Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty andice for all. >> Please be seated.
Welcome everyone. Township of Albridgeidge zoning board of adjustment regular meeting October 30, 2025. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Oldbridge Township zoning board of adjustment has been provided in accordance with the open public meetings act at least 48 hours prior to the
commencement of this meeting by prominently posting of the municipal complex an announcement giving the time, the date, the location of the agenda of this meeting. mailing such announcement to the Home News and Tribune, filing a copy of such announcement with the municipal clerk, posting the agenda on
the municipal website. Vice Secretary Bchelli, could we have a roll call, please? >> Certainly. Mrs. Andrews >> present. >> Miss Chevier >> here. >> Mr. Iso >> here. >> Mr. Scogno, >> absent. Miss Banelli
>> here. >> Mr. Estie, >> present. >> Mr. Singh, absent. Miss Gomez absent. Chairman Sullivan >> here. >> Mr. Varga >> present. >> Mr. Hollahan >> here. >> Miss Savant
>> here. >> You have an announcement you would want to make? >> I do. So our upcoming meeting next week, November 6th, has been cancelled. Um so our next meeting will be November 20th. >> Okay. And the reason is that there was adjournments.
>> Yes, >> councelor. That'll be I think uh changed. You'll post that uh media wise too, right? >> Correct. Yes. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Uh a couple of uh housekeeping issues. One, everybody has one. Please turn it
off so it doesn't interfere with the testimony this evening. Uh number two, we are being televised live on CV15 here in the township, the cable on the cable station. Uh simultaneously this meet
this meeting is being shown live on YouTube live uh if you ever want to look back you can find that on YouTube and the township every now and then as the weeks go by play these meetings. Having said that uh I want to introduce a new member to the board. It's Carmela
Spanelis the lady seated to my left on the end. We we welcome her. Uh we did have a member leave uh had moved to out of state with his family. Carmela is replacing uh that member. So we welcome her to the board. Uh for those who have
never been before board, the people seated to my left are members as myself. People seated to my right are the two ladies are members. We have the township planner, Miss Venus Sant, Township zoning officer, Mr. Hollahan. Of council to the board is Patrick Varga Esquire.
Tonight is mostly actually it is only uh issues that that have to do with the homeowners. I'll give you an explanation after we go through through a few a few things and it will apply to each and every one of your applications equally. Okay. So you can better understand the procedure. Uh do we have the zoning
board of adjustment meeting schedule? I haven't seen it. Uh it probably is but I didn't get to see it. Um was there any suggestions on the something different? >> This is the new one.
>> This for 2026. Yeah. Board members, does everybody get a chance to look at this? Is there any any problems? Any anybody see anything? >> We're only doing one in November. >> Yes. >> Uh if it's without comment, someone move
it for approval for the 2026 meeting. >> Testie Chevair second. >> Roll call, please. on the uh 2026 schedule. >> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Mavalier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Mustverie,
>> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. Uh, we have one minutes. Uh, board members, it's the September 18th, 2025 meeting. Hopefully, everyone had a chance to review that. Uh, absent, any comments for additions, deletions? I'll
ask someone to move it for memorialization. >> Test already moved. >> Is there a second? Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spinelli, >> that's fine.
>> She's correct. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan. >> Yes. Uh, we have uh two resolutions for you counselors this evening. The first one is 062025Z 2G Reform Road LLC. It's amended
preliminary final subdivision. Counselor Mr. Chairman, you don't have a copy of the resolution. >> No, absolutely, sir. >> Mr. Chairman, this is the use variance and site plan approval in reference to
>> Can you hear me now? >> Yep. >> This is an application for amend the preliminary major um final site plan approval. The application was present before the board on I apologize on September 18th, 2025 at which time an
approval was granted as to the preliminary final. Um and at this point the board is just being requested through memorial. I said for set approval. >> Thank you board members. You heard the resolution. Someone want to move it for uh adoption please? >> Testy second.
>> Andrews roll call please. Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spinelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. Uh, the second one for the evening is 49-2024Z,
Outfront Media LLC, major preliminary final site plan with Darian. This is a resolution of denial. Mr. Varga. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This isn't a um resolution denying an application for major um preliminary and final major site plan as well as use variance approval. This was a monopole
application during the public hearing. the applicant failed to demonstrate a legitimate testimony to convince the board that the positive impacted neighborhood in the zone plan of the township as well as the as well as a a finding by the board that the applicant failed to demonstrate special reasons for the uh variance relief to be granted and that the board believed the applicant failed to demonstrate that
granting the relief would not substantially impair the detriment of the public good or the intent and purpose of the zone plane. >> Word members, you heard the resolution. Someone move it, please. It's >> this is a denial resolution. >> Is there a second? Chevier will second
it. >> Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spinelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. >> Uh, brings us to the swearing in of our
professionals. Once again, Mr. Varger, I would ask you to swear in our two township. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear our firm tells you God? >> I do. >> Thank you. Back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. Once again, for those here, that's Miss Venus Sant, the township planner, man. Next to her is Daniel
Hollahan, the zoning officer. Uh, all the applications tonight to simplify matters are homeowner issues. So, they're not commercial entities where they have representation by uh various uh professionals, lawyers, engineers, uh
planners. So, these are just your own homes that you did something or you want to do something. So really what you want to do when we call you up, you have to be put under oath. The the uh board attorney will swear you in. Uh then you're going to tell us in your own
words why you're here. Uh I want to do this or I did this. Uh the who, what, why, where. We may have some questions of you. Uh then we're probably going to ask Mr. Halahan why you're here for a variance. He's going to explain to us
the techn technical aspect. Once again, the board may have some more questions of Mr. Hollahan, they may have questions of you. You may have questions of us. At some point when we reach your final testimony, I have to open what up what's called a public portion. This will apply to each and every one of you. And I have
to see if anybody here tonight wants to speak on behalf or opposed to your particular application. We'll close a public portion and I'll come back to you and I'll ask you if you want to take a vote. If you don't feel that you've accomplished what you think you should have put on the record, we
can't prompt you. There's certain questions that may prompt you, but the truth is you have to put this on the record. You may want to think about coming back again. So, you might want to say, "I don't know that I'm ready for a vote tonight. I'd like to get a continuence." I've read all your matters. Uh, I don't think that's going
to be an issue tonight, but should you feel that way, you do have the right to ask the board for a continuence. It's normally allowed. So, you could probably get your house in order, so to speak. Having said that, it's real simple. We're all residents of the community just like you are. We're volunteers
except for the professionals and we have our own issues. So when you speak to us, you're speaking to other residents who volunteered to do this job, right? So it's pretty simple. Don't get nervous. All we're going to do is talk. And you are on TV. So
>> no pressure. >> I thought that would make you feel good. All right. We're going to call him water. Uh the only thing I'm going to do is I'm going to go to the last page here quickly. Uh 41-2024Z. That was uh Zahir Hussein. That's the
R20 zone that was seeking CND variance. The applicant uh was proposing a two-story addition to the rear of the existing home and deck over an existing patio. uh this meeting uh that meeting I should say has been adjourned uh that application to the public hearing on
November 20th, 2025 uh without further notice. So if you're here on that matter, it's not going to be heard this evening. Right? It will be back on the agenda November 20th. All the other ones are in order and that's the way I'm going to take
them off the agenda if you happen to pick if you happen to pick one up. The first matter up is 14-2025Z. It's Richard Torado. It's a R six zone. This is block 4000.13 lot 6, 29 Athens Avenue, South Amboy mailing address,
second floor edition. And this is for a revote. Councelor, could you give me an explanation on that? >> Certainly, Mr. Chairman. So, this is a unique um situation where I'm actually going to ask the board to make a motion to reopen the public hearing. At the last hearing, the board may recall the applicant had applied the applicant had
applied for a uh density variance where on the initial review letter it was approximately 56.4% where 35% was permitted. During the hearing, it was determined that a 39% density variance was required. However, thereafter it was realized that that calculation was
incorrect and in fact the correct calculation was 46%. So there was a mutual mistake which does warrant the justification of reopening the public hearing so that the board can appropriately address the variance requested in the amount of 46% as opposed to 39% as previously approved.
