the time now is 7 p.m i will now call this meeting to order at this time I please ask everyone to silence your cell phones or any other electronic device your greeters tonight at the door are Fire Chief Howard Bailey and Police Captain Chris Roos recording Secretary Ashley
Clements Assistant City Clerk Taylor Lochert Deputy Mayor Zone One Commissioner Lori Tolland good evening everyone glad you're here Zone 2 Commissioner Travis Sargent good evening welcome Zone 3 Commissioner Kristin Deaton stepped out but she will be back and we'll reflect on the record when she does step back in uh Zone 4 Commissioner Harold Briley good evening everyone and welcome City Manager Joyce Shanahan Assistant City Manager Claire Whitley and we have Shawn Finley sitting in
the front row there assistant oh City Attorney Randy Hayes and in the far corner over there we have Police Chief Jesse Godfrey Fire Chief Howard Bailey and I am Mayor Jason Leslie this time I would like to call on Chaplain Edgar Restrepo to do the invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance
good evening good evening good evening i would like to share a passage from Micah 6:8 oh people the Lord has told you what is good and what requires of you to do justice love mercy and walk humbly with your God these timeless words from the book of Micah offer a beautiful frame for public service regardless of personal background the call is to just to do justly to love mercy and walk humbly is a deeply beautiful thing in the civic life to strive for
fairness in every policy protecting the dignity of each resident and ensuring that there is no voice that goes unheard to lead with compassion to remember that behind every issue is a human story to let God guide us when the answers are complex and to be humble when entrusted with the welfare of others may these principles grant us today if you feel comfortable please join me as I pray mighty God please help us today guide us as we with integrity and fairness make decisions
give us the courage to do what is right choosing kindness listening deeply and lifting up those who are vulnerable recognizing that we are part of something larger than ourselves and that true leadership begins with service may the decisions made here today reflect these values and bring us about peace unity and hope for all who are who call this place home in your name we pray amen
amen i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you you may be seated moving on to the presentation and proclamation section agenda today
we have one presentation i'd like to invite Kevin Hayden from the Florida Department of Transportation to present good evening how are you good evening how are you so my name is Kevin Hayden and actually I also have Ed Kestory here with me we're both with FDOT and we just want to present to you tonight with uh some updates for our construction
projects oh there we go all right so um we have two projects in construction in the City of Ormond Beach um we have State Road 40 uh from US1 to A1A and then we also have A1A from State Road 40 up to Roberta Road and I'm going to go a little more in depth on those two projects and
then I'll just touch on the two nearby projects which are A1A from US92 to Milsap Road that's in the city of Daytona Beach uh however the very northern piece of that actually does overlap into the city of Ormond Beach and then we also have the A1A secant wall project which um is actually two walls but we'll talk about the south wall really because that's in or by the sea all right the first project State Road 40 um again that's from US1 as you can see on the
map up there US1 to A1A um we're not really doing anything with the bridge itself over the Halifax River um I think the the theme of all these projects I'm going to talk about tonight are uh is safety um so on the State Road 40 project um some of the features that we're constructing out there is uh I'll start off with the traffic calming features where we're going to uh narrow the lanes we're adding um bulbouts which are those concrete islands that you see on the side of the
the road there and also slight curves we also call them chicanees um we're going to reduce the speed limit from 35 mph to 30 mph um and then there's on this project we have three pedestrian crossings two of them are existing and then one of them is a new crossing um the all three are going to have P what we call PHBs those are pedestrian hybrid beacons those are overhead um signals for the
vehicles to stop so the pedestrians can cross and two of these uh crossings one of the existing and the the new crossing will be raised uh crosswalks um also we'll have two mass arm signal poles so those will replace what you traditionally have the span wires but these will be the nicer looking poles that the signals will be mounted on and then uh last we'll be resurfacing the roadway i'm going to hand it over to Ed to kind of talk about some of these features
thank you Kevin okay so uh let's begin we'll continue on with the State Road 40 project so um as you can see here what we have done throughout the corridor so it goes from US1 crosses a bridge and goes to A1A some of the existing areas that were striped out gored out what we have done to help improve safety and slow speeds is we've constructed some of these um raised features kind of islands within those gourd areas we didn't really add any new ones so we've done that there was also some small sections of intermittent bike lanes along this the corridor and sometimes that is confusing for the bicyclist so those were
removed um and as we did that it gave us room to help narrow the lanes we provided some um lane deflection chicaneing it kind of helps give some curvature to the roadway to help also reduce speeds uh one of the issues I know we we've had some concerns about this when we've constructed some of these elements working with our contractors sometimes they do things a little bit out of sequence as these projects are these are typically resurfacing projects but we are doing a lot of different safety elements along with these projects and these are fairly new for
us they're quite a bit different from what we typically have done in the past and as such our contractors too they've you know kind of have some growing pains with them and I know we've had some concerns with how these things were constructed and striping but we've worked through the with the through the issues through that but the contractor we've identified some best practices things we're going to do moving forward that will help them get these things in the right sequence and construct them all within one operation so when the lanes close at night they construct this the motors come out in the daytime and see this things will look normal so we think those issues should be
resolved now just to go a little bit more in depth about the pedestrian hybrid beacon so along the corridor there there's three that we're uh installing um one is at the current location where the crossing is at Washington uh street there we're upgrading that one kind of changing how the signal or the crosswalk moves across the roadway there um that will uh that will be an atgrade crossing uh we upgrading the one near Ormond Garage there
a little bit further to the east that will be a raised crossing so it's basically staying in a loca the same location we're slightly shifting it a little bit just due to drainage and other issues but it's fairly pretty much in the same location and then the third location is across the bridge on the east on the beach side right near the uh the uh strip mall area there where we're going to provide a crossing that will be a race crossing as well uh all three crossings will have inroad lighting and pedestrian lighting as well and as Kevin mentioned these type of signals they they
operate pretty much like a regular traffic signal so the motors will get a red signal to stop and then a green signal when it's safe for them to move forward after the pedestrians have crossed and as they do that pedestrians they come up they push a button it takes a few seconds it cycles through just like a normal signal yellow red then green for the pedest I mean red for the cars to stop that gives the pedestrians a signal to cross and then once they're across and it turns green so okay back over all right the next road we're going to talk about is uh State Road
A1A um from 40 Granada up to Roberta Road uh very similar features that we're adding to this project again we're um traffic calming features lanes are narrowed uh we're adding bulb outs and slight curves um the chicanees uh again we're going to reduce the speed limit from 35 mph to 30 um on this project we're actually going to have 13 new pedestrian midblock crossings and instead of having the the PHB which is that overhead signal
um these will have the rapid rectangular flashing beacons which is a a mouthful to say um we also call them RRFBs which isn't much easier um and then also uh four of those will be raised pedestrian crosswalks as well in addition to that we're going to have three speed tables which are similar to the raised pedestrian crosswalks except there's no pedestrian crossing those are just there to help slow the vehicles down um and on this project
um we're we're installing a multi-use path and and last also we're going to resurface the roadway and uh Ed's going to talk about the raised pedestrian crosswalk here yeah so as Kevin mentioned there there's four raised crossings here and they are the RRFB type and pretty much those act kind of like on demand so the pedestrian will press the button the lights will flash they will look you know left right make sure motorists have acknowledged them once they stop then they cross
the road um it also allows motorists once uh pedestrians have crossed their side of the road they can continue on so it operates a little bit differently than uh pedestrian hybrid beacon to PHB it's more like an ondemand signal um but again these all all these crossings whether they're raised or at grade they'll have inroad lighting to kind of draw attention from the cars as they approach the the uh the crosswalk and it will have um pedestrian lighting as well okay right so um during the construction of this project um we have three detours
one of them we've already completed um that was down um trying to remember Neptune Road that was phase one so I'm not showing that up here only because we've already completed it right now we're in the the phase 2 detour our current detour and that's down um Amsden Road that takes you to Halifax and then you'll go south on Halifax to Granada and then you can either go back to A1A or you can go west to the mainland um at the intersection of Amsden and Halifax we've
installed a temporary four-way stop i just want to emphasize that that is temporary as soon as we're done with the detour we'll remove the stop signs there and we also have a a flagman there that is helping direct traffic through that intersection especially if it gets backed up then we'll move on to the phase three detour um so when phase two completes we're thinking around early July and that's when we'll move to the phase 3 detour on the phase 3 detour um we'll the vehicles will
take Standish over to Halifax and then continue south to Granada and and I don't have it up there but we're thinking that the phase 3 detour will probably probably be finished around mid September all right okay uh on to the next slide so I'm not going to cover every bolt on this slide but there are two main concerns there one is a landscaping and tree removal and the other is a multi-use path the shared use path so let's address the landscaping first so as we come in and do these
projects many times you have to remove landscaping and replace it so our our goal is to save as many trees as possible and a lot of them are affecting where we are putting the multi-use trail and so our goals like I said we're going to protect as many trees as possible current typically what happens in a project like this we will come back after construction is done and do a landscape contract the reason we do that is because if we do it that way we get a longer warranty period we get a two-year period as opposed to a one-year period if we do it with the construction contract so that is something too that we're we're going to evaluate too is coming back and doing that
um the shared use path the multi-use path so uh we did receive some community feedback and some concerns over the material type that was used and also the elevation of the trail itself in certain locations appeared to be high so we went back with our engineer of record we addressed some of those concerns they went back through the data they have and what they found is there was some errors in the survey data that they they received which resulted in the trail being high so they are in the in the process now should be coming in very shortly u to revise the plans for those particular areas send that back to the contractor he'll take that out regrade it and put at the
proper elevation so you won't notice that kind of really high trail as you see now so that will be taken out along with that you know we received the concerns about asphalt as opposed to concrete um so this would be the opportune time to if we're going to change material to do it so we are doing that so um just As luck would have it you know and I'm sure you guys go through to the thing the same type of situation when you get to the end of the year is when usually the beginning of fiscal year everyone's trying to conserve budget the end of the year there's always excess so we
did contact our central office counterparts they did have and these are specialized trail funds are used to construct this trail it helps us maximize our resurfacing dollars they did have extra funds so we got with them we told them what we needed to com make the conversion to concrete um it's already been programmed um the the plan revision is in the works and that will be happening so um like I said it'll be just a short period of time the contractor's got to go back remove what he's installed the asphalt take the base material back down to the proper elevation and um we're
working out with the contractor we've already got quotes from him so um actually came in much better than we anticipated so I think we're all pretty happy with that and we're moving forward with concrete so thank you thank you um does does anybody in the commission have any questions i'm pretty sure we do just just one more question i'm sorry just a quick question uh two things I guess and it gets back to Granada Boulevard one was that originally supposed to be a resurfacing project as well yes these are all resurfacing projects and u I thought it was Yes so and when we're trying to
address safety the time to do it is when you're there resurfacing we can come back and do it later it does result in tearing up the asphalt in many cases it doesn't look the same so it Right i know you're doing the concrete or the the banding for the crosswalks and that type of stuff as well the sidewalk stuff um the medians and we've had a lot of comments about the medians with the the I guess you call them not necessarily a bulb out but where you have the concrete cut for the median for the pedestrian refuge then you have the extended media out into into the intersection we get a lot
of phone calls about that a lot of it's hard for a lot of vehicles towing trailers to negotiate that um any thoughts i know they've removed a couple they move removed the one down here at the foot of the bridge um you know I don't know to me personally I don't know if it's a it's a if it's a real safety issue for pedestrian to be standing there when vehicles are turning especially if they can't negotiate what's there i don't want you know pedestrians to be hit right any thoughts on that um are are you referring to like the medians the ones like in the center of the roadway
