Good evening everyone. Um, so this meeting has been advertised in accordance with the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act and is publicly accessible in accordance to law. We have a roll call, please. >> Sure. >> Roco, >> present. >> Dr. George, >> here.
>> Sarah, Maria, I am here. Zab Gina >> here. Maddie Mayor Walker here. Uh Frank >> here,
>> Dr. Braen. Thank you. >> We will now have the salute to the flag. >> Please stand. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. So, our first order of business is uh executive session. Uh is that necessary for this time this meeting? Do we need to have >> We have a couple personnel that you want to
>> Yes. Exact for personnel and negotiations. >> Okay. So, can I have a motion to go into executive session for personnel and negotiations? >> So, move. >> I second. >> All in favor? I. >> And the recording is being stopped.
Okay, we're back. Uh let's uh move on to the minutes. Uh we can do A and B together. So, approval of the regular meeting minutes of October 8th, 2025 and the approval of the executive session minutes of October 8th, 2025. Can I get a motion? >> I'll make the motion.
>> I'll second. >> Okay. Any uh questions, any comments? >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George. >> I'm sorry. What did she say? I didn't hear her. >> No. >> No. >> No.
>> Okay. Um, Gina, >> yes. >> Mayor Walker, >> yes. >> Frank, >> abstain. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Moving on. Um, should we do one at a time, please, or should we
>> Yeah, these. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh, so we're going to go to personnel. We're going to do the approval of the job description for full-time facility facilities manager. Uh with Can I get a motion? >> I'll make the motion >> and a second.
>> I'll second. >> Okay. Discussion. Yeah. Um see if I can find I wasn't looking for this, but I did. Um, my email is set up for anything that
comes in is looking for, you know, any jobs for library jobs. So, what I'm going to read to you, this is one I just found, and it's from Salt Lake City, which is obviously a much bigger city than we are. They're advertising for a facilities
manager. Starting salary is 75,500 and it goes up to 102,000 whenever they do. But the difference is this really is a
a facilities manager which is someone who's highly required has a degree and a master in engineering. It's got a big system. I mean there's 11 libraries and so that's it. And uh whereas what we're titling as
this to me this position is really not what I would qualify as a manager of that given as you got other things on
here such as shoveling snow. >> We discussed that last time because I I brought that up. I brought that up, but I think we were just saying that that person would be a backup for something like that. They What I think what we're looking to do, and correct me if I'm wrong, is we're trying to take this out
of Dawn's hand and getting it to someone that's going to be able to do a facility manager is is it's just it's another name. I mean, you could use a property manager. You there's a lot of different names you can use. It just depends. But we discussed it. I said
it's not that we're asking the person to physically shovel the snow. It's to make sure the oversee that the the snow is shoveled properly. Um the only thing the difference that I saw in the original one to the one that we ended up getting was the preferred qualifications which
was not on the first one. That was the only difference. But we all discussed this and we were in agreement at least when we sent it out that we should move forward so that we can get this going so that this could be taken off of your hands and somebody else will do this. But I mean it it I think it depends what
state you're looking at what a facilities manager is. You can look in New York and a facilities manager is completely different than what we're looking for because in New York they're maybe doing 20 highrises um where they're they're involved from soups to nuts from dealing with the
unions and the HVAC systems and the boilers and all of that stuff. I think that the name I is it's just a label. I think what we need is we just need somebody that knows what they're doing and can take over dealing with the
contractors, the repairs on the building, overseeing the day-to-day operations of what this building needs so that it doesn't fall on Dawn who really shouldn't be doing this. >> Deb, what do you do with Town Hall? with as far as rep. >> You have somebody who's like a
facilities manager. >> No, we really have Casey. Casey is really our facilities. >> He's he's the do Casey's amazing. Yes. Everybody knows. >> He's the director of DPW, >> but he he's taken on a lot. He's the fix
it man. He any problem, you know, you could call Casey. He's here in two minutes. And uh >> and and we do avail ourselves. The municipality is very generous with us and I try to be extremely conscious of that and that's why because of the the volume we're doing with the number of
people here and with the the building and and all of those things going on, it really is our partner for DPW who's going to be able to handle making sure that we're always have three contractors estimates in and and all you know the
the bid process and all of that. The town helps us where they can, but there's a limit to how much they can do for us. >> Yeah. I mean, Casey has a lot on his plate as a big town and it's growing. I mean, we we've talked before about when
we get bids. We're always saying we would like to get three. Well, when when that's not your primary job, it's a it's hard to get three people, three contractors to want to bid on stuff. I'm dealing with it at my job on a you can't find I can't find three concrete
companies that are large enough to do certain jobs. This is a large facility and needs to have three bids, but it's hard to find someone that is capable of doing it. Just on the Shade Tree Commission, we can't find three contractors that want to plant trees.
>> Yeah. We wanted a railing put up at the courtroom to separate the public from the council. We couldn't get anybody to do it. We were going to do it in house, but we finally got someone to do it. >> Yeah. There's one company that I know that does cleansing works. They It's It's a dying trait. They don't They
don't do that anymore. >> So, it's hard. It's getting harder and harder. >> And it's also, you know, it's the signage and the safety. >> You know, we have regular days now where we're getting 800 people a day in here, making sure that, you know, that the chairs are laid out properly. you know,
right now I've got staff um who, you know, are are aren't exactly in the best of shape to be putting up all these shares. You know what I mean? That's not part of their job description to be setting up and breaking down rooms. And we want more people from the
public using these rooms. I want to open them up more. You know, we have a lot of HOAs right now. We just opened up to the American Cancer Society. They lost their home and now they want to make us their home. And this just requires someone to make sure that that everybody in this
building knows who's here, who belongs here, and and make sure that everything's set up the right way. >> Can I have a lot of >> I have a list? I have a list. >> You have an updated one? >> Um, pretty updated. >> Okay.
>> Mary has it, too. >> Joan, you had something? >> Yes. Do we still have the position of a custodian? Do we plan to keep that job also? >> Yeah, the part-time custodian was for me
because we do have hours. This way we can get people sometimes here for evenings and weekends and things like that. So, it was keeping the custodian and getting the facilities manager. That was the plan. >> Okay. when you know having been involved
for a long time with personnel I am aware of what job descriptions we have we do have a facilities manager job description we didn't ever resend that but it's there and then we have the custodian job description if you check
the responsibilities and the jobs they overlap so we have two cleaning people. I guess two shifts of cleaning, a custodian and a facilities manager.
