Good. >> Okay. Good evening everybody. I hope everyone is uh certainly enjoying our our uh Indian summer of late. In compliance with the open public's meeting law, notification of this meeting has been sent to our official
newspapers and other publications circulated in the bureau of old Japan and notice posted on the bulletin board at Burough Hall. Please be reminded that all of our meetings are video recorded and posted to our website within the next day or two. And please note the fire exits are at the rear of the council chambers and the door uh to my
left, your right as you entered this evening. Uh roll call, please. >> Mayor Gallagher >> here. Councilman >> here. >> Here >> Marty >> here. Councilman Yu >> here. Would you please rise and join me for a salute to the flag? I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Before we get to our presentation this evening, I'm just
going to just move a few things around. Uh kind of get them out of the way first. Uh so I want to go right to our uh staff appointment for Councilman Youth. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, at this time I'd like to
bring up the name of Mr. Sean Smith for the position of code enforcement officer. Mr. Smith will be um enforcing our new tree ordinance in town. >> Second. >> Second.
>> Any any conversation on this appointment? >> Qualifications. Uh Jim, >> yeah, >> remember the last guy you told us all about his qualifications? >> He he is a arborist. >> He enforces the tree ordinance in Cresco.
>> Well, there's a qualification. Yes. >> Okay. So, we have a um motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> Councilman Boyce, >> yes. >> Councilman Guantan, yes. >> Councilman, yes. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> All right. Let's move to our public hearing on ordinance 1284-25.
Also for Councilman Yu. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor resolution. Where is an ordinance entitled an ordinance to amend ordinance number 1279-25 an ordinance to fix the salaries wage and compensation of the officers and
employees of the burrow of Altapan County of Bergen State of New Jersey for the year 2025 was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 15th day of September 2025. Now therefore be resolved by the mayor
and council of the burough of Altapan, county of Bergen, state of New Jersey that said ordinance number 1284-25 be in the same is hereby adopted on second and final reading and be it finally resolved that the burough clerk is hereby authorized and directed to
publish the notice of adoption as required by law. And I this was the second reading. >> This was the second reading. Yes. Did you open it? >> I'd like to open the uh resolution up to the public for questions or comment. >> Second.
>> Okay. Uh all in favor? >> I. >> Does anyone from the public uh like to be heard on our amended 2025 salary ordinance? >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Uh roll call. >> Councilman Bag.
>> Yes. >> Councilman Boyce. Yes. >> Councilman Guantan. Yes. Councilman Martin. Yes. >> Councilman Yu. >> Yes. Okay, last but not least before our presentation, let's go to our consent resolution for Council President Voce. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a consent
resolution from the clerk's office. This resolution says, "Be resolved that the following resolutions placed on agenda by consent require no discussion and the same having been previously reviewed by each council person be and are hereby adopted in their entirety by the mayor
and council of the Burough Volant. Bills and claims. Release cash, bonds, and escrow. Authorized tax sale. Bid award cell tower use lease. Bid award curbs and sidewalks. Confirm code enforcement officer appointment. Cadet firefighter
Fulo. Amend employee handbook and personnel policies and procedures. Knock out opio opioid abuse. >> Second on that. >> Second. Any discussion on anything on our consent resolution tonight?
Seeing none, roll call, please. Council, >> yes. Councilman, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Councilman, yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, let's go back to uh we have a presentation tonight. Um I didn't get first names here. Um so, uh just before
you come up, just to um so we have uh representatives from the Animal Protection League want to speak to us. Uh I'm sure about deer. Okay. Uh and for those who uh maybe missed the last meeting is uh this council is in the process of evaluating what we feel is a
is a growing problem uh not only in Old Tapan but in in in the surrounding area as well. So uh we're on a factf finding mission uh to find out the best way to to address uh our our deer issues. So um uh last meeting we had a senior
biologist from D come in give a presentation um the points of that are available on online and tonight we have representatives from the animal protection league to uh perhaps give a different point of view. So if you please come up introduce yourself. Um
>> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes sir. >> If I may. Um I have some business to tend to. I don't want to be rude to you ladies, but I'll be back maybe in about 10 minutes. But please go ahead with the presentation. Okay. I just didn't want to seem rude. >> Very rude.
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>> Hi. Thank you so much um to the uh the mayor and the council for allowing us to present this evening. >> Yes. Uh my name is Doris Lynn. I'm legal director for Animal Protection League of New Jersey. Um, a little bit about my background. I have a degree in applied
biological sciences from MIT. I worked with the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection and the US EPA. Um, and then I went to law school and, uh, now I work for Animal Protection League of New Jersey. I'm also the author of the Wildlife Protection Chapter in the New Jersey Environmental
Law Handbook. Okay. Uh, so tonight we're going to talk about some facts about deer. Uh, are the deer overpop populated? Why doesn't hunting work? Concerns about deer, including forest health, landscaping,
deer strikes by cars, tickborn diseases, and non-lethal ways to reduce the deer population. Uh, basic facts about deer. Their lifespan is 6 to 25 years in captivity, 4 and a half years in the wild. Their diet is herbivorous. They live on the
forest edge. They love that edge habitat where you have the small saplings and the shrubs. Uh their behavior is nervous and shy. They typically mate in the second year. Female fawns typically live with their mothers for 1 to two years. Males leave
after one year. And deer are a keystone herbivore who have co-evolved with the forest for 3.4 to 3.9 million years. So everyone wants to know, are the deer overpop populated? Um the these are the most recent uh deer population
statistics from the Division of Fish and Wildlife. Unfortunately, they stopped putting out deer population estimates after 2018. Uh but you can see the deer population peaked in the uh 1990s when we had more hunters. Um gradually the
deer population uh went down and then started going up again. Now the Division of Fish and Wildlife says the deer population is going down. So, uh, the most recent, uh, estimate, they don't give exact numbers anymore,
but they said more than 125,000. Um, and there's biological carrying capacity and cultural carrying capacity. So, biological carrying capacity is the maximum number that the ecosystem can support without endangering other species. Cultural carrying capacity is
the number humans will tolerate and that number is usually lower than biological carrying capacity. So the deer in most parts of New Jersey have not exceeded biological carrying capacity, but they may have exceeded cultural carrying capacity, the number
people will tolerate. So hunting is a failed experiment. hunters killed 39,255 deer in the 2023 24 hunting season. So you'll remember there are uh about 125,000 deer and they
killed 39,000. So more than a third um or about a third of the deer and people still say that there are too many deer in New Jersey. That's because the purpose of hunting is not to reduce the deer population. The purpose of hunting is recreation.
The Division of Fish and Wildlife talks about the three Rs. Recruit, retain, and reactivate. They want to recruit hunters, retain hunters, and reactivate hunters. Those hunters who no longer hunt anymore. They want to bring them back. Um, but hunters are less than 0.1%
of the population in New Jersey. But yet, the division, I'm sorry, the Fishing Game Council is dominated by hunters. By state statute, five of the nine members of the Fish and Game Council must be sportsmen recommended by a hunting club.
Oh, and this image is from the New Jersey Deer Classic. So, the Division of Fish and Wildlife gives gives awards to hunters every year for killing the biggest deer with the biggest racks. So, why doesn't hunting work? The New
Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife has a mission statement that includes recreation. They need to keep a high deer population so that there are enough deer for the hunters to kill. They want to keep the hunters happy. Um, as we mentioned, the composition of
fishing gang council uh is dominated by hunters. Uh, also they are motivated by license sales. The division is it used to be funded completely through the sales of hunting, fishing and trapping licenses. Now they do get some money
from the state treasury because the number of hunters and uh trappers has been going down. We also need to follow the federal money money. So the Pitman Robertson Act is a tax on ammunition and even though most gun owners are not
hunters, they all contribute to that Pitman Robertson fund when they buy ammunition and then that money gets distributed to the states based on the number of hunting licenses that they sell. So there is a strong financial incentive for the state to sell a lot of
hunting licenses because they not only get the direct sale uh money from those hunting licenses but also the Pitman Robertson fund. So the division of fish and wildlife enhances dough fertility to increase the deer population.
Uh the deer population increases in several ways. There's compensatory rebound effect. So if you kill say half the deer in an area, suddenly there is twice as much resources per deer, you have more
habitat, more food, more cover, and that will cause them to have more fonds in the spring. Um, so like many mammals, if food is scarce, the dough will resorb an embryo or two and have only one or two
fawns in the spring. If resources are plentiful, she will have two or three fonds in the spring instead of just one or two. Another way is farm leases. The Division of Fish and Wildlife will lease land to farmers um state lands and they
require the farmers to plant deer preferred crops and leave a percentage of those crops standing for the deer because that keeps the deer population high for hunters. Um also they do clear cutting on those state wildlife management areas. Clear cutting creates
that edge habitat uh around the clearcut area. Uh food plots. The state will plant deer preferred crops on state wildlife management areas to boost the deer population. Prescribed burns uh like clear cutting
create that edge habitat that deer like. Um also hunters are feeding and baiting the deer directly on state lands as well as on private lands. So um there are many ways where the
division of fish and wildlife as well as private hunters are increasing the deer population. This is an ad that appeared in the uh New Jersey hunting digest. It's a magazine that the state puts out for hunters. Um, so this ad is from a store
that sells feed and grain and it says, "I feed year round for this one day." Um, and it's it's deer feed. The hunters are feeding the deer because they want to grow those trophy bucks with the record racks.
So, one thing that people are very concerned about is forest health. So a study showed that deer may eat the saplings but don't necessarily kill them. Widescale research showed that deer did not change the number of trees that grew
to maturity. They tend not to kill the saplings but they eat them down and then when they come back they grow back bushier. If anyone is a gardener you know when you cut down a sapling it comes back bushier. Another study showed that deer had no discernable influence on the height
growth or survival of either sugar maple or ash seedlings that were within browsing range. That's a study from 2023. Ecosystems are complex and simple single species solutions are not real solutions. For example, we saw with
compensatory rebound effect, you can't just kill a bunch of deer to reduce deer population because that causes them to have more fawns in the spring. wildlife management and natural area protection goals are often too ambiguous. So, one thing that people are
concerned about is diversity, but diversity itself is not necessarily um a good goal. As we can see from this diagram, when you have that edge habitat, you have more diversity. You have more uh
variety in plant life. And often we see these photos of mature hardwood forests and people are concerned that there are no saplings, there are no shrubs, there are no small plants and they think it's a bad thing. But a mature that's what a mature hardwood forest looks like. You
have somewhat less diversity, but it's still a valid mature ecosystem. This is another diagram that shows uh how you have more diversity in that edge habitat in the young forest as opposed to the mature forest. And it doesn't
mean that there's something wrong with a mature forest. So, urban deer behavior is a direct result of land management and planting decisions. If you see a lot of deer in an urban or suburban area, it's often because there's food nearby that they
love. They love tulips. They love hostas. They love gardens. They love your crops. Um, and that also causes them to reproduce more. Compassionate conservation. Traditional conservation doesn't value individual
life, but that's changing as the field incorporates ethics. So, it used to be that conservation that deer management didn't take into account the actual deer. Um, they were only raising deer for hunters, basically breeding deer on state wildlife management areas. Um, but
that's been gradually changing. So, Yale University uh a Yale University study determined that deer density was not a leading factor in determining variation in vegetation in Connecticut. And according to Dr. Oz Schmidz from Yell University, regeneration problems
blamed on deer in South Mountain Reservation are largely due to invasive jumping worms. Um, how many people have heard of invasive jumping worms? One. One person. Okay. I have done this presentation dozens of times and you're only the second person to raise your
hand. Um, the other person who raised their hand was an avid gardener. Are you a gardener? >> Somewhat. >> Okay. Yeah. So, invasive jumping worms are a serious problem, but as we can see, it's in the science
section of the newspaper. It's in the gardening section of the newspaper. Invasive jumping worms don't make headlines, but deer make headlines. And that's why everyone is blaming the deer for a lack of diversity, for forest
damage, when in fact a lot of it is due to these invasive jumping worms. So at at Animal Protection League of New Jersey, we believe in managing conflicts, not the deer. So one big concern for residents is landscaping.