the concrete medians that come out they extended those and I know why they did it they did it for for pedestrian safety but if a pedestrian gets caught there folks are turning i mean they're already they're already clipping those ends of those medians i just don't think a pedestrian is going to be very safe there right well I mean just looking at from a design perspective that is one reason why they kind of put them out there to make people make a wider turn to stay away from pedestrians and to go slower as they're making those turns but we can certainly look at that and evaluate those and when we go through this design process when they're analyzing turn
movements there's a computer program we use to design our our projects and it's based off survey data and they do use larger trailers and trucks to make those turning movements to make sure they can now I understand you know some people they're just used to them not being there and it takes a while to adjust but it's definitely something we can go back and look at and if it makes sense we can look at if it seems like it's kind of a little bit too far out there we can adjust those just like you said like the one at the bridge okay and my last question is and I know in talking to folks and actually you know utilizing the bridge the pedestrian you know and and this
is not for this but maybe future consideration the current pedestrian facilities we have on our bridge are narrow and you have light posts the decorative light lamp posts in that walkway has there ever been any thought given to bringing that barrier wall out into the bike lane and then making that a multi-use facility well it just so happens my previous job here at the department for this I was the structures maintenance engineer so what that entails is I was in charge of all the bridges and mass any structure within the the nine counties of the district so basically that position what I did is we inspected all the bridges so I was out
here many nights cuz we do at night and we also do repair project so as we do the inspection if we find an issue we design a repair plan that particular issue did come up and we looked at it and I think there were some issues with actually widening that bridge i think when we looked at it if you recall the light post in the middle barrier came down i think it might have been Hurricane Matthew and we replaced those and that was a concern at that time we were asked to look at and I think there were some issues with Well I'm not necessarily thought widening the bridge itself just those barrier walls bringing them where the bike lane is put them where the bike lane is and then you'd have a wider pedestrian facility right so if I recall
where the last beam is on the outside there the overhang from that beam can only be so far unless you add another beam line i think that was the concern there gotcha okay thank you thank Lori okay thank you so um Harold thank you for bringing that up i mean one of one of my goals and and maybe if you can relook at this I would appreciate that is to connect our trails you know with the the bike pedestrian trail and our bridge is one of the biggest obstacles for that
and if there is some way that you can look at um maybe moving that concrete over and using it more of a multi-use trail I'd appreciate or maybe in your engineering you can figure out something else that's not what I was going to say originally but I I needed to piggyback on that um the grind crosswalk the the crosswalk downtown is that going to be a straightforward is that going to be one of those that we have now where you walk and you kind of jig jag i'll let Kevin I'll defer
that to Kevin but I believe it is it was more of a a zigzag crossing as you say it's still going to my understanding it's still going to be like that but the distance isn't going to be as much it's going to be a smaller transition from one side to the other it looks like the new center portion is still still the zigzag it What's the reason for that i'm just curious i mean because people don't zigzag i mean if you're walking you go most people just kind of go straight across i don't know i'm I'm just throwing that out there i I think Well with the concern so the way this
the crossing was originally constructed I think there was a concern because it wasn't there was no stabilization there well there was RFP i think they were concerned that when someone crosses they could get into position where they can't cross both sides before this the the flashing RFP goes away i mean now we're going to have a different type of signal the issue is and we did try to make it straight and adjust it but there's issues with the driveway there at the garage and also the grind working with the property owners there were some issues there some difficulties where we couldn't actually make it like we wanted without reconstructing it and again we could have done it
the the property owners had concerns so we tried to accommodate their concerns and kind of make it the best we could i appreciate that and this is the most important thing thank you thank you thank you for listening to the residents and hearing what they were saying about the material for the the multimodal path concrete definitely is um what Ormond deserves and I really appreciate that and as um as my commissioners up here know I'm a tree person so anytime you can try to save a tree and
plant back um a a nice native landscape I'm all in thank you so much so thank you so so much for listening appreciate it Commissioner Sargent thank you um a couple things the beacons that flash like we have at Milsap over that area that we're going to have elsewhere we really need to do education on these because I think it's very confusing that you proceed with caution on a blinking red
light it's very confusing and I can't tell you how many cars back up on A1A cuz it's very confusing um I'm surprised we haven't had more rear end collisions there but I just think education wise I know this is something new but Sean did you want to say something i'd love to um we will work with DOT on that that's one of one of the five eyes is educ or five E is to educate um DOT has a great presentation that they do uh um material to to help people basically learn how
to cross the street i think the Trooper Steve is involved in one of the some of the videos and so we will work with them to get all that and have Jenn post it on you know our different social um means and and get it out there but um reaching out to our residents reaching out to the hotels that's a big one to to have our visitors who who are new to the area who maybe haven't seen these types of crosswalks where they where they've come from learn reteaching people look left look right look left again is just simple stuff that that we will work on here because um as they showed as as
as our friend showed we've got 13 new crosswalks that are activated on the north pen we've got eight on the south pen they the the project in Daytona Beach adds more of those crosswalks going up into into Ormond by the Sea there's even more of those crosswalks that's how we're going to have really effective ability to cross the street is by having consistency from one community to the other i I I've used Pinellas County as as as going back when we started doing these talks of how to do it right going from Clearwater south through the Gulf Beaches into into St Petersburg
they've got 83 or 85 of these every thousand feet that's what gets the consistency so um I really appreciate everything that FDOT has done for us and I appreciate them coming out tonight um they we will meet with them next Wednesday um so if anybody has any any concerns that they'd like to bring up further get it to me i'll be I'll be glad to be the the conduit for that and to share with them and and um again I appreciate everything that they've done coming out here tonight and um presenting and and certainly making making the listen listening to our residents and listening
to to to our concerns is is is the biggest part of our relationship here so thank you still have I still have a couple more comments the narrowed lanes i'm I'm gonna wait until it's all complete and and hopeful it's right but last week I got a text from a gentleman that was driving down and car went by one of the chicanees if you will and knocked his mirror off his truck doing the speed limit and I know it's just the markings so hopefully when it's all complete I do worry
about in front of the Ormond Art Museum the one where now you have bicyclists riding towards the beach and they have nowhere to go but into traffic um that's concerning to me um thank you for changing the asphalt to concrete that's huge that's huge for our residents asphalt in a beach community with residents walking their dogs or coming home from the beach or whatever to walk on black asphalt in summer i'm very pleased that we're change y'all are changing that to concrete
um the sidewalks on the bridge I can't tell you how many times my wife would come home when she would push the stroller there is no room to push a stroller with those lights i don't think widening it or anything just moving those light poles to the outside like every we are the only bridge in Volusia County that have the lights in the sidewalk and you can't push a double stroller going through there it's just very difficult and I heard 9 months 10 months however long it was my wife was pushing the strollers um um once again thank you for listening to our residents being a
great partner with the city and being here tonight we really appreciate it thank you you're welcome uh and I'll uh I'll echo my colleagues here again on everything and we really appreciate everything you guys do um but just going back to the blinking lights for just a quick second um you know it used to be a yellow flashing light it you know is there anything that you could say about the red blinking light that will put the community a little bit more at ease and and even us here at the DIS about the effectiveness of having the red blinking light versus the the old style that
they had the old color i believe they still are that yellow amber color that the RFP is a rapid rectangular flashing beacon yeah right so the RFBs Yeah there's they're still like that they're the same color they still blink they're just like that um one thing we found is the inroad lighting when it comes on it does draw attention so the drivers see it cuz sometimes you're right and I've seen it myself i will go out there and walk these crosswalks just to see the driver behavior and I'll press it and I can make eye contact and they aren't even looking at the light but the inroad light definitely helps draw their attention to realize hey there's someone trying to cross the
road the other ones the PHB pedestrian hybrid beacons those don't blink they act just like a traffic signal they do not blink at all so there there shouldn't be any confusion and those are typically it depends on the crossing and how many pedestrians you have we do count on that and and also speed limit is a factor of where we can and cannot use these um but they they do not flash so they'll just like a traffic signal there'll be a red a red solid signal for the cars to stop and then a green solid for them to go and as they get the red solid ball just like a traffic signal stop
the pedestrians will get the walk signal so those will act just like a uh like a regular signal gotcha okay well any other questions no seeing none thank you thank you really appreciate it oh at this time we'll hear from those of you who have signed a card to speak about any item which is not on the printed agenda for this meeting including any items on the consent agenda each person will be given a total of 3 minutes i have uh quite a bit of cards here so I think what I'll do for
time reasons is I'll call two names i'll call the speaker and I'll just call somebody on deck and if you want to sit in the front that'll make it a little faster here um first one is Amber Bobac and we have Arthur Armstrong on deck hello Amber oh I'm getting stuck in my hair uh good evening Mayor Leslie and commission and staff thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight and thank you for your time professionalism and cooperation throughout the process of the Circle K proposal
i want to especially thank the city staff for having consistently communicated with clarity and respect even when the topics at hand were complex and often contentious you dedicate your dedication to due process and your service to the residents of Ormond Beach are generally appreciated i also want to recognize the work of the planning board while they did not make a formal recommendation on the project in question their willingness to consider potential changes to the land development code particularly in regard to public safety and proximity of fuel stations to residential areas
is both encouraging and important their decision showed a real interest in preserving the long-term health and safety of our community as for the recent approval of the site plan review committee I want to speak from the heart while I understand that the SPRC's role is largely administrative and governed by code compliance it is deeply disheartening to see a project move forward that has generated such significant concern the SPRC's approval through procedural though procedural does not fully reflect the voices of the residents who have expressed opposition many of whom
believe this project could negatively impact the safety traffic flooding and quality of life of the neighborhood this is not just about the project it's about how we grow as a city how we protect our neighbors and how we balance development with the character and well-being of our community i believe we can and should look harder at how our code aligns with modern re realities and the values of our residents public safety must remain in the forefront of every planning decision and I encourage you to support the planning board's interest in revisiting and possibly amending
parts of the code to reflect the priority thank you again for your service and listening to the concerns of the community you serve thank you Amber Arthur and just for a second before you speak I just want to get on the record here which I didn't do before is that we have Commissioner Deaton present um so I just wanted to put that on the record thank you Arthur and on deck we have uh Mark Gistweight good evening everyone Mr mayor commissioner commissioners appreciate the time to
speak this evening i'm asking to remove from the consent agenda item number eight letter K from the city commissioners meeting of this evening May 20th 2025 u excuse me um there as to this point there has really not been any input from the public to speak to the issues what's going on over there at the airport and uh of course the potential for losing our golf course which I that's one of the reasons I'm here i want to play golf there again uh I used to in one time
was fun you go through Bear Creek through the back gate and all the way up when you when your golf cart when you were visiting over there didn't even have to take a cart but now we don't have a golf cart facility over there we need that back um and with that we have not had the impact or you've not allowed us to have the impact in the community for maybe resolving some of the solutions over there that um that to see it what need there really is to expand that airport we have right now and I've I I've been Steven Lichliter and myself we've talked many many times over different