Will that be the setup of this >> group? There's subcontracted cleaning services and we need some increased oversight of the effectiveness of that
service and that would be under the facility manager's job. Right now, I can't have the custodian managing the cleaners because the custodian doesn't manage anyone and they're here part-time.
>> Well, I think that again, these job descriptions are online as being active or at least approved and never changed. I think they have to be uh addressed before we adopt another one. Well, if
you're approving a new facilities manager position, it would supersede any existing. It's like a will. >> Yeah. >> And I did send it um to the union as well as the board to review. >> The whole board got it. Correct.
>> Yeah. Whole board got it. Union got it. >> Well, if anybody wants to compare it with the one that's in place just to see what we're changing, they're on our website. our current approved job descriptions.
>> Okay. Anyone any further discussion? >> The uh thing you made about having the ability sometimes to have enough people to set up chairs. >> Yeah. >> Um the big times that usually happens the biggest one we had was when we had
people here we had people m you name it from retirement. We in a room that's filled totally and they were outside in this room. >> Yeah. >> So, uh that's done. What time? Saturday 2:00.
>> So, we're expanding the music program beyond the Saturdays. So, um that was >> will that be in the evening or >> they're going to be at all different times in order to accommodate the the public. But this person when we have
very large programs, this person will be expected to be at those programs on those days. Old bridge day, the person will be here. >> And I was going to say, could we have uh another list of either college kids who
live in town or high school kids who are 18 or so? Uh and we get a pool of them. So if three can't make it, if you need more, they set it all up. And with volunteers, one of the things that we have to address, and this has been going on at the safety committee, we have to
have insurance for those people. And I don't believe they're currently insured. So, we have to address that. If we're going to, you know, if we're going to have kids coming in to lift things and and that kind of thing where they could get injured,
>> we have to take a look at that. And also if you're going to have volunteers setting up things that are be going to be used by the public then they are the library. >> Yeah. >> So you care needs to be taken. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> With that
>> you got to be careful. >> While it's paying for >> so you want to hire >> I would only as as needed which it's like a shaping job for a union. >> Yeah. consider per DMs for the custodial
staff. That's something to consider. >> Any other discussion? >> Okay, then we will go to a roll call. >> Um, sorry, Dr. George.
>> I'm sorry. I don't know what the vote is. It's hard to hear. It's to approve the job description, the new job description for the new full-time facilities manager position. >> Is there a motion? >> Yes. >> Absane.
>> I am a yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Mayor Walker, >> yes. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Um, Frank, I missed you. Sorry, Frank. >> I'm last. >> No, you shouldn't be last. Actually, I try to go in a water. No. No. Did you
say no? Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Everybody. >> That's everybody. >> Motion passes, please. Okay. So, uh, personnel B, approve the job posting of an additional part-time adult services
librarian. Can I get a motion? >> I'll make the motion. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Discussion. Okay. No discussion. We'll have a roll call. >> I am a yes. Uh Gina, >> yes. >> Um Mayor Walker,
>> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Uh Rocco, >> yes. >> Dr. George, >> yes. >> Thank you. and then uh approve the sidebar agreement with AFS CME local uh for the
2026 compensation with salary increase in the amount of 3%. Need a motion. >> I'll make a motion >> and a second. >> I'll second it. >> Okay, >> discussion. >> We'll say that this is a good thing if we can get this passed. So, roll call,
please. >> Gina, yes. Uh, Mayor Walker, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George, >> yes. >> And I am a yes. Thank you. >> And we will have personnel item D,
approval of out of title contractual stipen for Amy Trombetta for the period of November 26th through December 4th, 2025. >> Okay. Do we have a motion? >> Move it.
>> Okay. and a second. I'll second. >> Okay. Any discussion? >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Walker, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George, >> abstain.
>> And I am a yes. >> And Gina is a yes. And Mad. >> Oh, boy. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, we're going to move on to finance um action on the November 12th, 2025 bill listing in the amount of
$337,73. Did I get the right? Yes. And 42 cents. I should >> I have I have two quick things. There was a last minute increase $290 for PSEG because their billing cycle is a little bit off. They were threatening to cut
off our service. So, we will take care of that. Um, and then we will immediately afterward get our our other bills. Um, Irene's got everything under control. I do want to mention one other thing that the treasurer did have
question that we um discussed with the board president about um my re travel reimbursement and we went through those things with when my contract starts and what my limits are and we covered all of that to make sure that the treasurer and
the board president were in agreement that we could move ahead. >> Okay. So, uh, just to amend this, um, action on the November 12, 2025 bill listing in the amount of 337. I hope I have this right. 36342.
>> 33. >> The revised revised agenda already. >> Oh, okay. It does. I apologize. >> Is unnecessary. >> You don't understand the kind of pressure a social study supervisor.
All right. My apologies. So, >> since telephones are confused, nobody can do anything. >> True. >> All right. So, can I have a motion for that? >> I'll make the motion. >> Okay. And a second. >> I'll second it. >> All right. Any discussion? >> Yes. I don't have my list with me, but I
think it's the first item on here. U 500 tables. Uh somebody squeeze or whatever the toy was. Three things. I think it's the firstbody to look at
the worst. >> That's why ebooks are good. I guess um where am I? Here it is. Got it. This sorry >> this is this is what we sign we're supposed to be signing this
>> we don't do that anymore. >> Okay. It is the first item. >> Okay. >> And it covers two invoice. one is posted in the mail, but it talks about uh 1,000 >> Yes. >> webcam covers, 1,000 rubber ducks. >> Yes.