We know landscaping is expensive. We know people care about their landscaping. You care about your vegetable gardens, your hostas, your tulips. Um, unfortunately, those are things that all attract deer. Um, there is a list of deer resistant plants put out by Rutgers
University. Um, plants with a strong aroma such as lambs ear, oriental poppy, yrow, sage, narcissus, peony, or lavender uh tend to be less preferred by deer. You can also sprinkle some soap around some people.
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or grate the soap using a grater and then sprinkle the soap gradings around. Um, you can also hang whole bars of soap in your yard or in your garden. Um, you can make an invisible fence out of fishing line and heard that >> fence posts. Um, just make sure you
don't use posts with sharp spikes on top because deer and other wildlife can become impaled on top of it. You can spray something smelly like hot pepper, garlic, sulfur, or commercial repellents. You can also make noise, hang pie
plates, or use a motion activated sprayer. And you may find that you have to rotate different meth methods. So the deer might become used to the pie plates or they might become used to the soap. You might have to rotate different methods to try to repel the deer.
Another big concern is deer strikes by cars. I passed several dead deer on the parkway on my way up here. Um it's definitely a serious problem. Um but hunting is not designed to prevent car
deer collisions. Um in Saddle River, they started a deer hunt when they said that one of their main concerns was car deer collisions and they found that there was no reduction in car deer collisions and in some years the number of collisions even went up. So, they uh
they suspended their hunt for a while, but unfortunately, I heard they recently brought the hunt back, even though it didn't have an impact on car deer collisions. It's important to map the data and analyze where these car deer collisions are occurring. Are they near a farm? Are
they near a large garden? Figure out why the deer are crossing the road at that point. Another study found that white fabric wrapped around a pole was more effective than a reflector. And they believe it's because the white fabric looks like the tail of a white-tailed deer going up. So
the deer will raise their tail to warn other deer of danger nearby. And they think that white fabric looks like a tail warning other deer. Um and other reflectors have also uh been effective in areas, but again that's something
that deer sometimes get used to and then they cross the road anyway. Uh other methods to prevent car deer collisions, lighting used only during twilight and turned off after midnight to avoid light pollution, reduced speed signs, which reminds drivers to slow
down. Uh it it has been proven to uh reduce accidents of all kinds, not just deer collisions. Um signage just reminding drivers that there are deer in the area. Wildlife crossings reduced collisions by 90% in Colorado. And uh
the state legislature um is actually uh they actually had a bill I don't I don't know if it's been passed yet. Have you heard? Um I there was a bill it might have been passed um that would require the state legislature to uh look into
wildlife crossings in New Jersey and wildlife crossings should be paid for by developers who displace wildlife. Another serious concern is tickborne diseases, but disease ecologists have long absolved deer of any significant role in
the transmission of Lyme disease. The Kerry Institute's tick project shows said that deer have gotten a bad rap, a false wrap. CDC scientists criticized a study used by the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife as biased. And the CDC
does not recommend killing deer to reduce Lyme disease. A 2015 study found that evidence linking deer reduction to reduced human Lyme disease risk is lacking. And this graphic is from the CDC. You can see that in the life cycle
of a tick, there are many different species that are or can be hosts for the ticks and deer are just one of them. Um, it includes basically a almost any kind of mammal or bird.
So, to prevent tickborne diseases, it's important to create tick-free zones and prevent tick bites. Clear brush, litter, and acorns from your yard. Those things invite small animals that might be carrying the ticks. Mow the grass short.
Move shrubbery away from your home. Remove bird feeders, bird baths, and salt licks. Apossums are great eaters of ticks. They can eat thousands of ticks. Um, avoid tall grass and brush. Dress
long and light. So, long pants, long sleeves in light colors, and that way you can see the ticks easily on you. Um, you can also use chemical repellents. Do a full body check in the mirror when you come in from outside and wash clothes and remove any ticks immediately. The
longer the tick is on you, the greater the chance that you will get any tickborne diseases that tick might be carrying. So, we don't usually recommend fertility control because usually the problem is not the number of deer but actual deer
attractants or um other things that have uh non-lethal solutions. But if the deer population does need to be reduced, there is fertility control. So surgical sterilization has significantly reduced local deer
populations in Virginia, California, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Maryland. It has proven effective in some open populations. So, I know the Division of Fish and Wildlife likes to say that this only works on islands um where you don't
have deer populations moving around, but it has been proven effective in some open populations. In Clifton, Ohio, residents formed a private nonprofit group and raised $95,000 over three years and sterilized 91% of adult females, lowering the deer
population by 19%. Between project year three and four in Clifton, Ohio, the number of deer related vehicle collisions and carcasses collected decreased by 43%. And unlike hunting, the method does not cause rebound or keep reproduction high
because the females that are being sterilized are still there. They're still taking up space. They're still taking up resources. Um, so you don't have that compensatory rebound effect where suddenly there's more resources and more habitat available. In most instances, the populations of
deer do not have to be reduced. In the exceptions, fertility control is far superior in achieving significant success and meeting animal welfare concerns. So what we need is openness to independent scholars and non-lethal techniques. And we need to recognize
poor quality outdated information. Opponents incorrectly claim that fertility control does not work when it has proven effective over and over again around the country. So Princeton, New Jersey was the most recent town to use fertility control.
The town was divided into four quadrants. Three had lethal control. Um they were using netting and bolting where they brought in professionals who were capturing the deer and killing them. And one quadrant used non-lethal
fertility control. And from 2003 to 2006 that non-lethal fertility control was so effective that the Division of Fish and Wildlife actually found that threatening because they want to promote hunting and if fertility control works that is a threat
to their hunting culture. So, they passed a new rule in 2006 um that would require permission from every land owner within 2,000 ft for your fertility control project to be
approved. 2,000 ft is huge. It's almost half a mile. You're not going to get every landowner within 2,000 ft to agree. I mean, some of them just, you know, don't respond to notices. Um so because of that every application since then has been
rejected. Um Princeton tried again in 2022 23 and 24 to apply to do sterilization of deer in their town and they were rejected every time rejected by the state. And there's an inherent
conflict of interest where you have the division of fish and wildlife which is funded by hunting dollars approving deer sterilization. So uh two recent rejections were Saddle River and Ocean Township.
Um in Saddle River they were told they needed written permission from every landowner of properties where darted deer might have to be recovered. So what they do is they first hit the deer with a tranquilizer dart and then after the deer falls down then they pick them up and they do the sterilization.
Um you can't know ahead of time where the deer might run. You know once a deer it gets hit by a tranquilizer dart then you can ask permission from the homeowner to go retrieve the deer from their property. And um Tony Dola from White Buffalo uh which is the premier
company in the US that does deer sterilization. He said he has never had a homeowner refuse permission to go retrieve a a sleeping deer. Um but but the state told Saddle River that they needed permission ahead of time from
every landowner. Um and the same thing happened with uh Ocean Township in Mammoth County. Both of their applications were rejected. So, um, we want to, uh, emphasize that we need to focus on managing conflict,
not deer numbers. If you see a deer, think displacement, not overpopulation. Collect meaningful data and identify hotspots. Where are the deer crossing the roads? And communicate with complaintants. So, if people are complaining about the deer eating their
landscape, eating their landscaping, eating their gardens, talk to them. Um, talk to them about fencing, talk to them about repellents, talk to them about changing to deer resistant plants. >> Okay. Thank you very much.
>> Are you taking questions or comments? >> Yeah, I mean I I'll ask if there's any questions or comments if you can limit them to no more than two minutes or so. And if someone asked uh the same question or comment prior, uh we let the next uh next person go. Sir,
Just come on up. Na name and name and address for the record. >> Ron Oc 85 old Japan Road. You mentioned that hunting deer is not an effective way of reducing but hunting deer is held on forest lands and other places not
held here in the towns. And hunting deer is involved shooting the bucks, the males, not the females that we produce. And why can't we shoot the females and reproduce and reduce the population that way? Also, you say that you should buy
deer resistant plants. The deer in old Japan don't care if it's deer resistant or not. Okay. They eat >> a hungry deer will eat almost anything. >> So, it's the town won't let you put up a giant 8ft fence in the front lawn to
prevent the deers from coming in. And you don't want to put white tassels all over your house because it'll look ridiculous. We want to live in a neighborhood and it's quite frankly it's more important for me my family to live in peace and quiet and happiness in a
nice yard than to protect the deer who are invading my property and driving my dogs crazy. So is the hunting that you're talking about as I described it hunting of mail bucks that is out in the countryside when there when there are hunting permits given to farms not here
in town. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Wendy. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Three minutes. >> Yes. >> Wendy King, 48 Dearborn Drive. Um,
uh, couple questions and a comment. So, um, the birth control, does it limit diverse species then? Because over time now we have a limited species. So then it could create weakness over time. Do the deer eventually disappear? Um how
exactly are you sterilizing them? Are there side effects or their birth defects? >> Um so regarding your first question about I guess it's about weakening the deer population. When you lower the biodiversity of a species, then you
lower then that's not good. Whether it's plants and animals, >> I mean, hopefully the deer would not be reduced to numbers so low that they they go through a bottleneck like that like like cheetahs are almost, you know, genetically identical and, you know,
susceptible to diseases because of, you know, their very limited diversity right now. They're, you know, genetic diversity. Um hopefully the deer numbers would not be lowered that drastically. Um and then regarding sterilization methods, we recommend ovariactomies where the ovaries are removed. So you
might hear about a study from Cornell where they were using darting. Um I believe they were using uh PZP which is um a chemical >> sterilization. I'm sorry. >> It's angel dust.
>> Wait, PZ PZ PZP PC. >> Got to make a brown. >> Yeah. >> Porcine. >> Excellent. >> Um I believe it's called PZP. Yes. >> PCP.
>> Um but it was a chemical uh sterilization that lasts for several years. Um the females were still coming into heat and still attracting males to the area. Um so it wasn't as affected effective as an ovarianctomy where they
remove the ovaries and then the females do not come into heat and do not attract males and the ovarctomy is permanent. Um, it's a permanent sterilization as >> capture them, take them away from their families, put them in a captive situation. And a lot of deer died from
fright in captivity because I know a lot of the wildlife rescue people say if it's an adult, you can't do anything because they'll die of fright trying to help them versus if it was a baby. >> Well, you you dart them with a tranquilizer first, right? And you're taking them out of their community. And
you perform the surgery which takes about half an hour and then you release them. You release them back into the community that they came from. >> And are you noticing any birth defects? No. >> Okay. And then just one thing for in
town I believe we need to study like you're saying. We don't know. Is it just because they lost their habitat and they tore down all these trees on this person's property. So now the deer showed up over here when used to live over here. Right. So unless we're actually doing like my dear family that
like come in my backyard and has been in and out and in and out over the summer hasn't shown up for a couple weeks and I miss them, they can come back. And then um if everyone does natural lawns with multicultural ground covers and plants multiple native species of different
types, then we're rebalancing what we've damaged by putting all these non-native species and all of these things. and we can balance our habitats and it will be better for everyone. So that's just >> thank you. That's >> okay.
