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Part 1 (Video ID: mdc1_KoDl6Q):
- 00:00:01: Call to Order, Consent Agenda Approval Process
- 00:01:47: Citizen Comments Section - Nobody Present Tonight
- 00:02:26: Case #2024-03865 - Continuation Request Approved
- 00:04:33: Case #2025-04380 - Unpermitted Fence, Violation and Fine Approved
- 00:08:10: Case #2025-04382 - Unpermitted Fence and Shed Discussion
- 00:09:57: Homeowner Joseph Explains Permit Status and Issues
- 00:15:51: Board Deliberation, Discussion of Compliance Time
- 00:17:58: Case #2025-04382 - Violation, Fine and Compliance Approved
- 00:19:08: Case #2026-00368 - Siding, Skirting, Debris Violations
- 00:22:17: Case #2026-00368 - Violation, Fine, Compliance Approved
- 00:23:50: Case #2026-00532 - Junk Vehicle, Debris in Backyard
- 00:27:36: Case #2026-00532 - Violation, Fine, Compliance Approved
- 00:29:38: Case #2026-00741 - Junk and Debris, Initial Presentation
- 00:32:23: Homeowner Victoria Laney Disputes the Violations
- 00:39:41: Legal Discussion on Photograph Evidence, ADA Accommodations
- 00:41:18: Officer Katy Presents Current Photos of the Property
- 00:43:40: Victoria Laney Responds to Photo Evidence
- 00:45:19: Legal Clarification: Furniture vs Junk and Debris
- 00:51:31: Discussion of Past Violations and HOA Issues
- 00:57:48: Discussion of ADA Accomodations vs. Neighborhood Nuisance
- 00:59:11: Case #2026-00741 - Violation, Fine, Compliance Approved
- 01:00:37: Board Member Comments, Resignations, Adjournment


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Do you and each of you solemnly swear and affirm that the testimony you're about to present today shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> You may be seated. >> Thank you. All right. Lieutenant Olsen, do we have a consent in this? Right. >> We do. >> All right. Please. >> Uh, we have three cases that have come

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into compliance. They are as follows. 2000 case number 202600486. The address is 2525 Dovetail Drive. The second is case number 2026 0615

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property address of 401 Hagar Drive. And case number 202600638 property address 2003 Nancy Ant Terrace. >> Excellent. Thank you. All right. We need a motion made for consent agenda.

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Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion. >> Yes, vice chair. Um, >> Mr. Chair, I move that we accept the uh consent agenda as presented by the city. >> Second Fernandez. Okay, perfect. So, we have a

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motion made by uh member Lewis, seconded by member Fernandez that we accept the consent agenda as presented by uh Lieutenant Olsen for the city. Let's take a vote. All those in favor press

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yes. All those opposed press no. Motion passes unanimously. All right. Perfect. This is uh this is the section where we do citizen comments. Uh we limit it to three minutes. It it is uh

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for not for cases that are coming this evening, but it's things around the city of Akoi. we give the citizens an opportunity to to come to this meeting and speak and uh so we can hear their viewpoints. It doesn't look like we have anybody here this evening. So uh we're going to

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go ahead and close the citizens comment section. All right, our first case of the evening is get this here. Looks like it's 2424

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03865 Officer Laughler the city the city's requesting a continuation of this case till the next CB hearing Okay. Okay.

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>> Mr. Chairman, um Rick Geller, city attorney. >> Yes. >> And I'm here wearing the city attorney's hat, not not as board attorney tonight, just so the record is clear. >> We appreciate you being here. And um I think you do need a motion and a second to table this to the next meeting since it since it is appearing on the agenda.

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It would be my recommendation. >> Understand? I was going to make a motion. >> Okay. Uh member Lewis, go ahead and make a motion. Mr. Chair, I move that in case number 2024-03865 that uh case be continued as requested

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by city until the next hearing. Second. >> Okay, we have a motion on the board board made by uh member Lewis, seconded by member Fernandez that in case number 2024-03865, it be continued until our next board

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meeting. Do we need the date for that? >> May 21st. Is that what it is? >> All right, it is May 21st. All right. Any discussion? Nope. Let's go ahead and

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take a vote. All those in favor press yes. All those opposed press no. Motion passes unanimously. All right. Next case before us is case number

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2025-043. 04380. Uh, Officer Laughler. Thank you. Edward Laughler, city of AOE, code enforcement. Case number 04380 is 322 Little Aspen Court on December 17th,

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2025. Responding to a citizen complaint, this officer did observe a 4ft high wood stockade fence constructed without a permit. On the same date, a violation notice was posted at the location and sent out certified service to the property owners as identified by

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official county records for violation of ordinance 115-3 regarding the work without first obtaining a permit. The notice provided until January 19th, 2026 to obtain a permit from the building department. On January 20th, 2026, reinspection

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revealed non-compliance. On April 2nd, 2026, a statement and notice to this hearing was posted at the location in the city hall lobby and sent out certified service by the clerk. As of this date, the violation remains non-compliant with the code as cited.

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The city's requesting a 15-day compliance time frame or forfeit a fine amount of $100 per day for every day not in compliance with any issued orders. All right. 15 days and $100 fine for the violation. >> Yes, sir.

