takes his seat a little. No, it's all right. Pinch up. Pinch up. One's up. Another one's up. Oh, there it is. Oh, you had one. Not that lucky. That all good. All right. Good evening
everybody. Welcome to our meeting. In compliance with the open public meetings law, notification of this meeting has been sent to our official newspapers and other publications circulated in the burough Japan and notice posted on the bulletin board at Burough Hall. Please be reminded that
all of our meetings are videotaped and and posted to our website within the next day or two. And please note the fire exits are at my left, your right as you enter the U council chambers and at the rear of the council chambers. Uh, roll call, please. Mayor Gallagher here.
Councilman Vanagi. Councilman Boyce here. Council Gu here. Council Martine here. Councilwoman Mero here. Councilman Y here. Would you please rise and join me in the salute to the flag? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing as Councilman Boyce uh leads us in prayer tonight. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Dear God,
you wield great power over our world and people. While many people need your loving care across the turbulent globe today, we also ask you to grant your local police department attention as we swear in two new officers today. These brave men and women come to our homes,
protect our children, and keep our businesses safe. You are the Lord whose great power and eternal wisdom embrace the world. Please watch over our police officers and protect them from danger. You've known them longer than we have and we pray that you continue to keep
them safe, disarm any weapons used against them, and please help them um through these dangerous times. In Jesus Christ's name, amen. Amen. Amen. Excellent prayer. All right, I'll entertain a motion to start uh to open the meeting to the public on a
non-aggenda item tonight. So move second. All in favor? I. Would anybody from the public like to be heard on any matter tonight? Motion to close. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Our uh next order of business.
Um Pen is very fortunate tonight to be swearing in two new patrol officers to our police department. And I will ask uh council president to read the first of two appointment resolutions. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Resolution. Whereas the
police committee and mayor and council have recommended to the mayor and council that Zachary Woods be appointed as a patrol officer in the police department of the burough of Voltapan. Now therefore be resolved by the mayor and council of the burough of Alapan, county of Bergen, state of New Jersey,
that the recommendation of the police committee is hereby accepted. Be it further resolved that the appointment of Zachary Woods as a patrol officer of the police department of the Burough of Alapan is effective on June 17th, 2025. Be it finally resolved that certified
copies of this resolution be forwarded to the police chief and patrol officer Zachary Woods. Second. Any discussion on this appointment? Seeing none, roll call, please. Councilman,
yes. Councilman Guan, yes. Councilman Martine, yes. Councilwoman Misaro, yes. Councilman Yu, yes. Mr. Wood, would you join me up here and whoever would like to join you and hold the Bible? Okay.
Yes. Okay. Right hand on the bottom. I'm sorry. Left hand by I, Zachary Woods. I, Zachary Woods. Do solemnly swear Dolely swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States. I will support the Constitution of the United States and the
Constitution of the State of New Jersey. The Constitution of the State of New Jersey. And I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I will bear to duty favors and allegiance to the same and to the governments established in the United States and the government established in the United States and in this state and in this state under the
authority of the people under the authority of the people. I further solemnly swear I fly solely swear that I will faithfully I will faithfully impartially impartially and justly and justly perform all the duties of all the duties of officer patrol officer control
officer remember to the best of my ability. to the best of my ability. Go help me God. Help me God. Congratulations. You got a budget's tight. You have one right there. Okay. I was there thinking that
was it. Okay, our next appointment uh council president. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. resolution. Whereas the police committee and mayor and counsel have recommended to the mayor and council that Tyler Martinez be appointed as patrol officer
in the police department of the Burough of Voltapan. Now therefore, it be resolved by the mayor and council of the bur of Alapan County Bergen State of New Jersey that the recommendation of the police committee is hereby accepted. We have further resolved that the appointment of Tyler Martinez as a
patrol officer in the police department of the Burough Voltapan is effective on June 17th, 2025. We have finally resolved the certified copies of this resolution be forwarded to the police chief and the patrol officer Tyler Martinez.
Second. Second. Any discussion on this appointment? Seeing none, roll call, please. Councilman Boyce, yes. Councilman Guan, yes. Councilman Marti, yes. Councilwoman Misaro. Yes. Councilman Yu. Yes.
Would you join me up here? All right. Left hand on. Thank you for that. Everybody's white here. Okay. I, Tyler Martinez, I, Tyler Martinez, do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will
support the Constitution of the United States. I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. and all of the state and to the governments established in the United States under
the governments established in the United States and in this state and in this state under the authority of the people under the authority of the people. I further solemnly swear I further solemnly swear that I will faithfully I will faithfully and partially and partially and justly and justly perform all of the duties of the
officer patrol officer all the duties officer officer patrol officer according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability. So, how many guys? Welcome. Let's get you done. Anybody staying for the rest? We could take a
threeminut break if anyone wanted to stretch their legs or so. But anyway, we'll carry on. Hint hint. All right. Our next order of business is uh a staff appointment and that is for Councilman Mu. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. At this time, I'm happy to um recommend the
appointment of Mr. Steven Costalano for DPW mechanical maintenance lead mechanic. A second on that. Second. Any discussion on this appointment? Seeing none. Roll call, please.
Councilman Boyce, yes. Council, yes. Councilman Marc, yes. Councilwoman Mero, yes. Councilman Yu, yes. Okay. Uh, next we have a public hearing. It's ordinance 1280-25 for Councilman Bang.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, this is the second reading of ordinance uh 1280-25. Has to do with the salary ordinance. Uh, it's entitled an ordinance authorizing a special emergency appropriation funding for the engagement of special
consultants for a uh burrowwide reassessment. It was read on the second day of June. I'd like to open it up to the public for any comments. Second. Okay. Would anyone from the public like to be heard on ordinance 1280-25?
Seeing none. Motion to close. Second on that. Second. Okay. Councilman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh it's a resolution again, ordinance number 1280-25, the second reading. Uh whereas an ordinance titled an ordinance authorizing a special emergency
appropriation NJS-4A4-53 funding of for the engagement of special consultants for a burrowwide reassessment was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the second day of June 2025. Now therefore be it resolved by the mayor and council
of the borrowable to pan county of Bergen state of New Jersey that the said ordinance number 1280-25 be the same is hereby adopted on second and final reading and be it finally resolved that the burough clerk is hereby authorized and
directed to publish the notice adoption as required by law. Second. Okay. Any further uh discussion on this ordinance? Seeing none. Roll call, please. Councilman Boyce. Yes. Councilman Guan. Yes. Councilman Marc. Yes. Councilwoman
Misara. Yes. Councilman G. Yes. All right. Moving on for our council president. Again, he's going to have a busy night. Um, we have a resolution in front of us, our our housing element and fair share plan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, this a
resolution endorsing the fourth round of housing element and fair share plan. The mayor and the planning board worked uh long and hard on this. Um so here it goes. Whereas the burough of Altapan here in the burrow has a demonstrated
history of voluntary compliance with its affordable housing obligation evidenced in its third uh round. And whereas pursuing to NJAC 5 col 96 and 597
comma 221 NJ1 2015 Mount Laurel 4th. The bureau filed a declare de declaratory judgment complaint in the superior court law division seeking among other things a judicial declaration that its third round housing element and fair share
plan to be amended as necessary satisfied its fair share of the regional low need for low and moderate housing for swing to Mount Laurel doctrine and whereas that uh culminated in a court approved third round housing element and
fair share plan and a final judgment of compliance and repose um which precludes all Mount Laurel lawsuits including builder's remedy lawsuits until tw July 1st 2025 and doesn't give us a lot of
time and whereas the bureau continues to incorporate and implement its court approved third round housing element and fair share plan and whereas on March 20th 2024 Governor Murphy signed into law PL 2024 4 C2 which amended the 1985
share share fair share housing act here in the amended FHA and whereas in accordance with the amended FHA in the administrative office of the court's directive uh number 14-24 the bureau filed a timely
fourth round declar declaratory judgment complaint DJ complaint with the affordable housing dispute resolution program the program on January 20th uh sorry 22nd 2025 and thanks for bearing with me. Whereas in
the binding resolution of the DJ complaint, the bureau disputed the fourth round prospective need obligation calculated by the department of community affairs of 233 units and open and opined uh that is p prospective need
obligation was 121 units and accepted the present need obligation as calculated by the DCA of four units. And whereas the fair share housing center filed an answer to the DJ complaint um both objecting to the position taken by
the bureau and whereas a settlement it was entered into establishing the bureau's fourth round affordable housing obligation for present need at four units and prospective need at 212 units. And whereas an amended order was entered
by the honorable Lena Coreston of the Superior Court establishing the same on May 30th, 2025. And whereas the bureau authorized the prep preparation of the fourth round housing element and fair share plan to be presented by the board
planner John Zabbo of Burgess Associates. And whereas upon notice duly provided persuant to NJSA40 55D13 that the land use board and the burrow
held a public hearing on the fourth round housing element in the fair share plan on June 11th 2025. And whereas on the 11th day of June 2025, the land use board adopted the fourth round housing element fair share plan and recommended to its mayor and
council for endorsement. Now therefore it be resolved on the 16th day of June 2025 that the mayor and council of the bur of and county of Burton state of New Jersey hereby endorses the fourth round housing element and fair share plan as adopted by the burough of ultipan land
use board and almost be it further resolved that the mayor and council of the burough of ultipan pursuant to amended FHA and NJAC 597-2.1A submitted this resolution resolution for compliance certification for its fourth
round affordable housing obligation. The within resolution was duly adopted by the multipan mayor and council at a meeting on June 16th, 2025. Do I have a second on this?
