All right. Uh, so this meeting has been advertised in accordance with the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act and is publicly accessible in accordance with law. Roll call. >> Uh, Rocco, I have a question for you. Do I change him to just late when he comes in? >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, I'm going to mark him as a and then just make it L. >> Correct. >> Okay. Uh, Dr. George >> here. >> We can hear you nice and loud. >> Maria, >> see me? >> I am. I see you. Yeah. My I have been
sick for a month so my hearing is not as good as it should be but I'll try. >> I'm sorry to hear that. Maddie >> here. >> Mayor Walker. >> Frank Weber. >> I'm here. >> Dr. What is his name? Braen.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh stand to salute to the flag. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Okay. Um, can I make a motion to go into executive session? >> Yes, I second that motion. >> And I will pause the recording. >> Okay. And I am
>> all in favor. >> All in favor? >> I I'm letting uh Garrick in. >> Okay. >> Um Okay, we're back. >> We can do it. >> Okay. Um so, can I have an a motion to
approve the regular meeting minutes and the executive session minutes from the September board meeting? >> I'll make a motion. >> I can second. >> Okay. Sorry. Okay. >> Okay. >> Roco, >> uh, yes. >> Dr. George,
>> abstain. >> Uh, Sarah, >> yes. >> Um, I am a yes. Gina, >> I have to leave. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Maddie, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Yes.
>> Janice. Um, okay. I can I have a motion to accept the resignation of library assistant Ariana Janice? I'll make the motion. I'll >> second. >> Okay. Dr. George,
>> yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> I am a yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Maddie, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh, yes. >> Oh, sorry. I know your name is in the middle of my letters. You're still absent. Sorry.
>> I'm still here. I I got here. >> Oh my god. Sorry. >> No problems. And then simultaneously approving a motion please to approve the appointment of PDM library assistant Ariana Janice an hourly rate of $19. >> I'll make the motion.
>> I'll second. >> Roco, we'll start with you. Roco. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Dr. George. >> Yes. >> Sarah. >> Yes. >> I am a yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Maddie, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Moving to finance. Can I have a motion to take action on the October 8th bill listing in the amount of $230,58812? >> Motion motion. >> Second. >> Second it. >> Any discuss do we need discussion?
>> Yeah. Any discussion on the budget? >> The bill list on the bill list. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. >> Any discussion on the bill list thing? >> No. Okay. All right. We have a yes, Gina. Yes, >> Maddie. >> Yes, >> Frank. >> Yes, >> Roco.
>> Yes, >> Dr. George. >> Yes, >> Sarah. >> Yes. >> Okay, thank you. >> Okay. Um, and then a motion, please, to approve the draft 2025 budget. >> Make the motion. >> You want to make the motion? >> I'll second it.
>> Second. >> Any discussion here? Well, I um I obviously couldn't type on it even though I can see it well now. So, I took the most recent one and I
marked the ones that need to be reviewed and I can do that with >> May. I don't. >> No. >> Are you saying that you want to discuss them now at another time or approve the draft and discuss them in getting ready for 202?
>> Well, it's kind of academic since we're already here in September. I don't think it's going to kill us to do that first and then approve it next month. >> So, I'm sorry. You want to delay the budget until next month? >> The budget's not being delayed. It's being paid. We're paying those bills every night.
>> Yes, we are. How would you suggest that we get the increase accounted for without moving to the new um account limits? I don't I'm saying that >> okay >> they can be reviewed before the next meeting
>> if that's are you making a motion to table then >> right anyone want second motion to table any other discussion >> okay Gina yes Maddie Yes, Frank.
>> Am I voting to >> pass it? >> Okay. Roco. >> Yes. >> Dr. George. >> Well, I'm sorry. What did you say? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sarah, >> yes.
>> And I am a yes. Thank you. >> Um Okay. And then may I have a motion, please, to approve the transfer of $687,413 to capital fund from money market. I'll make the motion. I'll >> second. >> I'm sorry. Sarah, make the motion.
Maddie second. >> Okay, Maddie. >> Can Can we Can you explain? >> Yes. So, I don't think anyone will remember. So last March after we got to the end of the year, we had underst spent. A lot of that was due to the
underst staffing and other issues that we had. Um so what I would like to do with that money since we do have very significant capital projects coming up that will take us to over the million dollars that's currently in capital. So,
this just adds it to the capital fund um for us to get ready for the boilers are coming up, the rest of the renovation projects that we have coming up, the garden, the lighting, all of those things. Anything that's not funded
>> by our current appropriation, we would have the money essentially a savings account for the facility. So it remains with the town because it can't be used for um salaries. It can't be used for books. It's only for capital improvements to the facility library.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Any other discussion? >> Uh yeah, the uh money that we're finally getting 2 and a half% interest on is accumulating quite rapidly. So you
you're just moving it in paper to the account rather than being moved out of the savings account. >> Um you mean the interest on this money? >> Yeah. >> So yeah, it's it's just whatever's extra
while we have capital projects that would take us outside of our regular budget. My suggestion is to move them to the capital fund so that we have those monies available when we move from it. Right. >> Yes. Okay. Ready. Maddie, >> yes.
>> Frank, >> no. >> Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George, >> Maria, oh, Sarah, >> yes. >> Miami, yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Thank you. Okay.
Um, okay. Moving on to old business. And I have a motion to approve the bathroom renovation and the server closet construction um in the amount of $524,36.50. >> Discussion. Yeah. Yeah. >> I will make the motion. >> Discussion. >> We got a motion. Second.
>> All right. Discussion. Um, I I know we're talking about renovating the bathrooms, but have we discussed about you mentioned when I first came that you were having blow up issues with the with the plumbing, right? The bathrooms, and I don't Is this renovation going to
cover the plumbing issues that we had? Yes. And that was specifically discussed after you and I took a trip down there months ago. We went I went through that went through it with them explained you know that very specifically this had to be addressed in addition to the very obvious cosmetic right
>> concerns that we have and the change to make the the bathrooms now accommodate more current trends for families and things like that. >> Um so they went through all that and just to give everyone an overview. Um, and I heard from the architect this
morning who couldn't be here this evening, but he texted me this morning. Whatever we need tonight, I can text let him know. Um, so they started off this project we're trying well we're going through um our purchasing contracts which mean that we don't have to go out
to bid. We belonged to um already to ESCMJ which the town also belongs to. Um when this went through the architect wasn't happy with um the the proposal
that we got back. So without even discussing it they went through OEC um OEC which is the Mammoth Ocean Educational Services Commission and they were happier with that price and that proposal after reviewing it because this
is what we hired the architect to do. Um so they went through and their recommendation is the MOEFC and awarding to Magic Touch and this also so part of this just to explain the bathrooms are obviously one major issue and this is
the whole suite on that end of the building which would have to be closed for about a month but we'll have our other bathrooms and then we can do the others later. Um this is also for the server closet. So, what that does is it takes the executive assistant for
finances office, cuts a piece off for the server closet, but you can't just cut a piece off. It has to be the the HBAC has to be changed around. The cooling standards for a server closet are different than what they are currently for that room. So, this is all
of those pieces in one >> in in one. I put the two of them together. It's an odd pairing, but they were both things that needed to be done. >> Okay. Okay. Any other discussion? >> Yeah, I'm going to vote no because I've started to research. I don't think
there's some things that we're required to do uh by the state laws. U the way some of the council mentioned and what the role is of what when the township automatically can take money
from us. it's not being treated properly. So without going into great detail, that's why I'm >> good. Frank, >> no. >> Rocco, >> yes. >> Dr. George,
>> no. >> Sarah, yes. >> I am a yes. Gina, >> yes. Manny. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Then under old business, you have a new motion based upon earlier discussions. Motion to exclude library patron Orelio
Dominguez Vieiraa from all library property pursuant to the acceptable behavior policy for the period of October 20 October 9th, 2025 and pending resolution of criminal proceedings. >> Can you make a motion? Make a motion.