So I would ask for a motion to reopen the public hearing. >> All right, I'll make such a motion to uh open up the hearing. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call on that. >> Miss Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes.
>> Mr. O. >> Yes. Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. Mr. Toado, uh, basically what the attorney just told us, I guess, is is fact. I don't know how it happened, but I guess these things do occur. Is that
correct, and that's why you're here this evening? >> Mr. Sant. >> Uh, thank you, chairman, board members. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions. Uh, and that would probably be an explanation. Has anything changed in the plans from the last public
hearing until now? Uh is the floor area that was proposed of the construction is it the same? Does it change the imperous coverage which means that um where there was
landscape area you constructing anything new? >> No. Uh so just to offer an explanation is actually a technicality or a mathematical error. Um when uh because Denny and I were trying to figure out
the floor area ratio but after the meeting we reached out to the applicant's architect to just get the accurate calculation and it turns out that the board had voted on the F of.39 whereas the actual number is 46. Nothing
has changed in the building. The proposed addition is the same. I had testified as well as Mr. Toado that there are other homes in the neighborhood that have the same scale and size. His old home is an older home
that has not gone through an upgrade. What he's seeking for is not uh out of character from the neighborhood. So um I just it's unfortunate that he had to come back and that is why I made myself available so that I can explain to the
board that it's not something that has significantly changed. >> Right. And and I understand that your comments by the way you you were still under oath from the previous. So your comments are part of the record part of your statement is nothing has changed. Nothing's going to change other than what was represented and I believe Miss
Sant has explained that before. Does anybody have any questions on this? I can start on my left. >> Mr. Rizel, >> Vice Chair, >> Mrs. Andrews, and it's testing none. >> Councelor, >> thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time,
um, there is an application before the board seeking a D4 variance relief for density of 46% proposed where 35% is permitted. >> I do have to go to the public on this matter as as in every application, and I'm going to open up to the public. This is 14-2025Z.
Physical location on this matter is 29 Athens Avenue. There's anyone here in the room tonight that wants to be heard on this matter, please raise your hand or stand. This will be the only part of the public portion this evening. I see none. I'm going to close the public portion. Councelor,
>> thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, before the board is an application for B for use variance relief in the form of a density where 46% is proposed, but 35% is permitted. >> Thank you, councelor. Board members, this would be uh I guess an error that uh fortunately was caught. Uh it will
now be 046 on the F versus 39. >> Anyone in favor of moving this application? >> Test and miss Tavery. Second >> catch up over that was pretty quick, right? >> Bing bing.
>> Mrs. Andrew, >> slow them down for all call please. >> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. Miss Spinelli. Yes. >> Miss Testaverdie. >> Yes. >> Chairman Sullivan. >> Yeah. I'm sorry you had to come back again, but my my vote is certainly yes. It's a was an error I guess
>> perhaps on both of ours or but it really doesn't matter. It's not settled. >> Thanks for appearing. >> Thank you so much. >> The resolution will be again at the next meeting, right? November 20. Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Trump.
>> Okay. Moving on. 25-205Z. It's Muhammad Sahan. Uh this is block 1065 lot 277.11 R5 zone medium high density uh density residential.
>> Physical location here is 277 Greenwood Drive. That's keyboard mailing address here in the township. Uh shed gazebo and pool require C variance. applicant is uh proposing to legitimize a shed, gazebo, and above ground pool that was uh
installed by the previous owner. >> Mr. Attorney is going to swear you in. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, nothing but the truth to help you God? >> I do. >> Please state your name and spell your last for the record. >> Sorry. >> State your name and spell your last for the record.
>> Muhammad Sarhan. It's M O H A M E D. Uh Saran. S A R H A N. >> And you're the owner of the property? >> Yes. >> Back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, Mr. S. Like I explained, we just want tell us what happened. I mean, I'm assuming you bought the house this way. Why don't you start there?
>> Yes. Uh I bought the house last year and uh >> 2024. >> Uh 2020. Yes, 2024. >> Okay. >> And uh I'm sorry. Um I'm sorry because it's like my first time here like Yeah.
So um um like I moved on with my family like I have like my family I have two little kids and when I bought the house like I didn't know that's like the they have like the ched and pool and the gazebo the previous owner he put them but without the permit so I didn't know
anything about that. So um u like later on like when I was living like I received like the the letter from the planning that's like they are saying that this will have to be filed >> and you're here to try and rectify that right legitimize it. >> Yes. >> You didn't add that pool the shed or the
uh the what was the other part? The >> gazebo. >> Yeah, the gazebo. No, >> they were all there when you >> uh let me go to Mr. Holly. >> Thank you chairman. Um so couple different items here on this
application. I don't believe the patio was mentioned but the patio will come into play. Um so the variances that are being requested um for the 10x8 shed in the top left of the page. Um there is a twoft setback to the rear yard property line and then a
twoft setback to the sideyard property line. So those are two C variances that are needed for that 10x8 shed. the gazebo which is a 10 by12 gazebo and the in I believe it's a semi-ing ground pool. >> Uh it's above >> above ground
>> above ground. Okay. So the 10 x 12 gazebo and the above ground pool that are page right are both located in a designated front yard. He does front highway 35 to page right. So there are two C variances required uh for those
two structures in a front yard. As it pertains to the gazebo, um the rear yard set back to uh page north um is two feet where three feet is required. So that's an additional variance required there.
Um another variance that's required is for the patio that is highlighted in yellow. Um and that goes to the rear yard property line page north. So that's a zero foot setback where 3 ft is required. Um and then the last variance
that is required is a minimum landscape area ratio variance. Um what currently exists is 42.03% where 45% is required. >> That's it. >> Uh that's all I found.
>> Hold on. Hold on. >> Do you need me to recap? Well, I just want to know how many I know we have the patio, the shed, >> the um >> gazebo. >> The gazebo, the um read my writing.
>> Two, what' you say? Two foot where three required is the what? >> I'll go through them one more time. So, the 10 by8 shed in the top left. >> Got that? >> Um two C variances related one two rear yard setback two foot where three foot is required. um sideyard setback
existing two feet where three feet is required. The gazebo 10 by 12 has a two-foot rear yard setback where 3 ft is required and is an accessory building in a front yard where it's not permitted. So two variances there.
Uh the pool um is an accessory structure in a front yard. um the patio to the rear yard property line is zero feet where 3 ft is required and then the last one being the minimum landscape area ratio which exists at
42.03% where 45% minimum is required. >> Did I lose you? >> The total is >> one two four >> seven. There's seven C's, right?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Vora, do you have them? >> I got it. Mr. Chairman, >> we'll get to voting. I want to make sure we have everything included so we don't have any problem moving forward. All of this
was done prior to you. You haven't done any of this. And do you know any of that when any of that was done? Did the homeowner leave you any information? He didn't give me any information about >> so through a realer I guess. >> Yes, >> I can provide some testimony to when and
the structures came in. >> Okay. >> Um so looking at near map aerial imagery, the gazebo in page top right um came in around July of 2022. Um the pool and the patio and the shed
came shortly after um around October of 2022. Um there was at one point where the gazebo uh page top right was removed and then kind of reinstalled. Um the removal date, give me one sec,
was around June 18th of 2024 and then it was reinstalled around October 20th of 2024. >> And when did you buy the house? I bought the house like we moved in in uh last of October 2024.
>> But all of that had moved before you moved in. None of this was done by you. >> No. >> Does that sound good? Everything you've told me so far? >> Yes. >> Board members on my left. Any questions? >> Nope. All right.