Someone second. I'm sorry. Second. Second. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um any discussion on this before we vote on it? I think this warrants some kind of discussion before we vote on it. So
I'm So just to be clear, I know what happens if we don't vote in favor of this tonight. But just for the benefit of the public, what happens if this doesn't pass tonight by the council? Well, be before before I answer that or
attempt to or maybe Brian will uh I want to make sure everybody understands there's a lot of legal jargon in there, if you will. And I and basically what what the uh the committee looked at uh in layman's terms, if you will, is that
we really don't have any land to to build on. Okay, we that's that's a fact. So, what we did is we had to come up with some sort of um uh if certain commercial properties were to say, "Hey, we're looking at reszoning if need be
someday." So, with all that said, um what this plan says is that bystate plaza, which we're all um familiar with, uh and a couple of commercial buildings starting next door here, the medical building, the Spanishame office
building, and the Bank of America. um if and when they come to us and say, "Hey, we want to redevelop these properties uh by by zoning changes by ordinance
that we will that we will do is that they will be permitted to have a multifamily uh mixeduse element as part of those properties." Uh I like the plan. I'll I'll just I'll I'll I'll talk to the plan a little bit is that it
doesn't um it doesn't abut any of our residential neighborhoods. Uh it's it creates some sort of a downtown feel um uh town center if you will for for old one that is really lacking right now. Um
so again just in layman's terms that's what that's what this plan is is stipulating. Did I say that? Okay. Yes. Okay. Um, so with that said, uh, Jim, I'm sorry if you you had a question more on if we don't I just want to add on to that Mr. Zo's, uh, testimony that day,
the planning board meeting was very compelling. So, what it's going to do, it not only do we have to deal with um, the issue of building more units, affordable housing units, this, in a way revitalizes our kind of struggling
downtown area. So, I I'd like the plan, but just to be clear, he kept on talking about trip lighters that night. So, I think I can answer one of your questions is that if we don't go forward with this plan tonight, uh we and we miss the June 30th deadline is that it leaves us it
leaves old pan open. We we uh we lose all of our immunity. We lose all of our planning rights and the state can really come in and just take all of that away from us, which they have done before to other municipalities. to other municipalities. Correct. Yeah. So, that's the tripwire. Can you explain the
June 30 deadline? What like Yeah. Under the legislation that was passed uh last year and signed by the governor, um every town had until June 30th after you'll recall that in January we filed that declaratory judgment action that says we want immunity in the fourth
round and by June 30th we'll come up with zoning that will help us get to the affordable housing numbers that we need. That's what this does. And by statute, it has to be done by June 30th. Okay. So, it's voted on by June 30th, approved by June 30th. So, today would obviously
pass it would be within that time frame. Okay. Now, I like I saw the plan and it makes sense. My question is what happens if these owners during the round four timeline that we have, they don't want to do mixed use.
Well, perfect. Are we still No, but I'm saying are we still going to be on the all those units? No, we well it will ultimately in the next round, the fifth round, it would become part of your unmet need if they're not built. But all you have to do is make the property through zoning uh reasonably available
for housing and specifically affordable housing. This plan does that. And so you can't force a property owner to develop or redevelop their property, but this makes it financially feasible at least for them to do that if they desire to. And that's what we're obligated to do.
So then we'd be in compliance of that. We would continue with our immunity. Correct. Is it sorry is it financially feasible or u code feasible. In other words, we are allowing them to we have nothing to do with their finances. Right. No, but you have to make it you
have to make it reasonable like the the density so that it is in fact financially feasible if they want to. It you can't make it, you know, three units to the acre where nobody's ever going to do that. There's just not enough money in it for them. Okay. So, so if they
decide not to build, right, does this kick the what you're saying is we're kicking the can down. It buys us 10 years. Yeah. Every every housing round is 10 years. So, we just got finished with the third round. Now, this round goes till 2035.
And yeah, that what happens is any units that don't get built during this round become part of your unmet need, right? Going into the next round. And it's going to be the same process. Then we had an unmet need. We had an unmet need coming into this round and in all
likelihood we'll have one coming out. Okay. The other layer is that um there are design standards that the planning and zoning board can put into effect to safeguard the aesthetic and
functional integrity of the of the two air overlay zones that we just defined. Um, and the there's a special committee being put together with planning board members, town residents where we're hoping to have a a design sharet to really figure out what the town would
like to see in those places. Um it wouldn't be design guidelines that make it uh financially impossible to develop but certain standards you know maybe we look at our height requirements you know how how far back the parking lot can be from old to pan road things of that
nature you know pedestrian circulation requirements the list goes on site furnishings to just give a downtown beautiful they can be color schemed as well yeah so that's that'll safeguard the aesthetics of downtown old. Yeah, we we have uh and I
think we have until March of next year to kind of define well to to actually adopt the ordinances. Correct. Until March of next year. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, it does give us some time to define what we want to see in recent when we say define what we want to see
in the committee. Um the big question always about a grocery store. How does this how does that factor into this? I mean, can we So, you really my my understanding from John Zabbo is that you can't really stipulate that it has to have it will have a
retail uh mixed juice uh component to it. But if uh you know, in modern day supermarkets, it could have some sort of a more boutique store. Um but you don't feel that the the what's going to go in there, you might have one
of these super shop rights or Wegman's or something like that. And I don't think you can really hone in on saying it has to be um food service or something, but it does have to be retail. The other component we didn't we didn't touch on. There was a concern about too much retail. One of our
planning board members. So, actually the uh I think on this side this side of the street, it's actually mixed use and professional. So, it's more like a doctor's office, a chiropractor, dentist, something like that. and then the housing because we felt that there
was really too much between the enclave now what bystate may or may not do. Uh we didn't want to have too much retail and you know create too much you know vacancy. So we we felt it was better that to have some sort of professional uh component to it versus retail.
And with any luck we can dovetail the design standards with a new streetscape um grant that we're hoping to look at maybe next year. That's it. Anything else? We have some time. We we know we have to get in under
this and then we can we can kind of define this much better through the planning board uh and things like that. So, uh but this is this was really step one I guess or this might be step three by now but it's it's the next step. So, this plan was posted on our website for
at least a month now, right? It's 10 days or it was 10 days from uh from the 11th. So, June 1st, this was on our website. Uh, I did mention it in my newsletter. Mhm. Um, so, okay. Um, any more discussion? I
think we had a we read it. We had a second u court. Uh, roll call, please. Councilman Boyce, yes. Councilman Guang, yes. Councilman Martine, yes. Councilwoman Misero, yes. Councilman Yu, yes.
Okay. Uh, next we'll move on to our consent resolution once again for council president voice. I'm on fire tonight. Uh, thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Be resolved that the following resolutions placed on the agenda by consent require no discussion and the
same having been previously reviewed by each council person being in the be and are hereby adopted in their entirety by the mayor and council of the burough of Japan. And I'm just going to forewarn everybody. I'm pulling the shared services agreement special law
enforcement officer um NBOT um because it's still under review. So I'll start from the top. Bills and claims bid award 2025 road program contract award store tractor company Inc. DPW mower contract award uh Striker
Sales LLC medical chest compression device 202526 liquor um uh license renewals shared services agreement law enforcement uh sorry special law enforcement officers three ultipan board
of education confirm DPW mechanic maintenance lead mechanical mechanic appointment and confirm class 3 special law enforcement Officer slow three reappointments. Second. Okay. Any discussion on our consent
resolution? I'm sorry. Which one did you pull? Looks like NVOT. Yeah. NVOT. Third from the bottom. Why was that pulled? Are we not? They have they have the last minute changes on the contract that have to be reviewed. Okay. It's just not ready. Not ready. Okay. But we'll put
that on next meeting. Okay. Okay. Uh did I hear a second? Second. Okay. Uh, any further discussion? Not consent. Seeing none, roll call, please. Council, yes. Councilman Guan, yes. Councilman Martiz,
yes. Councilwoman Saro, yes. Councilman Yu, yes. All right, moving on to our engineers report. Tom, you're up. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, everybody. Hey, Tom.