>> And 500 charging cables. >> Yes. >> Uh collectively, it's $4,700. >> Yes. >> Question is, how many of the charging cables to be given away? >> Yes. So, this is all in our promotions,
which was approved in our budget. Um, these are what we're doing is we're changing up the promotions. So, there was a time when we would order, everybody knows the insulated bag. Everybody in town had an insulated bag and we would order 5,000 of them and
they would last forever. That doesn't exactly um increase traffic into the library. We want to do what I call the McDonald's method where we have smaller groups of things that people are excited
to get so that they're coming into the library. It's just another way to try to increase foot traffic. So, we wanted to also try something. So, the webcam covers weren't that expensive. Um they're they're they cover your camera
on on your computer. We did want to do something a little more special. the charging cables. Those were a little more expensive, but there's something that is going to draw people in and they're going to say, "I want that." Um, so what we're doing is we have in that
promotions budget, we're keeping to that. Um, and like I said, that was approved in the budget, but we're doing it strategically. So, we're trying to order like three times a year our promotional materials. We're keeping um you know we're we're keeping track of it
and it's not we're not ordering by whim. We're we're targeting where that money is going. >> I know you're not ordering by whit but the question I have is for the cables. What are they CC? >> So this is Nope. This is what's great.
This is not one long cable. This is um I think I brought >> DA goes in and you got four. You've got four different uh uh different types of uh cables on there. Yeah. So, it really is you put the USB into the computer and then you've got all of these different
things. So, they're really handy. >> Yep. I know. I got about five. I didn't buy >> I can get them here. Yeah. >> Very good. >> Okay. Any other questions about the finance?
Okay. Uh, let's have a roll call, please. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George, >> yes. >> I am a Yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Mayor Walker, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, we're going to move on to new
business. We have two items. I think I'm going to um do this together. >> Oh, business. Oh, I'm sorry. Old business first. Uh, any old business that we need to be bringing up at this time? >> I just I don't know if it's appropriate here, but I think it is. The board had
asked me to find out if that we needed to replace the boilers, if it was better to replace the boilers than to have them repaired. And the resounding response from unit is no. They feel that we can
get any at a bare minimum two more years out of the boilers. the but one person said last week that he feels with proper maintenance we would get 10 more years out of them. >> So he then they everyone has said they're in very good shape. There was a
lot of maintenance that needs to be done proactively that wasn't being done. It was sort of waiting until things explode. And so there are back to what was proposed last month was the backflow preventors on the boilers
um that those three be repaired and that was about $6,000. Then they um did their first look at our whole system and on our rooftop units there's a repair that needs to be done to all of those. Again it's just to keep things in good order so that they don't
start shutting down. when he went in um one of the boilers was um seized up from summer. He went in and got everything going and there's a number of repairs mostly on the plumbing, not it's not the
the motors on the boilers or anything like that. It's plumbing around. So, there's um another estimate for $2,000. We're getting the bill now from summer when they came in and did the air balancing. They spent a lot of hours here and they fixed all of our no one no
one's complaining about the hot and the cold right now. So, um they fixed all of that. So, that's that's another invoice that we're going to be paying, but their recommendation is that we um do not do that. I also brought up the energy savings possibility and they said that
as they're new, they need to look at that over a longterm period. Um but you know they're saying you know it's not something where we're going to recoup the cost in two three years. It would be a longer term. Yeah. So we are looking at those things keeping an eye on it. I
think we're forming a good relationship and I'm hoping that we're just going to pass all of our inspections this year without any repairs and things being done. So that's that. >> Maybe you could get grant money that they could replace them
>> and and that's a lot of grants out there. A lot. >> A lot. >> Yeah. And and when it comes time for us to do that, we'll certainly take a look at that. Um it's interesting the energy savings program that was very big for a while with the lighting and with uh HVAC
units and things like that. They've gotten a little strange. When I looked up the programs, it said, "Use one of our contractors or suggest your own and get them to enroll as one of our providers." >> So, it was interesting, but I've certain
I've done those before and we'll certainly look to do that again. >> Okay. Any other old business that we have? >> Okay. Now, moving on to new business. Um, we're going to take both these look at them together. uh the draft of the
2026 board meeting schedule and the 2026 library holiday closure schedule. Can I get a motion for both A and B? >> Can I add a question in here? Sorry. >> Sure. >> Can we can we get a motion first? We have we have to do motion first. >> No worries. Sorry. >> Do a motion first.
>> I'll make the motion. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um I didn't want to make changes. I left this as it normally would be. Um I had discussed with the board president um at other times us making some other closings and this
is just a request of the board two items um that we would change on here. So if you look um when we do an early closing, one of them is at 5:00 p.m. One of them is at 2:00 p.m. and the other one is at 2 p.m. That gets confusing for the
public. Um, so I was hoping that we could just move all of our early closings to 2 pm and make them uniform across the board. So that means the day um before Thanksgiving, uh, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve
would all be 2:00 closings instead of having one at 5:00 p.m. It's a small adjustment, but like I said, I just think it leads to less confusion, scheduling issues, things like that. Um the second
um so that was that was one and then the second is this coming year July 4th is on a Saturday. So just a request I was hoping that we might be able to close on Sunday as well
and give staff a full weekend because I don't think we're going to see a lot of people um in Oldbridge coming in. They might be coming in from other libraries. It's not something that I would normally request every year. It was just this year because we're closed on Saturday
and the Sunday is an abbreviated day. So to me, it just made sense. >> And the board president was in favor of those two >> requests to make any adjustments to this. >> Do you care to revise your motion to be section B as revised?
>> Yes, section B as revised. Yes. >> Frank, you're good with seconding as revised. Which one is this? 2:00 5:00 to 2 and then closing Sunday after the Saturday. >> My observation on the people who are going at two I'm going to go to and if
they get realize it's at five at the other one they won't be late. So I don't know why that's such a big confusion. You wind up you're going to wind up closing for 3 hours >> earlier.
line. >> That's a half a pump day. >> That's right. >> When do the kids get out? >> They get out um the last the elementary students will be out at 1:30. >> Elementary trying to remember. I can't
remember. I know. >> They get out They get out at 3:20. They're talking about the day before Thanksgiving. >> Anyway, kids aren't shopping. George. >> No ma'am. >> Can I take all right? >> Yes.
>> Dr. George >> abstain. >> I am a Yes. Gina. >> Yes. >> Okay. Mayor Walker. >> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> And we got everybody. >> Yes, we did. Yes, we did. Thank you. >> All right. Director's report.
>> Uh, no. >> Oh, >> new item. I'm sorry. >> Do we have a new item? still under my apologies. >> Move along quickly. Sorry. >> We have about 8,000. >> How many?
