And um so time is now 7:04. I'll now call this commission meeting to order. At this time, I please like to ask everyone to silence your cell phones and any other electronic devices.
Your greeter at the door today was um parks and recreation director Robert Caroline. And starting to my far right and your far left, we have recording secretary Terrell Lockert, city clerk Susan Dodris, zone one commissioner, deputy mayor
Lorie Taland. >> Good evening, everyone. >> Zone 2 Commissioner Travis Sergeant. >> Good evening. Welcome. >> And directly to my left and to your right, we have zone 3 Commissioner Kristen Deon. >> Good evening. >> Zone four, Commissioner Howard Bryley. >> Good evening and welcome.
>> City Manager Joyce Shanahan. Assistant City Manager Claire Whitley, Deputy City Attorney Anne Margaret Emory, and to my far left and your far right, we have Police Chief Jesse Godfrey,
Deputy Fire Chief Nat Nate Cordray, and I am Mayor Jason Leslie. At this time, I'd like to call up Reverend Larry Temple of Life Community Church for the invocation followed by
the pledge of allegiance. Let us pray. Mighty God, we thank you for your presence in this place. We ask for wisdom for every leader, every speaker here. We ask for wisdom and that all that transpire here be for the benefit
and the uplift of Orman Beach. Thank you for your blessing not only in this time but on our city. If you agree with that, say amen. >> Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Reverend, for coming out. You all may be seated. Um, city clerk, do we have the delegates here at this point for the uh awards
part of this the meeting? >> No, not yet. >> Okay. Do we know how much time we need for them so we can continue on? >> Three or four minutes. >> Okay. Okay. So, we're going to we'll
move on to the consent agenda. >> Yeah. You know what? I just don't want to go out of order here. I mean, we we we have this agenda written down. We publicly notice it for a reason. And um so I think what I'm going to do is I'm just going to go into a uh a 10-minute recess
and if they're not here in 10 minutes, we're going to continue on and whoever's here is here and whoever's not is not and then we're just going to move on to the whole agenda. So I'm just going to go a 10-minute recess. Thank you. Clover on Granada. So some of our delegates that were coming in from out
of town have been stuck in the uh the traffic with the rollover. So um hopefully everybody's okay with the rollover. So maybe keep some some of those presents or in your your thoughts and prayers right now. Okay. Okay.
Okay. The time is now 7:12. I'll reconvene this uh city commission meeting. Um, we're going to skip the presentations and proclamations at the moment. U, like I said, we're waiting for our delegates to get here and there's situation going on. So, we're
going to move into audience remarks and um, depending excuse me. Anyway, so we're going to go into audience remarks and then uh at some point when the delegates are here to receive their awards, we'll we'll pause the audience remarks to do the
awards and then we'll go back to the audience remarks. So, with that said, we're going to go ahead and call up Greg Gimbert to come first. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Point of clarification. >> Yes. with a notice that we were going to
wait 10 minutes. Do we have to wait 10 minutes? Can we get clarification from legal on this, please? >> How many How I don't know what was the time that >> city clerk, what time was it when we uh recessed the meeting? >> 7:08. >> Okay.
>> And resume at 7:12. >> Okay. So, um I I think it's okay to proceed just if if anyone comes in late and wants to go ahead and uh speak just I think there'll be enough time. I think we'll they'll >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, I think it
>> all right. We can do that then. All right. Everyone okay with that? >> Okay. Good. Okay. So, uh Greg Gimbert, where you at? Come on up. Hey everybody, just >> my name is Greg Gimbert. Can >> you fix the microphone just so we can hear you a little better? Yeah, I
appreciate that. >> Good evening. My name is Greg Gimbert. I'm from Daytona Beach, Florida. I'm your neighbor, but tonight I'm here on behalf of a political committee called Let Valuchia Vote. And I know I know all of y'all and I hope all of y'all have heard about what we are doing, which is
trying to get a new protection in our county charter to protect us from potable reuse being put directly in the water supply or as Deltona is getting ready to do, inject it into the aquafer to greenwash it. And for the people at home that don't know what potable reuse
is, potable, drinkable, reuse sewage, potable, reuse, drinkable sewage. Opinions vary. So, I'm trying to figure out how the heck I could get through to y'all because I'm asking you to consider your preeemption and and lend your name personally as a bringer of this
countywide petition to add horsepower to something that most people have no idea is even happening. So, I reached out to the county chairman cuz he too has the same people trying to get between him and other decision. I'm
like, Jeff, how the hell do I reach him? And uh Chase is calling by the way, Traymond. So uh so anyway, you want me to take his call and put me on hold, see where he's at? >> No, that's okay. Just keep going. >> So I asked him, "How the heck do I get through to him?" Because I got so many
different ways to to approach it. Is this is it it's our last opportunity to set minimum standards because the state's getting ready to set the minimum standards as a maximum standards. They've been preempting y'all on everything from stop signs to planning and zoning and now they're going to preempt you on water quality. And that's
just not planning and zoning. That's now health and safety, you know, and not just on a grudge for the preeemption, but to join us because this is the last chance we, you know, we have to get any sort of enforcable pause on development. And Chairman Brower's like, "No, this is
the last chance we have to get enforcable protections for the aquafer." And right then and there he really crystallized a lot of stuff. So we're not arguing over poopy water science like people did COVID science. We're just going to get a vote on whether we drink the mask this time. So So that's what I'm here tonight. And before I run
out of time, um again, I'm asking for y'all to consider individually city commissioners like your mayor has done and said, "Greg, put my personal name on there as a citizen to join the petition." So before I run out of time, does anybody have any questions? Does anybody want to put their hand up and say, "Add me?
comment. >> Do you want to do the comment when he's done or do you want to comment now because he's got 26 seconds? >> Yeah, I'll do it now. >> Okay, go ahead. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Greg, just for the public record, I've met with Greg yesterday and I've researched this issue
for many years now since Chairman Brower brought it up in 2020ish, probably. You know, we have Florida Hospital in 2011 release a a health issue brief. Florida's water crisis. Now, what talks about it, um, the state
statutes that make it illegal to turn portable water into drinking water. Um, I I will put my personal name on it, Greg. Um, but I think that we need to um maybe have further discussions down the
road to have a uh workshop on discussion. um because I don't think this is an immediate issue in the next 5 to 10 years, but I think for our kids and grandkids, that's where this is going to
come into play. Um so therefore, I will put my personal name on your um initiative and like I said, I hopefully in the future we can have a workshop to discuss this further, but I've done as I know my research on an issue. Um,
and this was another reason why I voted the way I did last meeting, um, the way I did. I got chastised for it, but my whole purpose of that was because if we were to supply water and sewer or water, um, we'd have to up our cup size 23% to
supply another municipality's development. So, that's why I voted the way I did. I got chastised for it. I own it. >> I didn't understand it either, and I appreciate it to the way you did. >> It's okay. But, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else like to say anything? I whoever wants to go first.
>> Um, hi Greg. >> Hey, >> I am happy to put my personal name on there as a resident. That does not bother me whatsoever. I as well would love a workshop as I've done a lot of research since I've seen it on social media, but somebody's got to be smarter than me at this and I'd love to hear more about it. >> We have a lot of time between when we
ballot qualify and vote to have those wonderful conversations and we workshop the heck out of it. I have information to share. Thank you sincerely, >> Commissioner Riley. I would concur. I would put my name to it only because again I want more research on this thing because there are
some questions that I have out there such as some things that you can filter out of the water but some things may not be filterable or you can't get it out. >> Yeah. >> And I don't think maybe the the the public needs to be ingesting that. So um yeah, I think there's a lot more a lot more research needs to go into this
before we start doing it. So thank you. >> So you're on it too. Bring your other petition. >> Deputy mayor. I had I will disclose I had a meeting with Greg yesterday and um my my biggest concern is I don't
like to put my name on anything that I don't 100% understand and so I am a no at the moment that doesn't mean I won't be in the future but just like our discussion I feel like I need to be educated more so I would would
definitely want an a workshop and um I have done a little bit more reading about it since you and I talked and I'm still not 100% on board. Um I do think the voters, the residents do um I don't
like to um handcuff our voters. So I do think there's validity in that, but I'm not 100% with the research yet and I really need to learn a little more about it. >> So totally respect that. Could I get my last 30 seconds before I go? >> Um just I will in a second. I just want
to just reiterate something real quick what the commissioner sergeant said. So I agree um with the workshop. Is there a consensus here to have staff maybe workshop this at some point in the future? >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. We have a consensus. Okay. Uh did you want to close out something? Uh
Mr. Gimbert? >> Yeah. You know, I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart. So sincerely, I've been clowned for 10 years telling trying to get people to pay attention to this and there's still people that want to keep up snookered and you guys are so damn brave. I mean, I've had city commissioners here. I've
had mayors there, but I almost got my first straight flush >> and that's double doubleandre. Thank you guys so much. and and Miss Tolen, we I don't think we're ever going to get this the real deal on it, but I hope at the conclusion of it, you'll say you'll realize that if we
don't do this now, we're going to race right past the poopy water line and keep going. This is just an enforcable pause. Thank you for your consideration so sincerely, every one of you. >> Thank you. Have a great night. Merry Christmas. >> I'm gone. Merry Christmas to you all. >> Amber, uh Amber, go back. Oh, yeah.
