e e e e e e e e e uh it's 7:30 I'd like to call the
order the February 27 2025 Oldbridge Township planning board meeting please rise for the pledge allegiance to flag United States of America the stands na
liy Justice for All roll call please Mr D here Mr lenning here mayor Walker here Mr low here Mr Rena is absent Mr Petty Here Miss Mella
here Mr mcac here Mr Brennan here Mr Ferrara here and Miss Canon okay first order of business we're swearing in of our professionals uh thank you Mr chairman we have a number of U professionals on behalf of the board this evening so uh
we have a number of applications as well so we're going to do a swearing in at the beginning cover all of the testimon this hearing tonight my apologies do you swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give this evening is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank
you okay next we have the minutes of January 23rd 2025 do we have any additions deletions of those minutes if not I'd like to have a motion to approve move it
second okay Mr D yes Mr lenning yes mayor Walker Aban Miss Canon Mr Petty yes Miss Mella yes Mr mcac yes m Mr Brennan yes
and chairman ler yes okay next we have adoption for amended 20125 uh planning board rules and regulations uh yes Mr chairman at the last meeting we um adopt the board adopted its updated rules and
regulations for 2025 but then there was a discussion with the board as to make some um uh amendments to section 2 colon 6-4 with regard to uh providing where allows for electronic evidence to be submitted but allowing for uh paper plans and documents to be submitted upon
request by the planning board and setting forth a procedure to do so I have made those revisions and uh or proposed amendments it's on page nine uh and 10 of the document uh that has been submitted with the board and if the board's in favor of that then we just need to uh have a motion second and a
roll call to adopt the amended minute uh excuse me the amended rules okay any any uh comments about the okay uh moving Mr Brandon move second
second Mr D yes Mr Ling yes mayor Walker yes Miss Canon yes Mr Petty yes Miss Mella yes Mr mcac yes Mr Brennan yes and chairman lower yes uh next uh we have a a resolution
uh that would be uh Vina your resolution so um this is um a resolution authorizing me to conduct an area investigation study for three Parcels that are located along uh County Route
516 these three Parcels um Dan is going to just in a moment display it on the screen these three Parcels are adjacent to the manino uh Redevelopment plan area or the YMCA property and um the front
two Parcels have been wakened for a significant amount of time there have been applications that were filed uh in the past in front of the zoning board but never came to fruition um I believe
they uh qualify for um the Redevelopment there has been uh the owner has been interested in redeveloping the sites for a long time now so this is just the first step in the investigation process
uh I also recommend it to the council that we include uh the blunder and tongue property because that is uh in a bad shape if you look at the parking lot the parking lot is in poor condition um
the building itself is not fully utilized so I think it would be a good idea to include that parcel since it is adjacent to it and any Redevelopment efforts that uh go into these three properties probably will help us connect
Jake Brown Road to White Oak Lane which has always been one of the goals of our master plan and our circulation plan so this is just the first step um I request the planning board to authorize me to conduct a study uh once the study is
complete um like every other uh Redevelopment study and plan area I will be back in front of the planning board uh for a public hearing on the area investigation okay thank you um are any questions to my
right to my left okay uh Vina just one quick question is blunder and Tong done or are they still operating there they are still operating but I know that their
ATT they have an attorney and they had F they were were trying to file an application uh with the planning office for redevelopment of the site when I told them wait a minute I'm already looking at these two adjacent Parcels why don't I include it in the
Redevelopment study so um they are in operation but I don't think they are fully operating it's underutilized at this point okay thank you uh I'll I'll move that resolution second Mr D
yes Mr lenning yes mayor Walker yes Miss Canon yes Mr Petty yes Miss Mella yes Mr mcisaac yes Mr Brennan yes and chairman laow yes okay next consist consistency review
uh amended Crossroads Redevelopment plan Vena sure um board members you may recall the this the crossroads Redevelopment plan was adopted by the council in 2000 and it
covers a lot of properties in and around Texas Road and um Malboro Road in the past the plan was written in 2000 it was amended in 2006 again it was amended in 2008 however we have not really seen any
development on these Parcels in the past the one uh property that was recently developed was a 100% municipally sponsored project which was part of our third round and that was in front of the planning board not too long ago almost
four years ago so we have been reevaluating the plan but again the plan area is huge so we have been looking at specific properties and then amending sections of the plan these are three Parcels within the crossroad
Redevelopment plan which were originally planned for Planned retirement community uh it's been 20 years there has been no development there have been interested developers that came in the past but then nothing really came out of it uh
the land is significantly constrained with Wetlands there are very few Upland areas so uh this is just a plan amendment to that specific those three Parcels um and uh it is not inconsistent
with the master plan because when we last amended our master plan we had made recommendations that such underutilized large underutilized Parcels within the township must be re-evaluated for their Redevelopment potential and the
Redevelopment agency has been acting on those recommendations I have been covering different areas just like the previous one we have been looking at different sections of the town to see uh which areas can benefit from the
Redevelopment uh status uh this is an existing uh area investigation uh area that was already designated but the plan needs to be Revisited because it is kind of uh outdated we have an application tonight too which is also part of the
crossroad R development plan and you will see that some of the designs standards and waivers are really outdated it needs to be updated so we're just taking care of the larger portion of Crossroad Redevelopment plan and it is not inconsistent with the master plan
recommendations very good thank you um any questions to my left right do I have a motion to accept that move it yeah uh Mr chairman actually uh just to clarify there is a resolution that was circulated that would be adopted by the board that would
be sent to the um sent back to the township committee or Council excuse me uh if that if you agree with the testimony that was provided by Miss salant I need a second did I get a second second
okay Mr dama yes Mr lenning yes mayor Walker yes Miss Canon yes Mr Petty yes M Mella yes Mr mcac yes Mr Brennan yes and chairman laow yes okay next uh uh we have an applic we
have three applications tonight we have a very packed agenda um we're going to allow 40 45 minutes for each application so uh uh the first one's going to be Stenton construction major preliminary
final site plan with a c variants and M Mr chairman if I may just on procedures just we have a lot of me still a lot of members of the public here uh because of the way we're going to handle this some of these applications might not get completed this evening so what we're going to do is after each witness is testified to we
will open to the public uh for questions uh of that witness's testimony um and the public comment general public comment with regard to any testimony the public wants to give or any other uh uh information or documents it wants to present would have would be at the end
after the close of the application so unless we get to that tonight given our tight agenda might not be until another meeting when this gets carried to but we're going to see how far we can get in all these applications good evening yes when it goes green you'll be
good to go there we go okay good evening Mr chairman uh mayor nice to meet you um Council we're here to present an application for a site plan for Stenton construction specifically the Pine
Tavern located at1 uh New Jersey Route 34 in Oldbridge I have with me uh three Witnesses two will testify um the other is the owner and he's here also and I
want to introduce him first Mr Stefano bovani banoi he's the owner of the uh of the property however the restaurant is managed on a daily basis and probably the person with most knowledge is his
son Luigi banoi who is here and he's going to be the one who I'm going to be asking some preliminary questions um and then we're going to present our engineer to answer the letter uh dated February 26th from your experts is that fair yes
thank you proceed Mr uh Bovi Luigi um when did you acquire this property what year let me just swear in the witness but first no no no problem uh would you please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you went to give this evening is the truth the whole truth and
nothing but the truth yes thank you all right Mr banoi what what was the year that you acquired the property uh 2007 okay and from 2007 to today has the size of the property that you acquired Chang in any way
no and um at some point uh could you explain to the board what business you have there it's a restaurant with a bar correct with a bar yeah all right and you've been operating
it continuously since 2007 correct yes um has there ever been any issues at that bar no family Place Family Restaurant hoping some of the board members know where it is
um in June or July of 2020 um there was the pandemic and at some point you created an outdoor patio correct yes and that outdoor patio was used because we couldn't have any indoor seating correct yes and you've kept that outdoor patio
um at the restaurant is that correct yes and approximately how many seats or tables do we have there it's 15 tables about 60 seats and what are the operations of that outdoor patio what's the date the
time that you have that used uh from 11 to close is it year round no very seasonal so what's the season that normally goes I would say it starts from June to about September and from June to to September
is it always open or is there any days that it might close well since it's it's not a covered area so we are you know basically at the sacrifice of the weather so when it's too hot we don't use it when it's raining we don't use it
so so it's not used um for the full three months of the year no and from September until May you don't use it at all not at all um inside the bar um and the restaurant uh
could you tell the board how many seats are in that bar and restaurant area yeah the bar has 20 seats and the restaurant 150 and um outside you said there were 60 seats and there's a total of 170 inside
correct yes and you indicated the hours of operation for the outdoor seating what's the hours of operation for the bar itself for the bar itself yes uh Monday through Thursday 11: to 9: and the
weekends is 11 to 10 Sunday uh 12: to 9 and how many employees um drive cars to your business um I would say about like five maybe six
depends and just trying to address some of the items that are in the letter um the expert uh our expert will present more testimony uh the garbage collection you have two dumpsters two dumpsters uh recycle and trash picked up three times
a week they both get picked up three times a week both of them yeah okay and your deliveries into the restaurant when do they normally take place I would say they normally take place during the week before 11:00 a.m.
