uh it is 7:00 p.m. and we will call the city of 
Ormond Beach City commission meeting to order it's   February 20th 2024 and I hope you felt welcomed 
when you came in tonight by Brian Rademacher and uh   he's our Economic Development Director and 
our IT manager Chuck Osteen they served as   greeters this evening they would have directed 
you to a card if you'd like to speak um you can   still grab one and uh fill out our recording 
secretary Taylor Lochert who's the first person   I'm going to introduce up here tonight she's the 
person to see for that uh next is our City Clerk   Susan Dauderis then we have Commissioner from Zone 
one Lori Tolland right hi everyone welcome zone   two Commissioner Travis Sargent good evening 
everyone welcome uh zone three Commissioner   Susan Persis good evening ladies and gentlemen and 
welcome our zone four Commissioner and Deputy City   Mayor Harold Briley good evening everyone and 
welcome City Manager Joyce Shanahan Assistant   City Manager Claire Whitley City Attorney Randy 
Hayes and then uh Police Chief Jesse Godfrey   and Fire Chief Howard Bailey for those of you 
listening online I'm Mayor Bill Partington and   uh tonight providing the invocation for us is 
Pastor Cord Bear from Tomoka Christian Church   if you would please silence your cell phones and 
rise for the invocation followed by the Pledge of Allegiance let's pray father what an honor it is 
to serve other people it is your heartbeat for us   as humans to serve us and to call us into service 
for other people so Lord today we pray first of   all a prayer of thanks for this wonderful City we 
call home and for those who have been trusted to   serve it at these positions and these levels Lord 
we pray that you would give them your strength and   your wisdom and your grace to lead as they make 
decisions for this community God would you use   them to provide exactly what your word tells 
us that is for protection for those of us who   live here uh we're thankful again for this uh 
group and again we pray your blessing upon all   that takes place tonight in Jesus name amen amen 
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America   and to the Republic for which it stands one nation 
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right at this time uh we'll ask Zach 
Chalifour from James Moore uh to come forward   and present our annual comprehensive financial 
report presentation for fiscal year 22-23 Zach   you're recognized all right good evening Zach 
Chalifour partner James Moore company uh so   we are here to review the annual audit for the 
September 30th 23 uh fiscal year uh as always   I like to start by thanking the commission uh 
as always for the opportunity to work with the   city uh big thanks as well to Kelly and Chris uh 
you your core Finance team for all of their hard   work you know it's we kind of Hit the same second 
meeting in February every year uh but it kind of   goes without saying that you're every year one 
of the first five or so municipalities that we   have the audit completed issued every year out of 
40 something that we work with so timeliness is   always a priority uh of your team and they always 
come through helping ensure that this report is   available um pretty much as early as possible 
based on all the external reports that have to be   um obtained to prepare this I did have a chance 
to meet with everyone to dive through it a little   bit more in depth so this will be very high level 
uh an overview um of everything first our reports   and then a little bit on the numbers um so these 
are Management's financial statements and there's   five reports that we issue related to that 
summarize the results of the audit uh the first is   the audit report on the financial statements where 
we did Issue an unmodified opinion which is the   best opinion we can issue stating that the city's 
financial statements are fairly presented in all   material respects uh this year we also performed 
a federal single audit looking at some of your   airport funding and we had no compliance uh 
focused findings there so a clean report on that   front uh while we do not audit the city's internal 
control if we come across any internal control   deficiencies in our financial statement audit we 
would disclose those to you in the the internal   control and compliance report uh we had no 
internal control or compliance matters to discuss   here and then the last two reports really are a 
series of items the state requires us to look at   report back to the state on also in there's a 
a section for any other notes recommendations   we did have one um small recommendation related 
to the budgetary process for your pension pass   through fund where the those funds basically come 
in go straight back out uh to the pension fund but   again those are not deficiencies or otherwise 
just areas that we observed and wanted to share   um thoughts and recommendations how to best handle 
those going forward um also for your CRAs we did   perform and issue separate audit reports over each 
CRA uh basically the same series of reports and no   findings were identified in either of those uh 
financial statements uh in total the the general   fund uh was about 13.6 million this year that 
of course is the primary operating fund of the   city uh relative to the prior year almost flat 
about a $15,000 uh increase which given the size   of the city's budget is a you know practically 
um you know flat year-over-year and looking at   the the fund balance really your two bottom line 
assigned and unassigned numbers that we kind of   consider your unrestricted reserves in the general 
fund relative to what you spent in the current   year about 42 million in change uh you're about 
22% um there's a recommendation out there from   the government Finance Officers Association that 
I always touch on that says in this measurement   you know a general purpose government should 
have a bare minimum of two months uh so you're   a little bit over that minimum recommendation 
and then your internal policy looks at just the   unassigned relative to your net budget with a 15% 
Baseline and you were also in compliance um with   that so from kind of a where you're at uh in a 
strong financial position you know continuing   to go into uh the current fiscal year and Beyond 
looking at your proprietary funds where you have   your water and sewer fund Solid Waste internal 
service here we generally focus on you know what   are the trends are the funds all in a positive 
um position the one item this year of course   uh that we see is solid waste uh about a $2.7 
million negative um net position that really   is a temporary um somewhat timing difference 
combined of primarily the FEMA activity so   all of the hurricane Nicole and Ian about 18 
months ago but at the start of fiscal year 23   all of those debris hauling costs were recorded in 
the solid waste fund based on timing differences   again because FEMA takes a long time to get those 
dollars hopefully we will see them in the current   fiscal year and once those come in that will 
offset a substantial portion of that the other   piece will be the general fund subsidy um just 
related to the overall increasing cost of solid   waste where that rate increase will really hit 
in fiscal year 24 and that did run a little bit   of an operating deficit in 23 that again that will 
get covered uh through a general fund transfer in   the current year and then lastly always touch on 
pensions uh because in the financial statements   you know you will see a net pension liability of 
about $32 million and I'd like to just touch on   that because that is not a the city will have 
to cut a check for this situation it's really   more of a transparency showing what that unfunded 
liability is but really where the city funds that   is by making your acquired contributions every 
year and with that you know always kind of making   the most appropriate decisions focused on the 
long-term Financial Health uh of your pension   plans which the commission has um you know done 
over all the years that I've worked with the city   and this trend just kind of shows these are 
Market values so when it comes to funding the   actuary recommends um contribution rates based off 
of a smooth approach so there's not as much of a   fluctuation but as you can see here from purely a 
market value perspective uh two of the plans over   80% One approaching 80% so all in all you know 
no concerns here that we see everything moving   on average in the right direction and again what's 
most important is all the required contributions   have been made and whenever there's a decision 