>> Danny, you don't have an exact date for the gazebo in since he said he bought the house in October 2024. >> Exact date? No, the near map imagery is usually available every 3 months or so. So, it's I can guesstimate within 3 months.
>> Um, I'd like to take you at your word to say you didn't do it right. >> No questions on my right, Miss. Andrew, >> this variance is is for an above the ground pool. This does not would not cover if someone wanted to put an
ingground pool. They would have to get a new variance. Correct. No, not necessarily. Whether the pool is above ground or in ground, it is still an accessory building in a front yard. That variance wouldn't change whether the pool was inground or above ground. >> Thank you.
>> Anything counselor? >> Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. Anything else you want to tell us? >> I'm going to go to public portion. 25-2025 Z. The physical location is 277 Greenwood uh Drive. uh keep port mailing
address that's in within the township to legitimize um seven uh C variances for items that were left on your property I guess when you purchased it. Correct? >> Yes.
>> All right. Anyone here in the room want to be heard? Please raise your hand or stand. This is once again this will be the only time for a public portion on this matter. Anyone want to be heard? It's now or never. No one has uh
stood or raised their hand. So, I'll close the public portion. Any final comments, sir? >> No. >> You going to ask the board for a vote? >> Yes. >> Uh I know it's unfortunate at times we, you know, people do things uh I'm not blaming you, but unfortunately people do
things on their property and they don't take the time to to do it in a legitimate way. And a lot of the properties down in that area are kind of undersized lots. And I understand why people try and make the best out of their home for their families, you know, to have on-site entertainment or
recreation. So, I understand your situation and I'm glad you're here to legitimize that and I hope that the vote goes in your favor. >> Thank you. >> Can I take the Go ahead, C. Can I take him as a bulk the whole group? >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Chairman, may I just add one thing? Yes. >> Um, a question for the applicant. Should
the board act favorably, would you agree to get any construction permits that are required for the gazebo and the pool? >> Well, I thought that's automatic. >> That's why you're putting it on. >> Yes. >> You're going to have to file for all the permits that go along with that.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you'll have to do that by by the if we grant it, you'll get a resolution at the next meeting and the res resolution will state that you're going to have to >> come and get the permits for all those. >> Sure. >> Okay. You understand? >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> All right. >> To include to include that on the on the resolution. >> Favor of moving. M >> ISO. >> Is there a second? >> Testie. >> Roll call, please. Mr. Pill, >> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso,
>> yes. >> M. Spinelli? >> Yes. >> Miss Tivery? >> Yes. >> Chairman Sullivan? >> Yes. Uh the board has voted in favor and approved the matters, but you'd still have to come to the township and get you can probably contact the building or are you Mr. Allian? >> You can contact me.
>> I can I can help you. >> Okay. >> Thank you again, sir. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Thank you, sir. >> Welcome. >> All right. 30-2025Z Richard uh Leprad. Um I'm sorry. Uh Liberulo. Did I say that right?
>> Libero. >> Okay. >> Teacher get ready. >> Okay. Uh uh this R six zone. This is block 15513 lot 569. Physical locations 28 Buttonwood Drive Old Bridge seeking C variance. Applicant
proposes to replace an existing deck and landing. The new deck is uh proposed 1 uh one and a half foot I guess from the sideyard property line where seven minimums required and 1.5 from the rear yard property line where seven is required.
The improvements bring the total minimum uh landscape area ratio to 38.69. That's 2649 square foot where a minimum of 55% uh 41 thou 4,151 square foot is
required. >> You are Mr. uh Libero board attorney will swear you in. >> DJ's right hand. Do you swear or tell the truth nothing but the truth I help you God? >> I do. >> Please state your name and spell your last for the record. >> Uh Richard Liperillo. Uh, last name is L I P A R U L O. And
>> you're the owner of the property. >> Actually, my wife is. I just applied for the >> Understood. >> Does she want to testify as well or no? >> You if you want to speak, you can. We're just going to have to swear you in as well. And if you sit next to him, you can roll take that microphone, slide it
across, and push the button until it turns green. >> Okay. All right. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, nothing but the truth to help you gotten? >> Yes. >> Please say your name and spell your last for the record. >> Mary Thomas. T H O M A S. >> And you're the owner of the property? >> Yes. >> Okay. Back to you, Mr. Chairman.
>> Thank you. I've always found it better uh the board when the wife is with the husband, you should always let her speak. >> Normally works out in your favor. >> I'm just telling you the odds. I'll probably get the frying pan when I >> uh I read into the record what what's
happening and I want to know why you're here tonight. >> Well, we want to obtain the proper uh variance to get the check done as is. When we bought the property, um the lady that sold it to us uh didn't say anything that was it was put in illegally. >> And we just want to do things the right
way. I mean, it's our oasis. It's our spot where our family, you know, likes to get together. And it is a a train wreck right now. I went out to use the smoker this summer and I went right to the boards, one of the boards. It's
rotten. It's in bad shape. So, >> is this the deck you're talking about? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I've seen an overhead of of of your property and uh you kind of used everything that that was there. Or when did you buy that house?
>> Um the end of uh 2020. December. >> Okay. And all of that had already been >> Yes, sir. >> placed in there. >> I shoehorned a couple things in there, but it looks very nice actually from an overhead. >> Actually, it's it's when it's all done and it's it's beautiful, actually. Very
nice. >> Is if you're g you're going to replace the deck. >> Yes. >> I'm going to ask Mr. Hollahan some questions later, but anything you want to primarily tell us? >> No, I just >> should be plenty of time to talk, but >> No, I just, you know, just uh want to do the right way. That's all.
>> Mrs. liberal. Anything you want to tell us about it? >> No, we are just I mean we just want to replace what was already there cuz it's the boards are rotten. It's in terrible shape and we had no clue that it was put in without proper permits. >> From a safety point, I'm sure you want
that done, too. >> Oh, yeah. >> Cuz it's a little elevated it looks right. >> Yeah. Like the dog likes to run in there and like you know, you know how dogs are. They don't watch where they go. So, >> I'm going to go to Mr. Holly. We'll see what what's going on. >> Okay. >> Mr. Holly. Thank you, chairman. Um, yes,
so the applicant is here tonight seeking three different C variances. Um, so they are replacing what has been an existing deck with a new deck. Um, the deck is proposed 1.5 ft from the sideyard property line where 7 ft minimum is
required. Um, as well as 1.5 ft from the rear yard property line where 7 ft minimum is required. Um, they are also requesting a landscape area ratio variance. Um the minimum landscape area ratio is 38.69%
where a minimum of 55% is required. >> Okay. I'm going to ask the question. I don't know how long the deck is, but he couldn't legitimize that by by shortening it. Correct. In the repair. >> In other words, if you put it at seven,
is there going to be any deck left? So, the length of the deck from about the house to the rear property line is approximately 28 feet or so. >> And it's 1.5 off the line, right? >> Yes.
>> But I'm saying if he I'm assuming if he >> lessened the width, you would still have to go five and a half feet, right? >> Correct. You'd have to bring it. So from page right five and a half ft in and then from >> so we lose a lot a lot of the what's do
you know what the width is without >> I I want to say like 24 feet uh that's as a guess >> the width at page um page north >> is about 19 ft >> okay >> and then the width at page south
is about 24 feet >> okay what's next to the deck behind it. In other words, to the the >> You're going this way. Is there a railing? >> If you look at that >> where the red is is the deck, correct? >> Yes.
>> Behind it to the right. That's someone else's property, right? Yes. >> Is there a fence there? >> Yes. >> Is it sixoot fence or >> It's Yeah. You can't even see over it. >> Um, >> do your neighbors ever complain about your >> No. >> Usage of the property?