Just going to mention a few ongoing projects. These are all things we're trying to get done or we will get done this summer. Um you just under your consent resolution awarded the 2025 paving program. Um so
we'll get contracts put together on that and u work will be done probably middle of July toward to the middle of August. The deadline in the specification package was August 15th. So, it'll be done while
school's out, which is um you know, typically what we're trying to get done. Uh two DOT projects. We have Perry Street drainage phase 2 and DeWolf section 7, which are basically um
drainage projects. There's more paving in the Dwolf project um at the end of the street near Orangeburg Road. Um, those contracts are set. So, I will be reaching out to both contractors to get firm dates on on when that work will be
started and completed. Uh, and then the last item I was going to mention is the Central Avenue crosswalks, handicap ramps. Um, I was actually just out there tonight gathering some additional information for the county. Um, I'll forward that to them. Uh, I'm dealing
now with Nancy Daris who's the the head engineer. Um Jason Alex is very helpful in that department but um she can actually get things done on a more expedited basis. Um, and I'm going to present to her, I actually have already
informally that, um, since we have to sign off on the ramps anyway, that they're ADA compliant, um, that we just go ahead and and get a contractor and authorize them to do the work once they finally approve the locations. Um, so that that could get done quickly rather
than have to go through the process of doing design plans and shooting grades and all that. Um, it can be done as part of the construction rather than prior to. And that's all I have. If you have any questions, I'll try to answer. You mentioned Perry. I know that's been a
The residents are okay down there. Yes. Okay. Yes. I mean, um, the Rosman's are going to be all over it. Okay. Um, but that's okay. Um, and I made sure she has my cell number if there's anything that happens. Okay. During the day, not
during the day, whatever. if she's got an issue, uh, I made it clear that she can get me whenever she wants. Okay, good. Thank you. How about a list of roads for the repaving program? Yes. This time around, we've got Perry Street, Library Parking Lot, Charles
Place, Pinerove Court, Irving Street, Firehouse Parking Lot, Leonard Drive, Senior Center parking lot, and Dearborn Drive. All right. Okay. The library is reimbursing the burrow. We're just doing the work because we would be able to get
better prices. We have a date set up for that. Not really. Not yet. It's tough to plan stuff out like that, right? Yeah. We just awarded tonight, so I've got to get contracts out. Um Brian will prepare contracts. We'll get those to the contractor. Um just like everything,
everybody wants to know well in advance when their road is going to be paid or when their lot is going to be paved. So maybe if they have a week's notice or something like that if possible that would help them out. And we typically I try to get about a week. Sometimes it's
a little bit less. The problem is it's so dynamic. Y I understand it with the weather weather contractor schedule machines breaking down. It's it's it's really hard to nail it down to a day. All right. Um but you know we'll do the
best we can. Yep. any headway on the crosswalks on central on central. Yeah, that's um I mentioned I was out there tonight gathering some information for the county. I'm going to deal directly with Nancy Daris at the county. Okay. So that we can just um
I'll get two contractors to give me prices and we'll just do the work rather than you know have to prepare a bunch of plans and everything for them to review. is going to allow us to just go ahead and do it because we've got to certify to it at the end anyway. Is this
something you think can be done before the next school year or Oh, yeah. Absolutely. This summer. Yeah. Everything I mentioned tonight is going to be done this summer. Then I have one question. Bush and Blanch, right? Where they meet, you
know how it goes into Phillis. Is that technically Harington Park or is that off the pan right at that bend? It's a weird It is right. All right. Park is just a little further down on right. So my question is when you're making that when you're on bush
and you're making a left onto Phyllis, there used to be a convex mirror there where you can actually see the traffic coming around the bend. It's gone. And I almost I've almost get been hit twice there cuz the person that what I think there's like bushes. It really is it's a
blind spot. Can we get a mirror there for safety? So I never remember that. I actually inquired about a mirror kind of near convex. Yeah. So DPW said that uh the utility companies will not allow mirrors on utility poles. So if we do a
mirror, it would have to be our own pole in our own setup. Right. So the easiest thing is to use their poles there. So we put up a sign. We put in a, you know, like a sign, right? And so if we're going to do it, it would have to be our own. You never remember the mirror there. Did they take your panel? May have never made a left there.
Yeah, my guess it it was maybe privately done at some point. I'm not sure about that. And the only concern I have is even with a mirror, obviously it's not a wonderful situation, but by the burrow
installing the mirror, are you taking on any increased liability? I don't know. It's the same as your rain garden philosophy. Yeah, it's I guess the question would be are we taking liability by not installing you may Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm
just telling you people whip around there and it's Yeah. It's a horrible horrible intersection. Okay. Is there any other way to improve the intersection? I know uh Councilman Bagi had mentioned that specific one last year. Um he was
talking about when you're coming off of Blanch onto I guess Phyllis. Um if you if you were if you were coming down Pearl Court actually trying to make a left on the Phyllis that it's people coming off of the main road. It's it's like a blind
spot there also to make the left to even get to intersection and he had asked about squaring it off cuz it's rounded. Um I know he had brought that up last June I believe it was. There's a little cheaper. Um yeah we were talking about the speed limit around that area Howard
anyway. Right. And that's better off making that a oneway. Why don't we uh defer to our police chief and traffic division and I don't remember mirror there, but let's let's let's I could have totally made that up, man. That's why I don't remember. Let's uh
let's defer to our traffic division and have uh chief and his department take a look at that and maybe come back with some sort of recommendations. Uh who wants to do that? One wants to do that. Can you talk to uh the chief? I
mean, I would ask Ron. I'll start off with an email. Okay. I can You want me to just Yeah, I haven't. Okay. I'll copy and then they can go on. Okay. All right. Anything else? Um,
anything else, Tom? Anything else for I don't have anything else. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. So, thank you, Tom. Let's move on to council committee reports. We'll start with Councilman Yu. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Really not much tonight.
Um I have no new report from our senior advisory committee. Our social services chair is always looking for volunteers to prepare and deliver meals for um for our nutrition and neighbors program. Please reach out
to me or Diane Besser if you'd like to participate. from our construction department. I thank Bob Rush for being here tonight to talk about um issues with our tree ordinance. Um I know it's still a work
in progress and there's more work needed to fine-tune everything, but Bob will talk about it uh with us in old in old business. Um I have a construction permit activity report to share with everybody today for
the month of May. We have $29,14 in in fee collections, bringing our total for the year to 191,340, excuse me. Um, our DPW report, our DPW
is currently searching for two new employees. one to serve as as an additional mechanic like we discussed during uh um our budget meetings and one to replace a laborer who had recently resigned. We advertisements are out. So
are they Anna or they they'll be out soon? Advertisements for our DPW positions already out. Okay, they're already out. And um following the meeting tonight, um the
DPW facility construction ad hoc committee will be meeting to talk about uh the the new project going on over there. Ad hoc. Ad hoc committee. Yes. Do you need a definition? Sure. Go for it. No. That concludes my report, Mr.
Mayor. Okay. Thank you, sir. Councilwoman Misaro. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, recreation update. First responder day at Camp Serendipity is scheduled for Friday, July 11th. OTPD, OTFD, and OTA FAC are
invited to this annual tradition. Campers look forward to games and meeting our town's first responders. Uh, thank you to Gloria for planning another great event this year. So, again, that's Friday, July 11th. First responders at Camp Serendipity. The recreation commission finalized its mission
statement. Special thanks to Craig Mer for drafting the final version which I will have for you the next meeting. And lastly from recreation, Christine Mosart has resigned from the recreation commission and the OTBSA board. We thank her for her contributions to the soft program and the commission over the past
year and a half. Uh youth council, thank you to Matthew and Ailen for attending tonight. Planning continues for youth council summer activities, including more technology sess sessions for our residents this summer. We have our year-end pizza party tomorrow at 4 p.m.
at the senior center. A forest cleanup is scheduled at Bonabel Park this this Saturday. Uh June 21st at 100 p.m. I had the date right. Right. Saturday is the 21st, I believe. Yes. So, Saturday, June
21st, 1 p.m. Bono Park. Uh, and this initiative has been led by Matthew Mansinelli. Special thank you to Councilman Yu and the DPW for providing materials and pickup. Um, and to Councilman Voice for engaging the environmental commission in this initiative.
And uh, Fire Department 43 Marine is out of service until for further notice. Rivervvil Fire Department is on dual dispatch as usual for any river and lake water rescues. We do still have the
rubber rubber boat for any storms. Um, and this is because 43 Marine is going to Edgewater Marina for repairs. On June 4th, a false alarm at NVOT occurred due to the fire alarm company failing to notify the Old Man Fire Department.
Multiple units from multiple towns responded, but I was able to inform Chief Anders that it was a drill. Uh, fire marshal Evan Cudson has been uh connected with school administration to ensure proper notifications going forward as they do at TBD and CDW. Uh,
and I'll have the monthly and year-to- date call stats for next meeting. Lastly, we held our first meeting of the street signs and names committee last Wednesday to discuss criteria for applications. And that's all I have. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Hey, quick question though on the the the
woman that resigned from the rec commission. Uh, you know, we've talked in this room about exit interviews and I don't think we did an official exit interview, but do we know why um this woman is stepping away? Uh, yeah. For her daughter uh is pursuing other sports
and pursuits and okay, she's uh supporting her daughter in that. Good. She served for a year and a half and did a lot for our softball program. So, we thank her for that. Thanks. Okay. Okay. Um, Councilman Marty. Uh, thank you, Mr.
Mayor. Uh, schools, last day of school for TBD and CDW is this Friday, June 20th, so we're going to see a lot of kids running around soon. Uh, and the last day for the high school, I believe, is June 24th. 25th for teachers. I'm
worried about students. All right. Uh, that's pretty much on the schools. Uh, board of health, Dr. Batia would like all to know that the mental health club uh, book club is going very well. Um they have different people from uh our town and neighboring towns taking part in the conversations. They do have
difficulty finding speakers for uh their talks uh but continue to ask uh local offices and hospitals for help. So if you know anybody um please let her know. Um they are planning uh to have a health fair in the fall and hope to include multiple new local vendors who are
joining the OT community. Uh lastly, she said that uh it would be great if she sees some uh mayor and council attendance at the book club. So if anybody's interested, have at it. Um first aid, um they have made their decision on the ambulance vendor that they will be using. They are meeting
tonight. I believe they were meeting at 6:00 to finalize their plan and um they will be meeting with the vendor uh later on this week on Thursday um just to go over the bill. Um and that is it. Last, I just want to wish uh the Army a happy
250th birthday, which is kind of cool and congratulations to all Army veterans in town. Yep, definitely. Thank you. Well, um Councilman Guan, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Since I was not here the last two
meetings, I'd like to take the time that I would have been aotted and aggregate it to this meeting if possible. Use it or lose it. A lot. All right. Very quickly, uh OEM uh completed the hazard mitigation plan uh with the state
and county as partners. Uh this will allow us to get funding on mitigation projects in the future from FEMA. Uh also OEM uh they completed or or they're working on the final phase of completing the emergency operations
plan. And then thirdly, uh starting to prepare for town day. Uh so that's the report for OEM. Uh the library uh library has had some pretty good numbers. Uh in May the door uh this is
people uh coming in and out of the library was 6900 or so. That would be up 24% from last May. May to May year to date uh plus 13% uh year uh from January
to May versus January to May from last year. Remember, library was closed for a week in February, right? So, we're still up 13% there. Circulation May to May of last year, plus 13%. Year-to-date circulation plus 37%.
