is adjacent to city properties currently
being serviced by city water. Um and it also reduces the amount of existing enclaves. The property is also consistent with the JPA future land use map which is low density residential. Here we have an aerial of the property with a zoomed in image on the bottom
right. This is the zoning map showing those adjacent city properties with their R1A designations. And this is the surrounding future land use map showing the lowdensity residential designation.
So the development review committee met on this item on June 3rd and are making a recommendation of approval for the annexation and resoning. And similarly, staff is making a recommendation to the planning and zoning commission to make an approval make a recommendation of
approval for the proposed annexation and resoning from Orange County and to the city from county R1 to city of AOE R1A. Great. Thank you. Are there any questions for staff? Is there a house on there now? Yes. Okay.
All right. We don't have the applicant here. We'll open it up to the public. Anybody? Okay. Close it back. Bring it up to the dis. There's no questions. I'll take a motion. I will make a motion uh for the recommendation of approval of
annexation AX-05-25-05. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. We have a uh recommendation for uh approval by member Keller and a second by member Shone. No questions. Let's go
ahead and vote. That passes and now I need one for the resoning. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion of recommendation of approval for the reasonzoning of project number AX05 RZ or I'm sorry, RZ2505.
Thank you very much. I have a first. Do I have a second? I'll second that. All right, we have a recommendation for approval by uh Member Butler and a second by Vice Chair Forges. No other questions. Let's vote. That passes. All right, that's all for
new business. Miscellaneous LDC workshop zoning manager Whitetfield. You have a 25minut timer back. Yeah. No pressure. Okay. Good evening, Mr. Chair, board members,
my colleagues in the audience. Um, so 25 minutes means no questions. Just kidding. Um so Tori Parish, our city urban um principal urban planner um architect and I will tag team. I'm going to do the
first series of slides and then she'll come up here to do the second part of the slides. So, um, just like with the comp plan update, um, there'll be like little breaks so we can ask questions or if you if there's like a burning question, please feel free to to interrupt because we we scheduled this
so that we can get your feedback on the direction that staff is going with the LDC update to try to accomplish the vision from the Envision 2045 comp plan. So this is so that we can get your input on the big ticket items before we actually start writing the code uh the
policies themselves. So um the LDC update we're looking at the definitions which as you know were from like the late 1990s. So some of them do need to be updated. So we're going through all of those. Um and in terms of the our current application
submitt requirements and review procedures, they're kind of um spread out a little bit in the code now. So, we're going to look to reorganize and consolidate them and update them as as needed. Um, it also includes some new applications and processes for things
that we do now that are kind of been happening by policy. Um, or it's always how things have been done in the past, but just formalizing those application processes. Um, in terms of the things that aren't being changed such as concurrency,
natural resource and flood plane protection, communication towers, food trucks, those things, uh, they're not being changed. They're just going to be reorganized under a different different articles. Um, one thing that's new, it's not going to be discussed in this presentation,
but it's here just uh as a a proposed concept is um you know, right right now we have the variance process for pretty much anything that goes uh that doesn't meet code. So what staff is proposing is to have an administrative waiver process that could be done without a public
hearing where the most that the applicant could get is up to 25% that number we can you know the discuss and take feedback um but it isn't a by right they would have to provide adequate justification and we'll list the justifications in the code itself and
also mitigation would be required for example if someone wanted to go 7 foot fence instead of sixt fence Okay, given the situation and and the scenario of your site, a 7 foot could be supported, but you have to mitigate by providing
landscaping or um some sort of other feature to still not have that solid harsh line for a fence. It could be softened by landscaping or something else. Just as a a really simple example, um what we will be discussing with you
tonight are all these items that are highlighted in yellow. So, first up is zoning classifications um and permissible uses. Um followed by um our our recommendations for simplifying the development standards for single family
and duplex dwellings. Um looking at updating the development standards to transition the city from suburban patterns to more urban patterns. Uh and this would be done in terms of the the urban which is another word for sort of site and then architectural
design. and then doing it by product type. And Tori is going to go into a lot of detail on that. For one product type, as an example, establishing um well, as part of the code update, we'll be establishing an enhanced urban and architectural design standards for properties and
developments within the downtown mixeduse district. And then overall, as part of the update, we'll be doing an administrative amendment to the official zoning map. So, first off, this is uh a very quick snapshot of the
all of the residential um zoning districts and the a zoning districts that allow residential as a p predominant use. So, if you look at the left side, these are all the uses I mean all the districts. There are 11. And
then we put all the permitted uses um together. They essentially allow all of these and we just sort of cross out the ones that didn't apply. And then when you look at it in totality like this, it clearly you can clearly see the pattern. Um we'll just skip the special
exceptions really quickly. And then looking at the standards for these um different residential districts, you can kind of see that the the it's morphing to like this cluster here are similar in size like they are the larger lots,
wider lots, wider setbacks or or deeper setbacks and things like that. And then as um you know as the the uh density the density ladder climbs you have the R1's R and R1A where the lot sizes start to
get a little bit smaller. But over here you see there's really no difference in the uh minimum lot widths and setbacks and building coverage and impervious I'm sorry max height. So the only difference really between R1 and R1A is that one's 7,000 one's 8,000. Everything else is
basically the same. Same thing for R2. We have R2 that allows one family um and R2 that allows two family, but the district allows both. And again, the only difference is essentially 500 square feet. Everything else essentially
is the same. 5T more of lot width for 500 more 500 square feet more of lot area. The setbacks are the same. And then interestingly in R3, R3 allows everything from single family detached,
whether it's a th00and square foot home or 4,000 foot home, it's still a single family detach. It also allows duplexes, triplexes, quadplexes, multif family for five or more, one to two stories, five or more for three or more stories. And
really, if you look at the standards, there really isn't a big difference um between the the standards here with when it when you go past four four units um per acre or four unit development. And then the last one is RT1, which has
always been synonymous with our mobile home subdivision. And if you look at the lot size and requirements, 7,000 square ft for a mobile home lot is pretty large if all you can put on there is a mobile home with some significant um setbacks.
So with all of that into consideration, um we are proposing to sort of cluster them together in different ways and remove the R1 A, R1 AAA, R1A and just say all these here, if you can see my mouse, I lost it here. All of the large
lot less dense um zoning districts, we're going to group them all together and say this is traditional neighborhood, traditional residential neighborhood. So the the primary uses will be still the single family residences. We're introducing urban
agriculture in two tiers. Tier one is um tier one is I think I have those numbers backwards. One tier is only plants, herbs, pollinator gardens, things like that. No animals uh and apiaries. The
the next tier will be ones that would allow for like um chickens or small farm animals and things like that. So those would be a different tier. So I'm sorry, tier two is the one that allows farm animals because it includes the A1, A2,
RCE one and two zoning districts because those are halfacre to 1acre lots. Um having a zoning district that allows animal on the property doesn't negate the the responsibility of the property owner from not meeting the nuisance
requirements in the other articles, other chapters of the code of ordinances. So the the list of uses um are pulled from the current list of uses in our current LDC, but we're also adding like public libraries. There's no harm in
having a public library, a small one in a residential setting or community gardens and public parks and things like that. Religious institutional uses are already allowed in A1 or A2. We didn't want to remove that use to create a um an illegal non-conformity or illegal
non-conformity, excuse me. So, the breakdown is here. Um then the climbing up the density ladder, we're going from traditional neighborhood to urban neighborhood. So, R1A, R1, and R2. And you'll see here that R2 is in two
places. And that's because R2 allows single family, detached, and duplex. Urban neighborhoods, you can have a single family and a duplex. But in urban village, you can also have a single family and duplex, but also multiplexes. So, as you climb up that density ladder,
you'll see it gets a little bit more dense and more active in an urban neighborhood situation. As you go up to urban village, it gets a little bit more active to include the town homes. But we do have we are proposing code language
in the LDC to limit town homes to um a certain number of units per building. So you won't have even though it's town homes you won't have like a 12 unit town home building like a series of 10 unit town home buildings so that the scale of each building while it's still town
homes is more manageable in size. um the urban village um because it includes R3 uh or formal R formally R3 we're introducing multiplexes um but up to four. So you can have
multiplex basically means a building or a property that has more than one um dwelling on it. You can have a multipplex development where it's one parcel, but you can have four individual detach
dwellings on it, but it's still a a multiplex or quadplex because it's still one lot with four dwellings on it. So, you can So, when you think of multif family, it's not always big apartments. It could be four little houses. That's
why we are um proposing to eliminate the minimum living area. So you can have four cute little 800, 900, 1100 square foot homes near each other, sharing a driveway, sharing the green space, sharing parking. It's still a
multifamily, but the individual structures themselves look like houses. So as someone's driving down the street, you can't really you won't know where the property lines are. It'll just look like a little cluster of homes, even though it's a multiplex development.