>> Anybody else? Please. >> Hi Sheridan 31 Edith Street. >> Um so did the Princeton town pay for the fertility control methods themselves? >> Yes, the town paid for it. So like I think people would prefer the
fertility control methods but it's much more expensive than the alternative. >> Yes. So uh when Princeton divided the town into four quadrants and decided that one quadrant would be non-lethal, it was because that was the most densely populated quadrant and they decided they
did not want to use weapons there because of the danger to human life. Um and and that's a concern for any densely populated town is is danger to human life. So they just focus on that one quadrant and then whichever deer was just happened to be in that quadrant on
the day that they were performing these procedures was was the population they they targeted? >> Yes, they hit them with with tranquilizer darts and then retrieved them and then performed the sterilization. >> Okay. And then is there a certain percentage of the dough population that
you need to target to make it effective or >> Well, the higher the percentage then yes, the more effective it is. Um, I I don't think there's a specific number that you need to hit for it to for it to be effective. Just the more you sterilize, the more effective it is. And
actually, in San Jose, California, they sterilize so many of the deer that they saw a very drastic uh reduction in the deer population. And they actually wanted to import some deer. >> They can have ours. Yeah. So I guess the question for the
town is like how much money can we allocate if we were going to do fertility control and if that money is going to be enough for it to actually show the results that we want. >> Right. Yeah. So there are a lot of factors that go into the cost. Um I know for the most recent Princeton proposal
um I believe was it $1,000 per deer. Yeah. For for each sterilization. >> But that's >> but that's it. After that, then there's no additional cost, right? >> It's it's done for that deer. >> Yes. >> Therapy, the deer that lives.
>> Yeah. So, you you you tag the deer so you know which deer you you've gotten before. Or or if you're doing the chemical sterilization, you you still have to tag them because you have to redo it every two, three, four years. Yeah. Uh in the wild, only about four and a
half years. And their main cause of death is hunting. Not here. >> Is this considered the wild? >> Not here. >> The wild. >> What's the limit of the wild? I mean, their range is quite >> uh short here. They tend to stay in neighborhoods.
[Music] >> In New Jersey, we don't have that many natural pred predators. >> Only cars. >> We have a few. If I could I could tell you coyote is >> you're really the only natural predator but >> adult coyote baby deer coyote wins but
adult coyote adult deer deer wins every time >> so it's really not a factor there's lots of coyotes you may or may not know that >> just lots of coyotes and they're not affecting the deer population. Yeah, >> if there's an injured deer, yeah, a couple coyotes take it down. But
>> so when White Buffalo comes in to do a proposal for a town, they will evaluate um the terrain and how uh how what's the word I'm looking for? How tame the deer are. Um because the more used to human
presence that the deer are, the easier it is to hit them with a tranquilizer dart. Um and so that brings the cost down. Also in Clifton, Ohio, um once they had some uh volunteers trained, that also drastically reduced the costs. So you you do have to have professional
veterinarians doing the sterilization, but you can have trained volunteers doing the tranquilizing, transporting the deer, um things like that. And that also reduces the costs. >> And there are no like state resources to help offset those costs for the town.
There are grants. Yeah. The the state would rather not have sterilization because they want hunting. Yeah. >> So most of the the all of the cost is is usually borne by the municipality that wants to do it. >> The town or in some cases volunteers. Yeah. Like Clipton, Ohio, they formed a
private nonprofit organization and raised money for the sterilization. >> Okay. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes. >> Good. You go. >> Can you speak to So, you know, one of my favorite expression, perception is reality. And I think if you looked
around the room here and and if you certainly uh read the room two meetings or last meeting two weeks ago, we have I grew up in town. I've been here 50 plus years. There are tremendous more deer in Altapan today than there were in the
1970s. We'll call it tremendous. And I don't know if anybody will debate me on that. >> What caused that? Now, you say culturally we're over, but uh we're not really over. >> Is that true? >> I mean, it could it could be displacement. Um it it could be that the
deer population is actually higher. Um but I would imagine there's been a lot of development in the last 50 years. >> Higher state. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. So, it could be that the deer were in the woods in the 70s and now those woods are gone.
>> That's true. That's true. Okay. Could I >> could I ask um our last presentation uh we they talked about um non-lethal >> making u uh surgical birth control however the
birth control was administered but they also said after that dough is can no longer have babies someone shoots that dough with a with a bow and arrow and eats it, it could be
affecting their health. >> That's why they're tagged, right? If they >> I've I've never heard that. >> And And I mean, even with the deer who are chemically sterilized, that's Yeah. Even those deer who are chemically
sterilized that breaks down in the deer and they are safe to eat for hunters if the deer is killed by a hunter later. >> How? >> Uh they've done studies. I can try to find that for you. >> Just wondering if you know off the top of your head. Okay.
>> Along with what he said, the other thing that they said was when you have a deer that's sterilized, you have overdose sterilized, the male still is looking for >> they're still going to estrus, >> right? So all of a sudden that causes
they say that causes a lot more car accidents because they're going crazy trying to find something. Well, that's true of the chemical sterilization, but with an ovarctomy where they remove the ovaries, the female does not go into heat and is not attracting males. >> So, the male doesn't care anymore.
>> I I think the male is still looking for females, but he's not going to be attracted to that female. >> Yeah, but that's the thing they're going to be looking for. And then what they said is they're going to be looking for it. >> So, they're going to be a little bit more wild about getting someplace where
they, you know, finding that email. They might be attracted to a town that didn't sterilize their deer. >> Very nice. >> Hi. >> Hi. Thank you very much. Sherry Fono, 256 Old Van Road. Um, thank you very
much for coming uh at the meeting last the last meeting and I think it might be worthwhile to go revisit look at the tape revisit what they said. I came away I I really appreciate what you said because I personally came away feeling
it was quite a biased report and there is unfortunately there's a lot of bias going on in the world and it's hard to decipher information fact fiction anymore but it seemed like the way they even set up the presentation and I've been to a lot of presentations
it was set up to have everybody going like this it's called bobblehead you do a sales pitch you get people to be going like this so by The time you stick the contract in front of them, they're ready to sign. You put the pen. Yeah. Any problem? No. Okay. They don't even know how to do their head anymore.
>> Okay. >> Comment about the deer. You got a question. >> My point is I think what you mentioned gives new insight and new information on top of what we already learned >> and instead of just right away going to like one of the problems is I looked up
state and people used to kill deer and they would eat them. I mean they it was the country. here. It's not the country. So, even bow and arrow is a very cruel method. Yes. And I read up on it after the report. It's very cruel way to try to kill anything.
>> Uh there's no guarantee. I mean, there's deers walking around with with arrows in their necks, things like that. And then what do you do? And now that creates another problem. And it also can traumatize children to see this. So, it's a real problem we have because we're such a close community. And to your point, in my opinion, there's no
forest left. Everybody's got fences up. So, the deer are all on everybody's front lawn because the only place you can't put a fence if everybody had fences on their front lawn, you wouldn't even see them on the front lawn. >> So, they they >> I don't have the answer, but I think the sterilization I knew in Fire Island they
did the chemical one long long time ago. And you're right, it only lasts a few years. It's not cost effective. But this actually ovarian removing >> the reproductive organs so to speak does seem to be like a viable alternative
that we should at least consider and maybe look at a proposal from this group because also in in Saddle River they have a lot more land what's left there than we have here. We we really don't have any place for anybody. >> Oh yeah. And the residents of Saddle River were very upset finding wounded
and dead deer on their on their lawns. Yeah, >> it's it doesn't seem like, you know, as you said, people shoot them, they die. You have more control over that and then they you take them for food and you eat them. And with ar bow and arrow is not the most effective way.
>> Yeah. They bleed to death, which is a slow, painful death with bow and arrow. >> They run off into the the the road into your yard. I mean, it's difficult. I know some some wounds of deer that were in the property next to me, the policeman had to come and shoot them
because, you know, it's like, you know, they couldn't save them. Um, >> but you know, it it's it's Thank you for just offering another alternative for everybody to hear about. >> Yes. And of of course, another solution is the state has to stop these practices
that increase the deer on state wildlife management areas. But, you know, that's not not something the town has control over. >> Yes. Again, as Patrick makes his way up here, it's uh this is a part of our factf finding. This was there's no decisions here. We had
>> someone with different points of view last meeting and we'll probably have future presentations with other points of view. So, >> sir, hi Patrick Jamboody 16 Autumn Lane. Uh just one quick question. What's the cost difference between chemical sterilization? And you said it was
$1,000 per deer for the ovarctomy. Yes. For the chemicals, >> the chemical sterilization is cheaper because um you're actually just hitting them with one dart that has the uh the chemical in it. Um but it has to be repeated every few years.
>> Um so for the short term, for that first year, it is cheaper, but for the long term, the surgical sterilization is cheaper. >> But how much is it per year? Uh it's it's a few hundred dollars per deer to do the uh sterilization dart. >> So then they tag them at the time when
they get darted. Yes. >> Has tranquilizer in it too? >> Um I think they hit them with the tranquilizer first and then >> and then >> Yeah. >> And I'm sorry. Yeah. It's uh it's not a dart. It's a injection >> with the PCP. Yeah. >> Yeah. Sorry.
>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Anybody else any comment on this? Thank you so much for >> Thank you so much for having us for >> coming. And um I believe Dorian has literature for you. >> Uh >> can we get the PowerPoint to uh our B administrator? >> Yeah, I can email it to you.
>> Awesome. [Music] Anna, you are ready or >> Thank you so much. >> We're good. >> Our next uh order of business. >> Thank you. Okay. All right. Our next order of business
tonight is uh under new business a uh wait a minute. What do we got? >> Business Halloween. >> That was me. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm guessing I'm guessing where you're what you're going to talk about. Um, so our next order of
business on the new business is Halloween proposal concerns. And I have your name next to this on the on the agenda. Do you want to introduce >> uh there's a lot of Halloween candy uh trick-or-treaters on Country
Square. >> Okay. and they >> not only country square the the u they don't want cars on the roads so I think they have to come and tell you what their reasoning is the chief did go through this and last year what they did
was they closed uh country squire on otr so no one can get on and what he'd like to do this year is put no parking signs on one side >> I don't think they closed last year >> I talked to the chief today like a couple hours ago.