>> No. Would it be a great expense to shorten it? I mean, you're going to you're putting in a new deck and I want you to enjoy it, but at the same time, if we could minimize or >> I mean, I don't know what we would do with the rest of the room. I mean,
>> all right. It was just just a just a thought. That's what I'm I'm wondering how wide wide it was. Uh, let me see if anybody on the board has any questions. I'll start. >> Is this the same size as it was before? >> Yes.
>> Are you going back in with wood or concrete? >> Well, there's concrete on the on the right now on the side closest to the house and it's only a like small slab that goes from the stairs to the fence
and then the rest is all deck. >> Okay. Miss Benelli, just to clarify on page left where it says a proposed area of replacing the concrete pool decking, that's a writing from a previous zoning permit when the previous homeowner um or
no, I think when you guys came in 2021 to replace that decking. So, the only um item part of this application is the deck highlight in red. >> Okay. Okay. Yep. You >> see the fence on the back of your property, too. I don't know if that's
yours or the neighbors. It's a complete >> there's actually a fence and then there's a I guess a gap and there's another fence for people behind us. >> So making it any less wide isn't going to really do much either way, right? Because five and a half foot is really
going to diminish the whole >> Yeah. >> size of it. >> All right. Any questions, Mr. Russo? >> No, vice chair. >> Yeah, I personally think a deck is luxury and you know, six feet and we're at 1.5
It could still be made smaller. >> That's my theory. I mean, and then we're sticking with the variance of what you know, our setbacks have to be. >> That is true. Um >> Cameron, I do I do have a question for the applicant. >> The existing deck, do you know the
height of it measured from grade to the top of the walking surface? >> Um you mean from the ground underneath it? It's maybe a foot. >> Okay. And >> that's where I think a lot of the rotten rotting came from. It was so close. >> And the new deck would be the same height about a foot downrade.
>> And I believe put uh some drainage in there. >> Okay. >> Make it, you know, we're >> so I think just my opinion, I think the concern of the setbacks of decks increasing with the height is really for privacy issues. >> Just keep in mind that this is
essentially a ground level deck. So, >> Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. >> The two my two neighbors have uh decks that are above our fence line, so we're never out. >> We're only dealing with yours, though. But I know yours. No, that's a good thing that yours is low, right? >> Is what he's saying. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah.
>> It's not interfering with with the >> If the deck was any less than a foot off the ground, the setback would actually be three feet because then we we treat it as a raised patio rather than a deck. >> Uh well, you're under oath. You said you didn't do this. This was this is the way you got it. And now you're just trying
to >> Okay. >> Yeah, the deck has existed till pre204. >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Testy. Anything? >> Okay. And Miss Mrs. Andrew, you said nothing, counselor?
>> Nothing, Mr. Chairman. >> All right. Uh, anything else you want to tell me? >> No, absolutely. >> Are you going to keep it at the one foot off the ground? >> Absolutely. >> And you're going to use what kind of material then so it doesn't rot again? It's um that uh I guess >> Drex or one of those type of a >> Yeah, it's
>> the good stuff. They said that uh I'll it'll outlive me. >> Yeah, it's like guaranteed for >> funny way to look at things, but yeah, >> they said well 50 40 or 50 year. They said, well, okay, >> I'll die and it'll still be there. >> Well, you won't have to come back here then. At least I won't be here for sure. I can tell you that.
>> Okay. >> All right. Thank you for your uh your candidness. I'm going to go to a public portion on this. Okay. >> Sure. >> All right. This is uh 28 buttonwood drive. This is 30-2025Z. This is uh the owners here looking to uh
legitimize uh the and repair the deck that has uh that is presently there uh violating setback. Anyone here in this courtroom is wish to be heard, please raise your hand or stand. Still nobody. I'm going to close the
public portion. Final comments. That's it, sister. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, you've you've used this since you moved in. You've enjoyed this property. You've had no >> Maybe one year. >> Well, I'm just saying you've enjoyed the property. No complaints from your neighbors. You respect your neighbors.
>> You You're a little close to the line is is the problem here. But fortunately, it is ground level. You're going to not change it in any way. >> Can't make it any bigger. >> Oh, no. Okay. >> No, sir. And understanding that um wants to call for a vote here.
>> Sure. Anyone interested in councelor this is going to be >> landscape area ratio uh and two sides on the deck >> side and rear. Yes, Mr. Chairman be 1.5 setback where 7 ft is required. >> And this would be I guess uh C1
>> it's kind of a >> it would be a C2 variant. >> C2 for the hardship. >> Correct. No. C2 for the benefits out outweighing the negatives. >> Okay, everyone understand? Anyone in favor of moving this for approval? >> Test. >> Is there a second? Is >> moved and second. Roll call, please.
>> Mrs. Andrews, >> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan. >> Yeah. Thank you for your honesty. I know you got a nice looking place there for what I can see and an over overview which we we look at to you know try and
understand what what people are doing. Uh it's great that you have that family entertainment there and anything you do for the home >> great neighborhood everything >> stay here in Old Bridge. It makes makes your investment stronger makes the community stronger. So my vote is yes. >> I got I was right down the street. I get all the what I want there.
>> Perfect. I I go there too. >> I like to eat that. >> All right. Resolution at the next meeting. You've been approved. >> Thank you so much. appreciate you. >> Thank you for coming in. >> Great. God bless. >> I told I told you it was a good idea to have your wife. >> Scared, but >> you'd be scared if we said no when you
walked out. >> Have a good night. >> Have a great night. >> All right. Enjoy the upcoming holidays. >> Thank you. >> All right. This is uh let's see. Next one. 2020. Uh why would they say 33? 33- Okay. I thought it goes in there.
33-2025Z. Brad Bar Nichols. This is uh 43 Kryon Circle. This is block 15562 lot 25. Uh C variance. Applicant proposes a ground mounted solar array. The array is
proposed zero foot from the rear property line where 10 minimums require. >> Good evening, >> Mr. Nichols. >> Attorney will swear you in. Please raise your >> right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, nothing but the truth to help you God? Yes. Please state your name and spell your last for the record.
>> Brad Nichols. N I C K L E S. >> You're the owner of the And you're the owner of the property. >> Yes. >> Back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. You've had the opportunity to see others in front of you. So, yep. You can begin. Tell us what's uh going on or what you want to do. >> So, uh I applied to the utility for
interconnection. I was approved. >> I it was installed. I didn't realize I needed all, you know, zoning permits. I had everything submitted and yeah, I'm here hopefully to get approval for
the solar ground mounted array. >> Okay. Um it's behind a fence. It's like six inches from the back. It's on a hill, so I'm able to utilize, you know, my hill, get sun. >> I guess there's two parts to it, right? There's something goes on a looks like
on a shed and something on a >> Yes. Okay. >> No, there's three. He's got it on the shed. He's got it on the zero property line. And he's got another bunch there. The other little >> There's a smaller group, bigger group in the shed. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Shed. >> Yep. One, two, three. Yeah.
>> Okay. Let me go to the uh town of zoning officer. Mr. Helen. >> Thank you, chairman. So, something I don't think the board has seen before yet. >> I I um >> we saw one solar panel array and that was on 35. >> Yeah. So, the applicant is proposing a
solar array system. There are three different groups of arrays. Um page left there is one it's kind of fainted so it's hard to see but there's a proposed array on top of the shed that is not part of this application that does not need any variances. There is PV array
one to page right um which meets the rear and sideyard setback that is not part of this application. It doesn't require variance. Um the one that is part of this application that requires a rear yard variance is PV array 2. Uh the square footage of that system is 267
uh.75 square feet. Um in residential zones is the R six. Any structures greater than 150 square ft have to be set back 10 ft off the rear yard property line. So the array is proposed and as the applicant testified existing
at 0 feet from the rear yard property line where 10 feet is required. >> There's also a fence around the whole property. >> No, I understand that. Um, why would you put it at right at the lot line? >> I know there's the hill is what?