Um, in the urban village, we're also um suggesting live work units. So, you can have a building that looks like a nice house, but the office could be downstairs and the apartment is upstairs. Um, then continue with public parks and community gardens and things
like that. So, um, one transitional thing I want to point out that we're suggesting is that transition from just neighborhood to village, um, R2 R3 combination, the urban village in the special exception. Um there's an opportunity for up to 2500 square feet
of commercial, but it it's not just any commercial. We're specifically saying smallcale neighborhood enriching commercial. So, you know, if the use isn't that the city's u perspective is not enriching the the neighborhood that is
serving, then it really doesn't meet this criteria. So as part of the special exception um review process at a hearing that is uh this body and the city commission can make those determination. Is this use really enriching the neighborhood? Another example is if
there is already a use that's there. Let's say it's a a dry cleaner or a tattoo um establishment or a massage establishment or or you know u a coffee shop. we don't need multiple of the same one in the same plaza serving the same
neighborhood. So those are some of the things that we're toying with. Um and then again climbing up the next one is transitional districts. So right now RT is kind of generally perceived as um a stigma of negativity because it's mobile
homes. But we we want to move that away from that negative stigma and use RT for it really is it's a transitional district to include mobile homes. But it also includes tiny homes and cottage homes and um a large acreage but all the
homes are clustered near each other so that there's more room for shared common space or a community garden or something like that. Um, in the residential transition district, the 2500 square feet or up to is a by right type of use. Still has to
go through site plan review and all that stuff, but it's still the intent is neighborhood serving. So, it wouldn't be a use where um all their activity is online sales. Well, you're not really contributing to the neighborhood if most of your business is online sales. So,
um, if they if the person or the the developer wanted to go a little bit bigger, like up to 5,000 square feet, which is the max for residential transition, um, they would have to go through a hearing. Then the the last um category for for
residential is the mixed residential. That's R3. So you'll see R3 is scattered in three different um categories because as I mentioned it allows everything from single family detached to apartments. So in R3 you can have the multiplexes, the town homes, apartments, live work, all
those smaller mix of housing topologies, the commercial up to 5,000 is also allowed by right. Um in terms of standards for the new grouping uh of zoning categories,
the current requirements for um building setbacks, minimum lot widths, lot size, coverage, impervious heights, we're still going to keep that those categories of standards, but we're going to look at them as a whole to make sure
that we establish a standard that um essentially is like the most restrictive so that anything else that's less that's that's um let's say if we establish the standard for urban neighborhood for example that has R2 in it and we make
the if the requirement right now is 8,000 square feet and everything that's come in right now has to be 8,000 if we establish it at 7,000 then everything else is already meeting that because the minimum um is already met if the setback for example is 20 feet and we change it
to 15 feet because the house is already built at 20 feet having 15 ft isn't going to create a non-conforming situation. Um, so that's what we're looking at. So these typical lot minimums and maximums would only apply to the housing typologies of single
family detach structure and duplex structure. So as I mentioned a quadruplex um it's one lot. If the one lot has one building that has four units in it, then it has to meet the um product typology
like the nice architectural treatments, the nice um frontage activation, things like that. But if that same lot were to come in as four individual little cottages, then we're not going to really regulate every single little cottage. It can look like its own like someone's own little custom home.
Um, as I mentioned, we're eliminating the minimum living area to allow flexibility um for different housing designs and topologies. Uh we're also wanting to introduce uh a new standard which is to allow for greater flexibility and that
is a side street minimum setback of 15 ft like a corner lots um or 50% of the front setback uh whichever is leased as long as the site distance safety triangle requirements are still met. So this is
to cover um several of the lots that we have that we add next into the city from the county where like along Silverar and one of the local streets is 50 feet fronting Silverstar but now it's two rights two frontages. So if you have a
50 foot um width lot that's a front so that's 25 ft. This is also a front so that's 25 ft. The rear is now 25 feet. So there's really no room left to build a house. Um so this is an attempt to eliminate a lot of the variances to have
some like one or more of the side the setbacks to be reduced so they can have a size a house especially given in the current scenario we have minimum living sizes. So if the minimum living area is 1,800 square feet for that zoning district it makes it that much more challenging for someone to build a home
with those setback and size constraints. So, um, any questions on the residential before we move on to non-residential? Yeah, I'm I'm Yes. Yes, I do. I'm I'm I'm a little confused. Okay. With with no eliminating the minimum
living area requirement. Mhm. Um, maybe I missed that. Is this is this on all of the residential categories or just certain of them? Chris, it will be for all of the the the um this whole block right here. If you can see my mouse, the traditional,
urban, urban village, and transitional. Really? What is that? Good. So, the Florida building code, what's the purpose for what what's the purpose for not requiring a minimum home size?
Flexibility and diversity. Yeah. So right now there's a there's a minimum like I think the smallest size I want say is 1,100 square okay uh we didn't put it in here because we were planning on removing it I think the smallest size
is I want to say 1600 or 1500 um but sometimes you the person doesn't want that size house it maybe is their retirement home and they only want 950 square feet the reason why for staff it makes sense is that the Florida building
code recognized as tiny homes. A 380 foot tiny home is an average size. 850 foot tiny home is actually a tiny home mansion. So you if you can have two 800 foot uh two floors, you know, you're
still achieving the same thing. It's it's just to create more opportunities. Like for example, the the multiplex scenario where it's the one lot with the four individual houses. If the lot is only an acre um in order to create more common space, shared park and all that
stuff, the housing the house sizes could be a little bit smaller. Okay. So, in this so in this group in this category, this group of categories, you can actually put your tiny homes in any of those. The tiny homes are only allowed in the residential transition RT where
the RT like where like um Tiner I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. A tiny home type size. Yes, any of those. Yeah. Just we're just not going to call it tiny homes. Yeah. Well, tiny homes, cottage home, anything that's smaller than like 900 or 1,000 square feet.