>> 8,000. >> And uh the rest are single family, multif family homes that double family homes. One of the things that maybe to get a little more attention sooner for new people moving in at homes uh you can
get that information when a closing takes place. Usually you get from town hall. Now the department people obviously don't have a closing resour uh but the way you could get that information if it's allowed is when they register to vote for the first time.
that's something that can be given to us because you're going to have a lot more transient people and who may not even know the library exists. They they might, you know, and I what I suggest is that we put a uh like they
used to do 40, 50 years ago, you know, walk up to town and here's all the things we have, blah blah blah. So, um you have to talk to town hall and see what's legal. We do the rent stabilization chairperson is here and
the secretary is there. We do a rent row every year. We give a rent roll to the township. Okay. >> I kept wondering what we would do with it. >> Now you have something to do with it and and that's the business we want the business we want to get in this year is
um part of that budget where we're marketing is print mailings. And how are we going about that? And are do are we buying lists? Clearly, we're not. We're going to do that another way. But um what what are we sending? Are we sending
a card? You know, how how do we want to do it? So, we're going to be working. Absolutely. That's an excellent suggestion. And we're going to be working on that. We can we we can help you on with the rental. >> Yeah. >> As far as the legality goes, there's nothing wrong with that.
>> Okay. Fully accessible. Rosemary and I kept saying because we originally it was supposed to be made for to give to the building department to make sure that everyone that moved in their apartment got inspected. >> But but there's there's no there's no check and balance in that. So Rosemary
kept saying what the heck am I doing with all this? I mean because it's like eight years of paper. >> I mean I only have I have 480 apartments and one 180 at the other but I mean Glenwood has 1168 apartments. Parkwood
in London Terrace has 1,500. So, and there's more apartments coming in. >> Well, that's why that's what I'm saying. But the thing is this now the new apartment complexes don't have to give a rent roll. But I I do believe that it wouldn't be much more than just a phone
call to say, would you mind giving us a rent roll just for the purposes of weling them welcoming them them to the community? That that any a rent roll was literally pressing a button and getting it out. Yep. >> I remember years ago when I think at first when we Yeah. We get like these
newcomer packets and it had a list of, you know, things around town from the library. >> Yeah. I mean, something like that would be great. >> And and that's where, you know, one of the other things that I've asked staff to do is get out to the real estate agents because selling people on the
town's investment and cultural institutions gets people >> um in here. So, >> yeah. We also have the township magazine that we put out with all of the different services and the library is part of it. >> Yeah. There hasn't been a new one in a while. It's every two years.
>> It's kind of old. >> Yeah. >> Two years. The other thing that I would consider putting in that envelope particularly long is a list that probably also some other broadways have it all not commercial
things but every service that's related to the town where uh medical places are that kind of thing you know the fast >> yeah we we do that in my my property that's part of the welcome packet we tell them where all the hospitals are where the uh you know where the library
is where the whatever it is. >> Yes. So, part of the mayor's health and wellness council, what we're actually going to um kick off for January is bridge to wellness and it's about um it's about bringing all the resources to
our community, meeting the people where they're at. So, that's why going to the HOAs, we're going to actually kick off in January for townshipwide uh for the employees a big fair so they know what services we have here. And then we're going to look forward to moving it to
the HOAs, having an event here. We're partnering up with the YMCA, going to the different houses of of worship as part of that. This will definitely be part of the services, the information that we would be handing out. So that would be a conversation in about two
weeks with everybody involved that's partnering up with us. And you can come to that and we could talk about how and what role uh the library can play when we go out. It'll actually be almost like a traveling event that we're going to take to the people again, meeting them where they're at because we have a lot
of social services. People don't know how to to get the information, which is why having a social worker here is going to help enormously. >> You know, the HOA connection that we meet, >> you remember Mary started that HOA and they actually come >> come to the business.
>> Well, actually, we could just have a separate HOA connection meeting. We have all their emails >> and that's what I want to do. I want to reach out to them and start to schedule when they have their meetings and bring this event to them. So if you have a lot that are hosting it here would be ideal because then we can set it up here and have it all that literature.
>> We have their information. Okay. >> And I want to start to get out, you know, when we have these iconic events that that's a a great way to get information out. I've told staff also, you know, our football games, you know, would somebody let us put up a table, you know, a baseball practice. Let's,
you know, just getting out there. It's why we're we got that the Chilton's manuals that we now have for for car repair so that we can start to go to the car shows and get some people who may not be typical library users um and get
them in with some products you know if you don't want to read a book that's fine but you might want to you know fix that transmission um just making sure that we get everybody in there and that sorry it has prep for technicians
um those who are studying to become automotive technicians. It has the test prep in that database as well. So yeah, I'm excited about that. >> So we're having international day on Saturday. Yes. And you have a teacher. So are you going to bring >> Pam is so for international day. My
thought So you have Pam Pam coming and uh one of our very promising um her DMs. um she did um she was a temp for a maternity leave last year and uh they're both going to be there for that. So what
I wanted for international day was to promote pronunciator >> which is our language learning software and then um Canopy which has a lot of foreign films on it and then I think I think that you know they're going a
little wild with the concerts too. So, and I think everybody saw what's coming in my report with the the logos and things that we have designed. I'm so excited for what we're going to be doing this year. But, um, and I will need to that annual report, Frank. I'm going to
unfortunately need that one back. I'm going to make one change to that and then it'll be printed out and then we're going to be sending those, you know, to county officials. We're going to be sending them to uh, sorry, no, the um, >> the book. >> The book. >> Yes.
the annual report. It's good. You'll you'll all get copies when that's done. But not only will they go to the council, but these will also get sent out to the the county legislators. They'll get sent out to our state legisl anybody that we can um to all of our um
municipal partners. And this is 2024. It was a good um a practice run and we won't have to wait so long for 2025. And um this is Pam's role as the coordinator of strategy and communication. She's really done an outstanding job with
this. >> Appreciate it. And I'll follow up on that. >> One other suggestion you might want to consider. Now you list a number of holidays on your list. It's on the 2025 one 2026. I don't think it's changed,
but if you have some days that are listed, then you don't open um or close. Now, you get a list that says three or four places where um you're not celebrating the holiday, but you list it. If you
just don't put those on that list, you're going to probably have a lot less questions. >> I'm not sure I understand. >> All right. Um the holiday came from Texas finding out that the Civil War was over 37 days
later. >> Yes. >> And it was a it's not a holiday virtually anywhere celebrated simply at this part of the country. So if you take it off the list, it probably won't be questioned. >> Well, I I lost you. What What holiday
are you talking about? Which is the list? How much holiday? holiday I'm talking about Junth Junth >> that's celebrated where >> they came out of Texas >> okay that's a federal holiday >> it is but New Jersey recognizes it
different day that's why it's that's why New Jerseyy's in parenthesis there >> uh it is a national it is considered a national made a national holiday I believe in 2020 or 2021 >> so yeah that national probably.
