The time now is 7:00 p.m. I will now call this meeting to order. At this time, I please ask everyone to please silence your cell phones or any other electronic devices. Your greeters at the door today is Director Robert Carolin and Police Captain Roos. To my far right and your far left, we have recording secretary Taylor Lochert. City Clerk Susan Dauderis
Deputy Mayor, Zone One Commissioner Lorie Tolland. Good evening everyone and welcome. Zone 2 Commissioner Travis Sargent. Good evening. Welcome. Zone 3 Commissioner to my left, Kristin Deaton. Good evening everyone. Zone 4 Commissioner Harold Briley. Good evening everyone. Welcome. City Manager Joyce Shanahan. Assistant City Manager Shawn Finley, City Attorney Randy Hayes, and to my far left and your far right, we have Police Chief
uh Jesse Godfrey and Fire Chief Police Howard Bailey. And I am Mayor Jason Leslie. At this time, I'd like to call up Pastor Aaron Sweigart of Tomoka Christian Church to do our invocation uh followed by the pledge of allegiance. Let us pray. Father, we come before you in these moments, Lord God, realizing that you are the God
of every moment. Um Lord, I thank you that you are the God of all things. everything made and seen, visible and invisible, uh was made by your hand. And Lord, I pray for these men and women, Lord God. I pray that you would give them wisdom um that you would guide them by your mighty hand, Lord God. Um to make the decisions that need to be made. Um Lord, we don't take that lightly, Lord God. And Lord, I pray also that you would humble our hearts, Lord God, that pride would not be in
the way of the things that we decide to do or the things that we seek to achieve. Um but Lord, that we would humbly um realize that there are people's lives that are altered and sometimes changed by decisions we make. And so Lord, I pray that um in this agenda, Lord God, that we have brought today, Lord God, I pray that you would just give wisdom. Uh Lord, we need you. Lord, we thank you for the cross. We thank you that you are reconciling all things to yourself. And uh we just ask
this all to your glory, King Jesus. Amen. Amen. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated. Thank you for pastor for coming out. At this time, we'll hear from those of you have signed a card to speak about any item
which is not on the printed agenda for this meeting or any items on the consent agenda. Each person will be given a total of three minutes. First up, I'd like to call Ike Leary. Mr. Mayor, commissioners, staff, Ike Leary bait and tackle. Uh first of all,
I would like to thank the commission, the staff and everything for such a wonderful job that was done over there at Cassen Park including the bait shop. The bait shop is phenomenal. It's the best in the county. I can tell you it is. Uh number two, uh on Labor Day, September 1st, we're having our grand opening uh from 11 to 3. Uh we're going to be serving hot dogs and
uh I hear that Ormond Strong's going to come out with some corn on the cob and we're going to be have a raffle. We're going to have giveaways. Uh I would like for every one of you to come on out. Uh, that's all I got. And again, thank you everybody. [Applause] Thank you, Ike. We really appreciate you. Uh, next, I'd like to call up Debbie Forester.
Ormond strong. Here we got Patty, Madison, and Shane. I'm Debbie Croc Forester, commander of Ormond Strong, a nonprofit benefiting military veterans, first responders, their families in our community. Monday, September 10th, 2001, 246 people went to sleep in preparation for their morning flights. Uh 2,66 people went to sleep in preparation for work in the morning. 343 firefighters went to work in preparation for their next shift.
60 police officers went to sleep in preparation for their morning patrol. Eight paramedics went to sleep in preparation for their morning shift of saving lives. And one K9 named Sirius went to bed a good boy. None of them saw past 10:00 a.m. the next morning, September 11th, 2001. In the blink of an eye, their lives were cut short and life in America changed. Our group, Ormond Strong, would like you to join us Thursday, September 11th at 8:00 a.m. for a ceremony and a
walk in remembrance in honor of the terrorist attack which took place on US soil in 2001. A wall with the over 2,000 victims killed that day will be present, as well as a timeline of the day um of the tragic events that began 7:59 a.m. If you cannot participate in the walk, please join us for this heartfelt ceremony. This event takes place under the southwest corner of the Granada Bridge between Cassen and Bailey Park. Thank you everybody for time. Ormond Strong out.
Thank you, Debbie, and everything you do for Ormond Strong. Uh, is this the flyer for the event? Correct. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Uh, next up is uh Shawn Daily. Good evening. Shawn Daily. I live in Northbrook and I'm a lifetime resident of Ormond. Um, I'm here to talk to you. I sat through your your uh planning conference this morning, I mean this afternoon on taxes and on the budget and uh one of the things that was brought up was
what else can be done in terms of trying to either cut the millage or raise revenues. I thought was something that wasn't really discussed. So, I'm here to ask you to again consider and not forget the possibility that like the parking that you're going to generate money from on the beach side that you consider once again generating money at your airport which is otherwise a money pit for this city and which still owes the citizens more than a million dollars. Uh obviously the
people that utilize that airport for 95% of the operations out there are not citizens of Ormond Beach. They're actually not even citizens of the United States. Many of them, they're basically individuals who've come from elsewhere to learn how to fly at either Embry Riddle or Phoenix East or one of the other Daytona flight schools. Those are the ones that are utilizing our airport 95% of that 100,000 operations a year. Now, many other airports can collect landing fees. A
simple landing fee or operations fee, which what I would suggest, of $5 per operation would generate $10 each time they came and did another touchandgo at our airport at 7:00 in the morning in violation of our noise abatement rules, which is what they do every day. Phoenix East is at our airport every day before 8:00 in violation of our noise abatement. I don't know why we would show any concern about passing on to them the cost of utilizing that airport, especially since it costs
us money and has cost us money for years that has never been paid back, never any interest acrewed. It's if you want a revenue stream, there's one that other cities are utilizing that there's no reason for us not to utilize. And the argument that they'll stop coming is a is a fallacy. They come because they have to come. They They can't do it in Daytona. That's what they say. They have to come to Ormond. They have to send a 100,000 times during the year. At some point in time, they've
got six, sometimes seven planes circling Ormond, and that causes them to again go outside the noise abatement pattern, fly over our subdivisions and spread lead from the airplanes that they utilize since they're one of the few vehicles that's still allowed in this United States to use leaded fuel. So, every time they fly over Northbrook or Hidden Hill, any of these places, they're dropping lead on our subdivision and on our children and grandchildren. And that's another big concern. So I urge you if you want to find some money, there is the money. Thank you very
much. Sure. Uh Commissioner Sargent, you'd like to make a comment. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh city manager, can we get an update where we are on the landing fees? I know we were we kicked it back to the aviation advisory board for discussion. I don't know where we are. Just I'll have Brian Rademacher. Excuse me. I'll have Brian Rademacher come up and update you. Thank you. Good evening. Brian Rademacher, director of economic development. We were planning
on bringing the item before the aviation advisory board. The Florida legislature passed legislation that on transportation and within that bill was an exclusion of leveraging fees on four-year institutions that teach flying um for educational purposes. uh and due to the grand assurances that airports are obligated to have one of them being non-discrimination, we are not at this point sure how the FAA would react to an airport implementing landing fees on some but not all. So we're
right now what we're doing is we're waiting for direction from the FAA and the state legislature quite frank frankly on how we're going to how how airports in Florida can handle the situation. So we will wait for that guidance and then when we finally get that we will bring the item before the aviation advisory board. So at this point what you're saying is that any flight schools or anything that identifies as some kind of flight school that can't pay any landing fees. Uh I I believe the way that the legislature has written is that four-year academic institutions that
teach flight training, think Embry Riddle, um are exempt from from being leveraged uh landing fees. So you could assess landing fees supposedly on other flight schools that are private and or other just private jets, but then we're not leveraging fees against all classes of aircraft, which would be considered non-discrimin would be considered discriminatory in the eyes of the FAA. H how many do you think approximately of those landings are coming from those type of institutions daily? 80% of the flight traffic at our airport is from flight training schools.
