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Go. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Township of Old Bridge Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting July 17th, 2025. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Oldbridge Township zoning board of adjustment has been provided in in accordance with the open pit public
meetings act at least 48 hours prior to the commencement of this meeting by prominently posting in the municipal complex an announcement giving the time the date the location the agenda of this meeting mailing such announcement to the home news and tribune filing a copy of such announcement with the municipal clerk and posting the agenda on the
municipal website could we have a roll call please certainly Mrs. Andrews here Mrs. Chevier here. Mr. Isizo absent. Mr. Scogno here. Mr. Stoner
absent. Mavery absent. Mr. Singh absent. Miss Gomez here. Chairman Sullivan here. For the record, there are only five members of the uh zoning board present this evening. Um the couple
items I'd like to cover. First of all, if you have a phone, please silence it so it doesn't interrupt the test. We are being televised live on the local cable channel here, CITV uh 15 in the township. Simultaneously, this this is broadcast on YouTube live. So, if you
have needed to refer back to the meeting, you could look that up on YouTube. Uh tonight, uh if you were probably watching at home, uh you would have seen our agenda and there was a number of applications. Most of them have all been adjourned with the
exception of one and that's the only one that's before the board this evening. Uh I will call them out in order uh before we start with this but uh we will have a shorter meeting than normal. Those other uh applications that are on the agenda that you might read online uh have been
asked to be adjourned. Uh why don't we just move right to minutes. I'll I'll call these in as we get to them. uh and board. That was the minutes of June 5th, 2025. I hope everyone had a chance to review them. Absent any
comment for additions, deletions, corrections? I'd ask someone to move them for adoption. Chevier, I'll move it. Is there a second? Second. Scogno. Roll call, please. Mrs. Andrews, yes. Miss Chevier, yes. Mr. Scogno, yes. Miss Gomez, yes. Chairman Sullivan,
yes. Uh, item four's resolutions on the agenda. uh 12-2 uh 2024Z Reformed Church Ministries. It was a major preliminary and final site plan with D variance. I should mention Joseph, Mr. Joseph Melan Esquire's
seated as you would see to my left and right now it's to my right uh sitting as council this evening. Mr. Mlin. Yes. Thank you, chairman. Uh this was a um bulk variance. It was approved. The applicant was Reform Church Ministries.
Um it was approved with uh the condition of the approval was to provide evidence of uh satisfaction of the zoning board engineer that this dimminimous increase in impervious coverage will not adversely affect the amount of groundwater recharge from the
pre-developed to the post-developed condition. Word members, you've heard the uh resolution. Someone move for adoption. Please move to Chicago. Second. Chevelier. Move to second. Roll call, please. Mrs. Andrews. Yes. M. Chevelier. Yes. Mr. Scogno.
Yes. Miss Gomez. Yes. Chairman Sullivan. Yes. 03-2024Z Elite Marble and Tiles LLC. Was a bifurcated Dvariance. Yes, Chairman. Bifrocated uh use
variance. Um this was the property was located in the EDO1 zone. Uh this was for a use variance of a single family home on the subject property. Um the use variance will be conditioned on either a waiver of approval of final
site plan application. Thank you Mr. Mlin. Uh board members, you've heard the resolution. Someone move it, please for adoption. Chevelier will move it. Is there a second? Gomez. Roll call, please. Miss Andrews. Yes. Miss Chevier. Yes. Mr. Scogno.
Yes. Miss Gomez. Yes. Chairman Sullivan. Yes. Uh, I'm gonna ask Mr. M, would you please swear in Mr. Hollahan for any testimony he may give this evening? Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth? I do.
Thank you, Mr. Mlin and Mr. Holahan. Uh, the applications, and I'm going to read these the are not going to be heard tonight. 49-2024Z, that's Outfront Media LLC. That's uh block 19013 lot 6.11. That's a major
preliminary final site plan for deh devariance. Uh that's a construction of a monopole multi-me sign. That matter has been adjourned to the public for a public hearing on July 31st, 2025 without further notice.
20 uh let's see 50-2021Z OBJ LLC. That's 801 zone block 1069 lot one the physical location on that 69 highway 35. It's for an apartment addition applicant proposing to uh add a
first floor existing two-story building in addition to the second floor for additional apartment units that's seeking major preliminary and final site plan uh with devariance meeting has been adjourned to the public hearing on November 6 with further
notice. If you're interested in that matter, there will be further notice. 41- I'm sorry, uh 6-2025Z 2G core LLC. That's R20, a low uh medium density residential. That's block 5,000,
5,0005, 5,0006, lots 20, 1-9, and one 229 Lucy Drive, Lola Drive, and Poor Farm Road. That's for solar lighting, an amended uh major, preliminary, and final site plan. applicants seeking to install solar sight lighting in lie of wired
lighting on the properties. Application has been adjourned to the public. It will be heard on the schedule July 31st without further notice. Having said all of that, we will come to our only application this evening board and that is 41-2024Z
as see as here. This is R20 low medium density residential. This is block 24204, lot 36. Physical location is 12 Yusede Court in Old Bridge. Seeking twotory addition and deck CND variance as
applicant proposes a two-story addition to the rear of the existing home and a deck over an existing patio. Lawrence Saxs representing the applicant. Mr. Saxs. Yes. Uh thank you uh Mr. Chairman. Good evening members of the board. Lawrence Saxs on behalf of the applicant Zir
Hussein uh who is seated to my right along with his wife Sarah Risby. Uh they are the owners of 12 Yoseite Court. It's block 24204 uh lot 36. Uh the propertyy's in your
R20 zone. Um the property is roughly uh five uh.58 acres. Uh we're here this evening because uh Dr. Hussein and uh and Ms. Risby are looking to expand uh the re uh to add an addition on to the
rear of their house. Uh the addition is is roughly 1540 square ft. It'll be 770 square ft on each floor. And they're also planning on putting a new deck uh over an existing patio area. Uh they need uh some variance relief. Uh they
need a uh a D4 floor area ratio variance. Uh the maximum in the zone is 0.17. the existing is 0.155 and after the proposed addition is built you'd have an F of 0.21 also the
landscape area ratio uh what's required in the zone is 085 uh believe it or not when this house was built and this subdivision was built it was not built in compliance with the landscape area ratio because the landscape the landscape area ratio right
now is 0.80 80. So, it's actually uh non-compliant from the time that it was built by the builder. Uh there's going to be a small uh reduction in landscape area. It's going to bring it down to 76 uh with the uh with the addition. Um I
do have two witnesses. Uh Mr. Chairman, I have uh Sarah Risby who's uh the owner of the property along with her husband. Uh, and I also have Gary Chang who is uh our engineer and he will provide the he'll he'll go over the engineering plans on this. Um, so if we can have
Miss Risby sworn in, I'm going to have her just detail what rooms are going to be added on with this addition. Certainly. Mr. Mlin, would you raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth? Yes. And will you u say your first name,
spell your last? Sure. Sarah and the last name is R I Z. Thank you. Okay. All right. Miss Risby, you are the uh one of the owners of the property. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Um and you presently live there with your husband, Dr. Hussein. Okay. Um
right now the house I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you. The house is approximately 3900 square feet. Yes. Okay. In fact, I think in the report, Mr. Chairman, it talks about it being 2700. I'm not sure where that came from because based on that I wouldn't even be
here tonight on an F variance but uh but obviously it's a larger house to begin with. All right. Um now the addition is going to be 700 approximately 770 square feet on each floor. Yes. Okay. Presently you have four bedrooms in this house. Yes. All right. Let's talk about the first
floor edition. So, if you look at the plan here, which was prepared by Paul Rod, uh dated March 4th of 24, uh we're showing the addition at the rear of the house, and that addition will consist of an expanded kitchen area. Is that
correct? Yes. Now, it's labeled as a lounge in the on the plans, but that's going to be an expanded kitchen area. Yes, it is. All right. You're also adding a pantry. Yes, I am. You're adding a built-in, which is just a coffee area. Coffee area. And you're adding a sun room. Yes. Yes. All right. So, no other
changes are proposed except for bumping out the house approximately 770 square ft uh to accommodate those three uses. Yes. All right. You're also putting a new p a new deck over an existing patio on the right side of the house. Is that correct? Yes.
All right. Now, if I go to the second floor, do we have those, Morin? Yep. There you go. Thank you very much. All right. So, if we go to the second floor, again, 770 ft² addition. Uh, that's going to consist of a new bedroom
suite. Yes. With a with a bathroom. So, that's an on suite bathroom, a walk-in closet for that bedroom. And what you're adding to the rear of the master bedroom, which is your master bedroom, you're putting two walk-in closets. Yes. And also a new master bath. Yes.
All right. Now, where on the plans where it says common gathering loft, that is a bedroom now. Is that right? That's a bedroom right now. Right. So, that's going to be completely open. Open. And that's going to be an open area for like a loft to put a TV or something like sofa for my daughter. All right. And you're relocating then
her bedroom back to where this new bedroom suite is. And she'll also have her own private bathroom, which she didn't have before. You did not. Okay. Fine. All right. Um, Mr. Chairman, I don't have any other testimony from Miss Ryz. I just wanted her to describe what the
new rooms were uh, and what's being proposed. Uh, one last question. So, you presently have four bedrooms. You'll continue to have four bedrooms. Yes. Okay. Nothing further, Mr. Chairman. Okay. So, not increasing in the bedrooms in the
bedroom number correct area Mr. Hollowan Larry Mr. Mr. Sax, I'm sorry. Did you mention a deck addition of a deck? Okay. Is that going to be off to the rear? Yes. So, if we look at the proposed first
floor plan that Moren has up on the left, so it' be your first page of your plan. Is it that section off to the top right? Is the deck shown on these architecturals? I don't It's shown on the site plan that was prepared by Mr. Chang. We will add
it to the uh You know what? But I don't think he did because he only showed the interior He only showed the interior renovations. Yeah, cuz looking at the Paw plan prepared by Mr. Chang, uh, MGC Associates. Yeah, I just don't see a deck on there. So, I I would just like
to see that on there so I know what the setbacks are to the property lines. Um, maybe he can testify that as as part of his testimony. Um, chairman, as of right now, I I will just comment on the the C variance if that's okay. Sure, go ahead. Um, so the C variance they're requesting is for the minimum
landscape barrier ratio. Um, as Mr. Sax stated when this property was built, it was under um alternate design standards for the matroponics development which had a little bit more of a stringent than usual landscape barrier ratio uh requirement which is 85% where the rest
of the standards to the home followed the current R20 standards um which the current R20 standard for lancing barrier ratio is 45%. Um, so if the landscape area ratio of the R20
zone was implemented at the time of this building, obviously they wouldn't be here for that C variance. So I I have no objection to that C variance. Um, I would put on record that I think that 15% was a little bit stringent. Not sure
why they were that low, but it was built that way. So, um, and then I'll save my further comments till we get further down the road. All right. Thank you, Mr. Hollahan. Um, any questions on my left of the witness? No. On my right, counselor?
No. Uh, Mr. Chang's going to walk us around this property, right? Okay. Then I have nothing further at this point either. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Mr. Mlin. Yes. Uh, can you raise your right hand?
Do you swear affirm to tell the truth or help a gun? I do. All right. Can you uh say your name and spell your last? Gary Chang. C H I A N G. Thank you, Mr. Chang. If you can give the board the benefit of your uh professional uh
background in education. Sure. I'm a graduate of uh NGIT with a BS in civil engineering and I've been a licensed civil engineer in state of New Jersey for over 25 years. And your licenses are presently in good standing. Yes, it is. Testified before many boards in the
past, I'm sure in 25 years I have. Have you testified here in this? Yes. Okay. I thought I recognized you. Okay. you proceed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right. So, Mr. Chang, I guess, uh, just walk the board through uh, what's being proposed. I know we have on the screen, I think, a
copy of your plot plan. So, uh, so, yes. So, we are proposing a two-story addition at the rear of the existing dwelling, and we are also, uh, proposing actually a patio on the, um, on the left side, which is on the west
side of the, uh, existing dwelling. And then uh al although it doesn't um mention it um they they um we are going to put a deck right over the proposed patio. And I think there was a just a question. I'll I'll have you get into more here,
but in terms of the uh uh setback, you're not going that patio or deck is not going past the existing footprint of this house. Is that correct? The existing footprint. Yeah. The existing the existing line over here. Oh. Oh. On the on the on the side. It's
not it's not going past. All right. So, it's it's not going to trigger any sideyard setback violation on either side. We're we're conforming on that. Okay. All right. So, uh the addition that's being proposed is uh roughly 1540 ft. That's correct. All right. And it's a two-story
addition. Uh you heard the testimony from Ms. Risby as to the rooms that are being comprised here. Um, will this uh will this addition be visible from the street on Yoseite Court? Uh, no it would not because it would be completely right behind the existing
dwelling. All right. So, if anyone is looking at the house from Yoseite, they're not going to even know that there was an addition put on. Uh, let's talk about the rear of the property. There happens to be a conservation easement at the rear of this property. Is that correct? That's correct. And is the proposal going to encroach at
all into that conservation easement? No, we would not. All right. And uh behind the conservation easement is actually open space. That's correct. So is there are there any residences to the rear of this property uh that would have any visibility of this particular uh addition?
No. The open space and the conservation easement is rather large back there. So and it's heavily wooded? Yes, it is. Okay. Are any trees being removed as a result of this project? No, there are no immediate trees um prior to the conservation easement.
Okay. behind the house. All right. Um let's talk about some of the comments in the report. Um and you have the report from Miss Sant uh dated July 15th. Is that correct? That's correct. All right. Let's go to um let's go to
the general comments. Um uh and I'll go down to D. I think we've addressed uh A and B already. Um and I think we've kind of addressed what the M Well, let me ask you this question. Are there any bulk variances required other
than the landscape area ratio which Mr. Holahan just mentioned? No, there's no other no other bulk requirements. No other bulk variances necessary. All right. And as far as you know, do we comply with the Machoponics development bulk standards? Yes. Yes, we do. All right. Uh there's a comment uh in
paragraph 3D about some protective measures that uh uh are suggested with respect to the conservation easement. One of them is putting up a split rail wood fence uh prior to construction. I know you were talking to me that there
are other um measures that can be taken. What would those measures? Um what they uh in other towns um they have put up um conservation easement uh monument markers uh whereas um it could be um off
the ground a couple of inches or it could be totally like on flush with the ground for you know so the mower doesn't hit it. So, um it's it's probably less intrusive than putting a split rail fence um right up against, you know, because the conservation easement is
pretty close to the addition. So, we put up a split rail fence, it'll be right up against the um the addition. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I know Miss Sant is not here this evening, so maybe this is an issue we can defer uh to her comment uh when she reviews this matter. Uh
certainly if she's if she wants to split rail fence we do it but I think it would uh probably uh be very close to the house. The signage I don't think is a problem. Is that correct Mr. That's correct. That's not a problem. All right Mr. Saxs you're suggest Mr. Chang is suggesting a marker or a monument
placed right into the ground indicating that anything further would be uh an area that's not to be touched. Yes. And we and if signage is necessary we certainly can uh can comply with that. Okay. All right. Uh there's a question about a sump pump. Is any sump pump being uh
being proposed here? Uh yes, we will prop we will provide sump pump because there there's a basement down here. So we will make sure we comply um with with the with the sump pump. All right. So you'll make sure that that will discharge a minimum of 15 ft from the building for the day. That's correct. Yes. All right. And it will not be directed
to the street or toward any neighboring property? No, it would not be. Okay. Sounds to me like it's going to be discharged to the conservation easement. That's correct. Okay. Yes. All right. Uh paragraph 3F uh there's a note on the plans that Miss Sant is suggesting we have no problem with complying with that. No problem.
And same thing with paragraph G. Uh we delineating the construction access from the street to the point of construction. You can do that on the Yes, we'll provide that. All right. Uh also a note you can add here. Any public sidewalk damage shall be replaced utilizing 4500 uh pounds per
square inch strength concrete. I'll note that on the plans. All right. And I think you've already indicated no trees are proposed to be removed. If in fact that appears to be an error, then you'll obviously apply for a tree permit. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Um All right. Let's talk about the
uh the floor ratio variance. Now, we know that uh existing is 0.155 and actually before I get to that point, uh Mr. Chairman, I think I mentioned the house is approximately 3,900 square ft. I think there was a comment in Miss
Sant's report that it was 2700 square feet. I don't know where that came from, but that is incorrect. They probably got it from my Okay. All right. So, maybe it was a typo. It was a typo, but um but in any event, um you know that I just want the record to reflect that it's 39 the current
house is 3900 square ft. Um, in terms of the D4 floor area ratio, I know Miss Sant has indicated that the other houses in this neighborhood appear to be in compliance or close in compliance to that. Yes. Um, in your professional opinion,
however, the fact that uh the appearance of this house from the street will appear to be the same as it was before any addition. That's correct. the fact that we're back we're backing up to a conservation easement and the fact that they're not we're not requiring any other bulk standards. Uh under the Coventry Square
case, which I know you're familiar with, the issue is always whether or not the site can accommodate the proposed use. In your professional opinion, do you believe that this site can accommodate the proposed expansion that's being proposed and the dimminimous increase in the floria ratio? Right, that's correct. I I believe that
there would be no detriment being the addition is uh directly right behind the existing uh dwelling. Mr. Sax, just for the record, is Mr. Chang testifying as a planner? He's not a planner and I I'm not sure I really need testimony on a D4 because of
the fact that it's really whether or not the site can accommodate the use. Uh we're not increasing the bedroom count. Is that correct? That's correct. All right. And uh does it satisfy the residential site improvement standards? Yes, we don't require we won't we won't require additional
parking. Correct. Uh I don't think there's anything else. Mr. Chairman, let me just look through the report real quickly. All right. I think we've I think we've covered everything, Mr. Chairman.
Perhaps uh Mr. Chang uh could tell us the conservation easement when you look on the uh plan looks uh irregular for one and it's closer as you look at the plan to the left side I guess that's the east I'm
thinking right and uh than it is on the on the right corner of the house uh you spoke about uh or Mr. Saxs did anyway uh that there would be a deck and on the plan there is a a small area
there labeled deck. Uh I know that there was supposed to be a um shed as well. That shed's not going to be in the conservation ement. Correct. And how close is the wood deck going to get to the conservation easement? Um, it
looks like it's approximately um 4 feet away. Okay. Um, it wouldn't leave you room for a pool or anything back there and there's no plans for that, right? No. When I see the Could you Could you go
back to the rear the architecturals rear view? Yeah. Rear view of the house. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Obviously, as a as a result of putting on two floors, as we look to the I guess that's the west side of the house on the bottom. If I'm looking at
the picture, west is to to the right, right? So, I see two I see I guess either sliding door and or windows. So, that's going to create how much space inside there? Another 700 ft.
The basement you have three, it's technically three floors if you're going with the grading. We see the bottom. You you obviously have to support the first the two top stories with a basement and a foundation, right? So that's
we want to know how big that foundation is. It's uh it'll be it'll be not um let's see right here. The existing basement is at 57 and your finished floor is at 60. So it's a 9 ft high wall there. I think you want to know the square
footage. Yeah. 7 square footage of what it is once you put these two additional Yeah. It'll be it'll be it'll be 700. It'll be another 7 750 ft. Right. Exactly. Right. So, it's another 770. Mhm. Yeah. But that's not calculated. No, I know it's not calculated in. But what is that going to be?
Yeah. Uh let me have the client come back up and testify. Okay. All right. Well, let's we'll get her back up. But we'll finish on anything else that Mr. Chang wants to talk about first. Is this there's an HOA involved here in this home?
Uh I don't believe there is. And if it is, it's only for some common area like a sign out front. Yeah. Yeah. And an HOA. Yeah. Um do we do have we sought permission from the HOA to do this?
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure the I'm not sure. Yeah, I I think the they presently live there, right? Yeah. Yeah. I I maybe we bring her up. I want to see if if they have to pay monthly fees or if there's an annual I'll bring them back up. Yeah. Yeah. Just have have she's already
under oath. She can come back up and we can ask those two questions now. Sure. Thank you. I think I know the questions to ask you. Why don't you do that m for me, Mr. Sax? Remember, you're still under oath. So, Miss RZY, you're uh Mat You're part of the Homeowners Association for
Matroponics Estates. There is one. Well, I just answered my question. Yes. Do Do you pay an annual fee? I do not. No, there's no annual fee. No. Okay. Okay. Everyone's Everyone's in charge of their own property. That's it.
Okay. Uh are there any amenities that that are offered by Matri? I think so. Okay. Okay. It may have been in the beginning, I'm thinking. Uh but uh you there is no fee attached. There's no uh rules and regulations that uh
allow you or don't allow you to put flag poles or signs. You're completely on your own. Right. Okay. And what was the other question we wanted to know? Uh what's going to happen with that room? Yeah. So the basement obviously you need to have a foundation in order to build up the two levels. So you're expanding
your basement out. Yes. What um and is it going to be the entire 770 ft? I guess it will. Yes. All right. And what will the what will you utilize that additional space for in the basement? I don't have storage. So, you're going to utilize it for storage? Yes. Okay. Okay. What's the height?
9 foot. 9 ft. All right. And you're going to guarantee that there's going to be no kitchen put in there. No. Nothing else. You're not going to use it as a walk out for your slider and your covered patio and deck. Yes. Okay.
No kitchen. No living space. No living space. It's just going to be like an open hall like an unfinished No, we're talking about the basement. It's going to be an basic unfinished basement just for storage. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
All right. You resting you I mean I mean does Mr. Chang have anything else he's going to tell us? I don't believe he does. All right. Council, do we need a a planner to put some testimony on as to the use variance?
Um, I believe it would be beneficial for not the applicants planner uh or I'm talking about the applicants. Uh I don't believe so. The the um I do think we need to address the positive
and negative criteria. It's not that uh you're correct that it's not um uh without substantial detriment. It's mainly just will it uh um forget the term that you used um impair the bazone plan. I don't think it
will and I don't think that probably we've already put on the record the fact that I I noticed in the overview that that is open space. So that's it's classified as open space. So there's never going to be a build behind there. It is deeply wooded. Uh probably far
from the house. Um the conservation area I'm concerned with that there would be obviously is if there was an agreement on this that the homeowner would have to know that they can't use that area. Yes. And that that's not their land. Correct.
So that is belongs to who? The township belongs to I believe it's well maybe Danny can I know there's who who's conservation area conservation as part of the development was dedicated to the township. Okay. Okay. So, it is township land. Then
township has an incumbrance on the property. We don't technically own the property, but we have rights to it under a conservation easement. Actually, let me let me clarify because I'm looking at the site plan. That conservation easement is actually on my client's property. Correct. We own the property. Yes. We cannot build anything on that
property. However, they do have the right to utilize that property for passive purposes, sitting in a chair, recreation, whatever it might be without tree removal though, right? No, not tree removal. It can't touch shrubbery, nothing. Can't touch a blade of grass back there. All right.
Yeah, chairman. But it is actually on our property. When the development was built, there was what's called the Sen A form, which is a notice of a conservation easement, which basically details and outlines what the property owner can do and can't do within that conservation easement.
Um, so I could always pass it around to you guys or the client, but it's essentially that they can't alter that part of their property. Mr. Sax, you've already uh advised your clients that uh that cannot happen, right? Yes. And in fact, I know there was a question I think maybe from M. Miss
Chevier about a pool. Uh, obviously we can't put a pool in a conservation easement. No, I mentioned that. Yeah, I said there's no room for a pool. There's no room for a pool. Uh, and I guess the patio would be rather small. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the patio is within the is is outside the area of the contract. Yes, it is. I understand. But the lot
all belongs to you to correct your client, right? Correct. Okay. And um just to just to comment on council's uh characterization, yes, if if it was a D1, a D2, a D3, D5, D6, I would have a planner. But on a D4,
uh I don't think it's really necessary. if I can have the engineer demonstrate based on his observations, you know, what what's behind this property, you know, what what the configuration of the construction will be. So, I think you're right, Mr. Chairman, and um I concur with you.
Does this butt up to the back of the house perfectly? There's going to be another slope. Is there How does How does this get roofed? Has the height changed in the house? No, I don't believe so. The height is still the same because it's it's we're
not we're not planning on any changes to the pitch of the roof or anything like that. So, it's gonna it's going to be consistent with uh with what exists. Right. Exactly. I guess it would have to be somewhat different because it's might be it's well I think the addition is going to be a little bit lower. All
right. There you go. Okay. And it will because of because of the topography there. Yes. Okay. Karen, I can also clarify the height if you need. So when you look at the rear elevation on page A2 um of the plans provided by Mr.
Paul Rodac, the the height actually exceeds the height and maximum, but the height in our definition is the average height. So when you take the average height, it's actually under the 35 foot threshold when you take the average. Um but at no point is the new proposed
addition proposed to exceed the current height of the home. It's not supposed to and it's not going to. Right. Correct. All right. Let me uh you finish with your testimony right now. We'll go to the uh members here on the
left of me and see if we have some question. Mr. Hollahan, did you visit the actual site? I have not. No, you did not. Nope. So, this sketch here, you don't know if this looks like what it was. In other words, was there any
construction done prior to this? Because, you know, we we can't go back there to look at it, but I can go on Google Earth and it doesn't look like that. No, that's that's proposed, Mr. Scogno. Okay. What? Yeah, we have That's what you're proposing. That's proposed. Yeah, we haven't done
any uh any construction on the property. No, the sketch of the uh door and the windows. Yeah, that's that's what's being proposed. So, you don't have a sketch of what it looks like now? Uh I don't I don't think we have any photographs, but uh but we
haven't made any any alterations to because there's a it seems like there's a deck back there already. There is. And we're and and there's a sliding door, but it's not there. It's more towards the center of the house. Yes, because the uh the addition we're taking away the existing deck in order
to put the addition on. And it looks like a large either a sun room there in the back or a big bay window. What's what's being proposed is a new sun room. Uh if you look Yeah. But what's there now is that sun room. No, I can tell you. I I have the plan.
Actually, Dan, if you put the plans put the first floor plan up. If you look at A1 um where it says just to give you an idea, if you draw a straight line from where
the new sun room is proposed across the bathroom, mud room and kitchen eating area, you'll see where the existing uh footprint is. And uh if you look on A1, there's a kitchen table uh there. Yeah. You know, that's the end of the house
right there. So that may be the bay window that Mr. Scaggno is talking about and you're right it is in the center of the property and then obviously the uh the exterior of the property continues where the family room is and then on the other side you have what two-car garage
uh three no it's a threecar garage threecar garage so those windows to the back of your sketch that's the windows to the garage uh that's on the side of the house now the back in the back part you got the back is where right now the back
you've got the uh you've got a guest bedroom down there. You've got a bathroom and a mud room. And what's being added on is the sun room, pantry, and lounge, which would be the expanded kitchen area. Okay. Yeah. So, the bay window is for
the existing kitchen that's there now, but that's we're bumping it out. We're bumping it out approximately 15 feet. 16 feet. I don't know, Mr. Holland. What do you think? A visit. You should take a visit. Well, no. I I agree with Larry Sax or
I'm sorry, Mr. Sax's determination. So, if you look at the Morin, can you pull up the plot plan? Sure. Can you zoom in a little bit? Sure. Now, it might be hard to see, but probably about center of the house, it
will say existing deck and steps to be removed. Just north of that arrow, you can see a little bit of an outline of what is the existing bay window that Mr. Sax was pointing out in that kitchen area. So with these plans, that existing
deck and bay window are going to be removed in their entirety and then that's all going to be bumped out 16 ft to do the extension for that kitchen. Is that correct, Mr. Sax? Yes. Okay. No further question.
Mr. Gomez, anything? No. Mr. Jler? No. Why does it go 16 for a distance and 15? There's a there's a there's a little bump in the middle there. So, one size 16, the other size 15. And and what was the reason for that?
Is that the because the house was built that way? I don't understand why why it comes out one extra foot. Look at the or why it wouldn't be 16 across all the way. Uh yeah, if you look um if we put back up
the architecturals, uh there's a one foot differential. The sun room and pantry are 16 ft and then the addition of the lounge or expanded kitchen area is 15 ft. They did it for aesthetics when they built it probably.
Yeah. I don't Okay, that answers my question. I'm going to my right, Miss uh [Music] counselor. Yeah, I just had a a few quick questions. You you mentioned that uh the subpump is going to be discharged into the easement area. Where is it
discharged now? We're led to believe the ex the existing sump pump discharges to the front to the front. I only mentioned that because um because it's a conservation easement, it can't be altered in any way the existing environment. So that's the only reason I mentioned that. Yeah,
we'll we'll work with the construction official to determine where's where's best to have it discharged to. It's not where it's best where it has to go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's Yeah, I mean, it can't I I don't think it can even go to the front of the street. I think that's a restriction. So, it's going to have to either go to the side
or or to the rear somewhere. So, Mr. Sax, is there anything on the planning comments that you disagree with as as to the memo dated uh July 15 by Mr. want attach a planter. Yeah. So, you'd be in agreement with all of
those, although we put we did speak about the marker versus a uh a fence of some sort. Yes. And I I would probably agree knowing that it's the the all the piece of property is owned by the applicant that they probably wouldn't want to have the fence there. No.
Makes sense. I'll defer to Miss Swag. I know she's not here this evening. Okay. So, between now and the next meeting, I'm sure she can weigh in on All right. Um, you have anything else you want to put on the record tonight? No, I don't, Mr. Chairman. All right. Uh, obviously, but I'll put
on the record that we have the absence of our planner and our engineer this evening. Um, so the the board would like to uh have them review what the testimony was tonight. Uh, we did speak about this before. There was an
agreement. Both attorneys have spoken and there'll be a chance uh you're not going to call for a vote tonight and there will be a rescheduling of this uh simply for final comments and or comments from the township. Would would that be fair agreement of what we said?
That's fine, Mr. Chairman. Uh I know if you could go to the public, I'd appreciate that. I'm going to do that. There's no one here, but I will open that up. But I wanted to make sure you didn't want to put anything else on right now. and board members, everyone understands that we're gonna come back. We're gonna come back in, I believe, August 7th. Is that
when it is? We're gonna come back on August 7th to uh deal with this matter again. Yeah. And and you know, uh as to Mr. Skaggno's comments, I will get some photographs of the rear of the house. Uh the clarification of the HOA, I would like also. Uh yeah, I we can we can I don't think
there if you're going to come back. I don't know if uh is there a clubhouse or anything? There's nothing in this neighborhood, right? You know, generally what happened you if when a subdivision was approved, they created an HOA maybe to maintain a detention basin. Yeah.
Maybe to maintain a sign or landscaping when you drive into the development. But I I will tell you that a lot of these HOAs are inactive. They don't collect fees. No one's managing it. Nobody wants to and they're not providing any services. They're not providing any services. So
if they have like you said with the HOA Dan um then who's retaining maintaining these detention ponds and stuff that this development should have does that fall back on old bridge? I don't know off the top of my head if there are any detention basins there may not in this development no I was just
I can look at that though when we come back find out for me if that's fine and it's possible if there is one and it's not being maintained by an HOA that the township has been maintaining it all these years. Well, I would like that clarif. Yeah, we certainly want to know if there if there is an HO. We would want want a
letter of uh no objection. I'm kind of surprised at Ms. Ryzy's answer. I thought she was going to say that, you know, she pays X dollars per month or fee. And I think that one and the one across the street are probably the same, right? Isn't the president's president estates and metroponics? I think they were built
similar time. Uh and they may if there was HOAs, they may have dissolved actually to what you said. All right. So we uh we do have that agreement. Correct? I'm going to open the public portion on this matter. This is uh 20 I'm sorry
41-2024Z. This is uh for an addition on the house at number 12 Yusede Court. Anyone here in the room wish to be heard on this matter? Please stand, raise your hand. Uh for the record, there's no one else in the courtroom this evening except the owners of the home and the people here
in the DAS and in front of me. Uh so I'll close the public portion. Uh once again uh we've agreed to not seek a vote this evening. Correct, Mr. S? Correct. We have uh we're entertaining a date of August the 7th. We would uh probably try
and get you on first. Okay. You have a meeting on the 31st or not? You do? Yeah. July 31st, I think. Uh we filled that night. I have about seven applications. I think we're going to if you want to come in at 2 a.m. I can probably get you in. I don't know.
All right. August 7th sounds fine. I think it'll be a little late for all of us that night. U we have two of them and are also being pushed to uh the 31st. All right. So, thank you for that agreement and u once again, you haven't rested your case, but we'll give
opportunity for you to close and for comments from uh the uh uh or a lack of comments from from the from the township on this and then the the board would deliberate as far as uh entertaining your vote. All right. Mr. I'm satisfied with the
the record tonight and I agree with you on the planner. I just was curious if perhaps Mr. uh Mr. Chang held two hats. So, uh I know some some engineers have planning licenses as well, but uh thank you and your professionals for uh appearing tonight and and the uh and the
owners of the home. We will reconvene on August 7th. We'll try and get you on first. Thank you, Mr. Chang. Thank you very much, Mr. Chang. Homeowners, thank you very much. Uh there is no further uh applications for the board this evening. I don't think there's any general public
comments because there's no public here this evening. Uh anything from the township, Mr. Hollahan, that we need to hear. I didn't I have nothing, Jeremy. Okay. And Mr. Bchelli? Nothing. Okay. Next meeting is the 31st. July 31st. And then it'll be followed up a week later with with another meeting on
August August 7th. So I thank Mr. Mlin being here this evening. Uh absent any comments from the board. I'm going to ask some Do we have any idea what the annual report will be coming? I don't do the annual I'll find out to you. Okay. Thank you.
Mhm. Any other comments? Someone move for an adjournment. Chevro it. All in favor for adjournment say I. I. Any opposed? We stand ajourned.