issues at the at the over there that has gone on for years now one of the biggest things I can't understand that was promised promised from members up here and and others at the airport that we will never see a larger jet that in and out of that facility that is not or cannot accommodate the length of that runway in other words it needs more actually it needs more runway we've got a Cessna 6503 I think they call it that had need 17 or 1600 feet stop unless it has no fuel or no
individuals on the board on board what good is that some fool comes out of the out of the sky doesn't realize that and it can happen they're going they're not going to stop that thing's going to come right off the end it's going to go right into BearCreek that's where we end up being cuz that's how close it is and now you want to take down almost 200 200 acres of of trees and bushes and stuff for what you can't extend that runway towards Bear Creek or in some of these other location you just can't do it you that that property that 100 acres of property of Bear Creek
for instance was a commercial piece of property in the wisdom of the city took this commercial way and made it residential so now we got 664 homes in there that I can go out and have I can walk to the airport in 5 minutes and get a cup of coffee that's how close it is and you got Ormond Lakes which I live that's my primary residence i might as well be next to the airport i can't even be in my pool without an airplane going over me 24/7 almost 24/7 and I know it might be a little bit exa exaggerated but that's what's going on i mean a C650 I know who it is that I'm not going
to mention but I want it out of here it doesn't belong it's dangerous it's a great It's a great vessel but it doesn't belong here i want it out and I don't I'm not the only one it's not right oh that's good i was going to mention that we have 40,000 residents in the community thank you very much i appreciate your time mark is up and on deck Jennifer Bright hello commissioners and thank you
for letting me speak tonight i uh I'm a retired lineman i worked for Florida Power and Light for 9 years and I worked for Arizona Public Service for 28 years and out of them 37 years 36 of them I was doing street lights so if there's any way I can help the city save money and help them with a whole lot of issues with street lights and if you I can give you advice on where the cables and the power goes you know the high voltage and the secondaries if there's any way I can help I just
like to help if I can that's all i'm just trying to give you my advice if I can if I can meet with somebody and see what kind of agreement we have with them about street lights because I know some people it's their number one priority but if I can help I will that's all i was just trying to offer my help if I can thank you thank you Mark Jennifer Bright and on deck we have Richard Felisco
last year insurance coverage for the city's property and casualty lines was awarded to Foundation Risk Partners through its various insurance carriers per the agenda packet the evaluation criteria for the proposals will be evaluated on qualifications of firm 30 points experience of dedicated team members 40 points references 20 points the price just 10 points 90% of this criteria could be seen as very arbitrary such as how would the city determine
the experience of a dedicated team member from a private company and only 10% of the bid is based on price it would appear that this was by design so as to renew with Foundation Risk Partners which two of our commissioners have a direct conflict of interest in the past they have excused themselves from the vote but were allowed to partake in the discussions to sway the remaining commissioners the agenda packet also states that the city has prepared the RPF for Foundation Risk Partners
who is currently serving as the city's agent of record city cities do not typically prepare the RFPs for vendors bidding instead they should be issuing a formal solicitation which outlays the project's scope requirements evaluation criteria submission guidelines and deadlines then the interested vendors can develop their proposals which are then submitted by the specific deadline this process ensures transparency fairness and competitiveness i would also like to voice my
concern for the consent item requesting a letter to the FAA for the land use change i uh hope you do not go through with this cuz uh the citizens really don't want that airport expanded thank you thank you and Richard is up and when on deck we have Connie Colby hi Richard Steven Feliscoco here um longtime resident and um I now own property just north of
Seabreeze High School uh in in the Ormond area and uh Beachside and I understand uh there's a letter to the FAA about um the um re request for a land use uh change um in the last 2 years um being on the beach side uh I couldn't help but notice uh the uh airport traffic that uh
came over my house uh to the tune of anywhere from 60 to 100 planes a day from the from the student uh schools the airplane schools and it's not just Embry Riddle anymore uh there's there's several um airport schools airplane schools that have actually um came into this area and um to me it's created quite a problem cuz the planes
start at 6:00 in the morning and they go till midnight and as many as probably uh probably 20 or 30 in a 3-hour period and uh it's it's gotten out of hand um it doesn't seem a lot of them are going to the Ormond airport so um they're going there and they're going to the airport up there in Flagler so uh it seems to me uh for you to plan more airport traffic
uh in the light of all these schools uh that have an eye eye on uh actually increasing that traffic uh seems to me uh that would not be friendly for our community it's very disturbing um I I could play you recordings that uh that would uh definitely change your mind if uh you're thinking about this uh this airport uh being expanded up here and maybe we can do something about the the
route that uh that the planes take cuz they all seem to take one path and it's directly over the peninsula thank you thank you Richard Connie Colby and on deck we have Mary Beth Cunningham Connie Colby 108 Robel Lane in Orin Beach um several years ago maybe 2017
um Mayor Partington made a statement that the airport was an asset to our community um saying that it was nice that people could fly into this community fly out and play roll a round of golf in the meantime there must be a way for the golf course and the airport to coexist and make peace in this town the River Bend Golf Course was a great asset to the city of Ormond Beach it was always busy and provided a public purpose for our residents visitors and business much business happens on the 19th hole in December 2020 the lease for
the golf course was terminated basically over a $271,000 tax bill this golf course provided much needed income for the golf course FAA does not forbid golf courses on airport property um there's still a lawsuit that's not settled at this time regarding the airport and before making any changes to the land I think they should at least know what's going on with that property um while FAA can provide assistance and funding to encourage
compatible land developments around airports it has no regulatory authority for controlling the land used to protect the airport capacity the air FAA recognizes that state and local governments are responsible for land use planning zoning and regulations um it seems like there's been a deliberate attempt to deprive the residents um losing my place here
um to maintain the course or to search for either other operator operators or consider having the city operate the course when FAA informed the city that they were revoking the 2018 approved extension um it was stated the length was unreasonable and did not fully meet the purpose and need that was needed please make an effort to find an entity interested in assuming
the 50-year le lease or redeveloping the property um when we moved here in 2004 we had a public golf course we never seemed to even have thought to ask if there was an airport or a business park park here until what the man just spoke about um there's a chapter 3 on our municipal court um code that says which I read last night at the airport advisory meeting that um airplanes are not supposed to be flying over inside the city limits at all thank you
Mary Beth and we have Patricia Fran and on deck uh good evening and thank you for the opportunity to speak um I didn't come prepared to speak but um I know how important it is that you hear our voices u my husband and I uh came down here about 3 years ago and we found Bear Creek we fell in love with Bear Creek and we're surprised to find how much we love Ormond Beach and the city of Ormond Beach um we're constantly riding bikes going out to dinner enjoying everything downtown beachside all of it
and um the only thing that draws that's been like a drawback and like a heartbreaker for us is that for 3 years we have been fighting for the peace and quiet that we enjoy we first we were fighting the original airport expansion when we first came down here 3 years ago it was a big to-do you know they were going to expand the runway right up to Bear Creek and like oh brother that's you know a lot of noise and then we're fighting the fuel terminal we've been fighting that for a year and a half um I just feel like ever since we've got here this
peaceful beautiful community that we love and enjoy I just feel like it's threatened all the time by development by expansion by the big dollar by getting bigger planes in here if that's what's they're doing it for or I read an article in the Observer today and it said "Well back in 2021 Governor DeSantis couldn't refuel his plane here." I'm like "Okay so one guy four years ago couldn't fuel his plane here." And so that's why we should expand the airport it
just I really hope all of you sitting up there hear the voices of the residents the people that live there we're playing pickle ball at 7:00 in the morning my husband and I are out walking at 7:00 in the morning and we hear the jets we hear them on the runway waiting when we're playing pickle ball you they're going straight overhead that sometimes you have to stop your conversation because you can't hear each other and to think that something bigger is going to come in or you more traffic is going to come in is just so disheartening i mean we really love Ormond Beach and we want to stay here but the threat of what's going on is just it's exhausting it really
is exhausting and so I just hope you hear us and hope you hear what everybody's saying and what everybody's feeling and that you do what's right for the residents of Ormond Beach and I thank you Patricia and Don Miller good evening my name is Patricia Fran and I live in Bear Creek and thank you for this opportunity on the consent agenda tonight is item K k is seeking approval from the commission to send
a letter from the city to the FAA the letter requests that the FAA review and offer input on new proposed land uses at the airport it specifically addresses the 170 acres that are occupied by the Riverbend Golf Course or RGC it seeks the FAA to review and comment on a study performed by GAI containing possible uses of RGC there is a disclaimer in the consulting
report that all the proposed new usages for RGC are subject to FAA guidelines for airport land uses i request that item K be pulled from the consent agenda discussed and if not denied at least tabled for the following reasons one the current commission has not thoroughly reviewed nor approved the recommendations of the consultant in totality including the expenses necessary to execute two the consultant has not presented recommendations that are compatible with current
FAA guidelines by recommending retention ponds and lakes for fishing which are prohibited by the FAA the FAA strictly prohibits creating attractants for birds which may cause plain air strikes by building lakes wetlands water retention areas or other waste dumps four the consultant study states the property designated for passive park use containing these water attractants be purchased for a median price of $30 million but it only has 20 parking spaces we need a realistic plan
five the consultant recommends that the golf course property be reszoned aviation commercial or industrial use this paves the way for reviving a runway extension many at Bear Creek do not want the reasoning suggestion is premature many of the Bear Creek and city residents want the golf course put out for a bid for a private company to rehab and operate at their expense reszoning assures
that this is never possible reopening the golf course would create only income and no expenses for the city senior adults have no recreation in the city of Ormond Beach we need your help there are far more voters who golf than fly out of the airport once again thank you for your time Don and Kim Kazer is on deck good evening i think she read the same thing I did i'm here
to request item K on tonight's agenda be pulled for discussion it needs to be tabled or denied so citizen input can be considered before closing Riverbend Golf in 2020 the city notified the FAA on December 22nd it would be permanently closed and that it would afford the city the opportunity to extend the runway 1,000 ft in two phases phase two is the 400 ft extension to the east of coming into Bear Creek and necessitated taking three of Riverbend's golf holes that's why
Riverbend had to go again on June 3rd 2021 the city emailed the FAA that the 400 ft extension east to Bear Creek would now be referred to in all future runway extensions as the ultimate plan maybe that's why you don't think there's it's heading in that direction it's got a new name this is enough to show intent by the city to extend the runway 400 ft to Bear Creek the current FAA airport guidelines publication 5190-4B declares a golf course a compatible use
of land as long as it does not include wildlife attractants such as lakes or large retention ponds riverbend Golf would be declared compatible now we know the FAA does allow golf and it even allows new golf courses the city had a no overhead $3 million asset producing revenue for the revenue starving airport but didn't seek a new operator the GI Riverbend land use concept seeking review by the city for the FAA by the FAA does not include reestablishing
golf disclaimer is that they think their concepts may not fly because they did not consider any FAA land use guidelines ji also stated that they only met with commissioners GI says the city must buy the proposed park land because it will not generate revenue for the airport as the FAA requires the GI concept being sent to the FAA by the city will have the city
buying the parkland necessary for $30 million that is on page 45 to 50 gi concept for parks area park areas number one and two have newly installed lakes and large retention ponds they are prohibited by the FAA gi says the present zoning of the golf course is recreation and conservation the city claims it's aeronautical that needs to be resolved that's on page 35 there has been no
public input on this concept it is clear that the least encumbered best and most profitable use of the old golf course land is leasing it to a private operator by RFP for golf thank you okay Kim and on deck we have Donna Wedding good evening thank you um I am here to have the removal of K from the consent agenda i've been a resident for 20 years lived in Hunter Ridge i feel like
Ormond Beach is turning into quantity and not quality it's all about bigger bigger bigger more more more when I moved here 20 years ago it was a it was a quality place to live it was quality of life you could go to the golf course Riverbend wasn't the greatest golf course in the world it was reasonably priced it was not too hard not too easy you could go out there and have a have a drink um beautiful course and we've we've ruined it it I mean I guess you know 2020 COVID and all
