##VIDEO ID:m1KHcoqqE8k## uh 700 p.m. I'm going to call this meeting to order your greeters tonight were utilities manager 
Bob Preis and planning director Steven spraker starting from my far right your far left we   have recording secretary Taylor 
Lochert city clerk Susan Dauderis Zone one commissioner Deputy Mayor Lori 
Tolland good evening everyone and welcome   zone two commissioner Travis Sargent good 
evening welcome zone three commissioner   Kristen Deaton good evening everyone zone four 
commissioner Harold Briley good evening everyone   welcome city manager Joyce Shanahan assistant 
city manager Shawn Finley and Claire Whitley and   the audience here they are City attorney Randy 
Hayes and all the way to my far left and your   far right we have police chief Jesse Godfrey 
fire chief Howard Bailey and I'm Mayor Jason Leslie at this time I'm going to ask 
uh Pastor Mike Petrick to come up from   Harbor Baptist Church for the invocation 
uh followed by the Pledge of Allegiance let us pray Our Father we thank you so kindly 
for this interesting cool day here thankful   for it you're so thankful we're not north of 
you Lord we ask God please to have your hand   upon all the proceedings that goes on today 
on these this city business it's important   especially to those that have certain 
agendas that they need to have addressed   father I pray that all things that be done 
for your glory and your help God give wisdom   a clear understanding the everything that needs 
to be done and communicated today Lord we thank   you for each of these that are gathered we 
thank you Father for all their offices and   the things that they do for this uh this 
wonderful Community or we ask again that   you'd have your hand of proceedings upon it all 
and we give you praise in Jesus name amen amen I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of 
America and to the Republic for which it stands   one nation under God indivisible with liberty and 
justice for all thank you Pastor I something sure   um Mr Mayor I just want to say uh pastor Pastor 
Petrick before you leave just want to thank   you for the service you've given given to this 
Commission of the past for our invation pastor   petrick for the commission's uh information is 
uh uh relocating as of this Friday to Washington   State so we want to thank you for your time 
in this Ormond Beach and for your service thank you thank you commissioner Briley moving on to presentation 
and Proclamation section the   agenda this is a time we can acknowledge and 
celebrate individuals organizations and other   Community success or achievements 
within our wonderful city today we   have the presentation of the home for 
the holiday's parade Award winners at   this time I'd like to invite Mr Brian Daly
to come up to the front to present the awards thank you Mr Mayor she I just broke your 
micophone and thank you all for participating this   year in our 33rd annual home for the holidays 
parade I'd like to acknowledge our sponsors   really quickly if I could uh Gary Yeomans Ford you 
all rode in their vehicles crunch construction   realty Pros Ormond Main Street Hometown news money 
Pages Sr Perrott Zev Cohen and Associates launch   credit union Orlando and Sons repair center Abaco 
Windows Volusia Memorial Park and funeral homes the   uh committee would like to thank big thanks to 
the police department fire department and public   works for everything they did night of the parade 
and leading up to it we'd like to thank our judges   Kathy Morgan Gail Burgess Rebecca Na and Beth 
frame um and I'd like to thank our committee Brian   na Dane Rell Chris massabo Gina massabo Paul Mina 
Daryl Grabowski Sam dealy Becky Parker Sarah Deion   Carly Sher Holtz and Taylor dollar at again we'll 
thank our city advisers Stefan Sibley Robert Carolyn   Sonja Johnson and my personal favorite Sioban Daly 
and now we'll get on to the winners the fun part   um as we announce you you can you can stand and 
then we're going to go out into the uh Atrium   as always for pictures and presentations after 
we're done with ours then we're going to bring   Becky Parker up from Main Street to do the Reich 
Hundred Mark President's Cup so without further Ado we'll   start with our Walker division in third place 
valari's martial arts I think we had a couple here in second place Ormond Beach sand crabs no no here and and in first place Champion 
Elementary honey bears [Applause] in our Vehicle Division in 
third place we have Universal [Applause] Towing second place is Cory Dr 
[Applause] Pepper in first place these people   always have a blast Mid Florida Jeep [Applause] 
club now in the in the toughest division to   uh judge anymore everybody's gotten so 
good uh our floats division in the third   place Iron Horse Saloon hot Action Sports 
Wear United Rental that was an awesome float in second place Tomoka elementary 
[Applause] school and we we'll keep with   the theme of schools in first place s 
St Brendan's Catholic School [Applause] and and for years we always had a problem 
where how we were going to bring Santa Claus   in for the last few years we have a sponsor um 
that just makes it easy for us and they build   a float and boy do they build a float uh they 
win best of show this year and they're already   planning for next year they got a couple 
surprises a big hand for Abaco [Applause] windows so if we can get them to to head 
out to the at and we'll bring uh Becky   up and she can get present the Reich 
huntermark president cup for the best   business award Vanna White all right yes I'm 
just here to be and this year the award goes   to Cunningham air conditioning and heat I 
don't know if they're here tonight because   of the weather anybody here I hope that you 
look great anyway and thank thank you all at this time we'll hear from those of 
you who have signed a card to speak about   any item which is not on the printed agenda for 
this meeting as well as any items on the consent   agenda each person will be given 3 minutes 
um at this time I will call up mayor Nancy Miller good evening mayor Deputy Mayor 
and Commissioners thank you for having   me here this evening can you hear me okay 
does this go down yeah maybe put it down   can it bendes okay maybe step for you all right 
I'm sorry can you hear me okay all right great   okay so um I am Nancy Miller mayor of Daytona 
Beach shores I'm also president of Florida League   of Mayors and president of Volusia League of cities 
so I'm here this evening to congratulate you mayor   leslie you City Commissioner Deaton and you City 
travis Sargent commissioner for your election   congratulations on winning we're glad for you 
and very very happy to have you part of our   Volusia league of cities um also congratulations to 
you Deputy Mayor we're very very happy to have you   with us in our mayor's ranks I do want to talk 
about that mayor lesie and Deputy Mayor Tolland   attended one of our events last week a Florida 
League of Mayors event we were so happy to have   you there I hope you enjoy that and uh what we 
did at that event was my priority this year is   Florida um Mayors mean business so we had 
several businesses up in the era what I'm   trying to do is promote small businesses through 
our Chambers our businesses are a backbone of our   community so I wanted to set best practices how 
we can work with them together and both mayor   Leslie and Deputy Mayor tolland were there and 
I so appreciate it we will have other events   going forward so I'm hoping you can um attend 
those as well and on behalf of Volusia League of   cities I am thrilled to announce that uh deputy 
mayor tolland has been added to our Volusia league   of cities board of directors Lori I can't tell 
you how happy we're to have you we're looking   forward to her leadership on that committee moving 
it forward and I want to take this minute to thank   each and every one of you this is not an easy job 
thank you very much for stepping up representing   Ormond Beach but more importantly representing 
Volusia County and I'm looking forward to working   with each and every one of you thank you 
for your service we greatly appreciate you thank you mayor thank you for coming 
out here in this weather uh from Daytona   Beach Shores um next I'm going to call up 
uh Debbie Forester Debbie where you at you are all right I'm Debbie Kruck Forester commander 
in um founder Ormond strong uh Grassroots uh   veterans and military military veterans and 
first responder support group I'm here to   thank everybody um in the community for their 
time Talent treasury regarding our Clyde Elyse   and veterans nursing home event in our adopt a 
veterans program over 120 veterans were thrilled   to receive their Christmas stockings as a result 
of our community effort uh a little story when we   uh showed up there there were a lot of veterans in 
the uh Lobby and I brought my um Walky um speaker   and had uh Christmas carols playing in the lobby 
and then we all went around took us 3 hours to   give out all the stockings Etc and we came back 
3 hours later and they were all sitting there   listening to the Christmas carols again and I 
asked if they had a speaker there and they said no   so we all chipped in got them one so they got it 
before Christmas so our event was when the parade   was going on here but um it's cool so they got to 
listen that also I want to thank everybody um that   donated uh to our um North Carolina Caravan the 
veterans Caravan so this will be our last Caravan   up to North Carolina um we everybody donated so 
many things that we they needed and uh if you   didn't donate that's okay I would ask you to um 
donate to like project Hilo because they give   campers to the um people that don't have homes 
and everything up there and um so forth also um   I'd like to do a sister brag my brother was one 
of the 3,800 Law Enforcement Officers sworn in to   protect pres number 47 um I want to thank all 
law law enforcement officers and firefighters   um some of them most of them being military 
veterans themselves I just want you to know   our group Ormond strong um we're with you 
we'll fight for you and as long as we're   around your service and sacrifice will 
never ever be forgotten thank you Ormond   strong out thank you Debbie thank [Applause] 
you next I'm going to call up Patricia fanom hi I feel bad these two ladies gave you 
all these nice Praises I'm praising you   too but I'm asking for something so good 
evening my name is Patricia fanom and I   live in Bear Creek located on Airport Road in 
Ormond Beach Bear Creek is also next to what   used to be the Riverbend Golf Course as you know 
Riverbend has been closed since December of 2020   tonight I am asking you to please schedule a 
workshop to discuss this property since riverbend closed in 2012 the property has not been 
maintained it has actually become an eyesore   on Airport Road not only is it an eyesore Riverbend 
has become a danger to the Bear Creek community   homeless camps have been set up the people living 
in riverbend frequently trespass onto Bear Creek   they use our pools outdoor showers sleeping in 
clubhouses and use the restrooms they harass   and frighten homeowners at Night by shining 
flashlights into Windows a few months back a   dangerous fire occurred near one of the homeless 
camps this fire was directly behind a few Bear   Creek Homes fortunately no one was hurt others 
have turned Bear Creek into a dump people can   gain access on Airport Road and Hull Road items 
such as toilets boats and other various types   of junk have been discarded onto the property 
homeowners are also more than concerned about   the very high grass many fallen and dead trees 
we see this as a fire hazard in light of the fire   catastrophe that is occurring in California we are 
all more than fearful I understand that there are   many layers when planning the most appropriate 
use of property however you need to understand   that this property has become a fire safe and 
quality of life Hazard to the homeowners of Bear   Creek I'm asking you to please schedule a workshop 
sooner rather than later and put together a plan   to keep us safe during this Workshop discuss 
positive ways for the people of Ormond Beach to   use Riverbend again consider creating a nine-hole 
golf course or open a small restaurant and create   much needed quiet walking trails thank you very 
much for your time and thank you for all that you do thank thank you appreciate uh I'm 
going to call now uh Denise krisky W hello my name is Denise Krisky and uh I'm glad 
to meet you all I've written to maybe some of   you here several times on behalf of the Ormond 
beach tennis center and uh I'm not from this   area I'm actually from New York state but I'm 
here for usually three months out of the winter   time and when I come across the bridge over on 
Granada you see the beautiful casement building   and then you see the beautiful tennis center and 
you go down the whole road is absolutely gorgeous   you have a wonderful gem there in that Tennis 
Center if it wasn't for that Tennis Center I   would go down at Port St Lucy with my husband's 
family and be down there but I love the tennis   center they're so welcoming they make you 
feel like you're part of the family there   and I really appreciate your support for them as 
well well as Andy Romano Park which I also love   but I'm hoping that in the future that Trisha 
who is very much involved in there and Denise   also that you would give her both of them your 
support and helping them to continue with this   tennis Center otherwise my husband and I if had 
ever closed up God forbid we wouldn't even come   here anymore cuz then I wouldn't have anything 
to do but I love to play tennis so in that regard   you have a beautiful gem in that tennis center 
and you don't realize what a gem you have until   it's all of a sudden gone and then you can't 
get it back so my hope is is that you keep   supporting them help them to get the clay they 
need and get the courts fixed up the way they   should be and continue in a wonderful tradition 
that draws an awful lot of people here from all   over the country from Michigan Ohio New York 
and uh but it it's really good to meet you all   I've written like five letters to you on behalf 
of the tennis center so that's me thank you so   much for your time appreciate you all thank 
you [Applause] Denise next up Suzanne shyer hello I'm Suzanne Shyer I'm representing 
dream green Volusia on January 14th the Volusia   County Council held a special meeting to 
discuss the moratorium as everyone likely   knows no motion was made however something 
significant took place during the meeting   councilman Kent brought forward solutions 
to stopping flooding I'm asking for the city   of Ormond uh Beach to support and work with 
the county on the following which are coming   back to the council for discussion to stop 
building on Wetlands to clean the canals to   purchase low-lying homes that flooded 
from willing sellers working with the county to use county-owned land and not 
Volusia forever for storm water storage   where it's practical to work with the 
county concerning planning and storm   water for the future and how to repair it 
now and no bit no mitigation banking so I   ask you to review these issues as they 
pertain to Residents flooding growth   and interactions with the county in support 
of councilman Kent's proposal because these   were his proposals not my personal proposals 
as our elected officials and representatives   of Ormond Beach this city commission has the 
authority to send a letter of recommendation   and support our councilmen so thank you all 
for your consideration and for your time thank you uh Jennifer bright good evening I first would like to thank the 
city for their quick response and correcting their   error and removing the data downloads from the 
open finance transparency portal I look forward   to having the working links for the payroll data 
restored to the site as well second I would like   to suggest that the city When It prepares its 
agenda adds the expenditures and revenues if   if applicable like the county Volusia County 
currently does with their agendas currently to   find this information is necessary to go through 
the agenda packet which averages 1,600 Pages third   the Webster dictionary defines minutes as an 
official record of proceedings of a meeting the   city currently appears to be supplying a summary 
of the meetings and it's called the minutes if   we're going to use a summary we should call it as 
such the data can be found on your YouTube channel   that posts the city's live recordings where 
there is a closed catch and transcript of the   meetings I would like to thank my commissioner for 
informing me that my questions and concerns for   several agenda items on tonight's agenda will be 
addressed during this meeting as for my questions   and concerns regarding specific agenda items from 
January 7th council meeting I'm still waiting   for answers I look forward to council and staff 
speaking into the microphones as clearly as the   city clerk does when she reads the agenda titles 
this will ensure the folks in the back of the   chambers can hear what is being said during the 
entire course of the meeting thank you [Applause]   next up uh trishna Patel good evening everyone my name is 
trishna Patel and if you don't if you   don't know me uh many of you sitting here 
have put me as the Director of the Ormond   Beach Tennis Center um so I would like to 
leave you with a few statistics because um   I I thank the commission and the city for all 
of the work and the support uh for the much   needed restoration of the Ormond Beach Tennis 
Center um so in 2024 we served approximately   4 to 500 people each week and in that time frame 
we offered nine times more programming uh offering   clinics multiple times of the day every day 
of the week um uh we serve local and seasonal   players including vacationers as you heard from 
uh Denise she's just a representation of many   other people who choose Ormond Beach tennis Center 
over all of the other competition that is around   us uh we also offer an after school junior program 
which continues to grow at the Beachside location   and and over there we serve local area families 
all the way from Palm Coast to new Smyrna beach   um we currently house three competitive greater 
Volusia uh tennis teams and we also offer singles   competitive play 2025 this is projected to double 
our teams are projected to double um and for that   we thank you very much for your support so that 
we can offer safe playing conditions for visiting   teams and also our own communities um as it 
pertains to the next phase uh we have a fast   approaching deadline which uh I believe one of my 
colleagues uh Alicia has already uh spoken at the   commission and it's the racing and Rec Grant and 
that deadline is January 28th uh Barbara Kelly   from racing and Rec has provided us an example 
of a winning application uh which has already   been emailed and I would like to reiterate mine 
or Alicia's support to the grant coordinator if   there's anything we can do to meet that deadline 
that would just put more wind in our sails um as   we go through the restoration um and lastly um I 
would like to take a moment to recognize all the   folks that came out not only for me but for Ormond 
Beach tennis center today because they make my job   look very easy and I could not have done it 
without them so thank you thank you thank you  next up Becky Parker hello I'm Becky Parker I'm the executive 
director of Ormond Beach Main Street um I am here   to just announce a couple of fun dates coming 
up but I first want to um commend the planning   department and everybody who um worked on 
the comprehensive Plan update we attended   the presentation last week and I was thoroughly 
impressed by how much data had to be um presented   and gone through and surveys and um I think 
throughout the process they all did a great job of   in keeping us informed the website was beautiful 
and it makes it easy for me to share that with my   board members and community members um so it 
was that was a really big project and I just   just wanted to say great job um secondly we have 
Granada Grant Festival of the Arts coming up on   February um Saturday February 1st couple of things 
in February and we're going to be blocking off New   Britain Avenue and um just lining this street 
with artists and activities and um some kids   games and um food and it's just going to be 
a great great day it's become one of our most   anticipated events and lastly um on February 19th 
news Channel 6 will be coming to our district um   they've taken an interest in what we're doing at 
Main Street and within um the Main Street the the   Ormond Beach and um historic Ormond Beach and so 
they're going to broadcast live there um from 4:   to 7:00 here from Ormond Beach they're going 
to have their anchors and the sports guys and   weather guys and um so it's just going 
to be a fun uh afternoon from 4: to 7:   again at Grind is where they will be stationed but 
um they will be here in the weeks prior telling   stories of business owners and community members 
and um I'm just really proud of Ormond Beach and   I can't wait to see the light um shown on us 
a little more so that's it thank you thank you Becky um next up uh Barb Moore good evening Mr Mayor and City commission my 
name is Barb Moore and this is in reference   to Osceola elementary school um The Pavilion uh 
replacement project and um in January 2021 the   city commission the city city commission pressed 
Volusia County Schools uh not to close the the 65y   old school Osceola elementary yet it was closed 
in favor of um building a new elementary and   combining with ortona and then on October 13th uh 
two and a half years later a quote from the Ormond   Observer has this um and it says a school board 
member Ruben Colon said the decision to close   down Osceola came because the building's condition 
was no longer favorable and I can attest to that   and uh it led the school district to build a new 
school meaning ortona yet for school year 2023 and   24 Tomoka Elementary Administration teachers and 
students operated out of this school and currently   Osceola Elementary is occupied by Riverview Behavior 
Academy in alternate education school this is an   old school that was closed against Ormond Beach City 
residents and quoted as the building's condition   was no longer favorable yet we want to dump money 
into a project now this just doesn't make sense   um can you tell me what the cost is and uh or 
where I can find the accepting bid and I just   don't know why Volusia County Schools wouldn't be 
responsible for this project rather than the Ormond   Beach residents um it just doesn't make sense that 
we are footing the bill just help me to understand   that's all I just want to know why it's coming 
from us maybe that's common practice I don't know   but thank you and uh one other thing the agenda 
if there's any chance we can have that a week   in advance that really does help I know other 
cities do it and it gives us time where we can   reach out to City commissioners and ask especially 
if there's a holiday that's a short time for frame   from Friday to Tuesday okay thank you good evening 
thank you [Applause] Barb all right no more cards   for public comments we're going to move on to 
the approval of the minutes um the minutes of   the uh January 7 2025 commission meeting have 
been sent out to the commission for review and   posted the city's website does anyone have any 
corrections or changes move approval second okay all those in favor say I I I 
all those oppose okay the Ayes have it we're going to move over to seven now consent 
agenda um items on the consent agenda are deemed   routine and non-controversial the action proposed 
is stated for each item unless a City Commissioner   removes an item from the consent agenda no 
discussion on individual items will occur   and a single motion will approve all items is any 
member of the commission wish to pull any items from   the consent agenda I know you Joyce did but I'm 
not  I okay move approval absent 7g second   7 F excuse me oh okay we got make a correction on 
that then correction move approval 7 uh absent 7f second any other discussion on that no 
okay may I speak um so uh first of all   just to provide clarification the city is in 
partnership with um Volusia County schools for   some of the playground area you see including 
the Pavilion The Pavilion uh was damaged during   Hurricane Milton and has to be repaired um but 
in the meantime staff feels like we need more uh   information and there's some feedback coming 
from Volusia County Schools so we still have   plenty of time to qualify for Hurricane funds so 
we ask this be pulled so we have some more time to   explore that okay thank you thank you we've 
approved item 7f yes you did no second okay   table I'm sorry table to table it move to 
table it 7F I'm sorry second we'll bring it   back at a future meeting okay did you get all 
that Susan yes okay was there a motion a second   to approve the consent there was was okay no 