>> I'll second it. >> Gina seconds it. >> Roco >> discussion. >> Should we uh >> change his library card as well in the instrument? >> Question >> if he's going to access books remotely.
I don't think that offends your procedures, but that would be a decision for the board. >> That is a matter for also the consortium. uh if he is a Madawan member and has a Madawan card then he is still able to
access the consortium. um if he's not a card holder here, which I don't believe he checks. You know his address. >> I don't have the address. >> All right. 14,000 of the citizens in overage have matter addresses.
>> I'm address one does. >> That's why I asked for clarification on the address. >> Um but yeah, um as as I understand it, this person uses physical materials >> in in the the newspapers. We should probably leave that alone because we
don't want to >> take action on behalf of another agency that you have the right to do. So, let's leave it at access to property. >> Okay. >> Agreed. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> No. >> Okay. Roco, >> yes. >> Dr. George,
>> yes. >> Maria, uh Sarah, >> yes. Sorry, I keep doing that tonight. I am a yes. Gina, >> yes. >> Maddie, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh moving on to new business. >> So new business, I have two items for um
again facility projects that are not near bid threshold. So they don't technically require a vote from the board, but it's up to the board as to whether you want to vote. One is over 6,000 and one is over 10,000. So I can
present those now and >> you can if it's all right your permission I'll just tell you what they are and then you can make a decision about whether they require >> Yeah. So um our new
uh HBC contractor has already done a fantastic job of rectifying most of our air balancing issues and they will continue to do that. Um, I do not believe that we need to move forward
with um, all temperature controls for managing our medicine system because Unite came in and did that without and they did have more of an impact than they've had. So, just so you know before we get started, there's already a savings of 5,562
because we've not renewed that contract. Um, one boiler had already been identified by the previous contractor as needing a repair. Um, and it was around $2,000. I didn't move forward with them because if we were changing contractors,
I wanted someone else to take a look at that. Um, so they came in and they found that all three of our boilers require repairs. Um, one of the future capital projects that I mentioned, um, I didn't
somehow realize that two of our boilers, I believe, are original to the building, which puts them past their lifespan, which just, so I'm getting they're still functioning, but I'm getting estimates for them simply for capital planning. Um
this just to give you the detail field and we had failed state inspection for um Nope that's not the that's not that one. >> Um it was um it's 6
$6,823. and he's saying that all three of them, we knew that one of them had a leak with its um it's not air balancing the overflow valve. And he's saying that all three overflow valves need to be replaced on those boilers at that cost.
Since this is a new contractor, I just wanted to alert everyone I am of the mind to go ahead and approve this. We've already made a substantial savings and this gets us ready for our annual inspections with the repairs on those boilers. And then we'll have to make it. One of our boilers was replaced in I
think it was 2022, something like that. And the other two are it's either they're over 28 years or or whatever it is. >> Yeah. >> But it opened in 91. >> Yeah. >> The $6,823. That's for the three boilers.
>> Yes. All for repairs. The repair is not a new one. >> No. But now >> we're repairing >> the old boilers. That's what I was just going to say. >> I mean, what do we want to send money into a bad care instead of replace >> and my only my only question and this is
we can go ahead and I can ask them and I'll just go ahead with the repair to the one they there's a chance that they would not pass state inspection when that comes up and I have to say replacing boilers is going to be a substantive project.
>> Did we get estimates from your boilers? I requested that once he gave me this. Also, I'm looking into um PSEG has programs for businesses for energy savings. >> So, I want to make sure that we take a
look at that cuz I had rooftop units replaced at another library at a lower cost through that project. And um >> they tend to be more expensive than using a regular contractor just >> well and it's interesting they as they asked me if we had a contractor we
wanted to recommend to them to become one of their contractors. >> So the library is a resource place. It's it's um it's one of those things I would just anticipate it taking months for us
to even get permissions and and all the things for getting those replaced and that's going to put us in the middle of winter. And I didn't know if we wanted to just get through until at least spring with what we've got. >> Well, I think we should get bit just in the event that they go. Um, I've already
started the process because I'm going to tell you right now, first of all, parts are very limited to get. >> Um, the efficiency on those boilers have to be horrible. >> Horrible. >> So, we're not we're probably wasting more money than anything else >> on those. And I got boilers I have 24 boilers,
>> 23 boilers that I have to replace. And I've already told my boss, prepare yourself cuz they're 26 years old. >> Yeah. >> And it's very difficult to get parts for them. >> Yep. >> What's the range of a new one about it? Honestly, it literally depends on how well you take care of them.
>> That's really what it comes down to. You could have a boiler last you I have units, HVAC units over at Madison Arms that are 35 years old. They're not efficient, but they work. Yeah. Okay. I can I can't get parts for them anymore. So, when when somebody moves out, it's
that old. I have 188 units. I replaced 160 of them because it doesn't pay. I'm not going to be able to get the parts. And then I can't have a resident not happy. That's what cost about >> it if on an I'm going to say boilers
like the my boilers we spent probably back 20 some odd years ago to do 23 boilers they spent a million dollars 23 years ago. >> 23 years ago. And these are not big huge boilers
here. >> Ours is a big huge boiler. >> We only need three. Yeah. >> So, so just like that was just that's just the material that was that was >> come here when it's cold if they don't like >> we have to make sure it's a warming
center. This is really important. >> Absolutely. So that's why I'm bringing this to the board. That's why our capital plan's important. That's why having funds in the capital plan is important so that we don't have to go back to the town and say, "Oh, guess what? We need something more. We have we
can take care of things." So, my thought process on this, and no one has to agree with me, that's why I'm glad you're all here. Um, that I was hoping just to get through the winter um with these. We did another repair on another part, was
doing this to get through the winter and then obviously be working on, you know, this way. We've got 6 months to plan for the boiler replacement. Well, he should be able to get you prices like long to install,
>> but we can't just go ahead with those prices. I then and especially if we're over bid threshold, we have to go out to bid. Well, if we do one boiler at a time, so because now the way the boilers work here, like in my buildings, if one boiler goes down, I have two other
boilers. Like I have a high-rise in landing lane in New Brunswick and I have another one in the boy. I have five boilers in one building and then I have six in another. They work on one boiler reaches its temperature and then then kind of goes down and then the next one picks up. So you're ne So that's the
reason. Now it may take a little bit longer for the building to get warm because you're not working with let's say five or seven boilers, but you are still providing heat. >> It's a progression. >> So I'm not sure that that would work the same way here. >> Okay? >> Because one boiler is going to do the
meeting room. So, the way that this building is designed, we have our eight rooftop units. >> Okay? >> And then because we're all glass, they needed to do some things on the perimeters. So, the boilers only control the radiators. So, our HVAC units are
doing heating and cooling. >> This is only extra for the winter. >> So, in the meeting room, you'll see it's all baseboard around there to keep that room. The other ones are going to be in the children's area back over there. So,
how that's going to be at warming the supplement on the other side of the building in a room that size has me a bit concerned. >> Um neither here nor there. Like I said, it was my that that was my only thought was
getting through until we can get to spring cuz it's going to cost us 2,000. So, in reality, this is 4,000 to get the other two done. So that is an expense of 4,000 to make sure that we're getting through the winter which we can't ensure
but we're trying our best and then right now start on that because any project over 175 is over bid threshold and we've got to go out to bid. >> How long does the bid have to be? Is it 30 days or can it be long? It could be less 10 days, 15, right? Because I just
did one and I only had it like 10 days. >> So we can actually do it and get it in a window. >> Yeah. Or you could also get estimates through the architect and then >> go through one of the co-ops and you've had >> good luck going through and ESCJ, right?