Point related to the pension plans that it is   made with the long-term view to say you know what 
will help ensure that these plans are sustainable   and affordable to the city um so those are uh 
the highlights I'd be more than glad to answer   any questions or dive into anything a little bit 
more in depth any questions for Zach I don't have   any good report just great thank you Zach great 
job no questions and uh you can grab a seat and   we'll have a couple comments starting with you 
okay to start with Deputy Mayor Briley and then   we'll go to Commissioner Sargent Mr Mayor I Just 
Want to Thank You Mr Mayor I just want to uh thank   our our our finance folks um Kelly and Chris and 
Zach with James Moore this was a great report and   you all do fantastic work and we appreciate you 
thank you very much Commissioner Sargent thank   you Mr Mayor and I echoed those uh comments from 
Deputy Mayor Briley I also would like to add a   little something on the airport um you know year 
after year it's operating at a negative which I   know is the way it's always been um now we're 
at over uh negative a million plus we have an   an Aviation Advisory Board that's purposes to 
advise the City Commission on Aviation policies   related to the development and operations of the 
municipal um airport this board when I went back   and looked at its minutes and meeting times in 
in 2022 it only met two times 2021 three times   and then 2019 and 2020 it met four times I think 
it's imperative that we um that this board start   meeting more regularly and figure out a plan as 
to how to reduce this million-- dollar deficit and   maybe we can have a workshop to kick it off to um 
um see what ideas we can throw around to maybe um   reduce that number from the million down so that's 
just my comment Mr Mayor thank you thank you   Commissioner Persis yeah I just want to thank Zach 
for a great presentation and for meeting with all   of us and explaining everything so well you did 
a great job and Kelly and Chris you're amazing as   always thank you so much Commissioner Tolland of course 
I don't want to be left out on this train here and   I do want to um I just appreciate the excellent 
report number one I mean the work is done behind   the scenes with Kelly and Chris and of course Zach 
puts together a nice presentation and and um he   even allowed me to have my eyes glaze over a little 
bit when he was going through some numbers but I   do appreciate it and um I appreciate the fact that 
the work is done well and um that we do stay very   lean and tight perfect yep and I'll just say the 
uh transparency aspect of it is wonderful anybody   can get a copy of this report Zach will sit down 
with anybody and talk to them for a reasonable   amount of time and then Kelly as well is happy to 
go through it with them um but very transparent   you guys uh work so hard on so many levels of the 
budget and through the finance department to make   sure that everything is where it's supposed to 
be and accounted for and year after year we win   uh our accounting department wins awards for 
uh doing excellent governmental accounting so   thank you all for that we appreciate it and uh 
it gives our residents a strong sense that uh   everything is in order they can come look at it at 
any time and uh you can't really ask for anything   more than that so with that we'll move on to 
audience remarks and tonight we start with Elaine Davis good evening good evening my name is elain 
Davis and I live in the Ormond Terrace area right   here and we have um a group of people that have 
gotten together and we have formed a little   organization called the Ormond Terrace Neighbors 
and our goal is to clean up our neighborhood so   we're looking for a little help from you guys 
uh and from code enforcement um we're trying to   eliminate the neighbor to neighbor conflict 
if somebody calls them a complaint because   state law says now you have to give that person 
the name and number of the person who made the   complaint so we're kind of hoping if we do it as 
an organization and a group there's nobody to beat   up um so we have included in the packet I gave you 
this evening some photos of our concerns um seems   like one out of every maybe 15 homes everybody's 
parking on their front lawn some homes have five   and six cars on the front lawn there's trailers 
there's boats this is a beautiful city we need to   keep it that way um we do have one major concern 
and that is at the corner of um Putnam and Macintosh   there is a house there in such disarray that 
I don't even know that there's anybody living   there but the screen enclosure that's surrounds 
the swimming pool that is filled to the top half   of it's missing I went out there myself 6 months 
ago and put up some orange construction Vents and   it's gone somebody took it down um so that really 
needs to be looked at but um you know we're just   hoping as a group you guys can help us I know 
there's a little flyer that you guys have got   together um that sits on somebody's I think over 
at maybe it's Sean's um Department that has the   codes and you know where you can park when you 
can run your sprinklers when trash day is if maybe   that can be sent out um somehow maybe through 
utility billing or something you know to get   it out because maybe residents don't know they're 
not allowed to park on the front lawn um so we're   not looking to create problems we're looking 
to find solutions um so anything we can all do   to work together would be greatly appreciated 
and on a second note I wanted to thank Shawn   uh he got us our flashing speed limit signs on 
Melrose they were fabulous for two weeks and now   they're just ignored so we're back to asking to 
please get us our two speed humps that we asked   for um and the last letter attached there comes 
from 2021 when they originally told us we could   have them and it's been an uphill battle but um 
we've been patient um but maybe there flashing   speed signs could be put out on Ridgewood on 
both sides of Wilmette maybe um I know we just   had an incident there in the last couple of 
weeks her little kid got hit by a car um on   his bicycle so uh it would be greatly appreciated 
if we could light the flashes up down there and   get us some speed humps on Melrose we appreciate you 
guys thank you very much thank you next is Mark Simmons hi I'm Mark Simmons this is my son Ethan 
he's got a card up too so maybe we can combine   the time if we have to if not that's okay uh 
Simmons Aviation Services two weeks ago we had   Jerry came up here and spoke to you guys um 
about maybe allowing Banner operations back   into the city um so I wanted to meet you guys in 
person I was away uh in Key West for that day so   it's a meet and greet it's a family run business 
for 20 almost 25 years this is my son he started   off this big in a back of an airplane in six 
weeks and now he flies him and does banners   he's going to go corporate himself down the road 
um I think that some of this uh non banner flying   in the area may be due to the lack of education 
or understanding that it is a safe operation so   um I'm coming to invite any one of you guys with 
the permission of Steven uh to uh do a demo uh   come down to the airport see that it's a it's a 
safe effective way to utilize the airplane and   bring revenue to the city that runs a deficit 
for the airport but there should be other money   to come in because the more operations you have 
at the airport the more entitled you are to have   more money from the government depending on how 
many landings and takeoffs happen at your airport   so uh it could be a way to bring more money to 
the airport um the airport tour I think would   be important for any one of you guys uh my phone 
number and email is on that courtesy card and at   any time uh we can set something up you can see an 
airplane see what it involves we've been operating   out of the Flagler airport for the past decade um 
on and off we fly the Daytona 500 unfortunately we   didn't fly this year because of weather and it 
we've done it safely um relatively safe record   we have had Pilots that have done things that 
were inconsistent with the parameters of which   which we teach them but incidents do occur but 
there were nothing catastrophic happens to any   of them correct yeah um so what I'm trying to 
get at is we're more than willing to help you   learn more about what we're doing to make it safe 
for you to let us back into your environment you   blocked it in 1985 the regulations in '85 were 
basically don't ask don't tell fly an airplane   it doesn't really matter there is really not a 