The idea is to apply um this residential transition to like Pioneer Key, one and two, Mobile Lane, those areas. Those are all small lots. But because they're small lots intended for just mobile homes, no one like a developer can't
come in and remove all the time all the all the mobile homes and build houses because the lots aren't big enough to support a 1600 foot house. So this is to make an opportunity for the mobile homes if they wanted to transition out then
they could put a series of smaller houses stick built houses on there. Well, correct. But that applies perfectly for an existing, like you said, an existing mobile home scenario or someone have an existing 5,000 foot lot, that's perfect. But
okay. Um, well, yeah, I was going to say to follow up on on Lou's question, when you get to your traditional neighborhood, so if I take out my 2700 foot home or my 2500 foot home and
I want to put in a 900 square foot home in a traditional neighborhood, that's okay. Um, I guess in that scenario, I can see where you're where you're coming from, but um,
in that scenario, the tiny home isn't an allowed housing type, but you're you're removing minimum square foot requirement on those in this group of categories. So, that's true. If American comes in, blew his house away, he can put a 500 foot home in there if he wants to. I hate it when
I hate it when I have to agree with Lou. I'm not vice chair. You pick me. Yeah, economically, I don't see why someone would do that. Um, but like you said, someone's downsizing. They don't want a big house and they have they have
RVs and they want to put them in the yard and they don't I don't need a big house. I just want my boat whenever I need it, but I want the space. No, I guess I would say if I mean that's the question, right? If if I can only
put a tiny home or a a home, let's get rid of tiny home. A small a smaller house under 1,000 square feet, but I can only do that in RT1, right? No, in this group. Well, the residential transition. Well, right now the elimination of the living area would
apply to all of them. But um I mean I guess Victoria, what do you think? As a I can understand. I think the scenario that you're coming up with, which is also a valid scenario to look at is if I'm right, I think you're thinking about a suburban neighborhood that was developed all at one time and all the
homes are the same size. Correct. Yeah. House got burned down by a fire. Okay. We probably should think through that scenario a little bit more. Yeah. Well, no, because he's he's playing devil's advocate there because he's right. If my house burns down and I want to build a
smaller one because it's cheaper, you give me the right and you don't have a choice standards. Yeah, I'm keeping a lot to put my boat in RVs and whenever I need them. I think we could come up with some language that speaks to that specific context because there is a lot of that here in Okoi, but I think in
general we could come up with some specific like context language. Yeah, I I think I do like the idea that if you if you currently have a two-bedroom, one bath, 5,000 foot lot, we're not forcing you to to vacate that lot and having to
mow it until the until the neighbor sells you another one and combine them. Okay, in that situation, I can understand that. Maybe we can put in like a compatibility clause in there because if if the new structure sort of changes the look and feel of the neighborhood, then that maybe it's
something that we can put in as a clause for But if that's the case, if the first person comes in with a with a home for 300 square feet, that's that's the standard. I'm sorry. I mean, this fits for 25% of the city, right? Security lane, the the Pine Pioneer Keys, those
those areas, right? This is perfect for that. But we don't want somebody in Prima Vista to bulldoze their house and then put a 750 foot home. There's no HOA there, which it will do. Well, I think a couple of things I maybe I think we need to be in a range because some of the
older suburban developments are probably not around 2500 because homes have doubled in size since like 1972. So, I think that maybe there's an ability to we think about it in scale and range and compatibility.
I think that scenario is one we need to work on a little bit more. But I would say that any like within a mile of us right here, eliminating the minimum probably works very well. Maybe we consider eliminating the minimum the minimum in just the downtown
district or something. Are you able to do it just the residential transition just apply to that? What effect would it have if it's not applied to tra traditional neighborhood, urban neighborhood? That kind of still like if
so the R the RT1's now um like in the existing scenarios RT1 eliminating that would make sense but for R3 though there are some large lot subdivisions to to Mr. for's point um that is high density
residential R3 but built with large lot single family detached homes is is your vision for this like I'll use it for instance especially in the downtown core you look at the build the house that's behind L's house it's up for sale it's 300 square foot house needs a lot of
work it's bad they want to tear that down put a 750 foot house there that doesn't meet the to me Right. That doesn't meet the vision of that area. I would say I don't know the area that you're talking about. I don't know what Mr.
Generally speaking, it it it doesn't you don't necessarily need to know the area. It just doesn't make sense. Well, I think but you're what you just described was one house that was 3,000 square ft. And so contextually, we don't in this particular scenario, we don't know what
the rest of it is to answer next school to elementary school. There's no houses under 1,000 square feet there, right? They're all probably 15 to 2500 square f feet. So like for instance, I'm looking at the
second page of there. There's two in that area. I'm sorry. Okay. So I'm saying lot size for RT was 7,000 ft. Maybe this particular idea could work for anything below 7,000 foot lots because you stop at 7 there there are plenty of houses in this area that are
that are that are built under 7,000 square foot. I guess the the downside if I were to play devil's advocate is that someone could split that lot like a 7500 foot lot and then put tiny small homes on it too. So, I
think we probably need to come at it from a different I'm not adverse to a a smaller home, right? My first house was 900 square ft was perfect. So, I'm not averse to it. I think maybe y'all just need to kind of take that back a little bit and think about it. I mean, using the a good, for instance, somebody up on
the hill that wants to get rid of a house up there and make a smaller one or somebody in Prima Vista that wants to take out a you know, 2500 foot house and put a 750 foot house there. Right. So, that's all I would say that that's serve you well if they take it back and come back something else on
that. I I I would put more thoughts into this. Okay. And I'll tell you a little bit more about where we're coming at this from is the ability to I mean we all know housing is super expensive. So looking at a variety of housing sizes so that we can provide for people of
different um seasons in life or income levels, you know, um to en enrich the community with that. but also um you know some of the scenarios we're talking about with the duplexes, triplexes, getting them small enough to fit on a lot and putting them where they work.
That's an area where we're definitely going to have to look at lowering or eliminating the minimum size. So, we can take it back and look at that traditional neighborhood and and some of those scenarios. Yeah. No, it makes total sense, but it also says I'm going back to prevest just because I know it's
a non-HOA neighborhood, right? There's nothing stopping a dude from his house burns down and he wants to build a 750 foot house. Now the house next door to it is not comparable and it could affect values. That's my only No, not quite. It
will I don't you know recent there was an effort in Winter Garden just a couple of months ago to do math um to come up with the appropriate size range which I I think did not succeed. And so we'll look at it. We'll come up with some
about compatibility. Yep. Don't use math. Again, well, this is why we're having this meeting tonight is so that we don't actually go and write everything because I personally don't like doing the same thing twice.