>> Well, he said otr and triple bush. Uh, >> no. >> Okay. Well, >> I talked to him like 5:00 >> from otr and then put no parking signs on one side, but you can >> Well, yeah, let's let's let's hear let's hear their proposal and uh uh Councilman
Bagi as our police liaison could fill in something there. So, ladies, please come up, introduce yourselves, name and address. >> I'm I'm Jen Griffin, 56 Oldtown Crown Road. Um Jordan Sheen 42 Edith Street
>> Jen and Jordan. >> Okay. >> We're gonna We want to close the roads to keep the deer out. >> What's that? >> I'm just kidding. >> Yeah. You going to let the deer out trickor treat? >> So we we So clearly we haven't been to a meeting like this before. So we don't have enough copies, but I do have some
that I could kind of >> We know the neighborhoods. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Got it. Um okay. Okay. So, well, thank you again for letting us be here tonight to talk about this. Um, the concern is that we have small kids. I'm sure there's a lot of people in the room who also have had small kids at some
point with, um, our neighborhood being sort of the epicenter of where everyone goes to go trick-or-treating. Um, and we were looking to, um, Yep. Thank you. We were looking to, like Anna said, shut down a couple of the roads, maybe work through a plan or something that we
could kind of get comfortable with where there's no restrictions of any type of emergency situations, but it's a really heavy foot trafficked area. Um, it gets really, really busy. Kids are running around the place. We're looking to shut
it down for about like 2 hours. Um, >> yeah. Especially when you have more than one kid, one's going this way, one's going that way, your head's on a swivel >> and it's a Friday night. >> Yeah. Um, we're aware that emergency situations, ambulance, things like that
of that nature. There were there was discussion about possibly having the DPW be at each like barricade in case somebody needed to get in or out, possibly putting letters in the resident's mailboxes of alternative parking spots or places for those two
hours or so. Um, we created a little map of little X's of where potential closures could be, but that's again all up for discussion. Um, that's really we're just it's with the ebikes and the scooters and pedestrians. It's just it's a safety
concern and it's a lot. >> What did they do? What did they do last year? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> No, I don't mean >> what transpired last year >> Halloween wise. >> Yes. >> Like to get >> traffic and stuff. >> You had the police patrolling and they
were driving very very slow and then it was everybody had to shout and be like move over, move over and then everybody had to get on the sides. >> Okay. But that was essentially >> what was the problem there with that? >> It's a stressor. It's a stressor for parents, especially with young kids, right?
>> And for such a small proximity, dependent upon how you're looking at the map, for such a short time, it's just an ease of it's just an ease of >> it's peace of mind. >> Peace of mind. It's a nice little community space where we can all just kind of like take a deep breath and be
together for those two hours and then can kind of open up the roads back again and and have it be back to normal. >> Okay. >> So, back in the old day, this is like the 1900s when my kids were were little, we used to drive our kids to the neighborhood, right? So, we had Halloween there.
>> But usually the the smaller kids would go in the late afternoon when it's light out and then some of the older kids would go maybe when it's darker. What hours are you recommending? If you're going to recommend 2 hours, is it >> darker when it is actually more dangerous or is it light when the little
kids are? >> It's there's the curfew, too, right? So, with daylight savings, which is what, November 2ndish, >> usually by the time it gets dark, trick-or-treating is done. >> Yeah, >> I would say around home. >> I mean, you get those unruly teenagers
knocking at your door for sure, but they're also on the ebikes and the e- scooters with their helmets unbuckled. I digress, but who's laughing back there? Um, we were thinking, okay, everybody gets school lets out 3:00, 3:30, everybody.
That's another thing. You have to worry about getting everybody home from school, getting cars in their driveways and things like that. What did we think? Like 3:30, 4 to 6:30? 6. >> Yeah, 4 to 6. Is that >> also the time people are coming home from work, too? But with the letters in
the mailbox ahead of time, preemptively planning it, it might ease that. >> But with letters in the mailbox, you think they're not coming home from work? >> No, no, no. They >> But they definitely have days to plan and it's one short day, one short period of time. It's, you know, it's a Friday. >> Park your car here and then move it an hour later next year.
>> It's It's can be inconvenient for sure. Um, we were also kind of hoping to make it more of like a community experience. We have a kid at the high school who's willing to DJ in her driveway. We were looking to get >> points >> some food situations happening. I know. What do you say there? Here we go.
>> No, I said there you go. You have a DJ and a driver. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're just trying to make it more fun for the community. I mean, the whole town does come to that side of town. >> Yeah, that's true. >> We're starting a candy collection this year. We're trying to our kids are still young and if we can pilot it now and have it maybe grow and be a positive
experience and successful kind of >> what if you had food trucks and DJs at Stone Point Park under the pavilion >> and take the pressure off and take pressure off the neighborhoods. >> Well, the food trucks are it's been it's been a nightmare and a disaster. Um so
we we don't know. We're going to kind of we're looking to more towards another option there. We didn't get there yet um planning wise. Yeah. >> Uh, so I don't know. We don't have those answers yet because we wanted to get approval before. But also, I don't think
people are going to take the time out of their day in trick-or-treating house to house to house to walk down to Stone Point. And then you've got town day on the 25th. It's like a It's the same thing. You don't want to take away from that. >> We're doing it at Oak Park then. >> That's not That's too far. >> It's a different uh >> So, you want to recreate the
trick-or-treating? No, my my concern is just is the um I've trick-or-treated in that neighborhood. I I won't even tell you how many years ago. Um I grew up in that neighborhood. >> Um it's just I know it's become more and more and more and more.
>> And I don't want to set a precedent and we're going to do something here and then some other neighborhood says, "Well, we have issues too and we have parking problems too and we have this going on as well." So I personally I'm
just leerary to kind of do anything except have our police keep um thea safety and and concern cons you know in uh top of mind. Um that's that's I think if I if I could I
talked to speaking about safety and the police some the police liaison >> I spoke to uh Joe Tracy our police chief today >> and he said if we close the road >> or if we make no parking on one side it's not going to affect it it's going
to be the same amount of safety issues meaning we're not going to if we close the road we're not going to lessen overtime if you want to speak for budgetary people here. It's still going to be the same amount of people. He said, and I said, "What'd you do last year?" He said, "We just made no parking
one side." I said, "Did it work?" And he said, "It worked fine." >> How do you do that? Was it temporary signs? >> He said, "There's temporary signs all over the place." >> He would extend that to a larger area. >> Larger area of not just country square. >> Can you define worked? Like what do you mean by when you say that?
>> Um >> there was no accidents or >> correct. There was It was as good as it could be. >> See, I disagree. >> I think it could be better. >> Well, it could always be better, >> right? And that's why we're here to better it
>> just because it wasn't an accident. Go ahead. Tell us. Yeah. >> Is our interpretation of your map that the X's indicate that those roads are closed and that inside of those X's where it's >> Yeah, that's the heavy foot traffic. >> It's not an extraordinarily large area.
>> It looks like a large area to me. >> It does. But even if you narrowed it again, all open to discussion and >> options and >> do people get permits here for block parties. >> No, >> we don't do that. >> All right.
>> A few a few places do, but it really is basically portion of usually in the cold >> like Pearl Court. We let them close the last two houses. >> I drop my kids off in that area and I know exactly what you're talking about. And safety, that's always my concern. And I'm like, I'm trying to like just
wear something bright cuz once it starts to get dark, you know, once it starts to get dark, I see people kind of like they veer off and somebody's hosting which is kind of nice. Then you have a pickup point. Um, and going in and out to pick them up. For me, it's always been an issue where it's my head's on a swivel
cuz I don't want to >> nail somebody, right? >> Yeah. So, I'm looking at this. I'm like, is it can there be a compromise? Maybe just close Country Squire if we could do something like that. >> An old Crown two parallel roads to Yes, I agree. Those are a lot of X's, but again, open to interpretation,
discussion. We just wanted to kind of be here to get something maybe the ball rolling before Halloween. >> Birchwood Road also is very heavy at the end of Country Squad, >> right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Hang on one second. Well, I'll get to you in a second. >> But and then you also don't want the
people in that area, well, why is my road not closed then? Or why is this road closed? >> That'll be coming, >> right? I know. So, you got to be careful there as well. >> So, what other um we're not going to make a decision. >> No. Totally. Right. What other um so road closures, everyone boxed in for safety reasons.
>> What else are you proposing for us for this council to consider and take it to our police department so that they can weigh in and say, you know, all right, let's think about doing this cuz >> that's honestly it. We were going to go the food truck route. It's been a nightmare because they all have
differing opinions and personalities and this one wants these rules and it's >> Okay, so that's off the table. Yes, >> we could potentially get B&M Market to cater outside Jen's house if that's again personal property type situation where hey, she's there >> personal property >> and then pay as you go. Then people
don't have to be Another concern is people order pizza. If you're hosting, you're feeding people. So, how are those pizza trucks getting there? You're going to have to meet them at a point. But if you offer >> closed, right? >> If you offer a food Oh. Oh, don't mind me. if you offer a food option and
talking with community members, they they're like, "That's a fabulous idea." >> We gauged a couple of okay of people, but that's not everyone and we know that that there's more people to the neighborhood who don't have Facebook, who don't who aren't seeing these messages. So, like we said, we just wanted to sort of gauge what the
possibility could be. >> Um, >> but two, can I ask two questions? So, one is we have a 5K event. Do we close roads for that? >> No. Yes. No. >> No. This roads aren't enclosed for that. >> No, it's not. >> It's controlled, but not >> It's controlled.
>> Controlled. Okay. Okay. Um >> Yeah. >> And then the second is for the plan of the streets. >> Like Country Square to me is a kind of a main street to get to other streets. >> Right. >> I'd like you to to give a proposal which minimizes >> the main
>> the main. Yeah. So, for example, I see Westminster, Windsor, that's almost like a circle, right? Where that in order to get to another street, you don't have to go through those streets. So, you know, >> in a more detailed proposal, can you try to minimize the impact of >> commuters?
>> Commuters. Absolutely. >> There's about 63 homes affected by this concept. And if you locked off the side of uh of Country Square, you're taking about 15 away, still maintaining that thorough affair.
>> Right. Okay. >> Did you get permission from all 63? >> No, we didn't do that yet. We're here in front of you first. We're doing it the right way. >> You might have a hard time, >> but we definitely don't want to ruffle feathers by any means. We're like we said, we just we're trying to keep
safety number. >> Would the deer be allowed to roam during Halloween? >> Only if the worms are there. >> So that's um Okay. So that's the proposal. >> Okay. And this council will >> led by uh >> you know, let me let me talk to Chief again and get a get a written opinion.
But I'd like to I'd like to have anyone from the public who would like to weigh in on this. You heard the proposal. Uh ma'am, you you had your hand up. I don't You have name and address. >> You have to come up. >> Come on up. >> We don't at 37 Birchwood Road. Um I've lived
there for about 20 25 years and I see what goes on and it's it's scary. I mean, I don't even there are so many trick-or-treaters that I don't even stay in my house. I put a chair out with the candy and to give it out. So, that does that's many kids. I mean, I have a 114
peanut um pretzel bags plus like couple pounds of of chocolate and hopefully I have enough. But I see it every year and it's scary because I see exactly what you're saying. >> Kids are crossing over. They're dawning. Parents are trying to do their best to
control. Yes. And I've seen it and people walk their dogs. They come park in Nottingham Court and then start from there and go around to all of the towns. And because I don't see your map, I don't know if that you recognize that Birchwood Road also was affected by the truck. >> That that's really all that I have to
say. But I do have to say that my daughter lives in Hallworth. Somebody approached her and asked a new neighbor said, "Where's the best place to take my children trick-or-treating?" >> They did not. >> They did. No. >> Oh, Birchwood Road in Old Japan. So, it's it's out there. >> It's it's out there.