So, remember our funding to the library was up this year, you know, high single digits or so, but again, more use of the library, whether it's people coming into the library or checking out uh materials. Uh they also the board actually the board met a couple weeks ago uh spoke
about uh fund the next fundraiser looks like it's going to be a craft fair and then uh also a food truck. So we talked about permits what we need to get uh what the library needs to get and and that's for the food truck uh at a library. Right. Uh and then I wanted to
go over highlights. What they had in the last board meeting was a Buckles representative. I have never met anyone from Buckles. I mean I know as much as you guys know about buckles in terms of the rules of um you know how much we need to fund the libraries etc. gave us
a highlight uh some highlights of what's going on especially from uh the federal standpoint right federal funding of some programs etc. I want to give everyone uh some highlights. Uh obviously it's one-sided, right? It's coming from Buckles, but if each of the libraries uh
so there's 78 members in Buckles. Uh for the collection uh combined about $200,000 per year. If each library was independent, it would cost each library $70 to $80,000, right? And so um you
know combining uh there's a lot of synergies uh by being a member of buckles in terms of cost savings for collection uh ebooks um is very important. Ebooks is growing right it's now about 20%
uh of content obviously uh and there's about 9% overlap between books and ebooks. So there's a lot of ebooks are just not in libraries that give everyone more um things to read. Right. and and to check out etc. So it's important uh
obviously this trend to e-content uh is very important uh delivery right so buckles is um really a system for delivering books so if you go to the ultipan library and you find a book um that's in hackinac the
turnaround of that book coming to the ultipan library is 48 hours and that's the buckle system 6 a.m. They load the truck of all the books. They go to every library 78 and redeliver uh the books that are requested and they come within 48 hours. Compare that to the New York
City system of libraries. They promise the book in a week, right? So, you know, obviously it's a little bit uh we're smaller in terms of numbers of books, etc., but fairly efficient uh system here uh in Bergen County.
terms of federal support for libraries. Um, in general, there's less support for arts, entertainment, libraries, etc. Uh, federal funding goes to the states and the states then would get hurt with less federal funding. But, uh, Buckles is not
in the state system. So, any cuts to federal library, uh, federal um, revenue to states is not going to affect Buckles itself. But what it will affect are these large database products. Um I don't know how to describe them, right?
But these when you're doing research, it's almost like encyclopedias but online but just like deep, right? Those will be those could potentially be cut because we tap into the state system for those um kind of large databases. Uh legislation potential legislation
going on at the federal level um or even state level econtent very expensive. We think of it as not so expensive because we don't have to print right but for some reason and I don't know whether it's because monopolies less publishers
etc econtent very expensive on Amazon a lot cheaper to buy a book online than it than it would be for our library system to do so. So, there's potential legislation to regulate the price of e-content, right? Uh, Buckles themselves
are coming up with a new 5-year plan. A lot has to do with econ, right, e-content and the transition uh to more of that. Uh, they're looking at their own administrative structure to try to save costs um for us as a library. uh their five-year investment is looking
into um products called Overdrive or Hoopla and really kind of integrating that into the hard copies uh of the library. So trying to be more efficient with kind of combining those systems. Um and that's it. So that uh tried to
pass along some of the summary. It was about an hour meeting in front of the board. Uh but I felt it it was more informative for myself, you know, us just knowing kind of what Buckles makes us do, but now understanding uh what services they would provide to us as a as a small library that if we had to do
it independently would be more expensive. It's an active library. I mean that it's always packed, you know, you know, living only a block or two away. It's there's always something going on there. So good. Thank you. Thank you, Council President. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
I'm filling in for Ron as you know. So I had the privilege of reading some of the accomplishments of the police department last uh month. So on June 3rd, PBA Local 206 held its award dinner at the Ultipan Manor. The PBA recognized uh Sergeant Di
Maria uh with an investigative service award and recognized her school nurse Natalie Bonjouro a civilian merit award which if you remember there was an incident on March 12th 2024 when the motor vehicle accident involved two
children's two children two children near the T Baldwin Demeris Elementary School. So without hesitation the school nurse rushed from the school to the scene. She was joined by police officers in providing immediate first aid to the injured children. Her swift response and calm professionalism is in a critical
moment exemplified extraordinary dedication and care. In recognition of her courageous actions, Natalie was honored with a civilian matter award, a tribute to those who go above and beyond the call of duty to serve their community. That's pretty cool. Congratulations to
Sergeant Wilkins who graduated from New Jersey State Chiefs of Police Command and Leadership program on May 20th, 2025. Sergeant Wilkins attended the class on his own initiative and personally funded the tuition. Uh the Command and Leadership Academy adapts US
military um West Point model of command and leadership to the needs of law enforcement. candidates from municipal, county, state, and federal agencies throughout the state are selected for this highly competitive program. So, he graduated from that was
celebrated in Lyncrooft, New Jersey with family and friends. And congratulations to Sergeant Wilkins. And then, uh, unfortunately, the touch a truck, uh, event was rained out, so that'll happen in the fall sometime.
And I've noticed here that a total of 1,5001 calls for service and special details were attended to in May 2025. That seems like an awful lot. 176 motor vehicle stops were completed
with 100 motor vehicle motor vehicle summones issued. That's quite many. Uh seven firearms ID cards were uh applications were received. That completes the police report for
now. Um there was one more really great letter of uh appreciation from a town resident because actually one more thing if you bear with me. Two of our um town heroes of Old Plant Police Department officers
Chris Riley and Dylan were um just helped Joan somebody's mom get up from a fall. She's 89 and she's been living in town for um since 1969. So, God bless these two officers who are so
professional, so kind, so compassionate, and wonderful. My mother and I are extremely grateful for their help. Please acknowledge their contribution and dedication to the Old Tapan community. They're simply the best. I left out last names. All right, so we
jump to the veterans. Uh we had our last meeting uh last week um but that doesn't mean that we are going to be enacted. Hopefully this summer we'll be building the and the new veterans memorial. Um
the wood has been ordered. Uh it'll be holding the flags suspended over the walkway. We have the pavers. We have the wall stone and the DPW will be clearing that site as soon as they're available. Um Frank Vendetti um awarded a deserving
NT NVOT student with the scholarship um this year was $500. Um I think I can say named Matthew Holidayiday. Um actually was provided that award and uh very deserving. I've known him since he was young.
And we just recently got more of our um uh banners for Oaks Park. So, we just need the hardware to flag them to hang them and that'll happen soon. So, the Veterans Committee, although not officially meeting over the summer, we're all helpful if anybody needs
anything. And lastly, the environmental commission is meeting, I think tomorrow, where we're meeting with Orange and Rockland to get uh down to the nitty-gritty about the process and procedure of removing the towers that run through our town. Um
everything from lead that might have come off of the paint to informing residents to the unnecessary removal of trees to future monitoring maintenance of the soil below will be considered in this meeting. And uh everybody in the
environmental commission is aware of this and is on deck to come to the meeting. Uh other than that, I think I think that's about it for tonight. Okay. Thank you. Anything on golf? Um I did get a complaint that there was
a outing um and that the chef quit that day. So there was no chef and Sam had to uh the general manager of golf had to be the both the bartender and the cook for for that outing which must have been very stressful. It was about 60 people
but uh I know that they're interviewing. I talked to Sam yesterday and and that's there. Okay. He was also running the kitchen last Sunday when I stopped by to to play and watch and he was doing both and also took the time to meet with me and uh discuss something. So, I give him
credit for for literally, you know, manning the kitchen during there. So, credit to Sam. Awesome. I can tell you that the golf course is in great shape. I had the opportunity to play around the golf today. Excellent. And it was in uh it was in great shape. I do have a question. Um
we had a discussion some time ago about a dog in a kennel and all that. Yeah. Whatever happened there or did that just go away or chase the geese? We haven't had the need for it because we our tao our people go there in the morning and
they have their normal on and it seems and they have a uh gun and they have like a boom gun. Boom gun sounds silly but it it's Oh, so they go in the morning and Yeah. So it's been working. Get get the geese moving in the morning and Did you
notice any geese issues when you were playing? Couple, but it wasn't extraordinary. No. Okay. They're on the fairway and I'm usually not on the fairway. All right. Get the piece in the woods. Thank you. Um, all right. I have a
couple of comments uh tonight. Uh, so one more for a question. I don't know if it's Christina or uh Anna. Concerts in the park. Are we set for July? We're all set. We're all set. We're all set. We just ordered a new uh banner or um Yeah.