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>> All right. Do any of the members have any other questions for the officer? >> Any contact with the homeowner? >> No. >> Has the the notice you posted, did it disappear? >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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Let's go ahead and entertain a motion. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion. >> Yes, member Fernandez. >> I move that in case number 2025-04380, the respondent be found in violation of code as cited as of uh January 19th, 2026 and be given until

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May 1st, 2026. to come into compliance be fined $100 per day per violation until found in compliance. >> I second. >> All right. We have a motion on the board made by member Fernandez, seconded by member Schultz, that in case number

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2025-04380 that they are found in violation and uh the fine is and given uh 15 days till May 1st, 2026 to come in compliance or be fined $100 per day for the violation. Any discussion?

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No. Let's vote those all those in favor press yes. All those opposed no. It passes unanimously. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> All right. Uh next case is 2025-04382. Officer Toby.

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Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Case number 2025-04382 2782 Great Vine Crest on 12225 in response to citizen complaint. This

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officer did observe at 2782 Great Vine Crest. the following violation of 51-13. On the same day, a violation notice was certified mailed to the property owner as identified in Orange County public records.

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The the notice was for violation of ordinance 51-13 unpermitted fence and also shed. The notice provided until 12226 to correct the violation. On 12626, the

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property was reinspected and found not in compliance. On 4626, a statement of hearing notice to this meeting was posted at the location posted in city hall and sent out certified delivery. As of today, the

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violation is still in non-compliance. the city's recommendations of 15 days to come into compliance or $100 per day thereafter. Officer Toby, um I noticed that the violations are 51-13

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and also 501-13. Are those considered two separate violations? >> It's for the fence and also for the um the shed. >> All right. Is the city requesting $100 per um fence per and per uh shed or is it

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just $100 per day? >> Just $100 per day for >> for the combined. All right. Thank you for clarifying that. >> All right. And any uh any contact from the homeowners at all? >> No. No, but he's he's here tonight. >> Oh, all right. Perfect. All right. Um

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well, then who's here to speak on this this evening? You are. Sir, if you could come up to the where it says public and there's a microphone. If you could say your name uh clearly so that and uh who you are and uh we'd love to hear what

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you have to say. >> My name is Joseph. >> I'm here with Gordon like for the fine that I have for the fans also for the shed. >> Okay. >> Yes. Uh I did receive the fine but uh I

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came back here and then I applied for it. I was approved and then also I have the permit but uh the reason why didn't they come back they told me that I have to put a new grass in front of the fence until I have to put a new grass if if I

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don't put the new grass in front of fence I'm still going to be disqualified so since it was cold I was waiting for the sman when it get hot to put a new side and for the fence so so I can reapply and then not reapply so I can do the final inspection

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That's why I was told by the officer. >> So, have you talked to officer Toby about this? That you have So, you're telling us that you have a permit? >> Yeah, I have a permit for the fence, but for the final one and then to do the final inspection and then because uh

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when they were doing the pool and then all the grass and foot of the fence was removed. So, it it shows like I'm not sure if they have the picture in front of the fence. it was uh completely like a uh what you call like the grass. So

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therefore in order for me and then to be qualified or for the final inspection and then you have to put the new grass in front of the fences to to do the final one. That's what I was told. >> Okay. So does that permit also include

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the shed as well? No, the shed uh I was asked they said that if the shed is not too high for the fence and then it shouldn't be a problem. But I did not apply for the permit for this one. That was my for the shed.

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So you advised that you may not you may not need to apply for um a sh >> No, I did not apply uh for the for the for the approval for the for the shed cuz I was told that not by the officer if he's not higher than the fence then it shouldn't be an issue. That's why I

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did not apply for it. >> Is it higher than the fence? >> Uh yes from outside and then you can see the shed that's a little bit higher. Yes ma'am. We need to apply for a permit then right? >> So then I'm going to follow up with the permit.

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>> Well, it seems to me that you you actually only um have half of the requirement that that were half the violation potentially taking being taken care of. >> Oh, this >> um you know I I mean do you have any

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documentation that proves the shed height falls within the the the guidelines for the for the the zoning requirements or >> uh the zoning requirement uh I did not follow it as fast that I've tried to respect uh as I was told not to be

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higher than the fence and then that was uh my thought tried to build like a small was I think it's 8 by 10 and then not to be a little bit higher than the fence but uh that was uh the issue that's coming in but if I if I know that

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I will be hiding the fence that I will be follow up with uh with the city and stuff like that. >> Right. When do you intend to sword? >> Say >> when do you intend to put down the grass? >> Uh I would say anytime well next weeks

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or two weeks whenever um you know the weathers get better. So we have a initial permit for the fence. >> We're waiting on the grass level for the fence, >> right? We and and in the permit

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requirements for final inspection, you have to get grass. >> Correct. >> To be final. >> Yes. >> For the fence. Well, no go. You have to apply for a permit. >> Yes. I have to do the final one. Uh I have to put the grass then go back and say, "Hey, the grass is here." Then come

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just to do the final inspection. That's what I was told. Just like when I was the finish the pool after that and then I called him and the guy came in and uh they do the final inspection and then there was a one of the door was a bit too high and then so I have to call

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him when he when I fix it and then then they do the final one he give me pass stuff >> that's the fence >> that's the fence >> the shed now you do have to apply for a permit >> yes I yes I will >> apply for that yes

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>> when will you when will you apply for I will do it tomorrow. I can come and apply for it tomorrow. >> See, our issue with this is when I was asking officer Toby if they were two individual violations, but they're all under the same code. So, you know,

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you're only in partial compliance for those that this uh coded violation. So, you know, the shed and the fence both have to be in compliance for this to go through us. So, >> however, he started one process. The

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process is what has well partially here for the f for the fence. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, if he's if he's going to go down there tomorrow and get it done, I don't not really sure why. You know, two weeks shouldn't be enough time to get a permit and then he can show it to officer Toby and there we go.