And I would gather to say that 50% or more of that is under riddle. Okay. Thank you, Brian. Any other questions for Brian? No. Thank you. Thanks. Um, thank you, Shawn. By the way, uh, next and last speaker we have is Elena Craft. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Elena Craft. I want to speak tonight about the disappointment I have with the request for proposal process that this city undertook in
choosing the health benefits broker. For over seven years, I worked for a national company that relied heavily on fair and transparent RFP processes, including those with state and f federal governments. When my company submitted proposals, we had confidence that the evaluation would be fair, that objective reviewers would look at our experience, our pricing, and how well we met the scope of work. Unfortunately, that is not what I witnessed here in Ormond Beach. What occurred was something I have never seen before in a professional setting. For over an hour,
the discussion was dominated by commissioners with clear conflicts of interest, attempting to sway others into choosing a company that staff did not recommend because it would charge nearly double for the same services while also having less experience. Speculation and hypotheticals were thrown around about innovation and future cost savings, none of which were backed by proof or data. Even if the city attorney says it is legal for conflicted commissioners to steer discussion, that does not make it right. I urge you to raise the bar and ensure that conflicts of interest,
real or perceived, cannot shape the outcome of future RFPs. And in the case of the health benefits broker, choose the one that will provide highquality services at half the cost. The second thing I would like to speak on is Senate Bill 180. This law strips local control. weakens flood protections and benefits developers at the expense of residents. Cities and counties across Florida are joining the SP180 coalition to fight back. Ormond Beach should stand with them and I ask you to take decisive action tonight and join this lawsuit. Finally, professionalism.
It was extremely disappointing to hear that a commissioner publicly mocked a community member and the co-founder of our nonprofit, Protect Volusia, by saying that it should be called Protect Jason Leslie. I will not sit silently while a commissioner reduces countless hours of hard work over the past two years to what she deems is a joke. We have fought fearlessly against the fuel terminal and won. We have worked tirelessly to advocate for our neighborhoods, to raise awareness about flooding and overdevelopment and to empower residents to
get involved in their local government. That work has never been about protecting one person. It has been about protecting the people of Ormond Beach and the greater Volusia County. Disagreements, they're part of democracy, but personal attacks are not. I ask that an apology be made and that we hold ourselves to higher standards of respect and civility. Thank you. Thank you. I have no
more cards here. So, we're going to move on to the approval of the minutes. Uh the minutes of for the August 5th, 2025 city commission meeting have been sent to the commission for review and posted to the city's website. Does anyone have any corrections or changes at this time? Approval submitted. Second. Any other discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. Motion passes. Minutes approved. We move on to consent agenda. Items on the consent agenda are deemed routine and non-controversial. The action proposed is stated
for each item. Unless a city commissioner removes an item from the consent agenda, no discussion on individual items will occur and a single motion will approve all items. Does any member of the commission wish to pull any items from the consent agenda? Mayor. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, Deputy Mayor, I'd like to pull uh consent item A. A. Okay. 6A. Uh, Commissioner Sargent. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. but also like A and C. Okay. Um, anyone else that
dies here? Mr. Mayor, I'll move approve the uh consent agenda minus items A and C. Second. Any other discussion? Seeing none. Uh, city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. City clerk, can you please read 6A? Resolution number 2025-117, a resolution accepting the proposal of Playcore Wisconsin, Inc. DBA game time, regarding the purchase and installation of
playground equipment for Andy Romano Beachfront Park and Fire Station 91 Park, authorizing the execution of an agreement and payment, therefore rejecting all other proposals and setting forth an effective date. This is resolution number 2025-117, read by title only. Can I get a motion for approve to go in discussion? So moved. Second discussion. Uh deputy mayor. Yes. Thank you so much. Um I do have a question for Mr. Carolin if you wouldn't mind coming up.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you for coming up. Um, so maybe I missed this in the packet, but when I was reading I I noticed that um there was a um in the comments that there's bids that were submitted from 229,000 to 299. And it looks like we um the award was given to the play play game game time, sorry. Um and they were at 291. So, I'm sure there's a reason why that company won the award.
Um, so if you wouldn't mind just explaining to me what the differences were. Yeah. Um, essentially the the biggest difference is we've we've done business with Game Time for many years. They have proven the quality of their coastal coating, which is by far better than the majority of the other playground companies. That lasts um much longer. It requires less maintenance. Um they are the number one company that is first to respond if there is a warranty issue. They um have no problem
sending us equipment when we need it. Um and we have probably 80% of our playgrounds we have in the city or game time playgrounds. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Oh, I got a question for you, Robert. Um the uh fire station 91 that was in last year's budget, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. Um, the option A is 183,505. Is that what the commission budgeted for last year on that item? Oh gosh, I'm 100 I'm not 100% certain. I I believe that's the case though. Um, because we essentially
tried to keep the budgets to uh the same as what we had budgeted for. And so the way these go out on the street are based upon a specific budget that we have already allocated in our the funds for. Okay. Yeah, because I saw that some of the options here were a little different in price. So, I didn't know if we budgeted for maybe a little less than what the actual cost was or we were in the same neighborhood. Um, essentially the the way that RFP was designed was to put it out on the street to offer three different uh proposals. So they they based on um what specific playground
companies maybe um would recommend in that location based on climate the whole the whole um the whole ball of wax with the with the fire station. It was a themed playground. We wanted to make sure that it was as close to a fire theme as possible. So this playground in essence is extremely ident not identical but it is uh all fire themed. So when you go there it's going to resemble a a firehouse but it's a playground and it's got all kinds of little different
um pieces of apparatus that are similar to what you would see at a firehouse. So that's the other companies obviously they they came close but they didn't have the same uh theme the well they had a fire theme but it wasn't holistic and it didn't have as many components as what uh the game time company provided us. Do we know ex what the life of this playground will be or life cycle? We anticip well the one at uh fire station had a little over 20
years. It's also a game time existing playground. So, we anticipate that one will have probably at least 20 years plus. The one at Andy Romano will probably be close to a 10-year lifespan based on uh the coastal rate on the coast and the saltwater and the hurricanes and everything that we have to weather there. Okay, good. Uh, any other questions for the Oh, Commissioner Sargent, I'm willing to move this forward pending an updated evidence of insurance. The one that's provided in the
packet expired and I would like to see an updated evidence of insurance. I know it just expired on 81, but I think it's important before I make a decision or allow them to move forward that we have proper insurance. Yeah, that's that's no problem. We can make sure that happens. Essentially, they they will update those insurance certificates because they're site on demand. In other words, they give that to us prior to uh submitting their permitting process. So, that's no problem whatsoever. It's at the end of the pack. Okay. Any other questions? No. Nut mayor. No,
I'm good. Okay. Sorry. All right. Well, we have a motion. We have a second. And u the insurance if there's any is there any concerns with the insurance that Commissioner Sargent brought up? I'd like to amend the motion to for a 30-day contingent of receiving the updated evidence of insurance. I think that's important that we have updated evidence of insurance on all bids that we receive. Mr. Mayor, let let me jump in here. Sure. So, liability insurance is required as a um part of the process of executing the contract. It's not a requirement of a bid or an RFP and is
not required um condition of the purchasing code. Um the way the um awards are typically structured is that if you look at the resolution, what it says is an award is being made to company X. All other bids will be deemed rejected upon the execution of a contract with company X. Part of the requirement for the contract is you have to provide current liability insurance certificate. So if you don't have that, then you go back down to the next the next bidder. But in terms of the
criteria for bids and um RFPs, it's not it's not a it's not a requirement. Okay. So essentially once the bid is accepted, then they'll be required to again give the give the uh proper insurance that it would be um effective. Correct. Yes. and they're monitored by um risk management in the city clerk's office. So they have to every every every vendor we have a contract with, they have to maintain that liability insurance. It's in the packet 220 page 228. Okay. It it is on it is in
the packet at page 228. 228. Okay. So we're good to go. Okay. Good. I just want to clarify that point. Okay. I understand that, but I still like to see updated evidence of insurance. Uh Shawn, if I may, the the the insurance certificate on 228 shows a policy expiration of August 1st, 2026. Oh, I think that I think that what happened was that we the one we received that came with the with the with the bid. We put that bid out in the street in May. So, they put one obviously that
that expired that was still valid at that time. We did get an updated one here in the past week to make sure that we had met met the requirements. So, this was put in a little bit at the end of at the end of the packet. So, it may have been an easy one to overlook because it wasn't the first one you come across. So, they did uh we did get it here and um like I said, it's on page 228 of the packet. All right. Well, fair enough then. We have a a good insurance certificate. So, with that said, is there any other discussion here? We have a motion in a second. I just have to call the motion. Do you want to amend your motion then? No, I didn't make a motion.
