I got home. No, I'm not. I believe the notice was sent out. This resolution is to designate to recommend to the planning board to recommend to the council
to call it an area in need of development not to authorize. Yeah, this is the right. This was the public hearing on the report. Right. But then why does this say resolution authorizing the township under investigations?
I'd like to call the order uh the May 19th, 2025 Oldbridge Township Planning Board meeting. Please rise for the pledgece to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Daniel, could we have a roll call, please? Mr. Dama, here. Mr. Lenning, here. Mr. GoPian is absent. Miss Kennan
is absent. Mr. Rena here. Mr. Petty here. Miss Mella here. Mr. McGisac here. Mr. Brennan here. Mr. Ferrara here. And Chairman Lowour here. Okay. We have a swearing of the
um Mr. Chairman, I as we do now, we swear in the board's professionals now at the beginning of every hearing and especially because we have a public hearing on a redevelopment study. We have to swear in the planner anyway. So, you would all please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give this evening is the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Uh, first item is minutes of April 29th, 2025. Uh, do I have a any questions about that?
Ed Ferrer moved it. Second. Second, Mr. De Palmer. Mr. Diploma, yes. Mr. Ling, abstain. Mr. Agopian is absent. Mr. Rena, yes. Mr. Petty, yes. Miss Misella, abstain.
Mr. McGisac, yes. Mr. Brennan, yes. Mr. Ferrara, yes. And Chairman Lowour, yes. Uh, next item is a resolution. Uh, actually, Mr. Chairman, I apologize to jump in. The the the agenda is a little off on this. It's actually a public
hearing. It was been a duly noticed public hearing on a redevelopment study. It's for the the same property uh the men uh the track near the Menamino Park. Uh it's blocks 85 lots 9.11 and 11.11
and block 9,000 lot 8. Um the uh planner had conducted at at a prior meeting this board had adopted a resolution that's identified here authorizing the planner to take undertake a preliminary investigation on this property. Uh and that has been completed. It's been circulated uh and it's been noticed for
the public hearing this evening. So uh I at this point uh usually how we handle these we turn it over the planner will make a presentation and then we open it up to the public with any questions, comments and then uh we close it and then the board can take action. Okay, Miss Sant. Uh good evening board
members. I had made a presentation for uh when the resolution was passed regarding this area investigation study. Just to give you an brief overview, this study area is right next to the Manino Park redevelopment area where currently
we have Manino Park YMCA. This also this area is actually sandwiched between the Manino Park redevelopment area as well as what we uh fondly call the segment redevelopment area and um there are three properties
that were left out of these two study areas. Um the uh Oldbridge redevelopment agency realized that these two of these properties have been vacened. Also the blunder and tongue site is currently
underutilized. If you look at all the aerials or even when you visit the site the um the parking lot is empty and there has been no um uh upgrades to the building and the developer has also uh
showed interest in redeveloping the site. So that site was included too. So um the original request came from the council to extend the Manino Park redevelopment study area. However, it is my recommendation because Manino Park
was purely written for a recreational purposes. I would recommend that we create this as a separate redevelopment uh study area. It has a great potential. Currently it's uh zoned for economic
development opportunity zone but by giving it a redevelopment designation and writing a plan uh that is cohesive with all the neighboring land uses and uh promotes more uses and attracts businesses there. I think it would make
sense to have this as a separate uh study area. So that would be one of the recommendations to be included in the resolution uh if the planning board agrees with the determination. So the original Manino uh park redevelopment
area was actually designated in 2004. Subsequently the township council by resolution uh 17-205 adopted a redevelopment plan where uh Menino Park was redeveloped as
well as YMCA. Next slide. The three properties that are to be reviewed are block 805, lot 11.11 which directly abuts u oldbridge matavan road or
CR516 block 805 lot 9.11 which is setback. It's uh it is it's a lot that directly abuts Jake Brown Road the improved portion of Jake Brown Road. We call it the Jake Brown Road South. Um,
and then the third parcel is block 9,000, lot 8, which uh contains the Blunder and Tongue uh building. So, all three lots, two of them are vacant. Um, block
8,000 lot 9.1 actually has a cell phone tower. You can see it in the aerial. It's at the corner. Um and Blonder and Tongue has an underut is an underutilized parcel with significant
imperous coverage. Um and they're struggling to sustain. The building is very old and needs significant upgrades. So applying the local redevelopment and you can change the slide. So again these
are the three lots. I already talked about them. Next slide. Applying the nine criterias of the local redevelopment and housing law, both u lots that are vacant, they uh satisfy uh
criteria C and H. Um the first lot also uh satisfies criteria D which is 8 lot block 8,000 lot 9.11. The last one which is block 9,000 lot 8. It satisfies criteria DH and
section three. Uh it contains stellatorous land uses has an absolute lay layout with significant imperous coverage. The lot lacks any landscaping and uh also meets u the uh criteria to
for an area in need of redevelopment. It is my recommendation that all three sites uh meet more than one criterias of the local redevelopment and housing law. So if the planning board doesn't have any questions, I would recommend that they pass a resolution requesting the
council to designate the area as an area in need of redevelopment and again create this as a separate redevelopment area. If you have any questions, I'll take them. Does anybody on my left have any questions about
Good. Miss Farah, is there any wetlands included in this? Yes, of course there are. And but that the the part of the land analysis comes in when I write the redevelopment plan.
This is just the first step. This is just so that uh the area is designated as an area in need of redevelopment. Once the council designates the area, they would authorize me to write a redevelopment plan or the zoning
standards for that area. That's when I actually evaluate. But yes, I'm I'm aware that there are wetlands there. No problem. Any other concerns? Am I
right? Uh, one thought is, one thought or question is is why the need to combine why the need to combine everything? Why not just look at the redevelopment on block 9,000 lot 8?
Obviously, that facility is under distress. It needs to be upgraded. That's an easy one to understand. The other two pieces are less developed or not developed at all. In fact, they are vacant and under the redevelopment law,
it allows you to include such properties that are vacant because if you uh I don't know if you know the history of those properties but uh there have been applications filed in the past like almost more than a decade ago for development of those sites and those
developments were denied. We haven't seen anything come to fruition on those sites. So by giving it a redevelopment designation, by writing a redevelopment plan, we will encourage some sort of development on those parcels. But there is there's no need
for access from block 8,05 lot 1111 uh to get to the third lot, which is the lot which is block 9,000, lot 8. You don't need that pathway off of 516 to gain access. There's already access to
block 9,000 lot 8. That's a question. I'm a little confused with the question. Jake Brown, Jake Brown Road South goes along. So what you see beyond lot
9.11 that corner, that bend, there is another parcel. The zoning board approved many moons ago uh a development application which was inclusionary meaning there were some market rate
units and there were some affordable units. It was part of our housing plan third round housing plan. One of the condition of approval of that plan was that the developer would cons would
construct the bend towards Blunder and Tongue and it would so he would construct the roadway and it would terminate into a culdeac. But if you remember when I wrote segue's redevelopment plan one of the condition
of the redevelopers agreement or if you remember I presented an entire circulation plan wherein the developer for seg was to build that connection. Now it in fact enables me to uh complete
that route because that was in the master plan written like 30 years ago but we never had the funding to complete that connection because it will be an additional route going to white oak lane and then connecting white oak lane to
Jake Brown Road east. Now including blunder and tongue including these pro two properties remember we always correct uh transportation prorata share and plus if these sites are going to be developed I can get the roadways widened
I can have them dedicate because when seg was going to develop the road they were going to develop it only until their property the area is heavily constrained they were barely able to get a 30foot roadway there so now with including blunder and tongue. I can get
a wider roadway with including these two waken parcels. Whoever comes to redevelop this site, I can ask for pro rata share. It helps us get that connectivity to white oak lane and Jake Brown Road East.
Are you finished? Yeah. Okay. Uh I have a question. Uh the do are all three parcels now under the same zone. Uh give me one second. I believe so.
Yes. Okay. And now the new zone will will the new zone be the same or it be the whole idea is it cannot be the same because if it is the same then what is the point of doing a redevelopment plan right when you write a redevelopment
plan you're making it more flexible one of the issue with the current zone is it is zoned as EDO1 where ED1 was envisioned to be smaller lots like 1 acre parcels right these are much bigger
parcels. So with the 1 acre parcels, there is a significant limitation on what size of building you can put in. Whereas when you write a redevelopment plan, it'll be much more flexible and will be able to attract more users or
it'll make it more allowable to develop. Thank you. Thanks. Question. Sure. Just silly question. I don't why are we redeveloping 805 1111 and 9 and 9.11 I understand lot block 9000 lot 8 the
building's coming down it needs to be fixed up why are the why are the other parcels I mean they are two waken parcels on a county road they are ripe for development but right now the zoning standards have significant limitations
for last 15 to 20 years the owner has been trying to get uses he has had few failed attempts in front of zoning board. So redevelopment law allows the township to take interest and develop or write a plan that can include uses that
we really want to see and it that is the only two properties that are vacant on 516 in that section. If you notice, the entire corridor is commercial and these are larger pieces. Is the gun club or the gun range there right off of Jake
Brown Road? Yes. But remember when we did the SE segment plan, um there is now going to be a warehouse on the Gun Club site. That was the last warehouse that the planning board approved. So the gun club will probably relocate somewhere
else and there'll be a warehouse. Yes. Okay, thank you. Uh, we open up to the public now. Yes, this is for public comments or questions regarding the redevelopment plan that was just explained and testified to. Does anybody have a question about
Okay, see no hands, I close the public portion. Okay, Mr. Chairman, there's a resolution that has been um circulated. Uh it's entitled resolution of the township of Oldbridge Planning Board recommending the properties identified as block 805
lots 9.11 and 11.11 and block 9000 lot 8 on the tax map of the township of Old Bridge be designated as an area need of need of non-conomation redevelopment and included in the amended Amino uh park track redevelopment area. If the board
is so inclined to make uh accept uh Vina's recommendation and testimony and make uh that recommendation to the township committee, excuse me, township council, u you can make a motion on that resolution. Okay. Do I have a motion to move this
forward? I'll move it. I'll second. Mr. Chairman, can can you give me the exact definition of what we're voting on here exactly. Sure. Um is under the redevelopment process for a property to be declared uh an area need of
redevelopment meaning then it can be uh part of a redevelopment plan uh and proceed as a development through redevelopment enterement agreements with developers and uh proceed under or have a redevelopment plan which is like an overlay zone uh placed on the property.
It has to be declared an area in need of redevelopment. I mean, it needs must meet one of the uh criteria set forth in the statute. That's the criteria that Vita went through. So, what you'd be voting on here, oh, let me take a step back. So, the process is if a property in town uh uh wants to be deemed or the
the township wants to potentially deem a property in need of redevelopment, the committee, the governing body adopts a resolution requesting the board to conduct a preliminary investigation. The planning board then conducts that investigation by what we did a couple months ago, adopting a resolution directing Vena to do so. Then a public
hearing is being held and then the um on that and then the board then either uh adopts a resolution either recommending the property in its entirety or a portion of it be declared an area need to redevelopment. It's a recommendation to the governing body. It's the governing body that then will actually
make that declaration that it is an area in need of redevelopment. So that's what what's before now is that step is the recommendation step. Okay, we have a a a motion, a second. Uh can we have a call for vote? Mr. Dalama?
Yes. Mr. Lennon? Yes. Mr. Rena? No. Mr. Petty? No. Miss Mella? Yes. Mr. McGisac? Yes. Mr. Brennan? Yes. Mr. Ferrara? No. Chairman Lowour. Yes.
Six yeses, three nos. Okay. Uh next, uh we have an application tonight. Uh 12-2022P Alfairy Obridge Associates LLC major preliminary subdivision, major preliminary site plan with a C variance.
U represented by Mr. Petrino. Welcome. Good evening. Uh, Miss Patuna, before we get started, I just like to let you know that you only got 45 minutes last time. We're going to give you the whole night. Thank you. Till 1000 p.m. for for uh testimony and the
the meeting is over at 10:30. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Uh, for the record, my name is Frank Petrino. with the law firm of Eard Seammens and we represent the applicant Alfuri Oldbridge Associates
LLC. Uh this uh board uh took jurisdiction in January and we had our first hearing on February 27th. Uh just as a reminder, this site uh is a 95 acre site. It's located in
the MUIH zoning district. It's designated in the township's housing element and fair share plan as suitable, appropriate, developable for uh inclusionary housing and it has frontage on both
Lawrence Harbor, Madawan Road and Beyond Avenue. Uh it's designated on the tax map as block 2150, lots 411 and 613. I couldn't find a street address, but those are the lot and block numbers. We
are back here. We were here in um 2022 uh when this application began. Uh we had some issues back there. There was a denial and um and then um the matter is
being back brought back to you pursuant to um uh consent order that agreed that this should that a whispering woods hearing should be held. um relating to uh our application for
sub preliminary subdivision and preliminary uh site plan approval uh for phase one. Uh that phase is the green a residential community which we'll talk more about uh on lot A and also for a uh
parking lot on lot C. if that lot, if the board were to approve the application, would be conveyed to the Bridge Point uh condominium, they have some um parking issues at the condominium. So, this would uh help to
alleviate some of those. Just in terms of the specifics of the application, we're here to create three lots, A, B, and C. Um the seot the parking um
uh the parking area lot um uh is only 4.41 acres uh and it needs variances for lot area and lot coverage. Um otherwise the u uh preliminary site plan for phase
one is uh for the approval of 529 inclusionary uh three and four story um apartment buildings. There'd be 423 market rate units and 106 low and moderate income uh
units. The site plan application obviously uh describes things like um parking uh spaces made available uh other site improvements like landscaping
uh lighting um stormwater detention uh or management facilities uh and uh utilities to serve uh the U development. Um, in terms of the parking, there are a
number of uh handicap spaces on site, 35. We also have uh 56 garage spaces relating to the fourstory buildings. Uh, and we also have EV or EV ready uh u
parking areas. Um, with the exception of a detention basin, uh, site plan approval for development of lot B, sometimes referred to as phases 2 and three, is not
requested uh, at this time. Um, at the hearing held on the 27th, Mr. uh who is sitting next to me was qualified to present expert testimony. Uh he described the evolution of the
plan, what it would look what it looked like when you were reviewing it in 2022 and how it evolved uh including through the uh uh process of the two consent orders that were uh entered. Um
uh our architect also testified, Jack Rker, uh he provided expert testimony regarding both buildings, the three and fourstory buildings, um elevations, uh floor area, I mean, uh
floor plans, etc. uh this hearing. At the end of that hearing, it was decided that this would be a more technical presentation where we'd go through things like parking layout, storm water management, landscaping, lighting, and other details
uh related to both development on lot A of the residential project and lot B uh lot C the parking uh area for the U Bridgeoint condominium. Um the site currently uh has been graded. Uh basins
have been installed. Uh and head walls have been constructed. The site is maintained on an annual basis. Uh uh grass is cut. Uh there's general cleanup and there are silt fences out there and if they're uh damaged or blown down,
they're they're repaired. Um so a little just again a little more of the background. Uh we filed a development application in January of 22. It was deemed complete in September
of 22. The application was denied on January 26th of 23. I think that's actually when the resolution was adopted. uh board in that uh denial resolution indicated that the board
found and concludes that the applicant's request for waiverss and variances cannot be granted under the criteria of the MLUL. We filed a progative RID application in March of 23. Uh in that we alleged the
application was fully consistent with the terms and conditions of the zone applicable to phase one and the terms and conditions of the settlement agreement which expressly provided for modifying the phasing of the residential and non-residential components of the
project if construction of the non-residential component meaning no market demand would delay the completion of the inclusionary housing. Um there then was a consent order entered in uh
early 24 um where it was uh agreed that Alfuri could construct and obtain certificates of occupancies for all 529 units on lot A before development of lot B uh and to locate all of the units
north of Whale Creek. Uh we've had meetings uh with the uh county uh New Jersey Transit uh New Jersey Turnpike Authority um on phasing of
roadway improvements and we'll hear more about there's two phases of improvements along Matawan Road. Um actually what has been proposed at the county is more stringent than what
was in the Alfuri settlement agreement. In the Alfuri settlement agreement, I think it said we could build the first 280 units before we did some of the Madawan road improvements. the our discussions with the county are now that
uh be before we get our first CO for the first unit uh all of the phase one improvements would have to be done those are the improvements on our I never know northsoutheast west so I'm just going to say our side of the bridge u and then
before we can go beyond uh let me see if I can pick the number out I think it's 265 cos we have to have the second phase. So the phase on the other side of the bridge where the park and ride is and uh
that's the thing that I most think about when I think about that side. So maybe that helps you understand phase one and phase two. Um there was a second consent order uh and it attached a concept plan.