>> Okay. Any other new business? >> Yeah, veterans. >> Okay. >> We're open on veterans. >> Well, the schools are open. >> Veterans. I don't know about that. >> I I'm a firm believer as a social
studies supervisor. I always defend the idea that we should have our students in school on Veterans Day. Any any veteran serving in the district should obviously have the day off if they so choose, but it's a day of learning and and it's that teachable moment that I think every student needs to have
>> and I will defend that to the end. >> There was a I remember there was a social studies teacher while my kids were in school and he took off and we we were all by Veterans Day. No, we have to go to school that day. Okay. Yeah, but his but
my son I mean there are learning opportunities even like we're going to be off but at least a few days before we need to discuss it the kids need to >> and and you know it's kind of funny that we at the beginning of the week I I did receive emails from some of the principles asking you know are this is
this is this going to be in their lesson plans are they going to be yes and you know we find we do different things um on Friday we're having a Veterans Day celebration for uh at salt school Um, we will ring everybody. I'm sure you're going to be there. >> I saw the naming. I thought that was
fabulous. I know. >> Uhoh. >> I might have to go is getting a phone call. >> Now, none of the kids know about memorial. >> There's no vets. >> Well, there is, you know, I I can say
it's a high school. Um, Mr. Lassen who helped put together the wall of honor. >> You know, he's he's going to be retiring, so someone's going to have to pick up the slack. But, um, >> he's always done Yeah. He's always done something at the high school. That's that's always been something that And I
believe uh Mr. Lengro at Samberg School does something there. >> Oh, Chris does. Yes. >> Yeah, he usually does something, too. >> How about Ilio Buzzante? He was a marine. Maybe he'll take it up. Oh, yeah. That's >> He's someone we were discussing. We we have we're still far away from making that decision.
>> I do. >> Yeah. >> But we're always looking we're always, you know, we're always taking those opportunities. We're trying whenever there's any kind of national holiday, things like that. But I always feel Veterans Day is that is that teachable moment that we should be talking about
that with our students and the importance of and you know, again, all the things that we all know. >> More veteran that's 94 anytime you want to have him over. >> I think I know who he is. >> Yes. be prepared to be there for a few >> after years
grand years ago we had the Tuskegee airman. I remember that. Um Donna Kler who was at the time she was uh an assistant superintendent. She managed to speak airman. >> Oh wow. >> What about kids? What do they do anything special on the day? Cuz my son was in that program but do they do anything special on our day?
>> I just think they assist any of the things that we do on those days like they'll be there Friday. Okay. um and any of the events that we do for Memorial Day veterans and things always they're always involved somehow because we always start off with pledge and you know the national anthem and all of that
stuff that we do. >> It's very hard to get veterans because most of them want to very elderly and the Vietnam veterans don't want anything to do with it. They don't want to talk about Yeah. They weren't treated well when they >> works one Vietnam veteran. >> Very hard to get them.
>> He was in the Navy. >> I love Dwayne. So do I. I wrote him yesterday. I called him my brother's favorite. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. My brother did the same thing that Oh, cool. 40 years. 40 years he was in the airport. My brother. >> Wow. Yeah.
>> Appreciate that. >> Okay. Anything else on new business? >> Well, for for what it's worth is they already have a third of the recruiting for the armed forces for 2026 already.
We were in charge for a while. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. So, director's report. Let's move on to that. And >> I have a pretty much a good news parade for everybody. So, um I'm hoping um that you're all up for that. Um I just wanted
to start off with what I included with our brand guidelines that we have. So, now we can start to have clear communication. This was sent to everyone just to show you. So what we had decided was not to have a marketing person on staff but to have consultants come in.
It saves us money and we can um you know switch it up and get some different influences. So we finally have this brand guideline with our fonts with making sure we're talking about the same thing and we're spelling it the same way. Part of this is for um this spring
for the town as well. the ADA compliance is um the standards are being elevated um >> what's that >> elevated higher than they are >> yes that's for websites for all of those things and that's for this spring and
your your website may already be there >> better talk to Amy tomorrow >> so when when you go through and I just want to show everyone when you look at something like this um the colors have to be able to be easily distinguished to
help people who are visually impaired. So, there's there's there's a lot going on. So, we wanted to make sure um that that were there. And I know that that's for all towns over 50,000 people um this year. So, we have that. And then, um I
think every Oh, that's the editorial style guide, brand guidelines. Did everybody see our logos? um for the concert series which we're expanding past Second Saturdays and that's going to be called Library Live
and I'm really excited for that because we want to celebrate music not just on second Saturdays. We want to be able to partner with Cultural Arts and do all of those things. So, I'm really excited. We finally have um we're going to be doing some Broadway with the Old Bridge um
theater group. They're going to be coming in to do some high school musical numbers, but we really want to make sure that we are seen as a place to to celebrate music and and arts. Um, the other thing that we did, you saw the idea farm logo. I'm so excited about
that. That includes our library of things, our maker space, and our learning kits. And all of those things um are going really well. Once our renovations are done and we have things like our robotics table, we're really
going to be able to um to participate more with our uh partners throughout the municipality. Um the big push that we are doing right now in addition to our our projects, I told everyone our renovations with the bathroom and with
the furniture, those are delayed until January. I am starting to do preparation for the next phases for furniture since we're seeing how long it takes. So this way when those are done, we're ready to roll into the the next ones. Um so what
we're doing in the meantime is actual library things. So we are prioritizing our AI instruction in the community. Um and we'll certainly partner with the schools. Rocco, I'll be asking if we can get you in to talk about parents and AI.