lot of over site pulling banners at that point   and since then the regulations have changed become 
more restrictive and have to abide by rules and   uh training syllabuses and and the professional 
pilots that are here in in two weeks I may have   some of the pilots that are come from Embry 
Riddle that come from Embry Riddle and then   they fly for us for two seasons and now they're 
flying air buses for Frontier Airlines or Avilo and   they're going from our operation to Airlines so 
these are the kind of Pilots that we hire to be   part of our operation because it's a stepping 
stone in aviation to where they need to get   to so we're taking people in college bringing 
them in we also do can I use the other three   minutes he yes commission that's not our normal 
procedure but does anybody have a problem with   that he would have the three minutes so okay okay 
I'll take his three minutes then and so we also   have a a maintenance that we also do um so we 
can take uh apprentice type people that are in   the maintenance program at Riddle and bring them 
up to the airport and there's also a maintenance   shortage of mechanics so again at the airport if 
you start bringing in another FBO possibly that   will do maintenance and aircraft sales uh that's 
another way of bringing revenue into the airport   whether it be us bringing a maintenance person in 
and that person goes to work for the other person   that's at the airport it the more you bring in 
in the more likely you are to have more people   come in to generate money for the airport um 
and that's what I would suggest and would love   to have any one of you at any given time or a 
whole field trip come on down there we can do   it after work and it takes about 10 minutes to 
set up a banner uh we'll do a banner pick come   back around and drop it uh if anyone wants to sit 
down with me we can look at an airport environment   and I can show you a couple little poster stamp 
areas that we can operate on we've operated on as   uh complex airports as Panama City Beach a class 
Charlie airspace with air buses coming in and out   and we did that for several Spring Breaks without 
incident um I'm a Hands-On guy my son is Hands-On   he does maintenance with me he's uh a maintenance 
Apprentice as well as a pilot that's flying these   banners so if you guys have any questions I will 
share my last minute and 30 seconds if you have   any questions about what what I'm trying to 
do or what we can do to help you learn more   about what's going on I don't have any questions 
anyway Mr Mayor I just have a question that may be   appropriate for this gentleman or for staff um 
my mother used to work at the Ormond Beach airport   for the FBO back in the early 80s for uh Mr Hilton 
at Ormond Beach Aviation and they used to at that time   this is pre 80 this is pre 85 yeah my time 
82 83 84 there were banner planes operating at   the airport at that time there were and I'm 
just curious as to number one I you you said   there were different protocols now or things and 
I just I'm kind so I'm kind of curious number one   why that activity stopped our airport I believe 
there was an incident that there was somebody   that was operating an airplane a banner plane and 
something may have happened with the airplane into   a hanger something thereabouts Steven may be able 
to pull up some of the information on that I know   happened a long time ago I know that was before 
Steven's time with the city so but it you know it   was a long time ago the regulations have changed 
things have going on on uh much differently now   when we do banners one more thing about banners 
it'll what we're designed to do is take your   local businesses fly them in the sky outside the 
local area and bring more business to the city   that's what our intent is when we fly banners so 
we're actually trying to bring more business to   you from outside the geographic area but within 
the area that where we take off and land from   thank you absolutely I'm just I'm wondering 
if um at some point we could get a report from   Steven as to what Harold had just asked in the 
you know in the FAA I know they have some say in   this as well so maybe some education would be 
helpful to us we can give you a brief ration   uh permitted piece that falls under the grants 
that you guys get money for at the airport so it   falls under that program you have any questions 
call me at anytime thank you for your time Doyle Lewis good evening Commissioners Mr 
Mayor my name is Doyle Lewis I brought   a simple thing to you tonight how are youall 
doing doing good thank you this simple thing   has been going on for probably about two 
years in your city parks with the cooking grills I live by the ocean I've been there 30 
years lost my house back in 2010 in the big   crash of the construction world I love to cook 
now I ride a bicycle I live on it I just happen   to get a full-time job but the Ormond Beach Parks 
and Recreation has started to put up signs saying   the grills are only for charcoal I'm allergic to 
Charcoal I use the grills a lot especially once   a week to cook I'm just bringing this to your 
attention this way because I can't take off of   work I just happen to come by here tonight to 
explain this to you sounds like it's simple but   it's not it can get complicated really quick 
you got a person trying to enjoy a hot meal in   the recreation areas of the park areas the stores 
actually sell wood charcoal I bring my own wood in   sometimes I buy it but most of the time I get my 
own wood I have been harassed by City supervisors   in two to three Parks about cooking with wood I've 
had the cops called on me the cops actually look   at the sign and say we can't do nothing about it 
it's not Ormond Beach law I seen another person   about a month ago cooking with wood in the South 
Ormond Beach Ocean Park he was harassed by these   city worker that's there all day long because 
he had wood and with his Charcoal it was the first   time he tried it said it was against the law it's 
not there's a sign in the window by the uh water   fountain that says grills are for Charcoal but that's 
an harassment it's not law and the city workers   are pushing that on Ormond Beach residents because I 
moved here 30 years ago I go back and forth forth   between Flagler Beach Daytona Beach for school and 
work but Ormond Beach is where I moved to 30 years ago   thank you God Bless America thank you all right 
commission the uh minutes from the city commission   meeting of February 6 2024 have been sent to 
each of you for review also posted to the city's   website any additions deletions or corrections 
I move approval of the minutes of February 6   2024 for second moved and seconded all those in 
favor please say I I I oppose like sign and we   will show that those passed unanimously next up is 
the consent agenda commission anyone wish to pull   any item off of the consent agenda Commissioner 
Sargent I would like to pull F please anyone else I'll   just have comments after perfect Mr Mayor I'll move 
approval of the consent agenda minus F minus F I'm   sorry second perfect thank uh please call the vote 
Commissioner Tolland yes Commissioner Sargent yes   Commissioner Persis yes Commissioner Briley yes 
Mayor Partington yes 7f resolution number 2024-24   a resolution approving the application of Songbird 
Aviation LLC to provide services as a category 4   fix based operator at the Ormond Beach Municipal 
Airport establishing conditions of approval and   setting forth an effective date this is resolution 
number 2024-24 read by title only thank you uh don't   have any cards just need a motion and second for 
discussion second second and Commissioner Sargent   uh yes Mr Mayor so I'm all for moreFBOs out at 
the airport I think it's great um however when I   was reviewing this one the insurance document that 
was that I just got provided um the classification   for work on this insurance document is for 
warehouses it's not for airplane sales or   anything related to Aviation so I'm just kind 
of um hard to approve something when we don't   have an insurance document that's going to cover 
the operations that are going to be going on here   I don't know if we can give approve it with time 
for them to um you know 30 days to get the proper   insurance I don't want to hold anything up but I 
also just um I'm in the insurance field so when I   review this I have to take caution Commissioner 
would you thought like a conditional approval   correct with a time date a Time certain correct 
or I don't know if it'd be better just to continue   it but let's hear from staff on what they think 
is appropriate if I I don't doubt Commissioner   Sargent's Insurance knowledge but I don't know 