Um the concept plan was a plan that was reviewed by this board before the concept uh before that consent order was um entered. Uh and that order effectively said that all necessary
variances needed to build the green as shown on the concept plan uh should be considered and granted by the board and that the board because this is an affordable project uh would not impose cost generating conditions
um that would impact and inhibit or impede the development of the uh inclusionary development and those are things like setbacks, spacing between buildings, impervious coverage and open space. None of those issues are anything
that the board is or the board's professionals have brought up to it. So that that's just language in the consent order and it um I don't think there's any issue that there are cost generating uh in conditions that we're being asked
to uh comply with. Um, we did, um, we filed our application in October. I'm not going to go I have a paragraph from the letter, but I'm not going to go through it. Uh, the only thing I want to point out again is this. This
application is for lot A, the uh green, which is the 529 units, and lot C, which is the um um a parking lot that we've agreed to build for um Bridge Point and also um
convey that lot to Bridge Point. We've gotten review memos from the staff. Uh we got two in January. We had a a Zoom meeting in on January 9th. Um, we had a
second Zoom meeting with DNR on uh a DRC, I should say, on February 13th. Uh, we got a second draft uh memo from No, I'm sorry. We got a second staff review
from the U professionals on January 21. Uh we got another one on January 24. We were here on uh February 27. Uh we've submitted revised plans with all the uh
tech technical u uh issues that were not in uh at least to the um satisfaction of your engineer were not in the original site plan submission and subdivision submission. That submission was 16
pages. I think this one is 36 pages. So, we've added all that detail. Uh we submitted a u a new storm water management plan. Um and we submitted I don't know if it's new or revised
operation and maintenance manual for the storm water um uh facilities. Uh we did get a um a um a memo uh recently from the fire marshal uh and we got a staff a new staff report
uh on May uh 14th. I don't know uh Joe Mr. Sidillo uh we didn't get that we didn't get that memo uh uh in time to have a response in 10 days before the meeting. I did submit to
uh you and uh the planner and I think to Dan um a memo dated May 29th. It's a one and a half page one or one and a quarter page memo with a couple attachments. And
I'd like to make that part of the record even though it wasn't submitted 10 days before. No, no, no. It's uh it's May 19th. Just correction. And I think you said 29th by accident. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no problem. Hey, I just won a 100 bucks. My first
scratch off that I want anything. Uh, yes, absolutely. I I think just when we because the board doesn't have it when we get to the points of maybe going through the report. Um, we'll just make reference to those. I I mean that there's not I think we can easily just quickly read through those and those
points when we get to that uh that point in the testimony. But yes, absolutely that could be considered part of the record, but I just the the board needs to know it since they haven't got distributed it yet. Oh, okay. Um, all right. The only other thing I wanted to say before uh my friend here is going to
resume his testimony is we do have certain approvals or pending approvals. We have a letter of interpretation on our wetlands uh that would expire in October 2012 five but can be extended for four
five years. Uh we have um a CAFRA we have uh freshwater wetlands general permits 11 and two uh 11 relates to drainage structures two relates to underground utilities. We
have a transition area waiver averaging plan and a water quality certificate issued by D in February of of 2022. And we have a pending application with the Middle Sex
County Planning Board. Um we have a very conscientious uh reviewer who keeps asking for more things. So, we're it's still pending, but we're trying to get it heard on June 8th, I think. So,
um unless you have any questions for me and my filibuster, um I'd ask um redeemed to who was sworn and qualified and remains under oath, uh to um go through he's going to talk to
you about the technical aspects of the plan. uh landscaping, lighting, a lot of different things. Uh and then go through the comment letter. Um why don't we go through that testimony and then when he gets to the comment letter, we can go back to this. I think that's probably
the the most cohesive for the board. Okay, Mr. Okay, why don't you go forward? Good evening. Is it okay? Yes. Yes. I just for the record, you do recognize you are still on under oath from Yes. Um so good evening again. My name is Radim
Kucher. I'm with civil and environmental engineering and we prepare the plans uh the set of plans presently in front of you. If you don't mind, I would ask for uh the existing conditions plan to be put on the screen and I'll try to be as
quick as possible because you've been introduced to this to these facts several times. Uh what we are actually uh looking at right now is u a property in the southwesterly corner of uh New
Jersey Turnpike and Maravan Road and if you don't mind I would I can point you know use my pointer but it would be only on one screen. Uh so the let me get oriented here. I'm a
little bit uh Okay. Maravan Road up here and Parkway along this side of the of the property. Uh the property parameter
extends like this and borders sub development to the west to the west or northwest railroad to the north, excuse me, and several existing developments. It's vacant lot 512
uh right here and several developments avenue right right here at this location uh the property is vacant and presently graded and as Mr. Patrino indicated
uh there are two uh detention slash uh sediment ponds. One is approxim approximately in the middle of the lower portion of this main lot to the west of
Whale Creek. Well, creek is this zigzag line dissecting our project or project site and the large one is to the north. Both are to control any uh excessive sediments being taken from from the
property settling them within the basin and releasing to the whale creek treated waters. The property is graded or has a it's sloping from Maravan road generally from Marowan road in the
easterly direction towards the creek and the same thing with the on the opposite side except it grades or slopes in the westerly direction. I would like to say at this point that the
entire easterly side of the property easterly from the whale creek will not be developed will stay or remain in its existing conditions and is presently wooded. Uh the the property as you heard
before uh is composed about 94 94 acres and u that's about all can be said you know what can be said about the existing conditions on site unless anybody has any question regarding these conditions if not then I would uh move
to the u subdivision part or subdivision plan this application is basically twofold one this major subdivision. Mr. Do we have to I It's funny you I was just about I was just picking it down a
note. Are these actually in the plans that were submitted to the board or are these separated out or altered in any way that we need to identify? Yes, we have three exhibits. The first one already presented this one and one
more which are part of the set and we have one colored rendering which is basically landscaping plan but it's separate it's a separate exhibit it cannot be found in the set of we'll mark that when we get to we'll just just identif when you when we go to the page just identify this is page three of the
site pin that was so we can we just go back to the first one what page was that page two of 36 okay page two of 36 And now that this second one
is what page there would be page five if I can read from here but I'm too old for that. Five. Yeah. Wow. Good eyes. I'm surprised myself. Okay. Anyway, what this plan shows is the is a subdivision proposed subdivision of the entire 94
acres. You heard from Mr. the patrino that we areing three lots A which is this largest one about 65 acres lot B which is this piece of property adjacent to the parkway and lot
C in between this is this I would call it like a leg reaching all the way to Marowan road in between medicine and So again uh these we are creating three lots. Two of them are in full compliance
with your rules and regulations. The the third one is substandard in terms of area and uh the reason being is actually it goes back way back before my time to the uh uh settlement between or
agreement actually between this developer and the development to the north called Bridge Point. That's where the parking area we'll be talking about a little later is actually located. Uh and this is uh all about the
the subdivision and uh we can now move to the site plan. Mr. Chairman, just to to clarify because I'm just taking my notes too. Um when you say that lot C is not compliant, there was it's just lot area that just
lot area. Thank you. And if I'm not mistaken impervious coverage, uh just give me one second. I don't want to be wrong. Well, the let me just stop everyone for half a second because we have two applications here. We have subdivision and site plan. So, in
connection with the subdivision, the only thing if these were just vacant lots and we're just doing a subdivision, the only um deficiency on lot C would be the lot area. Just give me one second because that that's why I'm asking. And then when we get to the site plan part
of it when it gets developed, then I understand there may be uh additional variances at that time. Um, lot C needs lot area and lot coverage. Lot coverage. Okay, thank you.
So, we going to we going to the sheet number six. Six of 36. Six of 36. Okay. And what that's the site plan. That's a site plan overall site plan. And uh what is it show is
basically what we are proposing in terms of uh residential development of this plot A. The development is composed of 16 buildings. Uh nine of them are so-called
buildings B. Those are the larger ones containing about 40 units each. Not about 40 units each. and buildings A are kind of condensed around this area
containing about 24 units. What's also proposed is um adequate parking. As been said before, we are proposing currently 1,158 parkings while I believe with
1,020 I don't want to be wrong. Let me read it here is required by RSIS. So we are richly over uh what's required by the by the rules. Stop me for one
sec. Uh I think this spoke the A units have so and the B units are the three stories. So the A units are the four story. We just I just checked with your boss. Okay.
Simply the smaller buildings I can read it from here are uh where the you know 24 units uh buildings and the larger buildings. These are the ones with 40 units and
garages and and parking spaces in front of these garages. I'm a little disadvantage because I can't really read uh what I wrote on those plans. So, I'm fighting my memory, which is not what it used to be. Anyways, uh
so I described how many units. I think it's all in line with what you presented here before and u what what else can be said about the lot
a that we have u 423 units will be market value and 106 will be uh affordable rentals. the the uh main access to the
property is off of Mar Road at this location right across from the ramp serving Parkway. the additional access so soal emergency access is to be created uh via
this corner of the lot A and into lot C where there's an existing boulevard type of roadway connecting uh this development uh the bridge point to Maran road so
basically we have two points of access one the main one and the other one is only emergency Uh the parkings uh we received comments last time around making sure that we would provide parkings as close to the buildings as possible so they would not
the residents would not be forced to walk too far away. I believe the site plan actually achieved uh this goal and addressed that that comment pretty pretty well if I may say that. [Music]
Uh other uh improvements to the site are green areas located centrally within the lot within the the property. There are so-called green park and neighbor neighborhood park or neighboring park at this
location. There is also proposed uh the clubhouse and associated clubhouse and associated swimming pool uh the playground for kids basketball courts benches and and
similar. There is a dog run proposed at at this location and uh it's about wraps uh I I believe it wraps up uh proposed uh uh
improvements of that of that site. We at this point since we do not have any development of the lot B uh yet we do show certain connections guest connections to that lot for the future
purposes so it can actually be incorporated into this residential uh property as far as uh traffic uh traffic dispersal and and and uh uh to be actually as convenient as as
possible. would I assume those would not be built until uh uh there's a site plan application approved for lot B correct that is correct that was also in in comments from the engineer I believe and
we intend to comply with this requirement as far as uh you touched upon storm water management and for that purpose I think would be better if we can look at look up that landscaping one. Now, this is new. This is new. All
right. I think we're up to the we uh the next exhibit is going to be A4 based upon the prior A4. So, we want to call it rendered or colorized landscape landscaping plan. Yeah. And again it shows
[Music] the overgrown easterly side of the whale creek to remain landscaping within the development developed portion or to be developed portion uh of the site that
being lot and this is although this is green it's graded area uh where the new or future development will occur. Most likely as far as stormwood storm water management is concerned, you're looking
at the system of uh collectors collector system within the streets and and aisle aisles of this of this development. U diverting water or conveying water into three ponds. Uh this is a detention
pond number three. This is retention pond number two and retention pond number one. And they are connected by a piping from each other. It's like a cascade of ponds treating uh treating
the uh the water runoff from the property. I believe I forgot to say one important thing at the beginning and I will I'll say it now. The existing when I was talking about existing conditions on lot I should have emphasized the fact that the entire property served as the
clay quarry in the 30 east and 40s of last century. So there is a very clay you know sub layers on the property and as such the recharge is impossible. Therefore we cannot provide any recharge
uh on site. What we do provide is we are fully compliant with water quality treatment through these three basins and obviously we are meeting not obviously but we are meeting uh all the criteria u
in front of us in terms of uh peak rates of runoff being released from the final basin which is B basin number one back into the whale creek. As a matter of fact, I would like to emphasize the I would like to
emphasize that we are richly uh over what's required in terms of peak rate of runoff uh to be released from the property. It's about u about 20% I don't want to exaggerate but about 20% more or 30% more than
what's actually required. So that's about storm water management. Um the other plans and I don't want to go too far with it show uh the grading utilities which are water and sewer to serve this property. As far
as water, we're going to be looping the uh the property with the existing 8 in or extending 8 in main off of Marawan Road and the intentions are to actually loop around but that's preliminary. We have to co coord coordinate and
cooperate the local MUA in both instances in terms of water as well as sewer to uh self serve properly this development and not to jeopardize the existing uh the existing services in the
area. Uh in terms of sanitary sewer because of the existing slopes as I said the entire area slopes from left to right or from u west to east we are collecting the sewage throughout the
site and bringing it down to approximately this location where we're going to be uh calculating and providing a pump station force main to discharge sewage into the first available manhole
within the sliver of this this actually this uh uh what we call lot C first available manhole of lot C. Uh we provided also your uh professionals with uh uh lighting plan
which I believe is in compliance with all the rules and regulations of the township and provides adequate illumination of the property and the landscaping plan where we got some comments but I'm positive we can actually settle most
of them and that would be about uh what I can say in general about this this development from the technical viewpoint. Okay. Um Mr. Chairman, um before we go
on to the review memo, want to uh ask questions of board questions of our professional or have your professionals ask any questions? Yes, I was going to uh turn it over and ask our
professionals who would like to go first. Any questions? Mr. Darcy. [Music] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, there was a lot of lot of testimony. Thank you very much. I was trying to track if you gave all the testimony.
