Okay, >> good evening everybody. Welcome to our meeting. Welcome to your meeting. Uh, in compliance with the open public's meeting law, notification of this meeting has been sent to our official newspapers and other publications circulated in the Burough of Alapan and notice posted on the bulletin board at
Burough Hall. Please be reminded that all of our meetings are video recorded and posted to our website. Uh, please also note the fire extras are at the rear of the council chambers and at the main doors where you entered this evening. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Gallagher
>> here. >> Council >> here. >> Councilman Voice. Council Councilwoman Castello >> here. >> Councilman Guan >> here. >> Councilman Marti >> here. >> Councilman Yu >> here. You please rise and join me for the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Our first order of business tonight is is a couple of resolutions.
Uh first one is for Council President Bagi, our PBA collective bargaining agreement. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll be reading this resolution, but the the work was done by uh Councilman Guan and Councilman Boyce mainly um not not
myself. Just want to make make note of that resolution. Whereas the resolution of Burough Voltipan authorizing the mayor and a burough clerk to sign the agreement between the police benevolent association and the burough of Alipan. Whereas the parties have engaged in extensive negotiations with the guidance
and assistance of the negotiation team. And whereas parties circulated an agreement effective effective upon the burrow adopting a resolution to accept the agreement. And there now therefore be it resolved that mayor and council buran are hereby authorized to sign the
police benevolent association PBA agreement on behalf of the burrow upon approval of the agreement by the burough attorney. Be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution shall be filed with the clerk of the burrow of Altapan. We >> have a second. >> Second. >> Do we have any discussion on this
resolution? >> Yes. Just thanks for the negotiating team. I know it's a lot of meetings. I appreciate your work. >> Thank you. >> Great. Anything else? >> Roll call, please. >> Council member, >> yes. Council Counciloman Castello. >> Yes. >> Councilman Swan.
>> Yes. >> Council Martine. >> Yes. >> Councilman. >> Yes. Okay. Um, next on the agenda is a resolution to appoint special counsel and that is for Councilman Youth. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, this is in response to all these meetings that we
had recently. We we the bureau has decided to move ahead and hire uh special counsel to represent us concerning this matter. I will read the resolution. Resolution of the Burough of Voltapan authorizing the hiring of special
counsel. Whereas the mayor and council of the burough of Ultapan have determined that it it is that it is in its best interest of the residents of the Burough of Ultapan to hire special counsel to review the potential uses
permitted in the burrow's single family zone and to review any applications for boarding houses or similar uses. In addition, special counsel is authorized to represent the burrow of Ultapan in connection
with the proposed silver home on 20 Kelbush Road, Ultapan, New Jersey. And now therefore, be it resolved that the mayor and council of the Burough of Ultan that Mr. John Lamb of the firm BD
Padovino is hereby designated as special counsel and be it further resolved that Mr. John Lamb shall be paid at the rate of $500 per hour or as set forth in the attached agreement and be it further
resolved that the cost of services under this resolution shall not exceed $30,000. Be it further resolved that the copy of this resolution shall be filed with the clerk of the burrow of Ultipan and advertised as required by law.
>> Second. Any discussion? >> When when are they going to start? >> Um immediately after this resolution is signed. >> Thank you. >> So yeah, real quick. The $30,000 cap would be um you know, once we reach that
level, we can revisit this, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. if Yeah. >> Yeah. Right now we're just capping it there so it just not out. So we uh we can certainly revisit at any time if there's progress being made, which we
hope there is. Um we'll um we'll reup do whatever we need to do. >> Anything else? Okay, we have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Castello, >> yes. >> Councilman Khan, >> yes. Councilman Marcy.
>> Yes. >> Councilman Y. >> Yes. >> Okay. Moving on to our consent resolution for Council President Bagi. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The consent resolution this evening be it resolved that the following resolutions placed on the agenda, excuse me, by consent require no discussion and the same
having been previously re reviewed by each council person, BNR hereby adopted in their entirety by the mayor and the council of Burough, Bul Japan. bills and claims, release cash, bonds, and escrow, waiver of 2026 budget reading, 2026
budget self-examination, and 2025 audit report. >> Second. Any discussion on our consent resolution? Seeing none, roll call, please. >> Councilman Vanagi, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Castello, >> yes. >> Councilman Guan,
>> yes. >> Counciloman Marci, >> yes. >> Councilman Yu, >> yes. All right, moving on to some public hearings tonight. Uh, Councilman Boyce is not in attendance. Uh, Burton County Open Space is someone have that uh,
>> is that? >> Yeah, you got it there. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Authorizing submission of a two uh, excuse me, 2026 Bergen County Open Space Trust Fund Municipal Park Improvement Grant application. Whereas
the Bergen County Open Space Recreation uh Flood Plane Protection Farmland Historic Preservation Trust Fund provides matching grants to municipal governments and to nonprofit organizations for assistance in the development or redevelopment of outdoor
municipal recreation facilities. And whereas the burrow of Altapan desires to further the public interest by obtaining a matching grant of $300,000 from the county trust fund to fund Ultipan golf course irrigation renovation including
the installation of irrigation system. And whereas the mayor and council of the burough at the pan has reviewed the county trust fund program statement and the trust fund municipal program park improvement application and instructions and desires to make an application for
such a matching grant and provide application information and furnish such documents as may be required. And whereas as part of the application process, the mayor and council of the Burough Volipan held the required public hearings to
receive public comments on the proposed park improvements in the application on May 4th, 2026. And whereas the county of Bergen shall determine whether the application is complete and in conformance with the scope and intent of the county trust fund. And whereas the
applicant is willing to use the county trust fund in accordance with such rules, regulations, and applicable statutes and is willing to enter into an agreement with the county of Bergen for the above name project, excuse me, project and ensure its completion on or
about the project contract expiration date. Now therefore, be it resolved by the mayor and council of the burrow of alterapan one that it is hereby authorized to submit the above completed project application to the county by the deadline of April 24th, 2026.