I don't know if anybody's here from song bird   Aviation no well we can surely check back with 
them if you don't mind a conditional approval   then we'll um get that forward and if we don't 
then we'll bring it back on on another agenda F   all right so I just need a well we've got a motion 
in a second I guess we just need a motion to amend   Randy I don't know if you have any particular 
language you like for a conditional approval   but I think excuse me I think perhaps just a 
motion um to prove conditioned on satisfact on   on the production of satisfactory evidence that 
the insurance meets the requirements of the code   and then the city manager staff can bring back 
a report to you at the next meeting um that um   um will explain uh whether or not it meets the 
requirements or not so if it doesn't then by the   condition it won't be approved if it does meet it 
then by the condition it will be approved is that   work everybody y okay that's good think any state 
my motion precisely second it precisely uh please   call the vote on the amendment to the motion 
Commissioner Sargent yes Commissioner Persis   yes Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes 
Mayor Partington yes and now uh please call the   vote on the motion as amended Commissioner Persis 
yes Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes   Commissioner Sargent yes Mayor Partington yes 
so that's 7f with a conditional approval and   uh Commissioner Tolland I think you were first as 
far as comments go on the consent agenda correct   um on consent agenda J I just wanted to make the 
comment that um I'm really glad we're doing this   feasibility study for pedestrian safety on the 
Granada Bridge um I you know I know studies take   time and but I also do know that the um the plan 
to improve Granada is taking time I just hope the   timing works together you know and that we have 
the study done and we can kind of try to make a   a seamless transition when we do start um making 
those changes on Granada that's all great thank   you yeah it would be wonderful to take care of it 
all at one time while the construction's happening   so I agree with you it would make Common Sense 
thank you anyone else I was she was she kind   covered it yeah she covered it I don't want to 
be redundant Commissioner Sargent I'd like to   talk about h um we're finally getting the audio 
and video updated in the chambers I mean this   was something I was one of my campaign issues and 
I'm just very thankful that our residents will be   able to sit at home and hear us and unfortunately 
see us um but I think this will one more step to   transparency enhancing transparency um with 
our residents and um as it'll transpire to   the new website that we'll be getting um I think 
everything just with technology enhancing is going   to be great for more transparency so with that 
thank you absolutely anyone else if not we'll move   to public hearings I'll open the public hearings 
and we'll start uh with 8A resolution number 2024-28 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH, FLORIDA APPROVING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE “BRADFORD PARK” TOWNHOUSE SUBDIVISION; ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS AND EXPIRATION DATE OF APPROVAL; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  this is resolution number 2024-28 read by title only. Good evening Commissioners and Mayor. My name is Sarah Cushing with the Planning Department. This is an application for a preliminary plat for 180 lots on aproximately 24.29 acres.the project has 
under undergone several different   actions including land use and Zoning as 
well as annexation and several right away Vacations so on the screen you'll see the land 
use and Zoning Maps the map on the left shows   that there's a medium density residential land 
use and a zoning of the R4 both of which allow   for townhouse developments the Broadford Park 
development has approximately 7.22 gross units per   acre and it is a conditional use of the zoning the 
townhouse development meets all of those criteria   the it's important to note that a traffic study 
has also been completed for this project it's been   reviewed and approved by a third party that was 
hired by the city uh Additionally the developer   will be responsible for building a public lift 
station as well as constructing Pennsylvania Avenue so this is the second of three portions to 
the subdivision process the first is the zoning   entitlements which are allowed by right under 
conditions in the R4 zoning District this as   we're discussing today is the preliminary plot 
which is essentially a technical review of the   construction plans to ensure its consistency 
with the zoning designation uh The Next Step   will be final plat which will eventually come 
before City commission when that application is   ready the preliminary plat was heard before the 
planning board in January of 2024 and received a   unanimous recommendation of approval and the 
applicant is present and in the audience if   you have any further questions thank you thank 
you Sarah nice job and any questions for Sarah   commission no any questions for the applicant 
good deal I don't have any cards uh just need   a motion approval resolution number second 
I think Travis got the motion in Susan's the   expert that's I'm just going to say second for 
all the all the ones coming up because I never   get a chance to say it all right you ready 
for us Susan yes okay please call the vote   Commissioner Briley yes Commissioner Tolland yes 
Commissioner Sargent yes Commissioner Persis   yes Mayor Partington yes 7B all right 8B or 
8B thank you resolution number 2024-29 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH, FLORIDA APPROVING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR “ FOUNTAIN VIEW, PHASE 1B”, SHOWN WITHIN PHASE 1 OF THE PLANTATION OAKS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT; ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS AND EXPIRATION DATE OF APPROVAL; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE. this is resolution number 2024-29 read by title only. you and again uh senior planner Sarah 
Cushing good evening um commissioner   and Commissioners and mayor my name again is 
Sarah Cushing senior planner with the city of   Ormond Beach uh the application we have before 
us today is for preliminary plat for 137 Lots   on approximately 77.9 one Acres it is part 
of phase one of the overall Plantation Oaks   plan residential development it's important to 
note that this project does have streets that   are all private it does a but interstate 
95 and it also connects to phase 1A which   is part of the plantation Oaks plan residential 
development there's several public or amenities   for the residents including dog walks Cabana and 
pickle ball courts so the map on the screen is   the overall development plan for the plan 
residential development and the top right   corner you'll see where phase 1B is located 
in relation to this overall development plan and then again this is the second step of 
three in terms of subdividing the land uh   the zoning was put in place with ordinance 
2022-16 and this application is a technical   review application uh which is preliminary 
plat construction plans to ensure that the   development is consistent with the zoning 
entitlements The Next Step will eventually   be to come before City commission with the final 
plat application at a later date and again the   applicant is in the audience and present if you 
have any further questions thank you thank you   Sarah uh any questions for the applicant 
or Sarah Commissioner Sargent did I hear   pickle ball this is the first project I think 
that is going to have pickle ball in it am I right I think it is good evening Parker Mitchburg 1729 Richwood Avenue 
good evening actually phase two my manufactured   home Community it has four pickle ball courts I 
play twice a week I love it not bad when you're   an old guy can't walk too well but you can play 
pickle ball cool thank you good Commissioner Persis no   Parker I just wanted to tell you I was really 
happy to see the pickle ball the Cabanas and   the dog walks I mean we all love our four 
four-legged furry family members and so I   think that's just a huge draw for people and you 
know your developments are always wonderful so I   just want to thank you for that you're welcome 
and we are getting ready to break ground on the   Fountain View 1A Clubhouse and pool so that's 
going to be built real soon that's awesome and   since Parker is up there I just wanted to 
uh talk about 8A that was the perfect place   a smart place for Town Home Community it's you 