Then I'll make a motion that we accept uh consent agenda item 6A. Is there second? Okay. Any other further discussion? Uh city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Uh, city clerk, can you please read title 6C? Resolution number 2025-137,
a resolution accepting a bid from Professional Piping Services, Inc. for Pressure Main Cleaning Services under bid number 2025-39 authorizing the execution of a contract and payment therefore and setting forth an effective date. This is resolution number 2025-137 read by title only. Is there a motion to approve? Move approval. Second discussion, Commissioner Sargent. I'm just curious on this bid, this type of service, is it very unique and we only received one respondent
to it. I'm just want to make sure that we're advertising properly. And I believe it's a it's a special service, but I just want to make sure it is a it is a highly specialized service. Um it is it is a they call it pegging pegging the lines. So it is a pressure cleaning of or it's a cleaning of the pressurized lines. There's not that many out there who do it. Um partly also when we when we have a successful bidder, you know, and and a successful relationship, it gets around to and so um so but we we put it out the same way we put all of our bids out. Any other questions? Seeing none,
city clerk, please call a vote. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Uh, any commissioners wish to comment on any of the consent agenda items at this time? Okay, seeing none, uh, we're going to move on to public hearings. I will now open the public hearings. Uh, city clerk, please read the legal title 7A. Ordinance number 2025-17, an ordinance of
the city of Ormond Beach, Florida, amending the comprehensive plan for the city of Ormond Beach in its entirety pursuant to chapter 163 Florida statutes. Adopting comprehensive plan 2045, including amendments to the plan administration, future land use element, transportation element, utilities element, conservation element, coastal management element, housing element, recreation and open space element, capital improvements element, intergovernmental coordination element, cultural and historical resources element, public schools facilities element, and property rights
element, and all associated maps and figures. providing for the transmitt of copies of the notice and amendments to the state receiving reviewing agencies, the Volusia Growth Management Commission, the county of Volusia, and any other local government or government governmental agency requesting a copy providing public hearings, providing for severability, and setting forth an effective date. This is the second reading of ordinance number 2025-17, read by title only. Move approval. Second. This is a second reading. Do we need to hear any from anybody? Steven Spraker. No,
I don't have any cards on this item either. Um, so at this point, I will call the the vote. City clerk. Commissioner Briley? Yes. Commissioner Tolland? Yes. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Um, city clerk, please read 7B, legal title. Ordinance number 2025-24, an ordinance amending section 2-83, offices, departments, divisions, and heads enumerated of article 5, departments of chapter 2, administration. Section 2-221 Leisure Services
Advisory Board of Division 2 enumerated of article 6 boards commissions committees and other agencies of chapter 2 administration section 2-22 workplace safety program of division 2 enumerated of article 6 boards commissions committees and other agencies of chapter 2 administration section 14-18 trespass of article 1 in general of chapter 13 offenses. Section 15-8, nuisances of article 1, operation of
city parks and recreation and cultural areas and facilities of chapter 15 parks and recreation and section 17-9 public use of streets and sidewalks of chapter 17 streets, sidewalks, and other public places of the city of Ormond Beach code of ordinances. is to amend the term leisure services department to parks and recreation department and to amend the name of the leisure services advisory board to the parks and recreation advisory board repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts
thereof and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-24 read by title only. Is there a motion for move approval? Second. Um well we all know what this is about. Um, do we need the part Steven Spraker to come up and speak on the item? Yes, sir. No, I know we've all asked about this item. I don't have any audience remark cards. Um, at this time, I will then call a vote or have the city cler call the vote, I'm sorry. Commissioner Tolland, yes.
Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Um, please read 7C, legal title, city clerk. Ordinance number 2025-25, an ordinance amending subsection 5 mobile food dispensing vehicles of section 2-50 accessory uses of article 3 general regulations of chapter 2 district and general regulations of the city of Ormond Beach Land Development Code to amend the term leisure services department to parks and recreation
department repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof providing for severability and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-25 read by title only. Move approval. Second. I don't have any cards for this one either. Any uh questions, comments? Seeing none, city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes.
City clerk, please read legal title 7D. Ordinance number 2025-26, an ordinance amending chapter 1, general administration, article 3, definitions and acronyms. Section 1-22, definition of terms and words. Chapter 2, District and General Regulations of Article 2, District Regulation Section 2-25B-4, Central Business Zoning District and Chapter 2, District and General Regulations, Article 4,
Conditional and Special Exception Regulation Section 2-57, Criteria for Review of Specific Conditional and Special Exception of the City of Ormond Beach Land Development Code to create a private tattoo studio. use definition and conditional use criteria and to allow the private tattoo studio use as a conditional use in the B-4 central business zoning district repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof providing for severability and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number
2025-26 read by title only. Is there a motion for approval? Motion. Second. U would like to have the planning director come up and speak on the item. Steven Spraker, please come up. Good evening. Steven Spraker, planning director. Um this is a land development code amendment that involves three sections of the land development code. Um the first is section 122 to create a definition for a private tattoo studio. The second is section 2-25. It puts as a zoning use
the private tattoo studio. And the third one is in section 2-57 which adds conditional use criteria. In this amendment, the conditional use criteria are really important because what it tries to do is take something that's allowed in a broad zoning district and narrow it down to certain areas within that B4 zoning district. So the conditions are no exterior windows are allowed. No exterior signage or displays are allowed. Only one tattoo artist would be allowed. The client should be limited to appointments only. The tattoo area cannot exceed 160 square feet and the use
um shall be located in a structure that is two stories or greater fronting along East Granada Boulevard. Part of the application process um staff got to speak with the applicant. Um basically this is a newer use that is not identified in our code. It is happening um throughout the country and one of the things the applicant said to us that that struck with us is it's an emerging trend. It offers a unique experience for clients. It prioritizes clients privacy. So you you have a a one-on-one experience. It provides artistic
creativity creativity for the tattoo artist and it provides exclusive access to the tattoo artist. So this is our B4 zoning district. It's located primarily in our downtown area and along um South Yonge Street. So, one of the concerns as the applicant approached staff was there was not a desire to allow this use throughout that whole zoning district. The applicant um already has a business at 100 East Granada. So, he is focused on that East Granada corridor. So,
with those amendments, any any use other than the applicant has to be two stories and has to be located on East Granada Boulevard. If the commission wants to narrow those down, you can narrow it down to certain streets on East Granada Boulevard to further narrow down the use. Um the B4 central business district has been widely used in our downtown to introduce new uses. A restaurant type D which doesn't require 51 food 51% food sales. The Ormond garage, Fletchers,
those are all unique uses that were created in the downtown. The farmers market was a unique use created in downtown. the allowance of mixeduse developments. So the B4 and and specifically our downtown over overlay district has been something where new uses are start out some go beyond the downtown area some don't. The planning board recommended approval u of this land development code amendment with a 5 to1 vote and the applicant is here to address the commission. Does anyone have questions for Steven Spraker? Uh Commissioner Sargent. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um,
this really narrows it down to just one building if I'm correct. Is that right? Um, there are other two-story buildings on East Granada Boulevard. Uh, 200 East Granada is one that comes to mind, Fountain Square. Now, they may have windows which would not allow this type of use. So, um, again, if if there is a if there's a desire to bring this even tighter, you could, for example, limit it from Seat and Trail to Vine and Court. you could dial in where where it would be allowed if that's a concern of commission. And for the record, I did speak to the applicant. It's been almost
a year now. And um it was my understanding that he has some uh high-profile clients that fly in to get specific tattoos and leave. And that's why it's a very private and that's why it's a growing trend. Um and I I'm okay with with this at this location and with these parameters. Thank you. Uh, Deputy Mayor. Sure. I have some thoughts. So, I may I may be the lone lone person out here, but I'm just going to throw all my thoughts out here for consideration, and it's probably
not questions for you, Steven, but feel free to chime in. Um, first of all, I appreciate the fact that you work very hard with this client to try to make something desirable. Um, and if this commission remembers, I was probably hesitant on the other tattoo parlor that um, parlor tattoo organization store, whatever. Um, but I did agree that destination Daytona seemed to
be an appropriate place. And I do also appreciate, you know, this unique experience that you're talking about, but not all you unique experiences are desirable in certain locations. I feel like Main Street's worked very hard to create an area downtown and all the way up to the beach that's full of historic museums, boutiques, um, uh, restaurants, just like you alluded to. Um, I don't