>> That's where like the hill is on the back of the property. So, I was trying to utilize the hill so the angle is, you know, proper for the panels. It's It's like a 33°ree hill, which actually is like the perfect angle
to capture the sun. Well, I guess the angle can always be changed depending on the height. >> Uh, >> yes. I mean, you could I guess you have to like >> Well, the reason we say that is because >> when when issues occur on the lot line.
>> So, you think of the invisible line between your lot and the lot, in this case, behind you, but >> um the person on this side of that invisible line owns the property and you're on this side. So, when you're at zero,
uh, there's almost that opportunity that you may cross the line, but in this case, I guess there's a fence there, right? I don't know who's is the fence on you. Is that his fence? >> Uh, I actually had it installed right when I first bought the house. >> So, I'm guess so I'm guessing the fence is probably is on the wrong side of the
lot line. >> I mean, I had they did a survey and car >> potentially. I mean, it's it's hard to say um because the survey that you have in front of you doesn't indicate the fence location. So, it could be on the
line. It could be potentially on the applicants property. It could potentially be on the neighbor to >> zero. >> Correct. >> Is this previously like a chain fence? >> I get it. I get it. That's just a
separate issue. But what I'm what I'm hoping you would probably agree to do is move it a little off. So if there comes a time when the owner either behind you sells or you sell, there's going to be a clear title because someone's going to
say, "Hey, that's on my property." So whether it be the fence or whether it be the array, somebody's going to say, >> "Not my problem, his problem." when I like get fence company Carl's for instance and >> I'm not worried about the fence right
now. What I'm saying is something if you're at zero on the lot line your fence may be over. We're not here for that right now. What I'm saying is to prevent a future problem. You may want to just move that array in a bit. Maybe
five foot. So you would have >> It would be very tricky. Five feet. >> Is it been built? >> Yes. Oh, it's already there. Yes, we didn't know that. >> I didn't know that either. >> I didn't know that either. >> Yeah. Um, see, this is the problem.
Councelor, would you could you explain the we we spoke about the what what the a zero lot line means, but this could be tricky for property rights. >> I would just assume if it's on my side of the fence. >> So, it's not so much that it's whether
it's on your side of the fence. When something's designed and proposed at on the zero foot setback, the chances for it going one inch over the property line are so significant because when you're digging the shovel, you don't have a laser lining the property line the
entire time. So if you go to sell the house tomorrow, somebody gets a mortgage, that mortgage wants a survey. Survey goes out there, they take their laser, and lo and behold, the left corner of that array is on their property. You're never selling the house. So that's the issue with the
impact on your title that this is going to create. So >> like a foot would be possible, but >> yeah, five feet would be very difficult >> because the alternative if the board was voted to deny your application, you'd have to rip it up anyways.
>> Correct. Let me just see what the board board has some comments. Okay, I've made mine. Let me just see what's going this you know, Mr. So this is already built. >> When I apply for interconnection, the utility sends you like a email and it
says like permission for construction permission. >> Yeah, it was. >> So this hasn't been permitted either. >> I filed for all like the >> No, the application was denied on July
11th, 2025. I'm not Can you testify to when the panels were installed? >> I want to say like end of April. >> Okay. So, before the application was filed. >> Yes. I mean, I didn't know I have to
file to get zoning and everything. I filed, you know, >> sent the stuff to the utility. The utility wrote back, you know, I'm approved for interconnection, uh, pending, you know, like approved for construction, pending once everything's done, yada yada. When I sent them the documentation, like everything was done,
they asked for a certificate of approval. Then that's when this whole rabbit hole started. >> So, who who erected who erected the the >> I did I I'm an electrical engineer. I work from home. I like obviously I'm on my computers all the time. So, my
electric bill is high. I use a lot of electric. >> How many >> I don't think anybody's speaking against the concept. We're worried we're worried about the the physical location. >> Go ahead. >> How many panels is this? Does it consist of?
>> It's I mean just on the back one that's being discussed or all >> all of them. >> It's got to be like 30 I don't >> 35 something. >> Any feedback from your neighbors? Like cuz they're second floor they look out their window.
>> They're my neighbors they're all fine. I mean, they asked me like, "Has it working well?" Like, yeah, no complaints. No, >> aesthetically, you know, >> you you can't see it. It's in the back of the hill behind like probably below the fence here. It's was way below.
>> All right. Why don't you put it on your roof? Why didn't you put it on your roof? >> When I bought the house in 23, it was somebody just put a brand new roof on. And I read and hear negative things from people, you know, getting on your roof, they install the solar, then you have a
leak and then it's a whole spiral effect with a brand new roof. I didn't want to even go down that avenue. >> Okay. So, I'm going to be the bad guy. You're an electrical engineer. You don't get permits when you're doing your other work that you wouldn't have thought you had to come to the town.
>> No, I I do like the BIM design and 3D, the drawings. I run the conduit. Submit it. >> You submit it to who? >> The project manager. >> Okay. And what do you think the project manager does with them? >> I mean, he submits it to the engineer of record. You know, >> Mr. Nichols, what I'm looking out for
here is not only your property rights, but the other person's property rights. Understood. And I and if this role were reversed here and you were on block 25 instead of whatever whatever your lot limit is and this was on your property and you were trying to sell and
>> I would >> they're telling you hey you you're that that fence is on your property. >> I would have no problem getting a survey and having >> I understand and I the other part is that the board can't grant something on the lot line. I mean, is a foot accept
is a foot acceptable or no? >> Just to answer the chairman's question so the record's clear, the answer is yes. That's correct. You can't grant something on the lot line because that is technically joint property, but it could be off the property line by an inch. Like that's where the board's
jurisdiction finally at. >> Thank you, council. >> Zoom. What it should be? >> Is this a certified survey? 10 feet. >> This is a drawing from the solar company, not a certified survey. >> You have you have a survey for your home?
>> I do. Yep. There you go. >> You do, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. You have Do we have it >> right there? >> Can you scroll down to when this to get the title block? >> The survey was done 1212022. When did
you say you installed the fence? Uh, the fence was installed December of 23. >> Okay. >> I was when I bought the house, they allowed me to use the previous owner's survey because they just got it done >> is what they told me. It would save me money. >> Moren, can you zoom in to the rear yard
property line one bottom of the page? >> It even says chain link fence. >> Is your neighbor's chain link fence still existing? uh when they inst I don't know if it's theirs or mine but when it's installed they had difficulty kind of ripping it
up so they put it in front of it. So, your fence was installed in front of the chain link fence, >> correct? >> Right in front of it, roughly. >> I would say not right in front, maybe six inches in front because >> Okay.
>> The chain fence that we're looking at on the on the uh >> is Yeah. >> south if we look at the bottom of the picture. Well, it's not south, west. >> Um you're saying that that's your fence? >> I'm not sure if it's my fence. I I was
told it it was I was told it was >> look at the if you look at the survey >> saying the line you're saying >> we're outside the light way >> it's I I mean I don't have an exact measurement but it was far enough away where they could dig a hole and put a five gallon bucket for you know concrete
to hold the post. In all honesty, I the board has to follow legal restrictions and unless council is going to tell me we should vote on this, I'm going to ask for a little bit more information. Okay? >> And I want to clarify this for your
rights and for the property owner who would directly next to you. >> So I would ask if you would like to get a continuence, you can ask us for a continuence. I don't think you want to take a vote tonight because if you force me to take a vote, I'm afraid it's probably not going to go in your favor.