Usually you're over there. Where am There you are. >> Cinder is here. >> Okay. Do we have anybody else from our delegation here that we're waiting for? Okay. Do we have anybody from Pardington and Traymont? Okay. Um, Senator, we're just going to
do one more public comment to wait for your other colleagues. If they don't come, then we're going to proceed. Good. Okay. Great. I got thumbs up over there. That's good. >> We don't want to upset you, Senator. Amber, floor is yours. >> Okay. Amber Bob, Orman Beach resident. Please bear with me. As you know, I am
not a good public speaker. Good evening, mayor, commissioners, staff, and neighbors. I am speaking again tonight because I want Orman Beach to stay the Orman Beach I've loved, the one I call home. Like many people in this room, I grew up I didn't grow up entirely inside
the city limits. I've lived back and forth between Clay and Valuchia County for years. I chose to raise my family here because of family, community, the land, the water, and the quiet spaces that still exist between us. That choice came with responsibility. I want to be
clear about something that gets left out in the noise driven by emotion. Most of the undeveloped land we are talking about within this city lately is already privately owned and legally zoned for some sort of development. Under current state law, the city cannot simply say
no. And pretending otherwise puts Orman at risk and often results in worse outcomes. I know this firsthand. Otherwise, there would not be a Circle K prepping to go up against my neighbors homes. This doesn't mean we give up. It means we get smarter, we go higher, and
we fight for change the right way. I respect our planning staff, our boards, this dis while also not always agreeing with decisions or outcomes. I also understand the anger and fear many residents feel when they see trees come down and for sale signs go up, the
way I feel, too. But instead continuing to shout past once one another and calling somebody out for this or that, I want to explore any legal, financial, realistic way the city can preserve what remains.
I would like to talk about building a community preservation fund that doesn't rely on waiting for grants that may never come. I know we have county options, but let's focus on what we can do here. Tonight, I'm not asking the city to spend money it doesn't have. I'm asking
the city to lead an open public conversation about how residents can help shoulder the responsibility of preservation. This $100 is not much, but it's real. I'm offering it as the first contribution towards preserving the places that made so many of us choose
Orman Beach in the first place. Because protecting the city isn't the job of the dis or the staff alone. It's not the job of one voice. It's not solved by pretending the law is something it's not. It's a shared commitment of our community, holding the act within reality, care,
and with each other. Thank you. >> Thank you, Amber. Okay. So, we uh gave enough time for our rest of our delegates to come and we're going to move on to the uh we're going to pause the public comment here and go into the presentations and proclamations
section. Um, so today we'd like to recognize our esteemed Valuchia County legislative delegates. And uh, I know we have Senator Tom Wright here. Um, so I will call him up first. Check. >> Checkbody,
>> Senator. >> Good to see you. >> Yes, you too. We really appreciate everything you do for our community. Um, I know you guys work hard up there in Tallahassee and you're all over the place. I see on social media doing great things a lot for the vets and and uh the police and the fire. So, we greatly
appreciate everything you do. So, that's one of the reasons why we brought you out here tonight was to recognize all your services. Uh I know this is going to be your last legislative session, right, as a senator. So, we'll miss you, but you did some great work and I know you got some work ahead of you coming up. Um but with that, I'm going to give
you the microphone for a second if you wanted to say a few things. >> Thank you. >> We got to be careful giving a politician a microphone, but that's all right. You're not getting it back. How much time do we have? >> No. Really, uh, Orman Beach has always been so strong for their community and
coming to see us in in Tallahassee and and they should be applauded for that. They work very hard on behalf of this community and making sure that we in Tallahassee know what the needs are of the community, what what the desires are, and we work hard with them to try and make that happen. So, that's what it
takes. It takes the same thing for individuals. Just come and see us if you want. We do have a Port Orange office here. I do as my as as you're in well part of my district. Most of it's Tom Leak's district, but still we all work together to make sure that we take care of the people that we represent. And so
each senator has 600,000 constituents. Some days they're all calling at the same time. Kind of overloads the communities and the phones. But I just want you to know how proud I am to be able to serve the communities. And it's been a pleasure these last seven years. And we got one more year to go. So let's
not give up yet. Maybe we can even get some more exciting things done for the community of Orman Beach. And and every year they they seem to uh recognize us and and you know that means a lot to us. We don't do this for the money. We get paid $29,000 a year. So no one wants the
job for 29,000 a year, but it's it's just to be able to serve our community for eight years if we're given that luxury and to give back to our community. So thank you very much. >> Thank you, Senator. And you know, I hope I don't overstep here a little bit, but
if I'm correct, um, during CO, I think you were the only office open too for residents and you were taking calls from everybody all across Florida. So, yeah. >> Wow. So, thank you for that, too, as well. >> Okay, with that said, it's going to be picture time. And we're going to see which one is yours. Yeah, there you go.
Right in the middle. >> Did you want your aid to come or just want to Sure. >> Okay. Charlene, where you at? >> Take some pictures. >> Oh, she to take some pictures. Okay. >> She's got a tough job. >> Yeah. Come on. So, this is Charlene Gagner. She lives in Oh, Arma Beach. >> Yes.
>> Did you know that? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And uh Come on. And she's she runs our office all year round and she she herself does all the hard work in the community. She makes it happen. And everywhere I go, people say and I was I was at Embry Bennett VA nursing home
today doing their Christmas event from 2 to 4. And this one gentleman came in a wheelchair and said, "Tell Charlene, thank you for all she does for veterans." So, how about that? >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Senator.
>> Thank you. Thank you all. We appreciate you. >> Come see us. >> Thank you. Good to see you, my friend. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, the holidays are coming. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. >> So, today I had the good fortune to be
with the Korean War veterans today. >> Here in the state of Florida, we estimated 18 months ago, we had 10,000 World War II veterans living here and we have 4,000 today. We're working on a project to record all of their history and be able to preserve
that for all of us throughout the state to be able to touch screen. I think that'll be beneficial for all people to have a better idea of what's going on currently and looking back at the history and what so many have given for this country of ours. God bless the
United States of America. >> All right. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming out and merry merry Christmas and have a happy new year. Yes, you too. >> Okay, thank you everyone for your patience on that one. Uh, but we appreciate Senator
coming out and uh, we're going to move on back to public comment. So, next up, we're going to call up Jeff Bruns. Hey y'all. Thanks for having me. I'm here representing 915 Ocean Shore Boulevard, uh, Shoreham. I don't know if
anybody's seen the building. It's in Lor's district. We just finished, we're at the end of a $2.5 million renovation project to get our concrete under control based on the building that collapsed down in Miami, Fort
Lauderdale, whatever. But um so the project for the A1A has come through just recently. So we're just at the end of this trying to protect everything we built, you know, from a building was built in 1972. The problem is the A1A road that's put
in, they've taken most of our gradual um declining land out to the road and it's and it's and they've put basically two retention ponds right in front of our retaining wall for our uh covered garage and we think it's going to be a
problem. So, I wanted to go on record that we need to have an engineer or somebody come out and evaluate this because we had we I mean, I've been there for 10 years. We've had no water problems at all. The water usually just slowly degraded and was absorbed by the
the grass that was there, but the grass is gone now. They've taken, like I said, they've taken half of it and replaced it with concrete. And all the concrete now flows into these two culverts and they put these mini retention ponds right in front of our our garage. So I encourage
people to go by 915 and go look at it and see what they've done cuz the water's got to have somewhere to go. And before, like I said, it had a place to to go and be absorbed by the sand. But now it's all getting pushed and there's going to be more of it, too. as the rains come. I've been through lots of
hurricanes down here and there's lots of water that shows up, but it's going to push directly right into these ponds which is get sitting right next to our garage retaining wall now. >> Um Joyce, can you have somebody follow
up with him on that? Okay, thank you. Yep. >> Um may I >> 915 uh Ocean Shore Boulevard and uh you this is your contact number. It's on the card. >> Yeah, I'm I'm on the board there. actually the treasur. So I came to represent the whole we have 57 owners. >> Okay.
>> And there everybody's concerned because literally we just assessed and we just fixed all the stuff to protect the concrete. That's the goal. And now we've got all this water coming in off the roads and these two I mean one they took out all of our landscaping. They pulled
all of our irrigation system out. You know literally it's in pieces. I had pictures of it functioning two weeks before they did it. It's all gone. And now the water has nowhere to go. I mean, it's not like they put it into storm drains to flush it out. It's just going to sit in these retaining ponds and it's
going to push it's it's got to have somewhere to go. It's going to go towards our building and we're just afraid it's going to cause us, you know, issues, you know, quickly, you know, when the next big rain comes. >> Okay. Um, we had somebody from the commission want to say something. Go ahead, uh, Lori. >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, we had a
F DOT workshop. I know you were in there prior to the workshop. I talked with um >> John. >> John, is it John or Jim? >> Jim. >> Jim. And I shared with him pictures um that Mr. Alan Burton gave me with
that same address with the issues. So, prior to the FDOT um meeting, he is already aware of it. He's going to take a look at it and he will get back with you. >> Not with you, but with Mr. Burton and with staff. I mean, we've written I mean, we've been stroking checks for
engineers for the last, you know, two years, 6,000 a month. I mean, I don't want to write another check for an engineer to look at something that we didn't cause that was, you know, caused by FOT. So, I don't know if the city has an engineer that they could send out to tell us like what's going to happen with this water. I mean, it's got nowhere to
go. >> He's very aware of the problem. So, I I just want to tell you it's already in the works, but I'm sure staff will follow up and and continue with that. >> Well, staff will follow up for sure. I appreciate it. >> Okay. Thank you for coming out, Jeff. >> Thanks.