you know quickly I would say and um you just uh touched upon it what is the the time that spent when um delivery comes in I would say 10 minutes or less and these deliveries are they just straight job trucks or are they big
tractor trailers they're just like box trucks sometimes smaller than box trucks more like Vans and uh going back to the property when you first bought it um was it paved no okay what was it just dirt area
it was a dirt area Y and uh did that create mud during the Rainy Seasons yes a lot of mud and that mud traveled out onto the roadways is that correct yes and at some point you decided um it would best that you pave the parking lot
correct yes and when did you do that that was at the end of 2019 and as a result of Paving it um that dirt and dust and mud is no longer an issue right correct um I have nothing
further our professionals could you please uh I don't have any questions for this witness Mr chairman Tim Vina I don't have any questions okay
anybody to my left to my right okay chairman before I call my next witness can I present to all the board members sure [Music] excuse me didn't give me the second page page two before we go to the next witness uh
I'm going to open it up for public comments on the testimony that was just given see no hands close that portion your next W witness please like to present our our next witness which is
our expert Mr sh would you please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you going to give uh is the truth the whole truth is nothing but the truth I do and could you please uh spell your name for me just so I can write it down for a record sh s h r i last name k
o t d a w l a Manalapan New Jersey thank you appreciate that yeah I'm a professional engineering in state of New Jersey since 1998 and I have testified at multiple times here and multiple location state of New Jersey and today
I'm doing the same thing so I request you accept my qualifications you're accepted thank you thank you so as we can see on description hold on sh hold on uh Shri I'm not I'm GNA call you by Shri only because it's easier to pronounce your name though sorry
everyone I call that's all I call them every time uh sh you've been approved by the board as an expert on as it pertains to this project you and I have reviewed this letter of February 26 that was given to us by the board experts I'm
going to ask you to address the letter U item by item in your testimony okay so briefly if you can see the site on a exhibit here it's 2015 how it used to look and this site is always never been a pristine forested land where
applicant paved the parking lot so I just wanted to show it used to be before before vava got constructed there there used to be a road going right next to the resturant so that area which applicant developed was always being
disturbed never for Ed never had like native trees or something which was there and now currently if you can flip the page uh the next Pages shows like what we did what the applicant did instead of that vacant area which was kind of a graly
parking lot versus paved parking lot with striping and and many other things so we started with like about 79 acre of imperious coverage to he took it to 095 acres and hence for we required storm
water management system which already we designed one subsurface storm water management system so we can meet the current DP storm water regulations as well as we have because of the created parking lot which is very like it covers almost entire site so we have we are in
a need of multiple design waivers and variances so I'm I'm going to go through that list what we need and why we are needing those variances so I I'll start with like before before you start in that just for procedural purposes um are we going to Mark well we
have to mark these as exhibits I'm thinking just because um they are different will mark one of the 2015 is exhibit A1 and the other one is exhibit A2 and if you can just please just uh explain uh for record per purposes um
the origins of these document is it something you got from a drone did you get it from the internet you know just to to give some foundation for the doc yeah this maps are NG g n um aial Maps which it's available on njg website as well as njgo web so they are a standard
2015 and 2020 aial photographs of the site perfect thank you sir I appreciate that so while creating this new parking lot as we see that we are almost touching the property lines at the to at the end towards vava at on Route 34 and
on the North side so like first I'll start one by one like one is a landscape area ratio where Township requires that 40% area to remain green General common language which we
are not able to do it as we we can see it here so that is a one kind of a variance we are looking for the second one is mentioned is outdoor storage and a trash enclosure uh we are using two of the parking space on a North West corner
uh right there we have two currently dumpsters are there so they are not complying with the rules so but to enhance that area and we had a comments from your professionals where they wanted us to put the like a trees around
it and as well as the fencing or so we will be putting fencing as well as we will add a row of like evergreen trees on about three sides so the visual will be improved currently now you drive it and you see those two straight
dumpsters so so that change we will make in our plan when we we we go back to the drafting table the the other one was residential use buffer because on the north we have a residence there is a house so typically we require a buffer
of 15 minimum versus we have 4.67 so because our parking lot is very close to the neighbor neighbor's property lines so to negate the negative fact we are putting 6 ft board on board fence as well as we are putting
evergreen tree lines so car headlight will not like like neighbors won't see that especially only whe there's one neighbor they won't see so those two measures we have we are applying to reduce the negative effect of not having proper residential buffer residential
use buffer and there's another one is call right of way buffer which is the right of way buffer from the Dock Road as well as Route 34 both are going to be missing here and and we are seeking the waiver the same
thing the evergreen trees will not negatively like harm the drivers on Route 34 as well as the Dock Road the other one is same like where we required non-residential use to a residential use which is in our case same thing 50 ft buffer is required we
will have a 4.67 Feld of buffer and then parking area setback uh we we require like 5 ft minimum we are at 4.9 if if really board and professionals are hard on us saying no
we can accept it we will be able to change our plan a little bit and he will make some alteration in parking lot and we can have it 5 ft instead of 4.9 so and these are the basically the list of like a variances we created because
of the newly created parking lot and we will be seeking a relief here from the board in that matter but thank you Shri and there's a one more is a sidewalk requirement typically when you see a new development we always have a sidewalk but this is an
existing facility never had a sidewalk and whatever the addition we have done we would not have a sidewalk and the owner told us that they they have never seen someone coming walking in there using a sidewalk to the restaurant so that piece of property will not have
a sidewalk there's also no sidewalk across the street in no waher correct to the right yes yes so it'd be consistent to maintain the green um uh space between the curb and the prop and the property yes that green space is in
right of it thank you want to talk about the parking yeah the parking space uh today the numbers we wrote on our plan there is some minor couple of parking spaces plus minus but today the owner has testified we calculated the number of
seat and we came up with 90 parking space is required our plan shows 86 and I believe I'm not really sure but I we might get three EV charging parking space credit so we are at 89 and required is 90 so we are one parking
space short of the required parking space based on 150 seats 20 bar seats and 60 outdoor seats so the our calculation shows us that we are short of one parking space and and that's if all seats are full
it's it's it's we we go by theoretical numbers right if this many seats this many parking required so we are short by one parking space I understand but it just for the board's understanding 60 of those seats are in that uh patio area which the testimony was that it only
functions 3 months out of the year and not every day in those three months so if you take those 60 seats away then your number requirement will be way below 90s right correct correct okay and currently as we saw before there was a there were no trees on a
site uh we are trying to enhance the look of the site we are planting 86 evergreen trees 23 shrubs and a three shed trees so Al together we will see about 112 trees here currently there's
nothing he has some like a landscaping trees but so these are the improvements in exchange of something which is done wherever we were in non-conformance so we request board to grant us those
rers and um from your testimony what the proposal uh of the site plan uh that's before us uh what is your opinion in terms of its overall look compared to what it looked like uh prior to our
application as we can see both pictures 2015 and now it was never a pristine land and with putting a nice fence and uh this 112 trees um I'm hopeful that it's going to it's going to look much better than what
we have now and even in 2015 before the applicant did the work and all about the technical comments are here multiple about our strong water management system the way we have designed the stuff and we have we have the details shown construction details and we will comply with all of
those comments by the professionals then we don't see any difficulty in achieving comments that's the end of Our Testimony you're finished what you're finished yes I'm finished okay okay
let's go to our professionals all right um I just wanted to go over some of the the landscape things um in the back there they're proposing a a row of um skip which is nice plant it'll get like 8 feet tall five six foot wide I mean problem is
it's kind of a narrow space in there and uh in addition to the to the uh shrubs I see that you're proposing a fence I'm not sure what kind of fence that is or that's going to make it even less so I would you know I would lose the fence
basically just to give the plants I mean if you want them to to survive and thrive you know you got to take that out and I know the intent I don't know if it was a solid fence or what it was but yes the two aren't going to coexist you know um the owner agrees that we won't put
the fence but the trees what's that we'll put the trees in no fence no fence yeah I think that would work better I mean um and then along Route 30 is it 34 I I we're looking at the pictures from uh Google Earth we can see that you do have some plans out there some of them
look like they're kind of yes on the way out so um what I would do is try to supplement them with other plants you know um use some ornamental grasses some flowering shrubs like maybe St John's wart some things that give a little color some seasonality and we can help
you with the plant selection and and and when you get to the intersection with um doc Road I think you could and I don't want to speak for the town but that's a that's a Township Road right I don't know if the town would
mine if you extended that landscape area out into the buffer as long as you agree to maintain it and uh that would give you the flexibility to you know put some more variety out there and make it look a lot better and it be more effective for sure as you get to the U
intersection you can see you're proposing for lawn there I would just make that part of the landscape bed so you can spread some of those things out and some of the plants you got in there kind of low I would I would substitute some other ones that might be more effective but again we can we can work with you on that yeah no we we agree we will we will
like we will propose a plan and then we'll make change changes as per the comment from you guys I think that's that's a better idea like during compliance review you work with the planning engineering office I mean the Consultants to come up with a landscape
plan that is acceptable to the township and works for you guys as well okay definitely one more one one item that I we missed is the sign we're proposing a sign to be installed we proposing a
ground we are proposing a ground mounted sign so in case if you're coming from the like vava side for the Dock Road there will be a ground mounted sign 8 ft by 6 ft which allows like just it's kind of visibly it makes Pine time visible we
have a sign existing sign on Route 34 but this will be a ground mounted sign not a three standing sign just so everybody knows where the driveway is I guess R do so regarding the sign uh what we asked
for in our in our memo uh is is the details on the existing sign the way that our ordinance is written is that a a secondary sign on on the on the secondary roadway is permitted but it has to be half the size and half the
height of the S the sign on the primary roadway if if if we don't if if you have that information we can determine whether you need a variance we we have it it's in a plan but I have not narrated properly because we sent someone and Drew this my office but we
will we will comply with that half the size requirements we are not basically looking a big sign you're not looking for a relief for that sign that's that's amazing a small sign and and for the board's uh edification that the applicant the sign that were the proposed sign on Doc road is a fairly
modest sign it's a twoot by 6t uh the actual copy is 2 feet the side is 3 ft High 6 feet wide so it's 18 square ft which is again modest by uh standards that we normally see um so as long as the sign on the
roadway is at least double that you'll be fine you don't need relief instead of having a back lit sign would you care if it is externally IL um inated because these acryic signs over a
period of time become an issue they're not aesthetically pleasing I would rather like a ground sign that is that uh highlights the lettering then have a backlit sign externally
illuminated what you're talking yeah so basically you would have spotlights yeah it it would be externally illuminated shining on the sign instead of being internal eliminated and what's the reason for that so over a period of time maintenance of those signs becomes a
problem they start looking very shabby cracks develop instead if you have an externally lit sign it looks prettier so we have been Ting all business yeah it's Aesthetics you don't have a problem with that no problem thank you thank
you are we done um I would just add one more thing it would be great for this landscape beds out there just to help them grow and and survive during hot summers to put some drip irrigation in there okay I would
recommend that okay and the applicant did utter the the magic words that I always like to hear that they'll comply with all of our comments so that that's great um the with regard to the the variance relief
that they need for the parking um given the fact that it's really triggered by the seasonal uh seating uh I really don't have any objection to the relief that they're seeking uh they're actually only falling short by a few parking spaces and like I said that's triggered by the uh 60 outdoor seats which
actually is 20% of that I'm sorry 20 of those total 92 required spaces if not for that they would be overp parked actually by a little bit so uh given that I I don't really have an objection uh there is some design relief I don't know sh if you covered it I didn't I didn't follow as far as the size of the
spaces and the width of the drive aisles could you just uh comment as to the functioning of the spaces obviously they're out there right now uh maybe you or the applicant can uh speak to how that works out for you guys guys currently yeah because what we have is
typically Old Bridge requires 10 by 20 parking spaces we always come back to the board and ask for 9 by8 but in in this case the striping and all that was done not as a surveyor did it so kind of owner and the contractor just did the signs of some parking spaces are small
some are large so what that's that's a relief we are seeking that it's it's parking lot is functioning properly at this moment but definitely if something is a problem or where the cars are not being parked properly applicant is
always going to be an obligation to fix it at this moment because it's pre-existing and pre-existing again uh we have have that issue of not having all parking spaces 9 by8 so so that's where some are eight and half so we are
we are seeking kind of or we have to do restriping and we are doing some restriping to change it to make it more closer to conformance but we are not going to be conforming fully in that matter Mr ban have you ever had any issues uh with parking um as far as spot
the size of the parking spaces some right but you've never had any issues with anybody complaining that they hit the nobody's complaining yeah from from a functional standpoint again it it appears that the parking lot does function properly uh and I
think there are there are existing spaces in in the even the older parking lot really that's where a lot of the non-compliances are the newer parking lot I think is a little bit closer to compliance and again it's it it is functioning properly so I think the benefit of having that additional
parking because the applicant like we talked about does require some relief for parking and and forcing them to comply with with this the actual standard the letter of our standard would actually reduce the number of spaces further so I think there's a balance there that struck and again I don't have an objection to to the
granting of that design waver relief either thank you okay um any uh questions to my right no anybody from my left questions well I have a Mr chairman I think Vina might have