>> Margaret, we're starting a candy donation. I'm going to go to your house and drop you a bag. >> Thank Thank you, Margaret. >> Thank you, Margaret. >> Ma'am, >> here we go. >> Hi there. Um, my name is Dorene Feifer. I live at 12 Windsor Place, right in the
epicenter of uh of Halloween. Sorry, I need reading glasses. I'm older. Um, I'm here tonight because I did see all over Facebook all about this proposal that was circulating for Halloween. And to be honest with you,
I'm incredibly concerned. Um, I want to put it on record. I am not anti-h Halloween. I have lived in that home for 28 years. And for 28 years, I have opened my door and had Halloween candy
for every child that has come there. But I think that things are just starting to get a little bit um out of hand. Jordan, I saw what you did as far as the
um candy, you know, to have people come and if you're a neighborhood that's really hit hard, I can go through 500 pieces of candy in an hour and a half. >> Wow. >> That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous what I have spent for the
last 28 years on Halloween candy. But I do it because it's a day for the kids and they're supposed to have fun. My concern is this is now becoming not just an afternoon of fun for the kids to run around. It's becoming an event. And it's
becoming an event that is just happening in one area of town. Again, I didn't know everybody. I didn't know who was behind this. I have no idea everything that was posted. Most people that posted on Facebook and we're
talking about this, everything was anonymous. So, I guess my questions are, we're saying to close the roads for a couple of hours, and I have a problem with that. Okay. Technically, I'm a
senior citizen. Okay. If I have to park my car and walk from Pan Road or walk from Sundon Court, it's not fair. It's not fair to me. It's not fair to my family to have to do this. Um, I know you're just hearing about this today, so
I don't know what the options are and I don't know where people would park or where people would expect to be parked. I have a daughter who's 8 months pregnant who comes to my house every Halloween because she doesn't get a lot
of foot traffic. She can't come to my house then this year if we propose shutting down the roads because I can't have an 8-month old woman walking from Old Tapan Road to the house so that she can hand out Halloween candy to kids and it's a little bothering.
I completely completely understand safety, but Halloween in this neighborhood is no longer it it's as I said, it's become an event. It is not something that we just have the kids come run around. We all did
this. We all watched our own kids. We brought our kids to the neighborhood. We understand that there are other kids from all over town that came to the neighborhood. Both of my kids trick-or-treated with their friends through that neighborhood. But I so I just don't understand why now
parents are not watching their kids. And I understand that more and more and more kids are coming. Let me tell you a story. We have on numerous occasions seen vans pull up
Windsor Place, Country Squire Road. Vans come You get a bunch of kids jump out of the van. Parent takes off. You see the van come back a couple hours later. You hope that the right kids are getting in the right van and they're, you know, and they're all leaving. Two years ago, a
school bus showed up on Country Square Road. School bus emptied out. Dozens of kids. Boom. They dispersed into the neighborhood. That tells me that these are not not only are they not kids from my neighborhood, but they're not even kids from this town.
Where are they coming from? This woman just said Howard is being told to come to Old Japan to go trick-or-treating. That it it's just it's just ridiculous. >> Somebody else say >> either way. Yeah.
[Laughter] >> One other point that I'd really like to make. First responders. My husband sits here. He's a first responder. I have seen people the fire whistle is blaring. He's got a blue light in his
car and he's trying to get to a fire call. And you have adults standing in the middle of the street screaming at him. This has not just happened once. This has happened several times over the years. This is wrong. What if, god
forbid, there's an emergency in in in our town? I have a person across the street from from me who's 90 years old. At any given time, they could need the ambulance. What are we going to do? I mean, I know we have police there in the neighborhood, but the idea of just
shutting this neighborhood down is is just it's just wrong. And I know some people think, well, it's just one afternoon. It's just one afternoon, but it's getting crazier and crazier and crazier. And I don't want it to be moved
to Stonepoint, but I think that we're getting to the point where if we don't do something and if we don't like the deer population, if we don't try to trim out this neighborhood a little bit, I don't I don't know what this I don't know what the answers are, but maybe we
start to need to say, okay, there's a different neighborhood in in the town that gets hit every year. As I said, 28 years it's been here and it's getting more and more and more. And it's not just old pan kids. If it's old Japan kids, that's fine. The more the
marrier, but the fact of the matter is we're getting people in from all over. And this is really this is a problem. >> How does one control that though? >> Road closure or not? >> You can't. It's a public street. >> Yeah. I I'm just >> It's a public street. I mean, >> it's not juvenile candy. I I'm just
like, and again, I I I feel like when I come and I sit here, especially with these young ladies here, and I think to myself, they're going to come out and they're going to say, "Oh, that lady's anti-h Halloween." >> I'm not. >> I'm not because I have But I'm just I'm very very
>> concerned. Anything else? >> Thanks. >> Okay. >> And and there's there's three firemen on the day, so we we understand that. >> Yeah. I I just I mean Have you not Have you not been screamed at and yelled at and told to get out of the way?
>> I have no doubt. >> You know, >> so you can't go two mile. >> They do. >> There's no cars racing through the streets. >> That's impossible. >> 10 minutes to get from my house to see a couple years ago. 10 minutes.
>> There's flying through the streets. If you go 2 miles an hour, you're lucky. >> So it's faster to walk then. It's faster to walk. It is absolutely. But if you have to get out of your car, makes it a little difficult.
Come on up. >> Come on up. >> Kathy Sheridan, 71 Mavis Road. Have you guys looked into alternatives in other towns? I used to teach in West. They used to have Trump retreat. They had to do it at the high school. They did. Oh,
they do. Mhm. >> I mean, it sounds like I can't I mean, I brought my kids, too. We live >> Yeah, they don't buy the high school. I buy a bag of candy that I don't like cuz the whole thing is there, >> you know. So, uh,
>> but the I get your point totally, but it's also like you can't stop political people. >> Well, she it's and but I to her point what it's becoming the whole ing the progressive it's what it's become. It's It's happened already. Now we need to
And I get the idea of you don't want to make it bigger cuz it's going to make it worse. >> But it's already level nine. >> What's a what's a >> unless it's a Friday. So >> unless you know you put an alternative
out there where this street >> that would have to come from the town, not us. >> Do something. I don't think the town is in a position for or against to to say don't go here, go here this year because it's it's kind of
>> you just streets. >> It's public streets. It's hard. >> Public streets, right? >> Uh so, uh Wendy, last point and then I'm going to ask our police commissioner to uh look into something and we'll make a determination within the next two weeks.
>> Little weed it because we go to the neighbors. We knew the neighbors. We said hi. It was a community event. We never went over there. By the time my third kid was born, his friends would come over here, but it wasn't fun because everyone was over there. And I think a lot of it has to do with social
media because it used to be you trick-or-treated in your neighborhood. You said hi to your neighbors, right? >> Um, and that was really great. And one woman we went with, she's like, "I don't let my kid get candy unless I know the personally." And then it was funny because I was like, "Oh, I know them." And I know them. And I realized I actually knew all my neighbors, which
was really cool. But then it just went over there. Now I think if you block the streets, >> if you build it, they will come. Right. So if you block the streets, I think it's going to get worse, not better. And just, you know, I have no skin on the game. My kids are way past that. And I just don't I now I'm starting to get a
few trick-or-treaters again. But what if you make corridors of walking corridors? That way the street stays open and you kind of make a wider side because there's no sidewalk over there, right? So if you kind of make a fake sidewalk on each side of the road by putting up
like barriers and cones and telling parents that their kids have to walk on that one side in that fake sidewalk that we just created and then have a crossing guard that is at the end of the street and can cross people to the other side
and then they can make that kind of a U loop and that just might be a way to keep the road open and keep the kids and just put a notice out there through the schools and everything that if you're going to trick or treat, you have to have children must be accompanied by
an adult. You know, I mean, it may or may not help, but >> Bless your heart. >> The middle schoolers aren't going to listen. But if if the notice goes out that that should be, then parents actually can push back and go, "Well, it says I'm supposed to be there, so I'll
wait here and you guys can walk down the street." So at least they kind of stay with them maybe, but at least you put it out there. >> Wendy, I appreciate Wendy before you go. I appreciate that. I mean, making a Carter and telling the parents, but >> spray you can't spray paint, but
>> just just an example. I'm at Butterworth a lot parking lot 78 empty and someone has to park in front of you right by the mailbox to go in and get their coffee and then you can't get out. You have to back up. Empty parking lot. These are parents. These are
adults. These are educated people, but they have to do that. So, I have I like the idea, but the entitlement is going to go right over that rope and that barrier and walk into the middle of the street. >> But that's when if you >> do you know who I am? That kind of thing. >> Yeah. If you have a police officer
pulling for safety. Yeah. Then they can be like, "Get back behind." >> All right. Got a suggestion, Councilman. Uh, so it sounds like food trucks are out of play. It's there's no contracts that need to be signed and all that stuff.
>> So I would like you to revisit with the police chief. >> I'll have and they have a traffic uh I believe there's a traffic department. >> There is. >> Okay. uh meet with them and come back at the next meeting >> which is >> which is the 20th of October 11 days
prior to the event >> and say this is what we're willing to do or not to do. Okay, it's close the road. Let's keep the road open. >> Well, it'll be suggestion. It'll be our decision. >> It'll be our decision. It'll be their suggestion and I I value their
suggestion because they're the experts in this in this field. >> Sounds reasonable. That okay? >> Yep. >> That's okay. >> Thank you. >> I'll get to work on it tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, ladies. >> Thank you. >> All right. Do we have any old business
before us tonight? >> Uh, I'll entertain a motion to open a meeting to the public to speak about anything but deer and Halloween. >> Oh, you didn't do new business. >> You know that, right? >> We just did new business. >> I'm sorry. You didn't You didn't ask for
any more new business. >> Oh, do we have any more new business? New business. >> Oh, we got new business. Not on the agenda. Pardon me. >> Um, >> police chief asked me to bring up uh ebike >> resolution. >> Okay. >> An ebike ordinance.
>> Awesome. >> We have a sample one. Anna, did she he sent you a sample one? >> Yeah, I have it from Clark. >> Okay. We have a sample ordinance. Um, I think everyone in this room could acknowledge we have a problem with ebikes. Actually on the way here tonight
there was a kid on the sidewalk with his ebike. We all waited for him to cross the street with our cars. He went across from CDW, got to St. Pas and got on the sidewalk and went down with his ebike. It's probably the safest spot for him, but he's not supposed to be on the sidewalk. He didn't have a helmet. All
those things. You know what I'm talking about. Um bystate has a serious problem racing from Starbucks going north all the way down that sidewalk. Um yelling at people. I've witnessed it myself, cursing at people. It's not nice. So,
>> we have an a proposed ordinance that uh I guess we'll give it to we'll give it to Brian. >> I'll get it out as well. They can all see it. Um and I'm sure the chief told you that both schools, the NBOT and our own elementary schools are on board with
this. >> Yes. >> And we'll do anything to back it. >> Yes. And we're going to have a night where we're going to meet I I think upstairs in the firehouse. >> I I've heard that there >> he'll this proposed >> where uh Brandon, our traffic guy, he uh patrolman,
>> he's going to explain the ebike uh proposed ordinance, ebike safety, what it entails because, as he was telling me, a lot of parents don't know how fast these things can go and uh they find out after afterwards.