vote yet okay uh call the Vote please commissioner   Tolland yes commissioner Sargent yes commissioner 
Deaton yes commissioner Briley yes mayor Leslie yes see any other items yeah comments on 
the consent agenda yeah yeah comments yeah I yes I'm sorry Deputy Mayor I'm looking at a card here 
sorry all right there's a couple comments I'd like   to make on a couple of the items um on consent 
Item B Florida League City's legislative platform   I just want to just reiterate that this whole 
platform supports home role it's an organization   that has a strong presence in Tallahassee and 
I'm pleased that our city participates in E I   want to thank Leisure Services for bringing the uh 
Tennis Center back to the commission for a vote to   resurface the clay courts um I know all of us 
were overwhelmed with the amount of emails and   uh Trishna, you really pulled them together well 
and it does make it does make a difference when   we do get a lot of emails but um I I appreciate 
that and thank you for leisure services for being   responsive for that and on P um I want to thank 
staff for rejecting the bid allowing the sidewalk   banding to restart and to reconsider another 
option that is less costly and still attractive   I was part of that Main Street board when they 
kept talking about it and we never could kind   get it off the ground due to supply and cost so 
sometimes you just have to take a step back and   and re-evaluate with open mind and idea so thank 
you to staff for that that's the end of my comment   thank you, commissioner Sargent I think we had a, 
card for um A for Connie Colby so yes do we need to   yeah uh Randy do we have to uh go back to public 
comment on that one which item is this first 7A 7A [Music] well item on sense agend 
typically get addressed by members   of the comment under the audience remarks 
you can certainly provide an opportunity   uh to um resident to to address it if 
you wish to go back and do that you can   do that okay we have a motion right now 
though so can I still do that with the   motion no you don't have so you don't have 
to vote again so you've already voted on it so the question early is if you at this 
juncture whether you want to go back and   allow the individual to speak to address what 
you voted on okay um we'll do that then you   have some discretion um in terms of whether 
you want to do that but it won't affect the   vote um unless you want to go unwind the vote 
and then come back and do it which you don't   necessarily okay all right so we'll just do that 
then I'll just allow the uh speaker to come up   and then after that we'll uh we'll uh move 
on so at this time can Connie Colby come up doesn't yeah well I'm not tall enough um 
Connie Colby 108 Robel Lane Ormond Beach   um once again an EOC and relocation of the 
police station is on the agenda tonight as   I understand it it is only to approve Phase One A 
needs assessment in 2019 such a study was done by   Zev Cohen for $30,000 he is listed as a partner 
with jl2 on this study it sounds like we need to   pay him twice or what happened to the last 
study the project has been denied Federal   funding twice and even transferring $557,000 
from the general fund there is um not enough   money there's no money for making this project 
a reality at this time wondering if growth is   actually making it uh pay for itself while there 
appears to be a need for an emergency Operation   Center consideration should be considering 
the location we hear that west of 95 away   from hurricanes and flooding would be a good 
place if they are west of 95 they will need to   come back under 95 to the beach area when there's 
an emergency they need to bring boats and their   other equipment here that puts them trying 
to go in the opposite direction of people  evacuating um wherever it is it would be nice to 
have a wing of the operation emergency Operation   Center as a place like a dormatory or relaxing 
place when there are emergency crews that need   to remain during emergencies um and I love the 
Ormond Police Department I don't have anything   against on it um as for the the um Ormond Beach 
Police Department that building as I understand   it is only 24 years old um hopefully we get more 
years out of building around here shouldn't have   to build a new building every 20 years if it's 
maintained the building is in the right place   and architecturally enhances the area the 
needs assessment does not require inclusion   of this building in the contract it probably 
needs work but the work has got to be less   than $50 million for a new building um many 
areas west of the city are gated community   I think they would be able to do well if they 
had a substation instead of a whole new police department um well my other thought was with 
this jl2 company they're out of Longwood and   probably a very good company um the contract has 
in it that they get reimbursed for meals travel   mileage tolls and parking if they're over 50 
miles when I checked today they were 51 miles away   um there were a lot of money numbers around 
there that I didn't understand and they seem   to be over the years from 2019 onward um 
I think the project probably needs to be   done but I think we need to study a 
little bit more thank you thank you Connie well thank you uh commissioner Sargent for 
that card I didn't see it there I have comments on   the consent okay go ahead commission Sargent 
thank you Mr Mayor um just to address a couple   items on the consent um as uh Miss Colby said 
item a for the police station the reason why we're   invested in this is you when we go to the state 
or federal we need to have shovel ready projects   otherwise they do not fund them if we have ideas 
out there ideas don't get funded we have to have   shovel ready projects which requires an investment 
from the city that is why we do do it in this   fashion and um so that's why I'm okay with moving 
forward with it and because we have to have it in   order to go to Tallahassee or go to DC to get um 
outside funding so our residents aren't paying um   floating the whole build out of just locally um 
move on to C which is the contract for um Ghyabi   Consulting and management and this is to combine 
two contracts for uh annual fee of $71,000 and   the amount of money that in the um resources that 
she provides her agency is we get quite a bang for   our buck on our return on investment I believe um 
her helping us with that the I95 US1 interchange   which by the way is the oldest interchange on 95 
it was built during the Eisenhower Administration   we're finally getting that reconstructed and 
moved up on the list of priorities from   Governor Desantis so once again you kind of 
have to invest in certain areas and have the   right people to help us guide us and consult us 
properly uh resolution I'll go with E the tennis   courts thank you trishna and and all the tennis 
players and the 50 plus emails that we received   um I think as you can see this commission has and 
always will support the tennis center it's a great   asset I know that during campaign season which 
is sometimes called Silly Season you heard you   know people putting out there do we want condos 
or tennis courts there's no condos going there   it's going to be a tennis court so um thank you 
and you know that's another great investment to   our community uh and there was some other items 
in that you know the website well that one's not   on there but the website we're getting an updated 
website that was part of the initiative initiative   with all the technology and everything I think 
the city is very transparent with what we have   out there with our financial data that we put 
out on the website are there going to be Kinks   yes servers go down links get broken thankfully 
we have good professionals that get those fixed   in a timely manner uh and there's some other 
items that I'm not going to address tonight um   I have emailed a resident back on these and and 
quite frankly uh Mr Mayor you know there's a lot   of people that want transparency but then send an 
email with blind copied people and I don't know   who I'm responding to and out of an abundance 
of caution because I don't want to violate the   Sunshine Law I'm not going to respond to those 
if you want to sit down and meet I'm happy to   sit down and meet but I'm not going to respond 
respond um to these emails not knowing who they're   going to I just think it's improper um thank you 
Mr Mayor thank you commissioner Sargent um any   other Commissioners like to discuss anything 
before we move on no okay so we're going to   move on to uh open the public hearings um city 
clerk can you uh read uh 8A please ordinance   ORDINANCE NO. 2025-03: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE II, ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT, SECTION 1-17, HISTORIC LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD, OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  
this is the second reading of ordinance number 2025-03 read by title only. I move approval, second any discussion um city clerk please 
call the vote commissioner Sargent yes   commissioner Deaton yes commissioner Briley 
yes commissioner Tolland yes mayor Leslie yes uh read uh 8B please City Clerk
ORDINANCE NO. 2025-04: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2, DISTRICT AND GENERAL REGULATIONS, ARTICLE II, DISTRICT REGULATIONS, SECTION 2-39, RESERVED, OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO PROVIDE REGULATORY GUIDANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AS PROVIDED IN FLORIDA STATUTES; REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  this is the second 
reading of ordinance number 20254 read by   title only move approval second any discussion 
city clerk please call the vote commissioner Deaton   yes commissioner Briley yes commissioner Tolland yes 
commissioner Sargent yes mayor Leslie yes it's a   long one here uh 8C uh city clerk please 
read the title ORDINANCE NO. 2025-08: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE II, ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT, SECTION 1-19, APPEALS; AMENDING CHAPTER 1, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE III, DEFINITIONS AND ACRONYMS, SECTION 1-22, DEFINITIONS OF TERMS AND WORDS; AMENDING CHAPTER 2, DISTRICT AND GENERAL REGULATIONS, ARTICLE II, DISTRICT REGULATIONS, SECTION 2-35, PRD, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SUBSECTION (H) RECREATIONAL FACILITIES; AMENDING CHAPTER 2, DISTRICT AND GENERAL REGULATIONS, ARTICLE VI, OVERLAY DISTRICTS, SECTION 2-73, GREENBELT AND GATEWAY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-03, TREE REMOVAL PROCESS; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-04, TREE PROTECTION AND  REPLACEMENT; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-05, LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION PLAN REQUIREMENTS; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-06, BUFFER AREA REQUIREMENTS; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-07, RESERVED, TO CREATE SECTION 3-07, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS LANDSCAPING; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, SECTION 3-08, MAINTENANCE OF PLANTINGS AND IRRIGATION SYSTEMS/ENFORCEMENT; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, BY REPEALING SECTION 3-09, LAND CLEARING, AND CREATING SECTION 3-09, TREE ABUSE; AMENDING CHAPTER 3, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, BY REPEALING SECTION 3-10, GRADING AND FILLING, AND CREATING SECTION 3-10, LAND ALTERATION PERMITS; AMENDING CHAPTER 3,  PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARTICLE I, LANDSCAPING, BY REPEALING SECTION 3-11, MINING AND EXCAVATION; AMENDING CHAPTER 4, PLAN REVIEW AND SUBDIVISION, ARTICLE I, SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCEDURES, SECTION 4-02, SITE PLAN APPROVAL REQUIRED; THRESHOLDS, AND AMENDING CHAPTER 4, PLAN REVIEW AND SUBDIVISION, ARTICLE I, SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCEDURES, SECTION 4-07, RESTRICTION ON RELEASE OF PERMITS OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO UPDATE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS; REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE. this is the first 
reading of ordinance number 2025-08 read by title only um Steven Spraker can 
you come up and speak on this item good evening Steven spraker planing 
director uh with me tonight we also have   Cara culiver who's our city landscape architect 
she is the individual who drafted um these code   revisions so um this item started with a 
discussion item in June of last year there   was Direction provided by a city commissioner to 
update the landscape standard starting in August   there was a draft made we had two informal 
meetings um in September and October we   got input from the community including design 
professionals experts in the field which then   led to um discussion items with our planning 
board and City commission that happened in   November and December in December we had a Land 
Development code Amendment presented to to the   planning board as you heard the city clerk um Reed 
there's 15 sections that are being updated and   again these are all to improve um the landscape 
standards and then tonight is the city commission meeting these are the the primary sections 
um we've created an appeal section for the   landscape architect we've mended definitions 
the the real key is the um Amendment including   um Native species of at least 50% um staff 
is recommending approval the planning board   recommend approval again Cara Culliver our city 
landscape architect is available if there are   any questions does anybody have any questions 
for Steven no all right thank you Steven I   do have two cards here um so for speakers 
the first one I'm going to call is Melissa Lamers good evening mayor Leslie deputy mayor 
Tolland and City commissioners' congratulations on   your elections and thank you for this opportunity 
to speak I'm Melissa lammer co-conservation chair   for Halifax River Autobahn we've been in continual 
operation in Ormond Beach for 102 years but I've   not been with them quite that long uh I have for 
years we have been working to educate members of   the community about the vital role Florida native 
plants play in the health of our ecosystem and   ultimately in our own health we were Partners 
in regrow the loop last year and this where   we met commissioner Tolland through our monthlong 
collaboration commissioner Tolland deepened her   understanding of the need for more natives in our 
Landscapes and brought forth the request for this   commission to consider a review of your landscape 
codes to require more Florida natives plants in a   variety of circumstances at that time I and others 
spoke to the commission to lend our support since   then we've worked with commissioner Tolland director 
Spraker Cara Culliver your landscape architect and   others to help draft the revised ordinance 
the planning board unanimously recommended   approval as you just heard and we hope that know 
it comes to your final vote you'll approve as well   um once again thank you to commissioner Tolland 
to the city staff and to all who've worked so   hard on the ordinance updates and to all of you 
for your community service thank you thank you Melissa uh next Suzanne Shyer hi it's Suzanne Shyer representing dream 
green Volusia in 2018 I stood before the planning   board and the city commission with concern of 
the car wash that is located next to the Wawa   gas station and one of the items that was 
requested at that time was 85% of native   plants for the new development and there was 
a consultation with Katie trip to come to that   conclusion and she was an expert then and is 
still an expert now so at the time Mrs Tolland  and Mrs Schall were on the planning board and they 
both paused when this was said out loud and you   may not remember that but it's true and they both 
said out loud looking at each other we should   probably do this with some inquisitive looks so 
back then no one knew that Mrs Tolland would be   now commissioner Tolland and Champion native 
plant changes and more to the comprehensive   plan so thank you and um I'm here in support of 
you voting for this thank you thank you Suzanne   at this time is uh is there a motion here for 
approval discussion okay go ahead just I maybe   more of a question Steven um with this 
[Music] um I continually get calls about what folks would consider dangerous trees or 
problematic trees trees that potentially um   are a hazard to structures particularly homes 
and um there was a case in my zone where a tree   was removed because the homeowner felt it was a 
danger to their home and they took the tree out   without a permit and once it was reported that the 
tree was taken out there were some you know it was   it was difficult for the homeowner to to come to 
some sort of agreement with the city I think they   finally did um I recently had another one um you 
know tow houses and zero lot lines where they're   taking out specimen trees because the tree poses 
a danger to the structure and yet we're requiring   them to put a a tree back in the exact place 
where or close by where the tree is coming out   seems somewhat silly to me because you're going to 
have the same problem in the future um how can we   address that in this ordinance to at least make 
it somewhat easier for our residents to be able   to to remove these hazardous trees without having 
to you know plant three trees in its place it just   seems ridiculous to me um if you're want to create 
a situation uh you know you're going to repeat   you're going to have a repeat situation you're 
going to plant another specimen tree where one   is you know 8 ft from the property or 8 ft from 
the building so so I'll take a stab and let Cara   culiver correct me wherever I go wrong so there 
is a State statue that allows dangerous trees to   be removed with a letter of an arborist so that 
is one path so if the homeowner didn't go under   that path they're required to mitigate for trees 
that are removed and that mitigation can be trees   not necessarily same species on the lot so every 
lot in the in the city of Ormond beach has a minimum   tree requirement so they can upssize those to 
to help mitigate there is some ability to pay   into a tree fund but in essence every lot has 
that requirement and there really isn't a way   to to wave that because that is the the character 
that makes Ormond Beach and then I let and again I'm   not I'm not obviously I'm not anti- tree sure I 
use the example of the tree in my house all the   time it's so 400y old oak 500y old oak that 
thing fell and crushed my house and you know   know I probably my wife would love for me to 
take it down tomorrow um I like the tree so   it's staying but you know um I just I I don't 
want I don't want I don't want government to   become a a a roadblock for our residents when 
they have these dangerous conditions um and   they feel like they can't take care of them the 
situation with the the the the the one where the   arbor was not contacted I think that's correct 
however and we need to let our residents know   because there I think there's a difference between 
an arborist and a tree surgeon absolutely because   he was informed by the tree surgeon it was a 
dangerous tree and he went on that person's advice   so maybe we need a little bit more education 
on that as well because I think if you know   the average resident if a tree surgeon tells him 
it's a dangerous tree they probably don't care   what an arbor says if the tree surgeon says it's 
a dangerous tree they're want to determine it's   a dangerous tree so absolutely anything else Cara Culliver City Landscape
architect if there's a tree that's um   threatening health safety and Welfare then we have 
a mechanism or a code that says that we can take   the tree down immediately um but you know uh uh 
myself or the arborist you know you will go out and   assess the tree and then if it needs to be taken 
down if if it is a health safety welfare issue   then we will let them take the tree down okay 
say one that poses imminent danger such as say   a healthy tree say the tree is healthy but you 
could obviously tell if the tree fell it would   destroy or damage which significantly damaged 
the property damaged the house um we've all seen   perfectly healthy trees come down in a hurricane 
and if people want to take proactive measures to   protect their property if the tree can be deemed 
by the city or whomever to be close enough to the   house uh or structure that is going to damage I 
think you know and then I guess the other question   becomes do we require those folks to replace 
trees for the ones being removed in that case   for a dangerous tree I mean a lot of the trees 
the the specimen trees the old age trees people   don't maintain them they don't take the dead wood 
out of the trees there a lot of dead Limbs and and   wood you know if that was maintained usually when 
storms that falls out and then people you know   they panic and they think something's wrong with 
the tree but yeah I'm more concerned about the   trees that uproot what's that I'm more about more 
concerned about trees that like they they uproot   when the whole tree comes down there's you know 
that's a little bit probably Beyond maintenance   m i mean it's you know this the tree will show 
signs of it's declining disease you know sometimes   in heavy storms or hurricane conditions yeah it 
topples I mean um yeah but um it's I don't um   sorry I lost my train of thought but um you know 
if a tree if a tree is close to a structure you   know you can certainly call you know myself or 
the arborist will come out and look at it it's   a healthy tree then we always require an arborist 
record so if the arborist 
record says you know the trees   has has to be a valid reason you know but so 
we that's why we always get an arborist 
record   on these old age trees specimen trees so if it's 
a valid reason and the arborist 
record says yes this   trees structurally uh declining it's it's it's a 
hazard to the home then we allow the tree to come   down and depending you know if sometimes there is 
mitigation required and sometimes there isn't we   have the mitigation specimen tree mitigation 
form that determines um you know know if if   we need to put mitigation back and our code we 
give credit for specimen Tree saved and then so   if you remove too many specimen trees then you're 
saving you're going to have to mitigate so it's   kind of on a property by property basis thank 
you okay any other questions commissioner Briley   commissioner Sargent I'll I'll make a a motion move 
approval so we can open up for discussion please second oh um call the vote please can we have a 
discussion you want a discussion first absolutely   I have comments to oh there you go I have 
comments to make before we vote if that's   all right of course yes all right go ahead Deputy 
Mayor thank you so much so thank you um for those   sweet comments you all said this obviously has 
been a project that we have pushed for a while   or we have looked for for a while um and I just 
wanted to make a couple comments about it um I'm   grateful for all the efforts taken to update our 
landscape codes um thankful for you all commission   that you thought it was worthy to update to 
make our community more resilient sustainable   and just more environmentally friendly I want 
to thank staff particularly Steven spraker and   Cara culiver and Laura Etta for taking the 
time to research our neighboring community   and ordinances and best practices there was a 
wealth of knowledge in this planning department   and and Cara went over and up and above and beyond 
doing all that research and I really appreciate   that um I'm thankful to the Core group of Resident 
Advocates that helped me embrace the importance of   native plants in our landscape and how we become 
more sustainable for future Generations I'm   hesitant to name names but be because I would not 
want to to forget someone but the following come   to mind immediately and I believe they deserve 
recognition Melissa Lamers Leslie Nixon in the   Paul Paul Society Alan Burton Nancy galdo Pam noi 
Julie cypes and Suzanne shriber thank you so much   for educating me and giving me the um knowledge 
to to push this initiative and thank you for the   staff for being so receptive for it um and I'm 
also thankful for the um Zev Cohen and all the   other stakeholders that provided information Jake 
stair is out in the audience now that provided all   the information for um at our interested parties 
meetings they were very enlightening and and I'm   very appreciative of that and so together an 
updated document was created and I appreciate   it and I want to say thank you thank you deputy 
mayor uh commissioner Sargent thank you Mr Mayor   um commissioner Briley I understand where you're 
coming from and I get it but we do have mechanisms   in place with our ordinances I think maybe what 
we need to focus on is public awareness so that   our public does understand what we have but I I 
don't think we need to change anything cuz what   scares me about changing it as soon as we open it 