Okay. So, moving on to um non-residential. So right now we have six categories for non-residential professional offices and services. Um the different C's C1 C2C3 and then I1
and I2. Um and just like with the residential, all of the permissible uses are are listed there, special exceptions. Um for purposes of tonight, we didn't didn't want to like use up screen space to include the prohibited list. So presumably whatever's not
listed is considered prohibited. Um and then the acreage size, they're all one acre except for industrials. So there's that's not changing. Um minimum lot width and all that stuff. So um we are proposing something that still
ends up with six uh which is collapsing professional offices and services into C1 because offices and the all of essentially all the uses in that um P-S zoning district are also allowed in C1. So there's really not a a need to
separate the two. So we collapse it into a new one. And then keeping with having nomenclature for the residential districts, we're sort of moving that along to the non-residential districts. So the PSC1 um we're proposing it to become like a neighborhood commercial
and uh C2 is community commercial, C3 is arterial commercial, and then the eyes would stay the same. Um before I get down to the mixes, um something that we are proposing is neighborhood commercial having a thousand a 10,000 square of
like a square footage cap per building. So um if you have if you are a property that is zoned neighborhood commercial, your biggest building size would be 10,000 square feet or less or or less than thou 10,000 square feet. So,
um, trying not to come up with an arbitrary number, Tori and I went through different cities and used the the the measuring tool and looked at a bunch of different size, shapes, configurations of buildings here
existing in AOI and when garden um, went to park the other cities that she's worked with in um, Charlotte, Charlotte, right? Charleston. Charleston. I always say Charlotte, Charleston. Um and um some of her colleagues work in other um
cities as well that are known for their new urbanism practices. So 10,000 or less than 10,000 square feet in a neighborhood setting uh works. For example, the Miller's L House in Winter Garden there is just under 9,000. Just
to give you like a a mental picture of what that size is. the if you're familiar with old Winter Garden, Vinland Road and Tilden Road in um Winter also in Winter Garden and that's because I travel that route. So, I had um uh Tori measure it. That's also less than
10,000. It's two stories and still less than 10,000. And in that building, it's a L-shaped building. There's a nice Italian restaurant with outdoor seating. There's a the paint shop. there's a an academic center like a mathnasium or something like that with other restaurants, a yoga studio, some office
spaces on top with the balconies. So, we measured several sites throughout um a of several cities just to arrive at what might work. We also looked at it on um we also tested it on half acre and one acre lots here in downtown. We also
tested it on um the 5 acre sites that's on the north side of the city just to see what square footage we could get and what what sort of works um with those parameters. So in terms of square footage u and you can have multiple
10,000 square foot or 9,000 foot buildings. It's just that for architectural and design reasons because the neighborhood commercial is intended to be in a neighborhood setting. You could have a 3 acre parcel or site and
have nice 9,9500 square foot buildings that work well together. So it's not all one great big building. Um for so for community commercial we're proposing less than 25 um and arterial commercial which is like on the state
roads um Clark or um AOA Popka is less than 50 um and I know like I'm sure like what just popped into my head was the sports complex theirs is clearly greater than 50,000 square feet but the way they're
doing their architecture now is there's a wall that sort of makes it look like one seamless building kind of back a house, but the buildings are individual buildings connected by corridors. So, um they'll probably come in after the fact and this won't apply to them because
they are PUD anyway. It's not a conventional zoning district. So, then we looked at what are the uses that we want to consider for what the city would would deem as neighborhood friendly commercial. So, you've got the multiplex upper story residential. So
you have the first floor is office, second floor is residential, um the mixed shoes building, we've got retail establishments. And what we wanted to do here is just list the the general categories instead of saying um shoe store, hardware store, appliance store,
you know, things like that, plumbing supply store. We're just saying if if you're retail, you're selling something. You are a a retailer. You're selling dining. It doesn't matter if it's a fast food, high quality, um, high turnover, it's just a dining establishment.
Um, professional offices and studios, like if someone wanted to have their, um, dance studio or their yoga studio, that could be something that might be considered neighborhood serving because the those residents would go there. Financial institutions without drive-throughs, um, event assembly
spaces. Again, when you think of vent and similarly spaces, you're thinking of big. But if you're in this zoning area, you're capped at less than 10,000 square feet. So, the implications of traffic, um, infrastructure, and things like that is still scaled down.
um public buildings and uses, indoor, recreation, entertainment, um personal services, and we will update the definition to include include define what's included in personal services. Um we're also proposing to introduce a c a
definition of specialty services or specialty retail. Um and then for neighborhood we felt that sales, service and repair of bicycles or similar vehicles designed for transport of a single person like it could be those
Segways, the ebikes, um the bikes that recline back, you know, all those things, but you want that in a neighborhood environment because everybody has bikes and ebikes now. So, it's nice to just walk it over to a little shop that can repair and service
it for you. Um and then uh community residential home major is something that by by law we have to place it somewhere. Um community commercial. So all the uses that we feel are are generally compatible with neighborhood
we can also allow those in community um commercial. So all the uses that are in neighborhood formerly PS and C1 would also be allowed in C2 now community commercial. But we're also including in this one medical offices and clinics without overnight stays. So I included
that because um I dealt with a scenario in Orange County where clinics was allowed but overnight stay wasn't allowed be but it was a sleep clinic. That's what you do. Um so this one in this category the
overnight stays wouldn't be allowed but it could be allowed in the next the more intense district which is the C3. So, it's allowed somewhere but not closer to where residences are living. Where residents are living. Um, businesses and and services not requiring outdoor storage or the conduct of businesses
outside. Um, automobile uses that uh don't require drive-thru um would be allowed. Community convenience markets without gas sales would be allowed. Um, so all of that as
we transition to C3 or arterial. So you expect higher traffic um like traffic trips and traffic um volumes on arterials. So a neighbor a resident can't build their house in next to state
road 50 and really have any valid justification for complaining about traffic and noise because you're choosing to build along State Road 50. Um, so all the uses that are allowed in community commercial would then be also allowed in arterial commercial but at a
larger scale. So if you wanted that multiplex upper story residential or retail on the bottom you could in an arterial commercial. So specialty retail um artisan retail and production like bread production, smallcale milling,
coffee coffee milling or coffee coffee grinding uh there's a word for it. It escapes me right now. Um hosting coffee roasting. Yes, thank you. Um cobblers, you know, I broke one of my f favorite pairs of shoes. I have
no idea where I can go to get my heel repaired, but you know, those kinds of like trade skills, it would be nice for them to be located somewhere and and called out. Um medical facilities with overnight stays would be here. drinking
establishments like um a a lounge or something like that could be considered there. Um the distance requirements is not being discussed in this LDC update because it is in the code avoidances. Um automobile uses for drive-throughs
um community with gas sales and then essentially the light industrial and heavy industrial will essentially stay the same. We're just including like craft industrial into the I1. For example, test kitchens. I've received several phone calls from different realtors asking about a couple of the
properties along Kolia Papaka Road on the west side that wanted to do to bring a test kitchen to the city. We don't have anything that specifically says test kitchen in a use table. I I couldn't even tell you what the SIC code is for that, but it could fall under craft industrial.
Um and then heavy industrial is pretty much everything else. So then moving on to the new category which is the mixed use. So we still end up with six categories because we're introducing a new one. So in this we're introducing um residential
um because as as with the comp plan the residential the downtown is a mixeduse district because there are plenty of single family detached homes. Now, if we didn't allow residential here, we would create blocks of legal non-conformities.
So, it would have to be an allowed use. Um, any of the uses permitted in the mixed residential district could be allowed. So, the different types of housing topologies, um, any uses in the neighborhood, commercial districts would be allowed again because we are wanting to get that neighborhood walkability.
And you'll see towards the end of the PowerPoint the reason why we created the categories and groupings the way we have here. And then entertainment by itself aside from recreation related entertainment. So but it's entertainment that does not include adult
entertainment. So still staying with the city's co current um position with respect to adult entertainment and then artisan and craft retail. Um, special exceptions. I We're running short on time. Mr. Alumni gave me 25 minutes. So, I'm just going to go ahead
and skip this slide since there's so many blanks that we're still working on. Um, in terms of development standards, this is where it gets really interesting. So, we're, as I mentioned before, we're looking at developing or coming up with development standards based on product type. So, the product
types are down here at the bottom of the screen. the they are multif family town home mixeduse office or commercial industrial and structured parking. So as you see a product type is not a single family detached structure and a duplex.