>> Next up, we have Todd Wean. >> Good evening everyone. My name is Todd Ween. I work for K&G Aviation as well as Super USA at the Orman Beach Airport. Uh today we want to talk to you about uh to show our support for removing of some of
the trees that are in the uh approach and departure safety zones for the runways at the airport. Uh it's very important obviously that these be cleared. I think it's kind of self-evident. Um it's very important that these trees are
gone. Uh even just the other day, one of our clients aircraft had an engine issue on departure. Uh, luckily the pilot has over 14,000 hours of flying time. He's flown out of the airport since before I was probably born. Uh, so he was very familiar. Him and a second pilot were
able to bring the airplane around, land safely, even though they even missed a coyote that was on the runway on takeoff. So double whammy. Um, because of these trees, the the FAA has also issued a notm as I'm sure some of you are aware. So now there's a NOTM.
We've increased the aircraft, the minimums for aircraft coming in during instrument flight conditions. We've currently had other clients, customers who have been forced now to divert to Daytona. Uh they can't even come home. They are they own companies here. They
own hangers at the airport. They employ members of the community. Uh they own homes in the community, if I didn't say that already. Um now they're forced to go to Daytona. We have to make arrangements to get them. It doesn't come without expense. Uh it can be anywhere from thousands to tens of
thousands of dollars for these uh customers just to have to go to Daytona uh and then to relocate their aircraft back to Orman when they can. These issue the issues of removing trees. It's not new to the airport. We've done it in 2018. Several trees
were I believe trimmed and stuff like that. I think 40ome acres I believe that was that was done. We've had other issues because of that. There's the the animals on the airport are have gone insane. I've almost hit a turkey just taxiing on the airport. Um I
can see the coyotes have been out deer. We've actually had a aircraft hit a deer. Uh we've also had an aircraft um five or six years ago actually hit trees on approach to land at the airport Norand. Uh so I really hope you guys will take
time and we can get this resolved and uh make the airport safer for all of us and for the community. Thank you. >> Thanks Todd. Next we have Arthur Armstrong. Good evening. Thank you for having me
here. Um, I'm speaking to some old business and it's basically the resolution number 2012-21, the Brownfield Redemption Act. Um, the reason I I I bring this up again is the brownfield is land obviously and they're
using the word brownfield because it sounds good. It sounds like it's a dessert or something. Brownfield is nothing but some of the worst pollution we have in this country generated by years and years years of neglect and whatnot. Omen Beach is not uh it should be and is
very familiar with hazardous waste in this property. We've got it everywhere in Alman Beach. I'm just going to give you a quick scenario. Okay, they um some of the some of the some of these locations, these brownfields, we're going to start right with just a gentleman just left the airport. The
airport was originally back in World War II. World War II, I was in the army. Trust me, I know what we do or didn't do back then. I wasn't that old. I'm not that old. But during that time, anything and everything that came out of those planes, any kind of problem, any kind of uh hazardous waste, gasoline, whatever
went in the ground. It went in the ground. Every place I've been in the army, I know that's what it Vietnam the same way. We did not play games. That place is polluted. Okay, that's just one location in this community. It's got to be resolved. It's not going to be resolved by taking trees down and adding
on lengths of our runway. the the uh I'm sorry the the uh airport airport business park one and two has brownfields nothing's being done about they just keep building um how road how road is basically and I've said this before is one of the worst roads we have
in this city worst roads dangerous we have all of our children people from all over the world come to play in our fields and that road is deplorable we have continuing situations where some of the equipment that's used are trucks and stuff like that in and out of Hell Road
spilling on a regular basis. I can call that department right there and I get nothing. Or they'll show up and it's never even cleaned up, right? Or they'll call up some of the people that have spilled, clean your mess up. You look at run, you look at Route One right now and there's areas, big areas of h asphalt
and other materials that have been dropped. It's still on that road. When you go over that road, it's like this. People are on bikes, people are walking. They have to run over that. There's nothing done about it. I could tell you probably six different times that I could probably tell you about something like that. Okay, that's that's the hull road, the Florida Keys, Florida, I'm
sorry, the Florida East Coast Railroad that runs through our community is polluted. Everything on a lot of those areas that have problems, especially where they have to have third rails and things like that, it's history. It's there. It's not being taken care of, though. Tammoker Estates is a It's a
shame. This is a nice estate. Riverbend Golf Club closed. has pollution on it from where? The airport. They're not doing anything about it, but it's been closed for four years and and uh it should be open. That's what it should be. The um
uh let me see. Okay. Well, I guess I didn't judge my time, but I went over a couple of other things, but >> this has got to be taken care of. Thank you. >> Next up is David Joel. I'm David Juwel, 2040 Tony Street, Orman
Beach. On December 2nd of 25, I presented a letter from St. John's River Water Management at the Valuchia County Council meeting. It was a warning letter dated October 31st, 2025 addressed to
the city of Orman Beach. The letter recommended that construction cease at the airport sports complex due to lack of permits. After discovering that airport property could contain hazardous materials that
Orman Beach described in a December 19, 2014 EPA grant application were possibly contaminated with several toxic and hazardous substances
and they are being hauled to a Valuchia County road building site. I became concerned. I tried to alert city and county officials to a possible dangerous situation. Discovery of hazardous materials at the
airport could affect future construction. St. John's River made several attempts to halt construction at the sports complex and finally moved in and shut it down on December 10th of 2025 at 2:30
p.m. When will this former Navy airport property be tested for hazardous materials and complete brownfield assessment, which the city was awarded a $400,000
grant in 2016 to do and hopefully finally get a clean bill of health that Orman Beach children can play ball without concerns or possible dangers. Thank you. Thank you, David.
Next up is Colleen McMahon. Good evening everyone. Colleen McMahon, candidate for zone one. I'm here tonight because I'm going to talk about what Mr. David Juel just spoke about. On October 31st, 2025, over at the
airport, it was another order to stop any kind of construction over there. Residents are calling me. I've got video. December 10th, I had three videos again of us bulldozing. The problem was we did not have the correct permit. I
talked to St. John's River Waste Management and I spoke to him. He said they're going to get the permit. It's not right now. They don't have it. He told me that as a candidate and as a resident that any other bulldozing that goes on at that site needs to be stopped
and he will go again over to the airport and shut it down again. We don't have the right permits. They are doing things over there at the airport. I did also talk to the Department of Environmental Protected Solid Waste Facility. We're talking facility 107592.
What they're telling us is there is no evidence of pollutant releases. what were have been observed over there. We have no soil sampling but we are bulldozing that soil. So I am concerned about the children. Absolutely. We're bulldozing over there. Where is those
where are those solvents going into our wastewater? Everybody is concerned. As a candidate, I'm getting calls from the residents that are telling me they are concerned. We have a lot of issues at the airport in zone one and I think we need to take a look at it. I'm asking you to do a workshop along with Steven.
Thank you for what you do, but we need to figure out this airport is what I'm saying to everybody. I also would like to say that I submitted a public records request. Again, request for communication regarding this airport. Again, I'm charged $167.
So, the transparency of what's going on out there at that airport, especially as a candidate, when I'm talking to residents, they want to know. But again, we can't get the records. So, that's my concern. Again, according to the auto renewal contracts, which raises real
concern again here is a transparency. The public is simply trying to understand what is going on in our city. Let me be clear. Developers get meetings, consultants get contracts, we the people get three
minutes. We don't get comments. We don't get a back and forth. We're just told to look at the clock and say, "You get three minutes, candidate Colleen, and then be quiet and go sit down." This is going to change. This is going to change. The next foyer request, cuz I have 22 minutes, just so Joyce Shanahan
knows, it will be to find out on all advisory boards the names of the people how long they've been on the advisory boards as far as their years and tenure because we the people are tired. Enough is enough. That's all I have to say. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Sure, Commissioner Sergeant comment. >> Can we can staff provide an update on this permit and on these foyer requests so that they are being answered in a timely manner? Um, I just would like to
know more about it and I I think the residents deserve it. >> Fair enough. Next up, we have Jane Doe. >> Jane Doe here. >> Speak about give more time to somebody else. Do that.
>> Um, we can only just do it, you know, three minutes each card. So, if you can want maybe split it in half, you know, do half now and half for someone else, whatever you want to do. But >> okay, I get half. >> Okay. So, >> if you need >> So, you could speak now for the three
minutes. to speak. >> You don't need to speak. Okay. So, we'll go to James Power. James Power is next. Come on up. I'd first like to say good evening and happy holidays. Um, I had sent Joyce.