banner that's going to go in. We need a new sign in the front. Okay. And it'll be out there. So, I will encourage uh uh from our burrow employees to our council members to everyone to please uh do your best to
attend. It's a it's a great small town uh event. And um so uh I know Janet's still very involved. Yeah. and I know she would like to see more of us at the uh at the at the shows. So, good. Well, it would be nice if we have someone
there who would introduce the bands at the beginning. We've never really done except I think you've done it once or twice. Yeah, I've done it once or twice. Yeah. Okay, I'll take a turn. All right. Um, so what else in the last couple of weeks? Uh, I did attend the kickoff to
reading at the library. I think that was last week. And I know our our EMS fire and DPW had presence there and um it was just a uh an event to kind of discuss kicking off, you know, as school ends,
encouraging our children to continue to read throughout the summer. So, it was a it was a nice uh it was a nice event. I also had the pleasure to attend the NVOT senior awards ceremony. Um, so it was very impressive to see so many young adults receiving various awards from
different organizations and uh I was I was touched with uh you know not only uh we have a graduating senior off to West Point, but I was as equally touched on a graduating senior who was recruited and and uh enlisted in the army and how they
uh recruitment officer came there and made a big deal of of that. So, I was I was very equally impressed with with that as well. So, uh I think that I think that was a nice touch. Um I attended the Bergen County League of
Municipalities breakfast a week and a half ago or so and the topic was deer management and they had representatives from the uh uh New Jersey D on deer management and I could spend an hour. I learned a lot. Uh it's a regional issue.
It's really not a town by town issue. Um, and you know, all all kidding aside, they talked about a deer's natural predator today and it's the only natural predator is an automobile these days. Um, talked about the history and why and
whether it's development or not. Um, one idea is to introduce mountain lions to old Japan and that'll take care of the deer problem. That was kind of tongue and cheek, but it was like the natural competit, you know, are are are gone. So, uh, uh, that that kind of chuckled.
You know, I know a bear walks through town and the whole town goes on lockdown. We start with kittens. Kittens. No, the deer relate to kittens probably. Um, and unfortunately really the uh uh and understanding it is a even D saying it's it's really a county issue
because if we do something and our neighbors don't or Rocklin County doesn't, it's it's not going to go anywhere. And some people don't like the what what they say, but u uh kind of a lethal uh method is probably the most
effective versus capturing and uh you know sterilizing and things like that. So it was a long very interesting I learned a lot. They eat six to eight pounds of vegetation a day in my yard. They like our flowers and shrubs much better than what you find around the reservoir or in the woods. They're
tastier. So they're not going anywhere. Um so but it was it was interesting. So that mayor that was um if I may please. I speak to a lot of residents about their plans in town and they've all had it up through here. I can't say universally they've all had it up to
here but most most have really are looking for guidance and what to do. And I said come to a mayor and council meeting and express your concerns. Yeah. because not only do they eat their vegetation, but they're they're scared they're going to drive into them. Sure.
Uh there were questions asked about, you know, what the insurance industry in New Jersey, what are they thinking about this? And, you know, how many uh accidents occur? Uh we talked about uh planning restrictions. You know, there are there are some uh you know, we have
our zoning officer with us tonight, but you know, are we getting to the point where we don't want them so much that we're going to start boxing in our properties with 8ft fences and, you know, and and clickers to get into our driveway? Um there was debate on that
and and uh so it was it was quite the interesting conversation. they'd be happy to come and speak to a meeting uh speak at this meeting sometime but I don't right now I don't about all the development they have us doing and eating you know they they kind of
steered clear from that a little bit um you know but the deer like it here um well they used to have a lot more land to graze on but but what they're eating here is yummier you know so anyway um that's on that that meeting my last
point is um kind of a small victory as everyone up here knows that we are part of the local leaders for responsible planning and um we had a a small victory in court. Um I'd like to read just two things that
that kind of came out of uh our our small win. Uh, this court order establishes that fair share housing center is not entitled to a preemptive re review of each New Jersey municipal municipality's plan for compliance with Trenton's housing mandates. So, prior
they were like, "Hey, we we have to see Alter Pan's plan." Well, now you don't. You know, last I checked, you're not a you know, another division of our government now. So, they said it's um um is is not entitled. Um, my other point
is the order also provides that New Jersey municipalities only need to submit drafts of ordinances um and resolutions that are proposed for compliance with the Trenton housing mandates contained in the law, not adopted ordinances and resolutions as a
directive provided. Uh this order demanded by LLRP ensures that our communities are not required to adopt any zoning changes at this time and that such actions are only required in 2026. So couple of small victories. What we're
going to do is they're going to be draft ordinances based on what we approved tonight, but we're not putting we're not cast putting anything in in stone. So those are two minor wins. Um, old Japan is proud to be part of this uh this coalition and uh I think we're one of 29
if I remember and uh so I think um I think that's that's a good thing there. And that is all I have tonight. We'll move into the action on the minutes for Council President Boyce. I have to pick those up. I'm sorry. I'm
unprepared to have so many papers today. Hold on. I think it's I don't think you're going to find it. I think you're just going to say this. Okay. Action on the minutes to get approved. Close session May 19th, 2025.
Regular meeting May 19th, 2025. Close meeting June 2nd, 2025. And regular and executive meetings June 2nd, 2025. Thanks, J. Second. Any discussion on the minutes? None. Roll call, please.
Councilman Boyce. Yes. Councilman Bla. Abstain all. Councilman Martine. Uh, abstain from May 19th close session. I was not here. Everything else. Yes. Councilwoman Misara. Yes. And Councilman
Yu. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Moving on to old business. Our first topic will be occult baseball association clay reimbursement. And Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. Out of respect for Bob, do you think we could talk
about the tree ordinance first? We can. Okay. So, under old business, we're going to roll right into tree ordinance discussion led by Councilman Yu. Thank you, Bob, for being here. Thank you, everybody. So about a month
ago, Bob approached me and he talked about some challenges he's facing with our uh permitting in terms of permitting and um enforcing our new tree rooms. So I asked Bob to come here tonight to talk about it and maybe some ideas to fix
things. Um yes. Um we have a very bu very very busy department. Um Jen, you witnessed it a couple weeks ago, right? Y and when the ordinance first came out, I I initially had said that um you know the building
department can certainly take in the applications, receive them and put them in a bin for somebody to do the review and that I really did not want this to be dumped on onto my lap. Now, since we've started with the ordinances, um
this is all of the tree applications that we have. There's over 80 tree applications. Okay, that um takes away a lot of time from Jennifer and myself um from people coming in that are disgruntled because they're arguing
about trees being dead. Uh they're hazardous. Listen, we all know trees are hazardous. Every tree over 20 ft in the state of New Jersey is a hazardous tree. Um but it's more arguments and complaints and time. I I actually visited a couple of sites with Anna when
we first uh had when we first had this ordinance put in place and it's it's really become a problem. What we need to do is we need to have one person that's going to be able to review the applications, go out and look at the trees, see if they're dead, see if
they're hazardous, um and then also follow up on all the replants. Now, we have a replant uh responsibility here, and we are not I don't have the manpower to go out and look at trees or or uh if it's a if it's a healthy tree that they've put in. Is
it a 2 and 12 in caliber tree at 4T? Um it it it's just a it's really a big problem. Uh we we do have the money that's coming in, you know, for the because we have a major and a minor uh uh application. And how much were those? Could you go over how much we collect
for that? I believe it's 75 and 225, but the 225 is generally because somebody is saying that the the trees are dead. Um, and then we have uh an individual that goes out from recommendation from uh Ron Bonagi. He goes out, he looks at um at
the trees. There's uh for his visit, he will look at five trees and then every tree over that is $25. Okay? So, some of these um you know, applications we get, people are paying $375 because we have to send him out to look at the trees.