So, as I mentioned before, it could be a single family detached structure in a quadriplex multiplex kind of scenario because it's it's giving the ability for each individual home on that parcel with
four dwellings on it to have its own character. So, um as I mentioned at the beginning, the the code is to transition from suburban to urban. So the urban design standards here at the bottom and then architectural standards here. So
building sighting and bu and site design go together under site urban design. Um building sighting speaks to building orientation. We're going to be looking at establishing identifying a primary elevation, a secondary elevation. For example, if
you've got Silverstar and um um I can't think of a single street connecting Silverstar right now. Okay, thank you. Um or even a smaller one, Montgomery uh and White, for example. White would be the primary and
Montgomery would be a secondary. So, and tertiary would be essentially everything else. and then having higher standards for how the building interacts with the rightway and higher standards for the look the aesthetics the architectural
design of the building. So that's all grouped together. Um looking at lot size and widths, um building setbacks, on-site parking, and just so you know, when we came up with this and putting all this together, Tori and I and another colleague um went we did a site
visit like a half day. We went to Winter Garden Plant Street downtown and we took the measuring wheel with us and our notepads and took pictures and we went to a spot and we like how does this feel? What is this? What is the experience? Does it feel too crowded? Does it feel safe? Does it feel like is
it comfortable? Okay, it's hard to understand what that is without knowing the the actual dimensions. So for every spot that we went to, we took pictures of it and then we we measured it from the travel lane curb to the first
vertical line of the building. We took those measurements, the sizes of the planter beds, where the trees are, the heights of the benches and where the benches were placed, how all those things um how the buildings go in, over out, that's articulation. How that
feels. If we say five feet, does it make sense? Does it fit? So, we went and we looked at the location where, okay, this is a nice grouping of chairs and tables. This is another nice grouping of chairs and tables. And we still saw people walking freely. And so, we measured how wide is
that space for the chairs and tables to to fit comfortably. How wide is the travel path for pedestrians? and then on the other side. So we took all those measurements and we plan on incorporating that into specific code language in the LDC following each of
these um categories in in these these four columns here for each product type. So that's why we wanted to get your your blessings on this approach before we actually went in and like put all the
meat on the bones. Um continuing on uh looking on-site parking circulation um site design um creating making sure that as projects come in we're avoiding um dead ends. Uh we want to protect that public realm. We want to protect that
terminating vistas and pedestrian access. It's not enough to just sidewalk grass sidewalk from the public sidewalk to the building. That's not very inviting. We want to see okay here's the back of the curb. Here's where cars go. This may be where the rightaway is, but
the pedestrian is still in this area. So, we want to make sure that they feel protected and safe from the cars, but not having the uses too far separated from each other. So, that leads us to looking at does the building do we still need to keep that 25 foot front setback?
A 25 foot set front setback is not enough room for one travel lane and one row of parking. It just isn't because the parking space is 20 is 20 ft. You can't have a 5ft drive aisle. So it forces a two stack row of of parking
with 22 to 24 foot driveouts in the center and then the building's now not just 25 ft back, it's more like 4550 ft back because economically it doesn't make sense to you can't physically fit the parking there. So if we eliminate the minimum front step setback of 25
feet and say okay you can move it up the building line to 15 feet have your pa nice walkway 10 12 feet which we measured in Winter Garden um and Tories also looked at it in Winter Park uh at
their main street. It's it makes the travel lane for the car and the travel lane for the pedestrians work better together irrespective of where the property line is. But we can because we
know that we measured it from road to um to the building and then we look at the property appraisers website to see where is the curb, where is the property line and where's the building. we can then do the math to say, okay, 10 feet back is fine because now you have a 15 foot
space of nice pedestrian area and street furniture area that still works. So, um, over the past six or so months, that's what we've been doing to try to come up with this. Um, the site design would also include like
landscaping and buffering in an urban environment. Our current code requires 10- foot separation uh a 10-ft setback landscaped between along the internal property lines. It doesn't care the code really doesn't
speak to or or doesn't recognize that you don't need to buffer an office building from a restaurant. The way the code reads now is each lot has to have 10 feet landscaped. Well, in an urban environment, you don't need that. You want the connection. Um
uh so like for example here at this lot there's no need to put 10 foot of landscaping and then on this side 10 foot of landscaping. So now you've got all that wasted space where it's an urban environment. You want people to be able to walk from that establishment to that establishment.
Um then utilities and infrastructure. That was a big one because typically utilities requires a 10-ft easement um along the rideway. So we did meet with utilities a few times to to get their buy in to help encourage requiring
utilities on the secondary or tertiary frontages so that we can free up the ability to use the the frontage the primary frontage. Um also looking at open space and having shared open space is you if you'll recall in the complant update a mix de development has to have
one of the components is a small or some sort of public gathering space. It could be 500 square feet. It could be, you know, whatever that size is. For example, um, in Winter Garden, two parallel parking spaces, that's eight,
sometimes nine. We measured that at exactly 8 feet on some of them. And a typical safe amount of space for people to navigate and parallel park is 22 feet. So that's 8* 20 uh time 44. That's a pretty big size little parklet. So it
doesn't like as long as you they provide something that's what the open space design standard is for is so that it's not just a business some people can just go and gather there which helps to bring foot traffic to help support that business. Um, we also looked at street treatment and walkways. For example, you
don't want to have a line um of a road rows of parking. We are we've looked in depth of street walls where it's not just 4 foot cinder block and it that looks suburban. Um Tori has a bunch of things that she's written up so far
about um screen walls where different architectural types, different materials, plantings along those things so that it's inviting but it's still shielding the eyes from the parking lot. So uh we also working on that language. Um lighting, uh we want to make sure
that it's pedestrian scale lighting is important. the lighting design. We are proposing to include language in there that the the base of the light poles have to be flared or fluted in some way. So it's not just concrete sidewalk light pole. That's that is more suburban that
you see that when you're driving down US 90, you know. Um then we looked at guest parking, um vehicle circulation, screening, as I mentioned, signage. And by signage, we're not talking about necessarily the square footage. Now we're looking at
whether it's the what is it called the um the arcade signs where it sort of comes out projected signs and things like that and then as a site design requirement we are also putting in there for compatibility. So that's important because in the downtown for example if
someone wanted to I actually had a phone call someone wanted to um move here to the city in a house but then maybe convert it into an office later you could do that. There's not there's nothing wrong with that as long as the house still looks like a house. So compatibility means that you can't
convert that house to now look like something that doesn't fit into the context. Um so that's urban design and then moving on to building design form massing the architectural design itself materials and finishes all these things that Tori is going to cover and then
accessory structures. Um, so with that, um, gonna turn Mike over to Tori and she'll tell you in a second that it's basically taking one of these prototypes and taking it from building sighting all the way to accessory structure. Why
don't we actually take a little two-minut break, five minute break, let's use the restroom and then come back. Okay, that works. Thank you. All right, you got 10 minutes. I'm kidding. Take as much time as you want.
I mean, I just say that because she rolls over to the next hour. So, you know what I mean? We're taking all the time you need. Okay, we're ready. We're back. I'm going to backtrack just for one second because you because I'm already turning some thoughts out about your questions about eliminate
eliminating the minimum square footage. And I'm going to play devil's advocate now. um in the scenario that we need to think about related to sort of um suburban developments all built within the same time range, all roughly the same size.