Joyce, pay attention. Uh, >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The the We need the correct times. Three Three minutes. >> No, she gave half the time to me. >> I'm sorry. The time isn't transferable. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. >> Oh, it's not. >> No, I'm sorry. >> Oh, so you guys go against Florida statute on everything, not just uh
policy and procedure. >> Okay. >> It's three minutes per person. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay. So when FR uh F foundation risk partners was in here and they had a lady come up and give her time to the gentleman that was speaking for
foundation risk partners am since I'm a citizen. I'm not a corporate owner. Is that fall into a different field? I'm just trying to understand like you're legal not me. >> Okay. You're you're cutting into your three minutes. So >> Oh, so
you make dialogue. Okay. So, I guess I'm just going to start right here. J uh Jason, I sent Joyce an email. I've sent her two. Never get a response from her. I did put in that email. Joyce, pay attention, please. I did put in that
email. Pardon? >> I'm taking notes. >> Good. Thank you. Uh, I did put in that email that I would come and tell the whole commission what's going on. When you do a public records request here in Orman Beach, they're never fulfilled the right way. The only one
I've ever got fulfilled is through Captain Roos. He's the only one that can fill a public records request the right way. I have on body cam video from Lieutenant Larson in the back of the room. I'm not going to state the name of the person that I just don't think they understood
what they were doing wrong. in their official capacity went up to Lieutenant Larson and asked, "Who is that gentleman that stood up and talked about Lion Leslie?" My problem is, I've never seen this.
I've lived here in Orman Beach for 35 years. When my wife spoke and turned her back, I got a call from legal saying that it it's a it could be considered a disruption of a a business meeting by me raising my hand. could be considered a
disruption of a business meeting. What I would like you to do, mayor, since you run the meetings, is look up uh uh the second DCA court of appeals on January 18th, 2025 in the state of Florida on you can raise
your hand. You remember when you rejected me for raising my hand? you what what you honestly did is you violated my first amendment right and the second DCA already has made a court ruling on that
to the next step. I only got 45 seconds during the uh Christmas parade. You solicited a trespass against a citizen right now as an open for request to everyone sitting here. I would like the body cam footage, all notes, all
documentation and text messages uh with uh Officer Kennedy Meyers and Kennedy, Meyers, and uh Henderson. I would also request at this moment every
text message between you and Lieutenant Larson for the last six months. I know I can't go after your personal cell phone, but what I will go after is any of your personal cell phone text messages to Lieutenant Larson's cell phone through the city.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Everyone heard the public records request. >> Marsha Blue. Marcia Blue, 12 Honey Bear Path. Good evening everyone. A few years ago, three of us were given a tour of the Orman
Beach Municipal Airport Grounds. We asked the status of the Brown Field and were told there was no brown fields there. On December 2nd at the city commission meeting, brownfields was mentioned again. Basically with digging
going on at the ball fields, people want to be certain that if brown fields exist in the airport areas, then folks want to know, if appropriate measures have been taken, what type of contamination, what dates and type of services performed,
what cleanup and company used. If no brown fields exist, show the show us the documentation and dates and how and when they were tested and if there was contamination, what company tested and the reports the company provided the
city. There are a lot of brownfields documentation that mentions US one airport corridor. Here are a few in which I will read only important areas. Fiscal year 15 US EPA brownfields assessment grant. In
addition to the environmental justice concerns presented in the Granada Boulevard area, the city has concerns over unknown and potentially significant contamination that may have been associated with 15 years of past activities at the former
United States military base once located in the airport area. Petroleum products and hazardous materials commonly found on military bases include chlorinated solvents. Petroleum fuels, engine maintenance products, pesticides, toxic
heavy metals, radioactive materials, lead paint, asbestous containing materials. The airport area has been built up, but potential contaminants have not been delineated, not removed to
have not been delineated, not removed um to the city's knowledge. Toxic substances have been used on the site. Resolution number 2012-21 states a resolution designating certain
lands located in the north US Highway 1 area to be Brownfield area including the Orman Beach Municipal Airport/Business Park. Brownfield's redevelopment act is to reduce public health and
environmental hazards on commercial and industrial sites. Promote site rehabilitation to eliminate the risk that contamination may pose to the environment and public health. Taking into account the current and future use
of land and water and the degree to which contamination may spread and place the public or environment at risk. and to eliminate community decline including disease and illness, crime, etc. Thank you. >> Thank you, Marsha.
>> Jackson Collier. >> All righty. Howdy. >> How you doing, sir? >> I'm good. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it. My name is Jackson Collier. I'm a public affairs specialist with the United States Small Business Administration's Office of Disaster Recovery. If you don't mind if I ask you to lift the microphone a little higher. There you go. This way I can hear you.
>> All righty. Public affairs specialist with the United States Small Business Administration's Office of Disaster Recovery. We're the largest source of funds for homeowners, uh, businesses, nonprofits, etc. in a disaster. Um I'm here right now uh because there was a
disaster declared um in Brevard, Indian River, Orange, Oyola, Simol, and Valuia on October 26th as a result of a very severe storm from my understanding and floods. Um and I just wanted to make folks aware in this room and you know in front of me that uh there is a looming
deadline on the 6th of January for any of that uh assistance that we provide. Uh this assistance are uh disaster loans uh physical disaster loans where folks who were damaged their businesses their personal property if they were a renter their personal property there that would
be covered. Uh these are the loans as low as uh 3% for homeowners and 4% for businesses. Um, and I just wanted to note that I have spoken with a lot of the emergency managers already throughout the counties that I mentioned, and I do know that uh, Valuia
didn't really experience too much of an impact from that storm. So, I do want to mention though that uh the SBA does offer mitigation funding, mitigation assistance, and folks impacted by Hurricane Milton may want to have more information about this. Um if they had a
physical disaster loan from us uh for Hurricane Milton, let's say within the last 2 years, they'd be eligible maybe to get uh mitigation funding up to 20% of their loss verified. Um, so I just wanted to make sure that the uh, you know, the city had that information and
was aware of it, that deadline coming up. Um, be happy to answer any questions. >> No questions. Thank you. Come out Jackson. >> May I approach the bench to give you a card? My >> if you want give it to city clerk and she'll hand me. Thank you.
>> Um, next up we have Greg Shamakin. >> Siobhan, I'll relinquish my time. Mr. We cover the safety aspects of trees and beer. >> Okay. Thank you, Greg. All right. With that, we're done with the um audience remarks and we're going to move on to
consent agenda. >> Mr. Mayor, >> I'm sorry. Nope. Nope. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know. I just skipped over it. Approval of the minutes. I know this this weird thing that we did tonight just messed me up. Uh we're going to move to the approval of the minutes first. >> Approve. second. >> You know, I'm just going to read it real quick and then we'll do that. Okay. Uh
the minutes for the December 2nd, 2025 city commission meeting have been sent to the commission for review and posted to the city's website. Does anyone have any corrections or change at this time? >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor by saying I >> I
>> Okay, the eyes have it. Motion approved. >> Um we move on to consent agenda. Items on the consent agenda are deemed routine and non-controversial. The action proposed is stated for each item. Unless the city commissioner removes an item from the consent agenda, no discussion
on individual items will occur and a single motion will approve all items. Does any member of the commission wish to pull any items from the consent agenda? >> Mr. Mayor, I'd like to pull item 7F. >> 7F move approval absent 7F. >> Second.
>> Okay. Well, I won't need you. Joyce then. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um staff is requesting that item 7F, the live local act, the live local act out opt out action be pulled from tonight's agenda.
The city is required to rely on the 2025 Shimberg Center Housing Studies annual report, which has not yet been released by that uh center. That report identifies whether the number of affordable and available rental units within the metropolitan statistical
area, which includes Orman Beach, exceeds the number of rental households. Without the finalized 2025 data, staff does not yet have the information required to support consideration of the out of the opt out act exemption. Boy,
that's tough to say tonight. staff has already initiated the required legal advertisement for this item which is scheduled to run on Sunday, December 21st. As a result, the commission will need to hold a special meeting between December 22nd and December 30th, and we
will need a majority to be there um to consider this item uh once the report is available. The city's final statutory requirement is to transmit the opt out decision no later than December 31st and staff will ensure that the commission is
properly scheduled to meet that deadline. So what we're asking for is um a special meeting sometime between December 22nd and December 30th. It won't be very long and we need a majority of the commission there in
order to do that. Joyce, um, just for a second here, we have a a motion in a second to approve the items that are already on the consent. So, we're I'm going to call a vote for that and then we're going to read the uh uh seven what is it? Uh, 7F and then we'll we'll do that vote as Okay. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> No, that's fine. All right. So, we have
a motion in second for every item except for F. Correct. Okay. With that said, city clerk, please call a vote. >> Commissioner Tolland, >> yes. Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Commissioner Deon, >> yes. Commissioner Brley, >> yes. >> Mayor Leslie, >> yes.
Mr. Mayor, um if I may comment on on on 7F, I think we uh we had the same report last year and it was about the same time frame. We had to have a special meeting last year. So, this is almost like a repeat of what we did last year. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just for formality reasons is why I'm trying to do it this way. Um so, um city clerk, if you can just read
7F. Resolution number 2025-2000, a resolution making a finding pursuant to section 196.1978 subsection 3 subsection O Florida statutes based upon the 2025 Shimberg
Center for Housing Studies annual report electing to not exempt certain properties located within the city of Orman Beach from ad valorum taxation under the live local act subject to that finding providing for the preservation of existing exemptions authorizing the
execution of all documents incidental thereto and setting forth an effective date. This is resolution number 2025-00 read by title only. >> Okay. And for the record here like we just discussed the city manager that we had to pull this item um because we didn't publicly notice it enough time.
>> Right. >> First of all information >> we did not get the report. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Report. Okay. Okay. I thought it was uh we didn't have enough time to publicly notice it. >> No. So, it has to be properly noticed, but we also the the holdup was the report. We haven't gotten that report. >> Okay. Mr. Mayor, I'll move to table the item.