Um, one one question I do have, I guess. Um, we did get the memo from Mr. Patrina earlier in the day. Uh, that and let me see if I can bring it up on my screen. uh that you know gave some reasoning for
some of the comments uh the planning comments I I'll defer to Vina uh with the regard to the engineering comments um he you listed a bunch of comments you said we will comply I'm no lawyer but that mean that
you're not going to comply with the other comments because that's well the other ones are subject okay well there was a lot there were a lot that were not testimony there were like and some comments whether it's clear or not clear
comment those are things okay those are things that uh are being deferred to final okay okay so but there's is there anything of the 34 or so comments that you feel
gives you some indigestion that you're you're going to have to discuss just in terms of the memo would be the uh the first comment um um which indicate the review memo we got
indicated that or stated I shouldn't say indicated stated that um we had to go through variance testimony which I think is technically incorrect because if you read the two uh consent orders and the
whole point of the consent orders was to lay out that We were modifying the phasing. Understood. So that's why I and I uh put that as number one. I maybe I should be more clear. I apologize. I'll
I'll defer all that stuff to to Vina and Joe because they're a lot smarter than me. Uh I'm talking about the the engineering like technical comments we have quite a few where it was some labeling stuff. We had some some cl some clarifications on the plans. Uh, we had landscaping that needed to get revised
which Redeem said he would he would be able to to satisfy most of the comments. So, I'm wondering which ones were are not included in the most. Let me deal with the landscaping. Uh-huh. Um, because it's very important to my client. Important to us, too. We hired
uh a great architect, a great landscape architect, a great engineer, and we looked at your ordinance, and our landscaping comp plan complies with your ordinance, all the technical requirements. Now, if you have uh
disagreements with it, uh unless they relate to the standards of the ordinance, we like our plan. So, and we're the ones that have to build it. We're the ones that have to sell the units and we've spent a lot of time and effort on the landscaping plan. And you
know, I might look at it and say, "Gee, I'd like to see you change that and that and that, but if it's not in the ordinance, we're not doing it." Understood. Uh there are things in the ordinance that that where it doesn't comply. Now, I did not do the landscape review or the landscape architects in in
our office did. Uh we we said we would comp well I don't we said some of the 36 will complies a couple of those relate to landscaping. Um I don't have any of the landscape Oh I'm sorry 118 I'm trying to think of what
landscaping 112 115 117 were complies but landscaping starts at 99 and goes to 118 right so four of the 19 right? Um, so there are other Let me just say one other thing. We had meetings in
February. Mhm. And we've changed the plans since then. Yes. And there were certain things and I was involved, your attorney was involved. We had a lot of people involved and we revised the plans and the revised plans do uh reflect
changes in landscape. Agreed. Agreed. They do. Right. Uh but this is a detailed review of the of the landscaping. Right. Right. There are there are comments where we refer to a uh ordinance code section where we feel you don't comply. Okay. Uh and you're you're representing that you will comply
with the ordinance section if if if it's an ordinance requirement and it's clearly articulated. Uh ordinances aren't always clearly articulated. Well, but that that's and and and the the interpretation of the ordinance requirement is usually up to Vina and and
just to add, I mean, I'm just skimming through uh some of the comments. The comments are more like, okay, this species may not work at this location. We recommend using some other species. I think it's not a big ask. It's something
that we can work it out among ourselves when we do come back for the final site plan. So I I I mean I'm just skimming through it. None of the comments are see the variances are what they are, right?
I mean if you need a variance from something, yes, you need it. But I from what I'm going when I'm skimming through this list, it's like okay, we feel that in this section you should have evergreen trees. We can talk before you
come back for the final site plan. So our landscape architect can sit with your landscape architect. We can have a technical review and flush it out during that so that when you come up with your final site plan, it's something that is uh satisfactory to us as well as you.
It's fine. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Are we saying the same thing about is here now? So I I I uh I got the okay on that. The only thing I would say is because I know I was in one of the meetings there were certain places where
landscaping related comments were also related to grading for example retaining walls. Yeah, the retaining walls and stuff like that that too I think maybe we should flush them out during technical review. It's not that we are picking on something but because there's
a great change we think it doesn't make sense to have a bigger retaining wall. It will in fact save you cost. Well, that might be one of our will comply items, right? I don't know. I mean, there were quite a few that were that were not addressed as will comply. That's only that was my only concern. If
if we're saying that, hey, uh there are the rest of the comments we will discuss and work out. that that's acceptable to me as well as far as long as the as far as the engineering portions go because we have comments where um I'll just pick one one where you
where we don't say um I said pick one I didn't I'm trying to pick a good one. We we're asking for additional spot elevations where it appears the grading is is pitching water towards a one of your buildings. Obviously you don't want that. We don't want that. So,
but I have to I have to say something. You might remember at the Zoom at the Zoom meeting. It's great. At the Zoom meeting, you were I know. We said we'll work it out a final. No, no, we said I'm not asking for spot elevations. You remember that? Right. But the the way
the contours are arranged, it looks like the water's draining in. You didn't Yeah. Show them. Well, we'll work those out. Obviously, if we are granted preliminary between preliminary and final, we will we had very pleasant discussions in February and whenever and
we'll work it out before we we'll have a similar tech technical meeting like we did should sit there too so that he says yes to most of them. Yeah. Maybe Mr. Alfairy should sit next to you so that he says yes to most of them. Well, I can Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He'll hit me. He'll
kick me. So, Mr. chairman. Um the reason why I took the uh the line of questioning that in that direction is because we do have numerous comments which I I wouldn't want to go through each every each and every single one with with the board. I think the general consensus that we're or general sense
that we're getting from the applicant is that they'll work with us uh as a condition of final or I'm sorry condition of disapproval at the time of final to to basically address the comments in our memo. anything that's not specifically addressed as an ordinance requirement as it relates to
landscaping specifically, you know, we'll we'll try to work with them and we'll be back at final. Okay. Very good. Uh Vina, are you finished or um I actually I don't have any comment as such but I wanted clarification from uh
Joe because I was a little lost with this letter that came uh this afternoon and the first comment uh like Frank say so I I wanted you to explain so that even the board understands what we are trying to do in terms of variances and
uh stuff that I'm sorry I don't have my hearing aids So I'm having trouble hearing. No, I what I was saying is I want Joe to explain to the board about the variances that are involved because even I was a little
confused when I read the memo. So Joe might be able to explain that better so that the board understands as well. Um yes, sorry about that. I I um you know with regard to to um item number one and uh Mr. Petrino's letter we me
and him uh Mr. Patrino have already spoken. um you know we I might disagree with the language he uses but ultimately I think we're in agreement as to the intent what h what just to give a little background as to where we you know once again we talked about this before but
specifically with regard to variances when um the uh board denied the initial application um back in December 2022 uh it was um appealed and ultimately there was two litigations that were
filed uh by the applicant. One challenging the board's appeal, but also one seeking um specific enforcement of the settlement agreement with the township and that is the the settlement agreement that really got this uh project to where it is today
and and put the zoning in place for that. Uh that settlement agreement provided for certain terms and conditions as to um as to the the the development of the site including phasing and timing. And one of the things that was challenged in that
litigation with the township, not with the board, was seeking to have that modified or interpret. It was interpreted, but ultimately it was settled in a consent order with the township on modifying the language of that settlement agreement whereby the uh
applicant was not required to construct the non-residential portion of it, which we've been hearing tonight. That's the lot B portion prior to completing the development of lot A, the residential portion. And so that consent order provided that that no longer uh that
amended the settlement agreement. There's a consent order entered by the judge and it also uh uh amend essentially amended the settlement agreement with the township saying that that's no longer a condition. The the issue is it's still while we uh the I mean I say we the township when originally entered into settlement
agreement adopted zoning ordinances for the site that requirement is still in the ordinance. So there's a technical variance that needs to be granted allowing for the phasing even though it's already agreed to. It's already in a consent order. It's already in the amended settlement because it's still
technically in our ordinances. It has to be granted. It's it's something that the board has to grant. It's not a it's not a really conditional uh or um excuse me discretionary uh decision, but it is something the board has to grant as part of the application because it was done
in the court and agreed to by the town but just for whatever reason it was the ordinances are just never amended. You know whether they should have been or not it, you know, we are where we are and right now we have an ordinance on the books that says that there is a a phasing requirement. So that that variance is required to be granted for
on a technical basis. So when at the end of this if um I'm directed to summarize what the board would be granting if voted for approval for this application that will be one of them is that variance but it's because not that they're putting on as as uh Mr. Petrino
said planning testimony to support that it's a technical variance that's required because it's already been set forth in the consent order and [Music] And just to add on to it, I know there was a lot of uh write up on those
variances. I just wanted to make it clear that the variance is a technicality. What I was explaining is we yes we're granting based on the consent order we granting a variance so that they can
proceed with the remainder of the residential units. However, whether uh the report that was submitted based on uh the nonresidential uses, whether there's a market for office uh flex
space and warehouse uh most of my questions or comments were related to that. But that is uh you know u something to be discussed or flushed out at a later stage that is not part of this application. So although there is
write up because uh I mean I think it is tied together however not part of the direct application which is in front of you today but something for you to keep in mind that uh there was a report that was submitted to prove that uh the
current market conditions do not support an office use or there is no market for flex space or warehousing at that location. and my writer was saying that okay well there are other uses that are allowed in the non-residential zones that were not contemplated but that's a
topic for a separate day right if I may chairman just add to that the application and I I believe Mr. Patino did a good job at the beginning explaining to it, but just as a summary, um there's two parts of this application. There's preliminary subdivision and preliminary site plan.
The preliminary subdivision does involve lot B because you're creating it now. We're creating three lots, lot A, B, and C as was pre previously explained, but the site plan portion of it is only with dealing with lot A and lot C with this application. Lot B, yes, I just got it
spun around in my head for a second. Lot B will be part, it's still part of the development. It's something that's will come before this board, but it's at a different phase. Uh the phasing has changed as we were just explaining with the with the need for granting of variance. The phasing is different now. So that lot B development will come to
before this board, but at a different time. It's not part of what's being heard before the board this evening. The one thing I would request be because I I don't know if the board clearly understands is that lot which is owned by the township right at the entrance.
You should provide some testimony or explain it to the board so that they understand which is that lot. Yes, that's in the memo. Yes. And I think because I was a little confused too and uh so I I would want the board to understand where we stand. I can
elaborate. I don't know. So, do you want me to do that now or? Might as well. I mean, we're we're all discussing now. Might as well just keep it. Maybe Danny Danny, you can zoom in to the subdivision plan at the entrance because it'll be helpful for the board to understand.
Yes. Okay. So, uh, it's comment if if you have the memo, it's comment 25 in the staff memo and it's comment four in my memo or my response uh for so there's a it's a little more than a quarter acre
that the township owns and um we have an agreement um with the township and I've spent it won't the laser pointer doesn't Uh, I've I've Mr. Rosselli and I have
spent a lot of time going back and forth on this and two hard-headed Italians and um uh the town understands uh that this has to be sold and the issue is
price. Uh we made an offer, it was rejected. So um I have to go back. Uh I think what we're going to do is probably get an appraisal and then go back to Mr. Rosselli and and work out the final details of the
purchase. The I mean it's it's a quarter acre that's of no use to anyone other than uh to u facilitate the development of lot A and the uh well and in the future
u u at some point lot B. So I I don't uh Vina, I don't think it's a big issue if you've talked to uh Mr. Roselli. I don't think so. The price obviously is uh critical and I was just telling Rakkesh I wouldn't say it's of no use
because obviously it's providing access to your project. So it is right right. So um it is an important piece and yes you're right we would have to do an appraisal to get uh the highest and best used value for the property. History of
this is there's an apartment uh development bridge point. No no the apartment devel. Well, they owned that and the township condemned it for this property
to provide access to this property, but we have to work out the price. Okay, that makes sense. I believe that has to be done prior to the final site plan application. Uh,
yes. Right. Mr. Roselli is very busy though so we you know we we have I will work with I will work with him because generally when it comes to appraisals I work with him so yes well he'll listen more to you than me
okay Mr. Tetro do you have any questions or comments? Not really. I I I mean I had comments. Um the letter just came in at like four o'clock this afternoon. and I haven't had a chance to see uh you know what the response has been to to to
to my issues. I guess basically if if the applicants saying they will comply, we're good, you know. Well, in in comment two with of my u or paragraph two of my memo, which
relates to comment 11, uh that's where I was talking about the offtrack improvements. We've been working and I don't know if Vina has gone to the meetings, but I think it's the township. I have. You've gone to the meetings. Okay. So, there have been a lot of well, not as many as I would like, but there
have been a number of meetings with the county, NJTA, and transit uh and the township. And so, we're talking about phasing issues and the one the phasing issue that I think the county is proposing is more stringent than the
settlement agreement. And uh and I don't we we I don't see objection to that from our end. And the other issue uh um uh is uh in terms of techn technical
issues, we're going to have Carl testify, Carl Panky, and u he'll we'll go through those. We have two sets of improvements. One on the north, again, I don't know north south, but one on our side of the uh of the bridge and one on
the other side of the bridge. Um the only issue in the memos that I saw the the memo from the township that I have to raise is uh the request for uh the striping of a third lane over the
bridge. um that was in the settlement agreement and then NJ TA turnpike authority made improvements to the bridge and then when this issue was brought up to them in the meetings and if Vina was there or you
were there you can I mean they've I mean they've said we're not striping it lanes that's in our memo because it's you know part been part of the settlement all along but we I understand and and the board should understand that the the final disposition with regard to that
that widening or that third lane on the on the bridge second lane right on the bridge is really up to the county and the turnpike authority. Uh and that's actually the impetus for the other improvements that the applicant is is
willing to make which include signalization improvements on on both sides of the bridge. uh lane improvements, some um dedicated turn lanes, realignment of the actual um off-ramp uh from the from the uh
parkway, and also uh realignment of the park and ride. Uh that's that's right there off the offramp. So there's there's a significant amount of of of improvement that the applicant is going to do or willing to do in lie of that third lane uh that was put into the into
the agreement. If I could just ask a question. You sure can. Have you heard anything from Baker? Have we seen anything from Baker in terms of revised plan? We periodically, we and the county uh periodically send emails to the turn authority asking for for status and we
have not heard specifically from Baker. Um we did have a meeting I want to say the last meeting we had was February. It was Yeah, it was right after the Super Bowl. February 13th. Yeah. Um that was the last meeting that we had with with the term actually you know what there
was a follow-up Zoom meeting after that u there was uh I apologize so there has there was another meeting after that but well at that meeting the memo that I saw said that uh Baker Baker's the cons traffic consultant that the turnpike
hired it said that he would not he but uh the company would have revised plans in a couple of weeks of February 13th. engineers lie all the time. Not those that represent open.