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I say 20 days. >> Was that we can >> Hey, listen. I'll entertain any motion that anybody puts before me. It's whether or not we vote on it and agree on it. >> How long does it generally take for final inspection? I I don't know the

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answer. When he requests an inspection, >> you're asking me? >> Yeah. >> We don't do inspections. That's the building department. How long like what is the re what is the response time from the city homeowner I'm asking is it like a week or even

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>> the response time from the city let's say you put down the grass >> how have you found the city to respond has it been a week or two weeks >> but they didn't give me exactly exact time or but the problem when that happened was somewhere was like a November or or December it was so cold

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there's no need just to put in new grass cuz it will not go So I'm thinking like a January, February when it's the the heat start coming up then that's why I was going to put like the new grass. But even though I don't put the grass still and then they will are still going to be

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disqualified cuz the foot of defense has to have grass the way that it was before. >> Member Schulz, I can I can tell you from my own personal experience if anytime I pull the permit and I go down there and I tell them I want an inspection, it's within a day or two. They respond pretty

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quickly. So, >> all right. Any other questions for the officer or Mr. Jose? No. >> No, sir. >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion. >> Yes. Member Fernandez. I move that in

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case number 2025-04382, the respondant be found in violation of code as cited as of January 22nd, 2026 and be given 30 days until May 16th, 20 26 to come into compliance or be fined

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$100 per day until found in compliance. >> Um, second. Yeah. >> All right. We have a motion on the floor made by member Fernandez, seconded by member Schultz, that in case number 2025-04382,

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that the respondent be found in violation of the code is cited and be given until May 16th, 2026 to come into compliance or be fined $100 a day for the violation for as long as it remains.

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Any discussion? No. Let's vote. All those in favor press yes. All those opposed no. It passes unanimously. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. Next.

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>> All right. Next case before us is 2026-00368. Officer Toby. Case number 2026-00368 109 109 Coina Key Drive on 21026

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in response to the homeowner calling this also did observe at the above mentioned address I'm sorry um violation 108-23 and violation 115-6.

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On the same day, a a violation notice was certified mailed to the property owner as identified in Orange County public records. The notice of violations of ordinance 108-23 and 108 115-3. The notice provided into 21526 to

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correct the violation on 22626. The property was reinspected and found not in compliance with the city. On 4626, the statement of hearing to this meeting was posted at the location posted at city hall and sent out certified delivery. As of today, as of

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today, the violation is still not in compliance. Is the city recommendation of 30 30 days to come in compliance or $200 per day? Officer Toby. Um, I have a couple questions.

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>> Yes, sir. >> Same question that I asked you before. It looks like you have 108-23 B, D, and G. >> Are those separate violations or are they all considered one? >> They're all considered one. It's um I

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have missing uh siding. I have uh the skirting around this the trailer and the steps leading up to the trailer all damaged. >> All right. >> And then 115-3 is for the debris all over the property. >> Okay. I needed you to clarify that one

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because in my mind I heard 115-6. >> I'm sorry. >> Wait, is it three or six? >> It's 115-3. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you for clarifying. And that uh $200 per day, is that per violation? >> Yes.

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All right. Any any any uh >> any contact with the homeowner? >> Yeah. The only contact I have with the homeowners when he called in to put in the complaint. So, it's a rental property, I'm assuming, and the homeowner called me to help me to go

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there to see all the the violations there. >> The homeowner called you and Oh, the homeowner call in the tenant. >> No, the homeowners called to put in the complaint. I was contacted by the homeowner. >> Okay. >> Himself. >> All right. Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion.

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>> Yes. Member Schultz. I move that in case number 2026, that's 0368, the respondent be found in violation of the code decided as of February 25th, 2026 and be given

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until May 16th, 2026 to come in compliance or be fined $200 per day per violation until found in compliance. >> I second. All right, we have a motion on the floor

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made by member Schultz, seconded by Vice Chair Lewis, that in case number 2026-0368, that the respondent be found in violation of the codes as cited and be given until

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May 16th, 2026 to come into compliance or be fined $200 per day per violation. until coming into compliance. Any discussion? >> All right, let's vote. All those in

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favor, press yes. All those opposed, press no. There we go. And it passes unanimously. All right. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I have a question. On one sheet I

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have 00532 and then here I have 531 which which is the accurate act actual case number. Maya >> 532. >> 532. Okay. The one on this one is 531.