>> That's that's a wonderful option and also gets you >> well higher up than having to go out to bid, >> but it's also going to cost us a lot more with the architect. >> Yes. >> So that >> Well, you know what though? Obviously,
this wasn't configured properly because that I mean you know that nature I mean you know in hindsight all glass >> right >> you know there's no insulation there but this is when I mean we have this money to do things like this right it's just sitting in this bank account doing
nothing >> great it's making interest but like this is important >> so I >> I I think we should try to get a bid as soon as possible I would like to see how much >> big bandaids So do I. And if they say we're not going
to be able to install until February, March, that's a different story. We approve. >> But you know, most of these bandaids, most of these big companies will, and this has happened in Old Bridge, not one of my buildings. You'll know about this. >> Um, Maple View had no heat.
>> They had a leak on their gas line. >> No heat, no hot water during Passover Easter. And there are companies there are companies out there are companies out there that come my company has used them with these big tractor trailers with supplement heat to provide heat for
people. God forbid these bigger companies do have that. So god forbid that happens, the company that we have should have that cap capability of doing that if for some reason the heat went down in this building. >> We we did that recently at one of the schools.
>> Yeah. >> There you go. But can we do it before the is it possible if we do a 10day bid to see by November board the board meeting? >> So I I just >> I'll be very very >> okay. So I also need everybody to remember that we've got the bathrooms now. That's got to be completely
controlled by me. Change management. Then we've got the other renovation coming which again I've got to find them a staff room move circulation. This isn't normal library director stuff. Right. So this is the facility. >> Yeah. And this is why so we have that the garden still looks like, you know
what I mean? We're we're in the middle and we'll get to all of those. I'm not trying to detract from doing it the right way because we want to because then we're going to have peace of mind. We're going to know what's coming rather than responding when things explode. So for for just for for me for right now,
um the the newer boiler at minimum needs the repair for the what is it >> the over? Yeah. Overflow. Thank you. So, the one that was put in 2022, we're not going to replace. So, that one we could go ahead with the repair on. >> Okay.
>> Okay. And then the other two you want me to hold off with repair until I can see how quickly we can get something moved through with the boilers. >> I have a question. >> Can we get the sear ratings on the existing air conditioned units?
>> You want to see the energy ratings on the existing units? >> Yeah. because I just replaced everything in my home which is about 30 years old. I had to put a new unit in it >> and um I think I'm not getting build for it.
It's so much higher in this year. >> Yeah. So given that we are a cooling center while we have the money maybe that's something we should also invest in >> invest in new HAC units also
>> if the SE rating is not nearly as effective as it should be and you have to figure it out >> well here's what I'm going to tell you it's not even much the SE rating the fact is that three on now what they were using there was there was R22 and now there's 410A
Now there is a different type of freon that has butane in it. So when you change the units you can't use that in these. So the cost of getting those freons are very costly. So it's not just a matter of the the rating on the on the
efficiency of it and the energy of it. It's the fact that what the cost is going to be to if there's a leak on one of your HVAC units to to refill. You can't refill it. You just can't use that on that. And you can't replace parts >> because they don't make those parts and
they're not going to make those parts anymore because they're not they're forcing you to buy new ones. >> So I I I'm going through at my house. My contractor couldn't go my because it's so hot. But he's going to do it mid November >> and it just it's just you can't now it's
you have to get there's fire certificates now that have to be because the freon has butane in it which is ridiculous. >> Wow. So, if I remember correctly, because the first thing I typically do is go over the HVAC units, the boilers on how I missed that. Anyway, um from my
understanding, the HAC units were all within lifespan, pretty well within lifespan, but I can ask unit to give me information and the recommendations. >> Do we know when when they were replaced? >> I do, but I don't have it right here with me. >> I mean, honestly, anything over 10 years
is just not even efficient anymore. >> I think they're up to 14 or 15. Okay, listen. If we're going to be replacing some, let's just check for you, right? So, in the summer. Yeah. >> The ones I put in are 14. >> Yeah. It's just the project. >> Ask a question.
>> Yes. >> What does does the owner of the building have any responsibility in providing heat? >> So, >> I I've I've given you my perspective before. I don't know if people want to hear it again. being the attorney that
>> she's asking >> tell me what the status quo is. >> So in in libraries in what has been since the beginning of my career the municipal appropriation it is the libraryies duty to expend that and
municipal appropriation. It is also the library's duty to take care of the facility as best as it can and only when there's something above and beyond that might have to go out for bond or something like that that they ask the municipality for. The reason why
capital funds exist by state law in libraries is so that we can take money and put it aside for these projects to care for the facility. So, we're supposed to take care of what we can without going back to the municipality
and asking them for additional funds. Our allocation is supposed to take care of that. But because we have one formula statewide for public libraries, it's not always a perfect fit. And some libraries are going to be underfunded and they have to go back to the municipalities. And some libraries are going to be able
to put money away in their capital funds. And that's how they get things done without seeking anything over the appropriation. >> And that's where that move that you did earlier tonight, finance city, is so important. And to answer your question, Dr. George,
>> yeah, the if you were letting your money lapse to surplus and get taken back by the town, then we would probably be chasing them to take care of the building despite there's being no agreement. But >> but with the money being moved into
capital funds for the capital improvement projects that are listed, this is something the library should be taking care of. It's it's almost common funding between the township and you because we are recapturing these monies instead of letting them lapse to the township. So
it is best done by the library. >> I don't have a problem in providing the funding. I just want to understand who owns a building. What's the difference between maintenance and redoing it? I mean, half a million
dollars isn't maintenance only for the bathrooms. There has to be something beyond that. But at any rate, what it looks like from here, you just put money in capital and then you can get anything approved you want there. There may be
things that are recommended to us as capital improvements that we don't think are worth it. We don't want that. All right. So, you may have the money there, but you still have to get approval for the capital project. >> Yes.