We can't vote on something that is zero. >> Okay. >> So, >> okay. >> Even if those even if that array moves slightly, it's got to come off the lot line. >> Fair enough. I If I make the adjustments, how would I present that
back to you so you have the information you need? >> You're going to have to present that information to the township. I guess I do want to make >> he's going to have to have it served. >> I do want to make one comment. So, just to be clear,
this this chain link fence that was in there in 2022, to your knowledge, has that neighbor moved this chain link fence? Is this chain link fence still existing? >> I can't see it. >> Okay. When you put up your vinyl fence,
was this chain link there? >> Yes. >> Okay. based on that and him saying that he put the the fence within 6 in that chain link fence is 2 feet onto his property onto his neighbor's property.
>> So if he put his fence 6 ft in from that that means his fence is a foot and a half over onto his neighboring property that's where my concern would be. And if the array was up against the fence, he's at least a foot over potentially.
>> And that takes away our jurisdiction is what I'm saying. We don't have jurisdiction to act on that. Am I correct, C? >> That's correct. Mr. Chairman, >> so I think we're going to have to do a little bit more work before we can actually either vote for or against. But
>> chairman, I would offer maybe two options. Morin, can you go back to that solar plan? >> Sure. Option number one would be should the applicant kind of disagree with what I think and goes and gets a survey that shows that array, we can have a
conversation about that. If it's off the property line, great. We can proceed. If it's not, we have to figure out something else to do. The other option I would think, and Mr. Nichols, let me know what you think. the array on the property line here. Would it be possible
to relocate this on it on this side and keep this array here but relocate these panels here? >> Possibly for sure. I I mean I would first I would get the survey done to see
>> like I would be shocked if the survey said they were not on my property. >> Okay. >> But that's Yeah, for sure. My next >> I think it would be >> you're a man schooled in finite measurements. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> As a mechanical engineer.
>> Electrical engineer. >> Electrical engineer. So it's still finite. >> And again I don't know that the board has the jurisdiction to do that unless we have proof positive that we do. >> Understood. >> We can't do something that is legal. Correct. We can't do something against our council's advice. >> I I have no objections.
>> All right. So why don't you speak with Mr. Holland. Again, uh if you understood what he said tonight, maybe you'd move that other panel, >> get a look at a survey to see where your property ends >> and whether that fence is yours or not. There's two fences, in other words,
right? Yours and >> correct. >> Okay. >> And get that settled uh before there's a property issue >> where somebody tries to sell and you're only going to have to do this under under the gun when you're trying to trying to move a house. >> Mr. Chair, my only suggestion I would
make that in the event the board was inclined to grant a continuous that a date be set and carried so the applicant wouldn't be required to renotice. Um that would and I know surveys are about 45 days out. Um so if he went tomorrow, he would about 45 days to get one. So
just in the event that the board was inclined to grant the continuence, >> u you're going to ask for a continuence. You can settle this by course. Uh would anybody be opposed to a continuence just by voice vote? No. >> Uh, we think that's in your best interest to do. >> Thank you.
>> Can we schedule it into the new year? >> I can actually put them on for December 18th if but if that's too soon. >> We could put it on and then if you don't have it, you have to notify. >> Okay. >> Notify Miss Fchelli and it'll be be carried. >> Fair enough. >> But there wouldn't be What the council
has said is you won't have to renotify. >> Yeah. Which I don't have to send all the certified letters to all the Correct. So this is we're trying to protect you and again we may not have jurisdiction unless it's proper. So >> understood. >> All right. >> Yep. >> So uh we thank you. We'll put it down for December. Would you say 18?
>> Is that with notice? >> No notice. >> No notice. No further notice. Noice. Yes. Uh 1218. >> Is that okay, Mr. Nichols? >> That is okay. >> All right. Well, thank you for appearing. This matter uh is uh 33 2025Z
43raton circle. This is for ground uh ground mounted solar array. This matter is going to be continued December 18th. No further notice >> and I would send when I get the survey done and everything. >> Speak to Mr. Paul. Okay, good to go. >> Thank you for appearing, sir. >> Thank you for your time. Thank you.
>> Have a good evening. >> Good evening. >> 34-2025Z Nicole uh Canisio. This is block 15550, lot 173. physical
locations to Lois Street, Old Bridge. This is seeking a C variance for a shed. The applicant propos proposes to legitimize a shed that was installed by the previous owner. Miss Kisio, >> yes. >> Attorney, swear you in. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, nothing but the truth to help you God?
>> Yes. >> Please state your name and spell your last for the record. >> Nicole Canio. C N I Z I O. >> And you're the owner of the property? >> Yes. >> Back to you, Mr. Chairman. you've had the opportunity to see three or four be in front of you, so go right ahead whenever you're ready.
>> So, basically, in the situation of most of them, we bought the property in 2019 with the shed on the property. Uh, we were not notified that it was not permitted. Uh, we recently put an ingground pool in and got all the
necessary permits. Um, unfortunately, we were notified that the shed was not um in an allotted space for the property since it's on the front yard of the property. Um, so I'm here tonight to ask if we can leave that shed in place
because unfortunately there is nowhere left on the property to relocate it. Um, and we have all of our belongings in there. So that's why I'm here. >> Okay. Because you're a quarter lot. >> We're a quarter lot. We have no attic. We are on a small space. So,
>> okay, let me ask Mr. Hollahan uh explain to us what's got me done. >> Common theme tonight. Um, yeah. So, yeah, this is a shed. I had reviewed the pool. Um, I had approved the pool. I did make a comment on my approval that, you know, I did some research on the shed. I
did not see a permit for it. I did note that it was in a required front yard, which requires a variance. Um, I will say that most applicants would just take that, build their pool, and wouldn't hear anything from them. Um, this applicant has done what they need to do to file the application to legitimize
that shed. Um, that shed's been there at least since 2015. Um, I would lean to agree with the applicant that really there is nowhere else to put it. Um, anything on page right would be in a front yard. You have the pool there. You
have pavers. You have a concrete patio on the top left. There's really no other room. Um, I do have one question. Do you know approximately the height of the shed? >> I mean, I could stand in it. >> Okay. From uh Thomas Street, can you see
the shed over the fence? >> No. >> No. Okay, that's all I have. >> I mean, I've seen a picture I've seen pictures of the home and and and where it looks like it blends nicely. The roofs blend nicely. >> There we go. Okay, there you go. So, they're probably
about uh nine foot high. It's probably an eight foot entrance way and maybe what is the peak? Another three foot. >> The east section. Say that one more time. >> I say she has a picture there. So, you asked about the height. I'm saying it's probably a >> like it's the height of the door.
>> Six foot there. Well, then the peak and maybe feet. >> Yeah. Um go and see if the >> chairman just one thing along Thomas Street the applicant does have pretty large arbory trees that would block
>> you saw that as well. It's almost hard to see the that unless you see an overview and I know on the right hand side of your property going down there's nobody to see it and there's our vites the rear of the property. >> Yes. >> And it's hard to see from the front of the property as well. >> Yes.
>> All right. Let's see how the other board members feel. >> Nothing. >> Vice Chair Andrews. >> Council, >> just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, you're requesting variance relief pursuant to the C2 criteria under the statute.
>> Yes. >> And that's because the benefits associated with the variance relief substantially outweigh any detrimental impacts? >> Yes. >> And the variance relief, if granted, would be in conformance with the neighborhood scheme? >> Yes. >> Back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. Uh, so the board understands why and uh what you need. You need a C2
variance. Uh, I agree with Mr. Hollahan. It will be hard to place it anywhere else in your property. It's been there. It's rather unnoticeable to be honest. Uh, from the street from
view from either side. I would tend to agree that prior to you, you had nothing to do with it. And it was nice of you to come in here and try and legitimize that shed. I do have to go to a public portion on this matter. You've heard those before, right?