Yes. One evening here in the library. I know your schedule's so busy. >> Um, >> you got me. >> Um, we have, um, I've a lot of people are very uncertain about AI and libraries across the country are stepping into the role of guiding the
community. We have to. Nobody feels confident about AI because it's still evolving. Um, so we need to be there. So, I'm making sure that we have um three speakers coming in for the public, that we're going to start trying out some different people, that we're going to be talking to our seniors, we're
going to be talking to our parents, we're going to have weekend and evening programs. Um >> you're probably going to get a large attendance on that, I think. >> Oh, I think and so I was so excited. Sorry, my conference in Denver, I I do get a little too worked up about these
things. Um uh we have a person uh named Nick Tanzy who is the digital librarian, internet librarian and he spoke at the conference and he talked about um we're forming a task force. So amongst staff we have an AI task force that's going to
be meeting once a month or twice a month just to talk about AI and different aspects of it. The environmental impacts people want to know about have it have have we used chat GPT? How does it work? How does it look like people? We use Canva all the time for our promotions.
Now that's going to be heavily based um in AI, >> right? Social media December 16th is moving over to now all of your um information can be used for for them to develop AI. All of your information on
Facebook and Instagram and those kinds of things. So the task force is is uh put together. We have speakers selected. And for training day, I included our uh training day schedule just so everyone
can see. We have Jim Craner from the Galacia group who is going to be coming in to do a 2-hour talk about AI. And I would also like to invite all of our trustees um who would like to come and to be there. And I'm also going to
extend it to our partners in the municipality for anybody who wants to come and hear him. He's really um fabulous. He trained the AI ambassadors amongst libraries in the state of New Jersey. Um it is uh there is a
substantial fee at $750, but that's our training for the day, our formal training. The rest of it I'll do. So, I will be sending out invitations to everyone. That's on Friday, November 19th, and he'll be speaking from 10:00
to 12:00. He had an onboarding meeting with us. So, he doesn't just come in and and give you a turnkey. He comes in and wants to know where you're at and what you're doing and really fine-tunes the presentation. And then he made the
mistake of saying that he'll gladly support us after the training is over. think I won't. Okay, so um that's that's one that I'm very excited about. Um next is information literacy. So this is another one where we've been doing so
much. Um our first book kits are in the schools. We are going to if the elementaryaries don't go out because we have all those emerging literacy kits. We now we've been rearranging the library to make better use of some space and we are creating a teacher resource
area. So we know that our teachers are already doing it and this I have to say I have to thank the Oldbridge Education Association because they have prioritized this the teachers association. So they are going to be buying materials and things like that
for the library. They're going to be um funding some programs. I don't know if anybody saw the whale last year, giant inflatable whale that you can walk inside. They've already booked that for the summer. they're going to be helping us out with some other programs, but
they've said that they want to make better use of the library. So, one of the things that we're doing is we're going to be doing an information literacy um training. I don't know for how many people, but I think once we get
that program together and Rock will show you everything that we're doing and stay in touch throughout all of that. Um I have all of our librarians sitting down and going through the state training um for school librarians so that we're we're taking advantage of that. But um
yeah, getting the materials and all of those things together because we need to have information literacy training for the public. So, and when I talk about information literacy training, I'm talking about not just digital literacy, not just media literacy, not just
research skills, not just online behavior. We're talking about the whole thing. Um, it was really interesting to listen. Um, you're starting off with your kindergarteners and your first graders and your second graders and you're teaching them to ask questions.
As a teacher, how hard is it to get kids to formulate questions these days? and teaching them that they have to say, "Do I have a knowledge gap?" So, some of these things, um, and what's great is our staff, our more recent graduates,
um, just had all of this training in in graduate school. So, it's going to be a good thing. Um, next is freedom to read. So, all of you, um, I sent it in a few months ago in the director's report. This is New Jersey legislation that is
designed to make book challenges um a bit more regulated. Um we have an excellent collection management policy. If you all remember when we had the book challenges, it was super easy. We were able to get through those. The state
once things changed instead of me interpreting the policy, it's now going to be a committee. It has to be um we don't have to have everything ready until next December. Um but we're going to get started now. So the committee um
has to have at least one trustee on it. So if anybody wants to be on the book challenge committee to start to think about that. Um that committee will have some trainings which can all be done virtually and then the communication will happen when we have a book
challenge. So, I'm going through that policy now and we'll make sure that we've hit all the marks and then it'll go to the policy committee to go over all of the all of any changes that are there. AI and freedom to read collide
because we do have to change our collection management policy because libraries um people across the country are using AI to create challenges to books. So we have to go into our policy and say that we only accept human
generated um challen book challenges things like that. So all of those will get done and will be sent to the policy committee. I just like to do the leg work first before I hand that over. Um let's see the library moves the AI
things Frank to go back to um our emergency messaging. So the police department for legitimate reasons doesn't want to partner with us on emergency messaging. So um again Pam is looking into our
alternatives. There are libraries in the area. One uses Nixel which they said is very clunky. Um and we're going to look at something called Message B. But again our other our partner libraries have already done all the leg work for us.
So, um that's done. Um the our programming this year, we're signing finally starting to really have comfortable programming meetings. So, our theme for 2026 um for programming and our interaction with the public is going to be tell us
your story. And that's going to also align with the 250 year anniversary of >> the American Revolution. So, we're going to be um getting in that with some local history and things like that. Um, thank
you to Township IT for helping us with our battery backup. That's taken care of. Um, in the director's report, I listed
those emergency Blair horns that we have, >> um, which do pass inspection. I got an estimate for new strobes, just under $3,000. I recommend replacing. Um, if anybody wants to hear what they
currently sound like, I've compared them to sick ducks. I I did get that for you, but we're gonna, you know, I think it's a worthwhile investment to make sure that uh people are safe and then we can start we can get to having our um
fire drill. The PA system is repaired. I still need a microphone. Our old microphone is now not working with this system. So, making emergency announcements I can't do yet. But our recorded announcements at night are
finally finally taken care of. Okay. Um I don't know if anybody has seen we have gone viral recently in our social media posts. Very proud of our staff. We had a post that has over 1,600 likes. Um, so
we're and granted it's about the leftover water bottles, but we brought some happiness to people and raised awareness for the library, but we have started getting well over a hundred for Halloween posts, over 250 for our
collaboration with the food bank. So, um, we're getting those and we have a lot of interest. I want to tell everyone about um, one of our exciting programs coming up, which is a local author book fair. We're going to be doing that in
January. Um, as you may know, there are people because everybody has a a book in them and a lot of people are interested. So, what we're doing is we're starting off small, having 10 people, the first 10 people in Oldbridge, Oldbridge
residents only who sign up will be able to come in at the book fair, talk briefly about their process for writing and they're going to have tables set up so that they can talk to people in the community and um they're going to be able to sell their books on that day only.