up we're going to have more disease trees than we   know about more hazardous trees and before you 
know it everyone's just going to be cutting them   down to cut them down and I just don't want to 
open up that flood gate I think we need to keep   keep it where it is if anything do more public 
awareness whether we get something out in the   water bills more social media maybe having the um 
you know any tree company that does business in   the city of Ormond maybe they need to be advised um 
maybe we send them a certified letter so that we   know that they got it um something maybe a little 
bit more but I don't think we need to change our   ordinances or anything I just think we need to do 
more uh public awareness um Deputy Mayor is there   anything we need to change in it cuz this is your 
if you're good with it good with it cuz I read it   and I just I just know native plants Tru truth be 
told I I kept asking Steven can you just send me   like what we had and where we're at can you keep 
it simple and then you get this stuff you know   all of this stuff and I was like okay I I got it I 
went to all the meetings they unless they pull the   fast one which I'm sure they didn't everything is 
just the way it needs to be you know can we always   be better of course can be more green obviously 
but this is just absolutely amazing and you guys   were great to allow this project to move forward 
and those guys were just amazing doing the work   Cara especially I know I mean we literally looked 
at every neighboring City where they were at and   we saw where our deficiencies were and where 
we can be better and so I'm appreciative of   it and maybe in 5 years if we want to look at it 
again to make it even better great but right now   I am thrilled so thank you well then I Echo your 
comments uh thanking staff thanking everyone that   was involved to that was quite the ordinance to 
read um so with that I'm I'm good with it thank   you Mr Mayor before I call the vote I just want 
to say uh you know that that presentation that   time you did was excellent I remember that um with 
the native plant and all that stuff so uh um and I   understand your frustration too uh commissioner 
Briley but you know um I have to agree with   commissioner Sargent on this one what just you know 
the ordinances you know changing them could be   a little problematic in a lot of ways um but I'm 
happy to see this it was a long you know ordinance   uh it's probably longest ordinance I've read 
um but uh other than that though uh let's let's   call the vote and move on so call the vote please 
commissioner Briley we can talk about trees another   day yes commissioner Tolland 100% yes commissioner 
Sargent yes commissioner Deaton yes mayor Leslie yes okay okay we're going to move on to 8D city 
clerk please read the title ordinance number ORDINANCE NO. 2025-09: AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING A FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDED FINAL ORDER FOR THE “HUNTER’S RIDGE” DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT TO REMOVE TWO PARCELS OF REAL PROPERTY TOTALING 30.46+ ACRES (VOLUSIA COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER PARCEL NUMBERS: 4127-00-00-0011 AND 4127-00-00-0015), INCLUDING THE REMOVAL AND TERMINATION OF DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS PERTAINING TO THE SAID PARCELS, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO EXTEND HUNTER’S RIDGE BOULEVARD WITHIN THE SAID PARCELS; AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED THERETO; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.   this is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-09 read by title only so good evening Steven spraker planing 
director the um there's actually three   related um ordinances on the agenda and staff's 
going to present all three um the items would need   to be voted on separately by the city commission 
um so the three items are the Fifth Amendment to   the Hunters Ridge Development of regional impact 
the ordinance that was just read a zoning map   Amendment and then the last one is the issuance 
of the development order before getting into the   actual items it's important to understand the 
parcel the parcel is located um if you're going   left of the screen there's Shadow Crossings 
Boulevard to um the south of the project is   West Granada Boulevard to the east is a Florida 
Power and Light easement and then to the north   is the existing Hunter Ridge the first two Parcels 
highlighted are owned by a uh trust it is part of   the Hunters Ridge Dev Regional impact and it has 
existing entitlements for 50 multif family units the next two Parcels are Parcels three and four 
these are owned by a church um the church has   indicated that they would like to keep parcel 
four for their development and allow a contract   purchaser to pursue residential development on 
partials one two and three the next area is an   FPL easement shown on the far right of the screen 
that fpnl easement extends to the north and to the   south of the property the next two um are are 
area six and seven those are Florida Department   of Transportation Retention Ponds not part of the 
subject property but next to it and important the   next area is Old Tomoka Road that road bisects the 
the property it goes from West Granada Boulevard   um and then further goes east to the property to 
West Granada by Breakaway trails that is a Volusia   county roadway it's proposed to be vacated as 
part of this application process that would be   a separate process with Volusia County and then the 
last area is the Little Tomoka River which is on   the Northern third of the site it extends from 
West Granada Boulevard further east alone the   property so the first ordinance is the Fifth 
Amendment to the Hunter Ridge Development of   regional impact these two Parcels are part of 
Hunter's Ridge the goal of development is to   take them out of Hunter's Ridge include them into 
the little Tomoka subdivision in order to do that   they need to be removed from the Hunter Ridge 
and there's a 3046 Acres a second action is   the removal of the extension of Hunters Ridge 
Boulevard where that road would go there are   substantial wetlands and the little Tomoka River so 
there is um desire not to construct that extension   additionally there is no roadway to connect that 
extension to West Granada Boulevard so the roadway   doesn't exist there the last item in the in the 
Fifth Amendment is to remove the 50 multif family   units allowed in the development order of Hunters 
Ridge whatever is approved through the issuance of   the development order would be of what these two 
properties were allowed the planning board did   review this item with a little Tomoka subdivision 
and recommended approval the second item is a   zoning map amendment in order to develop land 
in the Suburban residential Zoning District you   have to go through a plan residential development 
so this is a rezoning from Suburban residential   to plan residential development this is this is a 
land use map of the property the northern portion   which includes the Little Tomoka River and the 
wetlands are zoned open space conservation the   areas that that are now existing in Hunters ridge 
as are proposed to be removed are medium density   residential that land use typically allows 5 
to 12 units per acre and the parcels owned by   the church are are land use Suburban low density 
residential just over 17 Acres that requires a   holding capacity to determine the the the amount 
of residential development that can be done the   planing board recommended approval again 4 to2 of 
the little Tomoka subdivision and the last item   is the issuance of the development order this is 
where you see what the applicant is proposing the   subdivision is a three-step process the first step 
is what you have before you tonight it's a plan   residential development this is a zoning document 
so it's going to have items such as the Lots lot   sizes landscape offers and non-residential uses 
open space recreational architectural standards   it's not going to have the detailed construction 
drawings it's not going to have a uh storm water   plan not going to have utility plans if the 
zoning document is approved that would come   next this process starts with our site plan 
review committee administrative staff there's   a neighborhood meeting that's required that 
happened in October the planning Board review   happen in December and then the commission is item 
is before you tonight for Action if the zoning   document is approved they will go to a preliminary 
plat again construction drawings where you it'll   come back for a public hearing starts with City 
staff goes to planning board and then back to the   city city commission if that preliminary plat 
is approved it will come back again before the   planning board and City commission as a final 
plot those are the subdivision legal documents   that subdivides land so that is the process 
the application is um before you on the screen   the area in green is shown as natural preservation 
the northern portion which includes the Little   Tomoka River and the wetlands are to be preserved 
the portion of the FPL easement on the property   is to remain in Natural Area and then there is 
a green belt buffer along West Granada which   the applicant has exceeded the areas shown in pink 
are the 31 residential lots there are three storm   water pollins proposed as part of development and 
then to the to the left of the screen there is a   house of worship that is proposed used the house 
of worship is 3,218 Ft with a 10,000 ft amenity   bu building the goal of the application is to 
construct the common area improvements such as the   access um together and then each property would be 
developed there would be a buffer wall along the   residential units along Granada Boulevard internal 
sidewalks on both sides of the residential areas   as part of the application process the application 
was required to do an environmental assessment   report reviewing the Little Tomoka River and the 
associated Wetlands there are for 15.49 Acres of   wetlands on the property there's an additional 
five acres of wetland buffers that are required   to buffer that Wetland the project proposes 33 
Acres of impact at the entrance and then at the   storm water Pond next to the FPL easement none 
of the wetlands along the little Tomoka River   are being impacted this was in your packet as 
part of the site plan from Zev Cohen associate   it um it's key to note that as part of the 
development standards the project has committed   to a higher standard of storm water so they're 
using the 100-year stor storm versus the 25-year   storm when they get to the construction documents 
again this is a zoning document it's not going to   have those items the adequate U capacity of um to 
serve from some Volusia County Schools was included in   the packet there was a traffic meor memorandum 
prepared the project itself did not generate   enough trips to Warrant a traffic study um what 
we've heard from the neighborhood meetings are   concerns regarding traffic specifically at 
Shadow Crossings Boulevard and West Granada   Boulevard there is a strong desire for a traffic 
light the Department of Transportation has looked   at that in 2019 and 2021 at that time it did 
not war it didn't meet the warrants in order   to allow a traffic signal these project T trips 
are going to go right in right out so they will   go to that intersection and they will call cause 
additional traffic another item that we heard   through the neighborhood meeting and planning 
board was flooding and storm water it happened   um you know there are pictures that were in the 
neighborhood meeting portion of the staff report   and there were additional correspondence that was 
provided as far your packet so that definitely is   a concern again a zoning document doesn't have the 
final storm water plans but that is part of the   overall process the planning board did recommend 
approval with a 4-2 vote and the app an is here   to address the commission staff is available if 
there are any questions uh does the commission   have questions at this time oh commissioner 
Deaton thank you um I have a slew of questions   for you right I attended both the planning board 
meeting the neighborhood meeting and I sat back   and listened um one of the neighbors asked 
multiple times regarding a dam that I guess   a resident placed in the creek has that been 
reviewed um at the planning board there was an   environmental cons consultant from the applicant 
they walked the ditch and they found no Dam they   thought the dam was caused by natural occurrence 
they didn't believe and I don't want to speak for   the environmental consultant at the plane board he 
thought that that was a natural occurrence he want   he has walked it didn't find any observations of 
of the of the dam okay thank you now we all know   there's there's a lot of flooding there we know 
that during Hurricane Milton there was excessive   flooding and um you know there was great impact 
on the FPL easement regarding the flooding many   people including myself did not have power for 
multiple days because that was flooded um when was   the last time the creek was cleared or of debris 
I don't have that information mam okay is there a   way we can get information regarding that because 
I know that's probably going to contribute to the   flooding and if there's building they going to 
be contents going into the creek is my concern   we can work to get to that information I don't 
have that information for you tonight as the   zoning document there there are no Construction 
level details in the packet okay all right thank   you commissioner Deaton um oh commissioner Briley 
thank you sir um and maybe this and and you can   tell me Steven if this is I mean we maybe can 
talk about this after the the applicant has has   spoken um I know that looking at this property and 
looking at the the proposed site plan if you will   majority of this property at least a good portion 
of this property appears to be in flood zone AE um   which to me causes a little bit of concern because 
even though you have a lot of this property that's   maybe considered Upland and possibly in zone 
X zone a is just almost right on top of it so   you do have a lot of wet property around what we 
be buil built upon um I know that they're saying   in the staff report that the 10,000 square ft 
amenity building I guess for the church would be   considered recreational area I'm not so Keen about 
a subdivision getting credit for a recreation area   that they don't own um the church the church could 
say you know the the the the site's not available   at certain times for recreation and I think that's 
not what the intent was when we put that into the   code that subdivisions had to offer recreational 
facilities for its residents uh I don't   think we saw you know we never anticipated any 
restrictions except for say maybe daylight hours um when this was approved in 1991 as far 
as the dri and of course it was approved   for what I think what potentially 
51 medium density residential units I know that this is a Dri and I know that dris go 
extend for a long period of time I don't think   that type of use would be compatible today in 
that area and of course I know that's not the   what they're proposing um but I guess another 
question I would have is with the 1991 dri was   it ever anticipated that a house of worship 
would be approved on this type of property I   know sometimes you can put houses of worship 
and residentially own areas but I don't know   if it was ever anticipated whenever the dri was 
approved in 1991 right so the house of worship   actually is not in the dri property it it's on 
the it's on the property south of Old Tomoka Road   okay so it's important to remember areas one and 
two on the map have rights of 50 multif family   units today they can come in with a site plan 
and and they they go to construction there's   no public hearing there's no platting so so 
areas one and two have that right areas three   and four have separate ability to construct a 
house of worship is a special exception in the   SR so even without a resoning they have the 
right to go through that special exception   and then the the Suburban low density 
residential on area three does have the   right either one unit per acre by right or 
to go through this plan development process   so each of those Parcels four Parcels have 
separate entitlements that exist today okay um I know during I guess one of the planning board 
meetings or during the planning board meeting um Mrs   Mary and Connors spoke to this and she had quite 
a few issues and and I always put a lot of faith   and weight into what Mrs Connor said because she 
was the assistant County Manager Volusia County and   also their for former public works director and 
Maryann knows what she's talking about about when   she talks about a lot of things and and a lot of 
her issues or some of her issues uh related to   Traffic and you know I know that you know we were 
provided this this evening from I guess it was a   resident um I'm not sure I think probably for 31 
homes on Granada Boulevard you probably have enough   stacking on that left turn lane for u-turns my 
concern would be during or after church services   um I don't know if there's enough stacking 
that would anticipate that type of use okay   um I do see that someone has provided a list 
of 14 crashes over 10 years um and I noticed   that about half these crashes were single car 
incidents so a traffic signal wouldn't help   typically a single car crash and not knowing too 
what these crashes are I don't know if these are   even correctable crashes if they're right angle 
crashes um typically those are the only ones   that could be What FDOT considers a correctable 
crash and typically to warrant a signal they   require typically about five a year so um while I 
appreciate this information it doesn't really tell   me much about it just tells me there's been about 
14 crashes in 10 years at the intersection so but   my concern would be um the traffic impact that a 
house of worship um would create out there and of   course too I did see in the staff report that it 
doesn't say I guess there's there's no anticipated   school at this time but that doesn't mean that one 
couldn't be anticipated down the road especially   with the the uh amenities or the the the the 
building for amenities  so as a result of the   planning board meeting and that comment there is 
a uh restriction under the special conditions in   the exhibit that does not allow a a child care or 
private school I saw that but you know unless we   put it unless we make a condition you know or 
we make it a restriction right I've I've I've   seen I've seen these things happen before 
you know prise one thing and 10 years down   the road you get something else right they 
would have to come back through the public   hearing process in order to amend it absolutely 
thank you Mr Mayor okay uh any other questions   from the commission for Mr spraker okay uh does 
the applicate want to speak on the item thank you thank good evening uh Mr Mayor Madam deputy 
mayor uh members of the commission for the record   Mark wats with the law firm of Cobb Cole 231 
North Woodland Boulevard to land I appreciate   the opportunity to um be here this evening and 
uh the presentation that staff made as always   very thorough and appreciate your questions as 
well I'll try and make sure I touch on them as   we go through um as Steven indicated in his in 
his report this is a a combination of parcels   that have a variety of different existing uses 
what we're proposing to do is essentially reduce   the maximum potential density from a residential 
standpoint um add a use that's already a special   exception use under the existing zoning and 
basically put in some other standards that   really exceed what your current standards are in 
the Land Development regulations so um that's my   quick overview let me go through Point by Point 
Stephen covered a lot of this so I'll I'll try and   make that fairly quick if I can learn how to drive 
your new machine here do I have to point in a   certain direction or okay I got it it it it moved 
so um my map's not as good as Stevens's but this   kind of gives you the breakdown between the medium 
density residential the open space conservation   and the Suburban low density residential those are 
your existing land uses that are already on the   property um from a zoning standpoint you've got 
Suburban residential again that covers both areas   north of Tomoka u u old Tomoka road that are also 
covered by the dri development order and the area   that's south of of Old Tomoka Road that's under 
the Suburban residential uh zoning classification   so if you think about this from the standpoint 
of what's the what's the most you can do given   the existing collection of Rights and if you look 
just at your your land uses there again you don't   hardly ever see a project where you get to the 
maximum on your land uses but the maximum number   of units that you could put on given the the three 
different land uses is about 170 units which I   think knowing the constraints that the property 
has would be a completely ridiculous result on   this property unless you're building some kind 
of highrises that would be completely out of   character with the area um realistically you've 
got 50 multi multifam units that are permitted on   the portion north of Old Tomoka Road and the the 
Suburban residential as it sits right now um with   the acreage that's there you've got roughly 17 or 
so uh residential units so you're now at about 67   residential units plus you've got the potential 
for the house of worship as a special exception   if you look at the special exception requirements 
that are in your code um it's very straightforward   to demonstrate compliance with those and so you 
know as a lot of you are aware when you're dealing   with a special exception as long as you show 
that you meet those particular conditions in   your code you're entitled to that use and that 
approval so rather than you know looking at 170   which again is a completely ridiculous number for 
this particular property given its characteristics   or looking at that 67 or or so that you get 
units with the existing uh zoning and the uh   portion that's in the Hunters Ridge dri um we're 
proposing gated uh subdivision comprised of 60 or   I'm sorry 31 Lots um and the house of worship 
um now you asked about the the question about   the the community facilities we actually have 
some that are in partnership with the church by   agreement so there's there will be a dedicated 
recorded Covenant um when the property closes   that U permits access to that Community facility 
but there is also a small pocket park within the   subdivision itself that backs up to the the Tomoka 
the old Little Tomoka River par it is okay it is   so um let me get into some of those specifics so 
again this is just kind of the breakdown of the   overall parcel you see you know Green is the kind 
the river that's your open space conservation land   use the gray area is medium density residential 
and then you've got your sub Suburban low density   residential south of Old Tomoka Road um what 
we've essentially done is is make the development   footprint very Compact and and cluster that 
density and intensity while at the same time not   going down to smaller Lots if you remember like 
the ilv alagio project that's a little bit further   to the east it's got a lot of um patio homes 
and kind of smaller Footprints this is not being   proposed as smaller Lots these lots are minimum 
of 80 ft wide they're consistent with what you   see in Hunter's Ridge um home sizes would be 2500 
to 3,000 square feet you know kind of as that that   you average um but I think the one of the really 
key things here and given the comments about   things like um the flooding you know issues and 
preserving more of the property as open space for   that storm water to either have a place to go or 
to perk down 31 or 33.1% of the overall property   is what's being impacted and developed the balance 
is going into open space or conservation so here's   a I think a good example of what you do when you 
look at the property and sort of listen to what   it's saying as far as what's what's possible there 
170 completely ridiculous that's you know why   you've got those other regulations that then come 
in and kind of help tailor you know what you're   doing with the piece of property to what that 
property can support um the um I already covered   most of these so um the the dog park I don't think 
you got a laser on here let's see can't really see   it up there anyway so as you come in um off of 
Granada and you take the right into the Gated   area for the neighborhood if you go directly 
on that North Road there's a there's a pocket   park right in there on that kind of North East 
intersection of that Entry Road um actually one of   the things that that came out of the neighborhood 