that but there there needs to be a way to save it it is an asset and a jewel and can be a jewel to Ormond Beach and an attraction for Ormond Beach you know they're talking about motocross for Volusia County well motocrosses you got to have a $10,000 bike you got to have $1,000 worth of gear you got to be able to ride a motorcycle anybody from a four year-old to an 80year-old can go out and golf anybody can golf you can rent clubs 50 bucks in 50 bucks you can have 5 hours of a family
outing and it's it's a great asset to Ormond Beach so I I want to see the golf course stay thank you Donna and on deck we have Lynn uh Bartlett good evening my name is Donna Winning i also live in Bear Creek Village and I feel like here we go again having our safety threatened due to the airport expansion i am from Miami i moved up here a few years ago to you know live a quiet life
and since I did work for the airlines I do not want to hear jets flying over and due to safety issues also and the release of jet fuel it does happen cuz I know and I just think that every issue that comes up the Bear Creek residents along with the Ormond Beach residents are fighting for safety okay we're not asking for much we just want you all to listen and do the right thing for the residents and why can't another airport be expanded
Daytona or and the noise is also for takeoff and landing which are the most dangerous so I'm hoping that you all will listen to us and I said as I said do the right thing thank you Lynn and on deck Lindsay Pate good evening Mayor Leslie city commissioners and other city officials and guests i am Lynn Bartlett and a resident of Bear Creek and I felt very compelled tonight to
speak concerning the airport and proposed use of adjacent land which was once the Riverbend Golf Course please do not support lengthening the runway between the railroad system and the current airport activity there is enough noise and air pollution i retired here four years ago and absolutely love Ormond Beach the whole area you have the restaurants you have uh the activities and then just in our own village we have a lot to do and it's not just my house it's my home
my new family of friends my lifelong place to be content and enjoy the rest of my life please do not support making any additions to the airport but please consider the seniors at Bear Creek the family neighborhoods that surround the airport and the Ormond Beach Sports Complex that supports so many of the competitive and recreational events but let's provide more a nine-hole golf course and a clubhouse where the Riverbend Golf Course used to exist especially since there is no golf
course in Ormond Beach i'm an avid golfer and would love to see a 9-hole golf course next door we are a very active community and a new wave of younger adults are coming in to Bear Creek a new golf course would be supported by many in the immediate area as well as surrounding areas and imagine not only a golf course but let's make it an environmentally friendly golf course one that practices water conservation habitat preservation and aims toward organic
maintenance with no synthetic pesticides fertilizers or herbicides now that would be something unique for Ormond Beach supporting the environment and developing new attractions for residents and visitors you can make it happen and we will support that please do not support expansion of the Ormond Beach Municipal Municipal Airport thank you for listening
Lindsay and Elena Craft on deck good evening Lindsay Pate i'm on Wildcat up in Ormond i want to start by thanking the commission for your continued support of First Step Shelter homelessness is a serious issue in our community and I believe that a part of that solution lies in having a strong community partner such as First Step Shelter who are willing to step up and help i appreciate your ongoing commitment to being part of that solution with them cuz in all actuality we have to offer those who are unhoused
an opportunity to be re rehabilitated or have the opportunity to turn their life around they're part of the solution and they shouldn't go anywhere i encourage you to continue to use them as a vital resource and maintain that relationship i find it apppropo that FDOT was here tonight i'm grateful for that and I'm grateful that they addressed the concerns that the Ormond Beach residents had that tonight was a great example of how going directly to the source of FDOT to share the re
real concerns that citizens have is collaboration and it's way more effective than just assumptions on why they're doing something or misinformation of oh they're never going to change it that was a real life example that collaboration works and they do listen regarding the airport and I would say maybe some misinformation i'd encourage both the commission and the public to stay focused on facts over feelings these decisions that you'll be making are important and it's important that you
maintain a clear head and have good information it's easy to go to a negative headsp space or play the game of you know negative outcomes it might be a difficult habit to break but in the end it doesn't serve the greater purpose and I look forward to hearing that conversation about what that letter to the FAA could mean from what I saw in the agenda it means that there are recreational spaces that are being proposed and opportunities to reuse that parcel that doesn't cost the taxpayer i personally do not want a taxpayer funded golf course from the minimal
research I've done the city has already tried to reach out to other golf course builders or people and find a way to bring it back and it didn't make sense and if it's going to cost $3 to $7 million I don't want it we have other things that we could spend our tax dollars on additionally as someone that bought in uh Ormond Lakes I knew I was buying ne buying next to an airport and that was kind of on me to have that awareness of what's going on in my community and I hope that there's a way
to move forward with that that makes sense and um again all in all it's encouraging to see positive examples of collaboration just as FDOT did tonight and I hope that that's the movement going forward okay our last speaker for tonight Elena Craft good evening everyone my name is Elena Craft i'm an Ormond Lakes resident um so I'm here tonight because a few serious issues are not being addressed the first one is Atlantic Drive i've called the city manager and assistant
manager over eight times in the last two weeks and have gotten zero responses this road is heavily traveled filled with deep potholes and poses a safety hazard i would like to know what efforts are being made to communicate with racetrack to ensure that they are properly maintaining the road second just this afternoon there was a bad accident on whole road in US1 multiple cars were involved and anyone who drives that stretch knows how dangerous it is especially when families
are trying to leave the sports complex during peak hours why don't we have a stoplight there yet do we need a deadly accident involving kids before we act next the airport when the city um when is the city going to address the regular flight patterns planes are flying over homes non-stop and they are not following approved flight paths yesterday's aviation board meeting was filled to capacity people are exhausted and frustrated they're begging for relief from the
constant noise poor airport management and lack of enforcement of approved flight path based on Mr. Sargeant's comments during the last meeting it seems the goal of the commissioner is to expand airport operations and residents do not want that please set up a dialogue between all stakeholders to answer our questions and concerns which brings me to the golf course a large portion of our community wants to see the Riverbend Golf Course reinstated yet somehow other uses are being
considered without any public input so because of that please remove item K from the consent agenda an aviation board member mentioned last night that the FAA would not allow a golf course there can you please provide actual evidence as to why a golf course is not allowed la lastly I'd like to up an update on Commissioner Kristin Deaton's proposed ordinance aimed at restricting how commissioners can communicate with their constituents she brought this up months ago
and since then we haven't heard anything is this ordinance still being pursued a dangerous proposal like that cannot be swept under the rug thank you for all you do and for addressing our concerns okay at this time we're going to move to the approval of the minutes the minutes for the May 6 2025 city commission meeting have been sent to the commission for review and posted to the city's website does anyone have any corrections or changes at this time second discussion seeing
none all those in favor say I i all those opposed okay minutes approved going to move on to seven uh the following items are community redevelopment items the city commission serves as the community redevelopment agency of the city and must review these items and make recommendations as the CRA therefore we'll recess the city commission meeting and call the CRA CRA meeting to order Madame
Secretary please read the title 7A resolution number 2025-72 a resolution of the city commission also acting as the community redevelopment agency of the city of Ormond Beach Florida accepting a proposal from AM Weigel Construction Inc to provide construction management services for the downtown medians landscape renovation project authorizing the execution of a work authorization there too and setting forth an effective date this is resolution number 2025-72 read by title only
does anyone here need the uh city engineer to speak at this time about the item move approval second any discussion seeing none all those in favor please say I i all those that don't approve say nay eyes have it motion carried madam secretary please read title 8 uh 7B resolution number 2025-91 a resolution of the city commission individually and acting as the community redevelopment agency for the central business district and adjacent areas authorizing
the execution of an annual service agreement for Ormond Main Street between the city/ agency and Ormond Main Street Inc for the promotion of economic physical and aesthetic redevelopment and maintenance of the Ormond Beach Main Street District and setting forth an effective date this is resolution number 2025-91 read by title only move approval second any discussion all those in favor say I i all those opposed say nay seeing none motion approved i will now close the public
hearing and reconvene the city commission meeting going to move on to eight the consent agenda items on the consent agenda are deemed routine and non-controversial the action proposed is stated for each item unless the city commissioner removes an item from the consent agenda no discussion on individual items will occur and a single motion will approve all items does any member of the commission wish to pull any items from the consent agenda Commissioner Sargent I would like to pull items J and K j and K k any other commissioners okay seeing
none can I get a motion for approval approval of excluding items J and K second okay any discussion seeing none City Clerk please call the vote Commissioner Deaton yes Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes Commissioner Sargent yes Mayor Leslie yes city clerk please
City Clerk please read 8 J disposition item titled RFP agent of record property and casualty insurance is there a motion for approval for discussion motion to approve second for discussion right okay discussion yeah you can go first Commissioner Sargent thank you Mr. Mayor um I currently work for the company that supplies the the insurance for the
property and cas join and as I have done in the past I will be abstaining from voting um on this item thank you and I will be giving the City Clerk my form 8B accordingly thank you Commissioner Deputy Mayor yep i too have a son that works for Foundation Risk Partners so I will be recusing myself from voting and I will be supplying the City Clerk with form 8B as well thank you thank you any other discussion before I call a vote city clerk please call
a vote Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland abstain Commissioner Sargent abstain Commissioner Deaton yes Mayor Leslie yes Mayor Leslie I think just for just for the record I was going to speak um this just gives the go ahead to go out for the RFPs yes correct all right and City Clerk can you please read 8K disposition item titled letter to the Federal Aviation Administration regarding airport land use proposals
at this time do we want to have a motion just for discussion right now since second oh sorry it wasn't on okay discussion uh uh Commissioner Briley yes Mr. Mayor um I just want to go back if I can if the commission and the audience will allow me to kind of give a history on this because believe it or not I was here when this came about back in 1991 i know I'm probably not as old as I look yeah you are maybe I am but uh this airport was started as a a government
training field in in the 1940s during World War II and in 1947 the city the city of Ormond Beach entered an agreement with the federal government to provide an airport for recreational aviation and that was fine and well up until about 1990 1991 um the Eddie brothers the Eddie family came in and had the desire to develop the Riverbend Golf Course and I was at
those meetings whenever they were talking about construction of the Riverbend Golf Course and there were people was anyone here in 91 just show your hands the few folks there were people in Bear Creek at the time who were not in favor of the golf course and the people you heard more from though than just the people around the golf course were the
environmental folks because of the destruction of the trees that would be required to develop a golf course the amount of pesticides herbicides and fertilizers that you need to keep golf courses nice when you're using that adjacent to an outstanding Florida waterway as designated by the Florida legislature the Tomoka River it makes it pretty dicey and it's not good for the environment one thing we did get out of that is a token of appreciation if you will
was the Riverbend Park which is contiguous to the golf course my concern is and my fear is and and and I used to play that golf course i liked it very long course it was a fun course to play and it's unfortunate that the the the the things that transpired when they did that the golf course became abandoned the lessee was no longer paying
the lease to the city was no longer paying property taxes to the county i don't think and I like the idea of a private entity coming in and taking the golf course and putting it back to what it once was i don't think the reality is we'll find anybody that's willing to spend that kind of money and not own the property because they'll still have to pay the city a lease no one's going to spend $8 to $10 million to renovate an old golf course and not have ownership of it just
not going to happen so the only other option at that point would be for the city to increase taxes to make repairs to the course or do a referendum for a bond then you put it in the voters hands if they want to tax themselves to renovate a golf course and that's possible on the other side
you have to maintain that golf course the bond's not going to cover that that's yearly maintenance fertilizers pesticides herbicides whatever it takes water to keep a golf course going i don't know if there's enough there to do that and my other fear is I don't want the city to get into a situation again where we have a lessee who gets in some sort of financial trouble and can't