>> Oh, nice. >> Only any other time. There's no commerce going on in here. But um we had >> the first 10 you said. >> Yes. And I think we have had we had eight applications but two of them were
not old bridge residents. So um then they could be in >> I'm sorry. What's that? >> They paid the $75 to be a member of the library. Could they get in for that? >> I mean we said residents so no.
>> But later on maybe but yeah I would say the same thing. the res. >> I've done this program at other libraries and it's worked out really well where we expanded it and we were able to include independent publishers and and things like that and we actually
ended up doing it twice a year. But for this first one, that's what we're going to >> ask you just your social media when you were saying your likes um are you referring to Facebook or you talking about all the platforms you use? >> Facebook. So, Facebook I find is more our generation and I don't think as many
of us go on there. So, I think if you had like um Pam and some of your other staff work on doing like maybe an Instagram or wherever the kids are on and start to generate posts through there, you'll get a lot of excitement because I think that's what the kids are on.
>> So, I think one of the what most of the kids are on is Tik Tok. >> Okay. >> And I've been extremely hesitant >> um with Tik Tok use. So this is one thing I absolutely understand advertising to kids. I also have
tremendous concerns about legitimizing use of social media for kids and encouraging them to get information that way. So we're working on finding balance. Um and we're going to make a real and put that on Instagram this uh
yeah Instagram this week and see how we're doing. I just want to make sure that we're being a little cautious. >> Right. I don't mean like advertising just whatever. I mean like advertising special events, right? >> Things that are happening in in the library that will be of interest to high
school students, juniors, because they're really those are the kids on it. >> As much as we don't want it, they're all on the social media platform. So, but being very diligent as to how we're presenting it, but making sure that it's being presented in a way where we're informing the youth of the community
what we have going on. >> Yeah. And like I said, I just want to be very careful because when we do that, we're saying that this is a valid use of your time, right, to be on here. >> So, we're we're we're getting there. Um,
absolutely, though. Um, so we have all right, the school kids going out, library moves. We just have so many things I want to share with you all the time that it's hard for me to remember. I don't want to miss anything. Okay. um
new um board member booklets. I don't think we've had board member handbooks in a while with all the policies and things like that. So, Linda has already started working on those since we have the new superintendent. And because some of our
other board members did not get those, we're just going to do them for everyone. So, in January, we're going to make sure that everybody gets a new handbook, especially with this Freedom to Read Act and new legislation coming up that's going to impact libraries. Um,
we want to make sure um one of the things that I put in that um the 2024 annual report is library funding is something that is uh frequent. It it's mystifying for a lot of people um
because it is the one-third mill. It's determined by the state um that all of that so all of that's explained. >> Yeah. People don't get that at all. They think we control the funding for the library. They they're writing me why are
they getting a raise? >> And and that's and that's you know that's exactly it that um it's that that one-third milk. So, um, I did put that in there so that people can see. It may not be a good idea or some people or
some people may be very bothered by the fact that I put it in there, but I think that the transparency and communication will hopefully um, serve us well. Um, and then just the last bit, I know that Chris was checking in on the QPA
situation that the board had asked with that and I know that we're waiting on a response. Yeah, I heard back from Ken, the township district attorney, this morning and Hannah is going to reach out to you when she gets back. >> Excellent. >> Um, so I don't want to miss anything,
but I think I think that's everything. >> Okay. Any questions about the record? >> Uh, you put it brought something to mine. um when we expanded
the passport operation by advertising Mama's County and we then went after Staten Island. Now a lot of people mom and dad live in Manalapin down here and we're open on weekends.
So can is there any way of determining how many applicants have applied for New York passports in the last few years? I would have to ask Felicia what data is collected and what they're allowed to share
um with privacy concerns. >> We could we could share our numbers. For instance, 50 people from Satan that's >> right. I'm saying I don't know that we're collecting >> but if you don't have it then >> we'd have to go through their applications. That's where my privacy issues are coming up. We haven't been
tracking that. We've um like I said, you'd have to go into their applications and I'm not sure about the legality >> that's and I had asked a number of times before to separate that from just fines. >> Um yes,
>> have it be more exact. And of course things have changed. We don't get papers. We can't combine the mail. We do a lot of things. >> Yeah, we have to make changes for January for our chart of accounts. and I mentioned some of them in the director's
report, but they are valid things. So, right now we're showing um the the passports, we're not showing what we're spending for passports. So, when you look at our budget, what we're spending
for the to mail those things is looks like it's coming out of our appropriation instead. And then it looks like everything from passports is um you know um extra money and it's not. So that has to get changed. We have other things
like all of our electronic resources are in one bucket right now. You can't tell what's um accounting software from what's a materials database from what's a research database um from what's you know a a software that we use to create
videos. So, we need to we need to put some granularity in there and I need to move some things around, but that'll be coming for the next budget. We certainly want to start in January with the new year. We want to make sure that we start
looking at things that way. And things are going to get a little more complicated because our big projects that we approved, meaning the bathroom renovation and the other renovation are going to be completed
in 2026, but we voted those projects in 2025. So the monies are going to be coming out of 2025 because that those funds have already been encumbered for 2025. So that's going to make life a little more
complicated for Irene um with what we're seeing because that's not going to be coming out of our 2026 budget. That's going to be build back to 2025 and those are substantial projects. >> All right. Okay. Okay. So, let's move on to uh committee reports. Um buildings
and grounds, there is nothing new to report. Finance, >> nothing. >> Okay. Uh outreach, marketing, >> we covered it. >> Yep. Uh personnel negotiations already covered. Um policy, you have some things
upcoming. So, probably meet probably be giving information early in the beginning of next year. >> Soon as I get those drafts, I'll get them to you. >> Great. And finally, technology. Okay. >> The only thing I do want to bring up is the um building on Marbor Road. So, I
reached out to everyone, but not everybody was available. So, I figured it was smarter to do it when we could all go or majority of us can go and then go see it. This way, I'll get the specs there. Um Matt's getting it for me from um I think you have to get Casey's
opinion on the building. >> Yeah, we'll have Casey come. Yeah, we'll have Casey. So, we want to make sure that everybody's there before we do I want to see what availability is. So, I was actually thinking if we could do it during the day >> and I know you wanted to come as well, right, to see. So, we would like to do
during the day cuz it's cold out now and it's dark early. Um, preferably is lunchtime better. If I could get a majority of time that works for everybody and figure out what's the best. >> Yeah, that would be that work for me. >> 12 on one.