something I mean I don't have any questions I was using up all of her time oh okay sorry I don't have questions for sh but I just want to remind the board uh if you may recall especially because there's a parking variance involved uh when we were uh in the pandemic the
council had suspended two sections of our outdoor dining ordinance because we have an ordinance in place that uh requires s plan review if you have Beyond 8 parking spaces and there was a fee associated with it the council
extended it twice and um it's still in place so those two sections are still suspended but just last year Governor Murphy passed a bill that made outdoor dining permanent and it requires that
any outdoor dining is subject to review by the zoning officer and if there are any issues and the issues would be mostly contain uh concerning the required parking then they would have to come back to the
board I think this is the best time for uh Pine Tavern to come and ask for that relief because now outdoor dining is uh they're allowed to have permanent outdoor dining seats so in granting the variances it it makes sense to include all of the outdoor dining spaces and
again um like Rakesh said the relief that is requested is not significant so uh I would support the working variants as well okay thank you would we have to amend our application for that relief Fina uh what was your
notice I don't it should have the catch all language right so so you're you're you're fine okay thank you okay uh I have a couple questions um in the memo uh bulk variances you you
refer to outdoor storage are are you referring to the shipping container that's out there yes that is what we're shipping we're talking about okay so you're asking for a fence around that we're asking for landscaping Mr chairman Landscaping now will this set a
precedent for anybody else on Route 34 that would like to have a container in front of their building by leaving it I mean it looks nice it's got a nice white tree on it yeah go ahead I don't believe so because each application is red
on its own Merit um because of the location and because of the type that is used we are off we are requesting a more aesthetic look to the corner but uh it does not set a precedent okay yeah Mr chairman if I could just add on a legal
basis that V is 100% correct it is a um this is a variance request so it is going to be based on these specific circumstances presented in the testimony given so if the board grants it it's based on that circumstance it's not something that just we carried over to any other property
okay now my other question is you in the drainage you referred to an inlet that wasn't going to be removed okay uh I made several field trips out there and uh the one little Inlet if if it's the
one you're referring to that you said there were no pipes coming in or no pipes going out there was to me a a 4in PVC pipe with an elbow either going in or taking uh uh storm water out and it
looked like it was headed directly to the sanitary sewer manhole there I didn't pop the cover but that's the direction it looked like it was going so it's more of a collection system it's from the roof okay so the
water comes in and it percolates in the ground okay so there is a pipe in there there's a pipe okay so I'm sorry guys Mr chairman go ahead no I was just going to ask so we we did ask for some clarification on that and I I I assumed when you said you yeah when I assumed when you said you satisfy our comments
that you would you would further explain that in future revisions um but so just for the record um the storm water inlet that the Chairman's talking about it doesn't have any piping going out is that correct so it's an area Inlet that just percolates in the ground yes and the pipe that's coming in that the
chairman noticed is the roof drains that are dumping into the stormw inl okay okay and um my last question is could somebody explain to me these cars that come in and park at 8:30 in the morning and on your west side of your parking
lot and uh allow people to cross Route 34 I'm a little concerned about that talk about yes so the chiropractor across the street they were like and I guess in need of more parking because they were
pretty busy so they had asked us if they could use the parking space in the morning for their employees and then as they go you know everybody leaves well yeah I I kind of figured out what yeah what was happening I had concerns with
that happening only a few weeks or months after the medical facility opened up and I asked uh our chairman I said what's happening here she brought it to the town I don't know what was U done
about it but I take pedestrian safety very serious and I I don't know I think you're doing a nice job here I like what you're doing thank but I don't know if I can support it based on that because if somebody ever got waffled injured because it is on a curve
and it is a highway so that's all I got to say well I mean we can definitely tell them yeah it's not allowed and I'm I'm sure you could yeah but if a year from now if I'm driving down the road and it's still happening I'm not going to be happy
about it yeah well we wouldn't do you of course but so um Mr bonjovi Mr bonjovi you you'll agree to eliminate that uh that use yeah yeah the like my son there is a the
house next door they own the house next where the doctor used to be yes there is people there so I see them sometime they park there they go to the house they don't they don't cross in the other side but if there is a people crossing the other side we're going to tell them right because it's it's really dangerous
and we t on our board we take pedestrian safety serious so want to help okay Mr chairman just just just to clarify know you know within the jurisdiction you know we can't we can't expect them to stop everybody from crossing the street that might not even
be imated could be someone walking down the street CR just with what's in what's in their control and ability correct um okay I just want to you know make sure clear right Mr chairman so one question I actually have for the applicant the next store the building next to you now isn't
that now owned by that chiropractor yes um so there is the potential that they can now use that spot oh they they they have been you're right they have been using i' watched I just noticed that we can't control their property no I I understand that and I understand you can't stop somebody from leaving your
bar and saying I'm going to go over and visit the chiropractor I understand that what I'm about is you allowing people to park specifically for that activity I I that we will not allow them to park there anymore okay thank
you okay do we have a public you want to do um open it for the public anybody from the public like to comment about this application well uh for well I guess we could do it at the same time chairman just because since we are this is questions of the witness but but at this time uh Mr chairman since we are
limited on time we'll open up to any public comments on this application as well so if you have any questions of the witnesses or any general public comment on this application you can come up now okay see you no hands okay all right Mr chairman uh
excuse me um Mr Grover is that your all complete okay thank you minutes a a a motion uh to approve this application would be granting major preliminary and final site plan with the uh various bulk C standard uh variances
that were testified to and included in the report prepared by our professionals as well as the waivers and it would be based upon the testimony presented uh before this board at the hearing this evening um there uh weren't too many uh specific conditions of approval it was that the applicant did uh testify that
they will comply with the comments contained in the board professionals report uh that they would work with the um uh boards professionals with regarding to uh preparing a landscaping uh plan that would be uh acceptable to both the applicant and the uh Township
uh they would uh change the uh signage to be external illumination versus a black lit sign and install a um some type of uh uh drip irrigation to get that correct uh for the uh new Landscaping being performed and that's all I have
anding oh yes sorry yes the last one we just spoke about yes thank you Mr chairman and that they will eliminate the permitted parking to uh from the uh business across the street okay thank you um do I have a motion I'll move it
second Mr D yes uh Mr lenning yes mayor Walker yes where are we miss Canon yes Mr Petty yes Miss Mella yes Mr mcac yes Mr Brennan yes and chairman low
yes thank you everyone good luck have a good evening yeah okay should I just we're going to take a five minute recess e e e
e e e e e e yeah yeah okay okay uh we can I have some order or we going to listen to our next uh
application which is 51-20 23p Vision Oldbridge 4 urban renewal LLC major preliminary site plan with a sea variant welcome uh good evening Mr chair members of the board your professional staff members of the public my name is Peter
clauser I'm an attorney with the firm hbr p uh this evening I have the pleasure of representing Vision Oldbridge Roman numeral 4 urban renewal and we have that unusual name because we are an urban renewal entity and this is an area in need of Redevelopment uh previously designated by the board or
Redevelopment area and we're presenting this application pursuant to the crossroads Redevelopment plan uh this is property that's located on Texas Road uh not too far from the route N9 intersection where the CVS is in that in that area uh it's a piece of property
that is uh encumbered by uh some wetlands and environmental constraints and we're proposing to develop the property in accordance with the crossroads plan um I should note that the property is actually owned by the township of Oldbridge uh and your
applicant is a contract purchaser of that property um the application is to be presented through four Witnesses I have Scott Turner who is a professional engineer and has been working on the project for a number of years now uh Michael Testa our architect who's
designed the buildings that we'll be presenting Frank movich is our traffic engineer and then finally Allison coffin is a professional planner to discuss the Redevelopment plan and its interaction uh with the proposed development there are 70 units uh proposed they were all to be age restricted 14 of those units
are to be affordable housing to satisfy your affordable housing requirements uh and there is a clubhouse uh pickle ball court uh pool and um uh a superintendent uh unit uh so if I could uh Mr chair I'd
like to have Scott sworn place his credentials on the record I would ask that the board accept him as a professional engineer and I'll ask him to take you through the existing conditions in the site do you swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give the excuse me you're going to give tonight is the truth the whole truth and nothing but
the truth I do thank you Scott if you could just share with the board what your license is that it's in good standing your educational background and your work affiliation sure can do that uh good evening everybody it's nice to see all of you uh my name is Scott Turner I'm a graduate
of the New Jersey Institute of Technology I have a Bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering I am a uh a principal with men low Engineering Associates with over 30 years of experience in the field of civil engineering and Land Development I'm a licensed New Jersey Professional
engineer and my license is in good standing and Scott testified oh you're accepted thank you chair thank you Scott if perhaps you could give um the board uh technical uh direction as to open up your the exhibit that you want to start
with sure can we can we open up the Villa's existing conditions exhibit no Peter is this a new exhibit presenting or is this something that was previously submitted I'll let Scott give you the new exhibit presenting new exhibit thank appreciate that so we'll
mark that as A1 okay perfect uh thank you uh so this is uh exhibit A1 we'll mark it as A1 the bill is at Merl's Corner existing conditions exhibit uh dated uh February 21st 202 25 was prepared by my office
and it's uh the outline of the uh property as it sits today uh with surrounding areas uh for purposes of Direction North is basically straight up to the top of the sheet Texas road is running parallel and at the top of the
sheet running left to right and then route n is uh to furthest to the east on the right hand side of the sheet uh so for the record the property is known as a block two 2 10001 lot 4.11 it does contain 39.6 5 Acres uh it
has approximately 2,173 ft of Frontage along the eastbound side of Texas road which is also known as uh County Route 690 uh the Madison uh Crossing at birchill residential development borders the southern and western properties as
shown on the exhibit uh to the east furthest to the right is a commercial development near Route 9 it's known as Southside Plaza and on the westbound side uh or to the north is U primarily
um wooded vacant properties marbor road is just off the sheet off to the uh to the leftand side heading west so just a little background on this property uh we've been working on this project since 2021 late 21 into 22 primarily uh and
then there that place forward uh there has been significant environmental constraints on the property itself uh as as shown on the on the exhibit itself it's mostly encumbered with freshwater wetlands Wetland buffers they've been
verified by the uh njd through a letter of interpretation that was issued on March 30th 2023 and uh due to the wetlands we only had of approximately 5.4 Acres out of that 39 Acres that can be developed and I'm just going to outline it quickly
this this is basically the Wetland buffer on the west side and then the Wetland buffer on the east side so we have this area in the middle that's available for development and it's it's very irregular
in shape uh so we had to try to fit buildings and parking areas and everything to support a development within that area uh while complying with all the state requirements and regulations um in addition to the wetlands on the property we also had to
deal with a uh the sewer service area uh the sewer service area uh you know for whatever reason did not follow the limits of these Wetlands it was a drafted line it's a jogg you know jiggly line there's no Rhyme or Reason to the
line it's not on my exhibit uh but it did wind up cutting through some of the area that we had planned for development uh primarily it was down in the Southeast corner where we had a portion of our building shown and in order for that build to be sewered we had to move
that building within the sewer service area which prompted the need for a redesign of the site after we had it engineered and moving everything over to make all the buildings fit within the confines of the sewer service area the other option to leave it the way we had
it was to go in for an amendment to the Wastewater management plan which is not a very easy thing to do uh and it's a very time consuming process and it's no guarantee that you get it uh so uh the applicant directed us to redesign the property get everything to fit the
architect redesigned the building uh so we now have a plan that we believe conforms obviously sits in the sewer service area and also uh fits within the confines of the requirements of the njd for uh Wetland permitting uh we also
have if that wasn't enough we also have running through the middle of the property and it's shown on the exibit right here a 20ft wide sanitary sewer easement and that uh drains effluent from Madison Hill in
a Northerly Direction into the Texas Road sewer system so that is an easement to the obmua uh and it has to remain so we had to also redesign and design around that as well and we've had discussions and
meetings with the obmua we have pen pending applications with them uh and they are uh they're they're good with what we've got shown as of now and we've got to go through their process for getting part in you could see on this exhibit most of the property and I'm sure if you've been pasted it it's it's primarily very
heavily wooded uh It generally uh drains in an easterly and Westerly drainage pattern uh everything drains away from Madison Hill into this property drains into the Wetland areas into little rivlets and it's it's relatively flat
you know there's no real clear defined channel that drains it to some certain location it it drains sort of all over sits in there and that's why it's a wetland uh because it really just basically sits and then you know winds up infiltrating uh back into the ground there's some pipes that cross Texas Road
uh further away from the developed portion of the property uh but they are nonetheless that's that's why this is a wetland complex uh the property is as uh Peter pointed out subject to the crossroads Redevelopment plan it's the flex District zoning standards uh this
proposed age restricted multif family use is permitted in the zone and the Project's been designed to comply with the New Jersey residential site Improvement standards good flip to the site plan exib no uh overall that's it thank
you this is an exhibit right Scott so we would mark this as A2 A2 yes you could describe it for the record what A2 is that we're looking at sure this is the Villas at morals Corner overall plan exhibit dated February 21st 2025 exhibit prepared by my office
and it's basically taking that um Google image and overlaying on top of it the proposed uh site plan we blew the uh scale up so it would be a little easier to see so off to the left and to the right of the sheet are the extents of the property same orientation North is
straight up uh Texas road is up on the top of the sheet parallel with the uh with the left to right configuration uh so we are here seeking preliminary and final major site plan for 70 age restricted residential units located in two buildings uh 14 of those will be
designated as affordable units and we are uh proposing one superintendent unit uh in the clubhouse uh the two residential buildings uh building number one uh which is a three-story building it's
19,47 square foot uh approximate footprint size contains uh 39 units uh broken down into 12 one-bedroom units 21 two-bedroom units and six three-bedroom units a building number two is also a