meeting which I thought was a very good comment we   actually had that road going a little bit further 
north up closer to the river in the plan that was   presented I think I've got a slide that shows 
it here in a minute several of the residents   said you know give us a little bit more space um 
give the river a little bit more space pull that   development footprint back to the South um so we 
did we actually eliminated a culdesac that was up   there we reconfigured how the Lots were arranged 
up there worked that park into that area and I   think that was a good result of the of the you 
know information we received in talking with the neighborhood uh no school use is planned as 
part of the house of worship at the planning   board meeting I actually um talked to Miss 
Connor's prior to the planning board meeting   and committed to her that we would be on the 
record at the planning board stipulate to adding   that condition her principal concern was when you 
have a a house of worship that's one thing most of   your peak hour trips and everything coming out of 
a house of worship are at off peak times for other   things Sunday mornings you know the rest of the 
roads tend to be fairly you know fairly low volume   Wednesday evenings when you traditionally have 
you know church services things of that nature   here um you know Miss Conor's concern was you 
a lot of times see kind of that creep you you   see a church come in but then you have a daycare 
and then you have a a preschool or a school that   gets established and so she wanted to make sure 
that you know that we were addressing that and so   we stipulated and added the condition with your 
staff after planning board to the develop order   um that basically says that use is not permitted 
unless and until there's a signalized intersection   and so if we wanted to come back and and and add 
that use we would have to come back through this   whole process to amend this development order and 
remove that condition and so you would have this   basically the say on whether or not we were able 
to do that once the signal were installed once the   Signal's installed then that then you could you 
could you could add that's right um but one of   the other things that you've got here is do is 
the regulating agency here so we do anticipate   we're going to be installing a taper or a turn 
lane coming in to pro to accommodate the turns   into the subdivision and any other improvements 
that do would require for the exiting movements   coming out of the subdivision or the church um and 
in the event there's any extension of that turn   lane for the U-turn movements at the signal or 
at the intersection where hopefully one day there   will be a signal um then we would be responsible 
for um installing those improvements as well but   that's all going to be basically mandated by the 
do permitting process so with regard to flooding   one of the principal things that we've tried to do 
is is stay out of the floodway um see if that last   one showed it so if you if you look at kind of the 
top portion where you can see the course of the   river you know kind of where the little Tomoka um 
flow is it's up on that very northern part you can   see kind of the line that goes along where where 
it kind of defines that channel up against the   North Boundary that's also the regulate the flow way 
for the the flow coming out of the the U coming   through the little Tomoka River we have our our 
principal goal has been to keep everything backing   away from that preserve that floodway now in 
addition um speaking to the city and the and the   St current St John's Water Management uh District 
standards you know the current development you   know standard is the 25 year storm event that's what 
that's what you require by code that's what the   the district requires um given the concerns we've 
heard given the concerns coming into this that we   that you know staff raised wanting to make sure 
that we were being extra cautious um we've actually   designed this for the 100-year event um so we've 
we've designed to that additional capacity to be   retained on site um treated on site before it's 
discharged into into the the little Tomoka which   is where it all currently flows currently um oh 
I had a slide that showed it better the green   area is the as the flow flow way for the little 
Tomoka so um again this is really U this shows you   that culdesac that's circled up there that's the 
revision uh that we made after after uh the the   neighborhood meeting and essentially what we were 
able to do with that shift is we we added about   75 ft of separation from where the development 
will occur here and the existing neighborhood to   um Hunters Ridge to the north so it increased our 
total separation really it's almost 400 feet from   the back of one of the lots that you see here in 
the pink area um to to the nearest home that's in   Hunters Ridge um 325 IS about what it was when we 
were um you know when we had that culdesac there and   that lot that was further to the north um let me 
just make sure I've touched on everything I wanted to okay so in essence um what we're seeking is 
approval of that mixed use PUD uh or PD that   will you know add a use that's currently a special 
exception as a permitted use with the restrictions   that have been discussed um take the existing 
permitted density um you know the things that   we could go and get a plat approval for now or 
a site plan approved for now and reduce that by   about half um and do it in a gated subdivision 
with larger lots and larger homes so we've got   our team we've got a group from Zev Cohen here uh 
I'm sorry Zev Cohen's here um you know if you have   any questions with regard to the engineering um Vlassiter 
transportation's here to respond to any questions   with regard to transportation that that I can't 
handle so with that we'll pause here and ask for   any questions thank you um mayor yeah just one 
question and and I apologize I'm been looking   through the the I know you're with with the single 
family homes you're looking at obviously you said   larger Lots yes yes size those lots minimum is 
80 ft um we were looking at 80 to 100 feet um   we've we've got some that are larger than 80 but 
when we were able to kind of shrink things down   and get rid of that culdesac we set 80 as the 
minimum for the for the whole Development Area   um just to give us the flexibility when we get 
into plating but 80 80 ft would be the minimum and   top my I can't remember the square footage I think 
it was 9500 or 9,800 Square ft for the lot sizes   so thank you commissioner Briley oh commissioner 
Sargent thank you Mr Mayor um how many parking   spots is the house of worship going to have a lot 
of that will ultimately um be determined by the   final design uh again we're going to have to go 
through the site the the house of worship as as   Steven indicated will go through a separate site 
plan process that will come back through you know   this process to get approved um right now I think 
the estimate is about 50 uh total spaces um that's   would be to meet your code um some of those 
with a house of worship can be on grass areas   overflow parking and things of that nature um it's 
a fairly small congregation that currently owns it   um that doesn't mean it couldn't be a different 
congregation down the road know it's a house of   worship it's not specific to any particular um 
you know when you approve that use you're not   approving you know this Baptist Church or that 
Catholic church it's just house of worship can   be there so what are the services going to be are 
they having one service on Sundays are they having   Services throughout the week I'm just curious 
on how this is going to flow with the traffic   that's it's very concerning out there yeah 
so right now again the the church Sanctuary is   about 3,200 square F feet as planned um I think 
about a hundred seats is what's anticipated   in there um their primary and and Mr Tanis Ali 
was at the planning board meeting I don't know   if he's here this even I don't see him here 
this evening but um it's his um church that   currently owns the property um based on what they 
said at the planning board um their largest use   of the property is probably four or five times 
a year around certain festivals um under the the   particular you know calendar year for that that 
church what happens in 10 years when 40 gets wide   into six Lanes how's that going to affect this 
project so right now we are staying outside of   the Right-of-Way so if it comes in and gets widened 
then we would have to work with do to accommodate   that widening okay another concern I have is the 
school concurrency and I don't know how Volusia County   Schools does this it's it's every time I look at 
these it's it's amazing to me and I see that it's   only going to create eight more students but yet 
we have Pathways Elementary which is at 147% the   middle school Henson is at 120% capacity and then 
Mainland looks like it's at 119% but yet they're   still going to approve more to add more students 
I mean it's just I know that's not your fault   it's the school board but I just look at these 
numbers and it it I'm amazed how they the school   board can approve these well I I tend to agree 
with you a lot of times it's hard to to know how   they come up with those numbers what we have to 
do is follow the process that's there both with   the city and with the district now the important 
thing to remember about that process though is   that your requirement is that we don't look at it 
just now um you know if we we've looked at it now   and they've said we we have capacity we are not 
vested for that capacity um if you approve this   tonight we have to come back when we go through 
the plat process and we have to again Ask the   school district at that point in time do you still 
have capacity and at that time it's do you have   capacity and will you reserve it for the number 
of units that are being proposed sure um and so   at that point in time if they don't have capacity 
uh then they can say no And they're they're fully   within their rights to say no at that point in 
time and then we would have to work with them   in some some type of mitigation strategy well I 
personally think we need more House of Worships   in this Community um more the better but that's 
a different can we bring up the flood map I think   it's on Page in your 1683 in our in our packet 
I don't know if that's I yield I yield the uh screen uh which one is this then question I'm 
sorry 1468 if you want to go ahead and ask your   questions why yeah I'm fine mine will be related 
to the flood as well and while he's looking maybe   you can answer the question yes you mentioned that 
this property you know when we approve things that   they're supposed to retain their own water correct 
does that mean none of the water will go into that   little Tomoka river no um and I can bring get Luke 
up here as well I have a lot of questions about   all of that so I'll let commissioner Sargent 
finish and then I'll ask mine so I I I can give   you the layman answer while he's looking for that 
page um and then ask luke to respond so when you   any piece of property both receives water now and 
discharges water so when when when there's a rain   event water flows onto any piece of property 
and then it flows off of that property as long   as you're not in a closed Basin um this piece of 
property currently has a discharge into the Little   Tomoka River when we talk about designing 
to a particular storm event what we have   to demonstrate is that we're not increasing the 
rate that that water leaves the property um or the   velocity with which that water the the the speed 
with with which it leaves the property so when   you're looking at most designs under your current 
regulations you're patterning you know the you're   designing that system and answering that question 
with regard to a specific volume that's you know a   25-year storm event what we've done with regard to 
this project and what we're proposing to add as a   condition to the development order is instead of 
meeting that 25-year volume we're increasing the   volume that we would retain on site to to model 
the 100-year storm event so Luke good evening Mr   Mayor uh commission members Luke kulich with Zev Cohen 
and Associates um 300 Interchange Boulevard or   me Florida I'm the project manager with with 
the Zev and team and in terms of storm water   um there are two key elements um miss Tolland that 
we work towards one being the water quality and   then the other one being the quantity and uh we 
will be going through permitting with the St John   of Water Management District as well as fdot for 
drainage and city of Ormond beach side planning   uh so the the key thing just like Mark mentioned 
is instead of the 25y year which is about a 9 and   a half inch storm event uh we will be um you know 
modeling the site for a 13 plus inches of runoff   uh through the development and then capturing that 
volume in our storm water ponds and making sure   that we do not discharge more than what gets 
discharged currently within the pre-existing   conditions and then uh also the volume we 
we have to make sure that the total total   volumes get maintained so those are the uh sort 
of the key elements that go into our storm water design and uh the other thing to mention also 
with stor water's Little Tomoka River being our um   discharge point it's a it's an outstanding Florida 
water it comes with additional uh treatment and   quantitative measures requirements uh from the 
stor water uh perspective with the St John's River   Water Management District we are also impairing 
uh discharging into an impaired water body it's   impaired Tomoka river is impaired for certain 
nutrients so we have to hold a lot more strong   water than your traditional strong water ponds 
so we're going deputy mayor or well I think uh   commissioner Sargent wanted to ahead go back okay 
so if I'm looking at this correctly almost this   entire Project's in flood zone AE is that correct 
so the flood zone AE are are the areas that you're   and blue and if you go back to our plan sheet I 
believe Mark you had it on there before sheet C6   okay that one there so the dark shaded areas that 
you're seeing Mr Sargent are the Zone AE areas   that you know the development is impacting and uh 
for for that what we'll uh what we'll be doing is   the owner will engage a flood consultant as part 
of our final engineering and design process he   will model this uh this development just to see 
how it impacts the adjacent flood flood elevations   and if there are any impacts um you know 
compensating storage areas or additional storm   water will be provided I'm just very concerned 
um that we're going to bring in a lot of fill   raise this up and then that water I know and I 
know y'all do an amazing job with engineering   but water is not going to stay it's going to Flow 
Away i' I've seen it I feel like and I know we're   we're basing off the 100e storm and 13 in and 
but the last few years we've we've had you know   500 years rainstorms what do we have last year 23 
in 24 hours um I feel like we're getting more and   more and I know that there's standards that we 
have to go by I understand that but I also look   at what if we seen and it's like we're getting 
more and more rainstorms here and I just feel   like when we pave this with the um parking lot 
when we put these Lots raised up cuz it's going to   lots of fil that we're going to have potential 
flooding issues cuz it's going to flood into the   Wetland area and then it's going to flood into 
the neighborhood behind it um I just have some   serious concerns with the flooding issue but I'll 
let um Deputy Mayor toen address her Commandments   and then I'll thank you and I agree with you 
commissioner Sergeant on some of those issues   so I was going to ask about the flood plane Zone 
as well and I was looking at your soil samples   as well the soil samples in that area indicate 
that those are more Wetland type um land as well   yes ma'am because we're um mainly building within 
the Uplands as as Mark and Mr Spraker mentioned we're   only impacting 33 Acres out of the 14 15 Acres 
of wetlands on the side which in my opinion is   a is a great number uh so the soils are a mixture 
of there are some Organics uh but um it's nothing   that you see that within a wetland area so the qu 
the other question I have and I talked to a few   residents and I I have been told and I have not 
personally um seen it in writing but I have you   gotten approval from St John's Water Management 
I've heard that they have some violations on that   little Tomoka river right now from the um Hunters 
Ridge Development and that coincides and will be   shared with this new development are you aware 
that there's some violations already we just made   our St John submittal um I want to say last week 
and for the purposes of uh meeting with staff in   the field um you know just making sure that all 
the Wetland lines that we've delineated that they   agree on we want to get through that early on but 
we have not gotten any feedback from St John's yet   the project is still under review okay well from 
the standpoint of of violations this there's no   active uh Water Management District permit on this 
particular project yet um so there wouldn't be any   violation here I'm not aware of any I mean 
certainly there there may be some that exist   out there we did get the question at planning 
board about you know cleaning out the Little   Tomoka River and who's who who's doing that and 
I think that's probably one of the most popular   questions that I hear um at County Council or 
at various City commission meetings that I get   to go to on a on a weekly basis who's doing what 
on which canal or water body um little Tomoka is   actually a it's a creek it's a natural River we 
typically don't have somebody that's cleaning   those out on a regular basis one of the things 
because of what we've heard at some of the at   the neighborhood meeting because we went in search 
of the dam you know that that one of the neighbors   was very concerned about several of them raised 
that that particular issue um one of the things   that we're proposing as we go forward with the 
Water Management District permit process is that   we propose some cleanout um of that receiving area 
you know as we do the work on the overall project   because in the absence of anybody else doing it it 
does give us an opportunity while we're permitting   something to do some of that work um and have 
that at least be clear one of the things I think   with regard to this site with you know you see 
where the ponds are located kind of to the to the   Eastern portion of the property which is also the 
direction of the flow for the Little Tomoka River   so you know we're discharging at that point where 
it kind of goes away from the adjacent homes in   the Hunters Ridge area as well and into the flow 
that that goes further to the east would there   be any conation from the developer to eliminate 
that back row of housing to allow that to be the   flood area that it's naturally is right now well 
actually that area if you go back if you can so   if you look at what's shown on this map those 
areas aren't in the flood plane currently um   so none of the areas where those that row of lots 
that you're speaking to um are in the flood plain   the only areas that are in the actual flood plane 
you see where the dark gray shaded pieces are here   yeah one of them is over in our where the storm 
water Pond is in the northeast corner and then   you've got that one little area up by where the 
entry road comes in those are the only existing   flood areas there the regulatory floodway um 
that exists for the The Little Tomoka River   is actually all of that area to the north that 
we're putting into the conservation so if you look at let me see page 1278 so if you go back to 
this image um where you actually have that that   floodway for the little that's associated with the 
little Tomoka River it really more corresponds with   that green shaded area um on this this particular 
map and so we one of the things if you think about   the what the Hunters Ridge dri Development 
order currently allows that area you can see   where little Tomoka river goes through or the 
the old Tomoka road Right-of-Way kind of goes through   there now um the area between Old Tomoka Road and 
that green area is where you current Curr have   the entitlements for 50 multif family units to be 
constructed so we're we're asking you to eliminate   those and let us concentrate on the 31 units that 
are south of that area commissioner Tolland if you look   at if for it might help 146 page 1468 that's what 
I'm looking for right now 1468 1468 you can see   where the road runs through it and just to the 
north of the road there that's still Upland land   there and then behind it is where the AE flood 
zone is yes this is picture here so so I think   one of the specific points we've tried to make 
with regard to the the layout and the design is   really to concentrate the footprint in that area 
that's not AE um in the area that you see here   without a color on your aerial um so where you can 
where you can see the area around that that storm   water pond that's the concentration of of where 
the development footprint is here may just side   by side yes absolutely now keep in mind one of the 
things that you're current zoning so again we're   we're here before you with with current rights 
in hand so you have the ability to do 50 you know   multif family units you have the ability to do 
let's call it 8 to 10 to well actually I'm sorry   based on the acreage 15 to 17 you know residential 
units on the Suburban residential portion um you   could do that and impact the the the flood plane 
and provide compensating storage all of those   things are allowed under your current code and 
under the current rights that the property has um   we're really asking you to elevate the standard 
reduce the density um and put a a much more   specific plan in place for this property because 
those things we could we could go into a site plan   application or appli application for tomorrow U 
Dey Riley oh May I'm sorry yes I am for now thanks   um I guess the question I had too and and and mark 
you help me out with this maybe the the amenities   at the church and I wanted to just this kind of 
maybe piggybacks off of commissioner Sargent's   question um it looked like you said roughly 50 
parking spots for the church you yes me because   I saw on the staff report about 100 seats for 
the church yes um the amenities portion is that   strictly is that exclusively for this subdivision 
or would you see where the church might rent that   out to the community or someone else because 
my question I guess would become would you   enough parking for the amenity Center and and say 
say you had something going on at the same time a   church service was happening so so you you have 
a standard for that kind type of community space   um under your code I think it's one space for 
every 200 square feet within that common area   and we've got about a 10 there's about a 10,000 
foot building that would be that community space   building um there's a number of ways that 
could be approached I don't you know there   there may be and again this will ultimately be 
by written agreement that's recorded as part of   the subdivision documents that come through so um 
you know we typically have to record covenants and   restrictions that you see as part of the plat when 
it comes forward um one of the things to speak to   your particular concern um it's possible that you 
could have the church rent out a portion of that   building for something and there could be let's 
say there's a multi-purpose room that's 8,000   squ ft of that 10,000 square F feet and that 
there's you know kind of a smaller Club room   or lounge that's 2,000 foot um you know there 
may be you know ways to address through those   restrictions that the 2,000's always available 
for the for community members and the 10,000 May   or the 8,000 could be rented out as well by the 
church things of that nature I would hope that   the residents would walk um over and not use 
any parking but I think the the key point is   our focus is also to make sure to guarantee that 
the residents have that that Community amenity as   well where they've got a lounge or something of 
that nature that they can use in partnership with   the church because otherwise you have buildings 
that are sitting empty and it it really makes a   lot of sense to duplicate you know kind of stack 
those uses so that so that you're not building   more space you know just for the sake of having 
more sh I guess what my question was if they did   you know if they did run it out to the community 
and you did have people who drove out there yes   and just say it happened to coincide with a church 
service yes is there enough parking I think that's   I mean we're following your code on parking so 
I think that's possible with any any house of   worship so um you know I think that's calculated 