And um you know, we're thinking about neighborhood character and if someone was to build a 750T cottage surrounded by 3,000 square foot um homes, that would be a a different character indeed. But in the scenario that you all
presented me with or us with related to a community that doesn't have an HOA, you would also destroy the neighborhood character if you were not regulated and you built back something that was architecturally incompatible. So you
know a 2 and a half story 30 35 foot tall home small footprint in the midst of rancher houses and stuff. So, it's very complex and um even if there's no design standards for that
neighborhood though, so technically you could say there's no design standards because the way they built it back then there's probably seven or eight different elevations in that same property in that same neighborhood. Right. So, well, I'm talking about like ma massing. So, if you're in a you know,
I agree. I mean, I think you could still come back with that scenario of a burndown house and build something that meets your 3,000 square foot, but it completely destroys the neighborhood character. So, it's a complex issue. I do want to put some thought with a notch into it and come up with something that
can speak to compatibility, but I I don't think it's an endall that requires someone built to build the exact same character back, you know? Sure. Okay. All right. So in the second two columns on the slide now we're going to talk about building design that relates to
the overall size volume form kind of what I was just alluding to. Sorry to interrupt you one more time. I apologize they Mr. Forges has some questions from previous. Just two questions. That's all from the previous. That's all. Just two
questions. Okay. Well, let's do it. I'm limit I'm limited to one, but I have to. Yeah, exactly. Um I didn't see lodging. Where does lodging fit? Oh, it's in there. Which because I see overnight uh
lodging, lodging, lodging. It is in there. I saw it. We literally read through this. It ain't there. ah it's a special exception um public lodging is so in C in neighborhood commercial is a special
exception as as I mentioned we're not completely done with the list of uses yet this is just to give you to get your um feedback and and um direction on the organization of the
zoning districts so when you see this again um at the hearing it'll have all the the different uses and stuff like that. Perfect. All right, that was 1 A. What's 1 B? The second question is, um, I'm thinking adult entertainment as a club, as a nightclub. Why wouldn't it
fit in the C3? Why does it have to be an industrial heavy industrial? Um, because I'm I'm I'm thinking there are there's some buffer between the C3 and residents. All entertainment. Correct. I'm I'm thinking again a nightclub.
Well, that's different. That's different. It's not adult entertainment. Entertainment. All entertainment and nightclub are different. Adult entertainment is defined in the code as that um okay that use of uh
dancing and so that is purposely in as No, I get that. Okay. So, so if someone if someone want to have a nightclub then that would be on C3. Um it would fall under uh it would fall under be entertainment
like a drinking establishment. Um maybe like entertainment. Entertainment. Okay. Where? Okay. Well, entertainment in a mixeduse. Really? Okay. Not including adult entertainment. Oh, again entertainment. So meaning they
can open till like Polaris downtown Winter Garden for example or like tequilas. Yeah. Okay. I've not been to tequila so I don't know those. See those were easy questions. Just clarification. Damn right. Okay, ready to move on.
Okay, back to the for columns building design. So I the building design column and the code itself for this area will go from general down to detailed. Um just as if you were designing the building and you
start with the overall massing form and height, volume. Um we all know what that is. And then we would step into building design. Some of the topics in that category would be such as you know where your entry can be located that buildings
have a middle top a top middle and base. The transparency requirements and then we would step into building elements. Some things in those categories would be like shutters uh window types.
I can't read my notes, but um roof types, porches, porch depths, those kind of elements that are the way that you uh clothe the building mass. And then the next category, materials and finishes. We're going to be talking about how materials uh what materials
are appropriate, how they can transition, where they can transition, overall tectonics of building materials such as, you know, stone or brick go under sighting, not above it, that sort of thing. Um that will also include some paint
standards. We're not going to provide paint pallets, but we will have language that speaks to inappropriate colors, um lurid colors, that kind of thing. And then the building design will also have some cate a category where we talk about
how the building addresses the public realm including significant corners and then building relationships and the spaces between buildings and what that creates. And then last, the category of accessory structure includes those accessory and incillary uses such as
fences, walls, incillary structures, service areas, and mechanical equipment. And so what I want to do is take the first product type here, multif family development, and walk through this development standard scenario. So we're going to start with building sighting
for multifamily. So, the code we're working on will regulate the placement of buildings. We're going to pull buildings up to the public realm, up to the public rightway so that they can address and engage with the public realm, activate the public realm, forming a public edge. And
another benefit of this is it screens the vehicular parking and it provides accommodations for direct and safe pedestrian access from the public right away. Uh oh, what's up? No, I just wanted to point out because when we start talking about this with
utilities, they're like buildings right up to the rightway. Where are the utility lines going to go? Yeah. Here it's not like rightway building. It's rightway building. But the pedestrian activation, the porches, the awnings, that is what's essentially bringing the
activity to adjacent to the rideway, but not the physical building wall itself. So I just wanted right public realm is slightly different than public right away. Then also for multif family um we need our developments to have an organizing principle for the
internal arrangement that could be or um the organization of the buildings around useful open space or green space. amenitized organized storm water, some sort of internal street grid, you know, with internal main streets, or we could organize these around mixeduse
components rather than parking. And then we, as I mentioned before, looking at building relationships that create useful and usable spaces between the buildings, such as courtyards and parkletits. And then in uh multif family development, we're also looking at
terminated vistas for important viewsheds such as from terminated internal or external streets. And you know what? I'm going to let you rest on these examples for a moment. The top left photo is organizing buildings around storm water. Uh top right,
organizing buildings up at the public realm, hiding the parking. and then some examples of pedestrian connectivity relationships between buildings. All right. And then that second column we talked about was site design. So I'm going to walk multif family through that. We're looking at a connected
circulation network rather than disjointed or segregated elements so that we are getting a cohesive fabric especially on large sites. We're going to require direct sidewalk connections from the public rightway to buildings and throughout the site. These need to
be efficient and safe and they will be a minimum of six feet in width. And then storm water ponds, they need to be naturally shaped or they need to be constructed of hard to find edges. And then we're looking at amenitizing those
with walkways and pedestrian recreation. Um, next page. Again identifying and addressing terminated vistas in significant corners with site features or buildings. Omit we want to omit deadends or culde-acs in
lie of um treating these as space and with placemaking uh elements and techniques. Some of these are featured on this slide, but terminating our um avoiding them, but when necessary due to topography or natural land features, we
can treat these with parkletits, landscape features, muse. Orange County has a really cool detail for a closed culdeac, a close culde-sac where you get like a little green space that organizes the buildings around it, the sidewalks, and it's useful. One space allows. We're
looking at that. And then screening surface parking lots from the public realm using buildings and screen walls. And then last avoiding long parking lot rows, internal parking lot driveways and
internal streets that are uninterrupted. So all right, next category for multif family is the building design. As always, multiple smaller buildings are easier and less unwieldy than fewer larger buildings. They also fit within
the context a lot better. I mentioned this a minute ago, but all buildings when you really start looking at them, at least good buildings have a basemental and top. I provided an example here of a really extreme example of a base, middle, and top. And so it's not usually this pronounced, but if you
if you start looking at buildings, they have um a storefront on the first floor or a Wayne Scott or a brick base. And then sometimes the the top feature is as simple as a a little cornice or some some some flashing over the roof parapit. So buildings need to have
basement on top composition. And then again with the public realm, we're going to prioritize the activation of and connectivity to the public realm. This could be through the use of access into individual ground floor units where appropriate or porches at corners on
ground floor units. And then we're going to pri we're also prioritizing the presence of the public presence onto the public realm with raised finished floors. The closer you are to the public rightway, we've got a higher finished floor elevation so that you get that
separation that's needed. Uh we are going to deemphasize garages and vehicular space. We are requiring significant corners and terminating vistas to be uh featured with architectural features. I may have harped on this a little bit too much.