>> Okay. Second. >> Okay. And a comment. Go ahead. >> I will not be in town for any of those dates. So, hopefully you still get majority, but I will not be in town for any of those. >> Okay. That's noted. And Kristen Dean will not be in town. >> What dates are do you want? So, we're
looking at anything >> the 29th through the 31st. >> 20 22nd through the 24th. >> I'm available any of them. >> I'm available. >> I I'll be available too >> through through the
>> 23rd. Oh, >> we have those all those. So we have all we have every date available through the 31st but you know the sooner we do it the better off because we have to transmit that to Valuchia County. >> Okay. So let's decide that right now. Then I'll avail myself to all those
dates. I can be here. Okay. Uh run those dates by me again. So, it's the 22nd, the 23rd, um 24th is a holiday, 25th is a holiday, the 26th, the 29th, the 30th, and I don't think we could push it to
the 31st cuz it's we have to transfer it to Let's start with 22nd then. Anybody available 22nd? That's Monday. >> We're going to be >> Okay. Uh noon. Is that good? >> Morning. We >> do it first thing in the morning. Get it done. >> 9:00. Can we do 9:00 in the morning? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um I I'm sorry. I have magistrate. >> Well, you need to have I have the advertising. I don't have enough time for it. >> We're going to be advertising on Sunday. >> Monday. >> Yes. >> Yes, actually.
>> Um is that enough time, Susan? If we advertise, we'll send the advertising. >> Yeah. I'm just looking at that, too. I'm like, uh one day. >> We We can send the ad in tomorrow and it can air on Sunday, right, Susan? >> It will run on Sunday if I send it in tomorrow. Should we do a Tuesday to be
safe? >> Whatever you want is fine. Whatever you want. >> You tell us. I mean, if we just want to be compliant here. >> Uh, we have a magistrate hearing at 10:00 a.m. on on Monday. So, if we could do Tuesday, that might be better. >> Okay. >> Tuesday 9:00 a.m. All right. Got some
nods here. >> Okay. >> Tuesday 9:00 a.m. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> I don't need a motion break. >> Okay. Thank you so much. And nothing further. >> Do we uh and um Margaret, do we need to
vote on that or do we just table it? Okay. So, we're just going to table this and then Okay. All right. Does anybody want to uh comment on anything on the consent agenda? Deputy Mayor. >> Yes. I'd like to comment on my glasses.
I can't see. Um C and uh not C and D. I'm sorry. the airport E DN. This has been long coming. We got to get this done ASAP. These obstacles are not
safe. And I'm just wondering with staff, what is what's the timeline with this if um once this since this has been approved, >> do we have an idea? >> Right.
>> Okay. Okay. Uh, and my only comment is the quicker the sooner the better, obviously. >> Got it. Thanks. >> Anyone else? I'll just comment real quick on 7B. Um,
this is for the uh the lighting for the police vehicles. And uh I'm familiar with the equipment that's being used here. I just wanted to point out though that if we actually went to a fleet maintenance program, uh the lighting would be included with the vehicle. So, we could really save some money on that.
But that's just wanted to put that on record. Other than that though, we're going to move on uh to public hearings. Uh city clerk, please read the legal title 8A ordinance number 2025-37. Ordinance number 2025-37,
an ordinance of the city of Orman Beach, Florida, amending the comprehensive plan for the city of Orman Beach in its entirety pursuant to chapter 163, Florida statutes, rescending ordinance 2025-17, adopting comprehensive plan 2045, amendments based upon comments received
from Florida Commerce, including amendments to the plan administration, future land use element, transportation element, utilities element, conservation element, Coastal management element, housing element, recreation and open space element, capital improvements
element, intergovernmental coordination element, cultural and historical resources element, public schools facilities element, and property rights element, and all associated maps and figures, providing for the transmittal of copies of the amendments to the Florida Commerce, providing public
hearings, providing for severability, and setting forth an effective date. This is the second reading of ordinance number 2025-37 read by title only. >> Is there a motion for approval? >> So moved. Second. >> Um Steven Spreer, can you please come up
and speak on the item? >> Oh, you know what? I'm sorry. You know, it's a second reading. Do you guys need to hear him talk about anything? No. Okay. All right. Thank you, Steph. I'm sorry about that. I don't have any cards here. Um no questions by the commission. Okay. With that, city clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Deon. Yes. Commissioner
Brileley. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Toland, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sergeant, >> absent. Mayor Leslie, >> yes. >> Okay. City clerk, can you please read legal title 8B, ordinance number
2025-38. Ordinance number 2025-38, an ordinance amending chapter 1, general administration, article 3, definitions and acronyms. Section 1-22, definitions of terms and words of the city of Orman
Beach Land Development Code. In chapter 2, district and general regulations, article 4, conditional and special exception regulations, section 2-57, criteria for review of specific conditional and special exception of the city of Orman Beach land development
code to create definitions, establish procedures, and define a process for the review of reasonable accommodation requests for certified recovery residents pursuant to Florida statute section 397.487. 487 repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof
providing for severability and setting forth an effective date. This is second reading of ordinance number 2025-38 read by title only. >> Is there a motion for approval? >> So move second. >> Second. >> There's a second reading. Do you need Stephen to come up and say anything? No. Okay. I don't have any cards for it. Um
city clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Brileley? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Toland? >> No. Commissioner Sergeant? >> Yes. Commissioner Deon. >> Yes. Mayor Leslie. >> Yes. >> City clerk, please read the legal title
8C, ordinance number 20 2025-39. >> Ordinance number 2025-39, an ordinance amending paragraph C, official zoning map of section 2.01, 01 established of article one establishment of zoning districts and official zoning
map of chapter 2 district and general regulations of the city of Orman Beach land development code by amending the official zoning map to reszone one parcel of real property totaling 2.47 47 plus or minus acres located at 1561
North US Highway 1, Valuchia County, parcel number 3136-01-17-0010 from B-7 Highway tourist commercial to PBD planned business development, authorizing a revision of the official zoning map, repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof, and setting
forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-39 read by title only. >> Is there a motion for approval? >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Uh Stephen, can you please speak on the item? >> Now we're ready for you.
>> Good evening. Steven Spreaker, plan director with the city. This is uh these two items are interrelated. So this item and the next item, one is a zoning map amendment. The next one is the issuance of a development order. The property is located at 1561 North US Highway 1. It's
at the intersection of US Highway 1 in the entrance of the I95 on-ramp. The property today has a B7 highway tourist commercial uh zoning district. They are requesting to go to plan business development in order to establish the framework of the next item was the
issuance of development order. The planning board recommended approval of the zoning map amendment to plan business development. The property is 2.4 47 acres. Um they are seeking to construct a 13,451T building. It is a one-story building. It
is a redevelopment. If you recall, it was a former gas station on Wendy's restaurant. Um this site is in the brownfield program. They have an approved remediation plan that they are working with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. There are no wetlands on the site and the Florida Department of Transportation is uh
proposing a taking associated with the interchange uh renovations. So the plan business development seeks um three deviations or attributes. The first is the green belt buffer along US highway 1. A 36 ft buffer is required and a 60
ft buffer is required along I95. Based on the taking and the helport, they are requesting a smaller buffer width, but they are planting the same amount of plant material on the site. So, they're not reducing the volume of the plant material. They're adjusting to the width they have on the property. This is the
landscape plan that was part of your package. Uh, this deviation was approved by the planning board. The next one is site signage. Within this area, only monument signs are allowed. Maximum 8 ft of height. They are requesting a 12-oot sign at the intersection of US1 and I
forget the road there, but at the road there, they're they're doing a 12-oot sign. The planning board recommended approval stating that this was a unique use and the site identification was needed. The last deviation was the wall signage. They are allowed two wall signs totaling 146 ft. Uh they requesting five
wall signs totaling 472 ft. Again, based on the use, the need to get to different parts of the building quickly. The planning board recommended approval of that deviation. This is the elevations that were included in the packet. And the planning board recommended approval of the
overall project subject to the resolution of the outstanding site plan review comments comments. And the applicant is here to address the commission if there are any questions. Does >> anybody have any questions for Mr. Sper? >> No questions, just comments. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you.