>> All right. So, at any rate, what what you're saying is >> that it is our responsibility to provide new boilers in the building. >> Yes. short short of a of something that would require a referendum, which we hope to never be the case. And given
your given your financial fitness, it's probably not going to be the case anytime soon. Yes, it's your responsibility to do this. And as far as involving the township and asking them to do these things without them getting the money back, it this is the much
better way to do it. And it certainly isn't what I wanted to do. I just wanted to meet with the township. so that they know what we're doing and the fact we're doing it out of the kindness of our heart but whatever >> not to to just
>> our duty though >> and the mayor sits on this board and I know she gets all the information so township is well aware >> and she has an alternative >> you have met with the mayor I mean you the may >> we have some we have a designate for the mayor here every
>> I'm aware of that >> well then township knows is the point >> well That's a quantum leap. But at any rate, thank you, Chris. >> And to to your point, yes, everything is subject to trustee votes. If you decided you didn't want new boilers, you don't
have to do it. Uh that that is checks and balances between director recommendations and board action. >> How long was the library closed during March 20th? We closed, I think. And how long did it last for? No.
anyone when >> when did we reopen that to really get going? >> It was it was late. >> Yeah. >> Over a year, a year and a half. >> Over a year. >> Yeah. It was a slow. >> All right. >> So, uh the union made a proposal when we
had to walk out of here and watch that uh they wanted to work from home and they could do work from home. Yet they were able to collect unemployment and they were getting more money from the federal government which exceeded their salaries at all levels.
So um I proposed and which was accepted that they get laid off and we started bringing people back when we move books out early. So right now our annual budget and this would include the payroll FICA disability
and medical insurance but we paid the medical insurance for the people who were covered. We paid that out of so we realized probably close to $2 million in savings that all went in from this fund. We also
had a very successful uh passport program that although they've taken some things away from us, not just from us, from everybody in the state, we do make money there as well. So those are the two things that generally drive
the biggest part of what we have in our bank. >> Okay. I feel I can feel like we're you feel like there's a lot on your plate. So, I just like we're also here to help you. So, I don't want you to feel like we're adding
all these projects, but I feel like you feel overwhelmed right now. So, I want to let you talk to us if you are feeling like I realize there's no facilities, there's a lot of facility stuff happening. So, like tell us how we can help you because I can feel from you that you're like this is just another
facility project now being my lap. >> Where are we with the facility bag? So my frustration is that we're not reducing the number of projects because it's taken so long to get each and every one of these projects done. They're stacking up. So this is great. We're moving forward with two of our huge
projects. This is great progress. Um but I think it is important to remember that each one of these has to be managed by me. So and and it's with the township and engineering and DPW. Everybody's great and helps us and and that's fantastic. Um
being understanding is one facility manager that's got to have a discussion with the personnel committee. Personnel committee in discussion with that would have to um have a job description approved. I've sent a draft. So that would have to be approved and then that would have to go to the full board and
then that would have to be um taken care of. >> Yeah. because there was some things on that job description that I felt should not be a facility managers because shoveling of the snow should be done by DPW >> and and this is only in case of emergency. If DPW hasn't been here, they
should be here. That's fant. What I was trying to prevent with that, just so you know, is somebody feeling like they're above that. >> I don't do those things. I spread salt when we need it. I do it at my >> and this is this because I'm not >> the only thing I was trying to do there was make sure that it wasn't outside of
someone's job description so that they could complain later on if we had an emergency. >> Well, you know what the right facility manager in my opinion make ensures that everything is being done to make sure that nobody falls off because a lawsuit depends and that falls
on that and that person that's Yeah. I mean, it's no different than the superintendent of a building that makes sure that when he walks into his building, it's not slippery because the students are going to fall. It's the same thing. So, a facility manager has to be that person that knows how to do that. And they should have some sort of
certifications. They should have an HVAC certification. They should just so that they know when they're talking to someone, you know, >> I may not be able to change a toilet, but I know what the process is. Yeah. So, you know, so the HVAC person when he's speaking to a contractor knows what
exactly is is the lingo for that. >> Sure. >> And that's what I've explained to people. You're not going to get somebody who, you know, is a plumber because they need to know if we had a person apply um for a different position who was a facility manager at a large university
library here in New Jersey. I got so excited, but we weren't at that point for me to even know if that's what I needed help with. But just to give you an example of some of these projects. So on Friday, um I'm I'm going to give you the the saga of the door at Lawrence Harbor. The
door closer is stripped. So we go through, our custodian takes a look at it. Nothing. DPW is helpful. So they go and take a look at it. They can't do it either. I then go get our locksmith to come out and look at it. He gives a
proposal. It's expensive. very expensive. So I reach out to Amboy Bank to find out if it's this expensive, do we replace the door? >> So I have to reach out to them to ask them, do you think this should, you know, do you care if we replace or fix?
I then get a response. This is your responsibility. Why are you asking us? And I understand a hell of a lot more expensive to replace the dog. And and this is so so that all I was doing was making sure that we were being conscious
of the building owners concerns. >> I can tell you I had to there was two doors in one of my buildings that every time one door closed the other do and >> the poor woman that lived above for 5 years it was going on. I was like really like you didn't think to call somebody.
>> It cost me $1,100 to fix both closers each. $1,100 for the closer. But guess what? Now there's no Now there's no noise. Nobody hears anything. My boss said to me, "That was expensive." I said, "Would you like to be the person living above the door?"
>> So got production on the rent. >> So our closer closing too fast, threatening to clip people when they're trying to come in. >> That's that's getting fixed now on Friday because I finally said I can't invest any more hours into this project. >> I use a company called Westwood. They're they're not cheap, but they're
fantastic. And if my job was to manage this facility, my hands would be full. It would be fine. And it but it's not. >> It's to make sure our programming is done, to make sure our core competence for core competence for our staff are done, our ducks are spelled properly. You know what I mean? That that's that's the library stuff. So, I'm not whining
and I know you're all considering. No, >> the only Yeah. The only other thing that is really hog tying us is the bid threshold. the bid threshold was raised across the state for the schools and for
the municipality. Somehow libraries were not included in that. That's fine, but using the municipality's QPA is a standard procedure here. We did it when I first got here, but then when we requested to go into it again, they said
that they would rather not do that without using the municipalities QPA. And there are two of them because that raises our bish bid threshold to over 55,000 at this point. So that means the garden project would be done. >> Yep. >> The lighting would be done.