We did that already, right? uh as established by the county. And two, that in the event of the county trust fund award that may be less than a grant amount requested above, the mayor and council has or will secure the balance of the funding necessary to
complete the project or modify the project as necessary. And the mayor and council is committed to providing a dollar for-doll cash uh match for the project. and that only those park improvements identified and approved in
the project application, its trust fund contract or other documentation will be considered eligible for reimbursement. The mayor and council agrees to comply with all applicable federal, state, and local laws, rules,
and regulations in its performance of the project, and that this resolution shall take effect immediately. >> One would That's it. Would you would you um make a motion to open the meeting to the public in case they have any comment on it?
>> Make a motion to open. >> Second on that. Second. Second. Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> Would anyone from the public like to be heard on our new golf course irrigation system and how we plan to fund it with matching grants? >> Motion to close. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I I >> Okay. Uh, do we have any other uh questions or comments on this uh on this uh application? >> No. >> And a roll call, please. >> Councilman Bani, >> yes.
>> Councilwoman Costello, >> yes. >> Councilman Guan, >> yes. >> Counciloman Marty, >> yes. >> Councilman Yu, >> yes. >> Okay, thank you. So, our next order of business is our 2026 municipal budget adoption, and that will be for Councilman Plum.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, before I read this resolution, um, this is the resolution to adopt the budget for the calendar year 2026. Uh, I want to wanted to acknowledge uh the hard work uh that the council members put in uh this year
as well as all years, but uh especially this year. Uh, we put in 3 to four months of of hard work. We were here late nights till 9:00 p.m. sometimes ordered pizza in uh so we appreciate all the hard work. Uh also want to thank our auditor who is here uh for his uh
recommendations and hard work and then also the department heads for uh prioritizing uh certain needs of the departments and coming to uh the council uh to help fund those needs. Uh the biggest obstacle this year was that our health care costs
increase 25 to 30%. And so we had to navigate a budget around that to keep taxes as low as we could. Uh but those healthc care costs are not in our control. Um so therefore I want to read this >> uh make uh open a meeting to the public. >> Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Uh motion to open it to open the meeting to the public for any comments. >> Second. All in favor? >> I would anyone from the public like to be heard on our exciting 2026 municipal budget? Motion to close. >> Second. All >> in favor?
>> I. >> Okay. Councilman. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh section two upon adoption for year 2026 resolution be it resolved by the council members of the burough of Voltapan County of Bergen that the budget here in the four set forth is hereby adopted and shall
constitute an appropriation for the purposes stated of the sums therein set forth as appropriations and authorization of the amount of $7,435,083 for municipal purposes and $184,15 for open space, recreation, farmland,
and historic preservation trust fund levy. Thank you. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Seeing none, roll call, please. >> Councilman Bagi, >> yes. >> Counciloman Costello, >> yes.
>> Councilman Guan, >> yes. >> Councilman Marci, >> yes. >> Councilman Y, >> yes. >> Okay. Next order of business, ordinance 1297-26 for Councilman Yu. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is the second reading of ordinance number 1297-26,
salt storage ordinance. I'd like to open it up to public for questions or comment. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Anyone from the public like to be heard about our salt storage ordinance? >> Exciting. >> It's really cool. >> Motion to close.
>> Second. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> All right, Councilman. >> Thank you. Resolution. Whereas an ordinance entitled an ordinance amending the municipal code of the burough of oldan county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to add a chapter new chapter 21
privatelyowned salt storage was introduced at a mayor at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 20th day of April 2026. Now therefore, be it resolved by the mayor and council of the burrow of Ultapan, county of Bergen, state of New Jersey, that set ordinance number
1297-26, be and the same is hereby adopted on second and final reading, and be it finally resolved that the burough clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the notice of adoption as required by law. Second, any discussion?
>> Roll call, please. >> Councilman Nagi, >> yes. Councilwoman, >> yes. >> Councilman Guan, >> yes. >> Council Monte, >> yes. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> Okay, next order of business, ordinance 1298-26 for Councilman Guan.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, this is ordinance number, it's the second reading of ordinance number 1298-26. It was introduced at our last meeting. Uh, it's titled capital ordinance, various improvements and acquisitions. I'd like to open it to the public. >> Second >> for any comments. >> Okay. All in favor?
>> I. Would anyone from the public like to be heard on uh this pending ordinance? >> Motion to close to the public. >> Second. >> Okay. Council. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh resolution reads, "Whereas an ordinance entitled bond ordinance to authorize the making of various public improvements, the
refurbishment of a fire engine, and the acquisition of new additional or replacement equipment and machinery, new communication and signal systems equipment, new information technology equipment, and new automated vehicles, including original apparatus and equipment in by and for the burough
voltapan in the county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $2,768,000 to pay the cost thereof to make a down payment to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide for the issuance of bond
anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 20th day of April 2026. Now therefore be it resolved by the mayor and council of the b burrow of altapan b county county of bergen state of New Jersey that said ordinance number
129826b and the same is hereby adopted on second and final reading and be it finally resolved that the clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the note of adoption as required by law. >> Second. Okay. Any further discussion?
>> None. Roll call, please. Councilman. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Costello. >> Yes. >> Council. >> Yes. Councilman Marcy. >> Yes. >> Councilman Yu. >> Yes. >> Okay. Next, we have ordinance 1299-26, various sewer improvements and acquisitions for Councilman
U. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is the second reading of ordinance number 1299-26, capital ordinance, various sewer improvements and acquisitions. At this time, I'd like to open it up to the public for comments or questions.
>> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? I >> I >> Okay. Would anybody like to be heard on uh ordinance uh 1299-26 various sewer improvements and acquisitions? >> Motion to close. Second. >> All in favor?