But anyway, that's our that that's the only difference between what we're proposing and what's in the settlement agreement. And the settlement agreement specifically said that those items uh could be um modified by the county or
the turnpike authority since they have the ultimate jurisdiction, right? And and that's the only reason why that comment is still in our review memo, just as a placeholder for the board and for the record that this is where we are and eventually once once we get a final disposition on that, it'll go away from
the memo. I promise. Okay. Well, I'm just hoping we can get that before we're trying to I don't want that to be a condition of final. I don't if we get to that point. Yeah. If if you know, if if we get to the point where you're at final, I would hope that we have that much further along. Okay. the U. We'll
go to a board members. Anybody on my right? Eric, Danny, can you go back to the colorized um landscaping? That one just when you were testifying the I guess that's the northeasterly one, the
big pond. You were saying you were talking about sewage going down there. You to you testified you said sewage. So, I just want to I want to understand exactly what you were saying. Maybe I misspoke. I don't know. But what I was referring to was actually
collection point of the entire sewage system to be approximately at this location and then pumping via force mane sewage from the site uphill into the first available manhole on that lot. C. Is that a new pump station or is that
the one that you That's a new pump station. The old pump station sits uh off of uh it's located off of Naples and cuts across the property. It serves this development. I believe that the owner of the property gave these rights or easy
man years and years and years ago and that's uh that's another system. I think those were if I'm remembering those were lots that had failing septics. So in order to I don't know what I don't know that's before my they had failing
septics. So they needed the a way to get the uh get those lots into the public source system. So they went through the outer parcel. Okay. Uh to do that. But so your testimony is you're going to
all your sewage is going to go there and then get pumped out to the street. Is when you say go there get so you're so you're the sewage is going to collect there and then you're going to pump it. You're going to bring everything to the
back of the site and then pump it to the front. Yes. Yes. It's you know it has to follow the grade of the property. I can't go against gravity. I would end up I'll help you out. Okay. the the way that the the topography of of the property is that all this the sewer wants to go by gravity to to that low
point and then sloped away from the street and then it's got to get pumped up to the to the next available um to the nearest available uh manhole. So that that's where it's going. Okay. Yeah. Then from the storm water management. So obviously your basins are going to be collecting
the the parking lot that you're putting in in is that parcel C? Yes. Yes. So is that all going to then collect into that as well? Yes, that's also part of our collection system. Okay. So all of that so even though eventually it's going to
be it's going to be given over to Bridgepoint that will so it won't have any adverse effect on the Bridgeoint residents once it um knowing. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure obviously we understood there's we're going from
land uh vacant land to now sidewalks and there's a lot of streets and everything in there. So as long as we're not going to impede and I don't know if they they may or may not have any issues already with it. I don't want to exasperate it
um any more with that. So understood and it's been taken care of on our property in those three basins. Okay. I mentioned before. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Uh, anybody else on my right? No. Anybody on my left have uh questions
for the engineer here? Mr. Ferrer, go ahead. Dan, can you go back to uh the drawing two of 36? The existing conditions plan. Existing conditions plan. I wasn't on the board back in uh 22, December of 22. So,
forgive me if I repeating some of the stuff that you may have heard before, but basically you have a piece of land that's that's landlocked on uh access from um Madawan Road. And the
property that you need to get is across from the uh Garden State Parkway northbound. That's your main access to your property. Am I correct? Yeah. No. What do you say? Yeah. We part
of our access road requires the not not all of it, but part of it requires the quarter acre that the uh township has agreed to sell to us. I see. So, the agreement is already in place.
No. So, basically, we're looking at uh this area right here. Is that it right there? That's It is piece right there. And if I may, I would only correct one thing that which is that we are land the property is
landlocked. It's not completely landlocked. is actually has an access direct access to Maran Road through lot C but it would not be strategically good point of discharge of the traffic. The one right across from the ramp is much
better. Well, it's quite a bit of load. I'm not going to interfere with Carl's testimony. Right. Well, it's it's Can I just point out one thing? Uh Mr. Alfury has a better memory than I
do. Uh Alexander Parkway is an existing road right here. Yeah. Right there. So we have right today we have access to our site through Alexander Parkway which uh is owned by Alfuri and
C lot C will go to Bridgeoint and we'll continue I think we continue to own it but we have to continue to maintain Alexander Park. So lots. This is the parking area right here that you're giving over at the Bridge Point. Yes. Where parking lot right there? Yes.
Right there. Right. 50 parking spaces. So, if you own this this access road right here, um why wouldn't this be the main access road and not interfere with the uh Obridge uh main access to the
Garden State Parkway, which is our only access to the parkway in the northern part of of our uh uh of Obridge. Well, I'll let our traffic consultant handle that, but I think what we're proposing is an upgrade, not not a impediment.
Well, if you've driven that road long enough, I've driven it down 45, 50 years now, and you put something on there, it's an impediment, but we'll talk to the traffic people about that. Well, okay. Okay. And there's one more I may
there is one more uh important thing in my opinion uh backing up our solution which is property of this size to to actually bear 529 units. It's better to have two
points of access from the safety viewpoint. I I completely understand that and that's slightly reasonable. But you're making this an emergency exit right now. This is not your main egress and this
over here is your main egress. Why wouldn't this be your emergency address and make this your your normal egress? Again, our traffic consultant will tell you why. And also and and you already own it. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Sorry. I'm sorry. Go
ahead. and and and that uh entrance uh to our property has be become signalized to alleviate some of the problems with uh that occur today at the bridge. So the problems that you've
had for 40 years or 45 years uh I think uh the improvements that the county is requiring and transit is requiring well more so turnpike authority um and you'll hear about
those. Uh I think the intent of all of that it's a lot of money. It's three or4 million dollars worth of improvements or more. That's the whole intent of that is to improve the uh traffic uh along Madawan.
Okay. Thank you. But somebody smarter than me will tell you about it. Okay. Um are we all through on this? Oh, go ahead, Mr. Uh yeah. Not to be redundant, but every catch basin is getting pumped
up like No. No. And you're talking about catch basins? Well, that's that's stone water. Yeah. And stone water is being dis is going to be discharged into the creek. You said earlier, I'm sorry. Did you say into the creek earlier? I was
saying that catch basins via pipe uh via pipe system which is called collector system will be discharged into those three basins. Okay. Okay. uh and through those basins where the
the waters runoff will be exposed to some treatment in terms of water quality and peak rates of runoff will be discharged onto the permitted uh rates back into the whale creek.
Okay. So my question was so which one of the that upper one the largest one is the sewage? No, that has nothing to do with sewage. Yeah. Okay. So, they're all retention basins. Yes. Now, you said they're going
to be released into the creek by gravity, by a pump. By gravity. Okay. The storm water management system works only by gravity. Yeah, I understand that. So, where does the creek terminate? Down south. creek on the
property terminates at this approximately at this location and then it goes into the culvert under the railroad. Okay. Is that part of your property or is that someone else's property? Yes. The the point of discharge ultimate point of discharge of these three basins they cascade from one
to another. Mhm. The final point of discharge is past this largest largest pond at this location. Okay. So at this location this this property would be will be runoff from the property will be discharged back into
the creek into the creek under the permitted rates. Yeah. Under the permitted rates. Now in the case of a major storm, how is it how is that regulated going into that creek? That's why these
basins are actually designed to comply with high uh intensity, high intensity, low current storms up to 100 year storm. Okay. And I believe I mentioned before that this actually our system is
slightly u oversized. So we are cutting down those those peaks quite substantially way below what's required by rules and regulations. And you said there's a double pitch going into the creek obviously. So
okay, that's it. Thank you. Anybody else? I have a couple questions. Okay, go ahead. So, the parking lot on lot C that's owned by your representative today. And
then at some point you're going to turn it over to Bridgepoint. Yes. Um, how long are you planning to do the maintenance on that? Uh, once it's turned over, it's it's Bridge Point. I believe we have a settlement agreement or an agreement on
uh and it lays out the the uh terms of when that gets turned over. It also I might add although I think it's going to have to be built to 50 that it was going to be built at 30 spaces and if that was
sufficient uh the other 20 would not be built. But ultimately it could it could be that up to 50 uh spaces could be on that park in that parking lot and then I I'm not sure but I think um uh parallel
parking is permitted on Alexander but I'm not I'm not it's not just permitted it's actually painted right now fading away but it's on it it's there. Okay. Okay. Um, in testimony tonight, we heard that
the area between the creek and Beyond is going to remain woods. Is that indefinite? The green area there. Yes. Yeah, that's no development. Deed restricted. Never going to be any development 20 years
from now, 30 years from now. Yeah, it's not developable. So, That's something we could talk about. Some of that has to be maybe part of a conservation easement that we have to give uh D, but it's not it it it's not
going to be developed. And if and if there's a condition that it be deed restricted, I don't I don't think you know that's not a problem. I personally would like to see it restricted written black and white so it's very clear for the future. It is developable because you proposed a
development. So, just want to make sure when I say it's not developable under our plan, that's it's not developable. We're putting all of we can't we we always had only 529 units, but there were I don't know how many below the
stream. So, when we when they got moved above the stream, there's no other development that we're permitted to have residential development in that green area. Yeah, I I appreciate that. You know, I'm
lifelong bridge and I want to see bridge remain as green as possible. So, I think that's important. Um um what else did I have? I I I think I have a little better understanding of the retention ponds. U you know, we deal with them in public works all the time,
so I see how the water's moving through. Um, I appreciate it being oversized because the 100red-year storm is a little bit more common than it used to be. You know, the weather patterns are definitely changing. So, you know, uh, I mean, you could see we don't get snow anymore. Now it it's all rain. So,
having that oversized, uh, retention pond is definitely important. And you know I would like that whatever maintenance you guys perform on them really keep up with them because if that orphice exiting the uh the retention pond gets clogged it
causes a lot of issues. So maintenance is really important. Well remember one of the things that uh redeem prepared was an operation and maintenance manual and it lays out all the terms of maintenance obligations. Yes. You got anything for me or? No. Sidebar.
He was asking me about something that I mentioned early on that we do annual maintenance of the site. Perfect. The you you have your main exit point with the traffic signal. Unfortunately, motor vehicle crashes still occur at
traffic lights. So, you have your emergency exit. I'm assuming that's going to be blocked off with some kind of device. The emergency access, we actually got a comment from the engineer and there was a correct comment that the emergency access would be uh somehow blocked.
Usually it's like a two pylons with a chain chain across uh with the keys to that uh to that to the lock available to the emergency vehicles of the township. Okay. So, if there was a crash and nobody could exit your development from the permitted exit,
would you guys utilize that for motor vehicle traffic or is that strictly for fire, first aid, police? It's strictly for the emergency vehicles, but should there be any, you know, kind of big accident or Oh, you mean if something happens at the intersection, correct? The people start turning around and
going through there. Not so much the the the traffic on Madawan Road. the people that are going to live in this development, if there's a issue and they can't get out, they're stuck until that gets resolved. Casey, can I help you with that? At that time, the police pretty much have the jurisdiction
jurisdiction to do whatever they want to do. These guys don't have control over that. I was actually going to add that depending on what tragedy might have happened, it's either police or OEM. If that becomes but it's a township issue saying the, you know, it's a health hazard for these people not to be able
to exit. the police could then open up that, but it's that's going to be in the township's purview at that point. Um, it's not something that the applicant can then make a decision and open up. Okay. Would it be beneficial to have a gate like we installed at the end of Oakwoods Parkway where the emergency
personnel when they pull up, it opens automatically cuz if there's a fire or some serious situation, you know, they don't now they got to find a key to to get through these these chains. Yeah. I I our usual um procedure is to is to discuss with
fire and OEM and and police and and basically give them what they want there. So that that's that's what we'll do when if the applicant acts or if this is acted upon favorably by the board prior to final, we'll we'll coordinate with with the emergency services. Yeah.
I just think it's important. Um, you know, if somebody needs help, we need to make sure our our absolutely and um, as of right now, I think that's all I have. I I appreciate the deed restriction on that property, though. Okay. Thank you. Uh, got a couple
questions. That small lot C, the one that uh, currently has a road going through it, that's going to be a a parking parking area. Yes. Is it going to be for commuters only or a mix? No, no, no.
That's for Bridge Point for the condo. Oh, okay. It's going to become part of the condominium land. Oh, because right now they park on Madawan Road parking. Right. We understood that there was some shortage of parking or problem with
My other question is where Whale Creek runs off your uh sheet to the right there. Uh that lot, you have something written on that lot. Um, I'm sure it tells you the acreage and the Which one, Mr. Chair? The the the the large one
below Whale Creek. Below Whale Creek. Below Whale Creek. Listen to North That would be the northeast corner. That that big lot there. That one. Who owns that? We Mr. Alfury. Oh, so it's it's part of And well, no, that I can't
uh I'm trying to remember what what No, no, I understand. He owns it, but that can't be developed. Okay, that's all I have. Okay. Are we I thought he
was okay. Uh, we're going to open to the public now for questions of the engineer. And just so aware, this is just questions of the testimony from this witness at this time. Right. At the end of the hearing, uh, all comments and, uh, general questions can be brought up.