know up to US1 95 and Plantation Oaks Boulevard   it's just the the perfect spot so thank you 
for thinking about that in your development   plan of where you're putting single family in 
townhomes give the credit to the developer Rick   Majeri um you know he was the one that kind of 
directed me to design the townhouse project but   you're right yeah uh you know right behind the 
racetrack um that's where you have the higher   density and close yes exactly closer to the road 
so if there's ever you know public transportation   it'll be easier there so I thought that was 
very smart so thank you thank you good deal   commissioner persus I just wanted to let you 
know I drove out there to day just to look at   everything and wow I hadn't been out in that 
area in a year two starting to come together   starting to come together we actually had seven 
closings of manufactured homes kind of have my   best month and um you see Dr Horton's in Phase 
One houses are coming out of the ground so going   to be a great income stream for the city water 
and sewer Revenue you know impact fees school   yeah traffic so pretty proud of it yeah thank 
you I second it I'm just throwing it out there   I think there's a motion I think it's it's up for 
you okay I move approval of resolution number 20 24-29 I second it awesome any further discussion 
please call the vote Commissioner Tolland yes   Commissioner Sargent yes Commissioner Persis 
yes Commissioner Briley yes Mayor Partington   yes and we will close the public hearings 
thank you Parker have a good evening and   move to reports suggestions and requests 
starting with city manager Joyce Shanahan   good evening all uh just a reminder that we have 
your next meeting on March 5th at 6 pm at Calvary   Christian Center and that is to discuss the 
Tomoka Oaks um item so uh that'll start at 6   PM I don't believe we have any other items on 
that agenda is that correct exuse small agenda   there are some items yeah some small there 
are some and a de demolition leaning okay   um over the last couple of weeks you all have 
been talking about some additional meetings   that you'd like to have and um we've kind of 
put those into three separate categories and   I would like to run some times and dates by you 
uh the first category being CIP updates and that   would be March 19th at 5:30 and we would discuss 
Cassen Park overnight docking at Cassen Park Andy   Romano and some miscellaneous projects does 
that sound okay to everybody I see shaking of   heads so is that just Cassen Park the overnight 
parking or Cassen Park the redesign it's all of   it okay thank you yes I'm good that's good 
um the second meeting would be April 2nd and   we would like to talk to you about the EOC and 56 
North Beach Street property perfect I'm good with that again it would be five be 5:30 to 7 good 
April 16th um is our um technology issue if   you will we want to talk to you about the 
technology upgrades for the City Commission   Chambers and then we'd also like to talk to 
you about the Riverbend property land use and the other thing that um I think I can 
do at a commission meeting is talk to you   about oh just I'll think about it as I'm going 
along I I'll think about that one I forgot um   oh it's the Historical Society building uh 
McDonald House McDonald House renaming so   that's what I want to talk to you about the 
Stout McDonald house so I want to bring that   another another Workshop you no I don't think 
it'll be a workshop but it would be an agenda   item okay uh any problems with that issue 
coming before you it's been before HLPB um   so they have a recommendation um Echo grants 
uh the echo Advisory Board met on February   16th um last Friday they came for their site 
visits uh both I and staff participated in   those we had two projects coming before the 
echo commission NOVA community Parks Fields   2 through five improvements our grant request 
was $216,000 with a match of $216,000 our Echo   score was 90.29 and uh we received funding for 
that uh the other project was the Ormond Beach   Sports Complex softball quad um installation 
of LED lighting uh the grant request was $456,479 the match was $456,480 for a total project of just under a 
million dollars and that Echo score was 88 was   88.71 um these projects ranked first and fourth 
in the nine projects that were submitted to Echo   and Echo will be recommended funding to the 
County Council so um Loretta Moisio who does   our grants uh does an excellent job and several 
of the Echo board members mentioned her by name   for all of her good work so Kelly please pass 
that on along to to um her uh some statistics   about the first step shelter from December 29 
2019 to 2024 they sheltered over 1,174 people   and served almost 250,000 meals um we we've been 
working on an electric charging station at the   rear of the parking lot um staff has been working 
with an agreement with FPL to place four charging   stations at City Hall the city is only required 
to commit to four spaces at City Hall for the   charging stations which been have been identified 
um in the back row where the Fleet staff parks   FPA FPL pays for all improvements and handles the 
cashiering and charging of the public for the Char   charging station so we're really excited to have 
that come on board uh we'll be bringing that to   you in March for commission approval uh this is 
the springtime and all of our uh Leisure Services   uh programs are starting if you're looking for 
co-ed volleyball registration starts outdoor yoga   starts on the 23rd Once Upon A Story Time very 
very popular um time at the casements our next   one is Tuesday February 27th it's free to 
attend but you have to call and register because   it's limited seating movies on the Halifax on 
Friday March 1st will be the Barbie movie and   I'm happy to answer any questions that you may 
have for me make sure you're here any questions   for the City Manager no thank you all right 
thank you Assistant City Manager Claire Whitley   one more update on Andy Romano beachfront Park you 
didn't mention that did you the stairs um we did   ask for a quote to put some temporary stairs 
and we should be receiving that this week so   we'll let you know a timeline and cost on that 
when we get it and just for some clarification   um the stairs on the East and the West Side can 
uh accommodate temporary attachments of stairs   because there's something to attach to the center 
stairs there's nothing for them to permanently   attached to so we'll have to wait for that as 
part of the big project but our our Prime Beach   season is opening up and we wanted to make sure 
that we had that available I've had a couple of   uh comments from the public and Mr Galloway gave 
me a call about some concerns that he had staff   went out and did a a walk through identified 
some areas where we thought we could make some   improvements especially along the um northern 
part of the park where the handicapped access   ramp is currently working with um Volusia County 
to smooth out some of that asphalt there and do   some better signing there so um I'm pleased that 
we're working on that thank you so much thank you Joyce did I Claire did you say nothing okay thank 
you I couldn't remember where we were she went uh   and City attorney Randy Hayes nothing for me 
thank you thank you sir all right and tonight   we start with Commissioner Sargent well like 
Commissioner Tolland and I wrote a lot of notes so try   to get through this all I'd like to start with 
an email that that I got forwarded to me from   Lewis Heaster um and it was sent to Chief Godfrey 
and I just would like to read a little bit of it   it just says uh dear Chief Godfrey I'm writing to 
extend my heartfelt gratitude for your unwavering   commitment and professionalism and ensuring the 
Safety and Security of our residents of Ormond   Beach Florida your leadership has been deeply 
appreciated specifically I wish to express my   thanks for your swift and decisive action taken 
by the Ormond Beach Police Department in response   to the permitted demonstration near the synagogue 
where my family and I worship while we understand   and respect the right of freedom of speech the 
potential security concern surrounding this type   of antisemitic gathering cannot be overlooked 
and it goes on just as to thanks um and it also   says thank you to Mayor Partington I think you saw 
this email as well um and I also would like to   you know there was an incident at um Temple Beth-el 
where the um button someone accidentally pressed a   button and um the police were there within I think 