three-story building 18, 92Q ft uh footprint with 31 units so that's your total of 70 and that building has two one-bedroom units 22 bedroom units and 9 three bedroom units uh the development will be uh accessible uh through a 28t
wide private roadway uh off of Texas Road uh upon entering the site uh the first thing you really get to is the uh the clubhouse building and a 17 space parking lot uh that Clubhouse uh contains approximately
5,132 Square ft it has a roof height of 25 ft 5 in uh you may hear testimony later on from our architect uh that that creates a u a deviation uh from the standards and I I believe what you'll hear is that we're going to agree to
reduce that height to 25 ft by changing the pitch of the roof so that we don't have a deviation from the standard that's uh for an accessory structure uh but anyway the way the plan stands now it's it was shown as a 25' 5 in uh height uh and it has a Cupa height which
is just in you know a design feature of 32 fet 8 in uh the one-bedroom superintendent unit is in the front leftand corner of the building uh behind that Clubhouse building is a uh patio area for seating a pool and a pool
equipment shed all of which will be um uh you know enclosed within a privacy privacy wall uh immediately behind that uh there is a uh masonry dumpster location that's located right here that masonry dumpster location is really only
to service the clubhouse building uh so all the other trash will be handled internal inside the buildings and you'll hear testimony further in regards to how that works so due to the environmental restrictions that we we talked about
earlier the two residential buildings had to be located deeper into the property because that's the only place they really would fit that's the only area where the the Upland area kind of you know widened out enough to get those buildings in place uh so building number two uh is located on the Westerly side
and it's the rectangular shaped building this is building number two and building number one is The Irregular in shaped building that's located uh closer to the rear of the property uh buildings one and two will be set back 37 ft and 152 ft
respectively from the tra from the track boundary and both buildings have a maximum Building height of 41' 7 in which is to the highest peak uh to the east of that building number one located here is a small parking lot
to support the residential units as well as a uh pickle ball court and open space which will be used for active Recreation so between that space and the clubhouse and the Pool and Patio area we have a total active wreck area of
9,14 square ft so serving the de development or 24 4 foot wide private driveways that kind of are scattered throughout the the development uh parking lots with 9 by8 wide parking spaces ADA Compliant
parking spaces and uh designated uh EV spaces throughout the property uh the EV spaces will be installed um some will be make ready uh and if there's any that are in need to be uh put online immediately uh they will be but they will all be put online per Federal rules
and regulations uh the development does require 135 spaces parking spaces and that's taking into account the EV credit uh and we're providing parking on site for 140 vehicles uh but from a zoning compliance
standpoint uh it's a little weird but from a zoning compliance standpoint we're actually providing 203 spaces because you get credit for the EV spaces that count as three spaces against what's required so for every EV space you actually can count them as three
parking spaces nonetheless there's 140 spaces on the ground for people to park throughout development as well we have sidewalks that are uh up against the uh parking lots and uh you know gain access obviously into each one of these
buildings each one of these buildings will have one main entrance in and then the architect will describe how you move throughout that building uh but the parking obviously as you can see for the most part is uh you know primarily located uh conveniently next or adjacent
to these buildings uh you know other than the parking lot that's up by the clubhouse but the the walk from one either one of these buildings to that clubhous is is is not very long uh it's not that large of a piece of property uh so we do feel like we have good circulation good parking uh you know
throughout the property for uh the the development itself uh trash collection and mail delivery for the residential units will be handled inside the building so there will be really no need for them to use that outside dumpster and we're prop proposing a small compliant Monument sign up at the
intersection with Texas road on our property and it will be compliant with all the zoning standards uh water for the development uh will be extended in from Madison Crossing uh we've had uh again meetings with the obmua and that's the direction we were told to go in
bring it in from Madison Crossing uh and uh sanitary sewer will Connect into the existing sewer Mains that are located in the easement that's running through the middle of the property uh all other utilities are available uh gas cable Electric telephone uh and they'll all be
brought in by way of underground feeds uh storm water management which is always the most difficult thing these days for us to deal with and address uh We've designed the project to uh discharge into uh multiple infiltration
bio retention basins located throughout the property I believe we have five of them on this property we have two up top that straddle the the main entrance in we have another one on the um what I'll call the Westerly the Westerly side of
the Private Road in we have one other in the back most southwesterly corner and then we have a last one over in the southeasterly corner here as well and these patches that are open these green open openings that are through the
wetlands and the woods those are the discharge points from those infiltration basins uh we have pending permits from the d uh We've applied for those permits uh freshwater Wetland General permits and flood Hazard permits to the extent needed and we're working through their
revisions and as you know they go through a very thorough uh review of the storm water management system there's been uh an extensive amount of soil testing done throughout the property uh and and uh we're we're confident that we're going to get the permits needed to
um you know facilitate the project itself uh and of course the project will comply and must comply with all the current storm water management standards uh the pro the project will be lit with LED pole mounted fixtures uh
with a 16ft mounting height along with wall mounted fixtures with a 12ft mounting height we have a minimum 05 foot candles with an average of 2.5 foot candles and an average minimum to uniformity ratio of 5 to1 within the
roads and the driveways uh we have a minimum of 1.0 foot candles with an average of 3.0 foot candles an average minimum uniformity ratio of 3 to1 within the parking lots uh there were some uh comments within the staff report about
the lighting uh we will agree to comply with the uh comments in there and uh bring everything up to uh the standards that they'd asked for uh in terms of landscaping uh we're proposing 170 trees 427 shrubs and
nearly 600 ground cover plantings uh they're all you know planted throughout the development of Street trees uh planted Islands uh you know planting around the homes themselves and around the clubhouse uh and of course along the front uh to make that of an attractive
front entrance into the development itself uh the monument sign of course will have you know landscaping around that um as well and then we also have additional plantings that are not included in those totals uh within the bior retention basins and they're
required by the ngd there's a very set standard in terms of what we have to plant in those basins and uh we've done that uh along the rear of the property uh which is where we are the closest to uh Madison Madison Hill uh we have a row
of uh Eastern red cedar Evergreens uh that are located on top of a retaining wall uh that will uh mature at a height of 25 ft uh that will provide a buffer from the neighbors uh the grade differential from from Madison Crossing
to our building in the rear uh is roughly 12 or 14 feet when you look at Finish floor to finish floor Madison Hill is higher than us uh so we have a retaining wall on our side and then below that will be where the finished floor of our buildings will be um their
buildings I believe are two stories I I believe that's the case uh their buildings are are approximately 25 ft or so from the property line uh and it's all open lawn area behind those units so uh we're providing um an evergreen
buffer uh to the best we can uh we will I think there were some comments in terms of trying to supplement that a little bit more and we certainly will do that um the project does comply with the township tree planting ordinance uh with respect to Woodlands management we did
go through that uh calculation as well we are removing 586 trees uh it is a heavily wooded site uh and based on the township tree removal ordinance 843 replacement trees would be required um and as I mentioned earlier we're
planting 170 trees uh which leaves a deficit of 673 replacement trees uh the Outside Agency approvals are uh all basically pending we have middle six County planning board for site plan approval uh and they're of
course reviewing the application for Texas Road uh mentioned the NJB freshwater wetlands and flood Hazard uh the obmua for water and sewer and once we get the obmua approvals we'll go right to the njd for our water and
sanitary sewer extensions and freeold Soil Conservation District we have our certification and unless I miss something Peter I that's my direct no I think let's talk a little bit about we received a staff report uh dated yesterday February 26th
and we had the opportunity to um have a a zoom call this morning with your state have to go uh through that report and as far as the technical comments that are concerned in that report the engineering comments of site plan comments you're comfortable that you can comply with
those yes okay yes um I don't have any further questions for Mr Turner at this time but he's available to the board and your professional so I'm sure have uh questions Peter just one thing we did get a letter late this afternoon I just want to get it on record from the uh
from the uh Oldbridge Fire District number three Mr Matthew Bond uh I did have a conversation with him this afternoon I went through this letter with him I made sure that he was comfortable with the application and the layout uh and he is he'd asked us to take a look at a couple of things just
to help him with you know moving his fire truck around which we agreed to do I also agreed to meet with him uh and review with him hydrant locations fire lane striping and signage and that sort of thing uh so we will be doing that but we're also going to agree to comply with his staff
report okay thank you Mr Turner uh vinaa would you like to go first with Tim okay Tim you're up I guess they're they're clearing some trees out there and there's some discussion on how many trees are going to have to be um
compensated and um so one of my comments I think there's some more room in here to to plant some of those trees if they have to you know U compensate for them um we had some discussions earlier today and I think they're willing to work with this I mean some of the issues they have to deal with is they they mentioned that
sanitary sewer easement going through there cuz there's some parking Islands in there and I we'd really like to see those things you know planted a little bit heavier and I think we can you know beef them up somewhat because it's they're not all all encumbered by that easement
um also there's there's a note in there about seeing Foundation plannings that see the architectural plans so we haven't seen those yet I don't know if they've been uh prepared but again I they're willing to work with us on that um and I guess the biggest question is
this this easement in the back this buffering um what they're proposing is uh red Cedars just a row of red Cedars which they're nice trees they're you know they'll get pretty high and and what we like to see those a little bit of variety in there just a different
heights different you know broad Le um Evergreens like in that that previous um presentation the skip laurel things a little bit different maybe some Hol in there so that was one of our suggestions and and again they've they've agreed to work with us on that but um all in all I
think it's a good plan as far as the Landscaping they're pretty thoughtful they they' put a lot in there you know you can always tweak it more and I think get more in there so okay ke you're yeah my excuse me Mr chairman my initial thought is we did have a meeting excuse me with the
applicant and their professionals uh this afternoon and actually subsequent to that meeting we updated our memo just to uh you know for the clarifications that we we we uh you're right bash yeah that's correct so the memo is actually dated February 27th based off of the the
meeting we had this uh this morning and um I did have a just a question regarding the retaining wall along the rear Scott uh again Scott also uttered the magic words of complying with our comments that's great we do have a fairly extensive review memo with regard
to some engineering comments most of which are are very much detail oriented as as you know the board members are I'm sure familiar with when you have a project of this of this scale there's going to be engineering comments but there's no engineering comments in our in our memo that uh would require any
kind of wholesale kind of changes to the plan at least uh resulting from the comments in the memo um but with regard to that retaining wall in the rear um the proximity of that wall to the property line Scott uh are you comfortable that the wall can be built within that that 10 ft that you have
we've had some other develop ments uh in town where the ret there's fairly extensive use of retaining walls um and as far as the space from the property line uh would you be able to do it without any kind of access onto the joining property to build the walls uh
as far as the reinforcement for the walls the geog grid and everything would that be able to be placed within that 10 ft and drainage and everything yes uh we are comfortable with that that geog grid general rule of thumb is you know every foot of height of wall you you have geogrid for about a foot back behind the
wall but there is geogrid reinforcement that's stronger than that that cuts that length down uh that we've used in the past when we have conditions like that uh and that's what we'll specify here uh we may even look into maybe a different type of wall that's more of a gravity wall not a concrete wall a more
decorative gravity wall because they're out there uh that maybe we don't need the geog Grid it's just too early to tell but the retaining wool is needed uh but we can do that without having any Interruption on the uh on the on our neighbor property and you're also planting the uh the red Cedars that Tim
talked about uh at the top of that wall that's correct yes is that um is that viable given the the geogrid yes I just want to just want to get on the record as well there's some detailing involved with that but but it it can it's done
goe so one of the things that we asked uh and I think you know the reaction that we got was that you're willing to work with us uh I think ven's question was regarding the that Landscaping along the rear is there in addition to the red seedar is there a possibility for us to
put some some infill uh strawberry to give some variation in height variation and obviously in species yes yeah we our plan is to intensify that area to the maximum extent we can possibly do it uh it'll be a mixture of uh Evergreens some
Shrubbery to to to you know work with that height and uh you know whatever landscape we come up with we'll work with your office make sure you're comfortable with it and you know we can kind of go back and forth a little bit until we get something every that is that is I think important uh that should
the board act favorably on this application I would want to work uh with you guys um er and myself to come up with a landscape plan that is acceptable because in the past it has so happened that these uh landscape buffers uh you
know wear out and winter time it becomes harder so we want to ensure that there is adequate screening uh in terms of visual and noise uh so we would want to work with you guys certainly and I don't I don't believe we show a fence a screen
fence at that property limit is I I I tend to kind of go back and forth whether or not a a a formal barrier of a solid fence is necessary we're we're basically screening residential to residential you know we're not building a warehouse we're not building any kind of commercial commercial or development
like that so uh we tend to try to stay away from a solid fence if we can and allow people to enjoy the landscaping that's there rather than looking at a fence and actually Scott you bring out a very good point and that was something that I was going to comment but I'll let
raes finish oh I'm I'm just about done um Peter as far as the operation of the facility we had some questions regarding how trash is handled and all that I'm guessing that uh that testimony is going to be provided by by someone else is that right or yeah yeah I think it's got gave kind of the general overview but I
think the architect might be in a better position to tell you where the units are located in the building exactly um but that's one of the reasons we have the superintendent on site to be able to take care of that yeah but I guess just to some sort of walk through as far as you know where it's going to be located you know how how would be handle for the
the residential units I understand that you have the enclosure for the clubhouse so that's as far as the actual outside trash that's pretty much going to be the extent of it the rest of it as I you know obviously based off our meting this morning as far as it would be handled internally and all that that'll be a testimony you're going to provide later