Right. Dave stickers strictly questions. David Merwin, Lawrence Harour. The um, Boy, you guys are smart. You got to have my questions asked. the
um doesn't Oldbridge Township have an ordinance that says there must be two ingress ingress and egress. So the this site uh is actually governed by the residential site improvement
standards, the state's site improvement standards um which don't have a requirement like that. they basically require design. Um that's one of the reasons why the applicant actually has the boulevard entrance because that way it actually that that divided road
actually serves as the the alternate means of egress but the applicant has provided that emergency access for in case of emergencies for for people to get in and out. But it this is compliant with RSIS. The Yeah, if the um I don't believe the
township actually has a requirement to provide two means of access, but I thought they did. If if it did and I I could be wrong. If it did, uh the residential site improvement standards would actually supersede that requirement. Yeah, if you
Yeah, this is the boulevard. So, I'm aware I'm a I'm aware I'm aware that what if the gas leak is right there on the boulevard? Well, you have and how do people get out?
We It's a gas leak. Ain't nobody going up one end of the boulevard or the other boulevard. The gas leak is not going to be on both sides. There's two lanes. So, if one lane gets blocked, that's the whole point of the R. The other lane is I think what I think what Mr. Merwin's
saying is that if there's a gas leak over there, you're not you're not going to be allowed near there. But but the the there is an alternate means of getting out if if for emergency purposes. We just were speaking of that when Mr. Lenny was asking this emergency. Yeah. I I just don't know why
you own Alexander Boulevard. Why you just don't have two ingress I you know why you don't have to why aren't we building an entrance? I think the your complex, you know, and then and then no matter which end something happens, they
can get out. I understand these little 12 house developments maybe not having two two in and outs. This is 529 units. Yeah. As far as and I'll let Mr. uh Cooera and Mr. Alpier answer it as well,
but I wasn't involved in the initial conception of this plan. That was probably done gosh 10 12 years with many years ago. Fair share plan. Yeah. Many, you know, many years ago. But the um the general idea though, I think, is they
wanted to have main access off of Madawan directly to the development for emergencies. They have the alternate means of access because they didn't want to overload uh the one boulevard entrance where you already have a a pretty significant condominium complex that that accesses out to me road. I'll let I'll let the applicants traffic
engineer answer that as well when he gets up. We'll have uh Carl answer that. But from RSI standpoint, that is two entrances. The boulevard, it complies with RSI standards. We understand that. I would agree with you. You know, it's
two, but not in reality. Um and in case you hit on it, I I you know, it's one of the the big notes here. uh you know you have that whole eastern portion of land you have 106
units that they had proposed to build there now I understand it doesn't meet the zoning so what did they do in this town they come and go before the zoning board and they get approvals to go beyond and above and beyond so I would
love that deed restriction that they aren't able to build anything on east of that whale creek you and come back and say, "Hey, you know, maybe we want to put 50 units there or something." Let's say no. Let's all right.
Applicants agreed to that. Great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for your uh questions. Anybody else from the audience would like to Okay, we'll close this portion. Thank you for your testimony.
Thank you. Do we need to go through? I don't think we do because we generally talked about storm water conditions um u and other you know the landscaping. We were going to we had a list that we were going to go and say well we comply
you know we're not going to talk about this one because we comply and we're I don't think we need to do that. I think the discussion how it went um especially since this is for preliminary only is that um the applicants what the resolution would say if this gets approved would be the res the applicant
agrees to work with the board's professionals to address the comments one way or the other you know we'll work on the final language uh uh prior to coming back for final approval yeah and then we don't that way we don't have to go through the 200 so comments
200 or whatever it may be uh at at this meeting, but the board understands that the professionals, you know, they have the copy of the report, they know what the concerns are, and they know the applicants going to work with our board professionals in between, and that that you guys will be coming back uh for final at some point. Yes. Hopefully, if
we get correct, that was the assumption. Uh our uh I I don't think there are any architectural issues because he testified in in uh February, but Oh.
Were there more uh questions from the public? We did. Oh, I didn't see any. Yes. So, you have to you have to come up to the mic. Uh sorry if we didn't see your hand. The chairman had closed the public because we didn't see anyone else wanting to come up. We'll open it up for
you, sir. Yes. I'm uh Dave Goodwin from Lawrence Harbor. Okay. Uh what's going to be the total uh of apartments you're going to build? You know, I I I didn't hear that. 529.
529. And uh did they take uh Lawrence Harbor into consideration with the traffic flow? You know, in my opinion, I think it'd be a disaster, you know. Well, we do have the next witness is the traffic witness. So,
we're going to hear that testimony next. And uh you know, not only that, uh you have the glass works down Clifford Avenue and you know, they're building up you it looks like it's going to be a state, you know, they're building so
many units there, you know, and that's my concern uh with Lawrence Harbor. Well, the traffic engineer will be next and you can Yeah. Then they're talking about making a a three lane on the bridge. Then that's going to close
everything up on Madam Road, you know. So, okay, that's all I have to say. Okay. Thank you. We got another customer. Step right up here. Good evening, gentlemen, ladies. Uh, my name's Elliot Fshine. I live in Bridge
Point. On the landscaping, um, I'm assuming to the right is that's Bridge Point above. Yes. How close is that building in orange next to Bridge Point? Uh, redeem. I'm sorry. You have to get
back in front of the mic. Just we're broadcasting this. It's all being recorded. I I'm just guessing because the uh the landscaping buffer is 50 ft. So I'm prorating it and from the property line and can we put up the landscape? Yeah. Can we go back to landscaping, please?
Yeah, that one. No, no, I'm going Yeah. Okay. So, we see Yep, that's correct. Yep. So you're telling you're telling 100t 150 ft roughly 150 ft and you have trees that's trees that
are there going to block yes trees evergreens minimize an impact and that's can I just ask what is the um is that in the because I live on Hannah is that where Hannah is that the
side of Hannah or is that on the other side of is on a capa site. Can you I'm sorry. Can you repeat the question? No, I just want to know what's I live on Hannah. Is that Hannah or is that Capeka? Andrew, Andrew, are the streets? They're
not. They're not labor. Well, they should. I mean, honestly, they should. You should know. I mean what's street is because I get the letters okay on Hannah and I have a suggestion I cannot understand anything that anything you know when I get the letters from the the civil engineer letters I that's why I'm
questioning this because I don't understand anything. So now you you're telling me that you don't know what street that is. It's either Hannah or Capika. It's not something that we would normally list. By the way, this ordinance standard is 50 ft. You're
getting 150 ft. 150 ft. Okay. Well, I guess there's nothing you could do about it. My other question is to the board. I lived in North Edison for over 20 years. We had a big explosion in
construction houses, people, you know, loads and loads of people. Is there anything in plan or any any contingency plan or anything that will uh you know correct the let's say with the schools you have 529 units that are going in do
we know how many people how many people are going to be in those you know the total amount of population in the units do we know what the total amount of units of the population is going to be the part of the record is a community
impact statement okay and I So again, my my question is, are there going to be plans for the school system? Because in North Edison, we had kids that are were learning in trailers. Now, obviously, I'm 67 years old. I don't have I have
grandchildren. So, it's important for me to understand or everybody to understand what are they going to do with the in new influx of children in the you know, going to the schools. Is there is there any thought to this at all? Good question. Is
And I guess and I guess from the silence there hasn't been any no from when ordinances are adopted things that are taken into account are impacts on various elements of the of the of the township including
uh the schools. But I'm not talking to Mr. Alfy's attorney. I'm talking to the planning board. Well, I can all I can say is that th this was in including the number of units was part of a settlement agreement the township entered into with
Mr. Alfairi as well as other developers for its third round affordable housing compliance. Uh that was settlement agreement was approved by the court. It was gone through. That was well before my time. So I can't tell you what was going on in people's minds then or what discussions were taking place or not.
But at that time uh that would have been considered. It would have been talked about when because the when the ordinance was adopted, it was adopted pursuant to the settlement agreement which set forth the total number of units, the maximum density that would be permitted here. So at that time, the
township had to have considered what that impact is to be able to say, "Okay, we're going to let you build 529 units." Because the board here is not saying we're not granting a variance or we're not granting any approval that's saying you can build 529 units. the the
settlement agreement, the court and the ordinances already say that those have been in place for 10 to 15 years. All the board has can view at this point is does the plan that's being presented comply with the terms of that settlement agreement and and uh the ordinance that
were in place because of it. So I I get your frustration. I get your I I I totally and and if if this was a new development that was coming before the board that's never been heard of before, these are questions that we would absolutely have delt into. Uh Mr.
Petrino talked about how some of that information is provided in the community impact statement that was provided. But to say why do they get why are they allowed to build 529? That was something decided 10 to 15 years ago. And this board doesn't have the authority to say no, you can't. It's going to be too much
of an impact. I'm not saying that I there's no problem with advancements in, you know, in properties and things of 529 units. I'm saying you're going to have 529 units. You're going to have, let's say, 5,000 more people that are coming in. You're going to have a lot a lot of children that are going to go
into the Oldbridge town into the township school system. What is in place to absorb that? And again, I'm on, you know, like a lot of other, you know, people of my age, we're on fixed income, so you know what's going to happen with your taxes because it happened in North Edison. and I lived there for 20 years.
I was involved in school system and you know it doesn't seem like the there's an imp there was any kind of an impact statement or anything to address what's you know all of these kids going into the school and you know what's going to happen with the taxes they're all going to go taxes are going to go
up so as a as a council representative the one thing I can say so this property will be paying the full school tax there is no like agreements or anything like that. There's no such thing as a tax abatement. So theoretically, let I'm
going to use smaller numbers for myself. So the school gets around 58 59% of of every dollar, right? So they will they will get that out of this property. So as this property is developed, the property will be reassessed to the value
of what it will be. So let's say it's valued at $100 today with all these units. If it's valued at $1,000, right, the school will get 10 times the taxes based off of this property and then the school will be able to utilize those
funds to do whatever they need to in order to uh to accommodate to accommodate the students the increase in the population. I hope so because it didn't happen. No, unfortunately where I where I lived I I don't you know No, I I I totally understand but uh at JP Stevens
High School the kids were learning in trailers. Totally. And that was you know and the taxes and the taxes are as as expensive as here. Yes. No, I I 100% agree. I just wanted to make sure that a lot of folks have are under the mis conception that
any and all developers get 20-year abatements and they don't there is no level of that. So should the school board, they will get that money and then the folks that sit on that board of education as well as the the administration there will have the opportunity to utilize those funds
whether they need to improve a school like Madison uh like any of those schools that are down there like they'll be able to um to do so. So they'll have the funds available to them from from really from the get-go. As things come online, the assessments change, then the
taxes will raise along with the assessed value of the property. And then just one one last question. Um lot B is not being developed now. Correct. Am I correct in part of this application? Okay. But I don't know if you could is lot B going to be considered for residential housing
again, you know, down the road? Not unless the zoning's changed. Okay. The agree Joe, can you talk about that's in place at that point? The settlement agreement that would even as modified still provides that that lot B is to be developed as a non-residential as a
non-residential non-residential development. Okay. All right. So unless something changes that would be outside of this board's cons, you know, at the township level, then that's what it is. Okay. All right. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Um
any of you last? I was going to make a comment what was not said, but I'll wait. You want to wait till the traffic study? I'm sorry. I think it may make more sense. Okay. Yeah, there'll be another after after each witness the public gets
gets to ask questions of that witness and then at the very end of the hearing when the applica applicant rests then you can come up and make any comments, questions, statements, whatever you want at that point about the application in general. [Music] There you go. I got one. Okay. Would you
please raise your right hand? Uh do you swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give this evening is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Can you please just state and spell your record for uh spell state and spell your name for the record? Sorry. Yes, certainly. Uh for the record, my name is Carl with a K. Peny. P is in Peter. E H N K E. By way of
qualifications, I am uh vice president uh with Langan Engineering Environmental Services. I am a registered professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My license is in good standing. My area of uh expertise uh since 1985 has been in traffic engineering and I've appeared
before this board many times in the past uh including on this application. Okay, you're accepted. Thank you. Thank you all my questions. Yeah, I don't like questions. All right. Um, did you just a couple uh did you prepare or
supervise the preparation of the traffic impact study last revised March 15, 2024? I did. All right. And then did you prepare or supervise the preservation of the improvement plans along Matalon Madawan
uh road uh both phases one and two? I did. Okay. There should be two exhibits. Uh, can we put the first one up that I will talk to? So, this is this is um new. All right. This will be No, these were these were
submitted with the application. Oh, they're not new. Okay. Okay. Then we don't have to mark these. Uh, this is the Yep. For the other Put the other one up. That's the phase one. This is phase two. If you can just please when you reference it, just
identify for the record. I will. So, uh, just to lay a little bit of groundwork before I discuss these two preliminary plans, uh, in terms of, uh, my involvement with this property, I've been involved with planning and studying, uh, the development of this track since the the
early 2000s. Uh through the years there's been uh several different uh concepts and considerations for the development of this property which over the years has really downsized itself to this current application for residential
uh development with 529 units as as this application is presenting to the board. Uh our analysis is documented within the traffic study that's dated most revis 2024. Uh over those years I've had uh uh
a lot of opportunity to become familiar with the site uh to sample uh traffic on the roadway system uh including traffic data that was collected back in the late 90s uh early 2007 2008 2013 2019 uh
2022. uh all of which uh has developed a a fairly substantial database that we've evaluated uh through the years and used to define and understand access opportunities to this property and infrastructure needs. Also during the
course of uh that time I've had opportunities on uh many occasions to meet with uh what was then the Garden State Parkway Authority which is now the New Jersey Turnpike Authority as well as uh Mammoth County to discuss various
aspects uh of uh uh opportunities and improvements along Madawan Road and at interchange uh 120. Most recently, there's been a series of meetings in late 2024 and then subse uh subsequent
to that in early 2025 without our involvement quite frankly uh between the township and county and turnpike uh to further uh involve the interests of those agencies, the municipality uh and most recently actually New Jersey