>> Yep. >> So my thing is with that story of the door is that I, you know, I don't have the time to give it to get three estimates on a $1,000 repair when I would like to. Yeah,
>> but but I but if somebody else could do that and they had the proposals and preparing the packet for me and just saying here you go, then then that's a different item. So the the QPA from the municipality, if they say no, they say no, I'm sorry. I've thought about it. I
am not going to get that certification. It's a lot and I'm getting older. So that's just not being done. But if there was a way that we could do that, we would have I, you know, a big bulk of our projects done. >> And the other part of this is once we
get these projects done, I need to make sure that our institutional knowledge is not being lost. >> What did we do? Why did we do that? Why are we going through this? There needs to be a narrative that's preserved so that we're not guessing when did we
close and when did we open but we have that right at our fingertips and that's what's important. What's the next project? What 5 years from now we're going to have to have the I haven't even told you about the window seals, right? We need to get to the shades and the blinds dropping their weights down when
people are walking by. There's so much and we're we're getting there. We're making tremendous progress. So, was it the BA or the um CFO that said no? >> It was the attorney. The BA approached the attorney to ask. And this is why I'm
not trying to overturn what that person said, but maybe they're not familiar with it. >> Would it be worthwhile for you to reach out to Roselli? >> I can talk to Mark and Ken and see what they think. But >> maybe if he speaks to Ken, >> go around >> because this the state library and I
sent a link a while ago. >> It is very contract. >> Yes. Maybe if you speak to them, perhaps that will make a difference to try. >> Sure. >> There's no reason why we couldn't. It literally takes two seconds for them to do that. >> We've done it before. >> We'll work on it.
>> We've done it before and it worked out. >> We'll try to get that job ready for November. >> Yeah. And I we have a whole bunch of things with the personnel committee which I'll go over in the director's report of which we can >> and then we'll be ready for that. Now >> now one one other I wanted to mention
also um we >> when the building that's being I don't know when it's going to be finished when it's ever done at longer was a total of close to $8 million the library gave 1.8 8 million
to you get the whole second floor. >> So, and that came out of all that money you're saying during co basically. >> Yeah. And and I appreciate that, Frank. The savings is something that you can be proud of. It's something that I have to
work every day to make up for >> because we lost so much. The other libraries that stayed open and learned new ways to serve their communities are so far ahead of us now and we're catching up. >> What service were they doing? >> They when they were doing all of their
story times and the the curbside things they were doing we did some of that but there was a lot more done in other communities and that's why we're working very hard to get our numbers back to where they were and we're we're close. How do they do the uh
the sinks with the children? Different building. >> I I can I can go through if you want to report on how other libraries approached CO, but they did do any more of your >> All right, let's move on to the director's report. >> And sorry, before we get there, there's
this one other project that is a more substantial project. So on our list of IT projects getting through with the IT renovation which with this is the very last piece and we're done. >> Okay. >> So this is an evaluation of our Wi-Fi.
Our Wi-Fi system is older. They're over 10 years old for the access points and things like that. So we went through just to see about updating that before we end up with things breaking and falling apart. And our Wi-Fi is not fantastic. Um it was fantastic that we
did this because all of our access points are no longer getting updates. So they are all beyond their life cycle. So it is something that we need to address. The other thing is um the difference between what we're projecting out to the parking lot and what we're doing in
here. Understanding how that works was extremely important for it and I'll make sure that that's documented. So I asked our um IT manager to work with um the state library um and it's Charles Marquette to come up with a proposal.
So, to replace our access points, um 5-year contract on the software for all of them that is prepaid, um and the powering because how you power them is different is a total of $10,784.
Again, this isn't close to bid threshold, but because it's a substantive investment, I wanted to bring that up to all of you. There is some discussion of this would take us through the next five years where we would so a couple of things we would benefit. We're going to get better
coverage in here. We're going to get better speed and for the first time we're going to be able to track the number of Wi-Fi sessions. That's something that the state reports ask for that we can't currently get. So it would enable us to do that. So I'd like to go
through at this like I said and that's between 5 and 10 years that we can do that. And again, it doesn't require a vote for the bid, but if you want to do that, then that's up to the board. >> I think that makes sense. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. I think that's fully worth it. >> Yeah.
>> Anybody disagree? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Now, director, >> more expenses with buildings. The PA system repair, they came in on Monday. So, if you remember, um, we had a lot of discussion about
this. We decided to go through with the um repair, but instead of waiting to go through and rewiring all the speakers for the building, they were scheduled to come out. They came out, the power went because somebody drove through a light pole and we missed out on that window.
They are so backed up cuz there are so few companies that do this. They finally got out on Monday. in the time from when this estimate was given to now and I was there when he did it. The amp that's attached to the system has now
also not survived. >> So I asked them to get a proposal, this is the same company, out to us as quickly as possible. So, it is the new amp. And they've also suggested that part of why our system didn't do so well was because the units were laid on top
of each other and without temperature control. There was an issue that placed undue. The my my thing is at this point we've been for over two months without a PA system. Um, and this is now an additional $2,000,
but I would like to move forward with it and just get this done. Yes. >> When we get the meeting notice that library is going to close in 15 minutes. >> It's that system that's not working. We haven't had it for two months. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, this is an additional 2,000.
And then when we look at going digital, that's when we'll also look at the cameras. I'd like to look at our glare horns on our emergency system because they don't I don't see them getting anyone out of the building. They sound like sick ducks. Speaking of stand mine
to do >> all right. >> That was um All right. Those were those big ones. Um we had an issue we're looking into. I just don't ever want any of you to be blindsided. We had an issue where we had trouble with printing for a
weekend and that's a critical service. Many people rely on us and um Xerox is supposed to proactively monitor all of our machines and they weren't. So, we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen again. But I wanted you to be aware of that. >> I'm sorry. Is that printing free or what
do we charge? >> We do charge. >> What do we charge? >> How much? You don't know how much? >> I think it's like 15 cents a page. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The color is >> and and our um you know, having the best is really important so that people know
going to the library is a place to take care of. So, the fax machine has been working out tremendously. It actually gets a lot of use. Um, >> so that was a nice invest. >> It's so weird. I'm like, I hate that. I don't think I know how to do that
because >> I have to do it through my coffee. That's horrible. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah. >> Uh, it's also we do I need to get our fire drill on the schedule. Um, the folks from the from the fire department have been excellent. I just need to get it scheduled before the weather gets too
bad and our patrons will be very upset when they're asked to evacuate. >> Yeah. >> Um I want to make you aware of a massive problem that's going to impact libraries across the country. Um Baker and Taylor who has been our primary book provider
for eternity practically has gone under. >> Oh. Oh no. So this is impacting they had what is probably the bulk of libraries across the country and every library is
now scrambling for finding another solution. Um, the consortium has been putting forward. Amazon is apparently wanting to get into the library game, >> of course, >> and that's that's not something that uh
in in the consortium I have uh voiced my absolute lack of support for that. Um, we're already involved with some other book sellers. Um, but you may see we're putting signs up that if things aren't coming as quickly as we want, so that's going to impact our spending for this
year, too. So, what I'm asking our staff to do is to bulk up on our ebooks um and make sure that people can get access to an ebook or an e audio book even if the print ones aren't coming. So, we won't have any books, but we're going to put up signs and make sure that we have
public messaging about that. So, I also just want to thank all of our staff um because our collection management team that doing the the book processing and the acquisitions and all of that have done a tremendous amount. This impacts
our book selectors. Um our change in processes all have to be taken care of. Finance, the way that um Irene does our our our spending on our books is going to be changing. So, um, we're navigating that. Just to keep you all in the loop.