Um, hello. >> Good evening. For the record, Jessica Gob Law Firm, One Daytona Boulevard in Daytona Beach, Florida. Um, I do have the slides that we use for planning board if we have questions and want to go into details on a few of the items. I just want to start by saying that this
site, as Stephen noted, was the former gas station Wendy's combo. Um, it is located at, as you all probably recall from hearing DOT discuss, one of the oldest operational interchanges of this design, um, in the state of Florida. Um, so thankfully they are coming through
and modifying that interchange as part of that. There is a taking of the property that kind of constrains landscaping placement on the site, but we're just packing it in a more dense manner as shown in the backup. Um, this site is enrolled in the Florida brownfield redevelopment program, not the EPA brownfield that I think we've
heard some public comments about this evening. Thank you, Stephen. Um, so the property owner has entered into a binding agreement with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to clean up some limited soil impacts that are there just from that former gas station use. So that will proceed with
the redevelopment of the site. Um, we're hoping this kickstarts kind of this US1 corridor redevelopment. the use itself, the emergency department, we noted this at planning board, the closest emergency department to this site is 14 minutes away in Daytona Beach or Palm Coast. So,
we think it's a a need in this community. If you look at travel distances, you know, I think I said minutes save lives in this context. Um, the modifications that we are requesting here are really limited to visibility of the site and that signage aspect um from the interstate and with the traveling
public to make sure they arrive and get the care that they need. Um that's a very high level overview. I'll note that at planning board we had an additional waiver relating to fencing. We did modify that to comply with the staff recommendation of raw iron fencing around that he helipad enclosure. And with that I'm here for any questions and
we do have Ben Shoemaker with Kimley Horn our civil engineer if you have questions as well. >> Um Commissioner Bileley. >> Thank you Mr. Mayor. The only thing I was just want to add is or just comment on is I believe the relief they're asking for for the type of use this is for that area. I think Miss Gal said it
absolutely correctly. It's about 14 minutes to the closest, you know, emergency facility um in that area. Um you know, you need to be and you of course 95 is very it's it it's it's it's in a tourist area and and our folks need to know people on the highway need to
know where they can go for for emergency services. So, uh I I think what they're asking for is very reasonable. >> I concur with you on that one. Uh Deputy Mayor, did you have a comment or >> I do. Thank you. Um, usually I'm a big stickler on buffers and green belts and
all of that, but with this use, it makes perfect sense with all the concessions that were made. And I want to applaud the um, planning board for for helping get this project to us so beautifully. And I want to thank Advent Hospital for
making a presence in an area where we need. The only the only thing I wish is that it could be even bigger. Um, and it's a beautiful example of a brownfield redevelopment. So, thank you, Jessica, and thank you to Advent for putting our
community first. >> Any other comments? >> Okay, no other questions. Merry Christmas. >> Merry Christmas. >> Okay, so I don't have any more cards. Any more discussion? Can the DS here? May approval. Second.
City clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Toland, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Commissioner Deon, >> yes. >> Commissioner Brley, >> yes. >> Mayor Leslie, >> yes. >> City clerk, can you please read legal title AD, Ordinance number 2025-40?
Ordinance number 2025-40, an ordinance authorizing the execution and issuance of a development order for a planned business development to be located at 1561 North US Highway 1 to be known as the Advent Health Offsite Emergency Department authorizing the
redevelopment of the property for a medical use, establishing conditions and expirations of approval and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-40 read by title only. Is there a motion for approval? Move >> approval. Second.
>> Do we need the uh plan director to come up again? I don't think so. Right. Okay. Any applicant? No. Okay. And I have no cards for audience remarks. Uh any discussion? No. City clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Commissioner Deon, >> yes. >> Commissioner Brileley, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Toland, >> yes. >> Mayor Leslie, >> yes. >> Okay. Move on to 8E. City clerk, please read the legal title. Ordinance number 2025-41. >> Ordinance number 2025-41, an ordinance amending chapter 1, general
administration, general administration, article 3, definitions and acronyms. Section 1-22, definition and terms and words of the city of Orman Beachland Development Code. In chapter 2, district and general regulations, article 3, general
regulation, section 2-50, accessory uses, subsection T, home occupations of the city of Orman Beach Land Development Code, to update the regulations for home occupations, based upon section 559.955, Florida statutes, repealing all
inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof, providing for severability, and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-41 read by title only. >> Motion for approval. >> Move approval. >> Second. >> Oh,
>> okay. You got it, Susan. Okay. Uh, uh, can we have Steven Sperger come up and speak on the item? Thank you. >> Good evening, Steven Spreaker. The purpose of this amendment is to align our land development code with a Florida statute. Uh the statute 559.5555
contains very specific um requirements of what you can and can't do regarding homebased businesses. Um and then if you violate it, you're you're liable for uh cost incur in including attorney's fees. Um so what we did is we amended the
definitions for homebased businesses. We deleted the existing section and then basically we realigned it with the with Florida statutes. Um, we require the the each uh homebased business has a business tax receipt as it does today. It expires at the end of the year. So,
they'd have to renew it yearly and then it can't be transferred. Um, there is a revocation clause if the business violates either land development code or Florida statute. The planning board did recommend approval of this uh land development code amendment and staff's available if there's any questions.
>> Anyone have any questions for Stephen? No. Thank you, Stephen. I do have a card here for an audience remark and I'd like to call up Connie Colby. >> Good evening. Connie Colby, 108 Robo Lane in Norman Beach. Um, the first time I saw this, I there are some parts of it
I'm not sure I understand, but the business parts of it, we live in a residential area and we have people who think that that's a good place to store their um lawn equipment for their businesses like big long trailers um in
their front yard, in their um driveways. And I don't know if that pertains to this at all, but residential areas should be protected from that kind of um environment. Um home occupation as well. I'm not sure
I understand that one either. Does that have anything to do with the number of people living in your house? Um, how many um sometimes we have a lot of people in homes where five kids and they've all got a car and they're parking all over their driveways, their front yards, and
every place else. Um, so I'm not sure I understand all of this, but if it has anything to do with those kind of situations, I think it needs to have a another look. Thank you. >> Stephen, can you just come up and
reiterate that? Thank you. >> So, this this land development code amendment and the state statute doesn't have anything to do with the number of people living in a unit. That's a separate um land development code ordinance regulation. Also, this
amendment doesn't affect the location of the outdoor storage. Our same rules today apply if if there are issues. It's a code enforcement issue that needs to be enforced. In essence, this amendment basically copies the Florida statute. It is um throughout the state of Florida.
Basically, the state is telling you what you can and can't regulate. Um so, I understand the concerns of Miss Colby. I'm happy to meet with her, but it this amendment doesn't affect those items she mentioned. >> I appreciate that. Thank you, Stephen. Any more questions for Stephen?
>> Okay. I hope that helped you a little bit. Uh we have a a motion and a second for approval. Um city clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Deon, yes. Commissioner Brileley, >> yes. Commissioner Toland, yes. Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Mayor Leslie,
>> yes. >> Okay, we'll move on to 8F. City clerk, please read legal title resolution number 2025-203. Resolution number 2025-203, a resolution authorizing the execution and issuance of a special exception for
outdoor activity and storage for Hall Road contractor storage located at 829 and 835 Hall Road located within the I-1 light industrial zoning district to allow outdoor storage and activity under
certain conditions, establishing conditions and expiration date of approval and setting forth an effective of date. This is resolution number 2025-203 read by title only. >> Is there a motion for approval? Move approval. >> Second. >> Uh Stephen, can you please speak on this
item? Thank you. >> Steven Spraer, planning director. This property is located at 829 839 835 Hall Road. It is an industrial uh land used and zoned property. The property was formerly um approved for an RV and boat
storage in the I1 zoning district. I RV and boat storage is an allowed use through the site plan review committee. Um they had proposed a concrete drive and then asphalt millings on the side. So um that that project went to construction. Um the contractor um
couldn't complete the improvements. They abandoned the project. So, um, this contractor has purchased the property with the goal of maintaining the same site plan. So, instead of the concrete on the drive, it's all asphalt millings. They're utilizing the same storm water
plan, same landscaping plan, but the use would change from RV and boat storage to contractor storage. Uh, one of the concerns was how would it look from whole road? Um, so they have um put vinyl fence along the frontage to screen the outdoor material. There'd be other
fencing to um screen the other sides and to provide security. Um there are conditions within a development order. U the 8 foot fence around the property. The storage can't exceed the height of the fence and the items stored are for um this contractor only. At the planning
board, there was some concerns expressed about the maintenance of the property. Um the property owner indicated that there was some dumping that was occurring. They've cleaned the site. Um they have not fenced it but they've put cameras on the site. Their intention is to move to construction as quickly as
possible. Believe the applicant is here. The planning board uh did recommend approval of the application. Staff's available for any questions. >> Um one question for you just going back to is saying that this is only allowed for the owner to use. So he can't subleasase out or anything like that. >> Correct. Only for this contractor for
his his use. And I believe in and at least talking to the applicant and hearing my planning board, he needs it for his his business. >> And the current allowed use right now is for boat and RV storage. >> The I1 would allow RVM boat storage as a permitted use. So he took that site plan
and made it um into his. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Uh Commissioner Sergeant, >> thank you. Did uh I know in the minutes um resident Arthur had a question about flooding. Was that resolved with with this plan? >> So this this project provides the storm
water required for this site. I believe Mr. Armstrong, I think he may still be here, his his focus was not only this property, but the larger Hall Road. Whole Road is going through a uh 38 386 grant. So that is working it through his process to try to identify some longer
broader storm water um goals. So that is going through a separate process. Any other questions for Steel? Deputy mayor. >> Um, piggybacking on what Commissioner Sergeant said, one of my notes I wanted to ask you is was the flooding because
Bear Creek backs up right there and we've heard over and over again the last few years about the flooding in Bear Creek. Um, the ditches that are on the sides of uh Hull Road. We know that's not a great road right now. Is there I don't know if whole road is city or
county but in the meantime is there any way we can look at these ditches and maybe clean them out a little bit um to help mitigate some of the potential flooding not from just this not from this project but generally speaking >> right and I think that's part of their
larger project the 386 they're trying to identify what the best solutions would be okay >> so I can't really speak to I know it's going through that process I believe they're almost at a point where they're trying to identify projects, but this project is separate of that that larger
issue and they're providing their own storm water, maintaining it on site. >> Is the uh is the pro is the property what's on the ground right now? Is it dirt or is it uh concrete? >> No, it it is um they started clearing
they had some um some piles of of dirt mounded and basically the grass. So, it's vacant site grass with some dirt on there. >> And what are they going on doing with the ground with this approval? They going to keep it, you know, >> they're they they'll level it out. They'll grade it per the approved site
plan and they'll dig the storm water pond and they'll they'll basically follow the approved site plan once um once if they get approval. >> So, if they if they put black top or concrete, is the water going to run off and go somewhere else to another property?
>> It's going to go in the No, it's going to go in that storm water system. So they have asphalt millings throughout the property, concrete apron, and basically the >> it goes into the to the storm water pond per per the approved storm water plan. >> Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Sper?
>> So that stormwater pond is on the north side of the south side of the property, Stephen. >> Correct. >> Just drive tension. >> Correct. >> What's your feelings on it? Well, I'm just Commissioner Sergeant has
>> Is there any land out there that we could purchase to maybe do more storm water with? Maybe 874 Hall Road. I know that's a location that maybe we could look into purchasing. >> Yeah, I think that's a a larger scope within this special exception. >> I'm just thinking down the road. I know
that's different than this, but just an idea. Stephen, how much you this driver attention he has um adequate? I guess I mean it wouldn't be you wouldn't be proposing to approve this if it wasn't adequate. >> Correct. So this again this this project
was previously approved by the site plan reviewview committee. I believe they got their St. John's uh 102 exemption. So it's already been approved once. They're coming back again utilizing the same design. So he's basically using the same. So, if this were RV and boat storage, the site plan review committee
would be reviewing approving it. Because it's not because he's doing outdoor storage, he's a special exception use versus a conditional use. So, yes, the site plan review committee has reviewed and determined that that is adequate storage for this use. >> Long water will be kept on site.
>> Yes, sir. >> Long as the water will be kept on site, that's music to my ears. to go somewhere else. >> Not gonna be too happy. But uh any other questions for Stephen? >> No. >> Okay. Thank you, Stephen. >> All right. We have a motion for approval and a second. With that, city clerk,
please call the vote. >> Commissioner Bryley, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tolland, >> yes. >> Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Commissioner Deon, >> yes. Mayor Leslie, >> yes. addresses.
>> City clerk, please read leg the legal title AJ resolution number 2025-204. >> Resolution number 2025-204, a resolution authorizing the execution issuance of a special exception for outdoor activity for Courtyard Fountain
Square located at 142 East Granada Boulevard within the B-4 central business zoning district to allow community market as an outdoor activity under certain conditions. Establishing conditions and expiration date of approval and setting forth an effective
date. This is resolution number 2025-204 read by title only. >> Is there a motion for approval? >> So move >> second. >> Stephen, can you just speak on the item? Thank you. >> Steven Breaker, plane director. This is a special exception. The property is in
the B4 zoning district. It's at 142 East Granada Boulevard. It is the Fountain Square. It is a very unique building and that it has two buildings with a central courtyard. The applicant is seeking to allow outdoor activity under our code.
That is a special exception requires them going through a public hearing through planning board and city commission. The applicant has provided a site plan of temporary tents on Sunday mornings um believe from 9 to 3 um under
a series of conditions. Um, basically it would allow a maximum of 10 pop-up tents. Um, it could only be the tenants of Fountain Square, so they can't bring it merchants in. Um, no cooking. Um, the project was reviewed by the Orman Main Street Design Committee. It was also
reviewed by planning board. Both entities recommended approval. The, uh, property owner and applicant are here to address the commission. If there are any questions, >> any questions for Stephen? Any questions for the applicant? >> Great. Thank you.
Um, I'll just say that this uh sounds like a really nice idea. Um, so I'm happy to behind it and support it. Um, with that, uh, city clerk, please call the vote. >> Commissioner Toland, >> definitely yes. >> Commissioner Sergeant, >> yes. >> Commissioner Deon, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Bryley, >> yes. >> Mayor Leslie, >> yes. >> I will now close the public hearings. We'll move on to reports, requests, suggestions, and tonight we'll start with the city manager, Joyce Shanahan.
>> Uh, thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. As you have done so earlier tonight, December 23rd, you'll have a special meeting on the live local opt out um option, and that's at 900 a.m. On January 13th, you have no regular
meeting, but you have a workshop on employee benefits RFP. On January 20th, you'll have a regular commission meeting. Uh please in please uh join me in congratulating our city clerk's department for their successful achievements. Susan Doris, our city
clerk, has received this has achieved the certification of master municipal clerk, MMC. That's quite an accomplishment. >> Wow. >> Woo. And if that weren't enough, um, Taylor Lockett, our assistant city clerk, has achieved the certification of
certified municipal clerk, CMC. Congratulations, Taylor. Currently, staff is working with Valuchia County Public Works and their resiliency department to complete the to complete the transform 386 study
projects. Uh, we have 386 study projects underway. Valuchia County has indicated a desire to do a transform 386 road show where the city and county staff could update you on the status of the and the results of the work that we've been doing together. Um we'll provide some
outlines and next steps on resolving problems. We are looking forward to coordinating a workshop on the in the future on this topic. So I think you'll find that very informative. Um parks and reccks department uh presents presented their 19th annual holidays. Oh, this is
a different one. Um, you had a wonderful Christmas parade. I'm sure we'll hear all about it tonight. Um, on the 19th annual holidays at the Casements is on Thursday, December 18th, starting at 6 p.m. with an open house. The evening activities continue with
dessert social at 6:30, following with a holiday concert featuring live music from Daytona Beach Concert Band. They're very good at 7 p.m. This event is free. Please call the casements for more information. and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have tonight. >> Anyone have any questions for city
manager? No. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, city attorney Oh, um, assistant city manager? >> No. Seeing none. No, city >> I'm sorry. I'm jumping ahead here.
>> I'll just jump right in here. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, Susan, do you have the photo up? Okay. Um, so later this week we are unveiling some improvements to our official city website. Um, visually this
is going to be what the new dashboard looks like. Um, it's all updated and the content we're continuing to work on. So that'll be a work in progress once this new look is unveiled. The content will continue to be updated with new um,
platforms and features for information, news and events. So please look forward to that. we hope um on Thursday. You can see that on our website. Um and to commemorate the holiday season, I thought I would close out with my very
favorite holiday movie quote. Um which is although it may not be newsworthy, if you look around, you will find that love actually is all around. Thank you. Good night. >> Thank you, Claire. um deputy city
attorney to say happy holidays. >> Happy holidays. Uh this evening and we'll begin with uh Commissioner Sergeant. >> Oh, wow. >> Thank you. >> What a meeting. Wow. 9:30. We'll be out
by or 8:30. We'll be out by 9:00 hopefully. um trees at the airport. I think great that they're all within the airport and for safety reasons as we have had as one speaker said several planes that have had to land elsewhere and it's just a
it's just a safety issue. I mean it has to get done. That airport's been there since the 50s and it's just something that has to be done. Um Amber Bob, thank you. It's always nice to hear and I know last time you spoke
about unity and it seems like unfortunately maybe there wasn't much unity after that meeting. Um I know I didn't have much um good said about me and the public after that meeting. That's okay. That's what we're up here for. It's kind of interesting. My wife went to a new
hairdresser today and during their meeting the lady asked her who her husband was and my wife said Travis Sergeant. She goes, "Oh, I've read all about him last week." So, it's kind of nice when my wife has to go get her haircut and hear about things, but that's something we signed up for. Um,
you know, there's that Helen Keller quote that says, "Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much. If we only could figure out how to work together and get rid of some of the decisiveness, imagine how great this community could
be, even better." So, I encourage everyone to maybe think that maybe be the the light in someone's darkness and and be careful what you put on the internet because you never know who you might hurt. And when you read about these kids, I heard something the other
day about these there's bots out there, fake people that are leading kids to suicide >> to do things. >> I mean, that is just absurd. I mean, and just the thought of it and
the the number of them is wow. It's it's very very sad. Um, we have an upcoming trip to Tallahassee. Um, and I look forward I know that there was an email where, you know, maybe there will have be individual meetings, but I know there's power in numbers and
that meeting with our delegation, with our lobbyist, Doug Bell, we get a lot accomplished. We've been able to bring home a lot to Orman Beach um throughout the the last few years. Um I think one year we got almost $10 million
we brought home. So I look forward to that. Um toilet to tap. I look forward to that conversation um further down the road. Um, as I said before, I don't think it's an immediate
um, alarm for our residents, but it's definitely something we need to look at. Definitely something that, you know, the 20 30 year mark uh, when you look at the reports and everything. And I think it's important when we do our workshop that we involved, you know, people that can
provide the hydraology reports and all the scientific data so that we can make informed decisions based on the facts. Um, yesterday I had a board meeting with the Orman Main Street and they voted to
send a letter to this commission. Um, and I'll just go ahead and talk about it now, but serious issues with speeding in our downtown and they really want to see more tickets being written because there is such a
serious issue with speeding. We have it on North Halifax. We have it now with the speed limit 30 m hour. Um I know on John Anderson we have a Valuchia County Sheriff Matt Selzer
who's written probably more tickets than you could imagine sitting in front of his house. people upwards of the speed of 70 m an hour in a 25. It's pretty alarming and that's an issue that's been going on for years. I talked
to a retired officer uh Bill Morgan who I went in the Marine Corps with his son. We were celebrating the Marine Corps birthday and I asked him about speeding in Norman. He said, "Travis, I used to sit on John Anderson and one day I wrote a mother, a father and their daughter a
ticket all in the same day." So, it's an issue that's ongoing, but I think that's something that we need to maybe get out in front of and and start writing more tickets. With that, I will say uh merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, and uh happy new year.