34-2025Z physical location to Lewis Street here in Oldbridge for a legitimizing a shed which actually sits in the front yard on a corner corner lot of two front yards. >> Anyone wants to be heard on this matter,
please stand and raise your hand. You're the last two in the room and I know who you are. So, I'm going to close the public portion. No one else is here in the courtroom this evening other than the next applicant. Um, this would be for C2 variance. Anything else you want to tell me? Would
you ask, would you like me to ask for a vote from the board? >> Sure. >> Okay. Any questions before we ask for a vote? Seeing none, this is C2 hardship, >> correct? >> It is a C it is a flexible seat with the benefits out um outweighing the
detriments. >> Thank you. say that so nicely. >> Someone went in favor of moving this for approval for C2. ISO. >> Is there a second? >> Andrews. >> Second. Roll call, please, for approval. >> Mrs. Andrews,
>> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. >> Mr. Iso, >> yes. >> Miss Spanelli, >> yes. >> Mr. Estie, >> yes. >> Chairman Sullivan, >> yes. You'll have a resolution by next meeting. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for coming in. >> Have a good night. Enjoy the holidays upcoming.
>> Thank you. >> And that's it. We're not going to have any more tonight. Oh. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, you've waited all night, isn't they? Uh 37-2025Z, Nicholas Francisco. Uh this is block 3230, lot 12.14, physical locations 291
Gordon Road for a pole barn. Applicant seeks to construct a 24 by32 pole barn to store the numerous uh nu numerous and large equipment required to maintain the large property. You would be Mr. Francisco and Mrs. Francisco.
>> Yes. >> Board attorney is going to swear you both in. Okay. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear? Affirm, tell the truth and nothing but the truth. I help you God. >> Yes. >> Please state your name very last. Starting with you, ma'am. >> Karen Francisco. F R C I S. >> You, sir. >> Nicholas Francisco. F R ancis.
>> You guys are the owners of the property. >> Yes. >> Back to you, Mr. Chairman. >> So, tell us. >> Okay. So, um we are seeking to build a structure that will be toward the back of the property. Um and we need
variances to to do this because one, it's too close to the property line. And I don't know if you can see it. It's probably pretty blurry, but the slope of the backyard, there's like a 9 foot
difference from where the house is back to the back area. And that's actually the only flat area of the yard that could um have a shed or or any kind of storage building. Um so that's where the location comes
in. And you can see the the back property line has a very strange >> angle >> angle. So it's actually the 25 on the one corner, but as the property, >> it's okay. It's my old laptop.
>> Angle um comes across then that's where we we meet that deficiency. >> You have a couple sheds back there now, right? >> They're gone. >> Oh, they're gone already. >> So, yeah, they were very dilapidated actually. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Oh, no. You're fine. >> Um
>> we want everyone watching at home to hear you. They were uh dilapidated and actually had been converted to like a chicken coupe and a a rabbit. >> Okay. >> Kind of thing. So th those are have been removed, but there it's in the same area where those two sheds were.
>> Um do you have fences running along your property line? >> Yes. >> Side to side? >> Yes. >> Front to Not obviously not front, but to to >> in the front there's a white vinyl. Um it's a ranch style house, so it it you can't see anything in our backyard. Plus
with the the slope, even when you're standing like at the house, it's such a slope that you can't even see the bottom of of the where the building would be. >> What's behind the back of your property? >> Cheesequake State Park. So, it's all trees. Nobody can see. Nobody can build
in there. >> No. >> And I I don't know. You said you had a lot of overhead images. Um I don't know if you guys looked, but >> your neighbor has a pole a pole barn set up, right? >> Our neighbor has a Yeah, quite a large. So these are the three homes.
>> Just for the record, we'll mark just for the record, we'll mark that as exhibit A1 over aerial photo. >> Okay. Um so this is our home. This is our neighbor. You can see there's a very large um building there. And then this is our other neighbor. And his is kind
of covered by trees, but he stores his boat and he has a shed that he keeps all of his lawn equipment and everything in. >> Would you be so kind as to give that to Miss Pchell? >> I actually made you all. >> Oh, you did? That's per that would perfect. >> I'm a teacher. >> You've been waiting all night to do this. Thank you.
>> So, there's just a few >> is your Let me see what your hand is. Just Hold on. The attorney has to see it first. >> He's going to approve it. >> Just everything's pre-marked as W. Wow. >> So, just for the record, the aerial photo is actually going to be marked as
exhibit E. And the packet itself is going to be marked as exhibit F >> with everything else being pre-marked. >> Is this okay? >> This is okay, Mr. Chair. >> All right, you can you can uh >> if you have a couple, one over there and one over here
>> and the attorney is probably he can see this one. Take a peek. >> Um >> took some pictures to show you like the neighbor's sense in the one picture. >> Yep. >> To show like the the steep slope and
then the other picture shows when you're looking at our neighbor's yard, you could see that that's the area that's flat. Okay. >> Just to give you like a visual area. >> Why don't you tell us about the size of what what you're going to use it for? >> So, I mean the the property is very large. So, we need like a tractor and a
snowb blower and all kinds of big lawn equipment. Um, >> where do you put them now? >> Well, >> we don't live there right now. Yeah. So, this is the home where my husband grew up and his dad just passed away and he inherited our >> sympathies. >> So, my my father-in-law paid people to do all that. He was 93.
>> So, he had, you know, people who did the lawn and >> So, you're recently moving in there. >> Yes. Yes. >> So, um yeah, he is he loves caring for the lawn and the yard and and we don't want those things out, you know, we want to beautify. I mean, our neighbors keep
their it is a park setting in this yard. >> Absolutely. Um it's absolutely beautiful and we just want to keep it that way. So all of that equipment like our there's no attic, there's no basement. So all of our decorations, holiday things, all of
our um >> I don't know what else you can name. >> Would you cons would you ever consider it to to be used for living space? >> No. Never. >> Were you planning on putting plumbing into it? >> No. >> No. >> You're planning on putting some electric, I assume, for light. >> Not at this point. Well, I mean, at some
point maybe we can run, but that it's 400 feet away from the house. >> So far away. >> Talk to the electrical engineer who would >> uh but in no way would you would would you consider turning that into living quarters, right? >> No. Okay.
>> No. No. >> Let me uh see how the board members feel before you tell me anything else. Right. Any questions at this point on my left? M >> the lean twos. Are they open? >> Yes. So, if you can see in the one picture, it kind of looks like a a pretty porch. We made it. We want it to
look like a really residential. Yeah. >> So, this would be the one lean to. And what about the one on the other side? >> So, yeah, it would be half the the width of the building and it would be for like tools and things like that, but that would be around the back. >> Um, just to keep them covered and out of sight, neat and organized. He's he's
very neat and organized. So, he wants storage for all his things. >> Actually, Dan, can I have the total footage with the lean two sides? >> Closed building? >> Yeah. 1,152 square feet. >> 1,152. Does that make it another principal
building? >> No, it's just an oversized accessory building. >> Okay. Any questions on my right? Everybody's got a chance to look at this. Did you see this? >> We have two letters in there, too, just so you know, from our two adjoining
neighbors that >> are totally in support and really excited. They think it's beautiful. >> They're the only people that would even be able to see it. >> Okay. >> All right. other variants there. >> So, the first variance would be the rear
yard setback where I just want to just so the board is clear on where the property line actually is. Um, this line here is the property line. This line here is a fence that
encroaches on Cheesequake State Park. So, the setback is measured here from this lean to to the property line. Um, so the variance is there requesting is that 10 foot rear yard setback where 25 ft is required. Um, a building square
footage of 1,152 square ft um where 600 is required. And then a building height of 19 ft and 1/2 in where 15 ft maximum is required. >> Height size and setback.
>> Yes. Is their property line uh delineated by a fence >> survey? No. So the fence is here. >> It's >> their property line is here. >> We took it off. >> We took it down.