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>> Okay. No worries. Just want to make sure we're talking about the right case here. All right. Next case before us is uh case number 2026-00532. Officer Laughler. >> Edward Laughler, City of AOE. Code

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enforcement case number 00532 is 476 Little Rock Street on February 25th, 2026 in response to a complaint regarding a junk vehicle, miscellaneous debris in the backyard. This officer did

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observe the backyard littered with miscellaneous junk, debris, trash, parts, tools, containers, and other miscellaneous items. A small box trailer was parked in a prohibited location and a prohibited manner and a wrecked junk

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vehicle. The wrecked junk vehicle was complied with and is not a part of this case. On the same date, a violation notice was posted at the location and sent certified service to the owner as identified by official records for

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violation of ordinances 115-3 A3 regarding the junk in the backyard and 6-4H62 regarding the parking of the trailer. The note is provided until March 12th, 2026 to remove the backyard junk and

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remove the trailer or screen the trailer from view front and side with a six-foot opaque fence and gate. The notice was signed received for proof of service. On March 13th, the location was reinspected. Although a lot of items were removed from the backyard, many other items

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remained along the side of the rear fence and the sideyard fence. and the trailer remains in violation as well. On April 2nd, 2026, a statement and notice to this hearing was posted and sent certified service

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and was signed received for proof of service. As of this date, the property remains in violation. The city's recommending a compliance time frame of 15 days or forfeit $200 per day per violation for every day not in

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compliance with the issued orders. And I might add, I've had a lot of contact with this homeowner during this and many, many other prior instances. >> Officer Laughler, could you repeat those uh the time and the fine again, please?

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>> Uh 15 days, $200 per day, >> and that is per violation, right? >> Correct. Officer Laughler, are these pictures from the com from the observed date? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. And it's just the two violations,

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right? >> That's correct. >> Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion. Members, >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion. >> Yes, member Whittle.

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>> I move that case number 2026 00532 um be found in violation of code and cited from I believe it's February 25th. that the respondent be found um

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um out of compliance um with sections 64H and 1153. The respondent be fined $200 per day and given 15 days to come

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in compliance. Was that per violation? >> Per violation. >> Second. >> Okay. We have a motion made on the by member whittle seconded by member

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Fernandez that in case number 2026-0000532 that the respondent be found in violation of the codes as cited and be given until May 1st 2026 to come into compliance or be fined $200 per day per

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violation until they come into compliance. Any discussion? No. All right, let's go ahead and vote. Those in favor, press yes. Those opposed, no. This passes unanimously.

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>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Okay. All right. The next case coming before us is case number 2026- 000741 and this is uh officer Katie.

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>> Yes sir. Good evening. >> Officer Pete Katy, code enforcement, bringing before you case number 202600741. On March 16th, 2026, while on patrol in the Hammocks neighborhood, I observed violation at 828 Hammocks Drive.

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Violation of COI ordinance 115-3, section A, subsections 2 and three, junk and debris. On the same date, the violation was posted at the address and mailed by via UPS return receipt requested to the owner as identified by the county

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records, Victoria J. Laney. The notice provided until March 31st, 2026 to correct the violation. The property was inspected on April 2nd and found to be non-compliant. On April 2nd, a statement of hearing notice to this hearing was posted in the

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city hall and sent out certified delivery. I've revisited the location on several dates, March 25th, March 30th, April 2nd, April 13th, and April 16th. As of this morning, the violations still

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remain. This evening, when I left work, I visited the location again. It it appeared as though there was some attempt made to correct the violation, but I believe it's too great to have been done in one day. The city

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recommends a fine in the amount of $150 per day and 30 days. All right, >> Officer Katie, has uh have they have they spoken to you about cleaning up? They have. >> I I have I I have actually spoken to Miscellaney several times. >> Okay.

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>> I believe uh it was the 2nd of April when I revisited the residence. Um I saw her. She was back in her car out of the driveway and I assisted with her because the car got stuck. So, myself and Officer Toby assisted her to move the

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vehicle. I explained that I I'm going to give her as much help as I can. I give her plenty of time. You know, I'm on your side. I just want you to become compliant. Um, it appears that she has attempted. She's also been ill. She had something wrong with her knee, something

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wrong with her arm. So, I extended even, you know, I've tried to work 100% with her. >> Okay. I I I understand that there's somebody here to speak this evening. >> Yes, Miss Laney's here herself. >> All right. Well, fantastic. Ma'am, >> can I can I just ask one question? >> Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

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>> Has this um individual is this a repeat offender? This home? >> I I'm new to code enforcement. This is my first uh attempt with Miscellaney. >> Okay. >> Okay. Miss Laney, if you would please

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step up to the microphone, say your name clearly, and then um let us know what you have to say. Those are really outofdate photographs. If I had known, he took some photographs today. And if I had known he wasn't going to show them, I would have taken

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more of my own photographs. >> Can for the record, can you state your name? And >> Victoria Laney. >> Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. >> Yeah. I don't know if I if you can uh show this on there or not, but the uh the the things that he was concerned

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about and he never that was what was so frustrating about this. I get a letter saying, "You have junk and debris in front of your house." And I look at it and I don't see any junk. I don't see any debris. I'm guessing I go, "Well, there are some leaves." So, I rake the

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leaves. I get uh extra bags from the hardware store to put more leaves in them. And uh you know, but otherwise that that's all usable furniture. And I think that um some history Oh, okay.