we'll provide that right just in terms of from a site planning point of view um uh Rices the there is a door uh that's you know next to the main entrance into the facility and there's a sidewalk that allows the superintendent on trash days to roll that out uh garbage will pick
that up you know in that area and then the superintendent will roll that back in until the next trash day uh there's no need for any uh any Resident or even the super to drag that trash up into the dumpster enclosure area everything will be contained immediately in front of the
buildings during trash day basically how you put your trash out at your house and everything's by private hauler is that correct everything's by private hauler yes I mean that's really the only questions I have for the applicants uh engineer for now Mr chairman um in general a lot of the deviations that we
we spoke of are really as a result of the this Redevelopment plan being more of like a 20-year-old Redevelopment plan so a lot of the those requirements are sort of out moded uh and I think Vina and the afans planner will probably speak to that a little bit more as as we get further into their testimony okay
thank you uh Vina you're up so uh I don't have a specific uh question for Scott but uh going back to the crossroads Redevelopment plan right I just want to refresh the boat's memory and right in the beginning of this meeting when I was talking about the
amendment to the crossroad Redevelopment plan um this is exactly what I was talking about that a this plan was written in somewhere around 2000 it was amended multiple times 2004 2006
2008 this property specifically was zoned as Flex district and what that meant is it at that time when this plan was being developed the birchal manor site was also being developed so this
plan intentionally creat a flex District because the Zone allows for offices it allows for Extended Stays it allows for hotels it allows restaurants uh it so it
you it allows a lot of non residential uses however uh it was designated as a flex district with an intention that maybe in future virtual manner age restricted uh development could extend
into to this property so it would be an extension of the age restricted uh development that is already exist beyond the boundaries of this Township own parcel so in that sense it is consistent
uh Scott is Right we've had numerous meetings over the last four years with the applicants team with the county because uh I know today it's not part of today's testimony but they are on County road so the applicant has been meeting
with the county to see how they can address the concerns the traffic um which will be covered later in um the public hearing but what what is being proposed is consistent with the plan
although there are a number of deviations and that is something the Board needs to remember because when the plan was written probably there was a developer uh who was interested in developing the property the style of uh
residential units was quite different you have seen with the MBM Uh Wood Haven at that time when gdps were written the Redevelopment plans were written quadruplexes were in so most of these
plans were written with quadruplexes in mind nobody's building quadruplexes anymore the style has changed the design has changed so most of these deviations that are required by the project are
actually related to a specific design of a quadruplex um this the building that is being proposed is more modern and that's why they need a couple of deviations these should not be mistaken with a variance there's a difference because this is a
Redevelopment plan when you grant um a relief it is a deviation not a variance and the proofs required are also different and joke can add to that when the planner testifies I'll have more questions uh or comments for the planner
when uh she comes to testify but should the board have any questions regarding the plan original Crossroads Redevelopment plan if the use would have been completely different then probably the Redevelopment agency the council
would have wanted to amend the plan but because what was being proposed is consistent with what existed in the plan there was no need to significantly change the uh plan per se or the Zone standards okay thank you Vina um thank
you any questions from the board to my right any questions or comments go ahead Casey I have a couple questions uh first in the beginning of your testimony you mentioned the road is private it's going to remain private uh indefinitely correct okay perfect um moving to the
wall I just want to confirm the neighbor's property is going to be higher than your property correct yes so how high was the wall the wall in the back is 8 to 10 ft tall 10t okay yeah 10 ft tall right so that's right you said
the buildings are 41 feet 7 in lower 10 so then they're 317 I'm sorry to say that again if you're looking from the neighbor's property right because the your property is going to be 10 ft lower your buildings are going to look 317 opposed
to 41 right I I just don't want to give the misconception we do have three-story buildings uh their buildings are not but their buildings do sit higher in elevation when you look at the topography from um the the two buildings in specifically are are these two
buildings here that are the closest there uh and they are they are off of Hernandez Court just for the record that's where they're located um there is a grade in the back that sort of drops off onto our property and then that
continues to drop as you get into us uh so that's the reason why we're approximately 10 feet lower than them Mr lenning to just add on to the point right I think Scott it might be really helpful because I know we're not going to conclude tonight when you come back in front of the board you should
actually do a site section that so that it helps the Board understand and the residents understand the visual difference and we can offer more comments I would um expect that you submit that section prior to the meeting
so that R and I can review it as well sure we we can do that thank you that's not a problem sorry absolutely so I know it sounds like a big number but looking out from the neighbors it's going to buildings are going to look shorter um we got that
so there's no way for us to completely eliminate The View it's a filtered View and that's that's why we use Evergreens and a mixture of type of plant materials uh so there will be a filtered view uh recycling I know you said the trash collection is going to be in the
building um how do they handle recycling uh however it's handled here in the town uh it'll be handled inside that building okay so they have like a separate Chute or something that they would utilize I would suspect so I again I'm assuming they go hand in hand they'd be treated the same way I think it would be the
same way I think they co-mingle here in this town I'm yeah we we currently have co-mingle recycling so that always interest me when uh that comes up uh that's all I have right now thank you Scott if I could just clarify a point there what is the height uh limit in the
zone for these buildings I have to look I told you 45 fet would you believe me I do believe you 45 ft that is what it is and how high are our buildings 37 ft
are they 41.5 feet zoning chart from his report 41 feet 7 Ines is what we have on The Architects plans I'm sorry okay so we are below the requirement 45t allowed we're at 41 foot7 just wanted to clarify that with your line of
questioning too many numbers in my head okay does anyone else on the board have a question a comment okay okay well here we go uh I noticed that you uh on your plans you
said that you were building 1.75 units per acre um correct let me let me confirm that with you but yeah we were at the maximum permitted okay 1.75 dwelling units per acre that's
correct now how many units are you building per usable acre in other words you the rest is all Wetland so you're not building anything on that corre so so I'd have to do the
math it should come out to about 13 units per around there roughly yeah somewhere around there okay no because the general I'm just bringing that up because the general public go well oh that's not too bad but in reality it's 13 units per usable acre not that that's
a crime or anything uh right it's a point of information right and uh the the uh the encroachment on the buffer how how far are you encroaching on that buffer uh with the
building we're encroaching 13 feet into the buffer so the back of our building is set 37 feet from the rear line and we are required to have it set back at 50 I I heard the 50 what was the first number you said so the the math 37 Feet
our building is set 37 ft off the back line okay so we're encroaching into that buffer by 13 ft okay and we you'll be actually encroaching a little bit more because you have to clear to to build the foundation right sure yeah that that
that boundary uh track perimeter buffer uh my understanding is that is for a build buing buffer not anything else Beyond just the building itself so when it's like a building setback so are you going to be able to save any of the old
growth trees within that buffer uh that's left for that or be between building the wall and uh planting The Cedars I think it was Cedars uh will any of the old growth trees
survive no reality is that the the work that needs to get done to build the building and the retaining wall and plant the trees back there uh we're we're going to be constructing up to the property limit for approximately 250 ft in the back okay okay thank you that's
all I have sorry about that did you say that traffic would be handled in a separate be able to ask questions yes okay thank yeah I know it's tricky because Texas roads County okay anybody else Eric go back to
the the buffer so you're asking for 37 instead of 50 so you're coming in 13 feet from the 50 the existing buffer you were saying on the buildings behind you are what now 20 roughly 25 to 26 ft okay
and what are you how much are you at from the cuz I'm trying to look at the plans and I guess I brought the wrong glasses today so I'm trying to I'm trying to read correctly the distance between the closest building to your building right because
obviously it's 13 fet to the property line but or 35 ft to the proper line and then another 25 ft to that back building is there has there been any conversation with the the residents out there to see how that you could buffer it even more like not the the actual
spacing but what to put there to ensure that that that they're happy as well no we have not had those conversations we have not had those conversations but the the buildings the buildings themselves our building the distance between the back
of our building and the back of the Madison Crossing building that's closest to us they're 62 ft apart uh generally we try obviously to do the best we can on our property to provide the buffers and we get reports back from the professionals and we have these
discussions in terms of what we should do to make it better and make it as best as we can and that's what we're doing Mr Turner we're getting close to the 45 minutes uh I'd like to open open it up to the public any any comments uh
P okay uh step right up um okay I might not need that okay no you no you need it yes sir yes sir uh sir before you get started keep uh please
try to keep to questions absolutely not comments but questions of this witness absolutely my name is Jack mckenery I'm a resident of oldridge for 45 years um who's with me today okay um in the meantime I have a
question for these gentlemen um I'm going to walk over here okay um from theary line so anyway from this boundary from this boundary line from this boundary line to the Leading Edge
of that building how many feet is that 37 ft 37 37 ft so that is the distance from this boundary line to that
wall so you're going to put up a am I correct you're going to put a wall a building that close to my boundary line am I right it's 37 feet from the boundary line yes hold on not to interrupt you but it just we need to pick because this is on
video it's yeah can you just please we can have I apologize no no no worries uh from the boundary line from this from this building right here this building here I don't know how carara did it Cara built this facility um but
carara built uh this house and this these houses and then they put a uh deck in the back from the Leading Edge of the deck from the Leading Edge of the deck to the boundary line is only 13 feet
somehow Cara did get a variance for that so from the Leading Edge of that deck 13 plus 37 is only going to be 50 feet you're three stories tall yes so
that means that three stories tall 50 feet away those people on the top floor have the ability to look into her dining room my bedroom I'm sorry your bed her
bedroom I I understand the concern no you don't you're not living there I I do are these questions Mr chair are you pardon are these questions Mr chair no I don't believe so you got to keep them to question yes sir I I do apologize for
that um I don't have any more questions I just want to bring up those points and thank you for the use of the microphone and thank you sir [Applause] U question okay uh we we have we're
really running short but we'll we'll I have one question fine go ahead what is the reason why you couldn't keep that 50 foot distance because if you take the exact plan and you just move it up towards Texas road you can accommodate
that that exact plan site plan and you just have a little bit less on the front Road by Texas a little bit less of your driveway and before can you just give your name for the Ricky SED thank you so I I don't understand the reason why you have
to so yeah it's a good question I understand the question and keep the exact we we did look uh and I I know you're not going to like the answer but the answer is it it really has a significant impact on the number of parking spaces we can provide is if you take this entire building and just shove
it up 13 ft we we wind up eliminating it's due to the geometry of the site and how we have to design the site to certain standards we we eliminate simply too much parking and it's all basically the the the the location of the building uh is a product of the environmental
constraints that we have to uh to design by my question then you take the from the front to the back you take the exact site plan and you're you're going to lose 10et in the front it's the same Scott could you you you you can't
move it all the way up we'd love to you can't move it forward because that brown area those trees there we can't encroach into any of that right that's correct yeah it it's just it's not as easy as just taking the whole plan and shoving
it up 13 ft to comply cuz if we would we would have everything that you're shown now with color and development there is environmentally protected land that we can't infringe upon yes we do not have I don't think we have two feet anywhere around this property where we
could do anything with the layout uh the it's in there it works it complies with all standards everything is compliant in terms of design standards uh but we we are just constrained significantly uh due to the freshwater wetlands and the
buffers okay thank you uh we possibly take a couple more questions so we got to step up to the mic please this is just for question just so everyone's aware though there will be time for all comments and testimony at the end will have that opportunity my name
iscor uh my question is about what you going to build is going to be rental or condas well with Mr cardillo's permission I would tell you that the form of ownership is is not uh something for this board to consider um but these
are proposed to be for sale but but it's a it's a constitutional issue you're not allowed to tell people whether they can rent or or buy these are proposed yeah but someone that buys it could then rent it it's an echos soical issue you're not allowed to
distinguish it a development it's a it's a it's a well I I think and I agree with you but at the same time if it is a rental apartment building versus a town home that can be addressed and that that is difference in sure and architect will describe what the building looks like and how it's laid out sure ultimate
ownership versus rental is different than the design whether it's a apartment complex versus a for sale town home right condominium type situation right okay do we have any other questions stop right up
my name is my name is Frank bendo my next president of HOA uh the HOA uh getting back to the rentals issue so if is there an HOA first an HOA Association in this development there will have to
be yes yes okay is there will there be a percentage of the homes that can be rented in those buildings I'm just not going to address the question of whether they would be rental or or for sale I can't control what someone does with
their own unit that they purchase you got ask question if I bought if I bought if I bought I'm not sure the relevance of the question Mr question is that if people own their property and use their property they take care of their property better is watchful eyes no
excuse me sir that's a comment uh you have to keep your because we're running short on time you have to keep your comments awake and keep it to questions for the witness that just Testify the question is was originally there will be no percentage
of rental against ownership that's a question isn't it Mr chairman if I may that is a question the answer is the applicant is not proposing or providing any testimony with regard to rental restrictions okay on site one you know and traffic will be on another
time another meeting and and also so with flooding and drainage will be at this time or another time this time I can address that so we know that Texas road is a very busy road and it does flood when we get heavy
rains the water is coming from that wetlands and it runs into the drainage drench on the right side of the road on the eastbound side of Texas Road and they do close Texas road down now the high point is where this entrance is to
this community and the flooding happens on both sides of that if that Road is closed how do they get emergency vehicles into this complex if they need it fire medical and police and is the
drainage going to be enough to make that Texas Road not flood that's my question or Our obligation is to Our obligation is to meet the state stand standards with regards to storm