Um, I just wanted to apologize. I made an error under funding. Said the draft of the audit was included with the packet. That was wrong. That was last month. I actually take your reports, just so you know. And I start with last month's report and make sure that there's updates on everything before we go
ahead. Um, sorry. I just want to make sure I've hit everything. Oh, I wanted to get your opinion. Um, the Chilton's database. Anybody ever used Chilton's manuals or remember Chilton's manuals?
>> So, for anyone who's ever repaired your car, >> Chilton's manuals. You would go get the Chilton's manual and it would show you how to change your brake pads and how to do things. >> So, we just got rid of we're getting rid of the New York Times.com database
because it's very aggressive with its information. um mining the historical New York Times database that we have from another provider is fabulous and it's going to serve our students well. Um I was
looking at adding it is a $5,000 database. It's $5,500, but it gives you access to every Chilton's manual. And as we see supposedly um people driving or buying used cars is going up higher than ever, and people may be looking to save
some money. I'd like to try the Chilton's database just for a year because we would be serving a demographic that we don't normally get in. We're talking about people who like doing their own home car repair or adjustments or
>> Sounds like my husband and this person. >> Yeah. >> So, so he would be able to go on to the library's website. Everybody now can go search YouTube and see if you can find the right the right thing. I've done it, >> but it would I would prefer going to the
the authority in car repair, which is Chilton's. And we have the money here. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I just I wanted to hear you thought about taking a different term and reaching out the right way. >> Attract new members. I think it's crazy, right? Let's see.
>> That book would be a giant west for years we spent the week. >> You can see how many old cars the promotion's going to have. It's it's good for us to also get used to promoting it in a different way.
>> Kids might love that. Yeah, definitely. >> So that but then also like I said to get out there and reach those people. I just talked to staff today about going out to one of the sporting events and asking if we can have a table. >> The car show.
>> That's awesome. >> I think this would be a good idea. >> And Maline does the car show. >> Yeah. >> Just reaching out, trying something different and making sure we're accommodating every All right. So, we're going to do that and
I think I think we're done. I think I'm done. Um, except for one very cool thing that I think would be a nice way to end the night. So, last week I received a plant um for our staff and I just wanted to
read you a letter from like a community member. Um, I would like to express my deepest thanks for the invaluable support you extended to me during one of the most challenging periods of my life. Earlier this year, I faced an unexpected job loss that left me feeling uncertain and disheartened. In search of a quiet
place to focus and recoup, I turned to the Old Bridge Library. And what I found was far more than just a place to print resumes or use Wi-Fi. I found a space of calm, dignity, and genuine community support. Every visit, whether to print, research opportunities, or simply find
the quiet focus needed to apply for jobs day after day, was met with warmth and professionalism from your entire staff. There's a nice shout out for the town, too. There is, in addition, a deeply personal layer to the story. I am a 9/11 family member. One day while using study
room 12, which I requested simply because it was quiet, I looked up from my working and to my surprise saw the beautiful 9/11 memorial just outside the window. I felt as though my uncle was with me, offering strength just when I needed it most. From then on, I found
quiet comfort working in study room 12 or 9 with the memorial view. >> That's very nice. >> I'm thrilled to share that I secured a wonderful new position. As a token of my appreciation, please accept this lucky cake. >> That's very sweet. That's beautiful.
>> She's only left her first name. I don't think she wanted to be acknowledged, but I I just wanted you to see some of the things that we get every day, >> and I don't take it for granted, but you know, some I do get a little >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're great. What's next?
>> So, talking on community support, we talk about >> Oh, personnel. Thank you. That's what I forgot. >> Okay. >> Down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No worries. >> Um so we have um a couple of things that I I detailed. One was the facility
manager. We'll have that meeting and look at that description. Um >> I am what else? So the other part of this libraries, it's been a nationwide trend to have um a social worker at libraries. Not every library has one.
Um, Madawan recently added a part-time social worker and Piscatoaway has a social worker on staff. Um, I think that when a social worker comes on board, it's been a tremendous boon for the library. There's also an incredibly com
complex amount of liability policy, how this person's being directed, what is going to be the scope of what assistance and madam having someone is different than having a social worker for 70,000 people. So there are lots of considerations but
with under the direction of the trustees and the personnel committee I'll undertake um visiting those libraries talking to those directors learning about their experience getting salary together getting all those kinds of things but it may take a month or two before I can get all of that together
and I'll be asking Chris for his opinions as well because I don't you know I I know how to manage librarians um it's very different to um be managing uh a social worker. >> And if I could just speak on that really quick. So I work not only here in
Oldbridge full-time, I'm also uh an employee of Piscatoaway part-time. And I visited their library and I met with Heidi, their director on business for Piscataway, but as a board of director, it was nice also to see their perspective. And we did speak because I am community outreach in Piscataway. and
their a program supervisor as I do a lot of community outreach here for Oldbridge and I will tell you from our perspective well first of all from Heidi's perspective it has been extremely useful a lot of the patrons do go in because what happens is residents don't always
know where to go and as the letter just said um that resident was saying how this is a place to come and she was able to find that comfort and solitude to just be able to clear her head and refocus. So having a social worker here would be very instrumental in helping
our residents. >> There are so many times and you know Gina knows Dawn knows I spend hours I am not a social worker but I do spend a lot of time working with our residents on so many different avenues of housing,
employment, food funding, you name it. I partner up with our senior center because not always they don't always go into the senior center. I have people of all ages and again I'm not really a social worker. To have somebody here on the complex
facility would really benefit our our community. >> Is that what they would do like outreach kind of work? I mean >> so I I mean it depends on what kind of outreach, you know what I mean? We're we're talking about I need to see what the other ones are doing. So outreach for library use we do.
>> This would be someone going to offer assistance with social services. Right. >> Um and and that's I think if we were to offer it, I think the person would be busy enough just being here. I think people but that's you know it's sort of
like we have to decide what business are we in. >> So certainly uh assistance with housing >> which you did and which I want to just interject because I was um the recording secretary on section for section 8 when we reopened up the list. So when we
reopened the list, we made it available to the patrons to be able to come here. We actually made the start time a little later to um coordinate with the opening of the library and staff was able then to assist them online. So doing stuff like that really benefits so many
different organizations here. Unfortunately, section 8 right now is just dried up. But once it opens up again, there are so many different things with housing and affordable housing and food and then you know then they can always direct them to the food bank which would be then to send them to silver lining. So
>> you know it would depend on you know you can do the research obviously and see but you know I can give a lot of insight as to what kind of services we need that I really can't facilitate all the time. But now would that be would that be not only just part of the library that would be part of the
township as well because if that person is going to facilitate to the extent of what you're talking about that wouldn't just be for the library that might be a shared service >> that could be a shared service if the township's interested >> and then we'd have to define the
responsibility >> and and and that's that's the only thing the only thing I'm concerned about is the boundaries and who's doing what and and who's managing that person and you know who's able to prioritize what
they're doing. You know, I I was looking the other day and we have that niche academy. I don't know if you've ever seen it in the build list. It's nationwide. It's tutorials for librarians and I was looking for something else and I saw a tutorial that uh a library had prepared for their staff on veteran services
>> and I thought that you know that's really exceptional. So this is where seeing how this is structured not only here in Piscataway and Madawan but nationwide um how how libraries are doing this.