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Some history would be helpful. Um, a couple of years ago, um, I was cited for having furniture in front of the garage and they I came here and I had a letter from a physician and because a chiropractor in the neighborhood had

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made the complaint, I got a letter from a chiropractor, too, talking about how the furniture was an accommodation for my disability. I do have um currently on uh February uh 6th I was uh severely

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injured. I'm in physical therapy. I'm taking uh prescription medication which I couldn't take tonight because I couldn't take it and drive. It's not narcotics. Don't come break into my house. Um but it's I'm not supposed to drive while I'm using it. And so it this

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is a real challenge, you know, 15 days to to do that. But I I have done the best I can and I you know I cleaned it up and when he came today he he agreed that I had removed uh you know he said you have to get the leaves off your

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porch, you have to do this. You have to do that. All the things he's showing you are the the things he's showing you are gone. I mean I I almost killed myself. And that's one of the um you know frustrating things about this. I couldn't bring my disa my disabled tag

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in because I needed to leave it in my car. Anyway um once before this happened, um Teresa, was it Teresa Murphy? Anyway, we had we had a code enforcement officer and I

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came here and it was her last case before she returned to Colombia. she was done and working for Oko and was going to go home and I she talked about the front and the front was in compliance and then she showed pictures of the side and I had never even known that the side

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was a problem. It was like a surprise to me. And so, um, despite my testimony, I was given only 15 days to comply, which was the same as people who didn't even show up at the hearing were given 15

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days. And the items were there pending a garage sale. They had all been researched for their value. They were labeled. They were in bags pending the garage sale. And I um there was record heat over the next 15 days and I

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developed these terrible rashes. I was going to get a picture of the you know show you a picture of the rash but be happy that I did and I showed this one instead because it was horrible and I openly sobbed as I moved those items.

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And so, um, that it's just when you send a when you send a violation, it needs to say what the problem is. It just can't say junk and debris. It should have a picture, even a photograph showing what the problem is. If the photographs can

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be shown tonight, why can't they be included in the violation notice so that I know what to work on? You know, I I did the best I can trying to guess. I go, "Well, none of this is is this furniture isn't junk. This is things

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that the code enforcement board already said I could have there." And yes, there were more leaves. We had record uh breaking cold. And so there were there were more leaves than usual and more things to clean up in the yard. And so

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um I wish I had been given more information before this evening. And I I appreciate him. I mean, I was I spent several years on the uh police advisory board and he was working for the police then and he was always a good guy and um

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you know that he we even gave him an award. So um so I appreciate that. I'm just saying in general, you know, that this is something that anyone who receives a a violation notice should it should be it shouldn't be vague. You

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should know what to do. you shouldn't be guessing. And so um I um you know I I have it you know to me it's cleaned up. I mean you can well the photograph's gone now but it's cleaned up. I don't

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know what else I'm supposed to do. I really don't. It's you know when you look at it from I took the picture from the street and I don't see any junk and debris there. And he so, you know, if you want to tell me what you think is junk or debris, that would be helpful.

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But I I've worked I've almost killed myself. I mean, I'm wearing my back brace. You know, they the um I was recovering. And then they the doctor uh said, "What's going on? You know, you're you're re uh you know, you're

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regressing." And I go, "I got I got to rake the lawn. I got to get the leaves off the lawn." So anyway, he doesn't want to live in Okoi, the doctor. So it's it's not good for Oko, his

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reputation. So anyway, what what questions do you have, >> Miss Lenny? You you have about another 15 seconds. Is there anything else you want to add to this? >> No, >> I don't know what else. I mean, if you

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ask me questions, I'm glad to respond. >> I think the board is going to have a couple questions for Okay. >> So, >> legal >> and Mr. Chairman, we need to get Miss Laney's photographs uh into the record. So, I don't know if she's able to email them to the to the city clerk if if you

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could make arrangements to do that afterwards. We just want to make sure that we have a complete record that of your evidence. So, Miss Laney, if if you could um put up your current photos and and um

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Officer Katie, were you did you happen to go by today? >> I did. As a matter of fact, the photo that I just put up, I have uh two, three, four, five photos. >> Yeah. >> That I took when I saw you this

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afternoon when I left work about 4:30. Um, I could upload them, but I I don't know if I could. >> Well, I'd like to I don't think I've seen them yet. >> You were saying when I took these, >> but that I wasn't looking over your shoulder. I was trying to stay away from

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you because I was all sweaty. I was trying to This is the three refrigerators that are sitting next to the front door. That's the fourth refrigerator. Remember, we discussed those cat whatever you call those things, >> cat towers. And I I'm willing to put it on the curb, but not until

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address each other. >> If I put it on the curb before collection day, the HOA will get on. >> Too many people speaking. I'm sorry. >> Counselor. >> Yes. Uh they ought to be addressing the board and not each other. That would be the appropriate way. >> Yeah. >> Officer Katy, can you please show the

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photos you were just talking about on your phone there? It's You don't have to put on Yeah, that's fine. There. >> And whilst you are, can I get a clarification from legal? >> Okay. This is from the which would be the north side of the house, right hand side over to the south side. Just the

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front of the building. This is the front yard here. Oh, >> and that's as large as we can make this. >> Can you Oh, I can put your >> Can you put your phone sideways for us, please? >> Oh, yeah. That's >> I don't know if it'll >> I can't get

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>> Well, making it bigger bigger helped. So, can you please go over the items in this picture that we're looking at? Again, >> the broken pots. >> Okay. >> Pottery in the front on the right. As we scan across, we have

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open window. >> Keep scanning across. It kind of in this particular photo, this is from today. Uh, these are cat towers here, >> right? >> And they but wedge back into the back. My finger's not in the way.