have a problem with tattoos, but I don't think they're appropriate in the Main Street corridor. Um, the other the other thing I was concerned about, but I was corrected by Steven, is when you allow a conditional use in an in a B4, then you're opening up somebody else to come in in a B4 area saying, and this happens a lot, you've allowed this this organization in a B4, and I know um, Commissioner Briley can attest to that, and so now you can't deny me. you did put some restrictions
on that. I do appreciate that, but sometimes that doesn't hold water. Um, and this type of service is allowed in a B5 area. So, it's not like we're denying the business to exist or their livelihood. It's it's just for me it's not appropriate in the main street corridor. So, I will be voting no on this. Uh, before uh Commissioner Sargent call you, is is the applicant here by hand? Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Sargent. Thank you for those thoughts, Commissioner, Deputy Mayor Tolland. Um,
I view it a little differently, though. I with all these perimeters involved with no signage, no windows. Um, I don't see it any different than a doctor's office almost. I mean, there's it's a private studio with 164 square ft. That's a very small location that that we're limiting it to. I think these guidelines that staff have put forward really limit any I think heartache that you may
have. Um, so I respect your opinion, but I I'm a yes on this. Thank you. Any other questions for Steven? Uh, Commissioner Briley. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, Steven, I I know you know this went before the planning board. Did did this even was this ever discussed or even discussed at the main street board level? Not that this type this type of use, not this particular project with this type of use? Not that I recall. No. Okay. Um, as Commissioner Tolland said, I mean, I I was on the
city's planning board for for a number of years and and and this came before us before I think it I think we had an application or a a discussion about having a thing with permanent makeup. In fact, I think it was over at the veranda, right? They want to do permanent makeup over there and that would also qualify as as tattoos. And I think at the time the the the consensus as far as I can recall from the planning board was they didn't want that type of use in the downtown area. Um while as well as as Commissioner Tolland, I'm not against tattoos. I know we have them in
and you know we have tattoo studios in certain parts of the city and I think they're they're um I think they're great in those locations. I'm just not sure about the downtown area. If I may. So the the city amended the land development code to allow cosmetic tattooing in 2020. So the applicant can do cosmetic tattooing by right and that is only of the face area. Correct. But I'm saying when it came back this was I'm talking about back into the like the early late 90s when it came up before. So okay. Thank you Commissioner Deaton. I'm struggling with this one. I've been
reading it for a few days and while my husband is covered in tattoos I will admit um I don't think this is the appropriate location. Yep. And maybe the applicant can address. I'd love to hear from you. That'd be great. Yeah, I think that we should come up and address some of those concerns. If you can just state your name for the record. Thank you. Ladies, gentlemen, pleasure to see everyone. Legal, thank you so much for taking this time today. I know this probably the least important docket that you have here in your ordinance. Uh
if you have any questions, I'm fully prepared to answer them. Whatever your concerns may be, uh I would just like to start out by saying one, my name is Anthony Conford. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to see faces to these names I've been correlating with over the last year or so. And uh I really hope that uh if you have any questions, feel free to ask them today transparently. Uh because luckily it's someone like myself who has knowledge of this industry to be able to have the conversation at scale, not only applicatively but integratively as well, so we can kind of resolve any concerns you may have. I would hate to see someone else come in here with more ego than intellect and then you have to play tugof-war with that as well.
And that's probably not going to be the most I don't know progressive conversation if you will. So please if you have any questions feel free to ask me. I would love to answer that. I think that deputy mayor probably has some questions. I just have one. So you chose this this location because you already have a business there. Yes. Have you ever considered moving into another area? I mean, if if this is your livelihood, would you move your business just to a place that already
um approves of this use? Uh it wouldn't be my first choice. I'm sure like everybody else, you don't really want to move out of your house, you know, so to say. Um, but that being said, uh, much like Steven has unpacked, uh, I believe it was ordinance 2019-42, uh, where PMU, permanent makeup, if you will, and tattoo have been now recognized as one and the same by Tallahassee in the state itself. This is something that's coming down the pipeline. Whether it reaches your city or county first, I I couldn't tell you. Uh Deborah Rush, the senior environmental specialist, um has sent me a 42-page deck where essentially uh under the tight restraints that we work through,
uh they refer to that apparatus because it's the same utensil for the same cosmetic application. So, it's come quite a ways uh from school bell technology that would collect dust and particulates and things you don't want anywhere near uh a cut or scratch, let alone some artistic application. Now, it's so compact, much like you mentioned, uh I would probably compare it to dentistry, if you will. It's completely disposable. I would almost argue that the apparatus itself will be disposable after the service. So, it's about as cleansely as it's going to get. And I think it's about as digestible as it'll ever be. And to better answer your question,
I've been in that building coming up on almost 10 years now. And uh we're pretty rooted in that space. And having no sign, no window, I think is the best way to show as much respect to that downtown uh aesthetic, if you will, cuz I just don't want to interrupt the integrity or the or the visuals there of people coming over this great bridge, seeing all this great these better things, if you will, and I'm just trying to kind of fall in line with that. So, uh I really rather not move. Uh if if you don't mind here, um Commissioner Deaton, can I ask what the business
you currently have there is? Uh it's an e-commerce business. I just did my third shoe with vans. So, we work uh creatively in custom culture. I've done some things with Sonic Financial uh US Legend cars. They own about 90% of the negative and NASCAR. So, being able to sit at those tables, develop that vocabulary, be able to have these conversations at scale, I think has kind of given me enough structure or strategy to at least aim this at success and retain not only its privacy, but its integrity. So in the event the fear of having somebody else ask this question, at least you guys have parameters set in place to be able to have a much more streamlined conversation and kind of yeah I think fear comes from that unknown and I think once you guys kind
of figure out more of what it is and really as far as it can go this will probably be all you need to know on this topic if that makes any sense. And are you the tattoo artist or was this you are the tattoo artist? Yes, I am actually the artist. Where do you currently practice now? Um I was at a artistic uh artisan's crypt. they were um and then before that I was at the Nines's parlor. So I have I have tremendous knowledge of the industry. Uh my thing is some of the clients that I have um some they're kind of famous and the last thing I want to do is put them in the window like a puppy for sale. Next thing you know somebody doesn't get a t-shirt or hat signed and they feel some type of
way about it. The last thing I want to do is you know have any other static on this very clear TV you guys have have made here. Uh how many years experience do you have then? Uh about six. Six. Yeah about six in hyper realism black and gray. It's the most natural and organic pigment to put into the skin. Uh that of PMU uh is more of like an oil based uh things, you know, because on those check-in sheets, a lot of people won't say that they're diabetic or they have, you know, a lymph node infection or things of that nature. And that's why we practice under such scrutiny. So, being able to whittle that down to a one-on-one experience, more like Steven has said, uh just
just creates the best outcome andor opportunity to have the most cleansely and progressive business in that space. Will you have like any kind of hours that you're going to be scheduling people since this will be a by appointment only? It'll be by appointment only. I usually work middle of the day to about maybe 10 or so. Um I don't really see me going into like odd evening hours. 3:00 in the morning or anything like that. Okay. No, no. I do some business overseas with e-commerce and they're about waking up that time. It's lunch time there for them at 3:00. Uh, Commissioner Sargent, when we when I look at these conditional criteria, I'm having a hard time not approving it. I mean,
with all the restrictions that we're putting on it, it's almost like a an office that we don't even know is existing. I think of like the insurance company, RT Specialty, that's in uh the Donny's Donuts building. I'm sorry, Swillbee's Don uh building. You don't even know they're there. I mean, they have a sign out front which is more than what we're going to allow here, right? And it's 160 square ft. I mean, that is that's a glorified space. We're not having neon lights that are flash. If we're not having um I mean, it's appointment only. I just like I
said before, I'm a yes on this. And I'm having a hard time. I'll be in a yes to be honest with you. Thank you. Yeah. If I didn't have the clientele, I think it would almost be people with that kind of stipulation uh to keep the honesty stock up. Uh, I don't know how most people could run a business without windows, signage, any kind of public promotion, if you will. So, if I didn't have, uh, you know, a book of clients, I don't think I would have any success in that space at all. It's really just to retain their privacy and and, you know, provide a better experience. Deputy Mayor, I have another question. It's not for you, sir. Um, commission or maybe Steven, what happens
if if this gentleman decides to leave? Is this property still have the use assigned for it? So, can somebody else come in and and um do tattoos? Yes. Under these conditions. So, they'll be it'll stay. It becomes a conforming use at that point. It's a conforming use for this this time. And I I personally think it's a slippery slope. I think we've worked too hard on downtown Main Street to to go there. But that's my opinion. Mr. where uh you commission my concern is and and