And then one thing that that's come across recently because this sometimes this this does happen, but we're going to require that the building footprint, the facade design, and the roof to correlate. Uh oh. No, it's not. It's an add-on. Yeah. Um so the reason why we uh
wanted to emphasize the separation and the height uh the raised finish floor is that um when you walk around like some cities like in Baldwin for example, not cities, areas, um we saw situations where they're nice town home designs,
but the front door is at the same grade as the sidewalk. And so even though their their door is like three four feet from the sidewalk, it's the same level. So there's no like privacy space, but if it's elevated a little bit, you feel
more comfortable setting your plants there or just chairs or what have you. So it's just to create that separation. And I wanted to come up here and like stop interrupt presentation because we probably will see some push back because it does cost more to add those those
treatments um to raise the finished floor and things like that. But it it does add significantly to the activation of the public realm but also protecting the privacy of those individual homes. Absolutely. And what about accessibility
in those cases? It could be step down sidewalks. Um but the ones the examples we've seen the cars in the back has there's um the the slope and the grade is accessible from the back of the house. Okay. Uh we have language to omit or to
restrict the use of faux facade treatments such as you know um faux windows and faux the things that create sort of a stage set scenery. All right. And then uh regulating the
scale of buildings through articulation. You know um long flush flat facades don't speak to the human scale. So having recesses and protrusions that add to articulation along the building facade will bring the scale down of the building.
Regulating building elements to be sized appropriately and used correctly. So porch depth, the size of shutters to fit the windows, things like gable depth, gable depth, material tectonics, column and beam connections to be aligned and
the use of brick and brick treatments. Then I may have mentioned this but regulating facade materials to be properly transitioned between and to create more authentic appearance of their use. And then regulating material and finish colors especially for paint. I did mention that. And then
last last column is the accessory structures. So again, for a multifamily product, you would see this come to play with requiring the amenity and support buildings such as the clubouses or cabanas to be designed in the same
architectural language and style as the residential buildings provide access via safe pathways. Also the the more utilitarian structures such as the dumpster enclosure that would be that would be designed in a similar fashion
to fit in and to visually go away. Mechanical equipment such as air conditioned condensers that would be tucked away and screened. And then screen walls for surface parking lots when they're up against the public realm. We want to get that nice edge and
we want to visually screen the cars and the parking. So, the design of those screen walls would need to be integrated and coordinated with the primary buildings on the site and then a requirement for guest parking. Any questions
because I did kind of fly through it. Mr. Chair, I do have one question, but it's from earlier if I can. Sure. Um and and that's the question I I know you said you were um doing winter garden a lot as far as measuring sizes and all
that. The question that I have um is for bicycles in Winter Garden, especially downtown Winter Garden, you basically have that center median which is bicycle. So when you look at the
comfortability of people on the sidewalks in front of stores and everything, if you now take into consideration that we don't have that, that changes what you're going to need
for a comfort level of bicyclists now being in the same area as your pedestrians. Correct. So in Winter Garden that that bicycle path, I don't know if this So it's on. Okay. Um so in Winter Garden that bike path is is
the West Orange Trail. We measured the we measured it from building all the way to building um by adding the we measured it in pieces from the wall to the edge of the to the curb. Then the travel lane
which were typically sometimes like eight feet. Um the center itself sometimes it's 15 feet. And then where it approaches the intersection, it narrows to force cars to slow down. Some a couple locations they dropped to seven and a half feet and then another seven
and a half feet and then eight to 10 feet for the pedestrian skate zone to the wall. So adding that that all those lengths together makes up what could be a right of way. It'll be less than that.
Um in that scenario, if the streets right away don't or can't accommodate all that, then we would have to look at other ways. Um so it may be just a wider walk and pedestrian bike zone on one side of the street, not on both sides of the street. So these are the things that
we would have to write into code to be to help it to be a little bit more sight specific because not all rightways are big enough. This sort of pattern we would not expect on a residential area with 50 foot rights ofways. You're looking at something that is at least 70 to 80 feet of rightway in order to make
it fit with the reduction in the building setbacks so that it creates more usable airspace. Yep. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Is that the only the last question for there may be just a um addendum on that.
Yeah, there there are I mean I I I might not be fully knowledgeable about this, but we are looking at some a trail conversion project for a bike and ped specifically. And so while we
may not have that trail path that you're referring to, the West Orange Trail, we may not have it coming through the center of town. we are looking at um those potential places and I think your question speaks to kind of a general blanket statement of you know as we're
creating buildings and bringing them up to the roadway what's the sidewalk depth to accommodate people on feet and people on bikes and I I think we've got to look at it contextually but we are also looking at trail connections around the
city I'm just looking at also your your downtown area that's to me if if They're looking to bring a lot of people there and now as as they do in downtown Winter Garden and now all of a sudden we're adding bicycles into that
sidewalk. You So if I could, for example, bringing bicycles to our downtown. Um, you know, with Oakland being I don't know if this one's working right over there going right down the middle with uh with Oakland part of Oakland already improved and then the
rest is like uh yet to come. Um, I don't know if it's okay to share this at this point, but we're looking at we're working with Healthy West Orange and DOT on a rail trail, the city's first rail trail, I believe, from um, Oakland all the way to Washington. So, there are two
little areas that are that we think is wide enough or sizable enough to create like tiny little bookends. So we could have um nice quality bike parking areas where it could eventually connect to West Orange Trail that'll come here. It there should be like on the other side
of where um I think Miss Sil's property is there's that little space that is CSX is uh if we incorporate it as part of the rail trail project that could be a nice little sitting landing zone where people could bike there from Winter Garden, park there and then walk around
our downtown and then bike back. So, it may not the the areas um there may not be a a bicycle lane throughout all the projects, but where it's possible, we will we will be looking at that. I just I just wanted to make sure we weren't forgetting that because it's it was very
easy to say, oh, this looks really good in Winter Garden, and then all of a sudden, oh, wait a minute, we forgot this group of people is going to be added into our sidewalk. So everything that like going back to which you'll see in a minute in a moment. Um if you'll recall when we did
the presentation on the comp plan, the 10-minute walk, right, includes bicyclist, the 15-minute city, which I'll go into in just a moment. Um we are everything that we're we're doing in terms of protecting the public realm speaks to prioritizing non-vehicular
travel first. So, but it in terms of when projects come in, they would have to be specific case by case based on that public realm that that project is next to. Isn't all the sidewalk from on, you know, when u a popka
a popka je a koi popka road's done, aren't there going to be eight or 10 foot sidewalks, you know, down from where almost the trail all the way through into downtown? It's supposed to be 12 on the west side. So, I mean, that is big enough for bicycles and pedestrians. Yes. It gets
us all the That gets us from a a trail crossing all the way in Yes. then to downtown with the the wide sidewalk here and then all the way down Blford. Yeah. Yes. And so, the reason why when we went out to take we went to Winter Garden because it's something that we could do
in a half a day. Um, the reason why Tori and I decided while we're out there, instead of measuring the entire distance, we measured the components so that each component we knew what could fit and what couldn't fit. Cool. And then I mean, I think we're all thinking in the same direction, but
having that trail access into town and then to accommodate the use of bikes in town, I almost I my personal thoughts are that we would in in town I feel very safe on a bike on the street. So, I wouldn't want to I would want to separate that from the sidewalks here in
town. I mean, in Winter Garden, I I ride my bike on the street, not on the sidewalk. But I think getting getting access into town on safe, separated bike lanes is is really something that we we are thinking about constantly. And then where to park bikes because we do want
to encourage that use. We come to it from a very pro bike place. In fact, I tried to ride my bike between Okoya and Winter Garden and um ended up lying on a bench asking my husband to bring me water. So, it's not direct. Um but it is
something that we're consistently thinking about is is providing places getting people into town on bikes and then what they do when they're here and where they park. So yeah, something that um we could consider too is that when in locations where bike where rightaway is
insufficient to have a separate bike lane, those could be opportunities where we could have sher which are where the road shares the the lane with the bicyclist or instituting something that says okay in this qu corridor this area you can bring your bike but you have to
walk it. You can't ride on it. So you can bring your bike, walk it with you from store to store. The stores will have bicycle parking and then when you're ready to leave that area, you can bicycle back home. So yeah, good point. Any other thoughts on that? Oh, okay.