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>> Refrigerators. One refrigerator. It's a two door. Is that am I correct in that? >> No. No, sir. >> Two refrigerators. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. That you have closed with bungee cord. On the side of the refrigerator, you see a vacuum and you have the cords

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to the refrigerators here. Again, the other side of the front door. Christmas tree. Refrigerate. Three refrigerators. I I don't know what that is. I thought it was another refrigerator. Um

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mats, floor mats on the bottom. Oh, there we go. Better picture. Floor mats. Uh some kind of a tub, collection tub. And again, another pottery with debris inside.

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>> And And this is along the side or the front of the house? >> Actually, right at the front door. Those were at the front door. In the front of the house. Now, I took that those were taken today. Well, in Miss Lane's presence at 4:30. >> Okay. >> May I um respond?

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>> Yeah. Um is there anything else? No, sir. You'd like to No, sir. >> All right, Miss Lane. Yeah, go ahead. Um yes, the um the pot with the what he's calling debris inside is a planter and the uh there's some shells and other things like that

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that are mulch around the plant that's in the pot and it's it is right um by the door. The tub, as I told him this afternoon when he came, is full of clothing that I'm donating to a clothing drive and um it's it's set to go. I

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thought someone was going to come pick it up or I can take it to the clothing drive, but it's the clothing drive is uh we're collecting the clothing already and so it's a very temporary thing just for you know probably be gone tomorrow

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or the next day. Um the I I didn't see any broken pot. There is an area where the um when the when we had the record cold, it killed some plants and so the plants were in pots. And so the pots are looking empty now, but I'm going to

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replant them as soon as I can. You know, I'm wearing the back brace when I can. I'm going to put new plants in them or put them someplace else. But um that's why the the pots were there. But I didn't I'm not aware of any broken pot. If he had pointed out the broken pot, I

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would know. But he didn't. And so, do you have any questions about anything else? >> Yes. Um, do does anybody else have >> I think there's a point of order by by member Schultz. >> So, we started off talking about two separate things. Furniture in front of the house and it's allowed by a medical

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exemption. >> Yes. >> So, that has been clarified. That is allowed by >> I guess you are are you asking a question of me as as city attorney whether >> something is what was Could you restate that please? the the homeowner stated that the So, we're going to deal with

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the furniture because it started off the furniture. Now, we're at debris, right? So, let's clarify the furniture, the chair and the table that's in front of the home because it started off that way and then it came to the um junk and debris. So the furniture that is at the garage is

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allowed or is permissible due to the homeowner having an impediment or >> so your your question is whether she can have furniture in her driveway >> driveway >> uh so that she can sit in it due to her disability.

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>> Correct. >> Um the law is that uh reasonable accommodations are made uh under the Americans with Disabilities Act for persons with disabilities. she's um shown herself to to have a disability and and I think most of us would agree

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with that. Um I don't know that you have the cart blanch though to put furniture wherever wherever you you can or wherever you want. Um if if you you know certainly people have furniture on their on their front porches. I mean that's

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just normal and and expected. So I I don't I don't recall where exactly the furniture was, but you know, you you know, you can't just have it anywhere. It has to be reasonable is would be my attempt to answer your question.

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>> So furniture, however, refrigerators plural would not be considered any sort of >> So this is where we get into the junk and debris. So, ma'am, when you were asking what is the junk and debris, this is what the officer was referring to,

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and the pictures show this. >> I know. I'm sorry. It's I'm really straining to hear you. And if we have another hearing in the future, I'll ask for uh hearing accommodations. Um, for some reason, I I can hear the men, but I have trouble sometimes hearing the women

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because you're a different uh range. And so, the refrigerators are are an accommodation. when I get home from the store, I can't necessarily take all the groceries inside. So, they're a a place where I can put them, you know, and have

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them b be cold so things won't spoil. And uh they're, you know, if you need me to get a doctor's note about that, too, I can. But they're uh not a health hazard. They're they're closed. They're little, you know, that no one could go

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inside them, you know, and they're there and they're they're hidden. He takes a picture of them. You'd have to go up to my door to see what he saw from the street. You saw my photograph of what you see from the street and you don't see them. So, um I don't think that I

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don't think it's fair to call a working refrigerator junk or debris. >> Uh Mr. Chairman, I have a question. >> Yes, >> Mr. Katie or code enforcement. Um, in

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general, it's it's clear that Miss Laney doesn't seem to understand exactly what the junk and debris in front of the garage and front door is. Is there a way for us to potentially, and I hate to maybe give you guys more work, but very

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clearly give her a list if there if she is found to be in violation so that one, she doesn't come back as a um >> as a repeat offender >> as a repeat offender and two she, you know, she has 30 days if from your recommendation um to come to compliance.