Um but there's other ways that this could be done. Uh we could have somebody that works strictly off of a stipen that, you know, they can receive $25 for every application and they see that application from start to finish and they close that application
at the end. I I really think that that's the best way to go. Um, and would that be in your department? Like we we talked about maybe it really belongs in the environmental commission, right? Yeah. Some somebody I mean somebody that has some experience with
trees. Okay. Now, we have we don't have anything in our ordinance that says if the tree is diseased or if it's got insects or it's uh you know in in decline. Uh it's not exempt. You know the D model ordinance does not make that exempt. There are very few limitations
on what is actually exempt. One of them is a hazardous tree there. But who's to say that it's not a hazardous tree? Yeah. Every tree over 20 ft because you don't know what the root system is. Yep. Right. You get a heavy rain. Yeah. It could be a hazardous tree. Um,
I I I really think we we we should put somebody in place where Jennifer can receive the application, put it into the computer system so we have track of it, put it in a bin, and we have an individual that comes in maybe once or twice a week, grabs all of his applications, reviews them, contacts the
applicant, discusses it with them, meets him there, and then we'll follow up with his stamp of approval, and then that's it. And then follow up later to make sure they replants were replanted as as were on the application and things like that. Exactly. I mean, when I first
started here as zoning officer, we had 40 applications a year. 40 I mean, I'm at 80 applications on top of my 200 zoning applications and you have the report there on how many uh inspections and permits we do. Y So, you know,
building department is it's it's really really busy. Yeah. So, for the two I'm sorry, court. For the two days that I was there um sitting with them at at the building department, I heard a ton of complaints about how our tree ordinance how it's so confusing. You know, do I
really need permission to cut down this tree that's obviously dead? You know, I you need u I you have to get the opinion of an arborist to to cut down some of these trees. So, we're looking for a little bit of clarity and maybe take some work off of the construction
department. I'm sorry, Clark. Go ahead. So, the the ordinance is fairly new and you have 80 applications. In understanding the need for an additional resource, do you think the application uh is seasonal? In other words, because it's spring you got 80, but in the
winter maybe you only get 10, right? So, understanding matching a resource um do you need two in the spring and none in the winter? like like can you talk to about uh I mean I think I think having one person that just handles it and gets paid per
application. Right. Right. So So if it's slow in the winter they get paid less. What maybe he's got three this week you know like right I have I signed off on two this morning and I just came in tonight sat at my desk and I've got two more on my desk you know but it it's it's never ending. It's like every single day, right? You know, they're
they're coming in and then Jennifer, you hear Jennifer on the phone with she's arguing with them explaining, "Well, listen, I it doesn't say that it's dead. You can't give me an a a letter saying that the tree is dead because no arborist is going to put his license on the line, you know." And how many people
say that trees are dead? Every other applicant, oh, it's dead. It's hazardous. It's dead. It's dying. It's diseased. Yeah, I know, right? It's a 2x4 sticking up. Yeah. If it's got no leaves on it, it's dead. If there's leaves on it, it's still alive. Very simple. Okay. Thanks,
Bill. Do you think there's anybody on the environmental commission with maybe skills or qualifications to look at trees and make a determination? Should it be cut down? No. Can't have a volunteer anyway. Well,
they would collect I was thinking the commission would collect the $25 uh application fee and keep that in their account. No, the burrow collects takes a whole Yeah. Listen, nobody's going to nobody's going to take on the responsibility
as a as a volunteer unless you are retired. I agree. You know, I mean, and and have all the time in the world because it's busy and you have you have to be you have to be ready to argue. I'm I'm telling you, it's it's nothing but a it's a battle. It really is. This stuff
takes time away from the department. What are we paying the arborist now that goes out? So the arish that goes out is really only going out if they're um claiming the trees are are dead or dying. Um if they put a replant plan together, we don't send them out. Okay. Because now
they're they're willing to u replant for the tree as per the ordinance. But you know, I mean I think it gets $150. So what are we paying? 1550. Yeah. How much? About 1,500. So about 15 January. Yes. So we
paid 1,500. So um so we're paying them 15 applications 12 applications. Well, depending on what we're taking in, it sounds so so 1500 time, you know. So so 6 6,000 to
call it 10,000 a year per perhaps. We're bringing in though with this new newer fees, correct? Yeah, these are new. So we're bringing in revenue. Um absolutely. So it's a cost. It's a cost. It's a cost to run the department.
So, it's the same argument we had with the DPW fixing everyone everyone's ambulances and police cars and dump trucks. So, if it's making money, that's a shared service and this is not. It's just part of his budget. What's that? Well, I Okay. So, I get what it's not a
but but it's it's still the end. It's it's still at the end of the day, it's the same thing in a way. Yeah. We have to put something in his budget and then we anticipate a revenue based on that. Right. They Well, why would we have to put something in the budget? Riverville. You said Riverville. They have someone. Oh,
I wonder if we could do a shared service with Riverville. Riverville. I handle it in Riverville, but the engineer is involved. Okay. And our ordinance is not anywhere near what this is. And I keep I keep telling the engineer that, you know, he he sent it out to he sent out
their ordinance to the D. The D gave them the blessing for it. Um, Crescll sent out theirs and they said, "No, you need to adopt one of the model ordinances." So, our ordinance in Crescll is very similar to this, but honestly, there are there's no issues
with it in Cresco. I have zero problems with it in similar problems. We have I have I have one going on right now that's a problem because the guy got caught cutting down 30 something trees. It's a problem. It's been a problem for a week and a half, but up to this point,
did they have a tree ordinance? Uh, they always had a tree ordinance. This is brand new. Yeah. And we have to have an ordinance per D, right? Is this crazy different than what D says we have to have? No. No. I have both of the ordinances here and it's pretty much
it's almost right on. So, I have a question. We We have an arburist that goes out. He does a good job, right? Yes. Why don't uh why don't we just ask him if it's something he would want to do? I don't know if he's going to do it for I mean if he's what if you're telling me he's getting $150 to go out.
That's what you said, right? Well, he's that's not every application. So, he's not handling the application and dealing with the uh resident or the uh tree surgeon that's coming in, making the phone calls, going out and visiting them. That's not it. He goes out, he looks at the trees, gives us a report, and that's the end of it. Right. No, I
understand that. What if we approach him and if he's doing a great job and say, "Hey, is this something that you would be interested in?" He might be interested in and there will be a $25 application fee going straight to him then. I don't think if he's going out for 150, if you do 80 trees times 25,
what is he bringing in? You know, a lot of money. What's the right type of person? Is it some I mean, you mentioned said something about the paperwork and the followup. Is this a typical building department type person? like who in your mind who who should
have this Chris job somebody that's just looking to spend time busy somebody that can is organized so nothing to do with being an arborist just someone that's wants to stay busy then they have to rely on an arborist who make you a
person doesn't have to be an arborist right I don't think I don't think you have to be an arborist but you have to have some sort of background environment okay you have to be able to go out and look at a tree and say okay this tree is Our ordinance does not give any exemptions other than being dead. That's
it. But but the problem is is that everybody is claiming that they're dead or they're in decline or they're hazardous because they don't want to pay a fee. Someone has to make that decision. That's an arborist, right? Dead or is not dead, right? But they don't want to do a replant. Oh, I want to cut the trees down. I don't want to put more trees on on on my property. But
that's what D is saying, right? because I I at first glance I thought we were a little bit overboard on you know we've had off the discussions every tree I own is probably in the buffer zone right well we don't have it's nothing to do with the buffer zone it's it's if you
cut a tree down on your property you're either going to make a contribution okay for that tree to be replanted elsewhere in town and we're not exempt the municipality is not exempt if we cut trees down we have we're supposed to have a permit and a replant plan in place for ourselves so if The DPW wants
to cut down six trees. We need to have a replant plan in place, which we do in the ordinance. I remember seeing that, right? We do have that. Correct. What's that? A replant plan. Yeah. Well, no, I'm I'm talking about taking a lot of trees down. These ash trees that are dying. Yeah, we just we don't want back.
So, we're not putting those back. Gotcha. Yeah. Just because they're dying doesn't mean that they're dead. That's the problem. A different type of tree. Yeah. In Crescll. So the role that we're looking to fill, describe that kind of person in Crestll,
their skill set. Well, that person is me. Oh, that is you. Yeah. But I have a property m I have a property maintenance guy that's there 30 hours a week. So if there's a anything that's a question, he goes out. He looks at the trees. So he's the guy. Yes. He handles that. He's 30
hours a week, but he does he does all sorts of code enforcement and property maintenance for us. Yeah. Like we have Ron here, but he's only here x amount of hours a week. So what if Ron was here more? Well, Ron, I don't think Ron wants anything to do with trees and and my property maintenance guy
before was the same thing. Um, but again, I I we like I said, we had it we had an ordinance in place for a long time. So all the tree all the surge tree surgeons, they all knew that, oh, I got to get an applica. I got to get an application uh for it. But that it's it's un it's under zoning and I'm not
looking I I I don't want to have to handle this but um it's under zoning. So when I was hired in Prescll um I don't get a salary for zoning. Okay. I get a application uh I get a payment $25 per application that comes in. This way if
we have nothing for a month I don't get I don't benefit from it. If we have a lot it's not cost you know it's not costing the town um a ton of money. But but that's what I'm trying to say with this. We could uh implement something very similar. So this person in Creskill is 30 hours a week, but it's not it's
property maintenance stuff. So if you had to take a guess, is it 10 is it 10 hours a week that he he or she might spend on trees? I'm trying to get a a dollar figure on what, you know, what we bring in in revenue, okay, fees and stuff versus what are we going to pay
out? What is this person paid? 30 hours times what? What's he What's he making? Uh 30 $33 an hour. Okay. So, he's making 900, you know, whatever. 900 and change,000. But, um but he does all the inspections for zoning as well. So, while he's out,
he'll, you know, look at two trees. He'll look at this. I'll call him and say, "Listen, I got another tree application. Can you swing by XYZ and take a look at the trees? They're all marked." Um and then they come in. Boom. And it goes right out. So, I'm only thinking out loud here. So, let's say it's 10 hours a week. It's 50 weeks. I'm
not that great at math, you know, but it's uh 30 time 30 time 10. We'll just use that. Uh that's 300. Um so that's 300 a week. Uh is what? 16,500. 16,500.
Are we going to bring in more than 16,500 on the fees from this tree ordinance? I have no idea. I don't have a crystal ball. I have no What are we first quarter? Yeah. All right. You see where I'm going now? Yeah. No, absolutely. It doesn't
seem like it, but fees can be changed, right? Yeah. We could add Listen, we could we could change our fee schedule and add $25 per application and then that money isn't even ours. You know, it goes right to him. Already though, people are screaming already about this. They're screaming. I think they're
really screaming already because of the replant problem. That's the problem, which we can't get around, right? Is it a D? Mhm. Correct. But also, if you don't have anybody who's knowledgeable knowledgeable about trees, they could be replanting things that are not beneficial to Old Depan's environment.