water management uh they are going through a very thorough review currently with regards to the uh property itself and the surrounding areas uh we are also uh more than likely going to have to go through a flood Hazard analysis with the D which is really where you start to
deal with flooding issues on the property itself uh Texas Road whether it floods or not that's not we we are not in a position to fix that problem we cannot fix that problem uh all we can do is meet the requirements and comply with the standards that we are required to do
and of course the county will also have their own review of the drainage that runs along their quarter okay and I have one more question on sewage uh before they put that lateral sewage line obmua put it in from Madison Crossing we used to pump our sewage out to County to the
obmua and we've had many problems in our community now when I read the documentation that was given they're going to be pushing 8,000 gallons of sewer water into that line is that going to affect Madison Crossing to have the
proper I know maybe this may not be the answer I can't get the answer tonight but there something I want to address it's a question will that main sewer line that connects Madison crosson to the obmua sewage with this additional water
going into that sewage line is it going to be enough to handle that amount of water if we flush the tur at one time is it all going to back up that's my question the answer is it does have conveyance capacity for the Madison Crossing development as well as this
development uh we've had our meetings with uh Michael Roy at the obmua and I can tell you with certainty that he would not allow us to even contemplate the connections if it weren't a viable connection Point okay and I have one more question I'll I'll sit down we talked about the retaining
wall along that edge in the in the plans they only showed for four trees for buffer in that area it sound like we're going to get a lot more hopefully the other part is I live backed up to the Woodlands that Wetlands on Seaman Court
which is a little bit distance uh West and when I walk down that slope into the wetlands there are days I cannot walk down because it's full of water and and it's wet and it's dangerous now we talked about the height of the elevation
of our property just opposed to the retaining wall now that slope is going to run water towards this development over that retaining wall and could compromise that that retaining wall someone should look at that I heard a
lot of talk about this retaining type wall that type of retaining wall this type of retaining wall which retaining wall is going to be in place because if it falls down it's going to be a problem okay thank you very much time thank
you [Applause] that's yeah so we're uh we're out of time for this application for this evening uh I believe um uh we've finished with the the direct testimony of this witness so you will be will you
be Pro providing providing excuse me your additional Witnesses at the next hearing that this is being carried to yes the next witness would be the architect followed by traffic and then plan and just out of curiosity would you still be would the applicant be willing to have their engineer uh come to the next hearing as well just in case there
are any followup questions since we are I may even call Scott for a little more direct depending on you basic we just in case because we had limited time here uh in case there are some questions that we didn't get to of the public of the engineer I'll have my professionals at every one of these me I appreciate that
thank you that's what we're saying I was saying he's willing to bring his witness back to for the next hearing so they can ask additional questions that's all we have the time we have for this hearing for this application tonight V when is this going to be carried to okay
327 all right so uh so the members of the public so you can hear this hearing is being carried to the March 27th planning board hearing that's the next planning board SCH regular scheduled planning board hearing uh for this board it's a Thursday March 27th so that is
when this hearing will continue the applicant will present more Witnesses that's that's how the land that's how the land use process works in New Jersey excuse me excuse me so my understanding about this meeting today
was that there were three items on the agenda first item are we the third item no you you were the second you're the second you're the second we still have another this part of you are the second this was the second item we have a third application that we have to start after this and we
promised them 45 minutes so that's why we have to end this it's not we're ending because we're a juring we have another application to come in to be heard that's up to you that I'm not telling you what you have to do but that's that's fine that's fine but that's when this hearing is going to continue want to speak to to to present
our point of view our concerns that's true wait wait wait wait wait is this Joe Joe I don't that's without further notice we have
three speakers thank you have a good evening we have three speakers with a page and a half that we' like to say that the public comment where the public gets to not just ask questions is at the end of the hearing so this might not even complete obviously we have lots of questions come up they have number of
witnesses that's going to still come the next hearing it might not complete at the next hearing we might not get they may this may get carried to a further public hearing it's just how the land process Land Development process works in New Jersey we we will try to get through it the next hearing but it might not happen and that means the public comment might not happen until the
following public hearing be have an organized discussion right now no for three minutes each no no no no that's not it's a specific process that to has to be followed for land use for for whether a denial or an approval to be upheld if you want to hear
opinion you're going to be easier for you next time no it it no that's not how it works it's not how it works how many people I he a senior citizen I understand that I I've been before many planning boards this happens I'm sorry that that that
it's it's a burden but that's just how the process works in New Jersey you know what guidelines are nice but guidelines some happens Joe not nice no no no we can't we can't
mayor we can't AC we can't accept statements because it's okay no way that they can't [Music] move thank God you're me because they want to
to question I can hide behind [Music] get out [Laughter] we're gonna have to yeah yeah we have to we're unofficially where's my still we've been moving pretty well
no I know it's not your fault right that's why I try to explain I don't know if I was clear enough next let let me hold on is that all right well well if they they can't be working for the town and the dot at the same time if that's what you're asking I might be
confused okay what color was it would you might be able to asking about a street marking oh there you go Frank I was just looking around I was like let you guys set up
another met 70 units right no it's because it's uh now we're talking now I know every e e welcome Mr
Petrino you can start we're ready uh Mr chairman uh on the next application do you mind if I may u a quick introduction U of the history of this this application uh this next application which is the alfair Oldbridge Associates LLC the green at
Oldbridge uh is coming towards us while uh through a settlement agreement through the courts and a consent order this matter is is originally was part of the uh settlement agreement between uh the township and various developers and fair share housing back in 2015 relating
to the borrow excuse me the Township's compliance which a third round obligation uh this was one of the develops that was developments excuse me that was included in that um that settlement agreement uh the township was uh you know through the courts if anyone's aware the third round
obligation was uh uh quite litigious it went through the courts uh there was a lot of uh uh you know back and forth between municipalities specifically even Oldbridge and developers and fair share as to what the obligation number is what development should be incl included how
they should be developed and uh uh it was only through uh the you know the Court's involvement and through settlement that it was able that the township was uh uh you know meet its compliance through this uh settlement agreement uh since then uh the settlement agreement has been modified
and amended there's been subsequent litigation and this application before us is through that settlement process uh it is something coming to us what was called a Whispering Woods hearing which is a hearing before the board uh to ratify a settlement agreement
between uh an applicant and a uh and a planning board or zoning board however in this case it is a little bit different because in this case uh there was no full application heard before the board uh we had only gotten through I believe and Mr patrino can correct me if
I'm wrong but I believe it was just through our architectural testimony and original uh uh presentation uh when um we were uh the board was had had to make a vote on the application and it couldn't vote in favor of it or and it was forced to vote against it because of those circumstances that was presented
so that went through the court and so now while this is a Whispering Woods hearing it's still going to be presented with all the testimony in support of it as if it was just a uh an initial site plan application uh before us tonight is a is is only the preliminary this is not for preliminary and final at this time
this is only preliminary subdivision and site plan application um for before the board which means it's it's just has to meet a it doesn't have to get through through all of the specifics of the uh of of the um development which will be
addressed at final uh but it does me to meet the the uh standards set forth in the ML and the consent order we've had uh numerous uh technical uh Review Committee me meetings with the applicant and the board's professionals to go over
uh not just the application but procedural procedures how we're going to be handling this application because it is a large application and it's something that's very important to the board because it is a requirement for affordable housing this is not necessarily something that the the township would saying yes you know this is you know we we we Redevelopment the
site just on our own this was part of a settlement agreement based upon the third round mandate upon the municipality um at so at this time uh I believe we're going to hear um some um introductory testimony from the applicant as well as hearing from the
applicants and architect again uh they are not going to be presenting some of the technical engineering testimony tonight and I just want to give the board a head heads up on that and members of the public so there might be some questions that you have that we're not going to get to tonight but it doesn't mean we're not going to get to it it's all going to be addressed as
part of this application because like I said even though it's a Whispering Woods we are having full testimony before the board because the board has to hear it to make sure it works even though this is a settlement agreement and it was uh you know part of a a concept plan that was attached to the consent order it still has to work and that's what this
board's jurisdiction is is to make sure it works in compliance with our laws our ordinances and the terms of the settlement agreement so at that I will turn it over to uh Mr chairman with your permission turn it over to uh Mr patrino to uh present the application and start
the process thank you go ahead M oh yeah Frank Frank you gotta press the bottom button till it turns green it just yeah where it says push and then it should turn there you go oh okay thank you again uh for the
record my name is Frank patr with the law firm of eard Seamans we represent the applicant alery Oldbridge Associates uh this matter U was before you on January 13th but um other than taking
jurisdiction and continuing the hearing to tonight uh no testimony was presented at that time um so just very briefly the property that we're talking about is approximately 95 acres in size uh it's
in the M mu zoning District it's designated as an inclusionary development in the Township's Court approved housing element and fair share plan and also uh Court approved settlement agreement between a number of
developers the township and fair share housing center this property has Frontage on both Lawrence Harbor uh Matan Road and Beyond The Avenue it's designated on the Township tax map as
block 2150 Lots uh 4.11 and 6.13 and as best I could tell I didn't I couldn't find street addresses for the uh uh property properties
um we were here in and I don't know if how many members of the board were here them in De member of uh 22 the application was denied the big issues at that point uh were uh
phasing uh when the residential could be built uh and whether they could be all built uh before uh certain non-residential improvements were constructed and also uh and I always uh say that Vena
was our was the champion for this um there were units on this site that were uh below and I'm going to say um south of whale Creek although um I'm told that that's not entirely
accurate it could be West but I'm going to say south of uh whale Creek based upon uh my idea that Parkway is a North South Road so um board did not like the fact that um uh uh some of the units
were below whale Creek and that uh people could not get to that lived in the that part of the site could not get to the wreck facilities that were north of whale Creek if they were on the south side and they had to
actually go out of their development on Beyond and go on in roads local roads in order to get to the section that was north of uh whale Creek so that was part
of the litigation so in one litigation uh there was a um an order entered with the township um because it was part of the declaratory judgment action that was the action that approved the uh fair share plan and the
settlement agreement in that in that settlement agreement alfiri agreed to move all all the units north of the of whale Creek and the township agreed uh with the phasing that all of the residential could be built um and not be
phased over over time with uh development of some of uh the non-residential the second uh um lawsuit related to the denial on December in December of
22 and that resulted in a uh in the um consent order that attached a concept plan and then that order uh was entered in October of 2024 and brought us back here for a
Whispering Woods hearing uh to review and hopefully approve a 529 unit inclusionary development and I'm leading from the language of the order consistent with the concept site plan uh
and as you'll hear from my engineer Mr kacher CER cachera I'm sorry um we believe our um U preliminary plan that we've submitted is consistent with the concept
site plan attached to that consent order so um the application just uh just remind everyone on the bo board uh that was here and for the people that weren't here what we're seeking is plary
subdivision approval to divide the property into three lots um lot a uh is where the residental units will be constructed it's probably approximately 65
acres uh Lot B uh 25 acre lot uh which will be uh developed in the future not part of this subdivision not part of this site plan application as you would say then there's a lot C that's approximately 4 and a half acres um on
which a parking lot for the Bridgepoint condominium folks will be built um and uh that lot will be turned over to them in construction in connection with the lot C subdivision uh it that lot is a
non-conforming lot and requires variances for lot area and lot coverage um preliminary site plan for phase one on Lots A and B is requested to construct a 529 unit inclusion area
residential development of three and four story apartment buildings you'll see uh those later tonight um um that includes 423 market rate units and 106
low moderate income units um and various site improvements I won't go into all that now when we come back and have the more technical uh presentation we'll go through all the site improvements and the parking
layouts uh the utilities uh uh Landscaping lighting uh but that's tonight that we won't go into that great of a detail on Lot B the only
uh thing that's requested as part of cyan approval is a detention Basin that will serve the residential units on lot a and again on Lot C uh we're proposing a uh surface uh parking lot of between
30 and 50 spaces that Al Fury pursuant to a separate agreement with the condo association uh will uh convey to the bridg point uh condominium um
so what I'd like to do is ask our engineer to take you through the just show you the evolution of the plans from what was before you and denied in December of 2022 and how that's evolved over time
and then our architect is also here uh to show you the product that's proposed on this property and I think you'll be uh very happy to see the the uh the quality of what's being proposed by the alfery organization so uh Mr chairman
and I don't think you will if unless you have questions for me I'd ask that our engineer uh be sworn in and sworn at and uh and he can take us through his testimony I just have a few questions
for him before I let him uh free okay um would you raise your right hand I would do you swear or affirm the testimony going to give this evening is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you redeem can you just State your full name for the
record be complicated uh my name is radim kuchera r a d i m k u c r a I'm a principal of uh civil engineering company U called civil and environmental engineering Incorporated
okay redeem would you just indicate your educational background uh and uh uh what licenses you hold in New Jersey and are those licenses current I graduated from the uh College
back in Czechoslovakia in Prague in 1980 uh moved to United States in 1988 obtain my uh license uh roughly right around 1994 and been practicing civil engineering ever since never testified