>> I. Councilman. >> Thank you. Resolution. Whereas an ordinance entitled bond ordinance to authorize the making of various sanitary sewer improvements and the acquisition of new additional or replacement equipment and machinery in by and for
the sewer utility of the burough of ultipan in the county of Bergen state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $111,000 to pay the cost thereof to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appro appropriation and to provide for the
issuance of bond anticipation notes in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 20th day of April 2026 now therefore be it resolved by the mayor and council of the burough often
county of Bergen state of New Jersey that set ordinance number 1299-26 be and the same is hereby adopted on second and final reading and be it finally resolved that the burough Pro clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the notice of adoption as
required by law. >> Second. Any further discussion? >> Roll call, please. >> Councilman Banaki, >> yes. >> Counciloman Costello, >> yes. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> Council Martine, >> yes. >> Councilman, >> yes. All right, moving right along to
our new business. Um, received a communication. Uh I don't want to act on this tonight, but the uh council has a copy of this. Um we can put it on for next meeting uh from the founder of the New Jersey
Property Taxpayers Coalition asking for a resolution of all municipalities throughout the state. A resolution urging New Jersey state legislators and the governor to repeal the gas tax escalator and restore
accountability to fuel tax increases. So, this was just kind of received. Uh, again, it's kind of a grassroots organization looking to bring accountability back to how our gas is is uh is taxed in the state. So, uh we will
move this to next meeting. Everyone has a copy of the proposed resolution and we can act on that uh we can act on that next later this month. Okay. Um All right. All right. New business ordinance uh 1300-26
for uh Councilman Guan. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh this is ordinance 1300-26. It's the first reading. Uh it has to do with uh allocating $29,000 from capital surplus uh for uh equipment on um the command
vehicle, fire command vehicle. Um do I need to open it to >> No, no, I'll just read. Okay. So from the burough clerk's office, ordinance number 1326, first reading, capital ordinance, fire department command vehicle fully funded. Resolution whereas an ordinance entitled a capital ordinance appropriating the sum of
$29,000 for the acquisition and installation of equipment for the fire department by the burough of Alapan and to appropriate $29,000 from the general capital surplus was introduced at a meeting of the mayor and council held on the 4th day of May 2026. Now therefore be it resolved by the mayor and councel
of the baral to pan county of Bergen state of New Jersey that ordinance number 1300-26 v and the same is hereby adopted on the first reading and be it further resolved that said ordinance number 1300-26 be further considered for final passage and
a meeting of the said mayor and council to be held on the 18th day of May 2026 at 7:30 p.m. in the evening or soon thereafter as the matter can be reached in the council chambers at Burough Hall 227 Ultan Road Alpan New Jersey at which time and place all persons who may be interested will be given an opportunity
to be heard regarding ordinance number 1300-26 and be it finally resolved that the burough clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the introduction and notice of hearing as required by law. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh any further discussion on this
uh ordinance for the fire department? Seeing none, roll call, please. >> Councilman Bernagi, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Gastello, yes. >> Councilman Guan, >> yes. >> Councilman Marti, >> yes. >> Councilman, >> yes. >> All right. Do we have any old business
in front of us this evening? >> Seeing none. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to open the meeting to the public on >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. Would anyone from the public like to be heard on any manner this evening?
Please just name and address just for the record. >> Alexa Palmer. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name
is Le is Lexi De Palma and this is Hannah John. We are sophomores at NVOT and and Girl Scouts with troop 96997. We are working on our go We are working on our gold project which is the highest honor in scouting. We we are here today
to propose our gold project which which we hope will benefit our community while having a lasting impact. With the help of Mr. Keel and Mr. Weaver from the environmental committee, we came up with a few ideas. We chose this project since
it allows us to improve on the existing po pollinator garden on central A and add a permanent fence that would benefit Ultipan residents. With your permission, we would like to clean up and expand the the pollinator garden. We we took we
took photographs of the site and we have prepared a sketch of what we envision the project to look like. Once completed, we plan to clean out the pollinator garden, then build a 10x 56x 56 ft perimeter fence using vertical wood
poles, horizontal supports, and wired fencing similar to the existing fence surrounding the community garden. As shown in the sketch, we as shown in the sketch, we intended to secure the pollinator garden so residents can enjoy this space. We would like to thank you for your time today and hope you'll take
the time to review our proposal. And please let us know if you have any questions and we'll do our best to answer them. >> Do you have the sketch with you? >> Yes, we do. >> Can you hand >> Where is it located exactly? >> Um, it's on Central Avenue. >> Central Avenue >> where the current garden is now. >> Yes. >> So, there's another garden next to the
garden. >> There's a pollinator garden. >> It's part of the >> And I think Orange and Rockland is going to >> I'll just pass it down. >> Okay. Oh, that's great. >> But isn't it already fenced in? >> I I go by it every day. It sounds
pollinator garden I don't think is a French thing. >> No. >> Okay. >> I hate to ask a stupid question. What's a pollinator garden? >> Um so the pollinator garden promotes um like it attracts pollinators and as you know pollinators um like help the
butterflies >> which help us have beautiful flowers. >> So the fence is necessary >> and to keep out other animals and also it's not the most stable right now. It's um like a few metal poles that are falling
out of the ground. So, we wanted to provide that uh solid >> cool. So, if there was no fence and the animals would eat the plants inside the garden, >> a lot of if you look at the photos, um a lot of the plants inside are dead and there's a lot of weeds. >> Um >> it's like my lawn.
>> And you said you've been talking to Mr. Keel and Mr. Weaver, both members of our environmental commission. >> So, uh I know Mr. Ke >> How much money has Mr. Ke decided to donate. >> I think he's donating the labor. I heard I think he is. >> I think he's digging all the fence posts.
>> I mean, he let the weeds grow. >> So, what do you need? How how is this funded? Um, what do you need from us besides permission? I'll ask our attorney if there's no brainer, I think. >> Yeah. >> You know, no problem. >> Yeah. So, we're looking for any donations from the DPW hopefully um
providing assistance from um for like digging the holes for the poles. um and any like materials. And we're also willing to fund raise um through uh a bake sale um like donations from family
and friends. And also we're selling Girl Scout cookies if anyone's interested. >> I still have boxes in my garage. >> You going to have like a GoFundMe or something or what are you going to do? >> Yeah, that was the plan. You >> are. Okay, good. >> This is your gold project. >> Gold project. The
>> two of you together? >> Yeah. Interesting. >> Gold with pink helps. >> No, Goldie can do the >> That's a new one. >> Have you applied? >> Uh yeah, we've uh submitted a few things. >> You have? >> Yeah. >> Nice. So, you said you need help from
the DPW. Just explain that a little bit more. >> Um so, for the existing for the existing community garden, we know that um the DPW provided the holes and the fence um and they dug the holes for the holes.
are about like 11 ft high and the poles are dug about like two uh ft down. So we'd like assistance on that because it would require um like machinery and >> Okay. So So not on the material, just on some of the labor to get those holes dug fencing you would fun or bake sales and
things like that. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Councilman Yu as as our leaison to our DPW. >> Um could you uh speak with Andy? I will certainly inquire >> and or Dan to see what uh how they can
assist. >> I'm sure they'll be happy to assist if they have time. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Well, we'll try to find time for them to do this. >> Absolutely. >> But that that's a pretty big fence. 56 ft >> wide. That's a lot of fence.