>> Yeah, they're dangerous. at Incident Montail. >> Yes, Incident Montail is prime example. It's on it's on social media every day. >> The chief is also going to reach out to bystate 2 to see if they can also be on board. >> Yes, he was doing that today. He was talking. >> Okay. So, we're going to get the
ordinance uh to Brian to look at to pull something together. We'll get it out to us before the next meeting and if everyone's in agreement, we can introduce it at the at our meeting on 10:20 uh first reading and then we can adopt it in November. >> Good. >> Fine. Sound about right. But just get if
you can get it to us so we can read it before the tour before. >> All right. But you'll send it out to everybody. >> Okay. All right. My second thing was countrywire closing. We talked about that. Uh my third thing was we have a resident on Charles Place that lives down closer to Utah on that end of
Charles Place. >> Okay. >> And uh they're they're out early 6:00 and they're trying to get back home at 8:00 and they can't because it's closed for schools. This resident was asking if we could h possibly have a permit for
someone who lives right there that they can drive slowly back to their house. >> So what do you mean they can't get home >> because of the it's closed because the school track? >> You're talking about K Street? >> No. >> So why can't they go down Russ? >> Go the long way. >> They don't want to go the long way.
>> No. >> No. He told me it was closed on both sides. >> No, it's a long way. >> I mean I I live in that neighborhood and I get out I sometimes try to get out before school, but don't always succeed. >> He was saying that he can't get in because it's closed both sides.
>> It's not cars stream by my driveway from 8:15. >> Okay. >> To 8. >> I said I would bring it up tonight just to >> I mean I don't know. >> Multip I'm sorry. They close at multip. >> Yeah, they close it by COC's house. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> Right. But they don't close it on the other end. >> No, it's becomes a oneway. >> So why can't that coming from Multipan
Road? >> Oh, not even a oneway. Yeah, >> they they wouldn't make the left or the right onto onto Charles. >> So they I'm down Russell couldn't go down Russell make a red on Irving right on Charles. >> Yes, they can. >> Yes, they can >> without any problems. >> No problems at all.
>> Never mind. >> Person sent an email. >> My neighbor. >> It is not your neighbor. >> Okay. >> No, I don't want to talk about names. >> All right. >> Um and that's all I have for new business. >> Okay. All right. Uh we had no old business. I think I heard that. Uh, we
did entertain I don't know if I get it. We'll do it again. Entertain a motion to open the meeting to the public. >> So move. >> Okay. Second. >> Okay. No deer, please. No. Uh, Halloween, please. And I saw a hand up back there. >> It's Thank you for bringing up the ebikes.
That's what I was going to ask about. where I live, I'm like in the center of, you know, ground zero in town when it comes to school and everything, but um I don't know if you're allowed to ban ebikes or certain ones, but the amount
of kids I'm really worried when I pull out of I have a circular drive and even though I cut back the tree, you know, there's clearance to see, but those ebikes go flying down. First off, they shouldn't be allowed on the side. I don't know what to do with >> they're not allowed on the side. that's going to be in the orders.
>> These kids, they don't and they don't pay attention, you know, like there was one kid with another one. Somebody said, "You don't have a helmet on." He goes, "Oh, I have it at home." Guy goes, "You don't have a helmet at home." you know, so I didn't know if we could just ban them or ban them from certain roads
because it's it's such a busy road, >> especially during the school hours and and rush hour that I would I want to put signs on my driveway, just you know, active driveway or something because I don't want to hit anybody >> and >> I don't think we could ban them.
>> I think education is is the education with enforcement >> and with enforcement with an ordinance, right? Keep them off the sidewalk. Any do any of these kids get any tickets for >> safety gear? >> Well, we have to have a law in Yes. I will say yes to that >> because there is the bicycle helmet though. >> Yes, there is. >> Okay.
>> Uh, so yes. And then when they're wearing helmets, you know what they get? They get ice cream certificates from our >> They catch them doing good. Good things we give them ice cream. >> They do. That's true. They get certificates to go to dairy. >> Okay. Just >> you wear your helmets. Good. >> Yeah. just concerned because it's gotten
so much worse and you don't see the ebikes coming and they go fast and the kids don't even they're not even looking and they're very quiet and then the people the the children that are leaving from school they're busy on their phones not looking at anything like I know I've spoken to the crossing guard he goes
it's just a nightmare they're like you know it's like come on come on and they're not pay you know they're kids they're not paying attention and unfortunately they have too many distractions the other thing I had years and years ago I said if police want to sit in my driveway to catch speeders
because we have a lot more traffic in town and we do have a lot more speeding in town. Uh so they're welcome to >> I can tell you Sher that our our speeding tickets our traffic stops and speeding tickets are way up >> great >> from previous years in the last two
years since I've been police commissioner has nothing to do with me. >> And is it mostly Old Tapan Road? It's it's it's Old Fan Road and it's popular road, >> you know, on the reservoir. >> Okay. >> As it was when I was in high school. >> Yeah. It's just um to to bring attention
to the fact that it's >> they're very proactive about that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anyone else from the public? Wendy, come on back up. >> Wendy, >> that's great. >> I just have a question. So with when we
were kids, there were mopeds and my friends had to be a certain age and they had to go take a certain safety class and then they had this little mini license plate on the back of their mop >> and they had to wear a helmet and do all that stuff. So is there a way to do that
with ebikes and minimum age? You have to have the helmet, you have to take a safety class. I mean to run a wave runner in New Jersey, you need to go take a safety class. >> I think the answer is yes. I think it's in the ordinance. It's actually all regulated by the state under title 39 just like motor vehicles are
>> and we're going to the municipality is going to have some uh ability to control it but very limited because most of it's taken care of by the state. >> Yeah. Because I mean just having a license even because then if a police officer sees the kid they can at least know whose mom >> be regulated as much as we're able to regulate it. >> Okay. Yep.
>> Okay. Do I have to get up? >> You got to get up. Um just to let you know there is legislation that is pending. >> Got to get you on tape. Okay. There is leg Dorene Feifer 12 Windsor Place. There is legis uh legis legislature that is pending now. There
are a couple of senators than assembly people that are already looking into this matter. >> Okay. Excellent. Keep us surprised if you will. >> All right. Uprised. Not surprised. Not surprised. I'd rather be surprised. >> Anybody else from the public? >> Motion to close.
>> Oh, somebody else. I'm sorry. >> Yes. >> Completely. It's a personal matter. It's all right. It's open. >> Yeah, it's Yeah. Yeah, sure. >> Name and address for the record. >> Pontari, six court. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
>> Ponta Alari, six simur. >> Okay. So, hello everyone. >> Hi. Hi. >> Our issue is that our street is almost fully lined with Crimson King Norway maples. >> Here we go. zone. Okay. Well, some of
them have been removed for whatever reason over the years, but when we purchased the property over 7 years ago, um there was a privacy fence, uh natural privacy fence in between these trees. So, that fully covered um I guess the
backyard. And one of the reasons why we love the property so much is because we had that privacy. But I guess what happened over the years is that these maple trees or in particular one of them, the roots grew so strong, uh, thick, deep, and horizontal that it
killed off the other trees. So, we ended up removing them. We had no choice. They were all dead. Now, fast forward years later, we'd like to put up that privacy fence again. So, uh, what we'd like to do and with your permission is to remove that one maple tree, just the one, and
in its place for the privacy fence, plant about 16 to 30 other trees. >> Is that a burrow tree? The one you want to remove? Is it owned by the town? >> Yes, I believe so. I told you. Yeah. Come here tonight and ask for your permission to do so.
>> I think somebody needs to look at the tree. >> I think we got a present. The tree has been looked at >> by our building department. >> Yes. >> And what was the verdict? DW Andy Brackenberry. >> The tree is fine. >> Andy, right? >> Yeah. Andy, he's great. >> Well, the tree is fine. >> Tree is fine. >> He said the tree is fine. Interesting.
>> But it's causing other adverse kids. >> Well, the roots have grown out at least, I would say, 10 ft on each side. >> So, >> and the only way to put up the privacy fence where it would make sense is to remove just that one. >> Yeah. >> So, you say privacy fence, you're talking about tree, a tree. You talking
about a natural giant or something like that? >> Yes, we got fine. Green giant. >> Yep. >> Something to me. I'm sorry back there. >> Um the three trees I don't know if this makes a difference that we're thinking of planting are uh Murray Cyprus,
supposedly deer resistant, but we don't know. Um the other one is Norway spruce and maybe skyrocket juniper I think it's called, which they're telling us is also deer resistant. So, you're just looking for permission to cut down the tree.
>> Yeah, just that one tree so we can >> How do we go through this? We got to go through >> have to go through building >> a new um >> It'll be a tree. It's a tree removal permit, but it's a live tree, so they're going to not be happy about that. And it's a burrow tree, so they're not going to be happy about that.
>> But they're putting up other trees. >> No, no, no. I understand that. >> So, >> so what I what I'd like to do is I'd like to have Council President Boyce. >> Yes. landscape architect by day. >> Yes. >> Council president by night. >> Yes. >> To go look at that with Andy.
>> I will. >> And say, "Okay, it's a live tree. It's this and that, but it's your opinion. It's causing this problem. >> I'm on it." >> And bring that back for next meeting. And we say yay or nay. And >> can I just add one more thing? I'm so
sorry. It does break my heart to have to pull up this tree. >> Mhm. But like I said, in its place, we're going to plant so many others. Okay. And >> did you say like 16 or something? What did you >> 16 to 30 depending on which of these three trees? >> This is where I don't like our ordinance.
>> Well, it's taking away a tree. Who cares? They're planting 16. >> But it's a burrow tree. I know. Trouble is bur tree. >> Yeah, it's a burrow tree. >> The other quandry is that it said it's a Norway >> maple, right? And things generally do not grow below Norway maple, >> right? I know. So, we lose biodiversity
because of it. >> Fair point. Fair. So this has nothing to do with the permit. This has to >> Yeah, but I still need a permit that I >> Okay. >> And just I'm sorry. One more point to add is I don't know why like because maybe our entire backyard is exposed from you know the side of the property.
People just walk in there as it like No, no. I'm serious. It's so strange like delivery >> for candy. >> No, >> the people that are going to stay on the sidewalk. >> Nobody comes to our street for Halloween. We always get candy. Nobody comes. But um anybody Yeah. like the
delivery people. >> All right. So, we want to >> Yeah. They just walk up and put it on the >> You want to get your privacy back? >> Yes, please. >> All right. I'm on it. Councilman Voice, DPW Superintendent Brackenberry. We'll look at that. He'll bring He'll bring his thoughts back next week. Okay. Two weeks. >> Sweet. You come back.
>> No, you don't have to come back. We You can leave your name and number. We'll We'll call you. >> Okay. >> Well, you can come back. >> We'll come back. You're welcome to come back. >> Thank you very much. >> Yeah. No, you might not want to come back. >> No, you you should come back. Okay. >> Thank you. No, it's so much. Sounds like
a very reasonable request to have his their address. >> Um, and >> yeah, your address again >> sixerson exactly. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Um, anybody else from the public like to be
heard? >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> Favor. I >> um entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> Second. >> Second. Okay, let's go right into our executive meeting. Uh, roll call, please. >> Mayor Gallagher here. Council >> here. >> Council Boyce here.