I can certainly appreciate your business and and what you're doing and and you know um my concern is though once you get that once you get that door open the foot gets in the door and then what's next? We see it. Yeah, we've seen it. I like that. Oh. Um, Commissioner Sargent. Well, I mean, if he were to move out, the next person would have to follow those guidelines. No exterior windows,
no signage. Uh, one artist. I mean, there's still what we're approving today, we would approve for the next person. There's no I don't see how it's a slippery slope when the guidelines are right there. But, but thank you. Can I re uh deputy mayor? I can. I'm sorry. No, you're good. Being respectful what you what you're failed to see and I agree um with the next person coming in, they would have to conform. But what um Commissioner Briley and I have seen on the planning board
serving on the planning board is once you approve a use, then others come in and use that as an example why they should be approved of that use as well. B4 is a big area and right now I know it's identified just on the east side, but B4 is our you saw the the the one map with all the red. So, uh that that's where my hesitation is. Nothing against you, nothing against your business. It's just the location. I understand, Miss Tolland. I think uh like Mr. and and the potential of down
the road another person coming in and putting a a use that's not assigned in an area that shouldn't it it shouldn't be for the last forever I'd really love if possible I don't see her to get Ormond Main Street's input I know this is kind of there have you met with Main Street by chance? Uh no no not at all. So, I talked to I I will disclose I talked to Becky today and asked her if they had a an opinion of it. And I wish she was here so she could quote, but the first
first reaction she had is they had talked about it before and they thought it was a dead deal with the planning board. They didn't think the planning board moved it forward. And I said, "No, they they voted it is. It's on our agenda. What is Main Street's thing?" Her initial reaction was, "No, we didn't want it." She did tell me right before the budget meeting that um she talked to a few people and they were they were kind of okay with but there was not a definite um statement that
they could make. So maybe maybe that's a great point, Kristin. Maybe we should table it right now, get Main Street's opinion, and then bring it back to us. Maybe that's the way we do it. Or, Mr. Mayor, we can make our vote now. Whatever you want. Well, I do have some more questions. So, maybe we get to those and then we can figure out as a as a group here on what we want to do. I mean, I will say out just talking out loud here that, you know, the tattoo thing has become very popular. Um, you know, I've been down main streets in other cities that have had tattoo parlor. Um,
and those are open with the lights and the windows and all this other stuff. This private use thing is a little bit uh different than what I've seen. Um, but how many customers do you expect to see weekly or monthly doing this type of you anticipate any of those? To be quite honest with you, I'm I'm only probably going to be working on maybe a dozen or so people throughout the year. Um, a dozen throughout the year. Yeah, they're very long sessions. uh very very very you know lengthy sessions if you will and and again you know sometimes the level of artwork we're doing takes tremendous amount of hours uh which can't just be interrupted by doors opening and closing
and things of that nature and uh to get to some of those things there's language barriers people coming in internationally you know stuff like that that we're that we're dealing with you know um artists that it's just a much different level than your traditional neon signs and your traditional just walk-in space it's it's those doors are so locked being on the second floor being an interior building being with no windows or no signs. Not only do you know exactly what you're going going to do, uh, but you know, the artist myself is fully prepared to go ahead and, you know, carry out that service in the most professional way possible. Uh, Commissioner Briley. Yes, sir. Um, I
know we, you know, and I I think I mentioned this a long time ago, Randy, I'd said something about, you know, Main Street's input on something and we kind of said, well, that's really not their place. But because Main Street is not an advisory board to the city commission. Okay. However, and I I I respect with what this gentleman is doing because he's coming to us because he wants to do he wants to do things the right way. Yeah. As transparently as But what I would like maybe to do in this in this particular situation is just maybe get the read on what Main Street's thoughts
are. Um it doesn't hurt. Unfortunately, it it it it puts you behind maybe another meeting or two, but it it gets it would give us in the community maybe some sort of idea where the the group that kind of oversees the downtown where they're at. I think that's fair, too, because I mean, it seems like that some of us are leaning yes. I mean, we know Commissioner Sargent um is definitely in favor and I'm, you know, me personally, I'm leaning on a yes direction, too, but maybe more time to just think about it, talk to Main Street. Um, that might be not a bad idea if that's what the our planning board approved it 5 to one. That's our advisory board. Um,
um, I just hate to postpone something when we're putting strict guidelines on it. This gentleman's operating a business already there. He's I mean, these are strict guidelines. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how Ormond or Main Street's going to I mean, you're not even going to know this business is operating by by this. Um I I just I'm I'm very glad that you actually said that because the building itself, I believe, falls into your PMU guidelines and uh because PMU and tattoo have been recognized as one of the same because it's the same apparatus for the same cosmetic
modification, it cannot be called permanent makeup. It if it didn't live in the dermis layer of the anatomy, uh not to get too at scale. Um, so saying that to say this, I I really feel like I don't want to waste any more of your time uh just having the same conversation with a with with an alternative narrative, you know, and and not that I'm upset by any means, but I'm I'm sure you guys have a tremendous amount of things to do. And uh had I just came down, got a PMU license and did that, I don't think anybody would have really known to be 100% transparent with you. So, I don't really think this is a situation where you kind of ask for forgiveness. Much like you said,
I'd rather just ask for permission upfront, operate as transparently as possible. That's why I'm here in my attire today. I don't want you to see me at Publix's Halifax in an hour and I don't have my suit on. So, uh, uh, Commissioner Deaton, um, I just want to say I am torn. I I really do appreciate you being here. I appreciate all of the parameters that you're willing to go to. I really do appreciate that. I'm I would love to hear from Main Street, but I'm I'm I'm I'm in the middle still. I'm I'm torn. I'm really sorry, but I really do appreciate everything that you've brought to the table. I appreciate you being transparent. I do know that you could be behind
those doors doing whatever you want right now. So, I definitely appreciate you being here and being forthcoming with us. Um, I I'm still just I'm not sure just yet. I'm I'm really sorry. I understand. I understand. Mr. Commissioner Briley, I I you know, I go back to to Commissioner Tolland's statement. I'm just, you know, I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate you coming here because I think as Commissioner Deaton said, you probably could be up there doing that right now and no one would know the difference. Correct. Um, but again, I've got two concerns. One, I think,
and and Steven, I may be wrong, but I'm afraid if we focus if we narrow it down too much, it's almost like spot zoning. And I I believe you can put reasonable conditions. So, if you want to if you want to condition, right, you're talking about certain little areas and it has to be a two-story building and it can't be more any more than a room of 160 ft. You're spot zoning. you're that's what it almost boils down to and and that's your I don't get to that point right so but you know again I've seen this happen far too many times not you sir but other other you know cases
where they come and they ask for something and they get it and then all of a sudden well you know they want a little bit more somebody else comes in and says well you gave it to him and now I want it but you know I want a window or I want this now it's so it's almost like if you don't have it to begin with you don't have to worry about it getting worse right I I respect that that that ideology and I understand your theory of once the toes in the door it's the knee and then the elbow and then you know you try to proceed onward and upward. Uh that being said, I think that these stipulations uh not only exercise all three of those sections, but saying that to say this,
I don't think anybody would start a business with no windows, no sign, no promotion or any of that. It would probably deter anyone from coming in after me cuz whoever zoomed out far enough to look at your code, even if they had legal on their side or whoever, would be like, "This is such an uphill thing. I don't even know why somebody would want to operate under these conditions unless they had an established clientele, if you will." So if uh to you miss Lori I think if and when say that you know my friend Steve sold that building I left that premise I don't think you would even have anyone come in here and inquire about this because those stipulations are so tight and they it would
be a waste of someone's time like tattooing most people are it's more booth renting and landlording than it is creativity and and and you know any kind of contribution to their anyone's community so to say. So I I really think that if you have a fear of of me leaving there and anybody else coming in, I don't think it will happen. I have a tremendous amount of time in that industry enough to be able to have this conversation at scale. And uh for your theory as well, sir, again, I I just it would almost be foolish if you didn't have a really established book,
a really established clientele, a a very good understanding of how this business works to even proceed under those kind of stipulations. So I I just don't want to see anybody waste their time to be quite honest with you. Like I I don't want to be forward or try to push or tip you to one side or the other. I just really think that you guys are, you know, I'm sure it costs money for you for you to sit here. I I still have a problem though with Main Street looking at it and, you know, letting us know what they if if the applicant doesn't have a problem with, you know, the delay, right? If we send it to Main Street, could we have it back on the agenda in September 3rd? Uh Randy,