into the numbers you require for parking that's   I know with 50 parking spots for the church y 
and than 100 seats in the church then 10,000 ft   amenities if there's enough maret Mr Briley so we've 
calculated based on the current Land Development   code the number of spaces required for the church 
use for the 100 seats which is 34 and then for the   community center it's one space per 200 square fet 
which is 50 parking spaces currently what you're   seeing out there's 84 total spaces that meets 
the L development code theres my question thank you um any other questions cause I have three 
cards here okay uh Sargent one more then   I'd like to hear from the residents can 
we bring up on our packet uh page 1465 please thank you right in the center is is the 
Tomoka I don't want to say River old Tomoka Riv   Old Tomoka River coming down correct coming 
across laterally blue coming straight down from   the center page uh blue coming straight down yes 
I don't have a point and then it stops but then it   picks up down look and it goes not sure what is 
that I don't know Sargent I believe that's the   connection from the DOT's right away from uh Granada 
uh there's there are um I believe 3 30in pipes   that are coming through and they get discharged 
through our site and then it gets piped under the   old Tomoka Road and ultimately into the little 
Tomoka River okay so in our plan on sheet pd4 uh   we show a culvert Crossing where we're proposing 
the roadway to access the church site so we will   size those culverts accordingly to the current capacity 
needs for that I'm just really concerned about   those residents there but I'll I'll save more 
comments until after I hear from the residents   thank you just just to make sure I'm clear are you 
talking about going top to the top of the screen   is that the blue line that you're talking about 
that kind of curves off to the left yes way I'm   North or South no that's I think that's the 
discharge from the from the community into   the uh the low lying area into the Little Tomoka 
River so that's a that's another drainage feature   from Hunters Ridge that comes down to the old 
little little not touching that we're not imp   and then flows to the east okay thank you thank 
you commissioner Sargent oh uh deputy mayor another   question with that yes so in reference to what 
you were just saying the there is a culvert   underneath State Road 40 that empties into the 
little Tomoka river that empties any discharge   from the south side of State Road 40 so thinking 
ahead guys this is Avalon and that's going to be a   lot of impervious materials and that extra water 
could possibly go under State Road 40 into the   Little Tomoka River as well is that correct or 
no Commissioner Tolland as I mentioned earlier they will be   held to the same standards that we are with 
the St John's of Water Management District   and especially with fdot when it comes to the 
drainage permit and I understand that we we do   have standards and we have to follow them we also 
know that sometimes those standards fail and we've   seen that in the county and we've seen we we're 
hearing that from all our residents now and you   know even the county now is is relooking at what 
we can do to avoid flooding I'm just potentially   looking down the road I think like you all are 
as well maybe our standards need to be altered   a little bit and I'm not faulting you by anything 
you are doing exactly what you're supposed to do   I'm just trying to be extra protective at this 
point you know we to address it differently yes   ma'am I just want to give you all the comfort 
level that again they their design will have   to take in into account the existing flows and 
they cannot exceed those so thus ideally what   would be coming from the south development should 
be matching the existing condition gotcha thank   you yeah and I think you're right I think you 
are going to see that continued evolution of   some of those storm water standards the land uh 
Edgewater both have adopted the 100-year storm   event as their base design standard now I think 
you're going to see more and more sort of going in   the direction of changing those standards um I I 
gave the the example at the planning board meeting   um I was looking at you know three different 
subdivisions that were approved by the county   or well I think they were all by the county over 
on the west side of the of the county one was   approved in the late mid to late 1980s um Zero 
Storm water uh facilities it all drains downhill   into a lake uh the one next to it was approved 
in the you know late '90s early 2000s about 60   Acres of Development Area had an acre and a half 
storm water Pond um and then the site that we're   working on in the county now it's about 30 Acres 
total and we've got 6 and a half acres of storm   water pond so that evolution in the standards 
you know it's it's really consuming more and more   of the property because of the need to hold more 
water right and that's we've designed that higher   standard here because of that reason okay thank 
you uh commissioner do you some questions sorry   um of course I I still do have a lot of concerns 
of the flooding as the rest of them do and you   know what we're Ormond Beach I do think that we 
should raise our standards we're we're Ormond Beach   um so I I do echo that I do have a question um 
is the developer local yes yeah right now the   so um we're working with Howard leftwitz he's 
our client sitting here in the um he's been   developing in Volusia county for many years uh 
based out of out of Winter Park um but has   done work in Deltona Deland uh Ormond um you 
know throughout the years and then the home   builder that we're working with is also 
local based out of New Smyrna okay thank you   okay uh I'm going to try to get some uh residents 
up here to speak um first i' like to call uh Mike Strauss Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor Commissioners 
thank you my name is Mike Strauss I live at five   buckthorne looking Hunters Ridge I have lived 
there for 30 years now my property if you're   looking at the Zevco and diagram is directly 
across the Little Tomoka River where several other   residents are I'd also ask you um under the itum 
F there is a thing called correspondence received   that consists of three pages of information I 
provided in multiple u pictures showing what   behind my home and the other residents it looked 
like on an average day and what it looked like   with the most recent flood um my biggest concern 
which is not showing in the photo that was just up   there minute ago you kept asking about the blue 
line that has not been disclosed in my opinion   unless I'm overlooking something when Hunters Ridge 
was designed and going forward as it was built to   the north there is I'm going to call it a ditch it 
was pulled with a drag line the residual was piled   up on a bank and it runs a straight line that's 
what you're seeing in the blue is a ditch that   runoff is not disclosed in this diagram and the 
volume of all the water that's going going to be   brought into the little Tomoka and currently is in 
addition to that that's flowing in the blue line   on this diagram from what is being considered 
the little Tomoka also this line basically on   this diagram that the Cohen industry provided 
indicates that it pretty much goes as this   nice little straight line nothing could be further 
I provided multiple documents here there to show   that this stream makes multiple right and left 
90° turns when the volume of the rain comes down   as it's recently done it does not have the 
capacity to make the right and left turns   and thus floods a mass quantity of um Wetlands 
Palmetto scrubs and then it then goes out right   where this proposed development is to the East 
and to the west or north and south um thus showing   what is occurring in my home as other residents 
right in my area there's also a place called Polo   Club um so I'm not so sure that the volume of 
water is fully being disclosed to everybody and   I do have also um some photos which I not did not 
previously provide of set ditch so in case anyone   questioned that and the question Miss Deaton you 
would ask about has anybody ever cleaned up um   this behind this area uh as well as about the 
um the dam the dam doesn't necessarily have to   be located on Hunters Ridge property this flows 
underneath the power lines it goes through some   other private lands and then ultimately goes 
into Breakaway trials right now Hunter Ridge is   in violation of multiple St John's water district 
managements how do I know that um I pulled on my   driveway not too long ago and there's a gentleman 
in my backyard he is there and he discloses to me   that he is there to give estimates to Hunter 
Ridge to clean up all of the waterways in 30   years that have never been cleaned up uh Mr Strauss 
can we see those photos for a second you can   we we didn't get a chance to look at them give 
them to oh yeah give them to the clerk I'm sorry all right thank you uh thank you sorry I just wanted to look 
at the photos here for a second at this time could I call up Art 
Long longus I'm sorry legatus yeah hello my name's art legatus I live at 
10 meadow Ridge View the photos on record   are actually behind my house the first photo was 
from 9/29/22 after Ian uh the second uh photo was   actually just during the rainy season and the 
third photo was after um Milton would put three   feet at at my deck the situation that you have is 
when you look at the um subject property my house   is located here that last row of houses when 
you have these storms they're going to need to   be raised to be out of the flood plane and what's 
going to happen is it's going to create additional   flooding because those houses along there many of 
them are underwater when we have these events so   as they raise those up also as a matter of policy 
which they did not tell you is FEMA does not go   in and update the flood maps until after houses 
are built as a matter of policy I was a second   house built on Little Tomoka River I was not in 
a flood zone was like 10 years later before they   updated their maps that put me in a flood zone 
which put me at AE so to say that they are not   in a flood zone yes they're not in a flood flood 
zone yet but that water it's underwater there just   by looking at my photos you can see my house 
is there and they're proposing right in there   so that is underwater additionally if you look 
at um Hunter Ridge Boulevard under the original   dri that land was was to be preserved on both 
sides of Hunters Ridge Boulevard uh additionally   right now at this point you've heard one point 
of view right now the association Parcels of land   are being sold off but one of the developers is 
Glenn furman who is actually part of Hunters Ridge   13 companies and this project to clarify the 
record additionally as the properties get sold   off Hunters Ridge is basically at this point 
sold out so we're waiting for the association   to be turned over to the residents the residents 
right now have $1.5 million in the bank it's all   residents money I do have Paul sansky who's on the 
board who will confirm that and what we're asking   is for time so we could hire our own engineers 
to go ahead and give you a different point of view thank you Art okay thank you Mr 
Mayor uh commissioner Briley and I don't   like to necessarily engage the public but 
there was in those three photos and I'm   just for clarification to just be just for 
clarification I'm just curious to see one   of those photos appears there's a large 
pipe there with a gate valve at the end   just curious as to what that's for it looks like 
someone can open that valve and it drains out into   that little Tomoka river oh oh that is a it's 
a lift station are you talking about near the   front of the development it was like it was 
in the picture I don't but it looks like it   it doesn't really have a oh oh that it doesn't 
terminate that's an irrigation line because some   part part of Hunter Ridge will draw I'm sorry 
you need to speak a microphone sir I'm sorry this
picture okay this needs to be I'm sorry gentlemen this needs to be in the record 
so someone need and speak about that is I guess this is is this something that 
that belongs to to Hunter's Ridge yes yes well   just whatever you say you need to speak in the 
microphone sir um this is the pond that flows   um South into the little Tomoka the pipe that 
you see to my knowledge on the other side of   the road when the capacity of the coverts 
gets to its maximum this is an additional   valve that can be turned on when it reaches 
a breach and further let the water flow   uh Paul maybe answer the big see that's 
on the third Lake on the power yeah okay well yeah I'm lost too all right 
thank you next I'll call up uh Ted Rhoades all please entitled to approval we heard 
that statement tonight as long as we   meet requirements we're entitled to approval 
I went to the planning board last December   and one of the one of the planning board 
members uh mentioned that if one has property   rights that there's an implied approval just just 
because you own the property you you're entitled   to his zoning approval and I I've never seen 
that written in any in anything about property   rights and in anything land SPC speculators do 
not have a right to approval the community has   the right to approve whether they get zoning 
approval I hope that tonight um that we can   go beyond requirements oh as long as we meet 
requirements no I hope we go beyond that and   go to common sense we live in that Community we 
know that that intersection is going to be much   more dangerous because we go through there 
every day we know it we live there we know   that these properties are going to flood ask ask 
the developer if they have m out the high water   mark for the last three hurricanes oh they meet 
the requirements I I bet they haven't even done that Mr uh one member which I want to 
mention on the on the planning board I   got a lot of respect for this guy uh Doom 
Malon Du Malin he's the water expert he   recommended that we not approve it the other 
four members I mean this guy's a water expert   they they just vetoed his 
advice and voted to approve this anyway it it is my opinion that that planning 
board is guilty of Public Safety malpractice and   I'm asking every one of you tonight to use your 
common sense and put this project on hold let's   take a timeout and vote your conscience thank 
you can  by 39 seconds um sure the creek had   never been uh can you speak in the microphone 
now yes the creek had I've been there 32 years   the creek had never been uh maintained or cleaned 
out at all so behind my house it it's like a bowl   now so the flow is not what it was 30 years ago 
and I've been there 32 years thank you thank you   all right um why we oh all right you you come 
on okay sorry Mr Mayor I generally yeah in the   past we've had an opportunity to come back up and 
and just speak to the comments that are also made   okay that's fine so if that's okay um just just 
briefly wanted to address a couple things I think   Mr strauss's comments with regard to the Blue Line 
heading north of where the little Tomoka is have   to get my pen out of my hand um that area and it 
sounds like the comments that are that are really   directed there are with regard to the maintenance 
of Hunter ridges Hunters ridges system their storm   water system some of the improvements that were 
put in when that development was constructed it's   not something that our clients have any control 
over certainly you know the appropriate mechanism   is an enforcement action by St John's if there 
are conditions under their permits or under their   approvals that are not being met um I'd encourage 
the city to support that um you know the only you   know I um you know often times we hear about storm 
water systems that are constructed and then not   maintained by the HOAs or whoever has control 
of them um that enforcement part of the of the   permitting is very important so you know again 
that's off of the site that we were talking about   today um you know I'm not sure what the not being 
disclosed portion of it was but that that really   is outside of the boundaries of our property we 
have no control over many of those areas um with   regard to um Mr Legatus's comments about some 
of the the you know the kind of storm water   areas the you raising of lots and the impact 
that that can have I want to just remind you   if you go back um and I don't know I can just 
use this as the example if you think about the   property that on this picture that's north of Old 
Tomoka Road there currently exists the right to   come in and fill those areas that are not in 
the Wetland so kind of before you get to the   green you currently have the right under existing 
entitlements to fill those areas and put as many   as 50 units in there now that's the current right 
and again we would have to meet your standards but   your standards include things like compensating 
storage and the ability to come in and put fill   in and you know have a a pond to provide that 
additional volume of storm water treatment on   site so it's theoretically possible to come in and 
meet your standards and end up with those 50 units   on that North Area I think you'd probably lose 
units based on the constraints of the property um   but at least that's the the current entitlement Mr 
rhs spoke to entitlements I've not said one time   to you this evening that we're entitled to the 
approval that we're asking you to vote on tonight   I think it makes an awful lot more sense than 
the things we are entitled to I think what we are   entitled to currently and this is just looking at 
you know that bundle of sticks that we talk about   when we talk about property rights what do you 
have right now that you have the ability to move   forward with and build and it's that 50 units and 
it's that one unit per acre of density on the on   the Suburban residential portion or that house 
of worship that's a special exception those are   the things that are entitlements so again if you 
look at the the things that the city has already   granted to this property it's 50 units plus the 
17 units on that one unit per acre density for   the Suburban residentials here 67 units or so 
give or take uh that currently are entitled that   we don't have to ask for any more permission we 
just have to show compliance with your engineer   in standards and the house of worship again you 
have a process but there's specific standards in   your code and if you demonstrate compliance and 
there things like the front of it has to face the   arterial roadway you know you have to have the 
proper amount of buffering you have to have the   proper amount of land you know Landscaping the 
proper amount of parking if you can demonstrate   those standards are met you're entitled to that 
improval this is under your code this is not   based on what we're standing here asking asking 
for what we're asking to do is to do something   more responsible with the property to reduce 
the density to cut it in half with regard to   the residential density that is currently 
entitled on that property and to add that   house of worship as a as a use by R um I think 
it makes a lot more sense to leave 60 whatever   the the percentage was 66 point or 66.9% of this 
property outside of the development footprint and   leave it in conservation and Wetland preservation 
so um I know that there's a lot of discussion now   with regard to water I know that there's a lot of 
discussion with regard to the particular property   we really think this makes in the context of that 
discussion the plan in front of you makes a whole   lot more sense than what the current rights are 
for that property so happy to respond to any of   other questions um commissioner Sargent thank 
thank you Mr Mayor um just a couple can we bring   up page uh 1465 again please so this blue line 
in the center page yes the way I'm looking at   goes like this yes just goes like this now is that 
a covert or a ditch or what what are we looking at   here is that an open ditch that we just saw and 
so that drains to this this property and then   it looks like it just does it that it picks up 
underneath this property again I think what you   see are two different things so I think you have 
the the drag line ditch that was referenced by the   first Speaker coming down through through Hunter 
Ridge that's part of their original drainage   system that charges to the Little Tomoka River 
the small line you see coming up from the south   is actually a DOT so do also has a drainage 
easement that comes across a portion of the   property that drains North also into the Little 
Tomoka River so is Hunter's Ridge drain an on to   your client's property yes and they're allowed to 
okay because they they have those rights they have   the right to continue discharging as I mentioned 
in the very beginning to the extent property you   know accepts water now have to continue accepting 
that water as you designed your foot development   and and I do believe in property rights and I do 
believe that you know you buy property to develop   it to make money to build a house do whatever but 
I also believe in rights of the current property   owners agreed you know I do believe that we have 
to be cautious not to put something in whether   it's in our code whether you could do whatever I I 
think we all have to vote on our conscience too to   know that if we approve something and then these 
residents out here get flooded you know how do I   sleep at night sure knowing that potentially 
we could let's work and figure a way that we   I'm just very concerned that we bring in a lot of 
fill here and what happens it backs up even more   to their property line sure um so I don't know 
how we divert that water away um I'm just very   concerned when you look at the pictures of how 
much water is in their backyard and I know it's   not your responsibility they built that way it's 
not being maintained I get it but I also don't   know how we approve another project until we fix 
what's there I'm just kind of concerned there so I   think I think approving a different set of Rights 
for the property is one of the first steps towards   fixing it because if you look at so looking at the 
the picture that you're referencing here you know   the green area is that b the water body for the 
little Tomoka the area from you know that's that's   not colored in that's just the aerial vegetated 
area from that green  green area to the South   where Old Tomoka Road is that's the area that has 
the current entitlement to come in bring fill in   put 50 units in that's what we're getting rid 
of and so you know to me the far greater impact   would be to continue to allow a condition to exist 
where the rights that exist on that property are   for the area north of Old Tomoka Road to be able 
to come in and fill which they can do under your   code currently designed to a 25-year storm event 
which they can do under your code currently   and build 50 units that are probably 200 ft 
closer to the residence in in Hunter Ridge than   where we're proposing to limit the footprint of 
the development does that make sense it does and   appreciate it I'm just still very concerned of how 
to vote for a project um when we're not mitigating   um the the rights of the current property owners 
there I'm just a little concerned and I know it's   not your responsibility and I get that but sitting 
here here having to vote on a project that could   and I go back to I have a neighbor who's lived in 
his house since 1984 yep you know the house next   to them someone bought they tore it down they 
brought in 26 loads of fill my guess what now my   neighbor floods they put up a concrete wall it's 
great they built a code right but guess what now   the neighbor's flooding he's lived there since 
1984 sure so I have a problem with i i and I get   it are doing to code y'all are doing a better 
project but I'm still struggling that these res   could in have water in their house so I'm just 
and I understand y'all are doing what y'all can   do well but let me let me try and characterize 
this a little bit differently the first step   so so what you're what you're able to do on 
a voluntary basis versus what you're able to   do on an involuntary basis right so with the 
current entitlements we can come in and build   the number of units that we have current 
rights to um and we demonstrate compliance   with your code then um you know you have to you 
have to approve it through that staff process   we're essentially here volunteering to relinquish 
half of that intensity and half of that density   and to far surpass what your code requirements 
are with regard to leaving the property in its   in its natural condition sure um so when you ask 
about how do you address you know the the the how   do you fix that that current problem respecting 
the the property rights that are there now while   respecting the property rights of the current 
residents as well to to not increase impacts   on on them I think when you've got an instance 