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>> I have here. So, it doesn't have to be now, but I'm Is that something that can happen? Just to make sure >> in in the actual um code, it states uh for safety and welfare, garbage refues, rubbish, junk, unusable furniture, refrigerators,

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stoves appliances trash debris dead diseased, and decaying, unsafe trees or limbs. Therefore, there's a list of items there. >> Okay. But what would be considered to a reasonable individual, the cat houses or

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the cat whatever they are, they're urinated on. They they draw bugs. To a reasonable individual, that's what that is. If a reasonable individual looks at some of the furniture that that's out there, they would realize this, you

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know it's I understand I do understand furniture is acceptable. She has um health issues and she stated to me she has the refrigerator in front so that if she has

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to get when she's working in the yard, if she has to get some medicine out of the refrigerator, I understand that. I understand that. But to what degree do you need four refrigerators for medicine and cat food and that that's >> Mr. Chairman? I have another question.

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>> May I respond? >> One second. I have another question. Um >> so and I lost my train of thought. >> Sorry. Take a minute. >> If someone else has a >> I I do I do have a question. Think for a second. Um,

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Melanie, uh, you've been before this board before, right? >> I I mentioned the first time when they did the thing. >> I believe it was you had two houses next to each other, something like that. >> I have I have my own house and the other house belongs to a trust that belongs to

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the family. >> Okay. And um and it wasn't that long ago you were before the board when we had to make a decision on on your prior issue. Um you know, you you made a a a comment about

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uh not knowing what the uh what is was considered junk. Well, you know, all you have to do is ask the officer and he would tell you what would be permissible or not. um you know we we we're I'm sure we're empathetic the fact that you know maybe

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one refrigerator that you know is in good you know standing maybe I don't know the board might think differently but um you know maybe but you know it can't be an accom we can't make an accommodation so that your neighbors u look at all that stuff I mean that's

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that's not good and the other follow-up question you mentioned something about uh the last time do you live in an HOA Yes. >> Okay. And your HOA doesn't have any complaints? >> They I've worked it out with them. This came from him. It wasn't a complaint

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from the HOA. >> Do you have any documentation that you whatever you worked out with them? >> No. >> I don't know what that Yeah. I don't know what you Why would that matter to you? You know, why would that matter to you? Well, it could have an impact

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either, you know, positively for you, but if you don't have anything to to back up your claim, then we just have to go. >> It's nothing I would expect as a question, but I would like to respond to some of your other comments. >> Okay, we'll give you a couple minutes to do that. Go ahead.

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>> Um, well, thank you. Yeah. Um, the the thing says unusable refrigerators, and if it if you think that's not what it says, then it's written ambiguously and needs to be corrected. These are usable refrigerators.

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And the um that he said that cats urinate on their cat tree. No, they climb down and they go in cat litter. I've never seen a cat urinate on a on a cat tree. Maybe it happens, but I told him today that I was willing to put the

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cat tree on the curb, but I can't do it until trash collection day or then I will get in trouble with the HOA. So, right now, it's behind a wall. It can't be seen from the street. The picture he took of it was because he came up onto my porch and took a picture of it uh

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there. And so, um that's the reason it's showing. I told him I was willing to to put it on the street. So, I don't know why he's making a deal out of that. And so, um, but cats don't, you know, I I've never seen anyone I don't think it's

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unsanitary, but it is broken and I'm willing to put it on the street. >> All right. Um, member Fernandez, you had another question >> and and I don't know if this is for attorney Geller um or not, but um so whoever wants to answer whether it's

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code enforcement or attorney Geller um Miss Laney has claimed um you know she has accommodation reasonable accommodation for her fridge. There's other contested items that you've mentioned, Miss Laney. Just for the board's education,

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like if we do give her 30 days as to the city's recommendation, um you know, would it would any contest any if she does contest anything, would it be after the 30 days? How long would it take from there? um if she does want

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to make a reasonable request for the fridge or whatever it may be. Um I'm just wondering how that works. I'm not sure I'm understanding the question. So So you're saying hypothetically if you were to give her 30 days to come into compliance.

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How then does that um interact with a request that you >> a reasonable accommodation? >> A reasonable accommodation. Again, when when you're interpreting this, you know, if it looks like rubbish and a nuisance and a and a bunch of litter, you can

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reach that conclusion. You know, the the ADA does not require you to throw out the municipal codes. You know, if if if there's something reasonable in here, you know, I I have a disability and I need to I need to have a chair here by my front porch, you know, that's reasonable. Um, but if you're just

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having a bunch of junky couches outside that are getting rained on and and and what have you, I I I don't know if if that was shown here, but um, you know, you have to use your common sense and in looking at this and, you know, is is it reasonable or not? You could you could

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kind of, you know, make that evaluation as you do the um uh it states in the code unusable furniture uh comma refrigerators, stoves and appliances. Um it it's not very clear to me that

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unusable is referring to the refrigerators necessarily. >> It may or may not. Uh that that is for you to interpret as the as the finders of fact here. If I could clear up my my question, I'm not I'm not arguing whether or not the fridge is or is not

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I'm not I I agree with the city's recommendation. I'm just wondering if she does contest it in any way. >> Is it does that happen after the 30 days? >> Well, she's contesting it now. >> No, I'm saying Well, what I'm saying is clearly she doesn't agree what is trash

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and what isn't according to officer Katie. >> That's that's her prerogative. You can issue an order. If she disagrees, she can uh she can uh file a petition for ridicers with with the uh Orange County Circuit Court. >> Okay, perfect. So that that's the that's your remedy. Um now now, of course,