>> And how high is it the fence going to be? >> 7 and 1/2 ft. >> Yeah. >> 7 and 1/2 ft. That's a lot of fence. >> Am I right? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to speak. >> Yeah. No, it's about 8 ft. Yeah. What kind of fencing would it be? It would be uh >> It'd be a wire fencing. Hopefully
something similar to the existing fence. >> Your fence has to be 7 and 12 no matter what it's made out of. >> Even then we get six foot >> fence ordinance. >> We have a fence ordinance. Well, anybody on the planning board here? No. So, we don't have to worry about the fence
ordinance. >> Uh all right. So, I I think it's a great idea. Uh let's just button up some of the things and uh Jyn if you could get with Andy or and or Dan. >> Talk to Andy or Dan about this. >> Uh contact information and let's let's What are you looking at?
>> What kind of time? Yeah. >> Um yeah, we're hoping to get started like we're collecting funds now. Hopefully we'll um have enough by like June and can get started building sometime in June. But we're open pretty flexible. >> Do you know how much you'll need? Um,
not exactly, but um, we know that the fencing um, for like certain amount um, it just really depends on like the materials we get, but >> Okay. >> Do you know how to install a post? >> Um, I know last time when the the
existing garden um, they just like they got all the poles and like they had volunteers come and fill the hole with cement. Yeah, they didn't do cement. I think they filled it with there was like uh >> gravel or something. >> Yeah, some heard dirt. Yeah.
>> Okay. I mean, building a fence, erecting a fence is a lot of work. It really is. >> And um I think we wrote somewhere here that um we're gathering volunteers and we think we'll have enough people. That's >> good. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. So, great idea. Thank you.
>> Uh yeah, we'll stay in touch with uh with council >> if you could send me an email. of >> yhu at oldpan.net >> on the website. >> You can check on the website also. Yeah, >> sounds good. >> Good. >> Thank you. >> Good luck with coming in. Nice job. >> Yeah, good luck. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. >> Would anybody else from the public like to be heard on any matter this evening? >> Motion to close. Yep. Kim. >> No. Okay. You know the drill. >> I know the drill.
>> Eric Kirtland, 11 Triple Bush Road. Good evening, uh, mayor and council. So, I have a just a couple questions tonight. Keep it brief for um, specifically the um, burough attorney, but we obtained a copy of the rental
certificate that was submitted to the burrow for 20 Bush Road. Under the tenant section of that rental certificate, the names are listed of the personal names of the CEO and CFO of the operating organization Valley Spring, not the name of the company that's um
running that sober living house. This is an official government document submitted to Altapan Burough. It formerly represented to this burrow that the tenants of this property were two private individuals, not a business entity operating a sober living facility. So my first question to the burough
attorney to address um these questions is when this rental certificate was issued by the bureau, was the burrow aware that these two individuals were the CEO and CFO of a sober living business and that the property was intended for a sober living facility rather than a personal residence.
>> Uh when you say by the burrow, I don't know who in the burrow knew who was renting it and I don't know who that I assume that was submitted to the building departments. >> That would be Bob Russian zoning. you would have probably have that answer. >> And like I said, when we pulled that certificate, just had the two um the two names.
So then the next question is, does the name on the rental certificate match the name of the applicant on the DCA license application, uh case number 0243-00001? And the reason why is, you know, if there's a mismatch between who was listed as the official tenant of record
with this bureau and then who was listed as the licensed applicant with the DCA, that's a formal inconsistency between two official government documents that both agencies need to be made aware of immediately. >> So, so we we don't know who's listed on we don't have yet a copy of the
application that they made to the state. That is one of the things that council that was hired this evening is already looking into, >> I guess. Does anybody here have they pulled any of those records to know what the name of the business name is on the uh for the DCA application?
>> To the DCA, they didn't say >> come on up. Uh, >> but you never ask. >> Christine Clark, Charles, please. Um, I did speak to the DCA over a week ago and they mentioned it was an LLC that
applied for the license. They didn't say the name, but it definitely wasn't two individuals. And they mentioned that LLC had several of these homes already. >> Okay. >> So, I mean, just with that being said, it's between, you know, the mismatch of names. It's, you know, I asked you guys
if we can contact the Bergen County Prosecutor's Office as evidence of misrepresentation on a government document. I ask that you guys contact the New Jersey Office of Insurance Fraud Prosecutor as evidence that the nature of the tenency was concealed from official records
and I shall stop there for this evening. >> Well, I think all this information will be forwarded to our new council that we just hired and sounds like you make a lot of sense. >> Okay, perfect. We'll ask him to review your comments that are on his public record. >> Okay, thank you very much. Okay.
>> Just want to make you aware there was a junk truck and another truck there today clearing out. I'm not sure if you're aware or if you wondering if you guys instructed them to clear anything out. Um looked like they were there's a lot of activity there today with a truck
that junk on there. >> The only instruction they received was that the property had to be vacated. That was received by them like 10 days ago or a week ago. >> Received from the state or from you? from us specifically from me.
>> Okay. And that was be because of the >> because they were running a sober home without a class F license. >> Okay. But was there any mention that they were violating any of our codes as well or that it's >> just that they were operating without a class F license? That's all.
>> I would think we should probably also follow up that you're vi you know you're operating first of all the rental certificate wasn't accurate. You're violating our town codes. would allow for boarding houses. And my understanding is we historically have had an issue with somebody operating a home, I'm not sure exactly when, a few
years ago, as a boarding house on Old Tapan Road, renting out rooms. >> I'm not aware of that. >> Not aware of that either. >> That's something where my understand people were told they weren't allowed to do that. So, we have a precedent there um to look into.
I was going to do some digging, but I figured maybe you guys would know before I started digging further. >> Not aware of that. 108 Old Pan Road is my understanding. So, we definitely have zoning rules that we should also be throwing at them because like I said the last meeting, people aren't allowed to
rent out a piece of their property. We don't allow boarding homes. We don't want to start a precedent of violating our town codes. And also just I'm sure everybody here hasn't said it, but we're afraid of, you know, if we're allowing people to violate the town codes, you're going to set a precedent. And then also
it's going to affect all of our property values cuz I would not have bought my house knowing there's a business being run out out of my backyard. >> Understood. >> Um and then so happy you hired additional re resources. Um will that
attorney be providing us with updates? I understand it's not in everybody's interest to have this in a public forum >> if they'll be providing us with updates and we'll share what we feel we can at the time >> and I I'll I'll talk to the special attorney to see if there's any kind of
avenue that he could have conversations with the residents also. I do expect to be inviting him into a public meeting sometime in the future. >> That would be great. Yeah. and just recommending maybe subcommittee of residents that maybe are attorneys and have resources or have done some
research because there's a lot of people that have done their own research and could be helpful potentially or just to get him get him up to speed on things we've noticed at the other homes run by this facility. Um they were apparently running another house in closer without
a license for over a year. >> Two years. >> Um over yeah almost two years um without a license running the house. So, they have a history of doing things without following the proper protocol. So, >> I'm going to be making a phone call to
Mr. Lamb tomorrow. I'll I'll introduce this idea to him. I'll see what he feels about it, how he feels about it, >> and any ideas or paperwork you might have you want to share with Councilman, you or any of us. >> Sure. >> Great. >> Sure. >> Different concerns and discussions we
would love to share. And obviously there's a handful of us that are >> highly invested and have spent lots of hours >> and obviously this is a legal matter so there's things that he cannot >> absolutely understood and I think there's >> benefit to the town that we're not up
here asking questions constantly in a public forum. I feel like it's could just do more harm than good. >> Um I don't know if there's any other follow-ups from the last meeting. I think it'd be helpful for the attorney to speak with I know Bob Rush was here
speaking to us and also um the fire inspector, but they weren't the two that were actually at the home. So, I think he should speak with the two pe obviously the two of them plus whoever was actually there as an eyewitness of what was setup was in the home because that's
vital to more evidence of breaking codes and That's it for now. Anything else? >> Go ahead for evening. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for coming in. >> Thanks. >> Oh, hi. You have a very very quick
question. uh Vika Kadash Phyllis Drive. I just wanted to follow up whether property um was inspected after the prior meeting in terms of Bob Rush. Was he allowed on the property to inspect or fire inspectors?
>> So, yeah, I think we could say so. Bob Rush was uh at the property. Uh the state inspector from the DCA was at the property. They've they've taken some observations. They took some pictures. Uh they have not completed their report yet, but they were physically at the
location, got inside the building, looked around, took measurements, and did what they need to do, but that report has not been finalized yet. >> Thank you. Just wanted to make sure that they were at least allowed on the property. >> Yes. Okay. >> Hi, Mary Laviola, 16 Todd Lane. I second
the motion having a subcommittee of residents who were involved in the beginning of Bush if the attorney needs it. I mean, I'll be more than happy to be on the subcommittee. I'm sure Stephanie and Christine and Eric. So, if you need us, we're here.
>> I'm sure the attorney will be reaching out. Thank you. >> Okay. Anyone else from the public like to be heard on any matter this evening? >> Once, twice. >> Motion to close. Oh, >> come on. Christine, >> advocating for the group. Um, just
curious if you're planning to put in place any additional ordinances. I know we discussed potentially boarding. I know we have a general boarding house, but in relation to a school zone >> that that's part of something I discussed with the special counsel.
>> Okay. Um and there was also a recommendation of which we could obviously have a separate there's some other specific ordinances people said you could get a little bit clearer to be um a little bit stronger. Let me just add that this
attorney, we we went through a process and spoke to a few attorneys over the last few days. This attorney is experienced in this area specifically on this topic and we have a lot of faith that he um has a list of things that are
are being contemplated over the next few days and weeks. So have a little faith in in being able to do I appreciate the the offer to assist him. I don't want to run up the cap that we just put in place by having him read every email that
comes from residents. So let us give us a chance to manage um and as as um you have ideas or observations, let us know. >> And we're happy the committee here is
happy to speak to him in all of our updates. List out all of those and we'll be able to get you responses. Okay. So the residents that have done a lot of research and they have some court documents to share share with the whole council or subcommittee. >> There's a subcommittee subcommittee
>> and you can even just give us the numbers of if there's like document numbers or whatever. >> Um I would be surprised he he brought to us a series of
local related issues not local to Japan but surrounding towns >> before he was even retained. Right. It is everywhere. >> Okay. And did they allow the state inspector and Mr. Rush into all three structures?
>> No, only into the first structure. So, they were permitted to do >> that that included the the DCA also. >> Yeah. Inspector. >> Okay. Cuz my understanding is he was probably trying to put a bathroom in above the garage is what I heard. I I don't know if that's true or false. Um,
also related to that property, the third structure in the back, I don't know the whole history, but I believe the prior owner put that third what looks like a house, but is like a I guess a storage unit. I have no idea. On the property without a co, is that correct?
>> The previous owner that I know, >> previous owner before this guy bought it. So, there's the house, there's the garage, and then there's another >> There's three buildings. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Only one is for only one is for residential use. >> Was that? So, no one can live in the back one. No one can live. >> That building's been there a long long time.
>> Oh, since the early 1900s. >> Long time. >> They call it the book. >> I don't think I don't think the third building >> used to be a bakery. >> The third building. >> It was Zrisky's Bakery. >> Yeah. >> If you have the Ulta Pan book from 1976, you can see a big picture of it right there
>> with that third building in the back. >> I don't think so. >> It's just a picture of the bakers and the guys. What I heard, and this could be incorrect, so I'm just asking, that the previous owner had built that for his son to live in there, and I think they built it without a CO. I don't know if that's true. And then
>> I I'm just curious if that is the case. How was it does that third building even have a CO to even >> The property has a CO. The house has a CO. I mean, for people to live in it. Okay. That now it is a rental. It's not a CO. I I forget the terminology our zoning official used last meeting, but
it has a rental certificate >> rental certificate for better. >> Um, and the other two buildings are outliers, not meant for a garage storage, but they're not meant for people living in there. >> There's no bathroom, there's no kitchen. >> So, like I couldn't just build another
house in my backyard. I'm just curious like how they even put that in there if it's even in accordance with our zoning and should if not should it have been >> torn down most likely no >> Bob hasn't mentioned any issue with the
with it at all >> so I'm we can ask him but it's okay >> it wouldn't do an inspection on the property so just let let the process work itself out Okay.
>> So, we'll keep you posted if we see any activity. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> sir. >> Yeah. All the time you want. >> Doug Zimmerman, 278 Orangeburg Road. Uh, Mr. Mayor, last week you mentioned you
wrote a letter to the DCA. >> I did. >> Regarding the property. Um, one thing I want and I wish our friend the lawyer was back again. um because he referred to opening without a class class F license as an oversight. Y >> um they opened in Closter at 80
Nickerbacha Road in January 2022. >> Okay. >> And didn't receive a license until November 2023. >> So this is a pattern >> I agree >> of fraudulent behavior. >> And that was one of my comments was that yeah, they're they're nefarious acts.
>> Okay. Shouldn't warrant them a license. Um, I don't know how far that'll go, but I do uh I did write a letter on mayor stationary from >> the closer like the previous acts mentioned. >> No, I was not aware of anything that happened closer. >> Okay.
>> I kind of oversee old Japan. >> No, no, completely understand. >> And I'm sure the attorney that we just hired tonight, he's going to have all those facts and figures and he's a better legal fighter than probably I am. Uh so he'll um he'll he'll take those uh he'll take those things up. But I
specifically, you know, with many things with our infrastructure, with our volunteer EMS and fire, there's a whole list of things uh uh you know, that I listed out there in that, but definitely one of them was the fact that, you know, they're they're bad boys and girls opening this thing up without a license
and they should be punished for that. >> So, thank you. Okay, >> anybody else? Going once, twice. >> Motion to close. >> Second. All >> in favor? I. >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. So, we'll
move. We're going to go into our executive meeting if you want to hang around. We got other things. >> It's awesome, by the way. >> All right. Um, okay. We'll go right into our executive meeting. >> Roll call, please. >> Thanks, guys. >> We just want to say thank you for all your help and thank you very much. We
appreciate it. >> Welcome. >> All right. Nobody wants to hear about state, huh? >> Okay, >> we're not talking about state. >> You got to, you know, throw the bait a little bit. >> All right. >> Supermarket. Supermarket.
>> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Mayor, >> I'm here. >> Counciloman, >> yes. Here. >> Council. >> Councilwoman, >> here. >> Council, >> yes, here. >> Councilman Martine >> here. saying yes >> here. >> Okay. Burough engineers report.
>> Hi Tom. >> Hey Tom. >> Hello. Good evening. >> Couple things to report on tonight. The Central Avenue ramps are not done. >> I have seen the work order. I physically seen it. Um there was a question from the county. We had a little back and
forth. Um so he did send that over to me. I know it exists. So, it's in the operations division's hands. It's a matter of when they they get to it on their list. Um, I will I will follow up because it has been um maybe it's probably been a week since I followed up with them. So, I I can follow up again
and maybe get you some better information, but I know the work order exists. Um, the other thing I was going to mention is 2026 road program. Um, we talked about it pretty briefly last meeting. We have since thrown some streets together. Um, it would be Robin
Lane, Parker Place, Esther Court, Jean Court, Arrowhead Road, the golf course ramp on the right side as you go up toward the clubhouse is in bad shape. >> Always has been. >> And we're looking to do some curb in
front of Oaks Park. Um, we also have a subdivision that's being proposed currently on the corner of Central Avenue and Herring. So, my next report to the planning board will include a recommendation that if
that gets approved, they curb their width, which I think is 150 ft. Uh, and then we could do the rest. It kind of cuts our project by 40%. Um, but I did budget for >> the whole herring >> or just on on central
>> on central. Oh, just on. >> Yeah. Yeah. This >> there's no curbs on herring, I don't think. >> No. Yeah. >> Yeah. And Harring's only 24t wide, so I wouldn't recommend it there. But this recommendation came from the DPW for Central Avenue. Uh I think water just runs off the road there. >> Okay.
>> Um and it's a problem. So it's in the budget. If we get some help from that developer potentially, then that would save us a little bit of money. >> Um it did come up today that Hiring Drive East was another street that there were some complaints about. I think um
Andy took a look at it. Dan took a look at it. I believe um really the the issues are concentrated down at the end near Ant Street where the water company did work and also we have this other subdivision that's potentially going to
happen. So >> where's that? >> I'm sorry. >> Where's that? >> Another subdivision >> on Herring and Central that long skinny. >> Oh, that one. Oh, okay. They said another another >> Robert. Yeah, not another one. Sorry. >> I was picturing in the back of Ant Street. I'm like >> No, no, no. >> Okay. Um, so Haring Drive East I don't
think will be part of this year's program, but just based on the streets that I mentioned and the curb, um, we're almost at the $300,000 number that's budgeted. So, um, you know, asphalt is is high right now. Um, I probably
overestimated that cost. So, I think we'll be fine with these streets. And, you know, asphalt could come down in the short term. You just never know. It's pretty volatile. But um that's really it. So if you have any questions, I will try to answer them.
>> Anything for Tom? >> Thank you, Tom. >> Thanks, Tom. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thanks, Tom. >> Um okay, council committee reports. Let's start uh let's start with Donna tonight. >> Oh, wow. This is exciting. >> Tom,
>> I don't I don't actually have much for tonight. um for the wreck commission um they have a new I mentioned last meeting they have a new Instagram and they're really want to um invite the town to
participate through social media. So they're going to be doing a lot of postings and like kind of month at a glance type of so what's coming up in the next month. We have soccer registration you wouldn't believe is going to reopen again. So that's June 1st. So that's in a few weeks. The movie
night movies in the park have been set June 5th. They're having Zootopia 2. And then there's July 10th and August 28th are the two other movies. And then on July 12 on June 12th, we talked about a live stream of the USA versus Paraguay
game and that starts at sundown. So that's what's coming up over the next month. Library. I don't I don't have much of a an update at all. They'll report when we have the next >> fundraiser still on. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. That's in June. >> Still need me to
>> Yes. You are the murder victim. >> The victim. >> Okay. I'm afraid of that these days. All right. Half the town might come. >> Oh, yeah. Really? >> Uh, okay. Anything else? That's No. Okay. >> Thank you, man.
>> Uh, EMS, April calls. It was a light month. Nine total calls and uh none of them were uh mutual aid, which is pretty rare. So, that's pretty cool. Uh I just want to remind everybody on uh May 16th
1 p.m. Oaks Park uh we're doing the EMS uh bench dedication for D and Lynn for their 50 plus years of service. So be nice to get a crowd there. Um and I think that's all set up with the uh ambulance score as far as an ambulance and crew and stuff. Lastly on EMS I want
to welcome Alina Chung um 428 uh 2026 EMT position. So that's great. Um, and I said lastly, and I I apologize, I want to actually read a letter um from our officer in charge um
that went to the ambulance corp, and I think it should be recognized. Dated April 22nd. Um, Ultan Ambulance Corp. I would like to express my sincere thanks and gratitude to emergency medical technicians Antha and Gianna. In February, Antha and I briefly discussed getting our officers
CPR certified. She promptly followed up and took the initiative to begin enrolling our officers in the online portion of the training. Antha also worked closely with me to coordinate scheduling for the practical sessions. Throughout the process, she was thorough, cooperative, and flexible,
accommodating our evolving schedule and any necessary changes. Both Antha and Gianna were professional, knowledgeable, and enthusiastic in their instruction. Their dedication to ensuring our officers were properly trained was evident and greatly appreciated. I want
to make sure that the Ultipan Ambulance Corps is aware of what valuable assets Anita and Giana are. We are grateful for their time, effort, and commitment. We would also like to thank the Ultipan Ambulance Corps for all that they do in service to our community. We value our partnership and look forward to
continuing our strong working relationship in the future. Sincerely, Katherine Weaver, officer in charge of the Pan Police Department. So, I thought that was very nice. um schools um all are invited to join actually
tomorrow May 5th 2 p.m. at TBD the second grade class is hosting a um uh an assembly honoring the Altapan civil servants. Um so all are invited if anybody wants to attend. Unfortunately I have a pretty busy work schedule
tomorrow so I won't be able to go. >> When is that? tomorrow at TBD. Um, yeah, May 5th, 2 p.m. Um, and it's called, uh, A Hero Like You, Honoring Civil Servants in Old Japan.
Uh, let's see. And then lastly, I just want to say I'm actually looking forward to our Memorial Day parade where we will be honoring our military personnel who died in service for this country. So, looking forward to that. That's all I have. >> Okay. Thank you.
That was very warm. Why? I can I don't have to go in any order. >> Go by looks like this. I'm going by. >> I get that. I got that. I got the >> Got that feel. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh first of all, I wanted to apologize for meeting uh for
missing uh the last uh special meeting. I was picking my son up from college. I drove 22 hours in a 36-hour period. Most of it was in rain. So, >> oh man, it >> was a tough drive. Um, all right. So,
some updates. OEM. Uh, busy April. Uh, they attended a course on special event advanced risk assessment. Uh, it was given by the New Jersey Department of Homeland Security. Uh, they attended the drone group meeting that was with the state police and county OEM. Uh, they're
going to start a countywide drone program. Uh, someone also someone's getting their part 107 pilots license. Not sure what that's about. Um, and mayor for a day visit. Uh, I guess Andy had spoken to
Grayson about emergency management and what it was about. Upcoming things for OEM, uh, active shooter training, uh, Memorial Day parade pre-planning. Uh, they're awaiting the emergency operations plan back from the state
police. Uh also hurricane season preparedness as hurricane season is uh approaching uh situations in town. They were actively monitoring the situation at the high school and the fire at Leonard
Drive. Uh in terms of report from fire um since the last council meeting, there have been 12 calls uh 91 man hours. Uh year to date, 81 calls, 527 man hours. Uh, in terms of notable calls, I'm
actually going to read the report directly from our chief uh because uh I don't want to miss out uh giving credit uh to anyone specifically. So, uh he writes, "On April 28th, 2026, at approximately 6:39 a.m., a neighbor
noticed flames and smoke coming from the rear side of uh Leonard Drive, 48 Leonard Drive. They immediately called 911 and the Altapan Police Department and Altapan Fire Department responded. Additionally, due to an automatic mutual aid in place whereby Rivervale Fire
Department and Northvale Fire Department respond automatically when there is a report of smoke or fire, those two departments began responding without delay. Upon the police officers arriving on scene, they confirmed that there was in fact a working structure fire. Deputy
Chief Christopher Riley requested an immediate second alarm which summoned Harrington Park ladder truck norid for a riit team closer fire department for their air truck and old Tapan EMS utility companies Hillsdale Fire
Department as well as Spark Hill Fire Department, Orangeburg Fire Department and Tapan Tapen Fire Department to stage at and cover the old Tapan Fire Department during the course of operations. All crews worked diligently and were able to extinguish the fire at
around 8:00 a.m. There were no injuries to residents pets and there was one minor injury to an old Japan firefighter. Uh in terms of training, there's regular training tonight uh and apparatus. All apparatus are in service and they're
patiently awaiting the new 43 rescue uh which will be delivered sometime this month. And that is the end of my report. >> Thank you, sir. Councilman Yu. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Coming up on Thursday, May 7th, our seniors will be
hosting uh their annual openhouse and meet and greet. If you plan on uh stopping by, it's at 11:30 at our senior center. You could find out about all the programs that Old Pan has for their seniors. And on a sad note, I just
learned that one of the active um committee members is infirmed and in the hospital. We'll all be praying for a quick uh speedy recovery. Report of the DPW. Some of the work completed in April. They completed the
first round of street sweeping picking up 30 tons of debris. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. It's a lot. Uh started their branch shipping program, started mulch and compost deliveries, and I don't know if it's true, but it seems like quantities may be limited this year, so
get your order in early. Uh they completed pothole repair in town, applied fertilizer and weed control on all burrow fields, helped out at several senior events, repaired batting cages, and set up for baseball and softball opening day, began work at Veterans
Memorial Site at Oaks Park. They provided assistance to the fire that Councilman Guan was talking about on Leonard Drive last week. The mechanics have been very busy with a lot of work coming their way. So, that's a good sign, unless it's our our stuff that's
breaking down. There were several emergency pump calls during the month, and there seems to be a serious problem with the pump station at uh the new one at Park and Arbor. Since it is a lot of rentals, they they
don't take care of what they throw down the um the uh the drains. So, they found a lot of rags stuck in the in the propellers and a lot of grease. So, maybe we need some kind of um
communication with the owners there to let their tenants know to be a little kinder to our sewers. That concludes my report, Mr. Mayor. >> Thank you, Council President. >> Uh yes, the police department. I'm going
to have a full full report at our next meeting at our at our regular meeting in May. Uh, but I just wanted to touch on the um the incident at the at the high school where they they had a kid who brought a you know BB gun to school or whatever and it was a whole big thing
and rightfully so. Uh but my the reason I bring it up is the way our police handled it was so good. the way that the everything just lines up. The county, the K-9, the the uh Bergen County prosecutor, all the other
towns, Norwood, North, whoever shows up, everybody's in line and knows what to do. And it's worked really well. And kudos to uh Officer in Charge Weaver, who's done a great job handling this and making it run as smooth as could be.
Besides the fact that she keeps me up to date during the during the process, which is not required, but it's nice that she does that and uh it keeps keeps me up to date. So, otherwise, I'll have a full report with uh financials and stuff in the end of May.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um just a couple of points I want to bring up tonight. Uh as part of the mayor's wellness program, um I will be taking part in walk with the mayor. Um, I'm not sure if Rebina is setting that up, but on June 6th, I think it's the night after our our uh
movie night. Um, and on July 11th, both Saturdays, and I think that's after is there a movie on July 11th or July 10th? >> Uh, doesn't matter. But, um, but I will be uh um >> July with some residents and staying in
shape, getting my steps in. I'll put my Fitbit on and make sure I record >> walk with them to the movie. >> There you go. Well, that's the night before. So, they better not be there when we walk on Saturday morning. They better be out of the out of the field. So, anyway, that's that's kind of exciting. I think it's the first time we're doing a walk with the mayor. So,
I'm looking forward to that. Um, now that our budget is passed, I'll ask that you reach out to your department heads and let them know uh you know that the budget was approved on uh the capital items and things like that. I know
the I believe we funded for the renov the the rehab the renovation if you will of uh 43 engine um which is the first time we're doing that and I and I think it's it's really wise but I want to make sure that we have the right committee in
place and that might entail more than the chief and a deputy chief and it might kind of involve more of our bur our me our fire department mechanic and Tom Young and our assistant in Dan Hartman to make sure that that process
gets off on the right foot. Uh so that's probably the first time we're doing that. So I'd like to see that that um that uh goes as planned. Um as everyone was leaving the room, I did uh I did tease some people. I do have some information on uh on BSA Plaza. I
reached out to the new owners or if it's not signed yet, it is deep into into contract. Um, as as most know that we uh during our fourth round affordable housing fair our our plan to fair share is that we put an
overlay zone over Bystate Plaza and probably within 30 days uh the the the ownership of Bystate Plaza uh went into negotiations with a new owner, new buyer. >> Oh, I didn't even know that. >> And they I'm sorry. >> I I wasn't aware.
>> Yeah, it's it kind of came up real quick. Uh they reached out. I uh uh they wanted to have a quick meet and greet. Myself, our burough attorney, uh John Zabel, our planner, um Anna was there
and uh and Bill Boyce uh was there and we had a quick meet and greet. They were still, this is probably 3 weeks ago. There was nothing public yet, but he wanted to kind of get ahead. He showed us an early rendering that had some potential. Um, but you know, back to the
drawing board and he knows what he's allowed to do in there or not. And they asked it just to they asked a couple of questions on what's the most important thing and I said a supermarket is the most important thing >> and he kind of knew that and he comes
from a retail background. So that their their plans and again it's super early in the in the in the process there but their plans would they know that they have to incorporate a uh a supermarket of some of some kind of supermarket. Uh
obviously they're allowed to h introduce a housing element to that and um so it was an interesting early early meet and greet and uh uh he looks forward to working with the town uh Juan and Bill serving on the planning board. they'll be rolling their sleeves up um you know
over the next several years probably. So uh um but progress there and it only really took 30 days for us to put the overlays on over like for the family. So um >> so the sale is done. I don't know if it's done done, but it's uh it's um
you know, Juan called me the other day and he asked me if I knew and I said I knew they were in talks. They were in uh but when we met it wasn't done, but I think you all indications that it's heading in that direction. >> Is there any information or are you aware of any information about the new
owners like what they've done in other sites? >> Um I could forward you there the name of the company. I mean, he mentioned in the meeting that they were involved in, you know, retail. I mentioned some stuff they did on Long Island. I think the architect was somewhat involved in the
the design of Coaster Plaza. And I put my foot in my mouth first and said, "Oh, the parking there is atrocious." He said, "I had everything to do with the park but the parking." I said, "Terrible." >> Um, but um it was it was I think it's exciting. It's going to take some time. Um, but it's been something that a lot
of residents have been talking about for a long time. And um, I think we'll take the opportunity with the plan that we submitted is to provide a first class downtown, main street, whatever you want to call it area for Ultan, cafes,
bakeries, restaurants, you know, I said I don't need to go there and buy my sneakers. Um, but I want to go out and and >> get a gallon of milk. get a gallon of milk and I'd like to be able to enjoy, you know, a nice bakery there, you know, a nice uh, you know, uh, a wine store
perhaps, more than just a liquor store or something, you know, something a little more class. >> Uh, and he understood >> and we'll go from there. >> Nice. Anyway, >> now we all know that, but they don't
know that because they left. Maria's going to tell everybody. >> Anyway, um by stay walk with the mayor and budget. So, that's all I have. So, uh if if nobody has anything else, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? All right.
>> All right. All right. This is >> I don't want to be caught flatfooted at this guy like goes around opening up pot shops and stuff like