Exactly. So, you need somebody who knows something. Somebody from the environmental commission and that's going to be able to go out 6 months after. Sounds like to me that's a perfect solution. No name. No name. But the thing is is, you know, 6 months
later you're going out and looking at, okay, let me let me grab the survey. Let me have the application. Let me let me see where they're they're um they're actually planting these trees. I want to go out. I want to make sure they're still alive. Not that they, you know, they planted them in July and it's September and now they're dead because they didn't get enough water. So, Saddle
River has that first. Um so, we can get their job description. I'll bring it to you. That's a good start. And how much? Well, you we could check. We'll check. have to look. We'd have to look on in
their ordinances. So, yeah. I mean, the fees the fees we can always adjust, you know. I mean, it's new to us. So, it's not like I mean, but we we lose 25 bucks on an application, it was we still make 50, you know, if we if we made it 50, we'd be happy with 50, but it's 75 and
225. You know what I'm saying? So, we're we're making money. And if we have to adjust it a little bit, we can always adjust it. Okay. Oh, dollars and cents that makes Yeah. We have to have it. I mean, D says we have to have it. We could set our fees. Um, but you're
right. It's it's I could I could see I mean, we we heard one the other night at the planning board that um someone's waiting for escort money back. It's Yeah. to follow up like you just said, they you make them plant new trees, they plant it in July, and then they die in November and they're like, "Well,
they're dead. I'm just going to and they're only this big, so I'm just going to rip them out and throw them at the curb." You know, when Andy comes around with the chipper and then it's lost. That's no no one in a perfect world is is saying what's going on like it's like the water
heater at the curb and they hey they get a permit you know but they're not doing that with trees. Yeah. Austining New York also has a tree uh they call them him the tree warden and he's a retired arborist and he is strict and he knows
what he's doing on both minor and major site plans right but now we can't send them like like can't send them for site plan approval but it's strictly you know for trees that's what it's for you can't single one or two family home you can't
send for site plan approval but you know It's it's replanting plan. You know, we can set some very basic parameters around that. Right. Mr. Mayor, I'll offer to do a deep dive on this subject once again and I'd like uh Councilman
Shenu to help me with this and I'd like to approach Jesse and get the the financial side and okay, I'll pull together some things. We'll have a report for you for the next meeting. And Bob, I'll stop by the office sometime this week and I'll see if we could work on some kind of short-term solution to
the workload. But as a person that we want to take this from A to Z, right? Open the application and close the application. Exactly. Exactly. Yep. That they can they'll just deal with the homeowner on at their at their convenience. And in my mind, it's easier just collecting an application fee for
that. like Bob suggested, $25 application fee from start to finish and that's it. Okay. Right. Yeah. Plus the fees on, you know, plus Yeah. the other fees associated with I don't think there's really anything wrong with the ordinance. You know, how many hours
would you estimate that a application would take somebody to take from start to finish? It depends if there's questions, if there's, you know, you're waiting on answers back, uh, replant plan, you have to go out. So, let's just say an hour. an hour. Let's just say an
hour. I mean, there's there's some because you can cut you can cut up to you can cut three trees or less in a fiveyear segment um without a replant plan, but it's the ones that are doing five, four, five, but that's in a 5year period. So, you also have to be able to
keep track. We keep track of it in SDL that okay, I'm cutting down three trees this year, but in three years from now, they want to cut three more down. Once they do that, it hits the threshold. Now you have to replant for all of them. Who who would be inputting the information into SDL? Well, Jennifer has it in SDL.
Yeah. And I I still have no I don't I don't think that there's an issue with accepting the application, accepting the money, um and putting the information into the computer system. We can do the reports. Um you know, that that's that's really not the issue. But the issue is is that when they're calling and they're
arguing with her, you know, it's very easy for her to then be able to say, "I'm sorry, but you have to talk to, you know, Joe Schmo, the tree, you know." Yeah. And that's that's who's going to answer these questions for you. I'm sorry. I I can't answer them, and the construction official is not going to answer them for you. And the property maintenance guy is not going to answer
them for you. This is who you need to speak with because I I get pulled away from so much uh while I'm I'm doing plan review. And last week and the week before I got I got pulled away from stuff numerous times and we were having problems with SDL. So you know it's like
you sign in you sign out you sign in you sign out. It was happening with Jennifer as well. So it's just cut and dry. Okay. Do you think by in a month's time for one meeting in July so we can put it on old business for July meeting? Yeah.
You thinking at least at least get a pulse check then like okay you got that? In the meantime, do we do we have like a short reader digest version that our residents could say, "Okay, if I cut down a tree here, I need to replant or I
need to pay this." Do we have like a short version of that somewhere that we could pager? Yeah, I'll I'll try. Yeah, I know. It's pretty confusing. Yes. But I think the residents need to be educated on this and maybe that'll
answer a lot lot of questions for them. Okay. All right. We'll we'll revisit it in a month. Sounds good. Thank you. Very good. Bob, just before you run off, it's we're going to get to it anyway. I just want some clarity. Uh we're going to amend our zoning ordinance, new
construction. Yes. 50% or more of the wall. Is this is this the old where you can almost knock a house down and leave one wall up and it's considered renovation and we're changing that now to can take that scenario and calling it new construction? Yeah. Yeah, it's not so much that we're changing it. It's
really It was always up to the construction official in the uh on the in the UCCC there's a in chapter 6 it talks about um if the structure is removed to a dimminimous amount it shall be deemed new construction by the construction
official. So there's no link between zoning and that. So if you go through zoning and it's, you know, you could pretty much tear your house down, but now I deem it new construction as the construction official. um you know we're losing out on the co- fees. Sure. You
know so I want to make sure. Okay. So in that well what that scenario I just explained that's kind of go that scenario now would be new constru considered new construction and we're we're defining it better right? It's just simple when they see it. Okay, you know it's it's new construction. I mean
look you have a great big giant house you know and they remove uh what's the minimus? You know there's no there's no real definition of dimminimus. It's really up to your interpretation. And that really is right from the DCA. Um, you know, and it says structure. So, a structure is actually the basement. So,
if I tear the house down and leave one wall standing and I leave the whole basement and the first floor, well, and it was a ranch style house, I've left up more than 50%. Right? But now, if you just bring in the walls, now you have to leave up 50% of the walls. And I I
actually measure them. So, if you're if if you've got a back wall and you're saying you're leaving it, but you're going to put in a a 12T sliding door with windows on each side, that section of the wall is being removed. So, you've got to leave up the whole wall. You've got to leave up the sheathing, the plates, and the 2x4s. Okay. All right.
Okay. That's what I thought I read. So, all right. Just wanted to understand it better. All right. Good. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Bob. See you. Good day, Bob. You, too. All right. Let's uh What do we want to talk about next? How about the Oaks House? We'll go
to start from the bottom while you uh while you're all while you're all warmed up and stuff. Well, the good news is we have beautiful comprehensive drawings for the oak house oak spark house since the last meeting um brought to us. I showed Anna I showed
Andy from um you know Andy from it looks great. The only thing is we want to make um the wreck office a little wider. Okay. Um, OTBSA clay reimbursement. Um, thank you to Jesse, our CFO, for confirming that since 2012, OTBSA has
paid 100% of the clay costs. So I will uh discuss with the rec commission uh going forward that they can uh put it on their budget for next year uh and that'll be brought up in the appropriate uh discussions. So that is my suggestion. Okay.
Um anything need to be I agree with that. I agree with I don't think you need anything. It's just um Sure. That's my suggestion. And again, thank you Jesse for that update. And then um proposed ordinance similar to that one
or uh fire department ordinance that uh came up the chief was your last meeting I think and um do you have an update for us on so um in doing homework as you suggested since last meeting that we
come up with our ideas ongoing discussion nothing needs to be set in stone but my suggestion and meeting over um Chief Anders um statements, particularly when he stated that 22 out of the 51 firefighters on OTFD are
members of multiple departments, which is about 43%. Um I suggest we make a footnote that allows a career firefighter the opportunity to serve here in Old Pan as an officer. Um so again, someone who is a career firefighter would still be allowed to be
a line officer. That is that's my my takeaway from it. I'm open to hearing your So yeah, let's uh um want any comments on what Christine just uh you were here I
think at court you were not. I was not. I guess I'll just put it in if for maybe for a court who doesn't remember or uh currently our ordinance says that you can only serve as a as a uh a line officer. Okay. Lieutenant, captain,
deputy chief or or chief. Uh if you're if you're a line officer in Alapan, you can't serve as a line officer elsewhere. Somewhere else, right? Um the chief um um was here last meeting. he uh
um kind of chatted about the pros and cons of that. I think he was more in favor. Uh I I've since learned that I don't think any of the membership um has any inkling on what the chief was proposing. So, I think that they they
want they should I personally like uh what councilwoman Misaro just just uh uh suggested not that you do anything for one reason only, but I think this conversation started because um um
I don't want to say too much, but we have a we have a current officer, very well-trained, very good officer who um uh was is a career firefighter and he was promoted in his career in his career
department um to the rank of lieutenant. I guess that triggered you know our our ordinance saying hey this is this is out of whack now. Yes, we wouldn't want to prohibit someone. I do not see just personally with my experience with the fire department, I don't I don't see a
conflict that that gentleman if he's on the clock and he's at his at his full-time job, we'll call it. Um, god forbid, but open pan will be burned down. Um, he's not leaving his his daytime night.