>> Okay. >> Interested to hear more. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because this building properties that are veterans preference, >> right? >> We're putting up another building. >> That's right. um and 150 units and it's going to be veterans preference and then
old bridge residents only. >> Um so that is something that we cuz right now they come to Roseberry >> everybody >> and then Roseberry calls me. >> Yes. >> So we could use the social work. We definitely need a social worker.
>> And and that's, you know, it's something I already started talking about with staff is it's like, would it be better to have them housed at the municipality? >> Would it be better to have them housed here? >> Here, I think here because it's a different dynamic. There's still I'm still there. I'm still in parks and
recreation and Kristen's still actually Kristen has a staff that's actually dedicated to it in silver lining. So I think between the three locations and then we can kind of define what the lines are >> would make it really easy because then I could do more than I could focus more on
housing where they can do more the the like affordable housing applications through the state and all that stuff. >> They can do more of that and we can really create a balance and really provide the well balanced services our residents really need. >> Yeah.
Um, and yeah, and then just one other thing I tucked in here just extra without it waiting until it's a big event. This is a statistics that Pam was pulling together for other things. So, she sent to all of you and it's it's just I think heartening. And this is
where if you look um we and our foot traffic for 2019 was 183,000 and we're back up to 150, but we're still not back up to where we were. That said, we also have an increased online presence.
>> Um, but you can look at um, this is also really interesting. Our notary program, we have fewer appointments than we had last year, but we are doing substantially more notaries. And I think that's because we changed our policy to
say it's a limited notary policy. So now parents know the sign off for the schools in kindergarten. We do >> they all come to me cuz I'm a notary. >> Okay. and and they're all coming to my office, >> right? and and all of like you know the adoption papers we don't you know things
that we don't do but the increase has has been pretty dramatic and when you look at the >> yeah mandates >> the rest of our statistics are are going up coming in and we'll just provide you with these um unless something
specific's been requested um we will be asking uh or we'll just be bringing these to you every now and then just to see uh and and Frank I don't know if you saw in the director's report um your request that we have an emergency
alert phone system like the police have to send out. We're looking into it so that people can sign up when there's an emergency library closing. >> That's a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I have I have a quick question. >> I wasn't here to listen because I thought I'd had to work with it. Um
I got some phone calls from parents um about this flyer. The newsletter. >> The newsletter. Um, this struck me. Banned books. Who banned the books? And I because I I was sent to
I was What is this one? Oh my god. I I wasn't you. I don't know. But what does that ban books mean? That those books that are receiving the most challenges across the country in any given year. So this is for the American Library
Association. If you look on there, if you look at every library throughout the state, everyone's celebrating band books week. >> Okay? >> So everything from Walt Whittmann to Judy Bloom, there have been times when people questioned whether it was appropriate for anyone for Walt Whitman
lost his job by publishing Leaves of Grass. So all of those things, it's a celebration of intellectual freedom. And this is where we do have that clear line that we have materials for everyone at the public library. When you had a
school library, that's when you have materials that are picked out by guidelines by to support the curriculum by particular parents. You are going to find books here that at times have been challenged for their appropriateness. And it's a point of
pride for public libraries that we celebrate diverse points of views and that everyone should see themselves represented in the library. Are there guidelines for our books here? >> There we have a collection development policy. Okay. >> Um and there's a process if somebody
wants something removed, but that's precisely it. What is appropriate to one parent is not going to be appropriate to another parent. And we don't do what every we don't go through and any book that anybody objects to we get rid of. There are people who don't want to see
Heather has two mommies on the shelf. That's exactly the question. I had parents come to me um that said to me that they that that they feel that they should have the ability to explain to their child before they come into the library what those books are. And it just happened the person that was saying
is that they have it in their family, but they just felt that it is it's in the children's section and it's in that circle where the child first walks in and it's there. And I said, "By all means, I want to know what you what you're experiencing when you go into the library. I want to know. I don't want
you to feel uncomfortable. I don't want your child to feel uncomfortable. So tell me, does that have to be out there?" I said, "Do you have a problem?" I don't have a problem. I just don't want my child to pick it up and then I'm not able to explain the way I would like to explain it to my child. So this is
one problem we had was with a parent. Someone went we have a parenting collection which is not there for the kids. >> So in the parenting collection someone had gone and picked up which can be very sensitive topics and someone picked it up and put it on a a cart to go back on
the shelf. It wasn't in a display. It wasn't out there. Somebody could go pick up the Kama Sutra and go drop it in the children's area. I can't control every book that's there at all times and what they're going to see. So, we do want to be respectful of parents in those
situations and with those things. But then we also have parents who feel very uncomfortable at not being able to come in and ask those questions because someone else is telling them that they're not appropriate. So we the point of the library of a
public library is that we're representing everyone and we are taking measures to make sure that people are comfortable. Are we going to go through and take any book that has Muslim characters in it out of there? No, we're not. Um and we can't I mean not
remaining a public library. So we had one other person who um so we have a process for people to request that books not be there and when the person one person last I spoke to was upset I asked them to go through that that process and
I got a lot of remarks that I won't repeat here from that person so and it was made into a very big dramatic thing um instead of us going through the process where I can understand what the problem is and how we can address it. One that we did address,
we have biographies and there's been a trend to make biographies into picture books because our fourth, fifth, and sixth graders still really like a picture book. They're just afraid to sell. >> I still do. Yeah. >> So, this is where we have some more
mature topics in some of those biographies. So, when a parent came through, it was in the easy reader section. didn't belong in the easy reader section. I took that book and it was um a biography about um a transgender
person and I simply told staff that we put it in biographies cuz that's where it goes. >> That's not an easy reader. That's not hop on pop, >> right? So I'm conscious of making sure that we have spaces for where to put
things. And the only problem is I can't control if someone takes a book from one end of the library, deposits it in another or one collection and puts it over here and your child sees it. We also have I think what might be the most
conservative um unattended child policy maybe in the state with kids not being allowed in this building until there is it 12 or 14? I don't even remember. >> It was 12. Yeah. 12. They're not even allowed to be in this building without
supervision >> until they're 12 years old. So, like I said, I understand, but you know, there is going to be a book display for Pride Month. It's what public libraries do.