um I really don't like to get involved in your discussions. reasons especially on this topic. But um I think um so if you if you want to use uh Ormond Main Street as a sounding board to get their thoughts that's that's that's fine. The planning board's your official uh advisory board. I think Main Street certainly has an interest because your downtown is also your
CRA area. The question really is this is this an appropriate use in this particular zoning district. That's really what it comes down to. Um and I think that the planning director's trying to find a solution for uh this particular um use at this particular location. Um, I think, you know, ultimately it comes down to whether you think this is an appropriate use in this location
with these conditions. I I would I would caution against making the conditions too restrictive. Um, but you can certainly continue it for some period of time if that's what you wish to do to get some feedback from Ormond Main Street. You know, really it comes down to whether it's it's consistent with the surrounding uses in this zoning district and Main Street, consistent with your comp plan, all of that. You know, you're you're well verssed in in in that. And so, you've got
just some discretion in terms of how you treat all of that. Um, I'm not going to tell you what you need to do. It's not my job to do that. So, so I'm going to jump in there for a second, Randy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we also can approve this first reading, right? because that would be essentially by time this period and next period would give us a little time to think about it too because if we decide to not approve in a second reading and what the ordinance would not be approved correct yeah so yeah you have some options you can approve it on first reading um and then um get some feedback from Ormond Main Street if that's what you wish to do back on the
second reading and right uh you could continue it if that's what you wish to do you could deny it you could you could include some additional um conditions that you believed are reasonable um if that's your desire as well. So you have a menu of options that you can pull from. Okay. Um Mr. Mayor, I think we should move forward with voting on it. Move. Okay. I think Commissioner Deaton had a question for Steven Spraker. Can I ask a quick question if you how many other units in this area
fit in this exact same that would be available at any given time in this exact same category? No signage, no windows, 160. The the the lack of exterior windows limits a number of existing buildings. I'm not that familiar with 200 E Granada. I think they may have some units that are interior have no sign windows. Is that the Selby building? Was that Is that the Selby building? Yes. Yes. Okay. So there there may be um others. They're not going to be a lot. Okay. Thank you.
Well, uh, Randy, just one last question. If we did vote to move the to move this along to the second reading, that would obviously go into the next meeting agenda. So, that would be speed up the process too instead of tableling it because if we table it, it could potentially be longer. Yeah. Ordinarily, if you get if you get approve it on any ordinance on first reading, it's going to go to the next one. Now, you could ask uh that it um uh be moved to a meeting beyond the next available one if that's your desire to do that. Of course,
we have to go through the same public hearing uh requirements. Um you know, that's that's an option as well. If you feel like you need more time, we could do that also. I mean, uh can I get a consensus here of where you guys want to go? I'm ready to vote. Okay. All right. Well, uh thank you, sir. I appreciate it, Mr. Mayor, board. Thank you so much, guys. Yeah, thank you. Uh, city clerk, please call the vote. Oh. Uh, do we have a motion? I think move approval. Second. Okay. And I have no audience remark cards either. Um, just to state that on the record. Uh,
city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, because of my fear of what could happen in the future and the type of use it is in the downtown? No. Commissioner Tolland? No, for the same reasons Commissioner Briley just stated. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Okay. And we're going to move on to E. Uh, city clerk, please read legal title
um 7E. Ordinance number 2025-27, an ordinance authorizing the execution and issuance of the 8TH amended development order for the Walmart planned business development approving a building addition of approximately 5,11 square ft for the online grocery pickup service area and associated site improvements. Estab establishing conditions and expiration date of approval and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-27
read by title only. Move approval. Second. Uh Steven Spraker can you please speak on the item? Good evening. Steven Spraker, planning director. This is a request at 1521 West Granada Boulevard, uh the Walmart site for an expansion at the northwest uh corner shown in the circle on the map. The area is um again at the north northwest area in 2017. There was a liquor box concept of
the same size that was approved. It expired. Um so Walmart is seeking to do an expansion to serve the online uh grocery. I guess there is a huge demand for that type of service as the demand for for goods and services has changed over time. At the March planning board meeting, there were some key items that were discussed. And also at the neighborhood meeting, there was concern with overgrowth in the overgrowth in the green belt buffer, specifically from Williamson Boulevard to I95. There was concern um they were trying to restrict access within that green belt
buffer. They came up with a concept of a wall or fence inside the green belt buffer. There was concerns with issues of homelessness in the green belt buffer. And then there was concerns about building architecture. Um so this slide demonstrates uh what was present in February 27th the the natural buffer of the Walmart uh area. After that planning board meeting in March, Walmart uh worked with city staff including police planning our landscape architect our arborist and they started cleaning that green belt buffer. As a result of that process um we met with
DOT uh department of transportation. Um they made some determinations such as that chain link fence and chain link fence in the front must stay. Um they've cleaned the right away. They've repaired some of the sidewalks. All the Brazilian pepper has been removed in that area. So if you see that large open spot that was full of Brazilian pepper. The applicant has voluntarily agreed to replace the FDOT fence with a green vinyl coated chain link fence. So that would be at their expense versus DOT. There's some cleaning, some minor cleaning remains uh basically liming
it up. There's a replanting plan in the packet and the wall that you see exposed now would be uh pressure washed and painted. So that would be improved. The fence um in the green belt buffer was discussed a lot at planning board. Um staff's recommendation and eventually the planning board and the police captain who's been involved is not to require that fence. Now that the the site has been limbmed up, um that fence has been recommended not to be included in the development order. The current development order does not have that fence in there. Part of
the march planning board submitt was this building elevation. Um again, there was a lot of concern with the building appearance. Uh Walmart to their credit has gone back and done extensive changes to the building. Um kind of zooming in u there's a lot of architectural embellishments. our land our uh plans examiner who's also a licensed architect provided some ideas and input to um refresh the building and this would be the online pickup portion of the site. So those original concerns
all of them have been addressed. The buffer cleaning is in process. The DOT offense is going to be resolved. Um the masonary wall the applicant agreed to it. Staff and and the planning board are recommend that not be included. The green belt buffer. Um, in addition to that, Walmart has added security and they walk the property and the architectural plans. So, all those concerns in the March planning board have been addressed. As a result, the planning board did recommend approval of the item. Um, they recommended not to include that masonary wall and they also added a condition
on the green belt buffer from uh Williamson to Bermuda State drives that also be lifted up in a period period not to exceed 18 months. The development order has a a group including police, planning, landscape architect, arborist that would visit the site each year so that they can monitor the cleaning and make sure that the green belt is cleaned. The applicant is here to adjust the commission. Uh, Commissioner Briley, can we add one other condition? Prohibition of RV camping,
trailer camping in the parking lot. I I think that I know the prohibition don't exist. It exists, but it's not enforced. That's all. Okay. Um, go ahead. Okay. Commissioner, I would like them to self police. Commissioner Deaton. Thank you. Um, I know I've been involved in this since the neighborhood meeting and um, I saw you at the neighborhood meeting. Um, I've been in constant communication with Gen with Glenn Wilkins at at Walmart. I do appreciate all of his feedback. It
was definitely taken into account with the facade of the building. I know I was pretty adamant about the facade being more pleasant than the spaceship that it looks like currently. Um the only thing I'm not truly happy about is the 18 months to fix the green belt. I know there's been an improvement. It looks like trash. We've got to fix that. The fence, do we know have an ETA on the fence? It'll be part of their development. So are you talking the the west portion basically from Williamson Granada? Williamson to I95 or Williamson to Bermuda Estates. Williamson to
95. Okay. So, you know, you can set a a time frame as part time frame as part of your condition. It is something I know they're actively working on. Probably not going as fast as everyone and I'm sure the applicant can speak to the commission of their time frame. I'd love to hear from the applicant about their time frame on that cuz uh 18 months does not work for me personally. So, there there's two different sections. So, the the the existing section has to be done with the online expansion. The other section from from Williamson to Bremuda estate is an entirely different section that was neverifi that was not identified in the March meeting. Correct. It was
identified when they came back in July. Okay. So that was an additional um so if you feel that that should be greater or less than 18 months, you can make a an amendment to the development order. My primary concern is what they've already started on the Williamson to 95 because it looks half done and now it just looks like there's a bunch of garbage sitting there. There's dirt everywhere. That half-done fence. I don't love the situation happening there. Um, if we could hopefully get a quicker time frame, I would be very appreciative of that. Absolutely.