He's not leaving his career to serve as a volunteer officer here. I don't think I can't speak for for anyone that take some personal time go um as opposed to a neighboring community, someone that's in our um mutual aid associations where we
have now a conflict. if we had a surrounding town uh firefighter that's a member of Altapan, he's a lieutenant in Altapan as an example and he's a lieutenant in we I think the chief used Harrington Park as an example last meeting. Um
we we kind of rely on there there's different scenarios you can say well if it's the fire is in Old Tan he's going to serve as the officer in Old Dean. Well, if the fires in Harrington Park, but he's an old dependent lieutenant and we're called in mutual aid and now we're
running we're running thin, if you will. Um, that's that's where I I that's where I think I'd like to leave that part of the ordinance alone. So, my two cents. So, from my understanding then the big
advantage is that we um retain the expertise of the career fire person. Yes. We don't need for our small town for our small department and that's the big advantage of this. The logistics can be worked on etc. But really the main
purpose of this is to retain expertise in the department. Correct. Yeah. I mean what would happen I mean what would happen in this instance is that um you know we wouldn't allow him to be an officer in old Japan. obviously he's going to he's not going to give up
his promotion uh you know in his career department so we would lose his expertise from a leadership standpoint uh in old Japan this particular example so all right so I think it's a good idea to move forward with that new language to include the
career not counting as part of that um restriction but in the long run we all know there are fewer and fewer volunteers around it may need to be revisited again in the future. I agree and that's a good thing.
I mean, we we we're the only uh burrow that has, you know, an ordinance like this, so that's why we took a look at it. Um but I don't think we were comfortable fully scrapping that because that could create a lot of uh you know, legal issues, semantics.
We don't want to put the the burrow in any position where they could, you know, have potential issue there. So I think if we allow a career firefighter the opportunity to serve as line officer, we benefit as residents that way. You know, we have their expertise. Someone living in town who's a Jersey City career
firefighter and wants to be part of, you know, good. We want to keep our our department going uh strong. Obviously, the you know the the percentage around 43 of people who are members in multiple departments, it's good. We want to in the future we want to encourage it. So,
it might have been one situation that brought it up, but it's really not just that. I think it is, like you said, something we will continue to discuss, and that's the good thing about this is we could always revisit any, you know, any ordinance that we're sure we're speaking of. So, I appreciate you all,
you know, being open-minded. Um, I don't know if it's something that you want to table for them to talk about at the company side, but I I just did my my side of what I was asked to do. I have one question. If somebody lives, let's say in I think Harrington Park, let's
say somebody lives in Harrington Park and they're a firefighter there, just a regular firefighter, but they are a lieutenant captain here. Mhm. If there's a fire in Harrington Park, let's say a working structure fire, and they respond there as a regular firefighter as a
Harrington Park member. Yes, exactly. If we get called mutual aid, they're not going to leave that truck or the engine to come here. The mayor said, "Then we're thin on failing our truck." Yes. Wait, say that again. Well, no. I I see what Council Marty is saying that they we might lose them anyway because
if you're going to lose them, they're a member of Harrington Park. Yeah. But with that same scenario, well, they're they're not a they're not an officer there. Yeah. Possibly. Mhm.
Am I missing something? Like, do you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Yep. Absolutely for future review I think. But let let's just clean up the ordinance now to make sure that the current officer that we have is in compiance. Yeah, there there's no issues with that. So we'll clean up see him in any or anyone. I think we clean this up
now and then we'll talk about the other point is that you know I think I said it just to start the the the kind of the rank and file the members of the company who are the members of the department who elect these positions. The membership elects their leadership. they
were not aware of this. Well, you know, it's up to the chief and to communicate that as he or she sees fit. Um, but the fact that the membership was not aware of this proposed changes, that's a good point. That's a valid point. I think they have the opport they should have
the opportunity to somewhat weigh in. I will communicate that to the chief. Okay. So, um All right. So, that was just an open discussion. And so as of right now, I guess uh do we need a uh uh a vote to tweak what we have now or or
will you bring that up next meeting and then we'll vote will set it up, right? Yeah. If I'm directed to prepare the ordinance amendment, I'll do that. Okay. And then we'll vote on it at that point. Okay. So that's I believe that's the direction of the council is to tweak it with a with that career department
stipulation. Um, okay. That's old business. Any other old business not listed here tonight? All right. Let's move on to new business. Ordinance 1281-25. Uh, Councilwoman Misero. Thank you, Mr.
Mayor. This is a first reading from the Burough Clerk's Office. Ordinance number 1281-25. First reading, amend recreation fees ordinance resolution. Whereas an ordinance entitled an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 119 article 3 recreation program fees of the code of
the burough of alt pan to amend the fees charged therein was introduced at meeting the mayor and council held on the 16th day of June 2025. Now therefore, be it resolved by the mayor and council of the bur of Old Pan, County of Bergen, state of New Jersey, that ordinance number 1281-25
be in the same as hereby adopted on first reading. And be it further resolved that said ordinance number 1281-25 be further considered for final passage and meeting of the said mayor and council be held on the 21st day of July 2025 at 7:30 p.m. the evening or as soon
thereafter as the matter can be reached in the council chambers at Burough Hall 227 Old Tan Road, Old Pan, New Jersey, at which time and place all persons who may be interested will be given an opportunity to be heard regarding ordinance number 1281-25. And be it finally resolved that the
burough clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the introduction and notice of hearing as required by law. Second. Any discussion on it? Have the fees gone up? I'm that's I'm very confused. No, this is this is to actually to
make adjustments to we're actually lowering the fees for our travel programs. So they had been anytime we do increase it. Yeah. So it's on this on the um almost like our salary our our fee
schedule. So, for example, baseball, softball, uh, travel, softball, baseball, it'd be a it'd be lowering at $50. This is to allow for some of the lower fees we're seeing in our travel programs. All right. So, basically like the T- ball, it's it says a range of $50 to $170.
That hasn't changed. It's still the same. Yeah. The range this is this is to lower the range for baseball softball, which is the I'm sorry, the travel baseball softball. So it's not travel, right? So there's a range that you can
be in and this is actually because there's some programs that are not that don't need to collect. I want to make sure we're not increasing fees for wreck. That's all. That's why specifically we actually and this was anytime we do things like this, it's usually specific to something. And this is baseball
specifically for travel baseball down 50. Okay. Because this is to allow for some of the lower fees we're seeing for travel. By the way, just from my experience with recreation, sometimes uniforms are included in a fee. Sometimes parents buy
it outside the fee. So that's why the range is so large is sometimes you you're going to go buy your $80 uniform at Sports Expert, which is not part of the fee, but maybe some years it's included. So that's why that range is fairly large. Gotcha. Thank you.
Okay. Uh I think we have uh we've introduced it in a second. A roll call, please. Councilman Boyce. Yes. Councilman Guan, yes. Councilman Councilman Marci, yes. Councilwoman Misero, yes. Councilman Yu, yes. Okay,
moving on to ordinance 1282-25 for Councilman U. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is the first reading of ordinance number 128225, amend zoning zoning ordinance, new construction. As uh Bob said today, we didn't have we actually didn't have a
definition in our ordinance for new construction. And this just gives a provides a definition for that resolution. Whereas an ordinance entitled an ordinance to amend and supplement article 1, chapter 255 entitled zoning of the code of the
bureau of ultipan was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 16th day of June 2025. Now therefore, be it resolved by the mayor and council of the burough of Ultipan, County of Bergen, state of New Jersey, that ordinance number 1282-25
B and the same is hereby adopted on first reading and be it further resolved that said ordinance number 1282-25 will be further considered for final passage at meeting of the said mayor and council to be held on the 21st day of
July, 2025 at 7:30 p.m. in the evening or as soon thereafter as a matter can be reached in the council chambers at Burrow Hall 227 Ultipan Road Ultan, New Jersey, at which time and place all persons who may be interested will be
given an opportunity to be heard regarding ordinance number 1282-25. Be it finally resolved that the burough clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the introduction of notice of hearing as required by law.
Got a second on this? Second. Okay. Any further discussion uh on this ordinance change? Seeing none. Roll call, please. Councilman Boyce. Yes. Councilman. Yes. Councilman Martine. Yes. Councilwoman Sarah. Yes. Councilman Y. Yes.
Okay. Uh Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry. Could I just add one also one bonus thing to uh 128125 really quickly? Yep. Um, another another good part of this, uh, and I meant to mention this, but I got distracted by the question there, so I apologize. There's also a component of
this where there would be a $60 credit per family upon uh, successful completion of the 1-hour coaching program, How to be a great sport parent in the soccer program. So again, soccer, there would be a $60 soccer credit per
family upon successful completion of the 1-hour coaching program. How to be a sport. And that's from Craig Mer and employer. So I meant to say that. So I just wanted to add that's a wonderful initiative. Fully support that. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to uh open the
meeting to the public. So moved. Second. Okay. Would anyone from the public like to be heard tonight on any matter? Can I ask you guys something? I don't want to put you guys on the spot, but do you guys want to talk about the cleanup we have planned for Saturday? Bonabel
Park cleanup. I'm going to be honest. I have no planning with that whatsoever. Okay. On the spot anymore. I'm I'm put on the spot now. All of a sudden, I'm going to be there. So, I hope to see some Bonabel Park. Okay. Um, can I get a motion to
close the public? Motion to close. Second. Okay. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I. We're adjourned. discussion. That was a long meeting.