Yeah, I like it. Okay. Well, thank you for your questions. We really appreciate it because like we are constantly in this like I'll present a crazy idea and then Tori will shoot it in different ways and she'll present a crazy idea and then so but but I I we're both very passionate about it and we really we
really do want to get the code to a place where when we leave here the next group of young planners can take it and keep going and and create you know for KO's turn to to grow up. So um all right so as I had mentioned or
alluded to previously in the comp plan we talk about the 15-minute city. So what we did was we looked at the um the future lings map. We looked at the joint plan the uh the JPA future lines map and we try to so we literally I rolled out
my very well-loved and this is where you can pull these out now um zoning map and you know Tori has everywhere she goes every meeting she goes to she has her roll of traceable paper so we cut out little circles of quarter mile and half
mile and we use those to say okay where are the pockets of of that are void of potential commercial activity. Um the goal being it would be nice to have neighborhood commercial a 10-minute walk
10 minute a quarter of a mile is essentially a 10-minute walk. A half a mile is essentially like a 15inut drivewalk/bicycle trip. So we did that in specific locations. Um, one set of locations are
properties that are already inside the city that are already zoned commercial. So, we put little circles around those. The blue circles are quarter mile. The the reddish circle are half miles. Um and then we looked at the joint planning
area agreement future land use map which are properties in the county that will eventually at some point come into the city um to see what are their current future land use designations and then we looked at the aerial for those areas to see what is the property currently used
for. So with that said, if you look at your your rollouts or you can look on the screen, um there are pockets of uh or not pockets, locations um in the city the the JPA boundary of the city where
commercial already exists on the property, but the designation is low density residential on the JPA future land use map. So we are going to be talking to we have already started a conversation with the county to go ahead and do some changes to the future land
use map in the JPA as part of this um evaluation and analysis. So for example this top one at the top here we put a dot there because on the norththeast corner is a gas station and in the northwest corner is uh of that circle is
a a Dollar General. So the category is currently LDR. Well, that doesn't that doesn't that's not consistent with each other. If we go ahead and change it to commercial to reflect the use that's already there, this is a node that will serve these residents when those two
corners redevelop into something else. Same thing here. That is a potential for commercial. Um I wish I could zoom into my map. Uh, this is another one that could also potentially come into
commercial. This one here, this little dot, for some reason, it's A1. The city's not going I mean, they can't build anything on A1. So, when it comes in, it might as well be, you know, most people want to change it to commercial to increase their property values and
and entitlements and whatnot. So if this one comes into I lost my mouse as commercial it will serve this half mile radius. This is of course the golf course. This is similar uh winter gardens uh rib rapid infiltration basin I believe. So that's not going to ever
change. Um this is the shops on the bluff that is coming. So we did a quarter mile and a half mile around that. So this is already C1 um half mile quarter mile around that. So, as you can see in these
these circles, the if we go ahead and and focus neighborhood or community commercial in these areas, limiting them to 10,000 square feet or up to 25,000 square feet, it gives all these people in these residences in these yellows
opportunities to not have to drive to uh an interchange or not have to drive to uh downtown. So those could be little villages or not have to drive to State Road 50 or the mall and things like that. So that that is the concept of
trying to get to that 15 minute mile uh 15-minute city which is why we did the zoning um districts for commercial to be based on square footage so that there can't be a big box occupying a corner that makes it look suburban. It needs to
look like a village. Um so that's the concept of that one. So before I move on, I wanted to see if you all have any questions on on this map. Nope. [Applause] [Laughter]
I'm looking to the other end of the dice. Okay. So south will not be so south I didn't put circles because those are those commercials already there. Um and then like for example Westmeir it's gated. They're they're not
looking to be able to bike or walk easily. So but if we were to put the same circles there this um what the Publix is will serve this area. Um, and these are res uh commercial. Um, and then it's not ours, but Winter Garden
has a big commercial pocket that's right there. So, those those residents are essentially sort of served. Um the other thing that we did with respect to this analysis uh we've shared it with the utilities department and they are working to create maps to show where
their existing sewer lines are and where their planned sewer lines are to make sure that the recommendations of changing these to commercial makes is plausible because we wouldn't want to recommend something to go to commercial if there's no sewer line within a
policies. um that would present the problem when it comes time to site planning. So um the utilities GIS staff is preparing those maps, but they're just not ready for today's presentation. Um
let's see. Oh, and also I don't know, you probably already know this, but these big circles here north of Clark Con Road, the water sewer will become will be from Orange County. Um the city only provides reclaim on that north side. So that's the end of this workshop. Next
workshop will be bringing we'll be bringing back to you um some some responses to your comments and questions. But the next one we'll be looking at vehicular and bicycle parking ratios and design like for example we don't have any standards for angle parking right now. Um non-conforming
uses and structures and how to deal with those and phase those out and signage. So that's it. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Anybody have any questions? Perfect. Uh project status report.
Anything you want to tell us? Um how's the uh how's the new cell phone tower uh project coming on uh on Clark. It's done. It's already there. It's done. Yeah. It's got a cross on it and everything. I know. It had just I
thought that was like a temporary cross. N it's completed. Why does my cell phone service suck? So that's that I can't answer for you. Cricket wise Mike tells me all the time like a notch. I see your red cross from my office. Um yeah, I don't I don't think I have
any other project updates. I mean I I'm sure I do, but I just Well, Everest is almost done. We are working on their co um Lake Lily, the the Hela Brothers property next to Alibi. Um they've submitted their first site plan for lot
one um is a plan that covers lot one, two, and three. So they are in their first round of reviews. Um the pickle ball has resubmitted, but we haven't they're not sufficient. So we haven't routed them for review yet.
They're going from a indooroutdoor facility to an all- indoor facility. Um, let's see. The Gardinia subdivision has submitted their first application for their subdivision plan. So, that's now in for review. Um, let's see what else.
The neighborhood Walmart over on the north side. They are on their second round. They're responding to the second round of comments. It's coming. Mhm. We also have received the first round um for the northwest corner of the village
um south of the apartment complex. Okay. On the west side of that driveway entrance. So that one is currently it's in their ballpark now. So speaking of ballparks, did the uh sports complex break ground last week? No, I was in Vegas last week,
so I don't know. Okay. Uh the only other topic I wanted to bring up is uh I sometimes get confused whether to be here at 6:15 or 6:30. So if uh if staff is okay with it,
I would like to see moving this meeting back down back to 6:15 to match with the city commission meetings because I'm on four boards and they're all different times and I'm trying to get them all at 6:15. So, does staff see any problem
with that? Speaking for planning, we don't have an issue with that. Okay. Clerk's office. I will speak with the clerk. Okay. Yeah. If that's the case, uh, then I would get the board's pleasure on that. Does anybody have an issue with being here 15
minutes earlier? No. I was going to say I'm usually early anyway, so yeah. Well, if that's the case, if if the clerk does say good, then we'd like to go ahead and and start that with the next meeting because it's uh I was here at six o'clock today. I
think it was 6:15 meeting and I Oh, no. Um I mean, I like seeing you all early. That means you get two Mountain Dews instead of Yes, exactly. Um really quick, Mr. Chair, July's meeting will be your elections meeting. So, it'll be
great if we have the entire board. Um, and there was one thing else I forgot, but now I've forgotten it, but it'll come back to me. But yes, July will be an election meeting. All right. Well, if there's nothing else, uh, everybody have
a great night.