I'll echo your comments on that as well. Uh, Deputy Mayor, you have a question. I do. Uh, Kristin Deaton actually touched on it. So, I I need to understand the the the ugly looking fence that is up there right now is F DOT, correct? And the applicant is willing to put up a green vinyl fence in front of that. And we were not able to get that removed at all be even though we had that masonry wall. Is that correct? We we made efforts with the Department
of Transportation. They were not willing to uh reduce the length of that fence. Okay. So, I agree that that area needs to be cleaned up even before all the building gets going. It It's just That's our gateway and it looks like entry to our community. Bad. Um and then the second section, what's happening with that exactly? The the section that goes down to um shoot, what's the name of the road? Uh Bermuda. Bermuda Estates. Yes. So basically the the planning board
as as part of the July meeting um requested the applicant to clean that within 18 months feeling that the west portion was the primary focus. And again if the commission feels like within 30 days, 60 days that the west portion should be complete. I believe you could make that a condition of development sooner than later. Whatever the commission and the applicant I'm sure has something to say on Okay. Thank I what I do want to tell the applicant though is well first of all I want to kudos to the planning board and commissioner Deaton for going to
those neighborhood meetings but particularly Doug Thomas for championing this and for Walmart to be receptive to elevate that building to the standards that we enjoy in Ormond Beach. So thank you to all that have championed this. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you Walmart. We really do appreciate you be willing to take into consideration what we're asking. Thank you. Yeah. Hello. Hey. I know. It's good to see you again. Um questions for Walmart. Green belt. Well,
so my name is Rebecca Wilson, 215 Northola Drive. I am an attorney here on behalf of Walmart and and and just quickly um you know what what we find when we come into communities with an existing store is that they're often issues that we can use this as a time to remedy. And the irony in this is that it was a condition of our development order to not touch that green belt. And for years, uh, we'd actually asked the city if we could clean it out and we were told, "No, it's in your DO that
you have to leave it the way it is." So, so the reason we we started cleaning it so quickly is we had always wanted to do the same thing. We don't want people back there either. We didn't want the trash that was there either. So, we were very happy to clean it out. I agree with you that it's it looks terrible right now because the the new landscaping hasn't necessarily been replaced, but it did come up as a condition, the additional uh limming up and clearing um on the western side.
And PNZ, I think they were trying to be kind to us since that was the first time we heard about it. They offered the 18 months. We have our store manager here tonight. He just whispered to me that it's supposed to be finished by the end of the month, but just in case there's a hurricane or we don't get someone, if you could give us maybe three months, but it is it is certainly our intention to continue doing that and we we've brought groups in. And one thing I want to point out is is we we've used the word masonry wall a couple times. So, as you know, when when you come
off of the interstate and you're looking north, there there is the existing masonry wall. So, that remains that gets cleaned up and then there will be plantings, you know, in front of it and and in this area there there was a secondary masonry wall discussed as you see here, which was going to be perpendicular um to to Granada. And that is the one that working with the the police department, they said, you know, let's not build another wall that people can then jump over and and get behind.
And so that was the section of the wall that we discussed with PNZ that they said not to build. We agree with you. Uh we would prefer if the FDOT would just remove um that chain link fencing, especially after we put this nice landscaping out there. But they have their reasons. they don't want critters or people or whoever to to get onto the interstate. So, again, we're we're going to replace that. But happy to answer any other questions you have and and I agree uh with your comments. I think in this instance, um Walmart was uh incredibly receptive to the feedback they
they received from the community. Mr. Mayor, thank you. Uh I don't know who was first here on this one. Um Commissioner Sargent. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um thank you. Um, and for the record, I met with Walmart a while back and I appreciate uh y'all's willingness to do everything. I got to say that Doug Thomas really championed I know Commissioner Deaton was a part of those meetings, too, but really I think Doug Thomas led the charge on what what he I don't want to say demanded, but really requested. Y'all were very great to work with. So So just thank you to Walmart and
looking forward to this progress. Thank you, Commissioner Briley. Thank you, Mr. Bear. Um, the FDOT, the chain link fence installed by FDOT was installed by Walmart. I'm sorry. The chain link fence that's currently there that DOT wants. That that is an existing DOT fence on DOT property. Then I'd tell DOT if they want it, they need to replace it and keep it up. Well, they I hate putting that on y'all, but No. Yeah, they they would just leave it there looking like trash, and so we would prefer it. Thank you all for doing that. Not look like trash. Thank you all for doing
it. Um but my my only my only complaint was and and earlier is um there's been issues there in the past with with RV camping overnight and if you all will just please stay on top of that because there for a while it was going on for a long time. We we hear you loud and clear and we believe that to be the case now that that condition exists. So we have no objection to adding that condition. And I do agree 100%. I was here when y'all were approved back in oh gosh the the early '90s and
that that green belt buffer was there. I mean they they were required not to touch it. So um can't fault you for can't fault you for that. Thank you. I I think some of the concern though is the 18 months though. Is that what I'm gathering here from the commission? Yes. I would just like a condition for it to be 3 months sounds perfectly reasonable. Thank you. So I have one more question. It's not for you. This is for staff. So we we approved these new landscape ordinances. Would they be in effect for this building even because it's a rellandscape like
the native plants and all that good stuff? You show on that one. So this application was um in process prior to that ordinance being adopted. Um I I believe there are native plants that are part of it. I don't know the percentage. Okay. So, can I I'm going to request that they adhere to our new ordinances of percentage of native plants and trees. It's really not re that restrictive. I know you guys are looking at each other like, "What the heck is she talking about?" But it it's
really just for sustainability and resiliency, especially at 95. I don't know. It's not something that we can request, I mean, demand, but it would be something that I would like to request. Well, I I think I think they've left a number of the existing tree, which a percentage probably is already a native. So, my guess is they they've already met at least a percentage of it. Um, can we just look at it and look at the underbrush that they're going to be putting in? If acceptable, why don't why don't we report on that at the second reading and I can have
uh land landscape architect give me an analysis. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for Steven? applicant. No. Um, I don't have any cards for audience remarks either. Um, okay. Commissioner Deaton, which one of you is the new manager? Hi, nice to meet you. Mr. Mayor, I'll move approval. Second. No further discussion. Uh, Mr. Mayor. Oh,
go ahead. Go ahead. Did you want any amendments for the timing on the on the on the specifically on the west buffer and then the east buffer? Yes. So, whatever time frames you're looking for, Mr. Mayor, I I'll suggest that I'll I'll amend my motion for approval with a time frame of 3 months for improvements on the green belt buffer. Second. Um, do they need longer on the second the second one? Shouldn't all of it three months? Mhm. That's what my motion would be. Okay. Okay. Oh,
well. So, so on on the west, we have someone who's coming to cut that. Now, my understanding is our latest direction from staff was to continue to coordinate you all with you all on we don't plantings on the east. I mean, are you asking us to have it fully planted in 3 months? Well, so so there's there's two Let's do the west one first. So, on the west buffer, I think they're looking for a complete being done within 3 months. So basically landscape, irrigation, cleaning the wall within three months. West on the west west side where you're already
working from from Williamson to I95. Okay. Okay. And so do we have an approved landscape plan for that? It is under review. So it's actively under review um now. So I I would three months from the time this approved. Okay. What did you say? I'm sorry. three months from the time of this approved because our landscape plan and then the second part would be from from Williamson to Bermuda estate to drive drive now there all they're doing is limming up they're not replanting they're just
taking up fine yep so what time frame would the city commission desire for that I would say I mean if if they're just I would say the same 3 months I would do a little bit longer on the west let's go six months to the east. To the east. Okay. Okay. Is that good? Three months on the west, six months on the east. I really want focus on the west. Okay. Do you want amend your motion and u commissioner briley? And I'll amend it to six months from the east buffer. Second. Any other further discussion? If you have any questions about native plants,
I'll see you tomorrow at Walmart. We've got a whole section of them. Before I call the wall the vote, I just want to say uh thank you for everything you guys did. Um I appreciate the meeting as well that we did to talk about this thing and uh thank you to everyone else and in the audience that came out as well. Um city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Briley, yes. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. I will now close the public hearings.