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>> you know, you're not on on this first go around, you're you're going to give her compliance time. You're not going to be imposing fines. You'll come back, you'll have what's called a Massie hearing where where fines would be imposed if she does not come into compliance. Yeah. >> You know, and and that typically, you know, after after that second hearing is

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typically when when um you would find appeals. Although, you know, she would be able to appeal really any any order that that you would issue tonight if if you were to find her in violation. She's making certain allegations and and you know, you all can can agree or disagree with her and I just, you know, just

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advise you to use your common sense. >> The reason for the question is I I the city's recommendation is 30 days. I don't want to give 30 days and then there's however many days after of her just contesting it, whether it's with this, you know, circuit court or what

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what have you. I mean, I just it's it's clear that it's it's junk and debris. Um, >> yeah. May I say something after you're done? >> No, he's speaking right now. >> I just don't want to give 30 days and then there's another >> god knows how many months because I

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think this has been is an issue in the past. Um, >> thank you, Mr. Mr. >> Yeah. Can I say something? >> Yeah. Briefly. >> This is all usable furniture. I use it every day. It's furniture that was previously approved by another board. It's the same furniture. It hasn't

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changed. And so it is outdoor furniture. It's not a junky couch. It's all outdoor furniture. And you know, I'm willing to replace it, but not, you know, I it I don't understand why, having not even looked at it in person, you're calling

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it junk. And I'm not aware of anything there that's considered debris except the leaves. And I blew off the I blew off the driveway and, you know, got rake the leaves in the yard. And I've been doing that. I do that regularly pretty

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much every Tuesday. And when I when I've been disabled, I had someone come help. And so I I need a list of what you think is is really junk there. You know, there's there's nothing there that's unusable. There's no tree limbs.

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There's no, you know, collections of trash. It's >> We know what you're asking for. What >> I said, we understand what you're asking for. Okay. >> All right. Any other questions for the officer or

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Miss Lane? >> I'd like to make a motion, Mr. Chair. >> Member Fernandez, go ahead. I move that in case number 2026-00741, the respondent be found in violation of code as cited as of March 31st, 2026 and

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be given the 30 days as recommended to May 16th, 2026 to come into compliance or be fined $200 per day until found in compliance. >> I second. >> Okay. >> I have no idea what it's going to take

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to come into compliance. Well, >> we have a motion on the four floor floor made by member Fernandez, >> seconded by member Lewis and somebody else to my left and uh in that the in case number 2026-0000741

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that the respondent be found in violation of the code as cited and be given until May 16, 2026, which is 30 days to come into compliance or be fine $200 per pay for the violation until it comes into

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compliance. Any discussion? No. All those in favor press yes. All those opposed press no. Passed unanimously. All right. That is it for that case. That's uh that's all the cases that we

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have for this evening. Uh we move on to board comments. Member Whittle. Um, I just want to thank the code enforcement team for your diligence and hard work and continuous communication

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with u residents. So, thank you very much. >> Um, glad to have us back here. So, um, looking forward to helping the the city get better at this particular aspect of, you know, making it a better looking city for all. >> Okay. Member Schultz.

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>> I'm Sam. Welcome, Mr. Katie. And um thank you continuously. Thank you homeowners who showed up. That's what makes it a part of the process. >> Member Fernandez. >> No comments, sir. Thank you. Have a great night. >> Nothing over here. >> Attorney Geller.

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>> Nothing over here. Nice. >> Glad to have you here this evening. >> Nice to join you all. Thank you. >> Vice Chair Lewis. Any comments? >> No comments. >> Maya, any comments? >> No. Lieutenant, >> no comments. Officers,

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any comments? Perfect. Okay, we do have a couple housekeeping things that we have to take into consideration. Uh we have two board members, member Smalden and member Bickram, who have uh tendered their res resignations from this board.

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So we need to uh have a motion and vote on that. Um so anybody want to make a motion? >> What do you I'm not sure what you need a motion for because resignation is self-executing, isn't it? >> All right. I'm only doing what we did in the past. That was it. I unless they

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resign. If the city says no that we don't need to do it, then >> I don't I don't I don't think you need a I don't think you to move but to accept their resignation. I'm not sure I understand that they resigned. So, >> okay. Well, then we have two more board seats available. So, if anybody knows

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anybody who would like to have an actual seat on the board, uh we need two people to fill those chairs and we also have two um alternate positions. So, we literally have four chairs available for code enforcement. So, uh I'm putting

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that out there. If uh anybody knows anybody who would like to be on this wonderful board, let us let Maya know. Uh let the police department know. There's a lot of people they can let let the city know. Anybody that we got we got lots of people. So, um all right. Um

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okay. So, I guess I am the last one. Whoa. Didn't know I had that magical touch. Anyways, uh so my my comments um I'm very happy that the commissioners um voted in favor of keeping this board

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intact versus a a special magistrate. I know that there were some opinions uh floating around both ways and uh but uh at the end of the day um the board of our citizens is is what they ended up

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keeping intact. Um so I'm I'm very proud that our board is is still together. Um again would like to see a couple more members up here uh so it we don't run into any quorum issues again. Um,

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I think that's about it. Uh, Officer Katie, welcome officially. I see they gave you a blue shirt, so you're definitely on the team. So, all right. With that being said, meeting adjourned.