it was 15 or 20 seconds if I remember correctly I   mean that is very impressive response time um 
I happen to be dropping something off my wife   and I walked in and saw everyone with rifles I was 
like oh wow it's interesting so I just would like   to say thank you Chief and mayor for yall support 
to um on this issue um let's start with some notes   here um um last week or two weeks ago I'm sorry 
um Ike Leary came before us and was pretty much in   tears um he does so much for our city he polices 
the boat ramps the docks fills the soap dishes   in the bathrooms when needed Cooks hot dogs for 
the fishing tournaments provides uh kids fishing   poles and so much more and I just would like to 
say thank you to um Mr Leary for everything that   he has done and I'm very thankful that we're going 
to have a workshop to discuss um finally getting   that uh Cassen Park redone um it's long overdue 
and I'm just thankful that that's on the um for   the workshop um I also would like to thank staff 
for cleaning up the Riverbend Golf Course parking   lot um I've already had phone calls of um how much 
better it looks out there I drove out there today   and it's come a long ways and I appreciate 
that um do we have a update on Bailey River   Bridge on the roof, it's still I know we approved that 
a couple months ago and it's still just thought   they started yesterday yesterday okay um thank 
you to Kelly and Chris for all you do I waited   till now to say it but thank you um and my last 
issue is I have a resident Miss Toro who lives   over by Osceola school um and I can get her email 
or her address I can provide to you Joyce but   I need help um the school board's not helping it's 
Schoolboard property um this issue's been going on   for over a year they they back these Portables up 
right next to her bedroom she can't even live in   her bedroom one of our Ormond Beach residents can't 
even live in her house because the AC units are   running 24/7 and yes they're under the decimal 
requirement but this resident can't even live   in her bedroom she's living in her living room 
because it's so horrible and Volusia County Schools   I've reached out to a few people and I'm getting 
no responses so I don't know what we can do um but   something needs to help I mean I just got off the 
phone with her as I was walking in here and she's   in almost in tears that nothing is getting done I 
mean they these things are backed up right to her   house something has got to get done with this and 
I can provide her um address uh privately please   and they're Port they're Portables their Portables 
backed up right to the house AC children I mean   are they being utilized right now they are but 
these these AC units are running 24/7 and I was   told Earl Johnson was going to do it now he's not 
with them and it's just one excuse after another   and we have a resident living in their living 
room because the noise is so horrible I mean   that that is just awful and she also has an issue 
with flooding because they graded another part of   it now her and her neighbor are flooding when 
it rains that's a separate issue I would like   to just focus on getting this resident to be able 
to live in sleep in their own bed and not have to   live in their living room because of something 
just I think absolutely ridiculous I'll say good   night thank you Mr Mayor thank you Commissioner 
Commissioner Persis yes thank you good evening   everyone um we had a the uh ribbon cutting for 
the Performing Arts Center uh last week it was   absolutely amazing to see how beautiful that area 
is now I mean I think it I don't know it was built   in 1990 89-90 something like that and I remember 
going there the first time back then and wow it   just looks even better I can't even imagine um 
you know the work put put that was put into it   and I just want to publicly thank Lucy Jackman 
I know she was the person spearheading this um   getting all of this done and it's just going to be 
amazing uh and I also reached out to Paul Hollow   and thanked him for the seats that he donated to 
um the center and they are really comfortable I   sat down in them I we we both sat down in them 
of Deputy Mayor Briley and I really didn't want to   get up it was just really nice but uh we're just 
very lucky to have this updated uh Performing Arts  Center in our city I'm just very excited about 
it and um I would like to make right now do   a um a shout out and the shout out is to you 
Mr Mayor um so I was attending the Historical   uh Society um event it was our annual meeting 
and our mayor actually received two Awards and   um one of them was let's see the um where did I 
have it have it written down let's see it right here let's see oh the Ames House Award and the 
Anderson Price Memorial award I wanted to get   those names correct but it was amazing um to hear 
what was said about our mayor and I so I took the   liberty of calling Bobby Coleman who presented 
the mayor with this award and she has known the   mayor and his family for many many years I guess 
since Mayor Partington was a very small child and so   she had she she gave me permission to read what 
she said she I asked her to come tonight and she   wasn't able to because I wanted her to read it but 
she said well you can just do it for me Susan so   I said okay I'm going to so this these are words 
for Bobby Coleman but I wanted I wanted all the   Commissioners and staff and the audience to hear 
about our mayor so she says the Anderson Price   award is given to a person whose cumulative 
participation and demonstrated leadership   strongly support the mission of the Ormond Beach 
Historical Society she says tonight I'm very   honored to present this award the Anderson Price 
Memorial award to our Mayor Bill Partington III   you see Bob and I have known the mayor since he 
was a teenager we watched a bright young teen   grow into a concerned and caring young adult and 
now leading a city and now leading a leading City   servant we've seen seen him energetically work in 
near 100° heat on mission trips and be an example   to our youth and befriend a fellow classmate when 
nobody else would a longtime member of our church   and an elder there he even married our youth 
director Lori Parker 27 years ago actually the   entire Partington family is special the father 
or true role model for his son Bill the mother   the sister wife and amazing three daughters 
and preparing for his career Bill or Billy P   as we still call him served as Florida Senate 
page for State Senator Ed Dunn and intern for   US Congressman Bill Chapel his political career 
includes City Commissioner for Zone 4 beginning in   2003 and first elected mayor in 2016 both without 
opposition and while helping and working with our   organization which is the Historical Society 
in his state of the city presentation in 2022   Bill said when I think about Ormond Beach I think 
about our Charming Coastline our vibrant downtown   and the faces of friends and neighbors who make 
this unique Oasis home in 2016 the founder of the   Historical Society Loupie Bert said no other city has 
what we have and she was right no other city has   Bill Partington so on behalf of all of us mayor 
Partington we congratulate you thank you thank you and that concludes my comments thank you thank 
you all right the Deputy Mayor stepped out and   uh we'll go to Commissioner Tolland that's hard 
to beat there congratulations Bill I I'm sorry   I missed that but well deserved um so I too um 
want to congratulate the friends of the PAC Mark   Schwarz and our champion our champion volunteer 
Lucy Jackman on a beautiful grand reopening of   the PAC and ribbon cutting and all the other 
activities it was a great weekend um I was able   to go to the first concert of Victor Wayne-Wright was 
my first Jazz and Blues concert and oh my gosh I   was blown away with the talent of the the band 
Train and Victor himself so I I definitely have   um a new um show goer um after that event in 
the PAC is just a gem the whole the whole event   was amazing um I do want to tag on to a couple 
comments that I heard today tonight and one is   what um Commissioner Sargent was saying about 
under utilizing the Airport Advisory Board I I   have been thinking as well about some of the 
Advisory Board since I did serve on Leisure   Services before and um you know we we were pretty 
consistent and meeting but there are quite a few   advisory boards that I feel like are um meetings 
are cancelled or they're underutilized and I think   what you know what we have to remember these 
boards are comprised of willing and interested   residents that want to serve the city and we as 
Commissioners nominate these individuals after   really careful consideration so it's not just you 
know they're very thoughtful advisory boards and   in an effort to improve our community engagement 
and our transparency and hear any valuable input   in city affairs I would really like to see our 
boards meet regularly just for the record they   only meet every other month they don't meet every 
month just so okay and that and that's fine but   I do see that some are canceled when we have 
those planning memos so you know I would like   to see them meet regularly that doesn't have to be 
monthly but start providing us some feedback on on   um any kind of issues or affairs of the city that 
they may see may they may benefit us whether it's   you know crazy ideas or whether it's hey we're 
doing great you know I think that would not be a   bad bad thing I do follow up with Leisure Services 
that's because that's where my heart was but some   of these other boards I have I don't really know 
what they're doing and what they're and all so   I just think for community engagement purposes 
maybe we as a Commission should ask them to make   a better attempt of meeting and reporting back to 
us well we can provide you with minutes of those   meetings okay because we take minutes of those 
meetings be sure to make sure you have copies   of those minutes perfect thank you I appreciate 
that um and also with the the neighborhood at the   Ormond Terrace you know I'm looking at some of 
these pictures I know Code Enforcement is always   struggles with our city there's always folks that 
don't abide by the rules I don't know what we can   do but I I would like to just kind of bring that 
you know up to the attention of the city's staff   like you saw tonight and if we could try to help 
those folks I would appreciate that and um that's   the end of my report so everybody good night thank 
you thank you and Deputy Mayor Briley thank you   Mr Mayor um I want to just echo the comments about 
Performing Arts Center I was there for the ribbon   cutting on I think it was Thursday fantastic 
facility uh Bomar Construction and those folks   all the folks in involved in construction just 
did a top-notch job and and thank you so much   to the Volusia County Council and the echo uh the board 
and the friends of the Performing Arts Center Lucy   Jackman they just did a fantastic job driving that 
that project forward and to to Paul Hollow for his   donation of the the seating there I mean that was 
a great uh donation to the city of Ormond Beach and   uh we have something we can I think we are very 
very proud of um I know one thing we discussed   excuse me discussed under uh Commissioner comments 
last meeting was the homeless issue and then the   homeless camp um I did speak with with Joyce I 
think was last week um apparently I did get a   phone call from a resident in Mallards Reach uh some 
of those folks were actually coming out of the the   homeless Camp over there on Center Street 
going into the subdivision and asking knocking   on people's doors and asking for for rides so 
um can I I'm sorry go ahead can I update you   on that so I did speak with the um HOA president 
there um as I may have told you we were waiting   for the property owner um to uh sign a notice of 
trespass so that we can post that and uh once we   I think we're still in the process of getting that 
from the the property owner and once that happens   then we'll post that property and um it'll be the 
property owners's responsibility to clean out that   site and uh I think the chief has spoken to the 
folks in Mallard's Reach so I think they're on   to there okay and and I guess just as a as a kind 
of a to piggyback on that I did see I think it was   today um the city of Deland City commission 
um is experiencing a homeless problem there as   well some of you may have seen it I'm not sure but 
they did pass an ordinance uh that prohibits any   sort of camping on any sort of city property 
or city sidewalk or anything like that so I'm   not sure if we have so um we met with Ann-Margaret 
yesterday to review um what our options are uh not   only Deland but there are other cities throughout 
uh Florida and we're looking to see what we can   do and we'll be bringing something back to you 
thank you Joyce um the only other thing I have   and I just kind of wondering if it's something we 
can kind of look down the road I don't know if we   need to a workshop on I don't want to Workshop 
you know things to death um but something that   just kind of came to my attention and and you look 
around I'd like to see if there's any way in the   future I don't know if there's any money in in the 
budget this year not for it but for recreational   facilities for children who have challenges or 
handicaps children who are limited I'm not sure   we have I know there's playground equipment out 
there for for for children that may have you know   some sort of physical uh limitations but I think 
that would be great if we could incorporate that   like in in Rainbow Park over at at NOVA community 
center or some of our other playgrounds we do have   that one playground the boundless that's 
heavily utilized the boundless playground   out of the airport um that's crazy busy with 
right I just and I know of that one I was just   wondering if there's any future possibilities 
for other locations because I know not all of   our residents can get out there yeah well we 
certainly can look at incorporating you know   more accessible equipment in all of our facilities 
Mr Mayor that's all have thank you thank you Deputy   Mayor and some of that may have been included in 
just the recently updated master plan as well so   can bring those bring those to us um I've got a 
few things tonight which is unusual but uh as far   as the airport Workshop Commissioner Sargent 
I didn't know was it primarily related to the   budget deficit that you were asking like a plan 
to fix help reduce that is that something that   staff could bring us a plan or do we do we need 
to work Workshop it with options or I don't see   any pro I mean it's a good it's more of a function 
of of grants that we receive and um our matching   share of those grants um I can bring you back a 
report on that if you like um but I'm not sure that I'm sorry I didn't hear that no I think that 
would be a good starting point but I asked him if   he wanted to start with that before we went 
right to a workshop well and it's the whole   commission's decision really sure and I I think 
that's a good starting point but I think we can   do more than just look at Grants and refund or 
fund I think there's other ways to make money   or to reduce or I just to utilize our Advisory 
Board in a in a better manner um and maybe it   starts with the commission doing a workshop to 
throw ideas around there of um different ideas out   there so I'm for starting there Mr Mayor okay the 
commission okay with that I think the airport's   you know a vital economic driver and we probably 
do need to look at what we can do to monetize that   a little more great are you okay with that Joyce 
yeah sure thing thank you thank you um and then   thank you Commissioner Persis for bringing up 
the Ormond Beach Historical Society the Colemans   are incredible people I've known them for right 
about 40 years now and they just a driving force   for positivity in the city so to be recognized 
uh by the historical society and honored by them   was very special the Ames house award I think I 
accepted that on behalf of the entire commission   and our and our staff and Randy that plaque is in 
my office uh but I felt like maybe it should go   at the Ames house would be the appropriate place 
to hang it if you can find a spot over there for   it but uh because essentially I think they were 
saying they were proud of how the city has worked   to maintain that and keep it up in its historic 
uh fashion so um thank you for that OBHS is doing   some amazing things the Historical Society uh 
they really have a great uh new approach and   some new programs it's exciting to see what 
they're doing I don't know if everybody got   the the flyer or not but we can make sure that 
we get it and then also the Ormond Memorial Art   museum is doing some amazing things too and they 
just sent out their flyer I think to all of us and   so that's always exciting to see we have uh some 
great organizations whether it's Main Street uh   those to the chamber uh who add so much value to 
the city uh by the work that they do the casement   Guild any of those any of those incredible groups 
of volunteers um the OB pack was fantastic all the   activities there were a bunch of them uh Victor 