in front of this board okay yet T I throughout the New Jersey elsewhere so uh Mr chairman will you offer yes you're accept it okay thank you redeemed before before I let you loose let me just ask you several questions although I might
be able to wait until the next hearing but I might as well put it on the record now did you prepare or supervise the preparation of the preliminary uh subdivision and preliminary site plans for the green at Oldbridge dated June 28
2024 a total 16 sheets I did okay and did you prepare or supervise the pr pres preparation of the storm water management report dated December 15 2021 yes I did and did you prepare the
addendum to that report dated June 15 2000 uh um uh June 15 2020 last revised June 28 2024 yes I did and did you prepare supervised the preparation of the
operation and maintenance manual um last Revis June 28 2024 yes I did okay if you could take us through the evolution of uh the plan to where we are today yeah my my task tonight is
actually to compare the uh previously denied application in terms of technicalities and what we intend to present the board with uh today and how it actually evolved as you've heard uh from Mr patrino in 2022 we submitted
full set of almost full set of plans uh for this uh preliminary preliminary major subdivision and S plan application and uh all the technicalities of it I I think would be boring you if I started talking about acreages and everything else I'll just
point um at the plan what you're looking at can you just U um that's better indicate the name and date of the plan that would not be I can't really okay so according to this paper
the concept site plan dated September 5th 2023 and it was attached no no no no no no the overall layout plan dated December 5th 2021 right that's what we looking at and does that show units on
both uh sides of I would just you know for the for the benefit of the board to for orientational purposes to show you this is the Garden State Parkway you heard from Mr patino talking about Maran wrote there's a ramp not shown on this
plan serving uh connection between Maran Road and Garden State Parkway Northbound and Beyond the road is actually on the other side of the whale Creek which runs
through the property in its South norly Direction uh you heard that the entire tract is composed of three lots these are lot six 13 41 and 513 all
together uh composed of roughly 95 Acres the first step of the plan development was to subdivide these 95 Acres into three lots lot a
which uh is roughly taken you know this this this portion of of the of the property and that's there was to house uh 529 units 423 of those uh were supposed to be
Market units and the remaining 106 were to be inclusionary housing units um the the property was proposed to be accessed off of modan road right across from the ramp existing ramp serving uh
Garden streate Parkway uh the other potential emergency access was proposed to be via portion of our property which is this lot uh uh I believe the that's uh
that's still lot 411 and we call it Lot C in our subdivision but there's an existing boulevar type Road serving the bridg point development this darker like a leg looking thing is
actually emergency emergency access to this property the the biggest difference as Mr Petrino indicated before between this plan and plan we are about to uh introduce to you was that the
development was uh split into two parts this was the part to be built to the west of whale Creek and these two buildings on the other side were to
house about 52 uh haai units and these two buildings would have an specific access of of beyond the uh beyond the road that didn't fly and that was one of the major reasons you know why this was not really uh well uh accepted by by the
board and by board professionals uh technicalities of it yes we going to be serving this prop we were to serve the property with water so sanitary sewer and so on and so forth and as far as Stone waterer management
we develop system of uh basins there was a dry Basin at Lot B uh the wet pond on lot a another wet pond on lot a as well so it's like a cascading situation from
one Pond to another and then back to the whale Creek um I can talk about kafra kafra briefly briefly that you know at the time we actually applied to njd
for so-called cfra permit and we obtained uh in you know that that U uh that permit around 2023 so this would be in general uh what the original plan was
proposing um I think that the architect can talk more about you know what type of buildings but you will be more interested on you know in what the new new plan is actually suggesting in terms of uh architectures do you have any question go to the um concept plan that
was con plan yeah they would and Mr patrino just for recordkeeping purposes that was part of the site plan that was originally submitted with the application so it's not that necessary to identify that as a separate exhibit you know as part of the to unless you wanted to I mean I I no I think when we come back we'll be more concerned about
identifying her that's what I was thinking I just wanted to check with you and then the um uh second exhibit will be the concept site plan dated September 523 attached to the uh consent order
entered on September 6 September 3 I should say 2024 yep is that it that's the that's the concept prepared by Mino and Wasco Architects uh uh as you can see I I hope you can you can tell that the uh access
point Remain the no Remains the Same uh again straight across of the Garden State Parkway ramp but the angle somewhat of the entire the entire s plan
somewhat changed from straight down to like a perpendicular to uh Maran Road and also the individual houses were to surround or are surrounding uh like a green areas within that
development uh the clubhouse area changed its location and it's now proposed closer to the uh to the whale Creek but the major major change uh the biggest one was actually that we eliminated or this plan
eliminates um any development from the easterly side of of whale Creek and so all the houses including inclusionary housing are dispersed within lot uh
about a on the Westerly side of the creek can I stop me for one second yep if you can you just point out uh where Lot C is and where the parking lot would be that the lot SE is actually in this
right upper corner of this of this plan and the agreed upon parking yielding 50 parking stalls is to be built at this location thank you okay again uh I don't want
to kind of bother you with the uh statements like water and sewer will be provided obviously and so on and so forth the most important part of it is that the stor waterer management system stays almost untouched again we
talking about three ponds located on Lot B A and A one is the dry Pond two of them are w ponds and the pond which used to serve uh the development on the easterly side
of whale Creek was completely eliminated that was uh uh bio retention Basin which is obviously not needed anymore uh another Advantage is that there are no there's no need for any crossing of the
stream which obviously is surrounded by wetlands and you know flood plane and uh these envirment Al environmentally um I would call sensitive areas so that's completely eliminated yet the three basins
originally uh proposed on this side they remain the same and we'll have more detailed testimony about that be later on redeem do you want to bring up the uh preliminary site plan that we submitted to the board in June of 24 yes they what
you're G be looking at is basically this plan this this U this layout just brought up to the rsis standards residential uh requirement
standards and it this makes me feel good Joe that a young guy has trouble with techn techology because I have trouble with technology so I'm I'm Dan you've made my
night and I lost my line what just kidding I get that all kill myself it's probably the fourth one in that list I think it's a yeah that's it no overall layout plan 20 I think it's four
2023 green it is Yes actually okay number four yeah can you sorry Dan if you need help I'm here for you I can go home okay so what what you're looking at
is actually you know civil engineering drawing uh just adding details as per the I Isis and your and your ordinance requirements otherwise same thing couple details in terms of intersections and
and you know straightening out certain parking parking details but otherwise same thing uh this plan shows actually uh residential development on Lot B and it also shows in accordance with the og5
uh okay I'm sorry uh this plan shows on the uh Lot B the residential development all 5 529 units and also shows on on the uh Lot B the commercial development in
accordance with the og5 zone as per Township you know zoning requirements as I said before that's not part of this application so we have one more exhibit if Dan can pull it up for
us there you go and while he's doing that just to clarify that last uh exhibit that we saw is actually page six of 16 of the site plan that was submitted so we don't need to mark that as a separate no we yeah just just for record keeping purpose okay there you go okay oh yeah and this
is uh the same plan uh only the commercial development is not is not shown and again we deem the only thing on B that is part of this application is the uh detention Basin correct because that serves the residential development
on parcel a these yes these three basins uh are like a cascading from one to another and they have to be built at the same at the same time okay regardless of the development on not be Mr chairman it would be for me Mr
chairman um we really don't have anything further on the uh engineering at this point we learn later on at the end of this that uh this hearing is going to be and I only know this because
we've had a couple of trc's or drc's whatever uh that this hearing has to be continued until uh I think May 19th when all of the detailed uh engineering will be presented to the
board but I would like to bring up because I think this is something that you'll uh appreciate saying our uh architect so he can take you through and show you the buildings that are proposed
including uh some of the recreational facilities that are being proposed and Mr chairman if I can just add I know uh earlier we've been doing public uh questions of the witnesses after witness here for this one because the that witness is really going to be
coming back to do the detailed version of that we're going to just do public questions of the witnesses at the end with both of them together so members of the public you will tonight have a qu chance to to question both of these Witnesses however it is limited to what they testified tonight so that will be the limited engineering and then the the
architectural testimony we're hearing now but we you will have an opportunity tonight to make your questions of those two when he comes when the engineer comes back to provide detailed testimony you'll be have the time to opportunity to ask any questions you want regarding engineering at that
point different Mr Mr patrola um just so you know um I'm stopping any testimony at 10:15 to give the 10:15 to give the uh public chance days so just so you
know why don't we start with the uh rendered site PL sure s yeah let me just would you please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give this evening is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you okay please state your name and spell for the or state your name for the record my name
is Jack raker r a k r Jack uh by whom are you employed and in what capacity I'm a principal at minow and Wasco Architects and planners and what is your educational background in architecture and what licenses do you
hold in the state of New Jersey and are they still current I have a bachelor of architecture from the New Jersey Institute of Technology uh I am a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey and it is current have you appeared before this board a board of adjustment here in Oldbridge okay but uh
again Mr chairman we offer uh Jack as an expert in architect accepted Jack one question did you prepare a supervise the preparation of the architectural plans prary site plan submission the green at Oldbridge dated August 29 2024 17 sheets
I did okay can we have you have his uh yeah can we have the second one which is a rendered site plan oh that's the false no no it's the next sheet should be the
next sheet yeah should be yes submission presentation I think that's it yes huh there you go thank thank you Jack what is this so what we're looking at is a colored version a rendered
colored version of the site plan the engineer site plan with Landscaping added um we've colored the green areas for the grass areas so you can get a sense of how much green is on this property just going to point so as the engineer pointed out earlier we have a
perpendicular access nice Boulevard it access off of mwan Road um we have nice green uh Island in between between and we have buildings flanking either side that access terminates in a nice big Park area and on the opposite side of
the Park area we have our amenity space we have our amenity Clubhouse and a lot of amenities I'm going to go in I have a detailed slide of that area I'll review that shortly but what thing to note here is we have two types of buildings we have building a and we have Building B
Building B is a three-story building it's um not an elevator serve building it's a walk up building and then building a is an elevator serve building that building has tuck under garages uh at the back it's like individual garages
that you could just drive your car into has like a regular garage door like a residential garage door and you just pull in and then there's an internal hallway that you can access I'll bring up a plan shortly we go that a four story building that is a four-story building both buildings comply with the
height the building the four-story buildings 55 ft which where 60 ft is allowed and the three-story building is 50 ft where 60 ft is allowed next slide please we got eight minutes right so
this just real quick this is just a plan of that four-story building units along front we try to keep this to the public side of the project then you pull around back there's all the individual garages that allow you to access the inside of the building take an elevator up to your
level um there's driveways behind and then there's parking most of the parking is behind the buildings go to the next perspectives yeah just real quick uh Upper Floor where the units go out over the garages there's units up above you can go to the
next slide this is the smaller three-story building two stair towers that access there is no elevator in this building it's just a walkup building next this is the club and amenity area we're going to do lots of amenities here we're going to have um
there'll be a fitness center uh co-work space there'll be Club rooms um and on the outdoor we're going to have grilling stations uh there'll be a multi-use sport court play areas for kids uh there'll be a pool lounging areas lot of
really high-end amenes that you expect in a luxury apartment community we really want to focus the you can go to the that next slide we want to focus all of that amenity in that location so this view you see to the right this
is the three-story garden apartment building that flanks the entry this is the Boulevard and entry nice green space in the center you drive in on this side out on the other side each side is one way but you can see the well-appointed materials uh on we're going to do
sementi siding and the and the materials I speak to are the same on both buildings they have a very similar aesthetic we're going to use semanti siding um cast stone material uh for the the stone look um we'll have metal accent materials metal railings uh for
roof detail areas just to bring your eye as as you look at these buildings you can the metal accents and the details will catch your eye next slide please this view is to the right here is our large green space so to the right is
where that Boulevard Terminus uh ends and this is the four-story building similar materials the the stone the the uh the fiber cement siding metal accent roofs on the corners to really bring your eye up to some of those spots uh
Nice metal railings in the balconies lots of glass lots of uh areas where we get some extra height in some of the some of the units to get some extra transom Windows um we think it's going to be really exciting really nice project and then next slide this this is
simply the other side these are how the buildings flank that nice green space so you have lots of nice visual down into that green space notice there's not an immense amount this is not a big parking lot it's just some parking on one side some parallel parking on the other and
most of the parking is in the back where the garages uh are for the building creates a really nice streetscape um we're really excited about this uh this project that's that's
it okay thank you uh our professionals uh any comments I don't have any questions Mr chairman no I don't either at this timea I don't have any questions okay
Eric any questions or comments okay okay go ahead you guys went really fast tonight are we going to get another I'm sorry if you can't hear me you guys went really fast zipping through them at a later date are we going to be able to go through them a
little bit slower oh yeah okay perfect just wanted to make sure thank you yeah Mr chairman if I can to to the board members this was supposed to be designed to be like an introductory type presenting and then we're going to get into the details at the at the following hearing where we're going to get into you know the nuts and bolts of the application but we wanted to just make
sure so I wanted to make that you know you heard the professionals say have no qu no comments on questions tonight that's because of what it's designed at the that you there will be questions comments with regard to this okay go ahead just for the record just to make sure that folks know the
when we denied it um I guess 18 months ago or whatever back the the buildings that were on Beyond were supposed to be 100% affordable which was one of the reasons why that we objected to it so I just want to make sure that that that we're on the record and saying that is that we wanted to ensure that it was