>> It was rotting and we we took that fence down. We actually met with the park superintendent, too. We had him come over and show him like what we were doing because he had received notice. Um Yeah, that >> you really my father had that old fence there and he I don't know if he didn't
know he was on the park property or what, but that's like where it's level and then it becomes a big gully there. >> Obviously, you were here for the previous application. You know, where the property line ends is where your rights end. >> Yeah, totally. That's why we've already >> That's not going to be It's not It's not
going to Were the setback off that line, Dan? >> The setback is off of the property line here. any >> so the building would start here which is 10 ft from the property line here >> when we had planned it we thought the
fence was the property line >> that's why it was 25 ft and then we the survey came and we were like oh he did had a fence that wasn't on his property >> so he had the fence going square across we took it down it was rotting and ready
to be removed anyway and we're not putting it back in that >> you see any issues with it? >> They back up to about a thousand acres of Cheesequake State Park. >> I'm not worried about what they back up to, but can't you make the back lean to shorter just like you did the front one?
>> Well, that is the back one. >> The short one is the back one. >> Okay. >> Is that what is that what you mean? >> Yeah. >> It's like half, >> but you move it. I don't know whether I'm like miss where the square is right there. That's where you want the lean to
to the front of the building. >> There's a lean to on the front and there's a short lean to off the back. >> Right. The short lean to off the back. Can't you just move it and then you will be >> It still wouldn't be 25 ft. >> If you move it to the rear of the building, it would
>> No. Then it would be like what would it be? 17. >> This would be approximately 18 feet here. They would still require a variance if they shifted this lean two dor just if I can I think I'm understanding if they shifted this lean two to here
>> right >> this would be less than 25 >> right >> this would be less than 25 so they would require more variance relief if they moved it here than if they moved it here >> so what if they put it right in the middle
>> if they put it right in the They would still require the variance here. >> Yeah, depending on kind of where this gets situated here. >> Well, that's what I'm talking about. But it runs at an angle. I'm just I was I mean, you know, 15t is a lot.
Do you absolutely have to have the back lane, too? >> I I really do think it would help keep all of those tools in >> You have a what is it? 24x 32 foot closed building. >> What do you intend to put in there that you need all these leantos on each side?
>> The other the all the other equipment >> everything from our house also we have a walk up attic and a basement and now we have >> in our current home in >> now we have a crawl space and no no attic. We have no storage for anything. >> Yeah. So, it's it's going to be a
storage for offseason, everything, decorations, the summer when the lawn furniture has to go away, you know, for the winter, so it's not blowing around. It it'll be stored in there, all the lawn equipment, the snow blower, all that extra stuff for the large property.
>> Well, I don't know. I just think it's it's excessive. You're going high. So, you have height. So, are you going to have an upstairs to this? >> No, I just No, >> it's going to be open. You're not planning to put a second floor in there? >> No, it's not going to h What do you mean by that?
>> A stairs going up? No. >> Making it so that you have another attic on top of this? >> No. >> Because you're over the height, too, >> right? And that's just the roof pitch. So, they come 10 and 1/2 ft high, >> but the style of the residential look of
having the pitch is what is making it higher. the the interior like line of um you know >> like the walls. >> Well, the two pictures in there show the the style that we wanted the
equestrian style that makes it look nice compared to compared to the other picture >> that looks like a commercial a commercialized >> Yeah, like a commercial. The other one looks much prettier than than that. And that's the reason for the the roof. It's
>> just a much nicer residential look to have that pitch. If you don't have the pitch to meet the um specifications for the uh the variance, the roof would have to be that other pitch that you see. It's just it's very commercial. It's unattractive to
>> I understand. But to me, >> 24 by 32 when you do the square footage is pretty huge. You know, we're talking about >> take off the back lean, too. How about that? >> If then I'll agree. >> Okay. >> Go ahead, >> Mrs. Andrew. >> Yeah,
>> this does say it's >> I'm sorry. It does say it's easier access to the attic storage. So, there >> Yeah, but there is no attic storage built in the plans. If you look at the plans, we don't have that. >> Okay. So that there is no wall, there's no stairs, there's no floor, and there's
no there's nothing >> in the plans. >> As of now, there will be no electric in there. >> No, it's really hard to run electric that far down. We may eventually. >> It's a lot of wire. >> Good.
>> Anything else, Mrs. Andrew? Oh, I'm finished. I'm sorry. >> Oh, good. No, I thought you were reading something. >> No, >> take a break. Just test the verdict. Anything? >> Sorry. Nothing. >> All right. Uh, counselor, >> just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, you're seeking variance relief pursuant to the
C1 criteria under the statute. >> Yes. >> No, they'll still need it. It's a >> No, they'll need it for the height, the building size, as well as a rear yard setback. It'll be what did we say about 18 ft. >> Give them take, but we can address that during resolution compliance.
>> Yeah, give or take. It's on an angle, so I have to reme measure it. It could be less, could be a little more, but for now, we'll say 18. >> So, you are seeking C1 variance relief. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And the property is affected by an exceptional topographic condition by way of a 9 foot slope deviation
>> and the strict enforcement of the township zoning ordinances would create an undue hardship on you and you and prevent you from constructing this shed. >> Yes, >> that's all I got, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, councelor. Uh, final comments over here and I'm going to open up the public. None.
>> He's here. >> This is 37-20Z physical locations 291 Gordon Road. constructing a 22 uh 24 by 32 poleb bar. Obviously, there is no one here in the
courtroom. Uh but if there was, this would be the time to speak officially. I'm closing the public portion seems as no one is here. Final comments. >> Um no. >> Going to ask me for a vote. >> Yes. >> Bless you. >> Okay. >> Chairman, I do have one thing to add. >> Go right ahead. I just want to make
clear if the applicant is removing that rear lean too because that would affect the variance as for the building size. It would reduce it but >> Okay. So, we're taking off the rear yard. >> I have to take it off to get it approved. Then I'll take it off to have it approved. I I
>> Okay. You're putting that on the record, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. So the the square footage, just for the record, the square footage of the building without the rear yard lean to is 1,024 square ft. >> Okay.
>> Anybody else? All right. C2 >> C1 >> C1 this time. I'm sorry. I wasn't listening. C1 variance. Someone in favor of moving it. >> Test the verdy. >> Is there a second? >> Andrew. >> Mrs. Andrew second. Roll call, please. >> Mrs. Andrews,
>> yes. >> Miss Chevier, >> yes. With the rear removed, the rear lean tune removed. >> Mr. Iso, >> uh, yes. As illustrated, >> Miss Spinelli, >> yes, with the rear. >> Miss Testie, >> yes. Chairman Sullivan,
>> yes. I think you're trying to do uh something good for the property there. I obviously inherited this and uh want to keep that up. Uh probably going to coincide nicely with property next door, too. So my vote is yes, you'll have a resolution by next meeting. >> Thank you. >> Best of luck on your project.
>> Thank you. So just to be clear, we're removing it, right? >> That's that's what you put on >> I heard some people say yes with removing another >> what you put on the record >> is going it's has to be removed and then it's an approval for that and you'll get your >> Yes, that's what I just wanted to be sure because some people said different things. I wasn't sure what that meant
heard. Okay. May >> I asked did you are you just coming to the township from another location? >> Well, he grew up in the house. Oh, you grew up. He's coming back. >> Yeah. Okay. Welcome back. >> Thank you. >> Best of luck. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh happy holidays coming up. >> Thank you to you.
>> All right. Uh board members, nothing else on the agenda that I see. Uh there is no one here for any general public comments this evening. Councilor, anything you want to notify the board about? >> Nothing for me, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. There will be no meeting. Don't forget board uh on the 6th. We're going
to be on the >> 18th. >> November 20th. >> 20th will be our next meeting. November 20th. >> November 20th. Not next Thursday. All right. That still will be before Thanksgiving. >> Someone want to make a motion to adjurnn? >> Someone want to make a motion to
adjurnn? >> Let's stay. Let's >> Mrs. Andrews makes a motion. All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> Any opposed? We stand adjourned.