>> Thank you, Commissioner Deon. >> Thank you. Um I think it's safe to say everyone enjoyed the Clydesdale horses in the parade. I heard comments for days. If there's any way to keep that going, I think the community would love it. I know, Commissioner Tolland, you had a lot to do with that with uh
Daytona Beverages, if it's possible. I That was all I heard about for days. So, that was a gift from Daytona Beverages, particularly Chris and Kevin Bowler. >> They won a distribution. They're one of
the awards for the better distri distributors for the year. And that was what Budweiser Allowed or Anheiser Bush gave them. So if they continue to win the award every year, I'll be happy to put the request in. But um that was
actually all them and we were very very gracious to re be on the receiving end of that. >> I think it's encouraging. We should support that local business to ensure >> I think we should all say cheers. Um, I know I brought this up and we discussed this once before and SB80 came
into play, but I would like to follow up with planning on permitted proximity from underground gas tanks to private residences. I think it's important to put a policy into writing or at least attempt to. I understand it could be shot down due to Senate bills, but I say it's worth a try.
>> Anybody? >> Sure. >> I like it. >> I agree. >> Real good. And we got the nod over here from Oh, >> I think we have consensus. If we could please work on a policy for that. I we'd have to come up with a proximity that
everybody's comfortable with or a workshop at the minimum to get this moving, but um I think it's it's becoming more apparent that this is important. >> Stephen, you don't like this? >> Oh, I warned him. >> I don't care if it gets shot down. It's worth a try.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Okay, thank you. Um, Dr. Shapyra reached out about historical road signage as it related to the historic landmark preservation board. Beach Street was an important part of the Florida system of highways. Recently, the city's historic landmarks preservation board has
discussed the matter of placing a historic marker in Orman Beach along either south or North Beach Street to acknowledge the former path through the city of what was then the old Dixie Highway. the Historic Landmark Preservation Board would appreciate the opportunity to have a historic marker replaced on Be Street.
>> I guess I I told him that I would bring it to you guys and we could discuss what you guys would like to do. Um they've discussed it a few times now. >> Yeah, actually that was in my closing remarks, too. So, it's good that we bring this up. Um so, maybe we should just open up for discussion. What does everybody think about that? >> They're looking for a historic marker.
They're looking for more like a designated designation like a designated designated highway type sign. No, he specifically said a marker, a historic marker placed on Beach Street, >> but >> like at Old Kings. >> Yes. >> Right there by um >> the small state or the state farm that
sign >> like the the >> the one Yeah. like Well, so those a lot of those. So we I think the city put one up at the at the Indian mound. A lot of times the city the the state will provide those for those type of things. Maybe worth looking to the state for if they'll do something like that. But I don't have any problem doing something
like we did at the at the Indian mound. I think a marker is a cool idea, but also I just want to bring to you as a reminder, we are you all did approve and we will be looking at uh 56 North Beach Street, that little linear park, and
maybe something can be included in that. There's >> discussions of an educational piece kiosk kind of thing. >> Sure. >> So, that might be incorporated in that, but I think a marker, you know, would be fine as well. >> Okay. Okay. So, we have a consensus on that.
>> Sounds like it. >> Okay. We got a nod. >> We will let him know. Uh, with that, I hope everyone has a merry Christmas and a happy new year. >> Commissioner Brileley. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll be brief. Um, the the parade was uh well attended. I think everyone really enjoyed our Christmas parade and
having the Clydes was certainly a treat and uh we thank the Bowlers for that for that gift to Orman Beach. Um, I'll close with saying it's an honor and a pleasure to serve as your commissioner as we wrap up another year. And I wish each and every one of you very merry
Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy new year, and whatever you celebrate, happy holidays. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Bryley. Happy New Year to you, too. Um, Deputy Mayor Commissioner Toland. >> Thank you. Um, a request. Uh I have a
request a question and some comments request first. So we just had that workshop with FDOT and it was brought to my attention that we really did not discuss the the area from Wilmet to US1
where all the ball fields are. I don't know about you guys, but that's still an unsafe area too without medians. So, I'm wondering if you guys would be still good with it. Maybe staff can communicate with FDOT that they look
at that area as well for medians with breaks in it wherever they think that's appropriate. We didn't really discuss it. Is there a reason why >> I think that I >> I'm thinking of we do have some medians through there. >> Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. >> I'm also hesitant to add more raised medians. >> I think the medians end as you get
towards like Oaks. That's where they track. >> So there were but but did we see a plan or did I miss it? >> I saw the plan. >> It was all the way down. >> No more raised medians. We're good. >> There was no plan pres there was no
presentation in the plan and light. But in thinking about it, I think I don't think there's any proposed changes in that area. >> Yes. So I guess what I before we I mean we're moving forward but is this something
that we need to look at before the >> verify >> just verify because I don't want the same issue. None of us want the the outrage of the residents with a project that's not 100% vetted. So if that's okay with you guys, we'll verify and and
go. >> Okay. I can tell you I cross that road every day from my neighborhood where the ball field is on Nova and so I'll be watching it too because I can't return. >> Awesome. All right. The other the question I have is staff you you can
either Joyce, you can either talk about it now or another time, but what about all these FOY requests that we're hearing that aren't being fulfilled? Is there something that's going on that we're not fulfilling or can you c are you able to address that? It's I' I've
heard this a few times from different residents. >> Sometimes there are no documents that are produced. Susan, do you want to talk about that at all? >> Yeah, because Susan, you're the one that handles all the foyers, right? Okay. >> I do. some of the ones that have been brought up, they are paused pending
payment and if they're uh under statute, we are um permitted to charge for staff time um for anything that's beyond 15 minutes. So, some of the requests are extensive. So, we can also um suggest
that they can modify them to try to reduce that price or get it within the 15 minutes. Susan, is that something that your office offers people if they do have an extensive request that if you just shorten it up, we can maybe help you or is that just something that they have to ask for?
>> A little bit of both. If they if they ask us, you know, how can I reduce it, we will? >> Okay. >> And just for the record, we're not reducing it by just giving it to them for without the cost. We're just they're narrowing the
scope of the request. >> Yes. Yes. Of course. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um and then um wreaths across America. Mayor, you did a nice job with the proclamation. Thank you. Um it was a beautiful
present, uh presentation honoring all um of our servicemen and it all happens across the United States at the same time where wreaths are laid in um on all the servicemen's graves. Um I'm a member of the D and um as a city commissioner I
went to the um presentation and it was it was very touching. Um and then >> can I just say something real quick about that just uh for a second? Um I'll just say though that um as someone whose father was served in the service when you see like something like that happen
where the the wreath shows up that's happened when I was growing up as a kid and we'd go to the graveyard and we'd see the wreath and it really meant so much. Um, so I just wanted to just point that out that how much it means to families when when the uh the organizations are are doing these type of things.
>> Thank you. >> Yeah, you're welcome. It was a great effort. Um, so the last comment I want to make is just simply wow, what an amazing parade we had. I was probably on a Christmas
high for about 3 days. Um Christmas was in the air and and it was just really really beautiful to see a community come together and all the excitement. I mean you had I'm going to say elderly people
just being just happy to be there. Kids excited I mean to receive the candy uh to get the candy and just see all the floats. We had over a hundred entries. Um,
I cannot thank Parks and Recreation and the parade committee led by Brian Daly more than more than ever. It was just absolutely fabulous. And of course, we were very blessed to have uh the Clydes
and Kristen, I will certainly um push for Clydes every year if if they sell a lot of beer. Um it was it was just absolutely amazing and I I know that we like to celebrate um good things and I
was hoping that maybe we could find a way to say thank you to the bowlers um publicly andor maybe the parade committee and I if it's okay with Yeah, >> I was going to say a proclamation might be nice.
>> Yeah, a proclamation would be great. Um, and maybe we can do some something else as well. So maybe if staff can put their their minds together, maybe some kind of plaque, you know, where we I don't know, something just kind of immortalizes them a little longer if if they would come
back if that's okay with you. >> Um, >> I'm I'm okay with proclamation, too. So I'm okay with that. >> I'm sure you are. All right. So that's all I want to say is merry Christmas to everybody. Um, happy holidays, whatever
you celebrate. And I really love Amber's vibe, the the the unity, the sweetness. We all need that. Okay, we all need to just treat each others with respect and um appreciate what we have. And with
that, I'm going to say good night. >> Good night. Well, one of the things going last is that everyone gets to say the things I wanted to say. So, I won't repeat everything, but I'll echo everything from the Christmas parade. How great that was. I mean, fantastic. I mean, if
if Macy's is not like wondering what we're doing, I mean, I'd be shocked. Um, but a great event. I mean, it went on, you know, so long and I loved it. I wish it went on all night, but it was really a really nice event and staff and everyone who put this together did a
great job. The Clydesales, that was really a lot that was really nice to see the Clydesales. Um, the Reefs Across America, like I said, that was a really nice event to attend and, uh, the D that puts that together. Thank you very much for doing what you do. If any of you are listening
online, um, I will say that thank you for all the speakers that came out. I hope that some of the information was helpful. I know some of you will follow up with as well. Um I hope everyone has a happy holidays on whatever you celebrate Hanukkah,
Christmas. And uh hope you have a happy new year on to 2026. I can't believe it, right? 2025 just flew by. And so uh with that, I will join the meeting and I'll say we'll see you next year.