everything was mixed in together and by putting affordable units by themselves and then in essence going out of through beyond the yeah you're more or less even though you're traveling on the road you're going out of the county back into our County and town to
get to the amenities so that was one of the reasons I just want to make sure that we clarified that for record okay thank you uh now we will open up to questions of the two witnesses that we previously had and please members of the public
this is questions of the testimony that was presented tonight you'll have opportunity to question the witnesses when they provide further testimony at a a a subsequent hearing and at the end of the whole application you will have General comment period in testimony you can provide documents testimony whatever
you want at that point but right now this purpose right now is to ask any questions of the witnesses based on their testimony this evening step right up we have some concerns um due to the first can you please state your name for the record
Andrew linan and bridg point resident thank you we had some questions and concerns about um the water mains the issues that we currently have at Bridge Point with excessive amount of water main
breaks and it seems as though we're finding coincidence and we can't say 100% for sure at this point but we're finding coincidences when there seems to be a water main break in close proximity
to us within usually within 48 to 72 hours subsequent to that we have water main Brakes in our community so what kind of strain is that going to put on bridg point a system that's obviously
already taxed well uh I don't believe there was any testimony tonight about water mains but I'm I'm sure um in further further testimony when we have the next meeting that can be
discussed yeah I think you might not not to to break you might not get your answer tonight but I think the fact that you brought it up tonight is important because now the engineer has heard it and they'll be able to answer it when they provide that testimony also I've been in contact with the are you you were the association yes yeah I've been
in contact with the attorney for the association we've talked about two issues so far and I'll add this to the list because I'm not understand I don't think our water system and Bridgepoint water system are going to connect so I'm not sure what what the
okay well I'll talk to Mr melenic and he'll explain it to me you know and we'll talk about it before the next per he's m mic is very well versed on it as well you have a good lawyer yeah he's
versed on he's very well versed on any other questions step right up hi Kathy reek um Hannah Lane and Bridgepoint just a general question we always get certified letter
I'm in that in that dis distance where we're supposed to be getting a certified letter when this property comes up for discussion those certified letters did not go out they went out for last month's meeting where you withdrew from the agenda we did not get a certified
letter for here um so please next time make sure we get certified letters when you're coming up to the for the agenda I if I may address that chairman that that just just to clarify they provided the the you only have to provide the certified letter on the initial hearing date you don't get them for every
hearing so they provide the the certified letters for the January hearing date at that time they didn't actually it was still on the agenda it was on the agenda I I made an announcement that it's being carried without further notice meaning no further certified letters no not further
notice was being provided to this meeting at the end of this meeting we're going to provide that same announcement that it's going to be carried to the May meeting without further notice required now if they don't attend the May meeting and they do withdraw then it does will
require new notice to be provided for when that application but as long as notice is provided at the hearing the announcements made when it's being carried to you don't actually get additional certified notice for each me meeting you just you the notice or the
announcement excuse me at the hearing is that notice that you're getting all right thank you for the clarification I I will at the I will at the end of this hearing David mwin lence haror my questions are for Mr patrino as far as I knew this was going
to be a whole new application process apparently there has been uh some deals that were made on the you know down below that uh you know that this is not a whole new
application well uh Mr chairman if if I could say what I announced at the beginning is even though it is a settlement Whispering Woods it is being handled as if it's a whole new application and all that testimony is going provided yes they're not filing a new application fee they're not getting a new application number but it is being
treated as if it was a new application before this board all right well that that's not my concern this is for Mr patrino is this not the same project that was approved in about I don't know around 2010 by this planning
board that that allowed for don't say no that allowed for like 129 apartments two Office Buildings a parking deck and a hotel there were approvals in
2009 but totally different like I said 20110 or so so it's well it's not a tot it's the same application different numbers that's all just different numbers there's just I know there's different numbers on certain things is this not the same
project that you and your client sued the township of Oldbridge on staging yes we talked about did this not go to the New Jersey state supreme court and was upheld for the
township that what well if you don't like the answer that I give well I I I well don't I I would like the the truthful answer did this not go to the New Jersey state supreme court on the staging aspect sir sir I've been doing
this for 50 years okay and I always am accurate in my responses there were two court orders entered two consent orders entered one in the declaratory judgment action which resolves the phasing issue
I can give you a copy of the order if you want it okay I think I have an extra copy and the Cure prevailed on the phasing right it was the subject of a consent order so the down should Prevail on its phasing the planning board put a
phasing aspect on the original approval Mr chairman if I may uh I I think there's misstatements being stated or confusion I should say being stated the phase there was a phasing schedule in the original settlement agreement entered into might have been I said think might earlier might have said 2015
I think it was 2017 that was entered the 2009 the original settlement agreement that provided and there was certain phasing in there that requir that after a certain number of residential development then the office had to be developed when this uh the original
application was denied there was two appeals filed one challenging the denial challenging against the board and then one motion seeking to enforce L against rights against the township with regard to seeking amendments of the settlement that settlement agreement with regard to
phasing that resolved know neither one went to the Supreme Court both of them were at the law division at the Superior Court the both of them resolved by way of consent order I I was representing I was party representing the board in both of those applications so I I very much aware with that that's the later one the
original one I'm talking about the 2009 approval well on the staging the original staging on the 2009 approval oh okay I I'm confused cuz I and I think Mr vrina was also thinking you were talking about the most more recent in 209 we
we're we're 29 units maybe of residential units two Office Buildings a parking deck and a hotel were approved along with the staging the widening of the
Parkway bridge to two traffic lights on one on each side of the Parkway bridge they were all part of the staging and that is the uh and now we're getting here now he's talking about no staging at all he's not he's talking about no no
no commcial 2009 2010 is not applicable to this application nor the underlying application anymore it's a new application that was entered that was filed based upon the settlement entered into 2017 based upon the third round affordable housing compliance that prior
approval any litigation any phasing that is not applicable anymore before this board where where was Al veryy part of the original intervenor um lawsuit that was mentioned by Mr Patrina
okay the 2009 approvals that that's not to this have nothing to do with the lawsuits and the staging requirement I'm going to give you these orders so you can educate yourself okay very good the
uh the staging requirement that was in the housing element fair share plan and the settlement agreement uh was the issue that was raised in at the hearing in 20122 we asked that that be modified the
board refused at the time and then entered into a settlement agreement uh the township entered into a settlement agreement amending the staging requirement and I'm going to I'm sorry your question Merwin I'm I'm going to
give this gentleman both orders so he can see where the staging um aspect of this was changed um and I'm going to mark it for you uh I'm I'm just trying to get on the record of of of where we were and where
we are well that's what I'm trying to and believe me they're they're miles and miles apart the town's getting screwed right there's no doubt that the town is getting screwed royally and and just Mr chairman just a
point of order I I understand what you're St you're stating uh one just a point of order this is supposed to be questions of these Witnesses we're way outside the scope we we we're trying to give the information you're you're you're you're asking about but it is outside the scope of what this questioning is supposed to be at this point in the process testimony to
beginning I'm questioning him I don't testify right it's it's the it's you don't get to cross-examine the attorney you get to ask questions of the witnesses and the Witnesses were the architect and the engineer but that being said we're trying to get you the information you're asking for just for the board's Ed edification that what
some of the uh what is being questioned about in regarding to the 2009 2010 approval is not something that this before this board's right now that whatever was approved back then is absolutely changed and it's not relevant to this application based upon the 2017
settlement in compliance with the third round that's what this board is has to comply with is the the current zoning and the current application based upon those two we can't look back to what happened back in 2009 it's not relevant to what this board has to consider in
connection with this application okay I I just want to I I need to make sure we want to get you the information and the knowledge you need but we also want to make sure the board understands I'm just going to give to the um gentleman here the uh order entered on January 2
2024 that discusses the staging issue that he's asked about so that and app back you you can call me and I'm happy to talk to you about I appreciate and then here's a consent order in September of 2024 which talks about the consent plan
which is what we're you know we're talking about here tonight again when you read them you have questions give me a call now I believe it was this gentleman that was testifying as to the heights of the uh uh the stories of the building we're going to have how many
three-story walk UPS could you go back to the site plan I I don't recall the number of buildings oh I mean the the site plan in my set the color one I think it's the second sheet yeah the rendered site
plan there you go we're going to have seven three story walk-ups okay three story why I do we have any concern about the EMS work in town that's that's a
height you no these buildings are built all over New Jersey and they comply with all the state standards but nobody concerns themselves with the EMS they got to climb up with the stretches and everything else and take the people down the stairwells are sized appropriately thank you um are there any other
questions for this witness and the previous witness I step you got to come up to the microphone please my name ises Gomez I live in hrrest Avenue I'm behind the church up in Lawrence Harbor my concern is about
the traffic flow if there's an accident on 935 or the parkway it flows back into the harbor which is a massive tie up and I live on one of the side streets if we come up it takes me 20 minutes on a normal time to get into onto Lawrence
Parkway now with this massive project coming in in these buildings what is it going to do is there going to be some other way for us to be able to alleviate some of this traffic look you got all these buildings coming in now it's going to be another hour before I have to get out to go to work if route n9ine there's
an accident which there's always an accident there they're off shooting at 34 to come to the parkway or at the 35 go up north what is what what's what's the solution for this oh go ahead Mr chairman I was just going to say there will be an a
subsequent hearing and an expert that the applicant's going to present is a traffic expert who's going to try their testimony is why how they think the traffic is going to work and the effect is going to happen this board will question that cross-examine them him or her and find out you know their concerns and then you'll be able to ask the same
questions of that traffic but there will be testimony by a specific witness will testify how the traffic is going to work within the site and how it's going to affect the neighboring intersections and roadways big time because it's one in and one out at 40 miles and even some places 25 and 35 depending on the flow
and where you're at and then you have an Ingress and Ingress for a school in that area too right so we just don't have the testimony before the board yet but once they once the applicant brings that brings that witness I don't know it's going to be at the next hearing or or not when when we get to that witness then you'll will'll hear that testimony
you might disagree with it you might agree with it or might answer some of your questions not all and you'll have an opportunity to question that witness at that time okay thank you very much can I just say that you and I think this is accurate our traffic uh assessment
traffic impact study all this is on the website and the um uh Improvement plans to Matan so I don't know if you have access but you can go on the website and you can see what improvements are uh
proposed two new traffic signals um and you can you can read the traffic report so it'll give you more information so that but you you aware that's a one Road in and one road out we're I'm I'm literally between 35 and
120 exit so if there's anything going on I'm trapped and it's almost 20 to 30 minutes to get in and out same thing with emergency vehicles coming in and out police vehicles that's what we're concerned about okay and again I don't know okay I mean it's a lengthy report
but I don't know if I will go on and look at it yes yeah it might it might answer some of your questions okay Mr Mr patrola we're going to adjourn the meeting so well uh yes sorry Mr chairman I just just for for record purposes um I
think we've concluded if you agree with your testimony this evening and the the questions of the witnesses that were presented this meeting is going to be carried and beinga do do we have confirmation is it being carried to 19 the 19th is that the so uh I think um
the scheduled on the calendar we have a planning board meeting at May on May 22nd um I was going to send out an email to the board asking if instead of May 22nd we could have the meeting on May
19th which is a Monday uh only because it's closer to Memorial Day and unfortunately I cannot make it I don't want to miss this meeting so it's a request so uh May 19th instead of the
22nd yes okay um anybody well it's a little I guess a little early to well Mr chairman we need to to make that decision now to know when we're carrying it whether we're carrying it to the 22nd or whether they're carrying it to the 19th okay and and I think what the
request was is from our planner is that she wouldn't be able to be there the 22nd so it's requesting would the board be willing uh open to rescheduling it to the 19th instead so that we can have all of our professionals when this application moves forward it's a Monday Monday Monday the 19th so is a show a
hands or how yes show a hands is are you okay Casey okay for that oh okay Casey I'm good I think's checking okay okay so it seems like everyone is
good for the 19th so for the public this application is being carried without further notice to a special date of May 19th uh um you will get notice because the meeting is not going to be in the previously from the township just that
the pinning board meeting is going to be on a special date the 19th versus the 22nd but you won't get specific notice from the applicant like you were ref referencing before excuse me so this is your notice now that this hearing is going to be carried and heard um just as
as we discussed at the Monday May 19th planning board hearing which will be a special hearing of the planning board and it's starts at 7:30 so um just a quick thing so for the folks that are listening folks that are here what was was being said earlier if you want
to look at the plans for this or any application if you go on to the Township's website and you go to the planning um it's al.com planning you'll see agendas and you'll see the all of the applications that that we look at on
a regular basis right as they come up as they get uploaded they will be there so you don't necessarily have to go I know I've seen some people taking pictures of the site plants um for their own edification you can go on the same things the same materials that we look at are available for public consumption
as well so you don't have to worry about taking a picture of the grainy screen behind me thank you Eric uh can I get a motion to uh adjourn second all in favor
I thank you for your time thank you good night good night e for