Transit has also become involved uh in those discussions. Uh and all of that's been considered through through the years. Uh the traffic study itself which is submitted with this application is prepared in accordance with standard uh engineering protocols. Uh we've
documented the uh the the existing roadway system. We've inventoried the traffic controls. Uh as I said we've collected the data through the years that have uh all corresponded with each other and given us a good snapshot of traffic conditions on the the roadway
system. Uh the traffic study also includes a projection as to the amount of traffic that will be generated by a community of this size. Uh that projection as this board is uh aware is made utilizing industry accepted data that's published by the institute of
transportation engineers and the publication trip generation which is currently in its 11th edition. uh and that data is is substantiative for residential development and as I said it is the source data that is used by the county, the state, the municipality in
understanding the traffic generation uh of of the site. uh traffic engineers in particular uh seek to look at the uh the peaks uh on the road system when the road systems are peaking its traffic and when the project development will be
peing its traffic and the overlay of those two conditions for residential development that generally occurs on a typical weekday and these days Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday uh uh during the morning commuter hour and the evening commuter hour which out here is
generally occurring between 7:30 and 8:30 a.m. and again 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. Those are the the the peaks that we look to model and understand the geometry and traffic controls that are needed to safely uh process traffic flows. The
traffic study also does uh document a detailed modeling again using currently industry practice uh of the adjacent roadway system uh in order to confirm the geometry that's needed. uh and uh we've actually gone further that with
than that with the county and turnpike and have simulated traffic flows for the turnpike uh for them to understand the operations of the roadway system. All of that's documented in the traffic study and it's been boiled down uh through the years. We really have understood the
solutions on this roadway for several years now. uh it's just a matter of uh having advant advanced approvals uh which we're in various uh uh levels of and I'd like to talk to you a little bit on that and just to touch on a little bit about the access opportunity of the
property first before I get into the specific improvements. Uh as was just recently discussed this property basically fronts on Madawan Road in two locations. One is through the parcel that goes out uh through Alexandria Parkway and serves as the main access
for the Bridge Point Condominium Associnium Association. And the second is at the frontage that we have on Madawan Road by the interchange. Unfortunately, what we recognized way back in the early 2000s was that the uh the frontage wasn't sufficient to
properly locate a driveway uh on Madawan Road at the the near the interchange itself and needed to be expanded in order to get an alignment with the uh Turnpike ramps. Uh and that was the subject of the recent conversation about the acquisition of the the parcel that I
had identified years ago needed to be acquired to to accomplish that. Uh the the intent is to provide the uh the access where it is least disruptive. It has the least impact on the Bridgeoint Condominium Association, not adding
additional traffic to where those residents lived. And that was a significant concern to the association and its residents through the many years that this project has evolved. Uh in addition, its access to Madawan Road uh is relatively constrained. It doesn't
have left turn lanes. a single lane uh on Madawan Road at that location. Very little frontage to do any substantial improvements at that location. So all of that dictated that the right place to act uh to to set up a an access location
was closer to the interchange where all of our traffic or the majority of our traffic would be traveling to anyway. So So we needed to deal with the traffic at the interchange uh regardless of whether or not we came in on uh Alexandria Parkway. So after after all is said and
done uh with all the analysis through the years and and and the modeling and so forth, what we focused in on is uh basically uh two sets of improvements. Uh the important improvements to the north side of the uh interchange include
establishing the access to the green and old bridge which will be a boulevard driveway as discussed that extends down into the tract. Uh it is basically uh set up to have a multi-lane approach to Madawan Road. A left turn lane uh a
through lane and a through right turn lane. Three lanes to maximize the capacity, minimize the cues and uh and maximize the efficiency of utilization of a traffic signal at that location. With regard to Madawan Road itself, as
you come over the bridge, over the Parkway, uh, right where the structural component of the Parkway bridge ends, we begin a widening. It's a substantial substantial widening over 1,200 ft in length. that opens up uh Madawan Road to
provide two separate left turn lanes onto the northbound on-ramp, a separated through lane outside of the queue area of the left turning vehicles and a right turn lane into the green and all bridge. All of that is set up based on the
modeling to eliminate the issues that occur there today where you have a single lane coming across the bridge that feeds uh both the left and through movements on Madawan Road. So, anybody waiting to make a left to get onto the Parkway today basically blocks the
through traffic by the widening that's being uh designed and constructed there. We separate uh the various components, the left turn traffic, the through traffic and the right turn traffic. Similarly, in the southbound direction along the park, uh we widen to provide a
left turn lane separating turning traffic into the green and old bridge from the through traffic. We maintain a through lane uh across the bridge and we create a right turn lane onto the northbound on-ramp. The northbound on-ramp itself gets reconfigured to have
two receiving lanes that are properly then merged down to one lane in accordance with turnpike standards. And the ramp itself is widened as it come off the turnpike uh off the Parkway uh to provide a left turn lane to northbound uh Madawan Road, a separate
through lane uh into the uh Green and Old Bridge and a right turn lane to the southbound Madawan Road. Again, the intersection will be signalized. It will also include all current standards for pedestrian accommodation and that's
important because that also provides the multimmodal pedestrian solution to this site which will provide a a connect a uh provide a connected pedestrian path across Madawan Road at a safe signalized crossing to a sidewalk that will extend
down to the sidewalk that was constructed on the north side of the bridge when the turnpike redid the the bridge deck. So, there will be a uh pedestrian connection that gets you uh across and across the turnpike uh the
the parkway to uh to the park and ride and the transit facilities that exist down there. As I said, the intersection will be signalized and in effect at the end of the day, an intersection that currently is operating at failing levels of service will be improved to sea
levels of service. And for the public, uh just a little bit of uh of what that means. Uh from a traffic engineering standpoint, uh while we do detail modeling that calculates delays and cues and so forth, we attempt to simplify it
by creating a uh a rating system, which is basically a tof, none unlike an old grade school report card. A being free flow conditions, something you experience in the middle of the night in New Jersey. F being uh a a failing
condition. However, failing condition doesn't mean congestion and backup. means that when you get to the traffic signal, you may wait a cycle uh before you get through the intersection or or at a stop controlled intersection, you may be waiting uh 30, 40, 50 seconds uh
with a couple of cars in front of you before make your turn to choose a gap and and make a turn. Uh so in this case, we have an intersection that is failing. uh predominantly the uh the turns off of the ramp are experiencing long delays because of the heavy traffic on Madawan
Road, particularly the high left turn traffic in the AM to the northbound uh Parkway. Uh and when we're done with the the lane configuration and traffic control at this intersection, it'll be improved to level of service uh C
operations with all of the traffic generated by the 529 residential units. So, that's a good thing. Uh this improvement has been uh agreed to uh by the the the the county as well as the turnpike. The configuration shown on
this particular plan uh actually includes uh the geometric recommendations of the turnpike in terms of how they wanted to see the signal configured as well as uh the uh the county. And in fact, we are well along
probably about 80% designed uh on this intersection getting ready to submit back to the the county and turnpike. The only thing we're finalizing now is our drainage design uh at this intersection. So we're well advanced and this would be phase one and would be established
associated with the initial development of the project. Obviously it needs to be because to have the first unit occupied, you have to have the driveway and the signal operated. So it gets built in one shot, one phase uh and will exist uh when the development comes on comes
online. When we go to this to the next exhibit, what we call phase two, uh under the settlement agreement, uh if you can bring that up under the settlement agreement, uh the requirement was to signalize the existing southbound
ramp. So, uh, just to give you a little bit of a clearer picture, the existing southbound off-ramp actually comes down and travels through the existing park and ride and then connects with Madawan Road at this location. The settlement agreement required traffic signalization
of that ramp. This has evolved uh as a result of the input of the turnpike authority, the county, and the township to some something much more substantiative. Uh again this intersection today is operating at level
of service EF conditions uh and we are improving it to level of service B as in boy conditions and that is being done as a result of input from the the uh turnpike authority as well as the county. The county is required that we
introduce uh a left turn lane to the southbound onramp uh as well as maintain the right turn lane onto the southbound on-ramp. the turnpike has required or is requiring that we reconfigure the sort
of disjointed mess of the ramp uh inner sort of inner circulating through their park and ride. So there uh this concept shown here was provided to us in 2024 from uh the turnpike authority for
us to design uh and it basically uh relocates the southbound off-ramp to the what I would call the north side of the park and ride creates a new signalized intersection with the required turn lanes and uh reorders the park and ride
separate from the ramp. Where we are today on this is uh uh what we were talking about earlier. We are waiting for final feedback from the uh turnpike authority. The county, the municipality and the turnpike authority and New Jersey Transit had uh one or two
meetings uh to discuss their various input and they have put this out to their consultant Michael Baker to refine the plan. As soon as we receive those uh final uh that final input from the turnpike authority, uh we are prepared
to proceed with the the design of the southside. And again, the southside would be implemented uh at the halfway mark of the the development. uh and uh in accordance with a settlement agreement that uh does not require the signal to be in place for any number
particular number of units, we will have it in place for uh the the uh the the the the midpoint uh 265 units for the development. So that basically summarizes uh the considerable work
that's been done. Uh obviously there is a lot of effort and a lot of different interests uh here that we've been working through between the county uh the turnpike and and now most recently New Jersey Transit. We think we're unwinding it all. Uh we certainly have the north side figured out uh and the
south side. I I hope to be putting full pen to paper within the coming month or two. Uh we're all set to go on that uh and and get that designed and and permitted for construction. And really that summarizes where we are on traffic. I think redeem has really described the
site. It is compliant with the residential site improvement standards for a multifamily development supported by a parking lot. The circulation is straightforward. The access is appropriate uh and will support the residents of that uh new community uh in
this municipality. Are you finished? Yes. Okay. Well, I guess Mr. Trudeau, that would be your forte. Yeah, I I I had some comments on the report. A lot of it had to do with the L, you know, like and it's difficult
here because the uh parkway is kind of running east west in this area and it's a north south road. So, I know it gets a little hard to explain it. So, that's yeah, mostly it's was about clarifications. The one thing that uh I did note that was uh the counts were done in 2022 and we're out almost 3
years. So, I was a little concerned that conditions may have changed out there and that maybe we wanted to, you know, maybe the count should be redone at one or more locations just to confirm that things haven't changed and that the the baseline, you know, assumptions back
then are still are still true. Um, I know you you're you know, you have you you're applying a uh u you know, growth rates and everything to that. So, uh, you know, I mean, that takes into account somewhat, I I'm sure, but, um,
you know, just the amount of time that's elapsed since since the counts were done. And I think the other major point that I had in my my comments were that, um, you took it and I from what I'm saying, you took addition adjacent developments into account. um wasn't
sure um you know when that was information was obtained and you know maybe if there was a need to go back and see if things h have changed in the near 3 years since that information was gathered if other sites have come in and been approved
that could affect the the no build condition here. So that was another concern that I had you know that again could have could change the results. I mean as far as the design that you know I think what you have there makes a lot of sense. uh you know looks looks good.
Uh uh I don't see any particular issues with it. Uh I do know earlier you mentioned about getting Baker to uh re approve things and I can understand you're you're waiting. Yes, I know. I I' I've been in your position. Believe me,
I know. So uh yeah, but assuming you know they buy in and they don't want any significant changes, I guess I guess everything's good. One thing uh on on the plans it looks like I heard earlier that the bridge is now three lanes. No. So so the bridge is it was reconstructed
deck was reconstructed by the turnpike authority I don't know about six or seven years ago now. Uh it was uh reconstructed with a wider uh sidewalk area and a narrower cartway width. Uh the thought on the three lanes actually
evolved way back when we were thinking about a heavier commercial use on this site. It was a one point I think 600 6 700,000 square foot of office. The three lanes really is not needed. What's needed is the geometric improvements that have been developed at each end of the bridge. Uh which is part of the
evolution that's happened at the south side where we've gone from a simple traffic signal to some fairly substantiative reconstruction and realignments. uh the north side uh we have plenty of distance from actually the bridge structure in order to uh
develop the lane arrangement as I showed on the uh the phase one. So uh you know basically uh the need for any restriping of the bridge which is from an engineering standpoint not practical anymore uh is really obiated by these improvements. Okay, that you know I
looks good. You know I think I think question pedestrian access to the park and ride. Sure. Just explain. Yeah. So so as I said on the north side uh the traffic signal will have all pedestrian bells and whistles. the when they redid the
deck, they built a uh I think it's a six to eight foot, it might even actually be eight foot wide pedestrian uh concrete path on the north side of the the bridge that carries all the way to the south side and then today it sort of ends. So, we're picking that up with a path that
continues down to the new signal. And we're actually picking up the sidewalk that is to the south of us on the south side of Madawan Road, carrying that up to the new signal, creating pedestrian crossing under signal control and tying
that into the park and ride. And what has been happening, and I don't have the final answer on that, is how New Jersey Transit wants to operate. This concept showed establishing a bus stop within the park and ride that both directions
of the the transit would come into and utilized. I understand there might still be some discussion about maintaining a bus stop on uh Madawan Road as it is today. I think the stop is actually just to the south of our winding, but
whatever it is, that's not a argument with us. It's whatever transit wants. Uh we've got the opportunity to do it. are just waiting to be told what it is. But yeah, so so at the end of the day, if you use the bus, you have full pedestrian access to cross the bridge
and get to the uh green at Old Bridge. Can I just uh There were two comments about traffic counts and other developments. How would you respond to that? So, so with regard to traffic counts, we don't have an intention to to go back and revisit. Uh, you know, as I
said, we've been taking counts out here since '98, 2000, 2008, 13. What we found through the years is the volumes have been relatively consistent. This design has basically evolved and been consistent through all those years.
There's a high level of northbound traffic on Madawan Road that makes the left onto the Parkway northbound in the morning, and there's a heavy return traffic in in the evening. that pattern has basically stayed consistent uh relatively consistent through the years.