Wayne Right and the Train they blew the doors off   the place or blew the roof off the place it was 
powerful performance and uh luckily you know we   just renovated the thing and made it brand new 
and then they came and blew the doors off of it   but luckily uh I think Robert made sure they built 
some resilience into it so we'll be we'll be fine   uh not only Robert uh with Joyce's leadership and 
Randy's help but Lucy Jackman is just incredible I   I've told folks I think the prior commission fell 
in love with her uh passion for that project and   we're so impressed with her and that's how she was 
able to drive it forward but uh Loretta Moisio did an   incredible job as far as the grants aspect of that 
Stephan Sibley I want to say was the original person   kind of assigned to the Performing Arts Center uh 
and so he's always watching in the background our   our uh staff takes such a personal interest 
and they take ownership of those things and   it's really wonderful to see when I was there at 
the open house on Sunday they were explaining to   people all the technical details of the the 
grade of the seats and the uh where the stage   is and just all the things that you wouldn't 
know unless you were a professional who who   paid attention to that stuff also Ruth Heran I 
think was originally involved in acquiring that   uh facility and so she should be remembered and 
honored honored as well wanted to make sure that   happened and Spyro Gyra is coming I don't know if 
it's March into of March or April tickets start at   50 bucks that's going to sell out quick I mean 
they're an incredible group they were here in   1993 for JazzFest and Linda Cole opened for them 
uh now Randy was Linda the secretary in the City   Attorney's office for a while okay I thought so 
um I don't know if she sings anymore but uh just   wanted to point out that Spyro Gyra is coming 
get your tickets quick if you want them um and   Deputy Mayor Briley you brought up the homeless 
issue and I was going to ask the commission if we   and maybe the report we'll wait for a report 
from staff as quickly as possible hopefully   but do a workshop on the compassionate homeless 
ordinance approach that Deland took there's three   separate ordinances that they pass that work in 
conjunction with each other we've been a part of   first step for years uh since the beginning and 
I don't really feel like we've gotten the value   out of it just because we haven't utilized it as 
much as we could but if we had these ordinances   in place uh one of them is sleeping on benches 
or in ways that block sidewalks uh one of them   is anti storage ordinance where you can't leave 
your stuff blocking areas um and then you know   I think the way that they work to enforce it is 
just to encourage compliance and encourage people   to get hooked up with services and that seems 
like a smart way to do it I I talked to the   Deland mayor I can't remember if it was yesterday 
or the day before he said the shelters support   it they've had no real push back on it obviously 
there's some concerns from the homeless community   but they believe once they start working it and 
enforcing it that they're hopeful that they can   gain compliance uh using the carrot and not 
having to use a stick of a punitive ordinance   and so if we could do something like that I just 
hear about it every week anymore and uh you know   there's violence there's unsanitary conditions and 
other harsh conditions health issues experienced   not only by the homeless people who live in these 
camps and if you've ever seen these camps they're   they're horrid uh if you've ever seen them cleaned 
up and the conditions that these uh people live   in it's it's beyond disgusting and all kinds of 
uh disease and other things that can that can be   created there uh but it affects the homeless and 
then it affects people who come into contact with   them and so if we can prevent that dangerous 
situation and those severe health conditions   I think it's a positive thing for us as a city 
and uh the land and other communities have done   things and so if staff can bring us the best of 
the best as far as options and a plan I think it's   past time that we I was just going to add on that 
um Faith organization might be a good resource to   reach out to as well they have a lot of different 
resources and that is one of their goals as well   is to help the homeless so if we do I agree I 
think it definitely needs to have a discussion   and I know we're having a lot of workshops but 
we've had a lot of things going on and um you   know we're here to to serve and I think I would 
be all in favor of it and maybe look at Faith as   well seeing unanimous head shaking and um I think 
a workshop may be worth it on this one as soon as   possible I know we're a little jammed up for the 
next month and a half but um I think it's time I   think our residents are ready for it and before 
something terrible happens I'd rather have a a   plan in place and everybody on the same page so 
all right um let's see I got an email about the   public access on the hotel property uh on Seminole 
Avenue on the beach side there we I think we   approved the hotel and the residences um and I 
my understanding was Cob Cole on behalf of the   developer is taking the project back through the 
process to remove the public access component and   they're saying that the county uh will accept 
fee simple ownership but they're not going to   maintain it and so their option or their solution 
is to just delete that requirement which didn't   sound good to me at all losing any kind of beach 
access sounded like a nonstarter it also sounded   like a bait and switch if you will uh because 
we approved that thinking that that beach access   was going to be there I almost I want to say I 
remember Deputy Mayor Briley specifically asking   about that but I can't say that for sure without 
looking back at the record but I wanted to see   what the rest of the commission uh thought what 
we should do whether uh the city should offer   to maintain it or if we should ask the county to 
pay to maintain it if they're going to accept it   but I just don't think our residents realize that 
a huge public access point for them is being taken   away potentially um maybe that word will get out 
there but I wanted to bring it up tonight and ask   Joyce to report back to us if she would on it so 
and then uh on February 8th I was emailed a letter   from Waste Pro uh and I'm concerned that we have 
an issue a a dispute a pay dispute with them uh   and I it's weird to me because we've never had 
an issue with Waste Pro I think we've been doing   things the same way with them for 10 years and 
now all of a sudden we owe them a million and   something dollars is their uh claim and I'm I'm 
concerned about that I don't know why it's going   going on I know our residents love Waste Pro 
and the service that they provide and that's   another one where I don't know if a workshop is 
appropriate from what I read in the report we   approved a payment of something and staff decided 
no we're not going to pay that even though the   City Manager had indicated that there were funds 
available for that and so that's concerning to   me if commission approves uh an amount how does 
staff then change that um but I'd like to get that   matter resolved and I don't know the the best way 
to do it um I'm also worried about the utility fee   component of that because that's an additional 
tax on our residents that's kind of hidden in   the solid waste bill and that's concerning to me 
uh I don't think our residents realize they're   paying not just the cost of the garbage pickup but 
they're paying a a tax or a fee whatever you want   to call it on top of that and that's troubling to 
me because I don't know if if people realize that   or not we talked about transparency earlier and I 
think that's an issue that we really need to focus   on as it was brought up as part of this entire 
letter and and looking at trying to break down   the costs so commission I don't know what your 
thought is on that but I'd like to get it like   to get it approve uh resolved the other so Joyce 
I don't know if that's a workshop issue or well   you know we have been working with Ann-Margaret Emery 
and the city attorney's office and I think we do   have a dispute over what the contract says and 
what they think the contract says so um Randy I   I think we can just uh I think staff needs a 
few more little bit more time to try to work   that out and if we can't get that worked out we
be happy to bring it back to you okay appreciate   that um and commission with that if there's 
nothing else we are adjourned thank you all very much