>> Councilman here. Councilman >> here. >> Here. Okay, let's go into our engineers report. >> Hi, Tom. >> Hi, Tom. >> Hi, Tom. >> My leg's a little asleep.
start doing labs. >> Thank you. Good evening, everybody. I just have a couple small items. Not a heck of a lot going on at the moment. Um I did check on the Central Avenue handicap ramps on my way in tonight. I expected that that work was underway,
but it apparently is not. So, I will follow up on that and figure out what's going on. Um, there's nothing from the burrow end or the county end that I'm aware of that would be holding that up. So, uh, I will follow up with the contractor. I actually emailed them already this evening, but I I'll follow
up again tomorrow. Um, and then the thing that we are most focused on at the moment is tax map updates. >> Um, so it's kind of a big job, but but we're in the middle of it and that'll be done in the in the next I would say month max. Uh, and that's all I have.
So, if you have any questions, >> who's drafting those tax map updates? You are. >> Yeah. >> Fun. >> Yeah. All right. A lot of it, you know, the larger stuff you get from the developer, >> but when you bring it in, it doesn't fit
right. >> Yeah. >> So, there's a lot of playing around, but it's >> not that bad. >> Okay. One question. Sure. uh would you be available to meet over at uh right across the parking lot and help me help
you help us together figure out a better means for handicap access to the above the firehouse area for all the seniors >> from the municipal lot to the firehouse. There was a ramp. >> Yeah, we we had looked at that at one occasion. It's it's tough.
>> It's really very tough. You're not going to get something fully compliant unless you the ramp would have to literally go back, you know, switch back multiple times. >> It's too much of an angle, too much of a degrees. >> We were talking about moving the opening over >> the driveway >> to give us more real estate.
>> Yeah. So, if you combined moving the burrow hall, driveway entrance hall, >> we could do that. >> Move it up. >> That that frees up some space. But still, I think it's at least one switch back with a ramp. So, it's going to be a
bigish project. >> But if we touch it, we have to do it right. Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So, you guys, >> is there is there any way that the fire department will consider closing that driveway? >> Maybe.
>> Isn't it our our driveway? >> It would it would >> give more space there. >> It's burrow burrow the whole way. Well, entertain if if that's something that needs to be considered. >> And you buy a new truck, then
>> um yeah, they'll if that's something that should be considered to make it accessible, then I'm sure they'll consider it. >> So, however the best way to get it done. >> Okay. Anything else for Tom?
All right. >> Thank you, Tom. >> Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Um, >> what's that? >> Okay. Okay. Um, all right. Next on the agenda is a council vacancy candidates
is how it's written on there. Um, want to give a little bit of uh an update or or uh what has happened. Um so we unfortunately had uh Councilwoman Masaro um she resigned from the council
at our September 15th council meeting. Uh the next morning I advised our county committee uh chairperson of the vacancy in which they had 15 days to meet and to bring um three names back to this council.
Um county committee met on October 1st. It was a Wednesday evening. went kind of late to the evening. Uh I was notified by way of text that the county committee uh interviewed um five candidates for uh
for the open position and selected three of which um I was notified of the three candidates that uh that um came out of county committee. Um, no background info was provided by the
county committee, uh, at least as of today. Uh, as per state statute, uh, this council must must, um, appoint within 30 days. Uh, 30 days would be October 15th. Today being the
6th or so, uh, we will not be meeting, we will not be meeting until the 20th again. Uh so therefore um uh based on the uh information that we have, we have I don't know if I can name the three names. Can I can I name? So we have a uh
uh Scott Oorc um was a considered candidate. Um Donna Costello was a uh considered candidate. And I'm sorry J, you know the last name. >> Andrew Batina. >> Betterina. >> Verina. Uh were the three. So um that's
where we are right now. Can we take a nomination? >> Yes. >> Like to nominate Donna Costello for that position. >> There a second. >> I will second that nomination. >> Um let's have some discussion on that >> if anyone wants to discuss >> after reading. Uh I mean there were in
not exactly there was no information coming from county committee but there was an email that Jyn sent out. Thank you. uh requesting background quasi re resumes I would say fromates from the three candidates which we which I read this afternoon late and um I was
impressed by hers >> not by the others >> I definitely thought she had the most qualifications to fill the role >> right not that the others were were lacking I just like the best >> has everybody provided that or >> has everybody provided
>> I didn't get anything via email or any I only gave it to people that asked. >> I don't know you submitted anything. >> I expected each C councilman to reach out to the candidates themselves to find out information. >> Oh, >> no. Nothing came out of the county committee back to the council.
>> Right. >> Right. So, I thought we were going to interview them. >> I don't think we do interview them. In fact, that's what county committee does. and they bring three names back normally uh with a little bit of a bio um you know on they served on school board, they served on planning board, they've
done whatever they've done. Um but there was nothing that came back from county committee. So based on it's a small town and a lot of people know a lot of people and uh I know that I've I'm not even a voting person here, but I know I've worked with Donna Costello on the uh town day committee. I know she was a
former school board person. Um, I know Scott a little bit from his ambulance core uh stuff. I don't know the other gentlemen. Um, so >> well, Don is a great pick. Really good pick. I'm just saying that I wasn't provided anything. So, I wasn't even
aware because I've never done this >> that I should have reached out to >> me. Neither did we. Yeah. No, I've never done this. >> Someone took it upon himself to do >> the county committee should have >> I felt like I couldn't make a educated vote unless I reached out to the county. >> I agree with you. That's exactly what
I'm That's my point. >> Okay. >> I happen to be talking to Jyn today and he said, "I'll send it over to you." I said, "Send it over." Okay. So, >> we have we have a Go ahead. >> No, I'm just I think we've each had interactions or know of the candidates
and that would be kind of a diversified opinion here about when you know when we're voting as opposed to if we >> maybe if we sent a bio of one and not the other two, maybe it's a little biased or whatever. So I you know that I have limited information but I'll vote on based on what I know and not what
everybody else either provided to me. >> Got a bio from all three. Okay. >> So you took you were proactive on that. >> Okay. >> I didn't pick. >> Yeah. I I would have I would have thought again my first rodeo on this thing too. Uh I would have thought that the county committee would have said all right we met you know we're giving you
three names out of five for a reason. Um but never really got a reason. So Councilman you said well I'd like to know a reason. And >> all right, we went for it. So >> So you had all their emails or phone numbers? >> I did. >> Oh, that's impressive. >> I didn't I do know all three from uh Okay. somewhere or another.
>> All right. So Oh, yeah. Like I said, I'm good with D. I'm just >> But but like you want I would have liked to have interviewed them myself or >> get a report of the interviews that the county committee had done. Right. So then so that would kind of replace my interaction with the candidates. That would have been great.
>> That would have been awesome. But and I I think the the state statute is a little bit kind of odd. I don't know if it's one of these things that needs to be looked at, but they had 15 days uh to to uh to meet, I believe. Right, Brian? >> To submit the names. >> To submit the names and uh September
15th to October 1st, we can call it after hours, so I'll give him a pass. Uh and then today being the 6th, uh we have only until the 20th uh to uh uh to act. So, uh we're somewhat under the somewhat
under the gun. So we uh um we can make that decision this evening. So >> I'm good for a vote. >> Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Okay. Uh no more discussion. We'll go right to a roll call.
>> Councilman. >> Yes. >> Councilman Boyce. >> Yes. >> Council Guantan. >> Yes. >> Councilman Marty. >> Yes. >> Councilman Hugh. >> Yes. Okay. Uh I'd love to uh uh get with Miss Castello sooner than later um and
uh administer her oath of office and she's welcome up on the on the das here at any time I can get with her and and swear her in >> next meeting. >> We lose a woman. >> There you go. >> You guys need a woman up there. >> You think? Huh? >> She is.
>> She's a very good candidate. Incredibly bright. I think she's going to do very well. >> Awesome. Great. Thank you. >> Glad to hear that. Good feedback. >> You can swear her in on the 20th or just her in >> if she's wearing >> I could. Yeah. Um maybe someone could
maybe you can give me her contact information, Jen. I'd be happy to reach out. >> I'd love to reach out to her tonight actually. >> So then they'll bother putting it on the if she'll be a regular council person by our next meeting. >> I would I would hope so. Yeah. >> You know. Okay.
>> Uh otherwise at the very latest it'll be at the next council meeting. Okay. Because I would put it at the very beginning whenever >> Mr. Mayor just reach out to her, see what she would prefer. I would say, well, we could swear in before right when our next meeting starts, right? >> Yeah, that would be the very latest.
>> Yeah. But if you want to uh uh do it prior, I'd be happy to. Uh >> I just mayor. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. Um Okay. Where are we with that? Um, any
>> council committee reports? We'll start with councilman tonight. >> It's my congratulations. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I want to apologize in advance. It's a little lengthy tonight. Report of the seniors. Our seniors will be going on a field trip tomorrow to West Point where
they'll take a tour of the academy, have lunch at the the hotel, and we'll end the trip with the boat ride down the Hudson River. On Thursday, October 23rd, they'll be attending an international lunch and learn focusing on Greek culture and cuisine. I'm sure Anna will
be there. Reporter DPW, our committee will be interviewing candidates tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully, I'll announce a new hire by next meeting. Uh there's a free paper shredding event at our DPW facility from 9 to 1 on Saturday,
October 11th. And just a couple of items they took care of in the month of September. Um they're happy to say their new hire, Sal Porceli, started on 29th and he just finished the safety training and he's doing very well. Uh m uh joining with
the department, they installed a new hot hot water heater at Stone Point temporarily installed a historical blue plate sign at Stone Point. I think that's what um um the historical committee was working on. >> Yes, >> Sam Peterson.
>> Sam was doing that, huh? >> Yep. >> Uh chipping has been completed this year. They prepped all our leaf machines for the uh leaf season coming up. Pressure washed and cleaned all the playgrounds. Finisher finished a last round of
sweeping. Prepped for town day, which was unfortunately postponed. Thanksgiving attended I'm sorry attended various meetings including safety meetings, OEM meetings, court EOP meetings, curving project
meetings and um leaf season begins on October 6th and ends December 1st. Report from the construction department. I'd like to welcome the employment of
Sean Smith to our department. He will be helping us um enforce our tree ordinance. And like I said, he does this in Crescill. So, he knows um he knows his job very well. A couple of highlights from uh construction permit
activity report. From the month of September, the department generated a total of two $35,283, bringing the yearly total to $35
$35,479. [Music] uh recreation department. The new date for town day is October 25th, Saturday, starting at 100 p.m. at Stone Point. And that just so happens to be the same date as our annual Raga
Muffin parade at Oaks Point Oaks Park starting at 11:00. Another issue that Gloria has brought up to me, I think I emailed a couple of you or maybe just the mayor and Anna, they've been dealing with a lot of deer
uh dropping issues at on the soccer fields. And as you can imagine, it's not a pleasant experience having the kids run around most of the time, you know, tackling each other on the soccer fields when there's a lot of deer poop around. So, they hired a third party to start
picking up all the deer droppings. That's been costing the department about $1,200 a month right now. Um, we're going to be talking about a a longerterm solution next budget season, but they got it covered for the rest of this
year. Uh, report from the fire department. This is uh fire safety week. This week, our volunteers will be visiting our local grade schools to talk about fire safety tomorrow. In the evening, both the fire department and the first a
corps will be hosting visitors at their o annual open house. Uh it's always proven to be a great time. And the fire department this year will be putting on an exhibition on um
vehicle extrication this year. So, no bonfire this year. They'll be doing a demonstration on vehicle extra extra extrication. Call stats for the month of September. Up until today, the fire department had
30 calls for service totaling 119 manh hours. For the year thus far, um we're up to 177 calls for service totaling, 151 man hours.