With regard to other developments, the only real major development in this area uh has been the glass work site uh which actually I did the traffic study for. So this traffic impact study when it was prepared reflected the actual level of development that was already in place
when we last did the counts in 2022 and that remaining to be constructed. So it was current as of 2022 in terms of the volumes that development hasn't changed. It actually has well actually I should say it has changed in the last year and a half. It has downsized and has
eliminated its commercial component. That's reflected in this traffic study. It no longer has a commercial component. It's gone to all residential. Okay. Mr. Darcy, do you have any comments? I don't have any questions for Mr. Thank you. And and certainly we'll
provide a full response to the comments. Thank you. U I don't have any comments. Okay. Uh anybody to my right? Go ahead, Eric. All right. I have a few. Um so one of them you actually answered. I was wondering how the the buses would
ingress and egress. So that's still something that they're waiting contemplating and yeah, we're waiting for final determination on this particular plan. Uh the intent was for the buses to be able to come in uh and
use a uh a bus stop at this location and a bus stop at this location. That was the last concept we had with pedestrian connectivity. I understand and maybe could tell tell me further that they might be trying to take both directions
of the bus into the site. Yes, they're and that's that's what I think was probably one of the bigger items they've been grappling with. So would you be doing the improvements on the parkingard? Yes. Okay. So whatever the whatever is whatever they come back
unless it's obscenely wrong uh we will be designing. Yes. Okay. Um the trip generation, right? What was it when you first started to look at it versus what it is with 2022? So what is the what is the
variance in the numbers? says it's been pretty consistent in how how the traffic flow has been. Um it's it's actually been up and down through the years. uh in we we saw some fairly steady when we
did counts back in 2007, 2008, 2013 and I think it was 2019 we were seeing relative consistency uh a little bit up and down bouncing uh and then 2022 again same patterns slightly down uh which isn't inconsistent with what we're
seeing postcoid these days it's still down a little bit uh but uh but for the most part the patterns are the same like the left turn onto the parkways always been bouncing 7800 vehicles per hour someplace in in that that area. Uh and
that's really the the most challenging issue we've always had is that left turn to northbound parkway which is coming up from from from from the south and going north and then there's a very heavy right turn coming off on the southbound direction in the PM. Uh which is makes
sense. It's the communal patterns of the residents in this area. Mhm. And then the improvements that you're doing uh going south, so coming down then going to southbound onto the Parkway, it's going to be signalized at that turning.
It will be signalized at this location. So, uh to to if if you look, you can see sort of the shading of the underlying existing road. So, today uh what happens is Madawan Road comes up and drops as a lane into the ramp that's actually at this location. Mhm. We're actually
taking that southbound offramp, sliding it to a line with a new uh southbound off-ramp. The southbound off-ramp today comes through the park and ride and gets to the to what I would call the south side of the park and ride. We're separating it, bringing it to the north
side of it, aligning it with the on-ramp, and then creating a signalized pedestrian controlled intersection, introducing a left turn lane that doesn't exist, and then maintaining that right turn lane that does exist onto the So, everywhere there's a crosswalk, in
essence, there's no longer going to be a yield sign getting on, getting off of the exit. It's just going to be all traffic signalization. all signals uh except for this location, this does stay still stay under yield control and that's that's what the county wants to
do. Okay. All right. So, there still would be a yield sign going away from your property. Uh correct. So, that heavy that heavy right would still be So, the yield the yield is just getting moved over from one side of the park and ride to the other. Right. And then and then we separate all activity in that
park and ride and whatever bus activity. Uh it makes a lot more sense. It becomes a park and ride versus a sort of what it is today. I know whenever the when I I drive into work, so when you get off and the bus is there, it stops traffic.
Danny, can you go back to the other um the other one? Okay. So, when we were talking about the that whole change right now,
they're you're making the lefthand turn, you're coming down. When you're making when you're coming up to get on, right, there's a yield sign. What's happening there? So, it's no longer going to be a yield. It's going to be a left turn. There's going to be a signalization,
right? So today you have a single lane on Madawan Road that comes up where you can make a left onto the ramp and you have like a channelized right turn lane with a yield sign. Correct. So what happens when it goes to signal control? There'll be a dual left turn lane, double stacking double left turn lane
that will run under a protected operation with no opposing traffic which will feed onto the ramp. And then uh the right turn again when when the through traffic is running on Madawan Road, the right turn will run uh protected. So there's going to be a dual
there's two left turn lanes. Dual left turn. Correct. So there'll be a left turn signal. Correct. Okay. Left turn arrows. Okay. And when all of these improvements are happening, right? So my big concern when we started talking about this is
how are we going to maintain traffic flow of 7 to 800 cars. Sure. So during whether it's a day or two I mean folks that are sitting here nodding their heads know that when if there's an accident on Route 35 that
becomes an absolute disaster. Yeah. So uh as part of the design plans there will be detailed staging and traffic control plans. I can tell you we started to look at that because as I said we are in well into design on this since we are uh basically in agreement with the
county and turnpike authority. Uh I can let you know that this is from a traffic control standpoint a relatively easy project to maintain traffic. Uh it is you're on the record and they're behind you. Yeah. No, it is it is so it is so
because really uh we have the opportunity basically to come in and the first phase uh basically cone off or barrier off our side of the road, do our box outs, our widenings while just maintaining traffic flow as is on the
roadway. Uh and then we're able to do something similar on the southbound side where we can also come in uh box off maintain the one lane of traffic in each direction and get the southbound uh lanes in place. And then once that's done, we have a lot of pavement then to
play with where we can maintain two lanes of traffic that's occurring out there as we start to bring the other elements online. So, uh, you know, there'll certainly be periods that'll generally be done off peak, whether it's midday or night work, uh, where we might need to close something because we're
we're cutting in a drainage ditch or something of that nature, but that's generally done with flagging operations and when traffic certainly not during the peak roadway hours. So, we won't always maintain each way. There may be points in time at some level. There may be
short periods of time. I mean, the intent would be to maintain it. If we can come across with a drainage run, come halfway uh and maintain two-way traffic. That's what we that would be our intention. But if there is an efficient way to to come in real quick, shut something with the cops for, you
know, a half hour and do something. But that wouldn't occur any time during or disrupt any peak period. Yeah. Uh I you know the whole the design intent on something like this particularly a major piece of infrastructure like this would be to maintain traffic at uh at all
times. We certainly wouldn't be doing any detours or road closures. Okay. So no deal. Okay. All right. And then coming out of the development right so we have 529 units. I always factor in two cars per you have over a thousand spots. So let's just say you filled with
thousand spots. What is the trips in and out peak versus non- peak? Sure. So the so during the peak hour exiting that morning peak hour 7:30 8:30 we would expect to see about 150 vehicles exit
this site. Uh about 50% of that per hour or total total total in an hour okay per hour. Uh and about 50% of that will just go straight across onto the ramp. about 11% of it will make the right and the remaining will make the left heading
down into Old Bridge and and down towards Aberdine and Madawan. Uh so uh as I said uh all of our the majority of our traffic wants to go through this intersection anyway which which is why it makes sense to establish the access here and improve this intersection uh
because the intersection isn't operating well today. So, uh, it works well for our access and it helps us solve a problem that has existed here. And quite frankly, there has been no plans by the turnpike authority or parkway or turn or uh county or county to do any
improvements here. Okay. And do you know roughly what the time time would be on those lights? So, is it even across the board? Is it coming out of your development and off the Parkway
more? Is it It would prioritize traffic flow along Madawan Road and particularly the left turn. So it'll have time of day operations. Forance in the morning that left arrow will get a lot of green time and then that'll decrease through the day. The way we've set it up is to
minimize the time to the to the driveway. The driveway we actually set at level of service D operations because it's it's the minor movement and it's a driveway. uh and that way we maximize and get those C's and B's operating on on the main line and that's the way you
normally time it. I fully expect that uh we will likely uh uh use a GPS clock at in this design and we will use a GPS clock in the other signal and we'll probably coordinate the two systems.
Okay. And then final question. So for the pedestrians, should somebody want to walk from either your development or Bridgepoint or anywhere down um Maran Road into Lawrence Parkway, they're coming up the the crosswalk is is where
that's on. So what we have is two things. We have a sidewalk that extends down into the development. So if you're coming from the green and old bridge, any of the new community, you would walk up to the traffic signal. you would cross to the island. Uh you would push a button, you would get a protected phase
and you'd be able to walk across. Okay. So that's where it is right there. And then we also would be constructing sidewalk across the uh the front of our widening that we're doing in front of uh uh the Park View of Meadows. There would be side So if you're coming from Parkview Meadows, you'd also pick up
that sidewalk. You'd cross the driveway uh with a pedestrian crossing and pedestrian button and then cross again. And then we're building this sidewalk piece over here that's missing. So basically the residential communities will have the opportunity to get to the
bridge and cross Madawan Road safely. Okay. So you you all are building all of those sidewalks that are shown up there then. Correct. Okay. Correct. And that's all um Mammoth Middle Sex counties these days is very heavily pedestrian oriented
in terms of making sure that uh you meet all current ADA requirements. sidewalk wear, sidewalk slopes, uh as well as uh uh uh audible signals. They like it's all bells and whistles these days. Okay,
thank you. And the south signal will be the same. You're good. Okay. Any question? Okay, Mr. Petty. So, during peak hours in the morning is what time? 7:30 to 9. Basically 7:30 to 8:30 is is
the peak hour. You know, that can vary any given day, but that's about when it's occurring. 500 units. Eric said about two cars per unit. It's 1,000 cars. And you think how many cars are going to leave in that time? Uh we calculate based upon uh a date of about 150 cars in an hour. So not all your not
all your on a residential community. Uh your egress uh of those that are egressing starts at 5 6:00 in the morning, continues to the morning. That's going to be cars, school buses, people coming in and out. Vehicles, all of that is uh is calculated into the
data. It's going to be a mess. It's it's it's the the data is accurate. It's been proven. It actually reflects New Jersey data as well as national data. Uh and very comfortable that it's a a very reasonable projection as to what we can expect. Okay. And it's
probably not much different than what's coming out of Alexandria. I've seen what's coming around some of the on some of the other developments that I drive through uh on 516 and on some of the other roads. It's it's crazy. It's calculated in and the data is accurate and again the the agencies have all
reviewed it. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any other questions? Mr. Farah, go ahead. I congratulate you on this design. It must have kept you up nights, I'm sure. Still does.
Uh yeah, it's just it seems to have a floor where the u the overpass uh that is going to remain uh two lane. So, it seems to create a bottleneck. Uh I mean the the point where you're going to be
coming right here. I'm sorry. Could you go to the other side? Oh, the other side. Yeah, the other side. Be the southbound side. Yeah, this this the queuing space that you have over here um doesn't seem to be adequate. Uh and
probably back up right onto the uh the overpass. Yeah. So, we actually calculated that with the county. Uh it it's more than adequate. Today, there is no left turn lane. It it actually stops the through traffic. Yeah. The left turn lane that we are setting here was actually is actually what was used to
establish where these ramps had to go. So, uh the the turnpike's original concept actually was coming in tighter up here. So, when we worked with Mammoth count, Middle Sex County, uh that was their big concern. So, we established the length of that left turn to make
sure that there wasn't a backup out of there and that we set these ramps at a location that maintained that traffic flow and eliminated that problem that exists today. It is better than what it it is today. I'm sure. No doubt. How many cars would
you say would be able to fit in in that cury area right there? About three cars. Three cars. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's guaranteed it's going to back up onto the on No, I it'll handle the queue that we're calculating. All right.
And I can tell you that was a uh a concern of Mammoth C of Middle Sex County Engineering. So, they've looked at it very closely. Yeah. Well, I I I don't agree I appreciate your design. Don't agree with it. I'm on that road
like I said many many years. Um, and so the the offramp now is is coming here to a queue. Correct. Right in here. There's there's a queue over here. And these uh these lights will they be I think the term is
articulated. The lights is isn't that the term that they use? Actuated. Actuated. Yes. Actuated. I'm sorry. Actuated. Yes. So they'll have they'll have multiple time a day uh timing directives based upon the traffic demands and they will be fully fully
actuated to respond to traffic. So they will be coordinated um on I I expect to coordinate the north and southside signals. Yes. Okay. Okay. Can we go over to the uh northbound side now please?
So uh again we have a queue over here two lanes and the the bridge is over here somewhere this location the bridge the physical bridge starts right at this location. How many how many cars are you estimated would be in this these two
lanes two lefthand lanes would you say we've designed that to handle between 24 to 30 cubed cars. Okay. And the the traffic flow there is I think is part of your your document says there's a car every two seconds.
Basically it's say 7 800 vehicles per hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's what sets uh sets that design. And and as I said that was again uh a very critical component of understanding and solving so that we get rid of the the problem you have today which is
everybody that that that is holding up the the line across the bridge is basically uh you know waiting to make their left. This eliminates that by giving them a cued storage area. And I I just wonder what was what was the thought process of
not using uh the emergency eress which is uh I think it's what it's called Alexandria drive. What was the thought process in not making that the main egress and entrance instead of this? Well, there's there's a couple of things. One is as I said our traffic is coming here anyway. So we have to deal
with improving this intersection regardless. The second part is is the Bridgepoint Condominium Association uh had a substantial concern about having traffic added to Alexander Parkway and and and certainly respecting their concerns and impacts on that neighborhood uh was something that was
uh considered uh by the developer over the years. Uh as well as the fact that uh the intersection of Alexandria Parkway and and uh and Madawan Road really doesn't have the geometry. There's one lane in each direction at that location. We have the park across the street. So there's really not a lot
of opportunity to widen across the street into green acres areas uh as well as on the south side again that you know uh this this owner owned only a short frontage along that section of Madawan Road. So it doesn't really have the ability to widen onto the southside
without impacting the condominium association as well as meadows at Parkview. So, it all pointed to this being the logical location to to solve it uh with with emergency access maintained at that other location. I understand this has already been
pre-approved as part of an agreement. U so this is already a done deal is what we're understanding. I I leave it to the attorneys to to present, but it was discussed in the settlement agreement. There's no changing this design at this point. Yeah. the improvements to this
these intersections are included as part of the settlement agreements as well. Yes. So there there's no changing that. So there's 140 something cars you said would be coming out of the development in the morning over the course of the that peak hour about 140 to 150 cars.