And I understand if if people don't want to see that, we have things in place for them. you know, they can go online and request their books on hold and go pick them up at the desk. So, if they don't want them walking through, you know, the supermarket of library titles, they can
request those and and go there. Um, so we're working on it and we're open to suggestions, but a lot of people, the line that's coming out now is if you can get the book, then how can you call it banned? We're talking about books that have been challenged. >> Okay. I I I think I think what happened
was and Rosemary and I discussed this yesterday. We were at a different meeting. I I think what happened was they saw banned books and the first thing my husband said, "Well, who banned them?" I was like, "I don't know. That's a good question." I said, "I don't think OP banned them. That would be fun to
say." I said, "I don't know." And then I had two parents this morning >> who live at two different my properties cuz they know I'm on the board and they said, >> "What's this band books?" I said, They don't understand. >> They don't understand that question. It's really about question and it's the
part of the campaign to make people aware that this is a genuine concern. There are groups of people together um in in other states who gleefully get together to fill out postcards where they haven't even looked at the book. They get a a sheet and they sit
there and fill out these objections to books. There's a public library in um Virginia that's now no longer a public library in Virginia. They've lost their funding um because of all of this back and forth with with the titles. And this is something that I'm I'm glad you
brought up because these challenges and concerns are going to be um increasing in their volume in in the coming days. So we we are prepared and we did we went through a book challenge here with zero
problem. So um it we went through we read the policy um they had an opportunity they came to a meeting they spoke they you know went and found some books that are particularly controversial read passages and did those things and we went through it and
we we try to make sure that everyone can be heard and everyone can see themselves in the collection. But we want to be conscious that it's it's sort of an obligation to every public library to stand up to censorship. >> So these are just books that would challenge. >> Yes.
>> Okay. And where the >> they've been banned they've been banned in other places. >> Yeah. So Shell Silverstein's where the sidewalk ends. Someone found that to be a problem. >> There's interpretation on everything >> on everything. It's in my book taste.
How would we have grown up without >> a bigger activity though telephones and computers that kids are >> Yeah. Exactly. >> And and I will tell you I was unsupervised at 10 and I walked in and and borrowed very inappropriate adult
books from a public library. I'm okay. >> I but I'm saying, you know, they're books that >> that they're books that, you know, I was allowed to take out. You know, um I wasn't allowed. There was somebody who wasn't paying attention. I'm just going to leave it at that.
>> Um, but therapy is good. Um, but but you know, these were adult books that I read and >> you know, kids are going to walk down the street and see >> it's just like turning the channel and like oops, you know, >> you know, you ask any educator and it's
we're we're not concerned about them reading. If they're reading a book, it would be like amazing. We're more >> We're more Exactly. We're more concerned about what's on Tik Tok. >> You know that to us to us worrying about what's being you know >> what they're hearing on Tik Tok
parameters on the computer when the kid can't get on it. Why are there not parameters on the book? And he said that's a valid >> public libraries don't have parameters on the computers either. >> That's what happens when you go to white house.com and not white house.org.
>> Well, and and this this is this is this is a very big discussion that happened in my my Mrs. Thomas Sheep used to be my son's computer teacher and they were talking about the White House and the kids went on white house.com.
>> Well, that's what happened. >> And what she saw was like, "Oh my god." And that was it. And and she was she's >> completely a blocky software. That's very And that's what happened. So, but it it you know, until you did that, you didn't
know. And so they found out and they had to do you know they have to have some sort of blocks. You have to have some sort of love >> and those kids just so you know. >> No, I know. But you have to do something. >> Well, the orders of the hidding nuns in the Catholic schools went to
>> we didn't have any right. Moving on. Committee reports, building and grounds. >> Everything has been said that needs to be said. >> Finance. I did not talk to Miranda. She was going to she was trying to come. Any
other updates in finance? >> The only other question that we have is the auditors asking about me being on >> the accounts, which I want to talk to Maria about that first. The auditor suggested that I have online access
management and I've never been asked that before. It's always been the treasurer. >> So, I think it's something that is Yeah. needs to be discussed with her. >> All right. Uh outreach and marketing. Ducks.
Ducks. I love it. So, just um I will show you this real quick. This is um so we are rebranding all of our music stuff. Remember, we had the second Saturday concert series. We aren't doing second Saturday concert series because I don't want us limited to that. We have kids music programs, we have adult music
programs. We have a former board member who's asking about getting Broadway programs started here. So, what we want to do is have marketing specifically for that. and our marketing team is coming up with a name um bridge beats um the library sessions
>> something like that we have we were able to give out at the at the jazz concert um our concerts for the entire year so people can now start to plan and come in and do that >> dates and everything >> and that's where we have some of these things adapter for a charger some cool stuff so
we're just switching up what we're giving out and what we're doing Um personnel I will email everybody tomorrow and get a meeting on the books talk about the things we discussed today policy. >> Nothing policy.
>> Okay. Uh and technology. >> Nothing. >> Not sure. >> Okay. Can I bring up a topic? >> Yeah. Um, so yesterday I spoke with Mayor Walker and we discussed the building on Marboro Road that we had gone to see quite a few years ago when Mayor Henry at the time had recommended
that we look at that as one of our locations. So I had a conversation with her and I explained to her that at that point that's what we were looking to do and she's like I think that's a fabulous idea. So that building is still there at the offer of us if we wanted to go in and
>> do re it needs renovations. We know that from four years ago or three years ago, whenever we went. >> Um I think at that point we were up to Frank was supposed to get the specs from engineering but at this point if you don't mind maybe I'll go up to the engineering department and get the specs so we can move forward from there. We
had Bob Fernie. We had fire there. They walked through it with us. Again, things are going to change more because the building is just getting older. Uh Matthew from Parks and Recreation was with us. We were all we were all there. So I don't know if you guys want to go tour it again. talk about different
ideas that what we can do for it, but that is definitely an option on the table. Um, since the project down in Lawrence Harbor obviously is not working out right now. You know, our our goal was to open up another facility
>> and it's on that side. Maybe that's something we should really definitely look into. I think we should. >> Well, um, you mentioned in in your report that we didn't get a lot of people coming to the main library who were over four miles away.
>> That's something I'm still exploring that software, but that's the way it appeared to me. >> Okay. Um, if you could contact both Monroe and East Brunswick and find, you'll probably find out that a lot of the people who are a lot closer
to that library go there. They they do and so in Madawan also. >> Yeah. So the question is if you do something out of the building where it is normally we would charge somebody who doesn't live in town $75 a year for permit. I don't know what they
do um in terms of what where they go and they pay the money for or just because they can use their own card there. >> Yeah. I mean part of it being part of the consortium part of it is proximity. Part of it is different buildings appeal
to different people. If you want a more intimate experience, you're going to this is much more open and other change. >> Yeah. Looking looking at any kind of branch and things like that involves that software. So, I've been working with that to really try and understand
it because they're showing me red dots on a map. What does a red dot mean? Does that mean you checked out a book or this or that? They told me that there's another piece to the software that's another $2,000 and you only need it once or every 10 years. I just want to understand what we have before I add
something else on. >> Of course. So >> I would I'll go back with you if you want. >> Okay. >> And I'd love to see it because I don't even know what we're talking about. >> So would you like to all go? We can go do a field trip again. >> Go check it out. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> What street is it? >> It's on Marbor Road.
>> It's off of Route 18. >> It's got plenty of >> You can't see nothing. on the phone with me every day. >> I need housing. Gina, buy me something. >> Um, all right. Any public comments? >> You'd have to install a an elevator if
you did something with that movement. >> Um, okay. >> Because you got those. >> A motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make the motion. >> Okay, I'll second. >> Thank you. >> In favor? I >> have a good night.