where you have you know we've got two Property   Owners right now that are under contract with our 
client Glen Fishman and then the the church sure   um they each have their individual rights we've 
got them signed on to an agreement that will   cut those rights in half and increase the open 
space on the property to 60 keep forgetting the   math 67% sure round round numbers um in exchange 
for clustering the development on the southern   portion of the property that is the high portion 
of the property um to me I think one of the best   things you could do is work with a volunteer with 
a volunteer property own I think some of the   comments that were made you know if you go to 
Troy Kent's uh comments at the at the meeting last   week one of the you know one of the things that he 
said was work with willing sellers on properties   that have been damaged over and over again to 
acquire those properties so that you don't have   recurring flooding issues sure we're not a a 
seller who's sitting here with a house that's been   flooded repeatedly but we're a seller we're 
a we're a property owner here or a couple of   property owners here that have current rights that 
are asking you to restrict those rights and impose   higher standards on this property moving forward 
sure so I mean I to me that's a step in that right   dire no I appreciate what y'all are doing but I'm 
just still questioning sure so this I'm just going   to refer to it as a ditch if you will coming down 
is there any way we could divert that to drain   somewhere else to open it up maybe is there 
any way to any other options the ultimate or   the uh you know discharge point for Hunters Ridge 
Boulevard in that region is is the Little Tomoka   River and I just want to point out that there is 
no proposed improvements within the north side of   the little Tomoka River within our property or 
even on the south side of it within the Wetland   areas we're preserving that entire area so we're 
not hindering that drainage I just want to make   that clear true but that doesn't mean so let me 
let me toss out a suggestion because I think it's   one of the things that strugling you speak in 
the microphone sorry um one of the things that   and I think this is something not just Ormond but I 
think a lot of different places are are struggling   with you know how do we maintain certain areas 
how do we try and improve some of those existing   conditions that exist right now you don't have as 
a community as a city the rights to come in and   do maintenance work on what is private property 
um there's a again you've got a water body going   through this property from east to west you've got 
some you know drainage improvements to the north   that discharge into it but the city doesn't 
necessarily have the legal right to come in   and and do maintenance work or work with the home 
owners associations that exist to do maintenance   work or add other improvements to their system you 
could certainly add that as an easement right to   the development order that you have in front of 
you this evening so if you're looking for that   something extra where those outfalls currently 
tie into this river to provide the city or the   homeowners association or both with the ability 
ility to go through and properly permit and make   some of those improvements if those would be 
effective I think we'd be certainly happy to   do that Mr Mayor commission you done thank you 
um commissioner Briley just a quick question and   Mr Watts you can either answer this or maybe 
Steven can come up so and and and commissioner   Sargent appreciating with everything that you're 
saying um you know this this kind of reminds me   just a little bit it's not the exact situation but 
it's similar to the Tymber Creek Apartments that   were proposed where the the developers said they 
would use the live local act if we did you know   work with them on what they wanted and this is a 
situation where and and Steven you can correct   me if I'm wrong but I think as Mr Watts has has 
indicated they can come in with a multif family   project of 51 units 50 units not have to come 
before the planning board or the city commission   and they're Allowed by right to construct that 
project so it's we can sit here tonight and deny   they're asking and get 50 units and the same 
potential flooding issues or try to work with   or maybe even worse flooding issues I'm not sure 
because it sounds like you can encroach further   into the Wetland area with your 50 units medium 
medium density residential then you're willing   to go with the 31 single family units correct so 
while I have concerns with the flooding and and   the traffic I'm also like if we say no what do you 
get in return and it could be potentially worse um   Randy City attorney thank you mayor um if I can 
I'll try to help uh refocus or focus on on on the   issues one of the things you don't have before 
you this evening are detail construction plans   right that usually follows this so you're kind 
of in infancy stages what makes this proposal   before for you this evening um unique is that 
it's different than most of the projects that   you get why because two of the parcels are 
currently subject to a dri the hunters Rich   dri um they are subject to specific entitlements 
and conditions and those sorts of things um the   other two Parcels are not part of that dri but 
uh they do have zoning and uh use rights and um   a lot of the discussions a lot of the questions 
you've asked are good discussions but it really   comes um in the phase when you talk about the 
details of the construction plans in terms of   the fill and the water flows and where where 
it's going to go right so you're not quite   there with this yet those are really really good 
questions and regardless of whether it's um the   approval of this this measure this evening 
or if it's not approved um it'll have those   questions will have to be addressed as part of 
whatever development application comes in as part   of the hunters Ridge development that does have 
entitlement to up to 50 uh res um is it multif   family or residential multi family multif family 
right and then you've got the one unit per acre   on the the other parcel so you're going to have 
that regardless of whether you do anything with   this or not so one way of looking at it and I 
don't want to get involved in your discussion   but just to kind of maintain the focus on what 
you have is in one sense you're looking at Swap   out um a reduction in the density and the 
intensity of the development storm water   traffic all that's going to be important at the 
phase at which construction plans get provided   before you in order to get there if you're 
interested in approving this project the way   you get there is you have three things before you 
this evening an amendment to The Hunters Rich G   to remove those two Parcels that are subject to 
the 50 multi-unit uh entitlements take those out   combine them through the zoning map Amendment and 
the PRD development which will provide the other   entitlements and restrictions that can be included 
as conditions of that PRD development order and   the planning director can speak more to that but 
that's kind of the essence of what you have this   evening and then when you get into the really meat 
of the of the project that's where those other   questions tend to get fa to doubt and Stephen I 
don't know if you want to addressing that or not Steven Spraker planning director so that was the the 
point of the three steps of the process right   now you're at a zoning document you don't have the 
detailed construction drawings it will come back   before you one of the things we did with a couple 
other subdivisions is we required them to have a   neighborhood meeting at the preliminary plat that's 
not a code requirement but if you're interested   in in presenting the construction draw drawings to 
the neighborhood that's a great way to have that   discussion at a neighborhood meeting then again 
at planning board and then at City commission but   I think the City attorney summarized perfectly 
where you at you're at the very first zoning   document then comes the preliminary plat and then 
comes the final plat Deputy Mayor so I I just need   some clarification if we do not approve the dri 
into this project then they have their own that   dri has its own ability to build out without 
coming to us 50 multif family units and if you   if you listen to the applicant attorneys they 
would they have have the right to do a 25-year   storm versus what they're offering in a 100-year 
storm so I think what they're from what I heard   they're reducing the number of units and they're 
increasing the storm water requirement at a zoning   level and would this project if we if if we 
didn't approve would this project be able to   move forward who who knows I mean it's been since 
1991 and no one's move forward right so I I don't   have a crystal ball but they they do have those 
entitle entitlement rights and do we do we ever I   I'm trying to remember when I was on planning 
I felt like we had a more detailed water St   John's Water Management they usually I I thought 
I remembered they approved a project or they had   recommendations I think we're doing it backwards 
you know I mean we we making a we're we've got   these three things and let's say we approve it 
and we have a few neighborhood meetings and all   of that but it's it's approved and now we have 
water issues and then St John's water management   comes back and says well you know um let's clean 
the ditch and and the question I was going to have   for Mr Watts is the gentleman that's proposing 
this project he was involved I think in the in   the hunters Ridge Project as well and probably 
knows that that River has not been maintained so   it's like it hasn't been maintained for 30 years 
how do we know in good faith that it's going to   be maintained for the new project as well and I 
know I sound like a real bad person up here but   I've got to ask these questions given the context 
of what we've experienced as a community over the   past several years I I think all of your questions 
are completely reasonable Mr Fishman I think is   the gentleman you referring to yes sir he is he's 
listed as as an applicant because he's the trustee   for the seller so if this moves forward and is 
approved he is no longer associated with the   property because it's purchased by Mr lefkowitz 
behind me here who had moved forward with the   actual development so Mr Fishman is listed in 
here simply because he's the current owner of that   North piece north of Old Tomoka Road as trustee 
for I don't remember the name of the the the   full trust but it's he's under contract to sell 
that property and so if this moves forward with   an approval of the proposed development that's 
in front of you now he would sell his interest   would no longer be involved with it whatever his 
his um you know uh issues with Water Management   District or that that the association has with 
the district to the north are really separate   and apart from this particular property as far as 
I'm concerned at this point okay um commissioner Deaton so if this wasn't approved would he still be 
proceeding with the purchase I don't know I don't   know uh it may go forward it could just end up 
with the two owners that you have now between the   church and and the you know and the the trust that 
owns the northern portions and the threat of 51   homes that's just what the existing entitlements 
are right thank you commissioner Sargent thank   you Mr Mayor uh commissioner Briley I appreciate 
your comments with the Timber Creek Apartments   I've voted my conscience cuz I didn't think it was 
right for that area and right now I'm just having   a tough time knowing that we have residents that 
are flooding there and we're willing to put more   fill in and flood them more I I I appreciate that 
it's lower density I appreciate that we're going   lower but I have to sleep at night sure I can't 
sleep at night knowing that they have water coming   in their house after we get 23 in we're approving 
it to 13 in of rain I get it and I I appreciate   uh City attorney uh as well and all the comments 
but I'm just I'm having a hard time knowing that   that we're not doing anything with this piece of 
water that's just backing up in their property   and all it's going to do is get worse but again 
nobody you know nobody standing before you asking   the questions this evening has the rights to do 
anything north of the property boundary sure um so   you know as as Steven and the City attorney both 
both mentioned the way your process works um and   and I can appreciate that sometimes it feels like 
you're you're deciding one question or the answer   to one question before you know all the details 
but let me um see if it it helps to characterize   it this way the point at which we're at now is is 
we're asking the question what should we plan and   design for um and then as the City attorney and 
and the planning director stated you then have a   follow-on process that gets into the details of 
that design um so you know right now your zoning   says we're going to design for one unit per acre 
on the SR portion of the property and 50 units   of density on the dri portions of the property 
that's what your current rights are and you know   all the other rights that are you know under the 
Land Development regulations with regard to to how   it develops um you know tonight we're asking the 
question should it stay that should it stay that   that number of units or should it go to what we're 
proposing and then we get into the detail we'd   be you know Mr Spraker referenced the couple other 
projects where we've done additional neighborhood   meetings we'd be happy to stipulate to those types 
of things as conditions of the development order   but the the base question is what are we going to 
plan for moving forward here and then work with   you and your staff moving forward because the 
process comes back through you how do we plan   it what's the technical detail look like sure 
thank you Deputy Mayor yeah sorry so I don't   mind sharing with you my thoughts that I kind 
of put together earlier and and maybe that will   help us make some decisions on how we want to move 
forward um so I I kind of broke it down um as far   as traffic although the additional housing and a 
church contributed to additional traffic I think   it's pretty solid indication that right now 
a light is not warranted and um I appreciate   the information here with the crashes and all but 
I'm I can sign off with the traffic at this point   um as far as the church I I've heard a lot of 
discussion and residents have reached out whether   there's a need for a church at this location I 
don't believe that's my scope to determine whether   we need a church or not um I also don't believe 
that I should judge on how a church may practice   or their beliefs I've had residents complain about 
their potential beliefs and practices um we all   have our own set of beliefs and practices and we 
live in the United States where we can profess to   have freedom of religion so the church SE for me 
is not a problem either density I appreciate the   fact that it did go down to 31 units um although 
um from the allotted 70 or something and again   like with Timber Creek we were threatened with 
that higher number and I really like you Mr   Watts but I really hate it when you tell us what 
that stupid maximum is it really turns me off so   in future if you would not say that and just 
be real and just say what really you could put   on there and not that number I would appreciate 
that very much um and just as a note because I'm   an environmentalist now um there are five gopher 
burough that have been identified on that property   and that's just for food for thought um now the 
flooding um I visited the area I've walked on   the area The Hunters Ridge property I visualized 
Mucky area around the stream I saw a stream   full of debris and not kept and I've we've talked 
about those violations I think that's an easy fix   um I think that's a fix the HOA could do or or 
the developer or a combination of and I think   that's really important um I did see a stream 
that's not straight those right angles do really   mess up the flow and maybe in the the cleaning 
out of the river you could that River can be   um flowing a little bit better without those 
straight angles um I it did seem to me and I know   you showed me on the map that those last row it's 
not Wetlands but it definitely is Mucky land and   like commissioner Sargent said there will have to 
be a lot of fill in that area that is concerning   um that Culvert under State Road 40 draining 
from the South Side um and there may be an   parent non-disclosed drainage ditch I I don't 
know about that you know these are things you   hear um that all will take water onto that 
property and fill the Little Tomoka River   and back up onto all the remaining the houses 
that are all in Hunter Ridge um you know should   there be a discussion whether there should be 
like a lake system on there you know um water   retained into a lake going into a lake going into 
another discharged into another spot I don't know   I'm not the water expert um given the fact that 
all Volusia has been experiencing flooding I've   talked about this already I'm really leery of the 
proposed development the county is discussing ways   of helping residents and I think that this 
project has potential to add to that problem   um now saying all of that I would be in favor of 
the project if those back row of houses could be   considered eliminated um if that stream and 
that river and debris would be cleaned up and   that [Music] um we could get some type of approval 
or recommendation from St John's water management   and or let the HOA do their own research and 
present that to us as well um and I would like   to avoid any development on the wetlands even 
those little those little tiny areas so those   would be my recommendations you and I'm throwing 
it out there for discussion for you guys at least   a spot to to make some discussion so we can get 
this moving Mr Mayor commissioner Briley I would   concur um with with with some of that um again 
I I I I think and I I appreciate commissioner   Sargent's uh sentiments regarding you know not 
wanting to exacerbate flooding in the area I just   kind of come back to they have entitlements for 
50 medium residential units um with a 25-year   flood plane or 25e storm uh holding capacity 
by St John's um you know I do like the reduced   capacity but again I think we have to remember 
what our City attorney is telling us I think   what our planning director has told us at this 
point we have no plan I mean there's there's no   preliminary plan nor final plant that we would 
get to vote on prior to something actually being   done so I think at this point we're just voting 
if correct me if I'm wrong Randy just kind of   voting on the concept is do we want to remove two 
of these Parcels from The Hunters Ridge dri and   they consider the project is is a whole um as a 
PRD and then we can kind of hammer some of these   other things out as the preliminary plat and 
the final plat come back to us that that that's   correct and one way of looking at it is is you 
know what the the current entitlements are the   current entitlements uh in large part by virtue of 
the hunters reg dri that was approved in 1991 you   can't change that it's a condition of the dri um 
and that's that's what they're allowed to do and   whether they can do the maximum or not don't 
know there's a lot of other factors that come   in St John's the city's own Wetland ordinance 
and and and that sort of thing um this project   is an opportunity to reduce some of that to what 
extent I don't I don't know the challenge in all   these things and we mentioned this earlier is you 
don't have the detailed construction plans because   you don't get there until unless you agree to the 
concept but you do have some numbers um that you   can discuss and that is whether you want to take 
a chance on um that 50 multi-unit development on   the two Parcels in 100 Ridge plus whatever can 
be allowed on the other two Parcels or whether   you want to try to manage the control of that uh 
through some other PRD and if you want to do that   then we have these three steps for you to approve 
this evening and that's really what you're being   asked to consider that answer your question thank 
you Randy um any other discussion here okay well I   guess at that point we'll see if there's a motion 
here so we have we should do it in three we have   to do it one by one so we'll have to do D first 
have Susan um re yes we're going to go to uh uh   D yes and before before you do that you may want 
to have some general discussion as to whether uh   you're in favor of um the proposed project as 
a whole or not if you're not you need to deny   all three of these right you can't approve one 
and then deny the other two they they all travel   together but they have to be print presented 
separately because they just have different   legal requirements good good point yeah so I 
guess we're have to commissioner Sargent until   I have further information from St John's water 
management and I just I I'm a no on this on all three um I ran my campaign on a make 
it Make sense mentality when it comes   to development this doesn't make sense to 
me I'm a no on all three commissioner Briley I mean I do have I've have I have concerns 
with the traffic and I have concerns with the   flooding I just see that this is a potentially 
an opportunity to you know make something better   again because I do understand they have the 
right to develop now there's nothing saying   they're going to develop the 50 medium density 
residential units either but they do have that   ability right now without coming to the planning 
board of this commission so can we ask ask the   developer to look at some of the he's obviously 
heard the concerns you know that we have tonight   can we put this off and have you guys come back 
with a more information regarding the flooding   and the issues that we're talking about I mean I 
don't want to I I agree with um Mr Briley over there   you know we I understand the rights in in in all 
of that and I certainly wouldn't want to put our   city in a bad way you know legally that we're 
saying no when you have entitlements right um   but I agree it doesn't make sense right now so I'm 
wondering if we can just ask you to come back with   a better plan so so I think there sorry I mean 
this is the the gentleman that wants to buy the   property right yes can we ask him if he's going to 
proceed with the sale if it doesn't get approved I'm Howard leitz 1315 out BTA Drive Winter Park 
Florida I've probably developed something close   to 20,000 Lots in my career and I'm getting too 
old to fight a whole lot okay we came with this   project I don't know year and a half two years ago 
we started looking at it and we did assessment as   to what could really go on it what the zoning was 
what the entitlements were and we really started   almost with 120 units it says you know you nuts 
just doesn't work it's not going to make it's not   going to make sense I was even knowing before any 
of the economic excuse me any of the environmental   issues were even brought to bear so you got a 
certain amount of acreage what can you do with   it the we went back and did I think no less than 
three different concepts and then we dropped it we   went to the sellers and we said look there's no 
economics that makes sense in all this we still   do this for an economic benefit not obviously for 
ourselves but we also take a great deal of pride   in doing whatever it does uh that's a benefit 
to the community I'm got no modesty about saying   that from anything I've ever done we dropped it 
about uh 9 months ago we went back to the sellers   uh and said look the only thing we can really see 
happening with this is basically in some substance   what you see before you tonight there's been no 
less than I think three presentations to staff   where we get their feedback on what the issues 
are and we've redesigned and we've redesigned   and the latest redesigned which I think was after 
either the third or maybe the fourth time through   was to remove that culdesac head at the top of 
the community that was the last what we thought   was pragmatic request in dealing with how this whole 
program should work brought we dropped it whatever   it was couple hundred feet further back from the 
river we have invested I don't know something in   the neighborhood of $330,000 in environmental 
assessment the latest report of which we had   at four in a meeting at 4:00 this afternoon to 
understand what the mitigation probabilities   will be in dealing with the St John's riverwater 
Management District we now have an understanding   in for what that is the issues that yall have I 
understand totally believe me I I've heard it a   great deal more at my age I've heard it a great 
deal more than the number of times y'all put   it before your other developers that's that's 