Part of their training in September, theft cond conducted a joint training exercise with Spark Hill and Alpine Fire Departments. This allowed theft to practice working with towns that they don't often get to work with. Apparatus
report. Squad is still out of service. It's it's expected back sometime this week. The engine is in service. The tower is in service. Marine is in service. Um, the rescue chassis that's on order is expected to be
painted this week or next. And Mr. Mayor, that concludes my report. >> Thank you. One one quick comment. Soccer players don't tackle each other. That would be football. >> That would be a penalty. >> We tackle the ball.
>> Sorry, J. >> That's all right. You tried. You did good. >> On that note, Councilman Guan, your report. >> Oh, I'm up now. Yeah, you're up now. >> Jin can follow me here. Um, really quickly. So, library, uh, first thing is the craft fair is, uh, December 6th from
11 to 4, uh, as the main fundraiser this year for the library. Uh, vendors are looking for vendors. Um, >> when is it again, I'm sorry, >> December 6th from 11:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. Uh, they'll also be giving out library
or selling library totes as well. Uh second, at the library, uh the in honor of bench for uh Susan uh has been received. Uh they have not assembled it yet, but once they assemble it, they'll put it uh out front. Uh third, budget
season is approaching. Uh so they're getting ready for uh their 2026 budget. Uh number four, uh they've been updating the library policies, which have uh are very old. So, they're going to update them, especially with the new uh head
librarian. Uh five, they've been fixing sinks, faucets, uh water fountain, and refrigerator. So, they've been busy doing some repairs there. Uh they're also looking to hire a new worker. I don't I think someone had resigned, so I think they're going to replace uh that
person. Uh also, they've been getting a landscaping quote uh for the landscaping around the library. terms of OEM Andy's report uh very briefly here they went to training which was held by PSENG at the fire academy
which uh showed them how to deal with gas emergencies. Uh they also went to the quarterly safety meeting with the GIF. Uh also the quarterly county OEM meeting. Uh they also met with Perryweather uh the lightning detection system uh company
and they also interviewed uh prospective candidate for the new deputy position. Uh and then in terms of finance uh Jesse I think you distributed the uh budget prep sheets to the department heads. So we're getting ready for uh budget season
a couple of months before the end of the year. And that would be the end of my report. >> Thank you sir. Councilman my >> uh thank you. Uh very brief uh board of health uh they're having a um for the OT uh mayor's wellness campaign uh the
mental health book club Tuesday October 14th 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. at the library. Uh discussions will be spearheaded by uh Mr. Greco who's a clinical social worker and um Dr. Batia who is actually the chair of the board of health. Um, in
case you're wondering, the book is The Happiness Files: Insight on Work and Life. Um, and should be a good discussion. Uh, also, um, Sirro Celingo, hopefully I pronounced that right. He resigned, uh, from the board of health.
Um, I spoke with Dr. Batia just to kind of get an idea of, um, how they wanted to, um, you know, fill his seat. Um and they just kind of recommended that we make um the alternate one which is um
Sarah Jit Singh uh who is the alternate one just kind of >> up. >> Yeah, exactly. So I told her I would bring that up and I didn't think that it would be a problem. So um that is that. Uh the schools I spoke with the superintendent today, Dr. Diao.
Obviously the school started in September. She says she has nothing new to report for the month of September, but she did want to pass along a sincere thank you to the mayor and the council for all the support to schools. She did say um that next month we will probably be getting some news and I think it has
to do with what we discussed a couple meetings ago um with regards to um the building first aid core. I'm going to have to push it off to the next meeting. Um I shot an email out to the chief, the deputy chief u the president. Um just I wanted to get some numbers and kind of
get an idea of where we were with the ambulance purchase. I haven't received the response. Um so I'm going to follow up with them again and see if um we get some information. So that's all I have. >> One two um well two things all regarding board of health. Um
>> could you So we had a lot of conversation last two meetings about deer. Okay. Uh and and Lyme disease and tickborn disease. Is there any uh um anything that comes out of the board of health locally that they are seeing a rise there? Whether it's prevention,
whether it it's not a deer problem as as the person said tonight versus it is a deer problem as the person said two weeks ago. Is there something that the board of health can kind of you know um guide us on in a way uh because again perception is that Lyme disease is is
growing in our area. Whether that's true or not, I don't have any facts to back that up. >> I do. I mean, in my in the agricultural community, it's it's an issue. >> Okay. >> So, I can tell you that >> it's always been here. It's just being diagnosed better now. Okay. >> So, now they're saying, "Oh, look, all
these people have Lyme disease." Well, they probably did in the past. You just didn't diagnose it right. >> Okay. >> The other thing is you can have plenty of ticks without deer. People think if you have deer, oh my god, there's going to be ticks. Well, they're a host for ticks, but the ticks are here anyway.
just >> Okay. I just Yeah. I'm not That's not my uh >> Yeah. Hey. >> Yeah. No. Um >> but maybe there's something. >> Yeah. So, it's not mine either, but I will um >> put the feelers out there. And just to touch to his point, um he's I think he
he was spot on by saying that it's um diagnosed more properly. So, if you look at what Lyme disease does, which is the main cause from ticks, it's multifaceted. So, it can cause uh heart block in in cardiac patients. It can cause it can cause so many things that I
think a lot of the stuff was just underdiagnosed. Even in my realm right now, if we have a patient that comes in to the emergency room and their heart rate's in the 30s, the first thing they're testing for is Lyme disease. >> Um, and if they come back positive, we're going to hold off on putting a
pacemaker in that patient because the studies have shown that it might subside after time. >> So, but I will find out more for you. >> Uh, last thing on board health and and EMS. You you have responsibility for both. Um, I think it's a good idea to bump the alternate up. You think there's uh, you know, board of health and what
EMS does and uh, you know, maybe there's a uh, a junior person, maybe there's a person on EMS that wants to be an alternate on the board of health. >> Sure. >> Might be a good strategy there. >> I don't. No. So, uh, >> yeah. >> Um, you know, maybe. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Speaking of for, they do have an
adoption event on Sunday, October 12th. the flyer will go out. >> You going to put it on the website? >> I said option. >> Yeah, that was something I think someone just stumbled upon and the timing short timing, but we'll see.
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Councilman. Uh, Council Beni, >> um, please report will be ready for their our next meeting at our public meeting. I doubt I do not have a report tonight. >> Okay, fair enough. >> Quick enough, right? >> That's quick enough.
>> Council President Boyce. Can you beat that? >> Yeah. Well, I couldn't, but I'll try to speak a little bit about the golf course because it's very exciting. We're getting new bunkers. That project is underway. Um, we're expecting it to take about
four weeks. The initial estimation was six weeks, so it'll be a little quicker than that. Um once complete, we're going to be speaking with the USGAA for a new rating or a rerating of the course either at the end of this year, at the beginning
of next year, which should bode well for additional interest. We currently have 264 members with 42 new members, right? Is resident versus non-resident still is a 50-50 split. Um, we are
uh let me go back to there has been a pesky little trench that runs away from the pump house that uh was neglected to be filled in since they've ran the wire over there. It's finally filled, punched, seated. So hopefully grass will grow soon thanks to to the our DPW. In
terms of total revenue, we are actually above budget by $38,000. That doesn't mean our expenses were below expense expenses. So, we're looking to curb expenses. I do expect
there to be um you know an a positive year for the golf course monetarily. I won't get into that anymore at this point. >> Uh the environmental commission met a few weeks ago. I think we're due for another meeting real soon here. Uh but what we thought about doing was creating
a comprehensive open space map of old depend using our GIS system which our DPW has. Now this would identify existing parcels in town that are either um owned by the municipality but also
private parcels in advance of us saying gee what do we do with our million dollars of open space funding that we have in the bank? Maybe we can identify some spaces and intervene at the right time. Ron, you have too much space >> for our budget.
>> No, but by you, you know, by using that money is it has to go towards building affordable housing. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. Right. >> Yeah. We can't go cutting grass or anything like >> nothing like that. >> Um >> that money only. >> With that money.
>> Yeah. >> And then, of course, we'll be working on all of our budgets soon. capital budget for the golf course is always interesting and the environmental commission as well. It's a lot less and the veterans as well. So that concludes my report. >> Any update on planning?
>> Planning board. >> Planning board. >> Uh just I don't think you met last month and you might have a crowded but if there's nothing really pressing then leave it alone. You you'll report after the next meeting. >> Yeah. I'm not expecting anything too crowded. Am I? >> No. There's a couple of applications but
I don't know if there will go on. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We've we've >> there's like four applications and two of them are very short. >> Okay. >> And we were not, as you said, we didn't meet in September. So, >> all right. Well, thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Uh, a couple of brief comments for me tonight. Uh, some of my uh happenings
over the past couple of weeks. I uh I enjoyed coffee with a cop at Starbucks uh last week or so. Uh, I think the police department was uh well represented on hand and uh I thought it was a nice uh nice event in town here.
Uh I did have the uh the honor to to attend the fire department inspection dinner and and address the uh members along with uh Counciloman Bagi. I would like to see just personally I'd like to see better attendance from maybe from our rest of
the council members at that event going forward if possible. Yes, you were there. Okay. Um, I I attended the corefire ribbon cutting, one of the new businesses up in the new uh uh the new shopping center there. It's kind of like
a Pilates type. They told me what it was and I forget, but it was uh some sort of training. Um there I attended the Northern Valley Mayor's Association meeting. Uh two topics that night was uh they had a representative talking about
the greenway uh the old CSX line that runs from like North Vale down to keep going but down to like Tennifly or Anglewood. Uh in Anglewood it's still a a live rail line. Uh and that they're moving ahead with a hike and bike type
trail at at glacier speed. Uh they do have um uh they they did finally CSX kind of reported as abandoned and that's kind of a good first step there. They also had representatives from uh Orange and Rocklin talking about the utility
bills and why it's not their fault. Um so a lot of questions were asked about how can they address the situation. Uh a couple of things I'm looking forward to this month is certainly town day on the 25th. It was reported several times tonight. Uh it's a great it's a great
event and I hope we have good weather. Uh our superhero 5K uh honoring our police, fire, and EMS personnel. If you're a runner, come out and run. And uh if you're not, uh please support the organization as and as they run by uh
Kim a high five. Uh, and then as I think Councilman, you reported um tomorrow night is the uh uh fire department and EMS uh annual open house 6:30 to 8:00 I think.
>> Uh kids love going there uh running around looking at all the equipment on both sides of the street. So u uh that's that's tomorrow night and uh that is all I have unless anyone has questions for me. If not, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. So move.
>> Second. All >> in favor? I. >> We're closed.