>> Yeah. Either one. >> I'd like to give you a review of what happened when we went there previously. We don't need a review. We rule there previous. >> I I would love to. Yeah. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Um, it's it's an old building. It's a good size. It's a
decent size property, so you could have some a playground there if necessary. Um, the issue is you need to put an elevator in the building if you want to use the second floor because those stairs are old and
you wouldn't want kids going up and down those stairs. I don't think it would be a good idea. Uh it's large enough to in size to be it's got to be seven or 8,000 square ft close to >> good size building. And um
again the biggest straw that it would take would come out of six war six and potentially war five. However, um the suspicion is that
most of those people go to either mall, you know, Monroe or East Run. So, the question is even if you get that up and running, it'll be it'll not be the full main library. So, they still may continue to go to those two towns. So I
think one of the things you got to keep in mind is we haven't had a lot of vocal complaints or anything that I'm aware of and you know so I think we need to determine that first. >> Well we have to look also to see I mean if we're taking over a building it's not
going to be grandfathered and we're going to have to make it ADA. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's I think the main thing is we have to find out is the building salvageable >> because I've heard some things that's why I think Casey is very important that you be there. I think that's the first
>> case I think Casey was there. >> Yeah, we that's the first thing we need to be retrofitted is what you really need on something. They had told me the building was not in good shape but I don't know what it would cost to renovate. that they they
have to find out the property is a nice lot like you're saying. So even if it was something depending on what it would cost to maybe depending maybe have to take part of it down, rebuild it or knock it down and it may it may be worthwhile because the property is there
and township owns it and we haven't done anything >> and we could really utilize that for that area and I think that if we are able to build it I think it would be such a big population there. Yeah, I think you she had like a big event, you can have it there. >> I think it would be
>> But and and also that's you know if if it has a basement, you know what I mean? Putting books in putting so it's it's slack. >> It's it's it's it's a bad building. It's not great. I'm going to be very like falling apart basement.
>> The reason I'm saying is because the weight of books >> is very different construction with when you're dealing with that. What are the >> And then oh there there there have been libraries that were built and then collapsed >> when they put the books in because the
the weight like yourself. >> What's that? >> Did those books weigh as much as two flyer trucks? >> Probably. Probably. And then bookmobiles. Bookmobiles have to be built differently. They have to have different brakes because when you're trying to slow down with a van full of
books, it's it's a different item. So that's why Yeah. I want to see. But we do have the the data that I'm seeing now, which I'm still we're getting into. We're working making progress on statistics. Um, but it appears that over
four miles, the drop off in people going to the library is is precipitous. >> So that's where we can look at how far people people are out and how far they're willing to go. And then we have to look at what we want to do. We know
that our meeting rooms are are full when people a a lot of people are coming here. Our quiet area gets very full. People want a quiet place to go to study. So what is it we want? We don't want to duplicate this entire library
there. But is it do we want just Wi-Fi and workspace >> and and a book locker to pick up books? All right. Is it um going to be events where we do want an event space for people to come in? >> And I think because originally when um
Senator Henry at the time had mentioned that building he was saying for Municipal Alliance and Cultural Arts to take it over and when we were looking for a space that was the one. So then when we were looking for a space I said how about as a partner here. Um and he was like that's a fabulous idea. So,
personally, if you would do, we would do the books, the library, we can have maybe, you know, maybe mommy and me classes because I'm going to tell I live in that area. So many new construction. So much and so much more coming and they're all young families. So, you have a lot of young kids. I know right now
we're in a cycle where the school district is very low in comparison from when my kids were there. Now, you're going to see that trend go and we're going to start >> and what will we be talking? What would we be talking about in like in manning it like what would be
>> I think this is where the significant cost go >> these two >> yeah you would need a lot more than two how long are you planning on being open >> Lawrence Harbor there are three rotating part-time library assistants one
full-time librarian and it's very difficult when she takes off um you know there are times when she's off when she's out sick Um, you know, what's the square footage of that? It's >> tiny. We can't even have programs. We can't
even have programs. >> Or are you talking? >> No, I'm talking about we could do something by that area. I haven't heard anything about anything else. >> So, you could definitely do like a stage out there. We could tie up cultural arts there. Would be beautiful. working on.
We're trying to get our next year in town um affordable stays. I'm going to bring it. >> That would be great. You can rent it out to other towns, too. >> I'm pretty confident we're getting it. That's where we're going to go. You know, I think we need it. >> Yeah. >> Needed it a long time ago.
>> I know. We're going to get it. >> That's great. >> And just It's not announced yet. We're going to have holiday in the park on December 14th at the trail. It's going to be really fabulous. >> It's going to look pretty. >> It's going to be We have a lot of surprises. I can't tell you. Very
I didn't tell you the surprises though. >> We'll get you. >> Are we all getting the pass? >> Was that >> Are we getting the pass? Are we going to say anything to anybody else? >> I didn't tell you the surprises. >> This is >> All right. Any other comments?
>> Um I just want to add I'm excited tomorrow. I've been pushing the consortium that we're in. Stella never really took the place. Libraries have normally partnerships with all the other libraries in the area. Everybody helps each other out, shares experience,
resources, things like that. Um, the libraries of Middle Sex County have not met since I've been here. The Stella Consortium evolved into something different. Um, that really should only be about the catalog. Tomorrow is the
first time since I got here that we're having a meeting of just the directors of Middle Sex County and I'm very excited for that to get started again. >> Y that's it. >> Okay. Uh driven comes from the public.
>> No public presence. Okay. >> So what's the famous line with the word Stella? Yeah. >> Street. >> All right. Do I have a motion to >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> All right. Thank you very much. Good
night, everybody. >> Good night. >> Good night, Dr. George. Back team.