come before you and all of the arguments that   my professionals have made are as legitimate and 
straight and down the line as is anything else we   can be we cannot change what nature basically has 
created when I listen to the three gentlemen in   the back show talk about the issues they have and 
show you the pictures of their property where it's   been flooded yeah their property has flooded but 
nobody goes back and says look your houses didn't   flood and that was really the original concept 
that the design the original design of their   projects that yeah you're going to have periods of 
time that you just can't predict you're going to   have hurricanes you're going to have time when 
water's going to come up to your backyards but   the whole concept and your streets will flood okay 
but the idea is to keep your properties drying and   in fact that's what happened now it's that going 
to happen in the future I'm going I I can't in in   my lifespan I don't remember a hurricane I think 
hurricane Donna in 1960 which was an earlier part of   my lifespan we had major major flooding across 
the entire Central Florida area I I just moved   into Orlando at that point in time as a kid 
in that point in time Orange County and those   areas went back and they created a whole series 
of canals and dug things out and since that time   other than some very low areas that were were uh 
uh constructed way back when problems got solved   the same problems are evolving all through here 
I can't help what Nature has basically laid out   there what we said is what can we do to mitigate 
it as far as we possibly can well the first and   most obvious thing is to move as far back from the 
river and the drainage areas as we can I can't help   what flowing in from the north I didn't even know 
about that until it came up for discussion tonight   the second thing we can do is say look yall 
designed a 25 year why don't we design upwards   we know it's probably going to come through a lot 
of the other uh uh communities around you and it I   can't imagine them coming in with something like 
above a 100 year but let's say let's go from 25   to 100 Year okay what does that mean yeah we're 
going to put more dirt in there okay but it also   doesn't change the fact even with more dirt we've 
still got to retain the amount of drainage that   conceptually is designed for the area we can't let 
drainage run off above that and now it's measured   to 100 Year rather than 25 year I don't know a 
better way to do it I honest to goodness don't and   and I think your your question Mr Sargent which 
what do we do to prevent this stuff from happening   ms Tolland that what can we do to make the world a better 
place from development standpoint I don't know how   else to go about it we've reduced our density 
in the impact of the area we've increased the   flood levels to accommodate that we volunteered 
to at least look at the drainage systems along   the river and see if we can help clean that out 
a little bit but I'm I'm just I'm just not sure   what else to do so if you're question to me am 
I going to go forward and close this purchase of   this property for 31 Lots I mean typically I do 
nothing less than 300 Odd Lots the last thing I   did was in Hunters Ridge which is 322 lots and 
St under the St John's District our particular   section uh they call us periodically and say you 
need to clean out this that or the other and our   association before it was turned over I went back 
and cleaned out this and and the other we met   the obligations we were mandated to meet and our 
association is structured after I'm gone and which   I am now gone to to meet those obligations this 
is no different there's going to be obligations   put onto this property by the Water Management 
District through the homeowners association which   we will create to have a mechanism for looking 
after the permitted obligations that's what we   do we've done it I hate to tell you for 40 some 
odd years actually it's closer to 50 years and   there not many of them that I can't look back and 
say we didn't do it the right way that's all I can   tell you if y'all don't want to approve this thing 
for what we put on the table the probability is   I'm just going to drop it I'll walk away from I 
won't tell you how much but a significant amount   of money that we've already put into trying to get 
to the point that we've gotten to if you want to   approve it we'll go ahead and continue with the 
process of working as much as we can with the   district with our environmentalists and with y'all 
and your staff to try to make this thing work the   way you want it to work I wouldn't close it if 
I didn't have confidence that if you approve it   tonight and we move forward to the next steps of 
it that we couldn't accommodate your concerns in   the next steps but there's only so much from 
a practical standpoint that we can do we can   commit to we'll do the best we can that's all I 
can tell you thank you commissioner Deaton you have   a question okay um all right so right now we're 
you know discussing right now is either all or or   some on the ordinances here and right now uh 
commissioner Sargent has indicated no for three   on all three and commissioner Deaton um I'm just 
wondering if we can just put a hold on it and   put it until we talk to St John's water management 
or the HOA Randy what what what can we do here so   um I mean I want want to do it the right way right 
understand that I think everybody is sharing your   same concerns based on what I'm hearing to some 
extent you have a bag full of apples and oranges   and you're you're trying to put them together to 
make the best project that you can you have two   options you do nothing in which case the property 
stay in a current state and the two Parcels that   are in Hunter Ridge will stay there and maybe at 
some point uh in the future somebody will file   an application uh to develop um those part Parcels 
under the existing entitlements which youve you've   heard about maybe that won't happen don't know 
um and then the other Parcels on the southern   portion that are in the SLDR they have I think uh 
one unit um per acre I think it is so you can add   the numbers up and you're going to get to roughly 
67 or 70 versus um roughly 30 here um The Hunters   Ridge dri is subject to a completely separate 
separate set of conditions and you know this well   from what we went through last year right so if if 
uh through the development of Hunter Ridge and in   in in the northern portion they're not meeting 
some of the flooding requirements uh Wetland   requirements St John's will make them they'll 
take the enforcement action to make sure that they   clean that up that's not really anything we have 
any control over um I've dealt with St John's last   year on some of the others Hunters Ridge issues 
that we were having um they take their jobs very   seriously I do I do know that but they operate 
separately from the city I'm just not sure what   it is from St John's um you might want to get that 
could help you reach a decision point on what's   before you this this evening um gotta ultimately 
it's your decision to make you know it either   stays where it's at in their current uh locations 
with the current entitle so to speak or um you   know you approve something that you might be able 
to manage and control a a little bit more and   that's ultimately your decision to make and that's 
really the best advice I can give you I'm sorry   thanks Randy you're no help well I mean everyone 
I got to agree that there's so many concerns and   so many layers and uh and I can understand the 
you I've lived through it I mean I've lived   in communities where you know we we built and 
property owners and all this other stuff and then   homes that didn't flood flooded and uh so I can 
really appreciate all that um it's a definitely   a tough thing but like uh the City attorney said 
that you know there's other issues that can go   with this um later on with the property rights for 
one property and then you know what can they do   with the other properties later um well I guess 
a question if I may just for Steven real quick so   let's just say let's take the Dri The Hunters Ridge 
Dri Parcels out and let's just say nothing were   changed tonight the two Parcels to the South that 
are Zone SLDR someone could come in just like they   could with the Hunters Ridge properties correct 
and come in and do one unit per acre through   a staff approval and not have to come before 
necessarily have to come before the planning   board and commission correct the the the church 
could come in as a special exception for all   our port or portion of those two Parcels right so 
that's one option right so that that's a special   exception and that Suburban residential someone 
could take the the land and do one unit per acre   it would be more of a technical review still comes 
to you as a preliminary and final plot right but   you you're just reviewing whether or not they 
meet the minimum or they can do a plan residential   development for the land south of Tomoka and be back 
before a neighborhood meeting plan more and City   commission those those are the options I would see 
I and I guess the reason I asked that question is   I just kind of like having the idea of having more 
control over what happens out there than than not   can we put the map up there that has the um the 
numbers where this is where the church was this   is where the dri land I don't remember where it's 
no it was like in the very beginning of Steven's presentation right there yeah so what which what 
is the dri what numbers see one and two one and   two okay how many acres is that 30.4 6 30.4 6 Shawn 
does the city need any water retention areas out there I think they for the same reason that they AR 
developing because we would be able to BU no I'm   not saying develop but I'm just saying keep it as 
it it's it's we property it's yeah that's what I'm   saying and it's it's I think you you got the the 
floodway there as well which is is usually and I   believe by our code off limits to development as 
well so so I'm not talking development I'm talking   re keeping it retaining As Natural for water 
retention I don't believe it would hold give   us any providing any benefit benefit for water 
retention above and beyond what it's already   doing and what what what it would be doing in the 
plan that just presented and my my take on it is   those two Parcels would be where the least amount 
of the development would actually be you just got   pretty much the one row of houses the most the 
bulk of the develop would be on the southern two   Parcels is that correct Steven yeah um it's like 
one row of houses just one row yeah uh Randy you   want to say something yeah yes sir thank you uh Mr 
Mayor um it's having an hour a little difficulty   following the my thoughts yeah me too the thing 
you need to keep in mind Parts one or two up on   the map here those are subject to development 
conditions under the dri all right so that's   that's where they're at uh that's where they're at 
today in a lesson until they change so um you know   if those properties stay in a dri uh they can be 
developed in accordance with the dri subject to   whatever conditions might apply at the time um and 
then that would come back before you right so um   I just wanted to remind you because I wasn't 
sure where you're going with the weap retention   stuff so I was just hoping that maybe um we 
wouldn't approve the dri and we could just   leave it maybe the city would want to purchase it 
and leave it well it it is it is currently in the   okay so maybe we the city would be interested in 
purchasing that portion and then they can develop   the front the front edge part of the church and 
some I'm just I'm just trying to be thinking on   my feet creative up here whatever other options 
we had understand but my my purpose is to make   sure that you stay within the guard rails 
and the guard rails is is that you got legal   requirements okay um as it relates to amending a 
dri doing a zoning map Amendment and improving   a PRD development order right so you get too far 
beyond that i' got to bring you back in and kind   of refocus you and I expect that so thank you 
I'm good with that commissioner Deaton can we table this well um I would think we need date certain 
re so I guess my question is what would be the   purpose of tabling it well as commissioner Tolland 
said you know let's hear from St John's management   but like what Randy said what what information 
are we trying to get from them except for what   go ahead I'm sorry say I think I think one of 
the difficulties you have so I think that you   were heading in the direction of what I was going 
to ask which is what what are we looking for from   St John's because the next step in the process 
is to get into the process with St John's and   develop that additional information but 
I have very few clients that will spend   the money to do that on the hope that they may 
have a project versus knowing that they have a   set of things that are approved that we're 
now planning for I said a few minutes ago   you know the the point we are in the in the 
process is what are we going to plan for and   then how do we technically plan for it and 
design it so I don't think tabling it really   achieves anything because then we just get 
to do another night just like this talking   about the same Project without any additional 
information because we can't justify the cost   of going into full design with St John's without 
knowing that you have something to design for so   that's the that's the problem we have okay 
so if we're not tabling I'm still a no yeah   can I ask another question sure would your client 
be interest would he be willing to eliminate that   back row yeah I think because you're only 
talking about 31 units is got doesn't make sense okay so we're back to well I think it 
sounds like here that's one of those either   All or Nothing um for the three items right is 
that right Randy pretty much yes sir okay so um   you know we could either can we uh um vote on 
all three of them or do we have to go through   each ordinance we didn't read all the other 
ordinances yet okay okay so we're on D been on   D for a while here um at this point we've talked 
to everybody we've had discussions we had speakers   um we just don't have any motions at this point 
um but we need a motion um for an approval and   then any other discussion and we kind of you 
know move on from there to the next one on 8 day move approval second call a vote um 
now you have to call any other discussion   okay good um City clerk please call the 
vote commissioner Tolland no commissioner   Sargent no commissioner Deaton no 
commissioner Briley no mayor Leslie no all right we're going to move on to 
uh e uh city clerk can you please read   the title ORDINANCE NO. 2025-10: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING PARAGRAPH C, OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, OF SECTION 2-01, ESTABLISHED, OF ARTICLE 1, ESTABLISHMENT OF ZONING DISTRICTS AND OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, OF CHAPTER 2, DISTRICT AND GENERAL REGULATIONS, OF THE CITY OF ORMOND BEACH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BY AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE FOUR PARCELS OF REAL PROPERTY TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 50.14 ACRES, LOCATED NORTH OF WEST GRANADA BOULEVARD AND EAST OF SHADOW CROSSINGS BOULEVARD (VOLUSIA COUNTY PARCEL NUMBERS: 4127-00-00-0011, 4127-00-00-0015, 4127-00-00-0019, AND 4127-00-00-0023) FROM SR, SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, TO PRD, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT; AUTHORIZING REVISION OF OFFICIAL ZONING MAP; REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  this is the first reading of ordinance   number 2025-10 read by title only um 
I don't think we need Steven to come   back up right since we discussed a lot of 
this okay is there a second second second   okay um you got it Susan any uh discussion uh 
city clerk please call the vote commissioner   Sargent no commissioner Deaton no commissioner 
Briley no commissioner Tolland no mayor Leslie no city clerk please read the title for 8f 
ORDINANCE NO. 2025-11: AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING A DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE KNOWN AS THE “LITTLE TOMOKA VILLAGE” SUBDIVISION; PROVIDING FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF 31 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, A LOT FOR A HOUSE OF WORSHIP, AND AN AMENITIES BUILDING, ON APPROXIMATELY 50.14 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF WEST GRANADA BOULEVARD AND EAST OF SHADOW CROSSINGS BOULEVARD (VOLUSIA COUNTY PARCEL NUMBERS: 4127-00-00-0011, 4127-00-00-0015, 4127-00-00-0019, AND 4127-00-00-0023); ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS AND EXPIRATION OF APPROVAL; AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED THERETO; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  this is the first reading of 
ordinance number 2025-11 read by title only   move approval second discussion then I I do 
have a question so is this right here is this   the frontage properties of off State Road no no 
this is the house of worship and the oh this is   the whole project never mind y got it you got you 
got to deny this this this would be a practical   impossibility if you prove I got it yes yes um 
City clerk can you please call a vote commissioner   Deaton no commissioner Briley no commissioner 
Tolland no commissioner Sargent no mayor Leslie no thank you for your time this evening 
appreciate it okay thank you um before   we move on does anybody in the Dias to use a 
break or anything or we okay to go okay okay   okay moving on to 8G uh City clerk please 
read the title RESOLUTION NO. 2025-44:  A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND ISSUANCE OF A DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REDEVELOPMENT PLAN REGARDING “SUNBROS COFFEE” PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AT 14 SOUTH YONGE STREET; ESTABLISHING CONDITIONS AND EXPIRATION DATE OF APPROVAL; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE. uh good evening Steven spraker this is a special 
exception Redevelopment plan at 14 South young   it is just south of the intersection of US1 and 
Granada Boulevard previously it was a vehicle   sales um dealership um the dealership has gone 
out of business there's a desire for Sun Bros   coffee to go into the site the site is extremely 
non-conforming primarily at a lot with um so they   did the best they could in terms of meeting all 
the requirements what they could not meet is the   side yard landscape plantings it' be required 
12ft they can provide 3 feet which is one of the   reasons they went through the landscape waiver 
they are reducing the overall um impervious area   from 95% down to 75% so there is Landscaping on 
on site the second item they're seeking a waiver   for is two wall signs totaling 41 Square ft the 
Land Development code would allow one sign at   10 square feet the planning board did recommend 
approval of this item 6 to0 and the applicant   is here if there are any questions do any any 
questions for Steven okay for transparency can   you just state exactly what can go there 
if we were to vote Yes or No all the uses   in the B4 Zoning District okay so restaurants 
office retail the challenge with this parcel   is a limited lot width has a lot of lot debt but 
very limited lot width is currently non-conforming   right correct okay and currently it's a rundown 
building it is yes  uh commissioner Sargent   and it's drive-thru only correct there's no walk 
up correct okay thank you um I have a question s   for you Steven um the telephone pole that's in 
that driveway entrance is that is there any plans   on maybe moving that or so I did speak briefly 
with the engineer and at this time there is no   um there's no removal of that pole at this 
time they will look with f pnl to see if it   does um cause any obstacles but the site plan 
does not call call for the removal of that pole   okay and the engineers here if you have 
any additional questions um does anybody   want to speak to the engineer or the uh 
with the applicant no I move approval second okay um any discussion 
besides that okay uh City Clerk   please call the vote commissioner Briley 
yes commissioner Tolland yes commissioner   Sargent yes commissioner Deaton yes mayor 
Leslie yes I will now close the public hearings 9A uh city clerk please 
read the title ORDINANCE NO. 2025-05: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 2-223, CITIZENS’ LAW ENFORCEMENT ADVISORY BOARD, OF ARTICLE VI, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, AND OTHER AGENCIES, OF CHAPTER 2, ADMINISTRATION, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, BY AMENDING THE COMPOSITION; BY REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE. date this is the second reading of ordinance 
number 2025-05 read by title only move approval second any discussion no uh city clerk 
please call the vote commissioner Tolland   yes commissioner Sargent yes commissioner Deaton 
yes commissioner Briley yes mayor Leslie yes   9B ORDINANCE NO. 2025-06: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 2-221, LEISURE SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD, OF ARTICLE VI, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND OTHER AGENCIES, OF CHAPTER 2, ADMINISTRATION, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, BY AMENDING COMPOSITION AND TERMS; PROVIDING TERMS AND CONDITIONS; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  this is the 
second reading of ordinance number 2025-06 read   by title only move approval second discuss 
see none uh city clerk please call the vote   commissioner Sargent yes commissioner Deaton yes 
commissioner Briley yes commissioner Tolland yes   mayor Leslie yes 9C ORDINANCE NO. 2025-07: AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 2-224, QUALITY OF LIFE ADVISORY BOARD, OF ARTICLE VI, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, AND OTHER AGENCIES, OF CHAPTER 2, ADMINISTRATION, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING THE COMPOSITION; REPEALING ALL INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF; AND SETTING FORTH AN EFFECTIVE DATE this is the second reading of ordinance 
number 2025-07 read by title only approval second discussion see none uh call 
the vote please commissioner Deaton   yep commissioner Briley yes commissioner Tolland 
yes commissioner Sargent yes mayor Leslie yes now we'll move on to uh staff and commission 
reports suggestions and requests starting with   city manager Joyce Shanahan thank you Mr Mayor just 
thank you Mr Mayor just a couple of items um   want to bring to your attention that um fdot is 
beginning to prepare their roadway resurfacing   project from Sr A1A from Granada Boulevard to the 
north city limits it's this project is similar to   the project on south of Granada Boulevard makes 
a number of safety and operational enhancements   including a new 10-ft shared path on the west 
side of A1A the addition of turn lanes at the   intersection of Neptune which we think we can 
all appreciate it as necessary because that's   where everybody accesses the beach and a number 
of rectangular rapid flashing beacon crosswalks   throughout the corridor that make for safe travel 
a couple of events I want to put on your calendar   the Doug Thomas way ribbon cutting will be 
held on um January 27th at 4:30 p.m. at Hall   Road this project will  this program will 
consist of a welcome by Robert Carolyn remarks   by various guests and speakers a speech by Doug 
Thomas and the ribbon cutting all are welcome   to attend Ormond Beach Performing Arts Center 
openhouse open house January 25th from 10: to 2:   a.m. 2 pm 2 am would be a real party um this event 
is free and open to the public and it gives us a   chance to showcase um our redone uh Pac after the 
fire and then last but not least show and tell shop   at the environmental Discovery Center um come and 
enjoy um and learn about 20 native plants suitable   for for front yard planting in any neighborhood 
the native plants featured by host Katie trip   will be offered for sale at the event on Saturday 
January 25th that's all I have for tonight I had   a lot more but I can keep that and if you have 
any questions for me I'm happy to answer them   thank you Joyce you're welcome assistant city 
manager Shawn Finley nothing additional have a   good night thank you Shawn uh City attorney Randy 
good night thank you good night um this evening   we'll start with commissioner Sargent thank 
you Mr Mayor I will start off uh while this is   a late meeting tonight I have a lot um I received 
multiple emails regarding fluoride and our water as   I'm sure probably everyone did up here um so I'll 
start off with uh back in November November 22nd   2024 our state Surgeon General issued um guidance 
for us to remove fluoride from our water um since   that time Sebring Florida live o Florida Winter 
Haven Florida Stewart Florida Naples Florida   Florida Point Port St Lucy Lake Alfred Palm Bay 
niceville Melbourne and Imokeely Florida all have decided   to remove fluoride I know commissioner Kent 
started this many many years ago where he sent   certified letters to all the companies that were 
providing fluoride to municipalities asking um for   a breakdown of what the chemicals were that we are 
putting in our Waters he got zero responses zero   no one told us what was in this that we're putting 
in our water system because that's what we've been   doing since the 50s um I think a lot has changed 
since the ' 50s I think we are seeing the results   of this chemical in our water what it's doing to 
our um uh our children just the long-term effects   that we are just now seen I know that we only 
put in the very minimum amount but I would like   to make a motion that we immediately halt putting 
fluoride in our water in the city of Ormond Beach   is there a second for that I would Mo I would 
entertain a second if we were add some guidance   All Eyes down here right was there a question 
for us that to go on agenda so I I think since   this is a policy directive it doesn't necessarily 
need to be on an agenda because you're not really   expending any money um if um you do have a Cod e
provision drives from the 50s that requires you   to put it in there so the question then is if your 
desire is to no longer at for of the water um as   a kind of a policy director staff uh is it also 
your desire that we bring back an amendment to the   ordinance to to eliminate that as a requirement 
um now benefit to that is is that just because   it's eliminated uh doesn't necessarily mean that 
you can't change your mind at some point in the   future and then put it back in right um it just 
kind of takes away the Mandate so to speak but   if you're at the point now where you're thinking 
from a policy perspective Direction staff is we   don't want you to do this then you probably should 
amend your ordinance to eliminate that is require   you want me to add that to my motion uh no we can 
take that as a Direction so I think that's that's   perfectly fine but if you want to make a motion 
to direct staff not to add it then that's that's   good too I don't think I need to change anything 
yall have Direction effective one immediately immediately it may wait till tomorrow 
morning right but I will I operator and   out what the practicable time to as soon as 
practicable is that is that a fair statement   to make that is perfect okay is everyone else in 
agreement with this I think it's a great idea but   I think what has to what should happen as well 
is there needs to be an education component and   that where will be where Miss Elston comes into 
play you know why we are eliminating it and   the one thing that we have what you didn't say 
um commissioner Sargent is that since the 50s   now all toothpaste is FL FL fluoridated when you 
go to a dentist they do fluoride treatments so   there's just other there's other mechanisms of 
getting that fluoride but I think education is   really important and I agree we could take it out 
of the water yeah uh commissioner Deaton um so all   I had on my comments tonight was regarding the 
before we go on um with regard to the education   requirement I don't really know it is that you 
want us to say cause I'm not qualified to say those   things well I I think that everybody expects 
that there's fluoride in the water now so maybe   making a statement that we will be removing it 
for and then you can for the reasons that the   health department that study you could use the 
the information from the the study or should I   would be removing it at the direction of the 
commission that's what I would be doing okay   that's that's fine that's fine we need do we need 
a call vote do we need a vote or a Voice vote or   is the direction okay probably Voice vote I would 
think Randy do we need to do a voice Vote or do   a roll of you know what are we voting on now um 
Mo to move for I think that would be appropriate   for purposes of Staff Direction so that they know 
decisively what the policy directive is going to   be and then we can bring back a a an amendment to 
the ordinance um okay second part of that so okay   um want to do a voice Vote or should we have a 
call to city clerk city clerk will have you call   the vote okay commissioner Briley yes commissioner 
Tolland yes commissioner Sargent yes commissioner   Deaton yes mayor Leslie yes um and you're still 
on your comments there yes I'm just getting   started um I'd also would like to say that um the 
community lost a great resident Miss Boyle passed   away a couple weeks go at 99 the mother of Jeff 
Boyle and Janice Boyle so I just wanted to put that   out there um our website's going to be updated 
soon I think Q2 will be able to watch at home   hopefully and the internet will the website will 
be redesigned that we've been waiting on so that's   um looking forward to that um this past week 
we attended Arbor Day we had a couple events at   the environmental Discovery Center and also at um 
Rockefeller Gardens and I got to tell you the fire   department showed up I don't know where the police 
department was but the fire department showed they   were Captain was there uh the chief was there but 
I didn't see any officers so I don't know maybe it   was a busy day on the streets and they couldn't 
attend but I just wanted to throw that out there   it was nice to see see them there um we also 
attended um the Ormond Beach historic society's   49th annual meeting uh was a good lunch in and if 
y'all don't know this our mayor has some lineage   that is uh connected to James Ormond I think it 
was your great great great great great great   grandfather came over on the boat with him so I 
think that's something that the resident should   should know um yesterday was it yesterday yes 
yesterday uh commissioner deputy mayor uh Tolland   and I attended the annual Dr Martin Luther King 
breakfast celebration I think all the staff was   there the police department did show up for that 
the fire department and I got to tell I have to   go to B bad for the PD they're always there you 
just don't always see them I know I just had to   give a shout out to the the fire department this 
week um and I got to tell yall if y'all can find   the video of this young man Aiden Bond who did the 
Dr Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech you   talk about powerful this young man I think he was 
sixth grade God he was amazing I mean the whole   crowd was kind of talking when he spoke it got 
quiet I mean he get got the attention of everyone   and if y'all can find that on online I highly 
encourage you um to do so it was very powerful um I've had some questions about the our form 
of government and I just would like to go over   just a couple things um as we're getting into new 
season here our form of government in the city of   Ormond Beach is different than like Orlando Orlando 
their mayor runs the city of Ormond in Ormond Beach   we have a manager form of government where our 
city manager and our Charter dictates that our   city manager and our city of attorney run the 
day-to-day operations of the city it in the in   the organizational chart it starts off obviously 
with the citizens of Ormond Beach who elect the   city commission and the mayor and then we elect 
the city manager the City attorney and the city   manager obviously elects the department 
heads and it and it flows down um the city   commission we're a collective body we formulate um 
formulation of the city's vision and goals policy   direction to staff and ensures the city's 
Financial Health the city manager's responsibility   is the organizational leadership and delivery of 
services facilitates the commission's vision and   goals effective and efficient implementation of 
policies and development of the annual budget this   effective relationship which is mutual respect 
Plus open communication plus trust that is why   we are so good in the city of Ormond Beach um 
had a couple other little things here I wanted   to highlight sorry it's jumping around I'll just 
move on so essentially we all work together as a   team up here not one person not um one you know it 
takes three people to move anything in the city of   Ormond so I just wanted to put that out there um 
just so everyone is aware with that being said   Mr Mayor I'm very pleased to see that you're 
doing coffee with the residents it's awesome   I think it's a start for our residents to have 
a place to come and and meet you and um be able   to voice their concerns but I have a couple 
questions councilman Kent did this and it was   called coffee with a commissioner but he did it at 
his house and it was a time where people came over   he brewed coffee he had donuts and they talked 
about whatever I just have a couple questions   with coffee with the mayor it's going to be held 
in a city building so I have a couple questions   for staff and like I said I think this is a great 
idea I look forward to it being implemented I hope   it starts a pattern for Mayors to come but I just 
want to get it all um up front and to make sure   we're not missing anything um so I don't know the 
format um is if direction is being given to staff   that would be a policy thing where it would have 
to be the commission so I don't know if it's going   to be an open Forum um and you can answer this in 
your comments I'm just throwing things out there   and um I guess question for Randy City attorney 
with this being held in a city facility and do   does it need to be properly noticed in the 
paper or is it okay the way we're doing it   um I don't know the details of the copy with 
the mayor um you know it really would depend   on the form and function and purpose of uh of of 
a meeting um I think um generally um speaking um   I think the manager will tell you if a member 
of the commission wants to use the space in   City Hall what whatever they'll they'll make that 
accommodation that's that's fine sure um if it if   it's a bigger footprint so to speak and it's more 
of an event and um you know policy discussions and   that might be something of a bigger discussion for 
the commission to give direction and that sort of   thing so it's kind of mix bag it probably just is 
going to depend on the particular circumstances   it could go either way so okay well I'm I'm just 
happy that it's getting going I just want to make   sure that if we need to put anything in place 
that we're just doing it proper and that it's   hopefully something that lasts for like I said 
Mayors to to follow yes um so if I may in the   past each mayor commissioner has done something 
a little bit different um so it's not unusual   for us to allow someone to say use the lobby of 
the pac and invite people in there to um answer   questions about the Pac and show case of City 
facility that's not an unusual request and so I   granted that request because we have from time 
to time done that for others now if they were   going to use the stage and have 500 people that's 
a entirely different thing because I can't I would   have to staff that I'd have to run the theater um 
and I don't want to speak for the mayor but I can   share with you our discussion was that he would 
like to Showcase various City facilities such as   the PAC or the environmental Discovery and have 
coffee with the mayor at those facilities without   much of us doing anything except making sure this 
facility is ready that's that's the extent of   staff's involvement sure and I'm fine with it like 
I said I just want to make sure that if we need   to put anything procedurally in place that we just 
do it properly and do it up front um ahead of time   um one last item I would like to give a shout 
out to Officer Rick Taylor he recently worked on   three traffic fatality cases and all three were 
sentenced this month and all were convicted and   will receive well we be receiving prison time 
um so great job to him and his hard work so and   with that at 10:35 I'll say good night thank you 
commissioner Sargent uh commissioner Deaton thank   you so the majority of my comments related to 
the fluoride um the only things I wanted to add   in because you you did a great job commissioner 
Sargent um I did speak with somebody at our water   treatment facility and I asked his opinion and he 
said you know the sentiment of flouride's been in the   water since the 1950s when people did not go to 
the dentist very often um people go to the dentist   more so two times a year now and they get their 
fluoride there so I followed up with my dentist   and I asked his opinion and he said you know I 
like fluoride he said with that being said I'd   be fine with it not being in our water as long as 
people get their Dental treatments so um with that   being said I'm definitely in favor of that um 
let's turn it to our fire department you know I   love my fire department and I'm looking forward to 
your banquet this weekend um however I would love   to give a shout out to our PD you've been doing 
a fabulous job with my um my homeless camps and   I just want to give you a shout out with that and 
with that have a good night thank you commissioner   Deaton uh commissioner Briley thank you Mr Mayor um 
just to highlight a couple events I did I do know   that commissioner Sargent touched on the uh Ormond 
Beach historical society's uh annual luncheon uh   over at the Anderson Price Building various honories 
and uh the Historical Society always does a good   job of keeping our Ormond Beach history alive um I 
also attended the the Wilson gala and that was at   the the the Hard Rock Hotel and that was uh one of 
the things that was just kind of special about the   Wilson Gala this year is they uh they honored nil 
Deus who was the architect or for the actually the   sculptor rather for the Mary Bethune statue 
that stands a statutory Hall in Washington DC   and what was kind of neat about that was yesterday 
when they had the Congressional luncheon after the   um inauguration statutory Hall you could actually 
see nilda's Statue of Mary McLeodd Bethune kind of   up promly displayed in in the hall or actually 
on TV so that was kind of neat um attended the   Ormond Beach Memorial Arts Museum dinner um a they had 
three honories this year actually had four honories   Susan Anderson was the Mary Jane Mcswain Garden 
volunteer award recipient this year uh Linda   King was the Ormond Memorial Art Museum champion won 
the Ormond Beach Memorial Art Museum Champion award   and Ray and Sherry gayy were the philanthropists 
of the year so congratulations to those folks   um attended the Arbor Day celebration as as 
commissioner Sargent touched on uh both at   the environmental Discovery Center and at the 
the Rockefeller Gardens uh it was great to hear   of the guest speakers at both uh locations um 
attended the Tiger Bay uh dinner honoring Hyatt   Brown and everything Hyatt Hyatt was actually 
the uh the initial or the first founders award   winner from Tiger Bay so congratulations to to 
the Browns and uh I do want to I would be remiss   if I didn't touch on uh the passing of Mrs Boyle 
commissioner Boyle we uh our hearts are with you   and uh our prayers also uh our community lost 
another great person uh who's been very active   and been here many many years Mr Jim Culver passed 
away so I'd like to remember Mr Culver and uh with   that Mr Mayor I'll say good night thank you thank 
you commissioner Briley uh deputy mayor Tolland   thank you and um I'll just go quickly on these 
things so there were actually three Arbor   Day Celebrations um in addition to the two you 
mentioned Garden Club of Halifax Country the one   I belong to um also planted a tree at Hope place 
and it was really cool to see the city celebrate   trees um you're right Aiden at the MLK celebration 
was just phenomenal um but really was more special   even than that was that all our residents 
came together and celebrated Dr King and they   celebrated through prayer through dance through 
music through breakfast it was well attended and   very much enjoyed and if you've never been in this 
format it is absolutely amazing I felt like I went   to church um since the last commission meeting um 
our city has been busy celebrating the Star Story   Night at the Museum the McDonald Stout House and 
the casements the the Ormond Memorial Art Museum   Awards dinner was enjoyed that uh commissioner 
Briley discussed uh City Hall um hosted the   service Academy Awards that same night I did miss 
that but I'm sure it was it was amazing to see our   young people um receive their accommodations 
and the historical societal annual meeting um   I did um Mayor Miller did mention that we um the 
mayor and myself attended the regional Roundtable   two-day meeting um up in St Augustine area I 
did attend the Volusia County elected Roundtable   a regrow the loop meeting Volusia League of cities 
board meeting the YMC YMCA Gala and the civic   league annual dinner it was a very very busy 
January um just to make note Florida forever   mission is to preserve important natural areas 
1,335 Acres have been expanded to 9,400 acres   the preservation areas that have recently been 
included are part of the Volusia conservation   Corridor um I appreciate staff looking into the 
fluoride and and commissioner Sargent thank you   for um making that initiative up there I think we 
all agree that that's a that's a good thing for   our citizens and I also want to end with kudos 
to Troy Kent for his leadership in the county   relating to the flooding issues he was brilliant 
to suggest the following ideas no more building   on Wetlands developers will not be allowed to 
pay into Wetland mitigation Banks All County   and City canals must be cleaned and maintained 
put in place an aggressive but realistic plan   to purchase low-lying homes and low-lying land 
that consistently flood have a discussion on   placing Retention Ponds on County owned land 
located near flood prone areas and speak with   the cities regarding apartment complexes of course 
these are all great these are good ideas that all   are worthy of discussion and um with that I'll 
say good night that's it thank you uh Deputy   toen um so it's been a long night um I won't get 
into some of the things I was going to talk about   just for time reasons but I did want to thank uh 
Deputy Tolland for uh reading some proclamations in   my absence um greatly appreciate it I saw the 
photos look like you guys had a great time um   there is a a meeting I had last week with some 
staff about the mayor's fitness challenge um you   know we're going to try to make some uh little bit 
changes to make it more fun and exciting I won it   last year thank you for that we're the same age 
so we're going to be competing this year though   um so uh one of the things I I we talked about 
was getting the elected officials a little more   involved and uh so uh just to give you an example 
I played basketball when I was younger so we're   going to like do May basketball with the mayor 
so if there's anything that you you like doing   that you did when you're younger um let it let 
staff know but I think it would be really kind   of fun and exciting to get the elected officials 
involved um so we were really excited about it   and we're going to open it up to people that 
are not just residents we're going to open up   to everybody in the community because one of the 
things I brought up is that a lot of people want   to participate in things that Ormond beach does even 
if they don't live here because they like feeling   like they're part of the community when they're 
participating in things so I think that was a   good initiative as well I accept your challenge 
and I will win again all right here we go um so   I'm really excited about that um we're going to 
probably do it sometime in March um just because   you know there's a lot of things going on between 
now and then um and a lot of people are already   kind of like going through some challenges right 
now with the new year um but look for some updates   on that but I like everybody in the in the in 
the Dais here to participate in some way I think it   be a lot of fun so you want us to give you an idea of 
what we want to do yeah just something that like   you might want to do like if you like yoga and 
that's your thing you know do yoga with Deputy   Mayor if you like uh you know whatever you you 
know commissioner Deaton likes doing you know I mean   just just to get everybody involved because one of 
the things that staff said was that they like the   people in the community like when you like that 
officials get involved and do things it kind of   draws him out a little bit so we want to draw them 
out we want to draw them out have some fun you   know and be health conscious Mayor Leslie would you 
join me for gymnastics with a commissioner that   was what I like to do when I was a child sure I'm 
not much of a gymnast but I'll try I mean so tell   me remind me though how you win is it you lose the 
most BMI yes yes yeah I think that's the way it's   going to be still with the BMI I can't wait to 
watch this but we're we're excited it was a great   uh conversation um I don't think anybody was in a 
meeting was oh actually Claire was in that meeting um   so it was it was a lot of fun right um I mean we 
we definitely had a lot of good ideas and uh we   want to get everybody involved uh Daytona Beach 
has over 150 people so we want to beat them we   want to get like maybe 200 people to participate 
um and then we're going to try to do some other   things for staff but uh getting their HSA um 
you know money bonus stuff too at the same time   during that whole challenge thing uh so that'll 
be kind of a little fun too um uh I like to thank   uh commissioner Briley for the last meeting he 
mentioned uh a birthday for um a Dorothy angle M   and so uh we so Susan and I uh couldn't locate the 
address but we were able to get address so what we   decided to do was we're going to just I'm going 
to send her a little certificate here um for her   birthday uh just as a little little recognition 
here and I'll probably put a little a little card   or a note in there but um if any of you want to 
sign the card um I could leave it you know with   uh in my office somewhere maybe with Justin if 
you want to sign the card too and I'll put the   card in there with the certificate just you know 
recognizing her for her birthday I mean 104 that's   a that's a big deal um let's see here um as far 
as coffee with the mayor goes um just want to be   a little more transparent on that cuz you know 
I I appreciate you bringing that up uh is that   we I just wanted to be able to have people to go 
somewhere and talk and have you know answer some   of their uh you know concerns like for example the 
county is implemented these new parking uh fees   and stuff like that not a residents it's free but 
we're going to have a I'm going to have a speaker   come and talk about how what that all means and 
how you can still register your car um I went to   a meeting recently and the person from the county 
came and spoke and a lot of people still didn't   know how to do all that stuff so we're just kind 
of like helping them with some information as far   as that goes um there won't be any City business 
discussed um it'll just be more about just giving   information um from other agencies that you know 
were involved with things that go on here so that   that was kind of like the whole purpose and people 
really like that they they like to just feel like   that they're being involved and we're giving them 
information um and then like like the city manager   said that you know the Performing Arts Center 
reason why I chose that is because we uh it's   it's opened again now and uh at the end of the 
coffee uh the person who runs the facility is   going to offer a tour and kind of promote that a 
little bit because we we did put a lot of money   into that Performing Art Center and a lot of other 
people did too and it's just a way to kind of help   promote that a little bit um I am happy about the 
flouride I think we all probably got flooded   with emails on that and we definitely looked at I 
looked at everyone and uh it's a good step in the   right direction I mean this thing was implemented 
in the 50s and we learned a lot of things from the   every as we move forward right so things we did 
in the ' 50s might have made sense then but moving   into the world that we're in now it just you know 
maybe doesn't make any sense so I'm really happy   that it was brought up thank you commissioner 
Sargent for mentioning it um and I'm really happy   that we're going to move forward with this and 
join the rest of the cities on this list here that   um that also did that and a lot of them actually 
that commissioner Sargent me mentioned were from   October 24 to uh this this month I mean so that's 
a lot of cities just kind of jumping on here so we   just we got on it we're we're we're with the rest 
of these cities and I'm really pleased to uh to be   part of that as well um with that said though 
um I'm going to adjourn the meeting thank you