pay the city for the lease they the rent they owe to the city for the golf course and they refuse to pay the county what they owe them and the county comes after the city in a lawsuit to collect the money why should the taxpayers pay for something that a lessee didn't do when they were written property from the city just shouldn't happen so one thing I would like to see I would like to see an official letter though and and it's been brought about tonight i would like to see
an official letter from the FAA because it has been mentioned that the FAA would not permit a golf course there today if one was applied for i would like to see something writing from the FAA that officially says that a golf course wouldn't be allowed that way we don't have this he said she said or if can you or can't you i would like something from the FAA saying either you can have a golf course there or you can't and Mr. Mayor I may have some more later but that's all I have for now thank you thank you Commissioner Briley Commissioner Sargent thank you Mr. Mayor
and thank you to the residents for coming out and voicing your opinion i appreciate it and um I take it to heart this plan um if you will that was in the paper recently was also in the Ormond Observer on May 16th 2024 that showed the future uses of this property so this wasn't just sprung upon if you will it was it was thoroughly done i do have a question for whoever can answer it to clarify if a citation 650 is I believe class C to land at our airport
Steven if I understood you correctly Steven Lichliter Airport Manager if I understood you correctly sir you're asking if the Cessna C650 is appropriate for our airport if that is the current class my biggest concern with even talking about runway extension is that we do not talk about um exploring the option to move to a higher class of aircraft what I'm discussing is the the current
uses of the airport is the citation 650 within the current uses yes it is thank you so what I like to deal with is facts and when I hear that we have stuff that's not authorized I I don't like hearing that um so I I'm glad that the public knows that we do have that that plane is authorized to land and operate out of our airport yes sir it is thank you yes sir um I still have a few more Mr. Mayor Steven um I brought up probably two years ago now to send this out for an RFP to see if anyone would
want to explore operating a golf course and I think Commissioner Briley said 6 to 10 million um and it is a hard sell roughly because you're you know when excuse me LPGA was up for sale you were buying an asset you you owned the property with this golf course we are asking someone to invest or the taxpayers invest in the property and someone take it over and they don't own it
and the city of Ormond Beach does not set what that lease would be the FAA sets that and that price currently is roughly upwards of $100,000 a year so what I would like to propose tonight if anyone else on the commission would like to go along with it I would like to send this letter to the FAA but I would like to add a few things i would like to add a specific question asking if an 18 hole golf course is an approved item use of property per the FAA because I too
Commissioner Briley want it in black and white and I think what we need to do to make sure we get the proper answer from the FAA is to be as detailed as possible in our request we need to spell out the acreage spell out you know like I said the 18 holes um as much information maybe diagrams everything cuz I want a concrete black and white answer i don't want well it may be
okay under this or it may be okay under that i want a a black and white answer u from the FAA and in the meantime while we wait on the FAA to respond to this letter I would like people to reach out staff whoever it may be to golf operators of courses to see if anyone is interested that if the FAA comes back and says it is approved and someone wants to take it over and
they're okay with it and they think financially they can do it great i am not willing to have the taxpayer subsidize it and have to spend 8 to 10 million or whatever it may be maybe those numbers are high maybe they're low i don't know i'm not in that business whatever it may be it's a lot of money but I'm willing to explore it so I don't know if any other commissioner is okay with adding that to the letter but that's what I would like to propose tonight thank you thank you Commissioner Sargent um I I can say that I I I like some of the ideas here um it's very well
um thought of and I think that maybe we should ask some questions real quick about some of those recommendations to see if they're even possible um and and maybe I could borrow Steven for another minute here to uh and it might not be a question you might know but we'll try with you first so my question to you Steven is that are some of the recommendations that Commissioner Sargent made just now um something that the FAA can in fact um answer those questions are they need a site plan
or is there some other things they're going to be asking for or will it be as as easy as just making that request it is very likely the FAA would ask for more information um it's really a situation where we won't know until we ask if we make the request and they require more information then we'll respond accordingly but I'm not sure that they'll be able to give us a definitive answer with just this letter Mr. Mayor uh can I pick you back on that just a second uh just going
one real quick um how long does it take to get a response back from them when we do make requests the FAA currently is experiencing a lot of the challenges that other fed federal agencies are experiencing um I can tell you from a more uh typical standpoint meaning uh project discussions grant applications i have colleagues at other airports who have grant applications pending from October that they haven't heard any anything on so the ADO the Orlando airports district office is they've lost several staff members so their responsiveness at this point is probably going
to be on the wrong side okay uh Commissioner Briley yeah i'm sorry Mr. Mayor um and and and Steven I was just going to take you back on on on kind of what on what Commissioner Sargent said and what and and the Mayor said if we do ask this question of the FAA and and instead of getting real detailed they should have and if they don't we have the current layout of what the golf course was and that's what I would propose to them because I don't think anyone's going to come in and want to reconfigure that golf course because that's just going to cost a lot more
money the existing or the former golf course lease holder area is reflected on the airport layout plan so yes the air the the FAA does have that layout i would just go with that instead of trying to give I mean I think that may be somewhat detailed enough just to give them the idea of what the parameters of the golf course are or were and either a yes or no on that question Commissioner Sargent that's why I don't want just a letter i want as much information that we have from the start of this when the the Eddie Corporation started this golf course
to what we have now i don't care if it's a big packet give them everything so we're not waiting i don't want just a um a question sent them we need to provide as much information as possible um I'll just jump on that for a second and say that I think the only issue that we'll have is that they might require a site plan from a potential bidder of somebody who wants to operate the course and but they might but a potential operator might not want to do it
exactly the way the site plan is we can cross that bridge when we come to it okay well um I'm sorry Deputy Mayor you had a question i did have a question so I just want to be clear so we are going to add to the letter we're we're still going to submit the letter of the plan that we have for we're going to still ask for other uses for the golf course the old golf course and add the
golf course piece to it correct so there'll be answers can we do this and or can we do this i think the problem are we doing it separately i think the problem with that though is the FAA is going to ask us you know what are we doing we doing one or two to some extent it's the same thing because the purpose of this letter is to request FA's comments on potential non-aeronautical use of airport property which a golf course also is so there there there's a little bit of redundancy so could we list all the things that could potentially be in and
then include a golf course in there we could simply add in addition to these because the GI proposals were exactly that they were just suggested possible uses they didn't necessarily define what it was going to look like and we could simply add a golf course as another possibility for this non-aeronautical use and well is this slowing down the process i mean right now we have some unsafe obstacles you know at the airport is this process going to slow down um that mitigation we're going to continue with that construction mitigation at the airport is
our highest priority it would not interfere with that okay thank you Commissioner Sargent so I think it's three-fold i think we're over complicating something here we're sending the letter as is in the agenda packet currently we're adding the question is if we can if the golf course is an authorized use of the uh FAA property and in the meantime we're going
to explore to see if anyone wants to take over the golf course at the current condition site plan that we provide them is as needed or as uh currently sits I should say so if an operator if we find someone that wants to take it over it's under the understanding that this is the layout that you have to deal with you can rehab it but this is the layout i I don't think we need to over complicate it and get into the whatifs of the FAA it's already going to take forever to get something back probably i would like to streamline it provide as much information up
front be as detailed as possible and explore the options for someone else to take it over thank you Mr. Mayor um I just would like just I want clarity and definitive answers if we can Steven this I'm not putting this on you or the FAA but a clear answer from the FAA i want yes you can or no you cannot because what I hate is when I hear well you should not it doesn't say you can't so I think they should give us either the red light or the green light no no gray area
i mean that's on you that's just I think what I'm looking for from them understood the closest clear answer we've gotten from the FAA regarded the response from their environmental personnel regarding potential conflicts with section 4F of the US Department of Transportation Act of 1966 and section 4F is designed to protect recreational areas and park areas from transportation projects FAA's environmental person at that time who's no longer with them indicated to us that any use of airport property for recreational purposes could if it could potentially interfere with
the airport might be a reason for them to disallow it so that's one possible answer we could get from but that was a rule they had in ' 66 and they approved this in ' 91 so and I do know that in talking to some folks that were involved with it back in '91 that you know they they weren't at the time the FAA was actually encouraging recreational facilities around airports now their their view on that may have changed but that's what it was back in ' 91 environmental concerns are much more prevalent today than they were back then um Randy did
you want to say something yes sir i just want to share some thoughts and observations so the letter that you have presently before you this evening has attached to present to the FAA the concept plan that the commission approved in 2024 so what you're talking about now is not wholly consistent with that plan so it's almost like an option A and option B right um now it's possible and I'm
going to defer to the city manager on this that the staff can take direction this evening kind of fudge that letter up a little bit and then send it over um and that with with that in mind um the other option is is staff you know you just table it then staff kind of works it out in detail a little bit and brings it brings it back to you i like that idea table on this cuz it sounds like it's getting a little choppy well my my concern is is that if you don't give the FAA enough detail they may not give you a solid answer um and that's just based on my own
interactions with them many years ago um they like detail and they like information uh and it may be a question so a simple question um they may have some trouble answering definitively and they may need more detail and so you know you have one concept plan that the commission voted on that's your concept for the development of that airport property or the golf course property which is airport property in 2024 if you want to ask about another opportunity that's not consistent
with that that needs to be clearly stated and uh perhaps described with um an attachment of the existing old golf course so you're saying the president never like speaker um I'm going to reserve comment on my experiences with them but they're going to want more detail okay i mean so what you're saying is that you're suggesting that attach the existing property
plans maybe with that conceptual plan uh to the FAA so that they can review both of them uh look I I don't want to get in mind of the commission because I don't know what you're thinking individually in terms of what might be an acceptable alternative golf course use for the land whether it's the existing layout whether it's something completely different and I thought at one time we did go out for an RFP didn't we or did we just talk about it did Okay okay um but
um I guess it's more of a rhetorical statement that has a question attached that I want you to think about before you give direction oh yeah yeah yeah um so what I think I hear the city attorney saying is that he would like staff to take another stab at the letter that would incorporate this option that we're talking about for the golf course and then bring it back to you for consideration i like that yeah i like that because you know what let's get it right the first time
and we need a little more time I think so I like that does how does the commission feel about that table it and then have staff come back and they can just clean it up i don't think we're tabling it we're moving forward with it just having them revise the letter and but I still think that we need to explore the options see if there's an operator that wants to take it over maybe there is i don't know i'm willing to explore that option and if that's what someone wants to do I'm willing to say yes okay but I I have one more just to um just clean up something yep uh go ahead sorry
my comment in the observer I think was misconstrued i didn't say that the governor's plane um the point that I made in that workshop meeting was they could not unlock the fuel farm my point was that we need a better FBO out there that is better functioning so that he could fuel up his plane that was where my comment was on that Deputy Mayor I think I just forgot what I was I think I just forgot what I was going to say what was the comment you made right before oh
never mind i can't think if you remember to come back i'm confused Commissioner Deaton I'm so sorry i'm I'm feeling a bit nauseous and lightheaded i'm I I really do apologize but I want to be here um I would like to see something in writing from the FAA indicating that a golf course whether it's 9 or 18 holes can or cannot be a use um I'm not I'm not opposed to it by any means i don't want it to be a burden on the taxpayers but I'm I'm not opposed to it okay all right so at that time then we have a a motion though for approval and the way it was Oh sorry i'm sorry i really
do i do remember what I was going to say so when Commissioner Sargent was discussing it I think we should my personal feeling is we should send the letter out first get a response from the FAA if they say yes a golf course is an acceptable use for them then we can send it out for um uh RFP yes an RFP okay why would we send it out if we don't even know we can do it
i'm not saying we send it out i'm saying we explore the options to see if there's an operator out there that may be interesting interested in taking it over if it gets approved by the FAA how do you explore options if you don't even know you have that option to to provide call people that operate golf courses and explain our situation and see if if they're willing to you know if someone wants to invest in that and just explore options we don't need to delay it till we get a response
6 8 months down the road from the FAA we can go ahead you can make phone calls people can kind of figure that out i would be okay with that i I I think it's a little out of sync but I'm okay Joyce can you jump in yeah so um we would have to bring the RFP back to you not saying I I know but I I can't get a definitive answer from someone without a specific set of parameters what are we looking for 9-hole 18 hole you know uh we have to lay out the current condition of all that they're going
to want to come and look at the golf course so we have to be very specific about that i mean what I would suggest that you do and just talking with Randy is to send the current letter that you have with a caveat that you're looking at a possible golf course and you will have more information but I I don't have enough information to call people and say "Do you want to bid on this?" And I'm happy to do that if that if that makes you happy but I don't think I'm going to get many responses well the FAA could come back and say "Well we'll approve a 9-hole course or an 18hole
course." So we don't know how to Yeah maybe move forward with the RFP letting them know what would be approved or not so well I think we should start with the letter first though right because we need to know for sure if the FAA will approve the golf that's my That' be my first question yes it's even it's even employee yes so I think that providing a letter and added a language of a possible golf course would be a good direction to go and if we can do that then um who made the motion was it you that made the first motion Deputy Mayor It wasn't me oh oh Sargent did okay uh Commissioner Sargent
would you want to change your motion then you're from I will amend my motion to send the current letter adding the language possible golf course to ask the FAA if an 18 or 9hole golf course is an approved use for this property and second i'll second that okay any other further discussion okay
uh City Clerk please call the vote Commissioner Sargent yes Commissioner Deaton yes Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes Mayor Leslie yes um any other comments about items on the consent agenda okay um go ahead Deputy Mayor okay thank Thank you mayor um my first comment is on 8C and that's reappointing a member to serve on the Volusia Growth Management Commission um we have nominated Bill Navara he I just want to just make a few comments that he is a community
servant we've all seen him and his generosity um helping Main Street helping events in the city um I appreciate his willingness to serve um I can't think of anybody more appropriate he loves his community community he collaborates well he's a smart businessman and he will represent Ormond wonderfully um I also want to make a comment on um 8D i don't know if WastePro is still in the house but um WastePro has been a very good partner of the city um they're very reliable they're very
dependable and I know I sincerely appreciate the service that they provide to me and my in my home um so I just wanted to point that out and that is it thank you thank you Deputy Mayor is there anyone else that like to comment anything on the consent um I'll just say that I'd like to thank the residents that came out i hope that this will give you a little bit of a better feeling
of what was will happen with the future use of Riverbend and I'd like to uh thank my colleagues here for working together on uh trying to hear the residents and and seeing what we can do to try to help the uh the cause so with that said we're going to move on on the agenda here uh we're going to move to nine uh I will now open the public hearings uh City Clerk please read a title 9A ordinance number 2025-19 an ordinance approving the final plat for the
Enclave subdivision establishing conditions and expiration date of approval and setting forth an effective date this is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-19 read by title only does anyone need the uh Planning Director to speak on this item move approval oh uh hold on i will second it but I do have a question for Mr. Spraker if he wouldn't mind okay no problem thank you is this is just a confirmation so these these houses are in very large acreage and when you look
at the plat towards the back of the property they all in a conservation area houses won't be built on the conservation area right they'll all be more front of the properties towards Tymber Creek I guess it was yes ma'am okay i just wanted to confirm that thank you so much do we need the applicant to speak on the item no okay we had a motion here right second okay any other discussion seeing none City Clerk please call the vote Commissioner Deaton yes
Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes Commissioner Sargent yes Mayor Leslie yes City Clerk please read 9B ordinance number 2025-20 an ordinance approving the final plat for the Fountain View phase 1C subdivision shown within phase 1 of the Plantation Oaks planned residential development establishing conditions and expiration date of approval and setting forth an effective date this is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-20 read by title only does anyone need the
plan director to speak on this one seeing none of the applicant no okay we have second second any other discussion seeing none City Clerk please call the vote Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes Commissioner Sargent yes Commissioner Deaton no Mayor Leslie yes i will now close the public hearings we're going to move on to 10 uh on staff and commission reports suggestions and
requests starting with the City Manager uh thank you all uh just a couple of things um Tuesday June 3rd believe it or not we're already going to start our capital planning for our budget workshop so I know it's it's I can't believe it's almost June so um that's your meeting on June 3rd you'll have a workshop for your capital budget on Tuesday July 22nd you will have your operating budget workshop we always do the capital first because those are big dollars and we got to squeeze those
in and then we look at the operating workshop and we're waiting um to hear back from um Doug Thomas on the strategic plan finalization so we'll be bringing that to you when that's uh finished um this is the last session of the citizens academy it will be this Thursday and graduation will be on June 3rd at the next city commission meeting and I want to give a special shout out to Susan Dauderis and her staff who have done an excellent job with that program it's very well attended it's
very well organized and everybody enjoys it so great job uh thank you to Taylor Lochert for filling in for Susan this evening and Ashley Clements as our recording secretary that's another wonderful thing that Susan Dauderis has done so well is cross-trained her staff so they're all able to fill in and you all do an excellent job so thank you um the Ormond Beach Memorial Day remembrance service will take place on Monday May 26th at 9:00 a.m at Rockefeller Gardens uh that's really a wonderful event um and so I encourage you all to attend uh
we don't really put on that event i don't think we uh have a third party that works with us to do that um and the commission will have their regular spaces that they're available to park at and then um I'll ask Shawn Finley to come forward to talk a little bit about the Cassen Park building and um uh signage for that building and then one last thing as Shawn is coming up i want to thank FDOT for being so responsive to the city's request for the multi-use trail i would uh like to have
a special shout out to the residents in particular Mr. Jeff Boyle who has been a champion for that project and uh to Shawn Finley's keen eye when looking at the uh drawings uh noticed that the uh color or the grade on the um the drawings indicated concrete not asphalt and that's when we went back to them and talked to them and said hey you said it was going to be concrete and I guess they were having a little bit of a budget issue at the time and were looking for other funds but
um in addition um he noticed the grade of that sidewalk didn't look right to him and he pointed it out to FDOT and they agreed and they will have that fixed so um it's really spectacular when a big government agency like the Florida Department of Transportation can recognize um some errors um in what happens and really make corrections and I think that's due in large part to the wonderful working relationship the city has cultivated with the Florida Department of Transportation District
5 uh way back to when uh uh District 5 secretary was Jared Purdue and now he's the big secretary as we call him of the whole state so they've been very responsive to the city and I appreciate our residents for speaking out and um making it known and I think we'll have a project that we can all be proud of so thank you very much and I am available to answer any questions you might have thank you Joyce um Assistant City Manager oh oh sorry it's okay i'm often overload i'm going
faster than I need to um thank you for for taking a minute here sorry pull a little bit closer sorry about that not as tall um couple I think in our last meeting we were asked to take a look at the signage on Cassen Park build on on the Cassen Park building and as you will notice we are rapidly getting to a point where that new building is going to be the only building over there and so we we're we're very excited that we're going to have a new home for for for the bait shop and bathrooms um so we took a look um per your request just a little bit of the history of Cassin Park um
the fishing pier is constructed in 1984 the bait shop was a added in 1994 and the floating dock and breakwater added in 2019 the park was known as Riverfront Park until 1998 where the name was changed to honor Mayor Ernest Cassen um who passed away in December 1997 so that that's the history of why it's called Cassen Park and and I think that that's one of the things we want to really highlight here as we talk about what we're what we're putting on buildings and what we're putting on signs there is that this is Cassen Park and and and I think that the importance of of that
um there's going to be entry signage there's going to be signage up front that's going to show Cassen Park um it's going to have the logo city's logo it's going to have Cassen Park's name on both sides it'll be white stucco with bronze letters um we're going to have the Ormond Beach Veterans Plaza and it's under construction right now so you can see a little bit of of the the current status of that um so have a be kind of a low knee wall with that coquina accenting it along the bottom so I think it's a it's a nice touch um kind of makes a half moon shape um with with the flags in the
background of it so I think it's it really is a is a good good touch to the park this is what we had approved through SPRC and these are the elevations and and as you look out the window on a you know earlier in the day you can see that it really does kind of match what what we're seeing there the what was approved was this Ormond Bait Shop um and and I think that one of the things that we really kind of were trying to emphasize was you know that this is where the bait shop is not not really trying to assign it to anything not not to take away from the fact that it's Cassen Park um we all appreciate you know Ike and and what he does but we we kind of looking towards making
it we the intention was to keep it simplistic here um there is opportunity for for for for identification for Ike and similar to what he has right now on his door there there's the glass door um it it's approximately 30 in wide of glass you can go 3 to 4 ft high that gives him about 12 10 to 12 ft of square footage on his door that we can put Ike Ike's Granada um Pier Bait and Tackle um vinyl lettering right there on the on the glass door um that's what we're kind of that's what what staff is recommending um this is the square footage of
the sign um one of the things that we want to kind of also put up is is just to be consistent we've got three le three lease three facilities actually four leased facilities um Cassen Park we've got a vendor at Andy Romano Beachfront Park there's no there's no signage identification to that specific vendor um I think there's on the window that they have there um Nova's at the Nova Rec Skate Park there is a vendor that rents the skate park building he's got signage inside the building um I didn't add on here the um Performing Arts Center where we've got a concessionaire
um that that runs the the concession in there they again have a have a signage signage right there at the window for the concession um we've got concession stands and it should be two at Nova Rec nine of them at Ormond Beach Sports Complex those are run by the different organizations that that are the the youth sports organization the only one that does have anything that identifies beyond uh um who they are and what organization are is is the the Seabreeze mural um so we're we're looking for a little bit of consistency here um and and so that's that's one of the things that
we're we're proposing is to go with the SPRC approved signage Commissioner Briley yeah i just have a question um Shawn could you bring up the the the rendering of the building so the the bait shop and and Ike you're remind me your hours you stay open in the evenings open till like 9:00 uh during the weekend till 8 okay 7 to 7 okay can you ask me question you know so well my point was
this my my point was this um there are evenings that that that Ike is open after after dark or times that Ike is open after dark and um and we know that you know Ike may not have the bait shop forever at some point he's going to retire or decide not to do it anymore or what have you my thought would be instead of doing where it's just pretty generic or bait shop and not doing
channelized letters because channelized letters are expensive but if we put some sort of sign on the building that's backlit with the plastic panel mhm you know I bait shop at Cassen Park or something like that that way when Ike retires or whatever and you get a new vendor in there you take the insert out you put a new insert in for whoever it may be but part of the reason I I I bring this up is you know Ike's a little bit different scenario i mean he is one of our
Goodwill Ambassadors for the city he uh probably promotes our city more at Cassen Park than anyone because he's there all the time and that would just be my you know I don't have a problem putting Ike's bait shop at Cassen Park or something like that in a in a backlit sign similar size doesn't have to be huge but something of that nature again not channelized lettering where you know once Ike's no longer there you have to go in there and take the channelized letters off the building and replace it but this would be something that could be you know utilized by the next tenant that's all
Commissioner Sargent got to tell you I don't like it Ike Leary is one of our ambassadors he fills up the soap dishes in the bathrooms he fills up the toilet paper when it's needed paper towels two meetings ago I believe it was I asked on the dias if this commission was okay with adding Ike's name to that and I had a consensus now we're back to this i'm not okay with it Commissioner Deaton
who is the vendor at the Nova Rec Fields uh the I believe is it the Spikes i'm sorry is it the Spikes i think it's it's it's the use organization so I guess it's with Spikes they have a sign okay i sorry yeah they have a sign that says Home of the Spikes right on top of the concession stand i'd like to see Ike's name okay Deputy Mayor so I kind of like Harold's idea i like having I want to say consistency throughout the city um I don't care about the lettering or or whatever i
think I'll let the architect figure that out i I would not be opposed and I think Ike is is a very good ambassador i would not be opposed to have his name on the building at some place whether it's like what um Commissioner Briley said or whether it's on the window or somewhere where it's prominent um but I do like the consistency of all the buildings i would like to honor his name somewhere on that but that nothing that would be um permanent or defacing the building
Commissioner Sargent So here we are i mean we could add Ike's name to the top if he retires or moves on whatever we can take it off what I'm I'm having a hard time with is we had a consensus on this dias why are we coming back to this now it it to me we came forward we said what we wanted we all agreed on it there was more than three people and now we're we're going back to it it's not
i'm sorry i'm not okay with it Deputy Mayor I don't think we had We had consensus that Ike's name needed to be on there somewhere but I don't think we had a discussion as to where in the permanency or not i don't remember well I'm going to I'm going to echo the Deputy Mayor here on this one that I think that you know it's a nice idea but as long as it's consistent with the rest of the properties in the city then I have no issues either just tell us what you want so why do we have conversation up here and direct staff to do something and
then come back and change i I don't think that the minutes reflect that there was a consensus i'll go back there consensus may I just make a recommendation or I don't know if there needs to be a motion that we do some sort of where it says Ormond Bait Shop similar size backlit sign with an insert that way it's not a channelized layer so it's not you know it's not hard to replace in the future that has an insert that says something to the effect Ike Leary's Bait Shop at Cassen Park let let me just add excuse me as well that I believe the SPRC met
um before the commission's discussion and SPRC meets as part of a like a development review process so there's a process for that so I don't think it was necessarily um ignoring the um the um desire of the commission as much as the fact that the SPRC probably met well before this commission had discussed it and staff I don't believe had a clear consensus within themselves in terms of what the lettering should be so what they presented to you is what SPRC has had had essentially voted on
uh or approved prior to your last commission is that correct that is That is correct okay but with that I think the staff has clear direction now we There is a motion right is there a motion that was We didn't need one did we that was really with that direct with I'll make that a motion what's the motion the motion would be that we do a sign similar to what's shown as far as size what the city will allow for size a backlit sign with a plastic insert that way it's not channelized we
don't have to replace in the future with another channel I sign basically saying Ike Leary's Bait Shop at Cassen Park okay that's your motion do we have a second i will have a second for discussion so would that replace the Ormond Bait Shop that would replace that sign because I'm afraid if you put something on the door then you just you get too much you don't want something on the building I think and something on the glass door i just think you put something right there
it's back lit so at night people see it so you're your your attempt is so it's not a permanent It can be it can be replaced it can be removed correct do do you think it's smart for us to say exactly what it is or should we let like an engineer or an artist or whoever designer come up with that in whatever other product there may be what what we can do is what we'll we based on that direction and I think that's a little bit more precise direction of specific to the the
backlit letters with with something some a little bit more than than the channelized letters and and and I think that potentially we may have been confused that we will that if there was to be some some specific that it was to be all channelized we can bring back obviously we'll bring we'll bring back the the the the shop drawings the proofs to sh to share with with Sure i I wouldn't channelize anything yeah channel light layer is a little more permanent and if you just do a plastic insert say Ike decides next year he's going to retire and and and Joe comes in there it can be Joe's Bait Shop
well that's fine i think the most important thing is specific what do you want say that's what we need and then we'll give you some options about how it can and we need consensus on it okay i I mean I don't have unless Ike objects Ike Leary's Bait Shop at Cassen Park if if if I may ask sure if if if you will permit us we will work with Mr. Leary and and and bring something back to
you that meets that that that works closer towards that goal uh the applicant wanted to speak real quick um so I'm going to give him a second here just to I'm sorry the up the the bait shop owner uh back years ago Mayor Partington dedicated that pier to me it's it it's called Ike Granada Pier
okay well I got a bait and tackle shop there too which I've been here since 1999 and and that's when Ormond was in a bind they came to me and asked me to take it over and I did that was 26 years ago okay i've got a son that when I retire it's going to jump right in there okay as far as I'm concerned it will always be Ikes Granada Pier Bait and Tackle and that's how I
like to leave it okay thank you Ike um we have Okay Shawn we apologize for any misunderstanding we will bring back to you um some some proofs for you to take a look at and make sure that we're on the same page can you uh Commissioner can you just make an amendment to that motion then so this way we got that on record what you exactly want sure i would just uh defer to what Mr. Leary would like i think it was I um put the next slide up Shawn
Ike's Granada Pier Bait and Tackle okay is that right okay and then the second was already done by Deputy Mayor Tolland just make sure she reflects yes yes i'll second it okay any other further discussion should we uh call a vote or we just going to do a yes no here all those in favor say I i all those opposed the eyes have it okay so from there we're going to move on to closing comments from the Assistant City Manager
no comments thank you okay City Attorney no sir thank you good night good night this evening we'll be begin with uh Commissioner Deputy Mayor Tolland thank you very much appreciate it um it's been a busy couple weeks for me and I just I will just briefly list the things I've done and then I had I do have a couple comments um ribbon cutting at Tomoka State Park for Tillandsia Garden Club uh they donated a a bench um at their native plant garden up there um there was also
ribbon cutting at Backwater Provisions on East Granada um great folks i would encourage anybody to stop by and look at their outdoor apparel and supplies um I was I I was was curious to see how the leadership class in the Ormond Beach Chamber um went so I attended the graduation of the uh their 21st class uh the resounding theme um was everlasting friendships collaboration and partnership the Environmental Discovery Center hosted a native plants specialist Katie Trip and
she taught about native landscapes for beachside residential properties highlighted salt tolerant discussions um they she also highlighted Vadner Park which I was very pleased with uh I attended the Volusia County elected officials round table where city officials received legislative updates uh they talked about the dangerous dog regulations uh hurricane preview sea turtle nesting and um the flooding task force updates and this is just a a quick um comment to um Randy Hayes so
the county talked about their updates for the dangerous dog uh ordinances they have it's it's all related to liability and insurance so I'm just wondering if you wouldn't mind just reaching out to see if there's anything that we can do to even make our um ordinances tighter or we may be doing better i I don't know but if you would come back and report I would appreciate that all right um the Volusia League of Cities executive board meeting there was a discussion on the importance
of advocacy during the legislative session we do still have a lot of outstanding bills that we're following um and just FYI the annual banquet is this Thursday in New Symrna Beach um I did attend um a BPAC BPAC bicycle pedestrian advisory council um and uh I came back to staff and kind of shared some of the input that that I learned there and I just want all the residents to know that our staff works hard um and and um we have a lot of projects already on the TPO the transportation
what what does that all stand for transportation organization thank you um a lot of mnemonics here um on their radar and that's really because our staff has worked hard to get those projects noticed um uh let's see there was also a ribbon cutting at the Ormond Museum of Arts and Gardens and they have a wayfinders project where they do signage throughout the gardens and they are including the visually impaired um with these sign with this signage Stephanie Mason Teague is just
an amazing asset to the community and she's always bringing people in um into the into the fold there was a Pace Breakfast and that's um u an alternative school for girls and uh we heard some heartwarming stories they were raising some funds and they have a design and a place to relocate so I'm sorry if I bored you with that um so Randy I asked you about the dangerous dogs um just FYI
there is an app we're getting close to hurricane season there is an app that you can download Volusia County Emergency Management i did download that you can It will share you weather maps alerts shelters so getting ready for that season um that might be a useful tool um commissioners the PAC is has a fundraising opportunity with the brick program um I told some of the folks there that I would remind you how impactful it would be if you guys would consider donating a brick to that
program would kind of show our support of them um I know uh the next thing I want to talk about is the lifeguard lifeguard shortage in Ormond Beach i know we've received a letter from um Mr. Boyle i've also been in communication with Troy Kent who's also been in communication with the county and um we are underserved on our beaches in Ormond Beach and that is a safety factor so if if it is the pleasure of this commission I would love it if you all would want to um ask
staff to write a letter to the county um asking them to um man the lifeguard chairs up in Ormond Beach for this upcoming summer is that something you all would be interested in i'm good with that everyone good with that we're all shaking our heads so that's a yes all right um thank you very much and I am working in collaboration with Troy Troy Kent who is doing the same thing at the um county level um regarding the Circle K proposed um the proposed Circle K I just want to make a
comment and I wasn't going to make a comment about it but since Miss Bobak was here tonight I do think it's important that the planning department do look at um the zoning for future um when residents are up against uh gas stations and um you know I I know we're always revising and relooking and this this seems to be a very um pertinent topic so thank you so much and let's
see one more request of my commission so there is a bill Senate Bill 180 i'm sure you guys are aware of it and it is a bad bill it's on the desk of Governor Desantis it's infringing on our home rule it's under the pretenses of emergencies um there's a few sections in it that directly affect our local government and our free choice to change our comp plans in the case of emergencies um this
bill stops counties and cities from um making restrictive changes and it would also remove some storm water regulations that were that may have been previously passed retroactive to August 2024 to my knowledge or from what I understand New Smyrna Beach and Edgewater have already sent a letter to our governor and I'm wondering if you guys are willing would you be willing to um have staff send a letter in opposition of Senate Bill 108 i'm with you on that one okay I'm
with you however I'm good with it but just know that these bills passed the House and the Senate with only one nay so I just don't know if the governor is going to I'm willing to do it as a try but I just have a feeling that this bill is going through correct i I know it's a very very slim possibility but I think it it it's we stand for you know he'll know what we stand for absolutely all right well I will end that since I've talked a lot i just want to remind everyone this is still
mental health awareness month i had a big thing to say but you know if anybody is struggling please reach out to someone else and know that you are worth worth while and someone loves you good night thank you Deputy Mayor uh Commissioner Sargent thank you Mr mayor um I'm going to be kind of long tonight but I would like to say congratulations to the Ormond Beach Leadership Class 21 i also was able to attend their graduation um as my company was a sponsor of that so I went with
my company not as a commissioner um I would like to ask of my commission as we are policy makers up here um at the last commission meeting I think there was some confusion or I just want to clear some things up and I kind of want to propose something two of the commissioners on the dias were afforded the opportunity to make comments to um during audience remarks when I asked I
was denied that privilege to ask someone comments and had to wait until closing comments that's okay i would like to ask my commission if they would be okay with amending resolution 2022-153 item a second here 5A I think is where we could um alter this and and the City Attorney Randy Hayes can assist me with this but I
would like to change and and add something that with a majority consensus from the commission we can address the public um during audience remarks um I think that's the correct place to change that is it um City Attorney uh let me look very quickly um it's on page eight of our that resolution okay let's see here 8A is under audience remarks let's see let
me take a quick look here um there may be one other place and I don't I can't put my finger on it just yet but yeah if there's a desire to amend the rules I can um I can do that and bring it bring it back in form of an amendment to the resolution uh to cl to clarify that if that's your your desire is there anyone else on the dias that would be willing to have this amended i would like to look at that there are many times there's a lot residents up here that deserve a comment or I would like to question so if City Attorney could bring it back I would love that
excuse us one second here she said just going to pull a quick recess yes yeah a quick recess i'm sorry okay any other further discussion here no no okay all those in favor say I i all those oppo I so those opposed say nay all right motion carries three does and let the record reflect
that Kristin Deaton stepped out for the night and Howard Briley has stepped away for a moment and you can continue uh Commissioner Sargent thank you Mr. Mayor um did that did that um last week Tuesday May 13th my family and I were able to we went up on Sunday to attend the 37th annual Candlelight Vigil in DC for the National Law Enforcement Officers and we had
eight officers that participated in the ride from Virginia to DC and ends at the memorial and previously it was just our Chief that did this ride and now it's grown to um Officer Summerlot who's taken the the lead on this he's organized the car show and some other fundraisers so that they could could fund um the the cost of this and it was also nice this was the
first year that their wives were able to attend so it was nice to see all them up there um my oldest son Everett who's 10 went to the vigil with me the weather was horrible it was windy and rain not not a good night to have a a candle light i'll I'll say that but it was very impactful if you will to be on the lawn in Washington DC with the capital in the background you have all these law enforcement officers from around the US um paying tribute to the fallen and I think we had
there was almost 300 300 plus names that they read and it's very impactful and I know when I walked up as they were riding their bikes and on on that on Monday and you see little kids sitting there that lost their mom and dad you know it's very it's touching you know when you see someone there um so that was a great event it was um like I said it was great to see the wives attend
um I would like to uh hit on a couple items memorial Day remembrance ceremony will be at as the City Manager said Monday May 26th 9:00 a.m at Rockefeller Gardens i encourage everyone to come out this is where we pay tribute to those that passed away in the line of service to our country all we um the least we should be able to do is show up to remember them and then we can go to
our barbecues and have fun or do whatever but this is something that's very important that we should remember those that fought for our freedoms to sit in here and maybe agree to disagree but it's these men and women that paid that way we need to remember that Saturday June 14th fishing tournament for the kids this one's going to be at Neptune and Ocean Shore and Ike Leary provides the fishing poles and the bait that's why I'm very passionate about his name being on
the building for what he does for our community he cooks hot dogs for all the kids and families that are out there provides sodas and waters um that's why I'm very passionate about that again that is Saturday June 14th there is no cost it's for kids 4 to 12 years old um and they give out trophies and I don't think actually I think my kids did win that event last year there's one of
them that we didn't win maybe it's the Central Park Joyce if there's no fish well we need to stock that better because that's one that we haven't been able to win Caroline won it once did she yeah and uh you know I heard a comment tonight about how Ormond Beach has grown so much and on May 16th or uh the Daytona Beach News Journal News Census estimates Palm Coast Daytona Beach grew faster fastest in Volusia Flagler in 2024 Deltona tops 100,000 for the first time
what's interesting to me Deland tops Ormond Beach for the first time since 1960 or Beach growth rate in 2024 was just 0.7% with that I'll say good night thank you we're going to skip over Commissioner Deaton that she had mean she had to step out early and we're going to go right to Commissioner Briley thank you Mr. Mayor um to piggy back on Mr. Sargent's um discussion about growth population
growth TPO meeting about two weeks ago we discussed the where there's a presentation about road impacts where they where they project a lot of growth Palm Coast the projected growth between 2015 and 2050 I believe was somewhere around 140% and I just thought wow that's a lot of people a lot of growth in a 35- year period um I'll start off with congratulations to the Ormond
Brewery for winning Ormond Burger Week fantastic now unfortunately that was one of the burgers I didn't get to try but apparently must have been pretty good because they won um Commissioner uh they are offering it for another two weeks though oh the same burger yes very good same price too same price by the way oh wow very good um my only other comment tonight um and I'm I'm glad Miss. Bobak came this evening i'm glad she's still here um and this is probably something we need
to discuss in the future and Steven this is by no means you know the the the fault of Planning or anyone else but when I look at this proposed gas station at the corner of Hand Avenue and Nova Road that is the only gas station I know of with maybe the exception of the Sonoco station at US1 and Granada one on Beachside okay that's really that close to residential development most of our gas
stations don't back up to residential development this one hits home even a little harder because it's so close to Central Park and I believe you also have a couple are there a couple pump stations on division down there i know there's one if not two i don't if they're well points pump stations something but
they're all on the side of I'm sorry wells wells and I don't like the idea of having fuel storage tanks that close to drinking water wells and an Environmental Discovery Center if this was a fuel farm we'd probably be having the same conversation in my opinion gas stations are many fuel farms my bigger concern is we all know that when gas stations close they never reopen and the reason is it's cheaper to go build a new gas station
than it is to take care of the environmental damage caused by an existing gas station so I'm hoping that I know that this move down the road and our our current land development code and zoning allowed for it i still wish there were a way to stop this one for those reasons listed proximity to residences proximity to drinking wells proximity to an environmental park
because again I don't know where they've come in 30 40 years as far as how safe these underground fuel storage tanks are for gas pumps i know they went from I think one time from steel to to fiberglass but again I still think there's a potential for pretty big negative impacts but not only just looking at this particular site if we can go back and in and in and you
know the zoning maps and look at other areas where this this same type of activity could happen and we may want to look at changing the code to where maybe it's a special exception instead of the ability just to go through administrative process so that's all thank you thank you Commissioner Briley so I saw an email and I think some of the commission here probably might have received the
email i'm not sure and I think it was actually spoken about tonight about the road that runs behind um and I'm sorry just trying to pull up all my notes here now the uh the greatness of going last year uh Atlantic Road which is behind racetrack yeah shawn could you comment on that a little bit yes that was the one that Miss Craft was up earlier and she was mentioning and I
apologize i left her her message but it must have been late in the too late in the afternoon i'll reach out to her tomorrow the Atlantic Road is a little bit of a of an oddball here um it is not technically a road it is kind of an extension of the parking lot of of racetrack it's it's I think half of it is on the racetrack property half of it's on the property to the north of it um we've we've we've called we've talked to the racetrack owners um on various occasions they've had different times throughout history where they've gone out there and put band-aids on it
they haven't done anything near what we would do to repair a roadway um they they've put the bare minimum on it it is in pretty bad shape uh we're working with code enforcement neighborhood improvement right now um to try and get something to it um Atlantic Road could be a potentially very important road for us um as as we're getting the I95 interchange that could provide a connection to to um Plantation Oaks Boulevard um and allow people who are for development that may occur
further to the west to to be able to access that light um so we are very interested in it um we we we are trying to get them to being that it is it is a private property that's owned by an out of state entity it's a little bit of a challenge but that doesn't mean we're we're giving up on it and and trying to do it um we've discussed some different options of of how we can make it so that it's not as dangerous for for our residents um that that being almost the fail safe
before making of what we can do to make it safe so um we're discussing that internally and trying to work work with both property owners to try and make it something that that um is is I think what is expected to be um by the residents who who who utilize it i know I've utilized it um coming out of that racetrack it the easiest way to come back into town is to go back around through there go to the light of Plantation Oaks Boulevard it's almost to the point now where where it is um an obstacle for us so um we're very aware of it we've been working with them um this is one that's
a little bit out of our out of our control because because it's not a public roadway we can't go on to that private that private property and make those improvements so um but but we will continue to work on it continue like I said if if not make it safer make it less dangerous if if that makes sense to give you a little to give you a little background on that okay in my experience I used to work for Volusia County government and that used to all be county government up there that was all unincorporated county and we did not even maintain Atlantic Road we would maintain a little
bit of it and then the rest of it was in county maintenance so it's private property and the problem the city or the county would have going in there and doing something like that is number one you assume maintenance of the roadway after you do it which means the taxpayers now have to pay for it and continue to maintain it uh and then you also accept any liability after you've approved the roadway so leaving it the way it is and I think there's an end I thought I saw an in city maintenance sign up there in the video i I believe so yes and and that that and that public
that is no longer city's maintenance so whoever the private property owner that owns that road now here's the thing whoever owns the road they could decide they're not going to do anything and just put a put some sort of fence up or and just stop access if it's private property that was going to be my question is that can the property owner even do that yes the property owner can entirely do that they could they could run a fence down the middle of the road being that on their north property line and I don't think we want to to get to that point so we're we're trying to work with with with the context that we have to to to make sure that and I for improving the
road just not a taxpayer expense and and nor our liability randy yes i hesitate to jump into this for obvious reasons um it is uh privately owned so uh governments um are generally prohibited from using public monies public resources to make improvements to um to to to private property uh unless there's a primary underlying primary public benefit to that now you can make an argument both
ways on this to be clear in my opinion it is a liability issue for the property owners on either side of the divide um a question and we've had this internal discussion for city staff is whether there's a whether it would serve a public purpose for the city to acquire that and expend the funds to improve that and I think I think um Shawn has um described some of those I think which would serve as a as a good basis for that in terms of whether or not uh the property owners
could just uh section it off um if they needed to do that on a temporary basis in order to make uh corrective repairs yeah maybe so I think they would have a difficult time permanently um um prohibiting people to access it because it's been made available for so many years and there's different types of equitable um easements that can be claimed through litigation of course
uh that's going to be one of my questions is is that considered an easement well I mean there's lots of different theories about that you could get there um but it would involve um a confrontation and conflict and um and and those those types of situations there's never a good solution uh we know what the problem is and I think the staff's trying to work on a solution and it's going to involve a participation by the property owners and I think once they have something in hand there's a way that we can make that happen if the city uh determines through your
decision-making here that it's appropriate for the commission to acquire that property um then we can we can we we can do that we can make that but it's not going to be a quick fix in the meantime the mandate approach is going to have to uh work and and maybe that through code enforcement that'll give them some incentive i mean the liability alone should give them incentive so but anyway that's my two cents worth thank you Randy so I guess in the meantime we'll just let code enforcement kind of work its magic and hope that hopefully it'll it'll
correct itself or at least put the uh um you know put the pressure on the property owner to uh to do something about it well thank you for that um also like to uh thank the burger week um participants everybody that participated in it it was definitely a lot of work for the restaurants uh but a lot of them did very well um some of the feedback was that uh there was people that didn't even know that some of the restaurants even offered burgers and actually the winner who was
Ormond Brewery that uh some people actually said I read some comments online that they didn't even know that they offered food so these are the type of benefits that really work well um so congrats to all the uh individuals that were involved and uh they did a fantastic job um sorry I just um when you go last this is some of the things you have to go with there was a uh uh proclamation that I read on uh last week for nursing uh to recognize nursing
so that was a really nice uh get together and I don't know if anybody from the commission came but we had uh some first responders that uh came out i think some of you did get the invite on it and the residents were really happy about it so I was really pleased to uh be out there uh for that event as well i'd like to also again thank the residents that came out and spoke tonight um I know it's uh you know it's a lot to ask for especially for some of the older folks to come out 7:00 at night to uh speak on record um but I think that
um we all uh I'd like to thank the commission here um listening to the residents and um and seeing what we can try to do to at least find out some information about the future use of Riverbend Golf Course um other than that I will commiss i one thing I forgot on my closing comments may is also ALS awareness month and uh I believe you presented or you prepared a proclamation which is on the city's website yes correct yes I did premier uh prepare a proclamation and I
think that there might be somebody who will accept the proclamation i got I got an email late this afternoon from Mr. Berquette who actually requested the proclamation and he said unfortunately no one's going to be able to be here to uh accept the proclamation but he just wanted to thank the city commission for the proclamation so just wanted to pass that along okay well great i appreciate the information on that one um other than that though I'm going to close out the night and thank you everyone for came out that came out tonight