But in that intersection here you got over 4,000 in that intersection. Uh probably in all directions. I'm just over right here is over 4,000 cars uh in the peak
hour and one two probably about 2,000 vehicles through the peak hour based on based on the total of all approaches. The southbound approach in the AM is about 230 through through vehicles coming off the ramp is is less. Uh it's really that
heavy northbound movement in the morning that's the highest flow. Yeah, I'm concerned also about on um Madawan Cheesequake and Cliffwood. Yes. Um I take that all the time. I mean, I'm
there all the time. 6:30, 7:00. And if there's any kind of a traffic buildup over here, it spills out all the way down on Madawan Road to the intersection of Morristown and and Morristown. Yeah. So, this should clear that up. That that
queue that occurs today uh will be cleared up with this signal. Going from an F level of service to a C level of service will clear up that queue. Well, I sure hope you're right. It will. And and uh Mr. Chairman, if I may just another point, uh you know, with regard to the these intersections, the while
it's part of the settlement agreement and while it's, you know, the township's participating, they're really under the authority of the county and the turnpike. We the township has very limited involvement. I mean, aside from wanting to be a party to it and, you
know, signing off, it's really the uh the county and the um uh excuse me, the county and the turnpike authority who dictate how it gets changed and modified. Now, will that will that traffic light on uh intersection on Cliffwood and Marstown, will that be uh
uh actuated with these and coordinate with these other lights? I haven't looked at that or discussed that yet with the county. Uh I'm not sure that that one can be tied into these two. Uh but it's certainly something that the county may ask us to look at when we get to the design of the south signal. Uh
it's it's it's not hard to do these days. We do it by uh by GPS clock. Uh and once the control is on GPS clock, you can do an awful lot of coordination. Yeah. I'm sure that there's there's a lot other concerns going down to Lawrence Harbor that these kind people
are going to have concerns about too. So, but thank you very much. The the the two the two the interchange itself will be substantially uh improved. We're not only mitigating our traffic. We're solving some issues that that the county and turnpike quite frankly haven't put on their radar yet because it just
hasn't hit the priority, but at some point they're going to have to deal with it. We're dealing with it for them. any possibility of increasing the lanes on on the bridge across the No, we had looked we had looked at that. It's the way they redecked it and and modified
it. There's really just no substructure that really allows any kind of a simple thing. You're either giving up the sidewalk, which the turnpike and the and the counties certainly the county's not willing to do uh uh or or the uh the two lanes remains. And again, we don't need
two lanes from a capacity standpoint. What we needed was the distance which luckily we have to develop the the turn lanes and the separation of the movements at the traffic signal. So the the location of the interchange ramp itself from the actual structure of the
bridge really works to our advantage to get the lane capacity that we need uh to solve that issue. Okay, any other questions from my left side? Mr. Go ahead.
So, listening to your testimony, I appreciate it. Um, you said the last traffic study was done in 2022. That was in the middle of CO. So, that concerns me. That's why I think our professionals basically we were out of it. Schools were back in uh and then we've that data
as I said was compared to and verified with the prior data that we had. So, uh it's not in a vacuum. it was looked at with uh the prior data. In fact, quite frankly, these these improvements evolved based on earlier traffic studies for much higher levels of development on
this site that were done back in 2019 and 18 when we were looking at more office on this site when there was a market. Uh so quite frankly, we've actually maintained the same level of improvements that we've been identifying since the early 2000s and we've reduced the size of the project in terms of
traffic generation. I appreciate that, but I think the township should have an accurate record. Like you said, we're going to operate at as a a B, correct? I think if it's moves down to a C, it's still not failing, but I think the township should have an
accurate record of what we're going to be at time of construction. So, I would, you know, highly recommend that, you know, we do a current study. I oversee the uh township community parking lots. So, we've doubled parking since March of 22 to today. We're still at below COVID
numbers. We're at running about 80% currently, but there are a lot more people commuting back to, you know, their jobs wherever they work. So, I I that's why I think it's important to have an accurate record for that. Um, so I hope you'll commit to doing that,
Mr. Chairman, and and your attorney. Can that be a condition of preliminary approval if preliminary approval were granted? So, it's part of resolution compliance. I wouldn't I mean the applicant if if the board does act favorably this is a
preliminary uh only they have to come back for final I think if I'm hearing Mr. Patino correctly. He's he's asking if that can be something they can submit when they come back for final. And I I I think that's a reasonable Yeah. No, I appreciate it. You know, I I do I think that's that's good for everybody up
here, the the township itself and then the residents you just to have a clear understanding where we're going to be at. Um, moving down to I'm not involved with the MUA, but I know I believe they have an access point where the taper is going to start on the south side. Was that
taken into consideration? Not taking that into consideration. They'll have like a depressed curb or something that they'll be able to access to maintain proper access at that location. Yes. Perfect. Let me start checking my questions off so I don't double double down here. Traffic growth MUA. Oh, so we
we touched on the emergency gate for the emergency access. Um I believe it was going to be directed toward you to talk about that. Yeah, you know, as Redeem had said, uh you know, we'll comply with what emergency services wants. Uh I whatever they use in in in the
municipality that's that's uh works for emergency services. Certainly, we want emergency services to be able to get into the site conveniently. That's typical to a residential community. They also asked that we widen that that that connection to a 20 foot wide and we'll do that also. Uh which would actually be
conducive to if if that unique event occurred that shut down the boulevard certainly could be open to traffic at the discretion of the uh the municipal emergency services. So we have no problem with that. I appreciate that. The traffic signals would they be like
on Lawrence Parkway equipped with the transponders so when a fire truck's coming they kind of change the lights so they have a clear path. Yes. So emergency services did ask for that in their memo. I did see that. We'll just need to know what they're using. Uh Middle Sex County does allow us to do
that. Uh they the emergency services will have to enter into an agreement with Middle Sex County to maintain uh that infrastructure once it's built because the county won't maintain it. Um, if they've got that in place already, it'll be easier. Otherwise, we'll have to work with them to get that agreement in place. But the county does
permit that. Okay. The signals will be county signals, not turnpike signals. Okay. Maintained by the county. Maintained by the county. Maintained by the county. You talked about the sidewalk going in front of um the apartments. Does that connect all the way to Alexandria? It
does not. We we end it at their basically at their driveway. I don't know if there's anything remnants of something in the past that continues, but we end it where our construction ends. And that's because the county when you do something like this looks to do full uh complete street construction.
Gotcha. All right. Well, it's a start. You know, we're getting the sidewalk further down for the residents. Um you know, Councilman Deal touched on, you know, the pedestrian traffic and having the the crosswalks. You know, I I believe he talked about that was because we've had residents come to council
meetings talking about, you know, being able to navigate. We have some residents that walk from a pretty far distance away. So to see the signalized crosswalks, I think is really important. Yeah, this this will this will start to do some complete streets and some safe solutions here at both sides of the
interchange. It'll certainly have a complete sidewalk all the way down to Cliffwood Road on the other side. uh at this location, it'll start to tie things together that hopefully the county can pick up on in the future. Okay, I appreciate it. That's all I have right now. Okay, are we all done on that
side? We're all good. Okay, open to the public right now. Any questions for the traffic engineer? The category is traffic and questions only. Uh Andrew Lfonty, I'm a resident at
Bridgeoint. Um my I was going to reiterate the same thing that the study was done in 2022, the last traffic study and it was co and majority of people I I for myself I worked at healthcare. So I was the only one basically in our
community that was leaving to go to work every day. Everyone else was home bunkered in their houses. So to say it was done in 22 is not giving you a fair assessment of the situation. Um I could say just for one alone last Friday I
went to come out of Bridgepoint on Alexandria and I have never waited so long to make the left turn to go to the Parkway. I had to wait a good three to four minutes before I could get out and I've been living there now 19 years and I've never waited that long to get out.
And the other question I have is um these roadway I guess more of a statement than a question. these roadway improvements or hopefully improvements need to be done before they get any CO to those buildings because otherwise or
we will have no quality of life in Bridge Point if these these this construction to the roadways is not done prior and I hope that they're held to that because it's going to be really miserable if that's not the
case. That's all I have. Thank you, sir. Thank you. We have another question for the traffic engineer. Um Judy Young, also in Bridge Point. How long between this uh construction being done and the other
side of the parkway? Because if you're not doing them at the same time or close to it, the backup on the other side of the parkway is going to go right through this intersection every day. And what's this going to cause? It's going to be a nightmare because they're not going to be able to turn because nobody's going
to be able to go straight on the other side. It's I mean I come out at 8:30 in the morning and it's backed up. So it's not just in rush hour. It's all day long. And I don't understand how you can't do them at the same time because
the other side of the parkway, as I say, they're still trying to turn make a left to go south. The cars back up right through this intersection. And that's my concern about this if they're not done at the same time.
Well, do we have a anybody thought about that part of it? The the differential timing is really going to be up to the turnpike authority. The southside design is a lot more complicated because it involves the park and ride. Yep. Uh so we do expect that that's going to be a much lengthier review and approval
process with the turnpike authority as well as how they want to what they're going to want to construction stage that. So, uh, we're not going to be able to control that to a great extent. Uh, certainly there'd be more efficiency costwise for my client to build them both at the same time, but we fully expect that that's not going to happen
given the way uh, government works these days. I get it. But this is going to be when it's done. This looks great. But how long between the two do we have any clue? Yes. It's it would The first phase is done before the first unit moves in,
right? Yep. The second phase is done before 265 C the 265th is issued. So half half the project uh uh will await the second phase. But how long is that? How long between the two
phases? I don't know how long it takes to build 260 units. I have no it's a question how long it takes to build and occupy them. Yep. So it's yeah that time plane this is
going to be a disaster and well and I think and please correct me if I'm I'm mistaken but I think that from the testimony that was provided is that's the maximum time period that can be impressed but the I think the applicants witness just testified they would obviously want to do it closer to time depending on how they can get the
turnpike authority. At maximum it's going to be the first phase is going to be done before the first person moves in and the second will be done halfway through but it could be sooner. It depends on turnpike authority and depends on the applicant because it
makes as the witness just testified it's better scale you know costwise for them to get it done at the same time rather than trail road is six months late. Yeah. And it's still a nightmare every day. So, and Glass Works, aren't they
building where they're not uh they're no longer doing commercial? They're now putting in more residential. So, I don't know how many more units are going in there, but that should be figured into our traffic study also. It has been it's it's been a reduction at that location in traffic.
He he represents I understand. I heard that. But when you're saying you're going to have more condos up there, they're going to come this way to the Parkway. And when Route 9 has an accident, we're done. Thank
you. Any other questions? Okay. Close the uh public portion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. We have nothing further uh in terms of direct testimony at this point. Public for general comments. Okay. could
open up to public for general comments. See, no hands. Close that portion. Okay. Um, so we've had all the testimony. Um, Mr. Chairman, if you want to make a quick summation as to what a vote in favor of the application would
be. Uh, this is a favor. A vote in favor of this application would be granting um preliminary major subdivision approval and preliminary major site plan approval with uh the C variances requested. Uh specifically as as I went through in
depth earlier the technical variance with regard to the phasing. Um these are this once again just to remind the board this is all part of a uh Whisperingwood settlement agreement that entered into originally back uh the settlement agreement deals with the uh township's third round affordable housing
compliance uh where this is the terms of this uh development was agreed to by the township and approved by the court uh back uh 10 to 15 years ago. Um we did have um you know subsequent um uh negotiations and and agreed to a revised
concept plan which is what this whispering woods hearing is for. Uh the major just as a reminder because it has been a couple hearings major the major issue there which this board expressed their concern and the applicant complied and and addressed that concern was when uh the affordable housing units or at
least a portion of those were located at the below of the site. Now we've heard at this um you know with this application and the modification those have been integrated into the uh the entire site and actually as one of the conditions of approval the applicant is agreeing to put a deed restriction on that portion of the property uh below
the creek. So uh the approval will uh grant uh will be granting like I said preliminary and major subdivision and major site plan approval. Uh that is only preliminary. Most of the applications we have heard, I just want to explain it to the board members have been both preliminary and final. Meaning
that's this is it. Uh what we're approving here is preliminary, meaning as you heard, they're going to work with our professionals. They're going to come back with a a final version of the site plan um to come and subdivision to present to the board. They'll be back before the board showing that and showing how they address those concerns
raised by the board members as well as the professionals. And at that time you would make a a vote on whether or not you want to grant final sub uh final approval. The um conditions I have uh that has been discussed and I just want to go through and make sure there was
any on the first hearing. I don't see any. So the conditions I have of approval um being one in general with regard to the uh board professionals reports, the applicant agrees to work with the board professionals on all the comments
identified in there and work out which ones they will be complying with, modifying and addressing one way or another. Uh and if they can't comply, we'll be working with the board's professionals to address those before they come back to final approval. Um, as I just mentioned, they agreed to
um, while there may be some conservation easements uh, required by the DP, the applicants agreed to deed restrict um, the portion uh, below the creek. Uh, the final form I will leave uh, that to be determined by the township or can be worked out to the town whether that's a
deed restriction, an easement or something along those lines. Uh, but it will be addressed to keep that or it won't be developed. Uh the applicant has agreed to do a updated uh traffic count, but that would be conducted and brought to the board
prior to final uh final approval. Uh and as well, the applicant agreed to work with the township's um emergency services uh to determine what type of gate needs to be located at the um emergency access road. And that is what
I have for conditions of approval. So, uh, a vote in favor would be granting that. And once again, like I said, um, you know, this is part of a settlement um, approval. So, while a lot of the a lot of other kind of applications, the board has a little bit
more sway, uh, a little bit more, um, discretion. actually you wouldn't say sorry discretions really this one is something that has been mandated has been settled by the township uh and approved by the courts as part of its uh affordable housing so uh the board's view on this is or discretion on this is
a lot limited okay I know that the the attorney they did note the receipt of the letter from the fire department and acknledgement relative to the required deliverables here and should that be incorporated?
Yes, I thank you. Uh the the um the same terminology for the for the condition where they would the applicant will agree to work with the the township professionals to address um uh one way or the other the comments identified in the reports. The also that will also
include the uh fire districts uh report dated May 8th, 2025. Right. and we agreed to comply with all of the requirements on pages two and three of that report. And on page one, we indicated
uh what we would what we are proposing in response to that. Okay. And then that's just going to be part of when we come back for final just to address that again. Okay. Um we're looking for a motion.
I'll move it. Second. Okay, we have a second. Mr. Dalma, yes. Mr. Lenning, yes. Mr. Rena, yes. Mr. Petty, yes. Miss Misella, yes. Mr.
McGisac, yes. Mr. Brennan, yes. Mr. Ferrara, yes. And Chairman Lowry, yes. Thank you very much for your time. And you're welcome. Took a couple nights, but uh we got through it. Thanks for coming back.
Okay, I need a motion to adjourn a meeting. I'll move. Oh, yes. We also do the uh the general public uh comment that we u for any members of the public want to make any comments that's not on a pending application. Okay.
We'll open it up for uh general public comments. I hope that in the future Mr. Alier doesn't come back and say I want to build 500 more units on that plot just like they're doing in
Glass Works. They started with a small little complex and it's just building and building and building. They're going to need their own zip code. And in um La Mer and Serville, that place is a monstrosity as well. It's just
dangerous. It's a The status of living is gone downhill. Old bridge is becoming a mess. It's there's nothing wrong with leaving vacant land vacant and
green. Thank you very much. Thank you for your mind for your children, your grandchildren, etc., etc. Thank you for your comments. Um, okay. Um, any any other comments? No. Okay. Looking for a
motion to adjurnn. Move it. Move it. Move it. Okay. And second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi.