I'd like to start the meeting. Would everyone please rise allegiance of America to the republicy andice for all? >> Please be seated.
Welcome everyone. Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting February 5, 2026. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Oldbridge Township Zoning Board of Adjustment has been provided in accordance with the open PE uh public meetings act at least 48 hours prior to the commencement of this meeting. Also
by prominently posting in the municipal complex an announcement giving the time, the date, the location, the agenda of this meeting, mailing such announcements at the home news and Tribune, filing a copy of such announcement with the municipal clerk and posting the agenda in the municipal website. >> Mr. Pelli, can we have a roll call,
please? >> Certainly. Mrs. Andrews here, >> Miss Gomez, >> present. >> Mr. Iso, >> here. >> Mr. Scogn here. >> Miss Spanelli here. >> Miss Testie, >> here. >> Mr. Sing
absent. Miss Fbach >> here. >> Chairman Sullivan >> here. >> Mr. Varga >> here. >> Miss Savant. >> Mr. McCarthy >> here. >> Thank you. Just a couple housekeeping items. I would ask anyone in the
courtroom, if you do have a phone, which I'm sure everyone does, please silence it so it doesn't interrupt uh any of the testimony this evening. This uh meeting is being televised on CATV uh channel 15 here with in the township. Uh
simultaneously it the feed goes out over YouTube live. You ever want to refer back to the meeting you can find that uh via YouTube. Let's see item number three board members is is the adoptions of the rules and regulations. And I've just
highlighted uh to Miss Sant there's still a number of items that I read in there that still have to be. So we're I'm going to ask someone to table that and we'll bring it up the next meeting. So we have those items removed.
>> Chairman, if I may. Go ahead. >> I just want to um let the board know too that we have the annual zoning report ready. It's just that I've been swamped with the housing plan. So, I haven't gotten a chance to review it. The staff
has prepared it, but probably at the next meeting, you will get a draft copy. Uh for new board members, it's an annual report which summarizes the uh applications that were approved last year and the type of applications that
were approved or denied. um the actually information or the data helps you to make recommendations to the council for any policy changes. So you should have that at the next meeting for review.
>> Thank you. uh this evening uh before I go any further I'm just going to announce that Ryan McCarthy professional engineer is seated at the end of the day Venus Swan of professional planners uh seated next to him and to my right your left uh Pat
Vargas is of council to the board other than that the rest of the board here is members uh we'll continue on now board I did ask someone would be moved to uh table the 2020 zoning board adjustment. >> Second.
>> Is that Miss Spinelli? First, >> yes, I believe it was. >> Roll call. >> Miss Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Gomez, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Mr. Scogno, >> yes. >> Miss Penelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie,
>> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. Hopefully we can put that on for February 19th which is is our next meeting. Uh board members, we have two minutes to adopt minutes of January 8th, 2026 meeting. Uh absent any comments
or deletions or typos someone moving for adoption is >> second. Mr. Oo seconds and was that Miss Gomez? >> Yes. >> Call me catch up there. >> Miss Andrews. >> Yes. >> Miss Gomez. >> Yes. >> Mr. Iso. Yes, >> Mr. Scogno.
>> No, >> Miss Spinelli. >> Yes, >> Miss Testie. >> Yes, >> Chairman Sullivan. >> Yes. The same's going to apply minutes of January 22, 2026. Someone move them for adoption. >> Is there a second?
>> Roll call, please. When you catch up, >> Miss Andrews? >> Yes. >> Miss Gomez? >> Yes. >> Mr. Iso? >> Yes. >> Mr. Scogno? >> Yes. >> Miss Spanelli? >> Yes. >> Miss Tivery? >> Yes. >> Chairman Sullivan? >> Yes. Uh item five on the res on the uh
agenda this evening is resolutions. We have two. We'll call them in order. 36-205Z. It's Ivan Ganell. It was a C variance counselor. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. This is a resolution approving bulk variance relief property known and designated as block 60, lot 430.11, also
known as 430 Bay View Drive. This resolution legitimizes location of a deck, PA, driveway, and PA patio that were previously installed without permits. The variances that are being approved is a 7 foot setback for a deck where zero feet is proposed along the front and re rear yard and minimum
required landscape area ratio of 45% is required where 4.85% is proposed to permit a hot tub as an accessory structure in the front yard and finally to permit pavers to be zero feet from the property line where 3 feet is required. >> Thank you Mr. Varga board members.
Someone move that for adoption please. >> Andrew is moving. >> Is there a second? Is >> Mr. Mr. Got that one. >> Roll call, please. >> Miss Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Gomez, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Mr. Scogn, >> yes. >> Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes.
>> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. >> 42-205Z. That's Anna and Razia Hashman. It's a design waiver. Mr. Varger. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. This is a resolution granting design waiver relief for property known
and designated as block 130005 lot 42 aka 62 Wesley Road. The design waiver is to permit a driveway that is 73 feet in width where 30 ft is permitted. >> Thank you councelor. Uh someone move for adoption please. >> Is there a second?
>> Mr. Andrews second. >> Miss Andrews >> yes. >> Miss Gomez. >> Yes. >> Mr. Iso. >> Yes. >> Mr. Scogn. >> Yes. >> Miss Spinelli. >> Yes. >> Miss Testie. >> Yes. Chairman Sullivan. >> Yes. Item six is swearing in a professionals. Mr. Vargo once again
>> comes to our only application for this evening. Uh this is a continuence. It's 50-20 21Z OBJ LLC. This is the ED1 zone. This is block 1069 lot one physical location
69 highway 35 for an apartment addition. Applicant proposes an addition to the first floor of the existing two-story building and an addition to the second floor for additional apartment units. Applicant seeking major preliminary and
final site plan with C and D variances. Salvatore Alfuri Esquire for council. One more time. >> There you go. >> Green. Sorry. Turn that one on. Save us. >> Uh, Salvatore, Alfury, Clearary, Gia, Kobe, Alfury, and Jacobs on behalf of
the applicant. Um, Mr. Chair, we, um, this is our third appearance here over the course of well over a year. Um, and this project has evolved. We've worked with your professionals over the course of this year to reduce this the scope of
the project. We're today we're proposing 10 rental apartment units. Um just by way of background, it's a mixeduse building. It's in pretty bad shape. You'll see photographs from our planner momentarily. um by approving is and that that use
that we have now which is a mixeduse commercial and the apartments is grandfathered protected as a pre-existing nonconformity. So that use is there no matter what. What we're doing is attempting to add a couple of new unit rental units and in return for that um we're going to refurbish the
place, bring it up to modern standards. department units will be larger and the other added bonus that the town is going to receive is that two of the units are going to be affordable units which means they'll be deed restricted for 30 years which is something you don't have now here these are non nondeed restricted
units so they could be rented at market rates so the applicant is adding units but two of them are going to be restricted to affordable and we'll comply with whatever uh hack regulations relate to those two units this property also received received approvals in the
late 80s for 15 apartments. Um, but that approval was never perfected and therefore they were never built. Um, so here we're here today essentially for a 10-unit apartment with the one commercial space on the first floor. Um, since we've been I know there's some
board new board members, but since we've been here twice already, we're not going to go into elaborate detail on the site plan. Um, but the engineer is going to come up give you a brief overview of the site plan and what's being proposed. We have an architect who's just simply going to describe the improvements he's
making to the exterior and to the apartment units. We have our traffic engineer here for questions. We're not going to call him up because he he's with a higher unit count. He provided testimony that the that the site operates safely and efficiently. We do
need to get an NJ DOT either permit or letter of no interest. Um, so with fewer units, if it if it would function with more units, it certainly would function with fewer units. But he's here if you have questions. And then we have a planner who's going to provide the planning testimony. >> Yeah. For the record, Mr. Alfiri, uh,
when this first started, uh, Mrs. Andrews was here. >> I was here. Mr. Ozo was here. Mr. Scogno was here. >> We You're not listed on the on the uh, minutes. Yeah, but this was from the beginning is
what I'm talking about. Right from the beginning, the original uh transcript, you'll see who was listening. >> Okay. So, I would just appreciate if there would be something by someone to kind of give an overview to to the people that are >> I'm sure have read all of this. But >> yeah, and our engineer will do that.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate this. >> Jackie. >> Yeah. And I looked at the transcripts. You were here at the second meeting, not the first one. >> You didn't miss much. Don't worry. Were was she previously sworn? >> Yes, I was >> twice.
>> You're good to go. >> Right. So, and Jackie, while you're getting oriented, introduce yourself to the board for those members who didn't see you the first two times. >> Hi, I'm uh Jacqueline Flor. I'm the president and CEO of Ingenuity Infrastructure, and I'm the civil engineer that prepared and signed and sealed the plans. >> Thank you.
>> Yes. Yes. And for the record, Miss Blur did testify here on this matter uh previously. Uh just introduce yourselves to the board members of what you do. >> Sure. So, we're a civil engineering firm. Um I've been on both sides of the deis. We
prepare site plans. We design roads, water, sewer, infrastructure, grading, drainage, everything outside of the footprint of a building is what civil engineers do. >> Thanks. And I think that's important to those watch who watch these meetings at home so they know what's your expertise
and why you why you're sitting there talking. So thank you. I appreciate you giving that time. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. >> And thank you Jackie. There's a there's a exhibit on the screen before the board. Um can you that was a descript exhibit that your office prepared correct? >> Yes it is. >> Can you just identify what that is so we
can mark it and then you can explain what it depicts? >> Sure. So it's a colorized site plan. Um, on this site plan, we turned on some of the landscaping as well, so so you could get a feel for where the site is landscaped. But basically what it is is
site plan that shows you the variances as well as orients you to the location of the site. Um, we have two different colors shown. one that's the existing um footprint of the building and then you can see the twotory edition and then um
you can see that you'll hear from the architect that the entire thing is being renovated. Also shown on this exhibit you can see the parking lot, you can see the location of the refues and then you can see that um the proposed site now
proposes one way in circulation and to come out on Rosewood Drive. That's different than the circulation is in the current condition. Currently, that's a two-way drive. Um, we're proposing one way in and one way out in order to provide more parking spaces in order to
serve the site. To give you a feel for where the site's located, it's at 69 um Highway 35 between Birwood Drive and Rosewood Drive. Um, I'm going to go through some of the variances, but you're going to hear about the variances from um Christine Capone, the planner.
She's going to go through all the proofs, but just to give you a feel because some of you hadn't heard it before. But first, let me start with what we have changed for the ones that were here before is that we worked with the architect. It's a different architect than the last time we were
here. And he actually made the footprint slightly smaller in so the F did go down slightly, just slightly. Um, but he also there were a lot of comments about the size of the units and you'll hear from him about trying to make sure that they conform with your ordinance because I thought that that sounded like it was
very important. So, you're going to hear changes like that from the architect. Um, and then as far as the engineering, what changed was there's a guywire that's right in the front of the site. It's existing. And then rather than have
that be a question of will we be able to remove the guy wire, will we not be able to remove the guy wire, we just went ahead and made that area when you come in a little bit easier to make the turn and we added a bike rack there. So that was really the only thing we changed. >> Explain to the board members who might
not be familiar with the guy wire what that is. And >> so a guywire is if you see a utility pole, have you ever seen the wire that's connected to the utility pole so it doesn't fall? So, there's a guywire that goes into the site and we were going to try to work with the utility company to
see if that guy gwire was necessary. Rather than leave that question up in the air, we decided let's just make it a larger landscape area and add a bike rack there and leave the guywire. And so, that's what we did. >> Do you happen to have a
>> do not have a pointer? >> You have I bet you someone does. go that far. >> I have one in my briefcase which I didn't bring. >> Hold on. >> Go that far.
>> Yes, that works. Perfect. >> All right, let's >> So, why don't you point out the area you were just talking about? >> Yes, I would appreciate. Thank you. >> Yes. So this area right here, previously you can see we had a parking stall right there. And as a result, using an
engineering term, the curb return radius was pretty tight. And the engineer didn't love that. So rather than try to soften it by keeping it where it was and then talk to the utility company about removing the guy wire, we had we ended
up just making it we had more parking than we needed. So we decided to just lose the parking stall and add the bike rack because there was a request for bike racks anyways. Um and so that's what we did and we also were able to increase the landscape area slightly by doing that. Now, um, speaking of
parking, will we provide EV ready parking spaces in complian with the statute? >> Yes. Right here in the back, those are the EV ready parking spaces. And then per the statute, two of them have to be installed at the time of CO. And so, we're going to meet all of those requirements.
>> Okay. And you mentioned the dumpster. Can you just show the board where the dumpster is? >> So, the dumpster right here. There were some comments. We have a second exhibit if you could um I think that we provided that was a turning template exhibit. Um the engineer did have a few comments just to make sure we had shown the park.
>> Just identify that just so the record's clear. This we marking these as go exhibit A1 >> and this will be A2. >> Exhibit. >> Thank you. Go ahead. >> This is A2. And so the engineer had commented that in the previous turning template exhibits we had shown the park
the cars pulled the whole way up to the curb where their wheels would have hit. He asked if we could pull them to the back just to see if the vehicle could still make its way through. So, this is the turning exhibit to show that we we made sure to take the refuse and just um
angle it slightly just to make sure that no matter what it didn't impact the vehicle because I know that that was one of the comments that was in the letter. >> And the garbage pickup, it was testified previously, is private hauler. So, the the property manager owner deals with the private hauler to pick up garbage.
>> Correct. Um and then what about um drainage? How how does it function now and how will it change if at all? >> So it actually was a slight decrease in drainage. So we went through all of the drainage with the engineer. Um there were some comments in the letter about the area this small area right behind
the site. Um this this zooms in. So if we could go to um A1 so you could see the area that the full area that he asked about. Yes. So, you can hardly see it, but there's about a foot in the back of the
property. It might be slightly more. I can I can look at the exact dimension. It's a very small area. There it is. It's um well, we're not calling it out, but it's a small area on the back of the site, probably about a foot right behind the property. He had asked if we could
just make sure that it's not holding water there. So, what we're going to do is we're going to just grade it either towards this landscape area or we could take the roof leaders and work with the architect to make sure that no water gets captured um in that back area. And while we're talking about the technical
comments in the report, you have a you've had a chance to review the report that was issued by the board professionals February 2nd, correct? >> Yes, I have. >> And um are there are there anything is there anything in this report that you believe you can't address as a condition of approval?
>> No, we can we can address all the comments as a condition of approval. Um, and if the engineer had any questions in the letter that he wanted us to address, I think the only thing I wanted to point out is he asked if there was going to be signage. Um, since we now have this
larger landscape area right here, if it would fit and if it met the ordinance requirements, then we would uh like to have a small sign there, but we would >> site identification. >> Yeah. Just for sight identification of >> monument style. >> Yes. And so if if it complies with the ordinance, we would like to be
>> so as part of the compliance plan. >> I think you lost yourself. >> So as long as it is compliant, we can add it to the compliance uh approval as well. >> Perfect. >> And we we we've received a report from the fire district number two indicating
that conceptually the plan is satisfactory. We also received a report from Shade Tree that they've approved the plans as well. Um, and then one final question and then I'll open it up obviously to any questions anyone has is landscaping you mentioned. Can you just describe what the landscaping is
proposed andor existing? >> So there's really not much existing out there. So in order to try to um add landscaping, we did add landscaping in this area. If you go out there, this is pretty birmed and you'll see from the planner that this this kind of has some pitch to it. So, we added some buffer
landscaping in the back. We added shade trees along the Birchwood Drive and then even along um Route 35, we added trees and landscaping along the front. And the same thing with the buffering here and then up behind the sidewalk and this and then this will all be lawn and then this
area here will all be lawn. >> Um that's all we had. Anything else you needed to cover your end? >> Um not unless the engineer wanted me to go through any of the comments. >> Yeah, sure. The only the only quick thing I have so from this colored site rendering it looks like there are going
to be improvements to the concrete driveway along Route 35 and then on the most recent submitted plan. So I just wanted to get some clarification with that. >> Yeah. So you you had commented on your letter so we decided to add that back in. >> Um we do have to get a letter of no interest and sometime the reason we had
taken it off is sometimes DOT doesn't want it a crosswalk unless it's a major driveway. So, we had taken it off because we thought we would get that comment, but we figured we're going to them anyways. Let's put it on and see what they say. >> Perfect. >> And and while you mention DOT, there's
also a potential that the DOT might want a parking space eliminated at the driveway. Is that possible? >> It's possible. Um Lee Klene, our traffic engineer, when we're talking about the letter of no interest, did point out
that this is the travel lane. These are the spaces we measured it. it's more than it's more than 50 feet to the center of the travel lane. So, we should be fine. But he has seen applications where if it's less than 50 feet, they won't allow any parking spaces in the in
the drive into the site. So, he just wanted us to be aware of that. We have two extra spaces, so we would still be fine. Um, but our hope is that it would actually qualify as a letter of no interest and it won't even go into a minor is is is our hope. But we just
wanted to bring that up in case in case they do comment on it and they would only comment on it if it got elevated to a minor which was one of the reasons we started removing improvements in the the OT right away.
>> McCarthy, anything else? >> I think that's everything I have. Thank you, >> Mr. Swat. >> Um, good evening board members. Um, you know, I'm I'm going to just give a little more background than Jackie did only because it's a combination of
what's going on on the site as well as it um helps with the planning testimony or to understand the planning testimony better. Um, especially because there are new members on the board. So this application came in in 2021 and when it
came in it was for eight existing units uh one store and then there was an addition of seven more units. To give you a little background, the application the the application was
originally filed in 1988 and it was for 7 17 units. Um it was denied. It came back to the zoning board the following year uh with 15 units. The application
was approved at that time. But there was a condition that was put in that the construction needs to occur within 3 years. It didn't happen and that's the only reason why they have to come back to the board because typically a use
variance once granted runs with the land. In the interim what happened and I think this is where it is important for you to understand um in the interim what happened is the township adopted the economic development opportunity zone.
Uh that was in 2015. Um there were in the master plan re-examination report that was followed in 131517 there were some recommendations to add residential to the EDO zone but it was
never approved by the council. The council specifically eliminated residential in 2020 because if you look at oldbridge zoning map we have 43 zones. I still cannot understand why we have 43 zones
and it has been I've been on a mission to reduce them because when I looked at the CN zone which was neighborhood commercial and EDO1 economic development opportunity zone they're identical they they're identical the purpose is the
same. I didn't understand why they were in there. So I replaced I eliminated the CN zone completely and replaced it with the ED1 zone. Now what happens when the zone for a use change is it this use
becomes an preexisting use because it was approved by a use variance and that is why they need not a new use variance they need an D2 use variance which is expansion of an existing nonconforming
use when you as a board are evaluating the use when it's a use variance the proofs that are required ired are much more stringent because then you have to um establish or you have to uh conclude
whether the site is truly suitable or not. But in this case the use is already existing. They're expanding it. So to some extent you've already met the site suitability because it is existing. So the proofs that are required are much
less stringent and I'll let Chris to explain. She's a better teacher. I've heard her. She takes classes. I love listening to her. But as the township planner, I just want you to understand that um the proofs required are less.
There have been issues of with the appearance of this building. If you notice, if you have driven by um it has been pretty outdated. So I feel this is an attempt to update it. in the last
four years. The reason why this application is being heard after four or five years is although you guys only heard it, the old members heard it only once, the applicant has been making a lot of efforts working with us
professionals to improve because when it came in with the eight units although they had prior approvals, I kept uh questioning the density because the unit size of the existing building was very
small. Like there were units that were 300 square ft, 280 square ft was the lowest I guess. And I couldn't just understand how you could create units that small. So we went back and forth.
Uh the units were reduced from 15 to 13 to 11. So there were numerous iterations and um it is to the applicant's credit to work with us professionals um and uh come up with a product that is
much more palatable in terms of density. Typically we have not allowed residential in any of the EDO zones. So when a zoning board application comes in for EDO, we have not we don't want to set a
procedent. But in this case, the building is existing. It's not like you're allowing a new residential building in that zone. So all these factors you have to keep in mind before making a decision. I'm sure the planner
will go into details with uh the other things that they have done to meet the positive criteria and to address the negative criteria. But I just wanted to give you a little background. I know it's detailed in my memo, but I just wanted to summarize. I know Miss Gomez
had uh questions about the previous approval and I hope uh the memo did justice to some of the questions you had. So, um, if there is anything else the board wants to know from me, I'm I'll be happy to help. But that's the
little background on this application. And now the applicants professionals are here to answer any of the other questions you may have. >> Mr. M, go ahead. >> One quick thing. I just was quickly going through my memo to see um, it was
comment number 12. It's just um so the the commercial use is going to have two designated parking spaces. In our letter, we were just asking if the residential would have designated spaces or if it's just going to be um >> so we spoke to the applicant about that and he's fine putting u markings on the
pavement to designate. He'd probably designate just one per unit and let the other ones >> work out as they may is probably how he would do it. >> Fine. >> Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. I'll sort on my left.
questions of this uh question right up the road. >> Turn your mics on. >> It is on. >> Oh, it's not picking you up. >> Okay. >> The direction >> um the traffic engineer will handle the question.
>> Yeah, we can bring them up and answer questions. Sure. >> I just have a question. How many is there right now? You're adding to it. So, how many are you actually adding? >> The reports say there's eight units and we're adding two. >> Okay. So, you're you're adding the two. >> We're going to ultimately it'll be 10
units when we're finished. >> Okay. And the pink is the part that you're adding >> on the bottom floor. >> Uh twotory edition, but the architect will go through that in detail. Okay. >> Mr. Scott. >> Yes. Thank you. And the units are broken
down by apartments. So, how many apartments in a unit? >> No. No. There's there there'll be 10 apartments. >> 10 apartments. >> Six twobedroom, four onebedroom. The architect will tell you that. But that's >> right. And the affordable part >> that's that within the 10 two of them will be affordable.
>> And the parking for them >> part of the same. >> And are you going to have electric vehicle parking? >> Yes. >> How many of those? >> There'll be two initially. Ultimately there'll have to be four over sixyear period, but two at inception are required. >> A charging station or
>> Yes. Two will be make two will be ready installed and then the others will be make ready for future. >> Okay. Thank you Mr. >> I'm good. Thank you. >> Mrs. Andrew >> uh correct me if I understood. Are you
refurbishing it totally inside? So the the size of the apartments that are already there are going to be enlarged. >> Let the architect let him answer. He'll give you a better detail than we've got. >> Thank you. Also, I just wanted to know, did you say there were going to be two um two commercial spaces for the just
one commercial space? >> One one unit, two parking spaces. I'm not sure what you're asking. >> One commercial space with two parking spaces, >> right? >> One commercial unit. >> The the business that's there right now, the psychic. >> That's it.
>> How many parking spaces will that have? They will have two. Okay. >> And those are going to be marked. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Testify. >> No, wait. No questions. Thank you. >> You did make mention of that. You said the entire site is going to be
renovated. Were you referring to the buildings, all the interior buildings, or were you referring to the site itself, >> exterior? >> I'm referring to the site itself. I'll have the architect talk about the interior. >> And you're going to block the entrance way with uh concrete. So, it's a right in only coming south on 35
>> to stop anyone from going back out that way. >> Right now, we were not. We were we were taking it directly in, but because it has to go to DOT. DOT may require that. We didn't want to start messing with the driveway until we went to DOT for a letter of no interest to see if they asked us to do that. >> That would be normal, right, Mr.
McCarthy? >> Yeah, that's fair. I mean, any of the improvements within DOT's right away, they're going to require signoff. So, I think this is a good plan for now and then let's see what DOT says down the road. Uh the front driveway on Rosewood. >> You have your pointer. You want to show
me to that. >> So the car's going to exit there. There's another driveway up. There was another exit way up to the top. It's going to be closed. >> Yes. So we had originally proposed to have it over here. You we had heard from the board you didn't like that there. So we got rid of that and moved the refuge
here. So we are no longer putting any driveway here. >> Okay. So there no cars would be up there, right? >> None. still going to be it's going to be landscaped I assume or yes other than pavement. >> Yes, this is all grass and then this is buffer landscaping. This is landscaping and this is a sidewalk.
>> The only entrance out would be the one closest to Route 35. >> Yes, this is the entrance out plus we're proposing sidewalk here. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay, >> Mr. Alf architect right sir. >> Thank you for your
>> Thank you so much. Council, was he previously sworn? >> No, he's new. >> Sir, please raise your right hand. >> You swear, affirm, tell truth, and nothing but the truth. I hope you got it. >> Yes. >> Please state your name and spur your last for the record. >> Frank Materella III. Last name is
spelled M A R T A R E L L A. >> And Frank, we're seeking to have you qualified as a licensed architect. Would you place your credentials on the record, please? Sure. Uh registered architect uh in the state of New Jersey since uh 2010 and uh I'm the owner and
architect of uh Think Design Architecture >> and you've qualified to Yes. Yeah. I've testified uh before several boards in New Jersey previously. >> Thank you, Mr. Morell. Appreciate you putting your credentials on the record. We accept them. >> Thank you. And the exhibit, which I assume will mark, can you identify that
exhibit will be A3, but identify what we're looking at? >> Sure. These are two uh perspective renderings uh of what the anticipated uh improvements of the building will be at the end of the construction. Um on the on both renderings on the left hand side
is the area that's uh or the portion of the building that's previously been discussed as being the addition and the remaining L-shaped portion uh if you will to the right is the existing building which again will be improved. and um the bedroom, the floor plan and
layout of the interior. Can you just generally describe for the board the number of bedrooms each would potentially each will have and then the sizes of the units? >> Sure. Um speaking uh sort of generically, uh it's a it's definitely a mix of two bedrooms
and onebs. There's no studio apartments, but the exact mix is uh as previously mentioned, there will be six two-bedroom units and four one-bedroom units throughout the building for a total of 10. >> And how large are those units? >> Oh, sorry. Uh specifically, um each of
the units uh will be and I'll I'll just run through them quickly. Uh unit number one 647 ft. Unit two 647 ft. Unit 3 487 ft. Unit four, 649 square feet. Unit
five, 535 square feet. Unit 6, 719 ft. Unit 7, 480 ft. Unit >> 480 or 480? >> 480. >> Yeah. Uh, unit 8 647 ft. Unit 9 647 ft.
Unit 10 480 ft. And just to backtrack a second, the commercial uh space is uh 300 uh 300 ft and there is also a separate uh laundry room/ electrical
room which rounds out at about 73 square ft. >> And then when you were revising the plans from what was originally presented to the board, we eliminated some units. So did how did you handle that in relation to the floor plan? Yeah. So
the previous uh the previous submitt or the previous design had a larger amount of units I believe at that time or most recently it was 11 units. Um so what we did was we reduced slightly we reduced the footprint of the enlar of the two-story enlargement of the building.
We reduced that slightly. And then we also rearranged a lot of the ex uh a lot of the other interior units, but we did specifically uh and most significantly merged uh two units to create one unit. Um and then again, that's how we got
down to 10. And the important thing there is that there were multiple there was at least more than one unit which was undersized in the building at the time. So by reducing the number of units and rearranging them, we were able to achieve 100% compliance with the requirements for for the one-bedroom and
the two-bedroom room areas. Now, which units are are there units that are existing that are going to remain unchanged? And then there are units, I assume, that are going to be either reconfigured or added. So how many units exist that will remain unchanged? >> Um, in truth, almost almost none. I
mean, almost all of the units are being modified in some form or fashion uh to achieve compliance. >> And then I I guess that's really all I have for the architecture. >> Mr. McCarthy. >> Uh I'm good. Thank you. >> So,
>> so um I do have some comments because um I wanted to look at the actual shades of the blue and the materials that I used. Um I think uh do you agree uh do you agree to work with me during compliance
to go over the architecturals to finalize them? >> Yes, absolutely. >> Um yeah, other than that the building definitely looks much nicer uh than the existing building um and we can fine-tune it when during compliance
stage. So uh as part of the one of the conditions should the board act favorably would be that the applicant agrees to work with the township professionals on finalizing the uh elevations. >> There's an agreement to that Mr.
>> Yes. >> Anything else? >> I'm going to start on my left again. We'll come right back down the aisle. >> No questions. No question. >> The affordable housing part, I might
have missed it. Is it the same size rooms compared to the others? >> Yeah, we um we have to work with Vina and your affordable housing administrator to select you are okay to select which units she's going to
require that are going to be the affordable designated ones. So, we'll work with her and >> Thank you. I could tell you we're not offering up the largest units to be affordable. I could tell you that. But but we'll work with her. >> The only thing is uh the only thing I just since the affordable housing came
up um I just wanted it's not a 30-year uh deed restriction. It's a 40 when it is rental based on the new regulations. And I I'm sure you agree to the deed rest. >> And I think the I don't know what the bedroom mix is required. go through the
U-Hack requirements for >> whatever it is it'll be either one either or or both. It might be two twos, it might be one and one. We don't know. >> And one more question. The present business that is there, I don't think that it's um
allowable according to what I read. What is it? A psychic? >> It's Yeah, it's a psychic. Yeah, I think it's it's a it's a it's um it's definitely permitted there. It's been operational. So I didn't see anything that said that was permitted.
>> I can confirm the use is permitted. The mixed use building is not permitted but the actual commercial use that has been proposed because the EDO ED1 zone ordinance has retail sale and
services. This comes under services. It also allows uh a number of uh professional offices and similar type of uses. So it is a permitted permitted use. So I can confirm that >> satisfied >> is correct.
>> There's actually three staircases that lead up to the second floor. So yes, the second >> that's the only way up at there's nothing internally inside the building. >> There's one interior staircase uh in the front corner sort of next to that uh
commercial use. That is a staircase that is a dedicated staircase to one apartment alone on the second >> to one apartment. The other the other staircases are to the other apartment. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, that's what I wanted to know. Thank you. That's ready. >> While I know you've you agreed to work
with the U planning department. >> Is that still brick and colored or is it going to be a different facade? >> Totally different facade. All the finishes. >> That's fine. That's fine. Thank you. >> Okay. >> I have no further questions. >> Thank you. >> We're going to call our traffic um
expert. >> Appreciate your testimony, sir. >> Thank you. Same question. Previously sworn. >> He has been sworn. >> I was here. Yes. Back in uh >> Yeah. June of 23. >> June. >> Birthdays ago.
>> And just introduce. >> Still still a professional engineer. My name is Lee. Middle initial D is in Daniel Klene. K L E I N. I'm a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey. My license is current. I'm also a nationally certified professional traffic operations engineer. I'm the
traffic engineer for this project. >> And your specialty is handling the traffic aspects of these types of applications. >> That's correct. Traffic, parking, and the DOT deal. >> Thank you. He was qualified. >> Mr. Klein's been qualified at the last meeting and certainly we we recognize his expertise.
>> So Lee, um, if can we go back to A1, please? >> So Lee, first explain to the board the DOT jurisdiction aspect of this application. So whenever you touch anything within the DOT rightaway being the curb, sidewalk, driveway,
handicap ramps, things like that, you need to go to DOT for a permit. So we're trying not to modify anything within the DOT right away. So technically, we're asking for a letter of no interest. We're going to ask for that letter of no interest. And as as Miss Flor said, we've got those two parking spaces that
we think are well with outside of the 50 foot distance from the edge of the travel way into the site. So that shouldn't be an issue. And we're not modifying it other than it being from a two-way enter exit to an enter only. And that actually should be something better
that DOT should be happy with. So hopefully they'll give us that. If not, we're going to have to get a minor permit to be able to make it just an entrance only. >> Okay. Okay. And then how will the exit on Rosewood function? >> So the exit on Rosewood, because of the angles of the parking, everybody's going to be oriented toward Rosewood Drive. If
you want to go south on 35, come out to Rosewood, make the right onto 35. If you want to go back to the north or cross over, you'll go through the neighborhood. I think it's called Pine Island. Yeah, Pine Island Terrace. Loop around, come back to Birchwood, come to the signal at Birchwood, and either make
a left to right or go straight across. >> Okay. Okay. And you had testified previously that um the driveways operated well you did you ever testify to the Roadswood location that's currently up there now or was >> that's the way the site plan looked when I was
>> Okay. So you testified earlier that both um access points would operate safely and efficiently previously with high more units. >> Correct. Yes. Yeah. I mean the trip generation changes by one trip in the afternoon stays the same in the morning. Saturday, I think, is just about the
same as well. So, we're talking about seven trips, two in, five out in the morning peak hour, eight trips in the PM peak hour. That's one hour between 4 and 6 p.m. The AM is 1 hour between 7 and 9 in the morning, eight trips. And then uh
on a Saturday, eight trips, four and four out on one hour during the peak hours. So, >> so that's your highest traffic. >> That's the That's for the Yes, that's the residential portion. That's And the commercial part is not changing. So that's going to remain the same. >> So really all we had of the traffic
engineer unless you have specific questions for him. >> Mr. McCarthy first. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just a few quick comments that I just wanted to just get some things on the record for. Um the original because this goes back to 2023. The original traffic impact study that
was completed was under the fifth generation of the IT. So just to put on the record, the sixth edition, there's no significant change to the traffic. That's >> that's the parking generation. Yes. Correct. >> Yeah. I mean, we meet the parking requirement. So I don't even remember why I went into the it numbers because
we have the 1.8 for the four units and the six for the >> certainly >> for the six units. I'm sorry, two for each of the six units. So we meet the parking requirement. >> Perfect. Uh and the other just one other comment we had in our letter um for a loading zone, it's one of the waiverss that's required. if you could just talk
about what the I guess more or less why it's not necessary for a loading zone, what the commercial uses on site, what the expected deliveries are, type of vehicles, things of that nature. >> Yeah, I mean deliveries we're talking about UPS, FedEx, Amazon, food deliveries, Uber drop off, pickup, things like that. Uh most of those
vehicles will fit within a parking spot. the uh move in and move out. You know, somebody's gonna maybe rent a U-Haul, a small box truck, or they're going to borrow their parents' minivan and and move some furniture in like that. If, you know, if a piece of furniture has to come from a
some sort of a store or some something, they'll be able to find a spot to park there temporarily and and offload that. But we do have that that striped area, right? So, that's that's a striped area there, right, Jackie? Is that a striped? >> Believe it's a a fire lane. >> It's fire lane. Yeah. So, we can't park
in that, right? Okay. >> Okay. >> It's all my comments. Thank you. >> Thanks, Mr. What? >> I have no comments. >> Mr. Chair, >> uh, I'll start on my left. >> I'm curious. Um, the EV parking spots
that's mandated >> state law. Yes, correct. >> So, we have three EVs, >> four EV parking places. >> Two initially. two initially and then two make ready where they put the equipment in >> and one handicapped >> one per for the first 25 you need one
handicap spot >> seems a little offkilter but >> that's that's a federal law actually the handicap >> thank you >> Sure have a question on the >> yes it is on sorry on the ingress and
eress on rosewood rosewood is a one way up how's it come out to 35 I live on that Rosewood is one way toward 35. >> No, the other way up through the up through. It doesn't come out. It goes
up. That's why I'm concerned because I drove up there the other day and it has one way signs everything. >> Oh, I don't remember seeing that. I mean, to me there's >> I do have it on my phone. >> Yeah. All right, I'll look on my phone, too. Yeah,
>> I have a video of it. Hold on. So then everybody that comes out of this site will have to make a right onto Rose wouldn't go through the go up to Pine Island Terrace. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because when I went through there and I had a discussion with somebody else and they're like, "No, it's it's a it was initially a
two-way." I was like, "No, it's a one way. I just want to confirm that." >> I said, "If you're coming out on Rosewood on to 35, you're going to get hit." >> I do see that the cars are parked all facing Yeah. >> but they're facing Route 35. >> It's crazy. There's signage up there that says one way.
>> So when you get to Pine Island, you can't >> No, no, no. It's all one. When you're coming in, >> I turned on to Rosewood. There is a stop sign and on top it's a one way facing this >> into Rosewood. >> But no, no, that's the one way to tell you that Route 35 is one way.
>> Oh, the other way. >> Yeah, I I never noticed that because I've seen cars primarily facing the highway. >> They they park >> Yeah, >> they they park all over the place up there. I live on the other side down by by Dunkin Donuts and they they all have
their own way of parking. >> All right. Well, either way, and then I guess the question is and I we should maybe work with your engineer. >> Let's make sure that it's correct. If someone's coming out the other way, you know, they're getting hit. >> If we if it is one way and we have to put some kind of curbing to make sure they don't make that
>> turn only. Yeah. >> Just like when they're going into there, they have to be careful because you're going to have a car rear end you agree. So, we'll work with your engineer and make sure that that's safe. That's >> my concern. Well, we'll we'll sort that out. >> Yeah, we we could check with the police department, by the way, because there's
definitely confusion. We don't agree it's one way, but whatever it is, it is. >> Yeah. Well, whatever the police department say, we'll we'll confirm that though. >> And just just to just very quickly too from and this is from Google Street imagery from seven years ago. Uh there
is a double yellow striping at the intersection at Route 35, which would typically indicate that it's a two-way. Um but certainly we'll work with the the applicants team to make sure that that's taken care of. I never saw Lee stumped, so that was good. Proud of you.
>> I even I purposely looked at it first to see how they would get out. >> Okay, that's fine. satisfied. >> Mrs. Andrew, >> no. >> Mr. Verie,
>> what was the total parking on the property? >> 21. >> 21. >> Yes. 11 and 11. Yeah. 11 facing RSI. >> Uh, so 19 is actually required, right? Uh, and 21's provided and that's including the EV credit that gets
applied for each of these. You could have exposure to 32 adults living there though, right? >> I mean all six two bedrooms is either two or two or four times six is 24 plus four onebedrooms which could be four people up to eight people,
>> right? But if I mean if >> No, I understand. I'm just saying this exposure of 32 driving >> possibly. But if you're looking for an apartment here and you're only getting one or two parking spots and you need three, you're have to go someplace else. >> So what did you said the total is? We
have about we have two. Yeah, we have just about more than two per unit. Yeah, we have >> the number is >> what was the number? >> 19 physical. No, 21 physical. >> 21 physical space. >> 21's required and 19 if you do the credit with the the EV that
>> Thank you. >> else just planning next. That's it. >> Sure. >> Are you okay? You want to take a quick? >> Would you like to talk fast? >> She's preparing. >> This isn't on the record.
>> It's not her first rodeo. >> You and me both, my friend. >> All right, let's get back uh on the record here, please. >> All right, please raise your right hand. Do you swear our friend? Tell the truth. Nothing but the kids helping out. >> Yes. You >> state your name. Your last for the record. >> It's Christine Nazaro. N A Z A R O
Kafone. C O F O N E. Business address is 52 Reckless Place, Redbank, New Jersey 07701. I'm testifying this evening as a licensed professional planner. I am in my 30th year as practicing as such in the state of New Jersey. I have been
qualified here in Oldbridge as well as hundreds of other zoning uh planning and zoning boards throughout the state of New Jersey. I teach planning and zoning courses for the Ruckers Center for Government Services. I am a courtappointed affordable housing special master and my licenses are current and valid. Thank you. And I
appreciate that for those that may be at home and not not know you, but if they've ever watched, you're usually appearing here weekly. So, >> yes, regularly here and many other places. >> We certainly recognize your expertise and your licensing. And >> thank you, chairman. And essentially what I do as a planner is like I I am
the missant for the applicant. So, what we do as planners is we look at the zoning and then we determine compliance of the application with with the zoning. So in this particular application, even though there's a mixeduse on the property today or a mixeduse building on the property today, the ED1 zone that
we're in doesn't allow that use. The reason we don't have to seek a D1 use variance and we are seeking the D2 is because it's an expansion of a non-conforming use. We are not looking to establish the use. It's already there, but we are looking to expand it. So that's why we need a D2. I would
agree with Miss Sant there. And that's a difference with the distinction because the proofs are different. When you hear the planner talk about on a D1 use variance, you'll usually hear things like particular suitability and um medi reconciliation. Here we're guided by the Burbridge case which essentially says
the focus should be on the negative criteria and even then according to Burbridge the negative criteria should be looked at with greater liberality. And why is that? Is that because the use is already accustomed to the neighborhood the neighborhood is already accustomed to the use because it's there. The other devariance that we're
seeking in conjunction with this application is a devariance for floor area ratio. So what that means is we exceed the F of I believe it's point 2 is required in the zone and we're at 33.
Similarly, when you're dealing with a D4 for F, the burden of proof that the applicant has to offer is that the site can handle the excess F that is being proposed by the by the application. In addition to that, we need a number of bulk variances that primarily relates to
existing conditions. The lot area is undersized at 049 versus one. The lot width is deficient at 125 versus 90. The front and sideyard setbacks are both deficient. The front yard setback is required to be 30 feet. The existing building is five. And the sideyard
setback is at 1.5 feet where 25 ft is required. That is also somewhat of a new variance because where the building addition is being proposed, it will respect that same 1.5 sideyard setback. So it is it could be looked at as a a new variance because even though it's in
the same that building's getting a little bit bigger in that area. Um but we're also seeking a variance for um the trash in the front yard and for buffering and for the landscape area ratio. So I think you know when you look at this application I think the the
hashtag for the application could be better is better right this site is an existing developed site and I went out and had our office put together a photo exhibit which is up on the board s should we mark this >> A4 >> so when we look at A4 and evidence right which is photos that were taken under my
direction by my office because I think to say that the site lacks curb appeal is an understatement so I think that the what's proposed is a substantial improvement over what's there. The other thing I'll tell the board is that we were originally in conjunction with this application seeking relief for the size
of the of the units of the residential units and uh your planner found that to be very very not much in support of that. So we've corrected that. So now all of the size of the units actually comply with your ordinance. And additionally, we're parked per ISIS,
RSIS, and we are adding hundreds of plannings onto the site and substantially upgrading the architecture and the curb appeal. So, all those things for me point to the fact that the site can handle the excess FA F that we are proposing and also that the D2
expansion um can certainly be granted. So as far as the positive criteria or the purposes of the municipal land use law that are advanced out of this application, I think there are three. Criteria A talks about promoting the general welfare. This is what we would consider now an inclusionary housing
development. And I say that is because two of the units, so two of our 10 units, you will be able to claim credit for them in your housing plan that Miss Sance is actively working on. So today, even though those units might be somewhat affordable, they don't count to
your affordable housing obligation because they're not deed restricted and they don't meet U-Hack. So I agree that we will be subject to a 40-year, not a 30-year deed restriction. The fourth round is very clear that we are affordable will be a 40-year deed restriction. So I think that here we can
rest on promoting the general welfare because we are providing affordable housing units that will be deeed restricted that will be creditw worthy for your housing plan. I also think criteria E which talks about establishing an appropriate population density um can be advanced here. I think the site can support the density that
we're proposing and I think that the betterments of the site are substantial and I also think that criteria M which talks about an efficient use of the land. Um, that's a really a good segue into the negative criteria, too, because when you look at the permitted uses in the EDO1 zone, it's a myriad of some,
you know, fairly intense commercial and retail type uses, even including uh some light industrial and warehousing storage type uses are permitted here and would be tough to adaptively reuse a 049 acre site, right? Like we're just under half of what the zone envisioned. So it would
be a difficult adaptive reuse um for a conforming or as of right use in the ED1 zone. So I don't think that this is an opportunity to really implement the ED1 zone in any meaningful way. And I think that the application that the board has before it tonight is certainly a nice
adaptive reuse of the property that actually gives you the opportunity to really upgrade the experience on site for the residents that are living there and for future residents of the property. So, I see no substantial detriment to the zone plan or the public good if the board were to grant this um
this application. And I think we substantiate our burden of proof with respect to the D2 as well as the D4 and any other ancillary bulk um and buffer and landscape area ratio requirements. >> It's all we have of the planner, Mr.
Chair. >> Pretty short for you. >> It is. I know. I know you guys have a schedule to keep tonight. >> Mr. McCarthy, >> no comments for me. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Mr. >> I don't have any comments. I think I covered everything in my memo as well as my testimony.
>> I think you did as well. And I appreciate what you told the board early on this application. I'm sure that Miss agrees with the record. I'm going to start on my left far as members down to Miss Fernback. All right, Miss Gomez. >> No questions.
>> Satisfied. Andrew, >> that concludes our presentation, Mr. Chair. Oh, >> hold on. >> That's okay. >> Mr. Andrew has something. >> I'm small time. >> Presently, how many tenants are there? >> There are eight apartment units
presently >> and they're all they're all um filled. >> There's no vacancies. There might be v I know that they had a problem. They had a problem tenant who was causing the town and my client a lot of grief that was evicted. That unit might be vacant. Now
one vacancy >> one vacancy and normally what are the leases uh what are the terms of the lease? How many years would they be? >> I don't I don't know. >> So you know I'm sorry. I'm sorry >> what they're charging any of that. It's kind of
>> I apologize. I I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be a bed and breakfast or some type of a thing. >> No, no, definitely not. That that would not be permitted. >> Okay. Thank you. And I apologize. I didn't realize that. >> No, no, no apology necessary. >> Yeah, that would be covered by the
resolution. The fact it is liveable. >> Yes. >> Testimony. Um I don't have anything to add to your testimony. >> Thank you. I use Mr. wants February 2nd uh report. An excellent day, the
birthday of myself, Mr. Alfiri's son and wife. It's the >> extraordinary day. Groundhog's Day. >> Groundhog Day. >> All right. Uh and >> I I read hers, too. It was very good. Uh you have any further witnesses? We have >> Fury.
>> I'm going to go to a public portion. 50- 2021Z. It's how long it's this was started in 20 2021. This matter is at 65 highway uh 35 for a expansion of a small apartment
units there. Anyone wish to be heard in this matter, please rise or raise your hand. This will be the only opportunity to make any comments. If you have any, now would be the time. No one has stood or raised their hand. I'm going to close the public portion.
Mr. Alfury, >> final comments. >> Yeah, just finally uh just by very a brief summary. Um we this was an a long evolution to get to a product that I think everyone um benefits particularly the town. The end result is that the
increase in density is going to be an affordable housing benefit to the town. Um, and we've presented all the necessary proofs to support the variance relief and we've agreed to work with the board professionals to address their technical comments and we'd request that you approve the application. >> Thank you, sir. I'm going to just make
sure that the board doesn't have any questions before we move forward. I'm assuming you're going to call for a vote, >> please. >> I'm gonna start on my left. I'm not calling for a vote here. I'm merely asking if there's anything you want cleared up be while the professionals are here that is on your mind before we go for a vote.
>> The um exit street, you are going to clarify whether that's a oneway. Correct. That's >> Yes. We'll confirm with the police department and and if it is one way, we'll address the access way so that your engineer is satisfied that people can't make illegal left turns towards
the highway. >> Thank you. >> Anything? No question. questions. >> I I don't have any. I'm glad to see that we've finally reached some sort of a u
conclusion here. Uh I was very concerned and when I read the new uh plan that you were putting forward, I was happy to see that they those undersized units have now been a a
fair amount for people to live in. the other ones I thought would not be. That's just my personal opinion. I think that you put a great plan together. Uh I think it's a win-win. I It's obviously a win-win for the uh if it's approved by
the uh board, the owner, and I think it's a win for the township, too. There's great curb appeal that was lacking there. Uh and uh from what I see, it looks like it's going to fulfill that. So, I think the enhancements there
uh help the neighborhood as well. Uh, and I I think it will help those who either live there now or will be living there in the future. So, I I'm going to look forward to supporting this. We'll see how the the board uh feels about the matter. Any further comments from anybody on my
right, Mrs. Andrews? >> That will have to >> That will have to be because it's because it is on a state highway. They have no choice. to apply for that. >> Anyone else? None. >> And just for clarif clarity, it's either a letter or no interest or a D per DOT
permit. Whatever the DOT requires, we have to do. >> Satisfied. Okay. >> All right. Councelor, anything? >> Nothing for me, Mr. Chairman. >> All right. Before we go, uh, why don't you and I know we're going to have to have a D2 followed by D4 and then bulks. >> So, it's all going to be one resolution,
Mr. Chairman. So, going to be resolution for preliminary and final major site plan approval from D2. as well as density variance as well as the both varian as summariz >> okay agreed >> agreed okay someone interested in moving
this so you're moving the D2 the expansion of non-conforming use >> Mr. Rizzo >> Gomez >> is there a second >> Gomez >> moved in second roll call please that's the D2 >> I'm sorry I'm sorry >> it's all together >> correct Mr. Thank you. >> That's for everything.
>> It's a for all. Yeah. >> So, that was ISO and Gomez. I'm sorry. >> It is. >> Okay. >> Miss Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Gomez, >> yes. I cannot wait to see it. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Mr. Scognagno, >> yes.
>> Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan. >> Yeah. As for all the aforementioned reasons, obviously. Yes. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for the board professionals worked it into a really good project for >> right I'm looking forward to you working
with them for any of that coloration or whatever the uh the outside uh service and again thank you and all your professionals. >> Thank you. Good night everyone. >> Good night Mr. FY. >> What's that? >> Yeah. We're going to come back for a resection session.
>> Yeah. Hey, could we go off the record please for a short recess? All right, we have returned from recess. I'd ask for a roll call, please. Miss Pelli, >> certainly. >> Miss Andrews, >> present.
>> Miss Gomez, >> present. >> Mr. Iso, >> here. >> Mr. Scognell >> here. >> Miss Spinelli >> here. >> Miss Testie, >> present. >> Chairman Sullivan >> here. Mr. Varga, >> Miss Sant. >> All right. There is no one left in the
courtroom this evening from the public. Uh so under item eight, under general public comments, uh I'm going to move forward and close that matter because no one is here to offer any. Uh with that, I'm going to ask for uh an executive session that we can go into executive
session for litigation and personnel matters. Someone move that. >> Is there a second? >> Test the verdy. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I'm sorry. Who was second? >> Was it Testie or Andrews?
>> That was Miss >> Test. We're going to go into executive session. So, we'll be leaving the TV and we will not be returning this evening.