Um, city clerk, please read the legal title 8A. Ordinance number 2025-28, an ordinance amending the title of chapter 11, health, sanitation, and environmental protection, repealing article 2, environmental protection of chapter 11, health, sanitation, and environmental protection of the code of ordinances and setting forth an effective date. This is the first reading of ordinance number 2025-28 read by title only. Move approval. Second. Do we need the city manager speak on this
item? Seeing none. I have no audience remarks cards and no other disc. Does deputy mayor? I just have a comment about it. So just as a reminder, this ordinance was put in effect in 2019 and it was really an attempt to raise awareness about the broader problem of single-use plastics in the environment. And I know we'll be voting on this and most likely it will be approved, but as it as this ban is repealed, I would like to re request that staff continue to raise awareness.
And maybe this is for you, Jen, to continue to raise awareness and educate the public on possible more ecofriendly alternatives, not just to plastic, but just as a broader picture if this commission feels like that would be important. Uh, Commissioner Sargent I agree um deputy mayor and I do think that we need more aware uh awareness of the use of single-use plastics and the importance of it. I just don't feel like we need to have this ordinance and government telling you what
to do. Um I think we need less government, not government telling our employees that you can't have plastic straws or our vendors that you can't have single-use plastics on city property. Um, I think we need to take personal responsibility and do what's right for the environment. And you know, I I got to tell you a little story. When I brought this up, someone on social media said, "I hope
that Commissioner Sargent chokes on the straw when he's reincarnated that he's letting go through." how that was online social media. So I I just grown people um writing things like that is is pretty amazing. But that's social media and I'll probably have another comment out there or two. So it's okay. It's they won't say it to your face. They'll just say behind your back. Thank you.
Any other remarks? Um, so do we do we have a consensus on what deputy mayor was asking about a little bit raising more awareness on it on a staff level? Okay. I think we have a consensus on that. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Oh, okay. Yes, sir. Okay. The first read orders. Yeah, it's the first reading of the ordinance. So, we didn't get to the vote yet on that. We're going to vote. Yes, we're going to vote. I I was reading ahead. So, this is basically
a repealer ordinance. It's going to repeal the ordinance that's on the books now. So, you'll have to vote um yes on first reading uh in order to repeal the ordinance that's in the code of ordinances and it'll come back to you for a second reading at the next meeting. So, so you need a motion, a second, and a vote. No, we understand it. But I think that what the deputy mayor was asking about raising awareness on the straws. So I I didn't know if that was just Well, yeah, that's that's that's an extra. Okay. No, no, we got it. Outside the footprint of
what you're doing. That's more of a policy direction that you can give to staff. So, no. Just wanted to make sure that's okay. Uh, we have the motion. We have a second. Uh, city clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. Got one more reading left. Ordinance. Um, city clerk, please read the legal title 9A. Ordinance number 2025-28, an ordinance amending chapter 20, traffic of the city of Ormond Beach code of
ordinances by adding a new section to be numbered and entitled section 20-21, city paid parking lots, repealing all inconsistent ordinances or parts thereof, providing for separability, and setting forth an effective date. The second reading of ordinance number 2025-28 read by title only. Move approval. Second. Randy, do you want to speak on this item? Well, there's not much to add since the first read, but basically this is just going to establish u the predicate in your
ordinance uh for uh the the fees that that you want to charge at the part. And the next step of that will be uh the contract and we're still working on that. So that'll come back before you, but you'll need to have this in place in order for that to occur. So, okay. Um I don't see any cards here for the item. Um any other further discussion? Okay. Commissioner Sargent. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just like to make a comment that this is going to be very much similar to how the county does it once it goes forward. Our residents who tax themselves and did a bond for this park will
not have to pay to park there. It is only for non Volusia County residents um to pay a fee to enjoy the park that our residents are paying for still as that bond has yet to expire and we're still paying it for a few more years. Um, so for them to enjoy our park, they get to pay a nice little fee and and can enjoy it. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just fully support this because if we don't do the same as the county, we're going to be the only free parking lot in Volusia County and they'll
all be there. So, if we don't do it, then it'll be basically full all the time and probably by non-resident. So, thank you. I echo your concerns on that one. Uh, any other discussion? Seeing none, we have a motion and a second. City clerk, please call the vote. Commissioner Sargent, yes. Commissioner Deaton, yes. Commissioner Briley, yes. Commissioner Tolland, yes. Mayor Leslie, yes. We now move on to staff and commission reports, suggestions, and requests, starting with the city
manager, Joyce Shanahan. Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I want to thank the commission for their great work on the budget. We've put you through several meetings and lots of paces and you've really done a great job. And I know these are difficult decisions. Um um but we appreciate all of your hard work. I also would like to recognize Mr. Pringle who is um on our budget advisory board and um he and his his group that you appoint have also put staff through their paces on the budget. So
thank you very much for that. Just a couple of meeting updates. on Wednesday. Wednesday, Wednesday, mark your calendar. September 3rd will be a regular commission meeting. It's on a Wednesday because you cannot have your budget meeting on the same day as the county or the school board. So you um we have to change that to Wednesday. So that's Wednesday, September 3rd and Wednesday, September 17th. Um and that's again due to the truth and millage requirements that you cannot have your budget meeting on the same day or time as the county. On
October 8th we have a grounds maintenance workshop that the commission has previously asked for and um move to national oh on October 8th that's also going to be a Wednesday meeting because of national night out is on a Tuesday. So, please mark your calendars ahead for that. Public's works had a uh held a sandbag distribution event last Saturday. Um staff will continue to monitor storm activity and we'll maintain the sand piles at Nova Rec for any residents who wants to pick up bags
to fill them at any time. All you have to do is bring your ID and go into the recreation center and they'll give you 10 bags to fill. if a storm develops and that is forecast to affect Ormond. We'll have additional manned um events for that. Um I had the great pleasure of going out there on Saturday. Um I just love going out and seeing the guys and I bring them breakfast and that makes me happy because they're so happy to get breakfast. So it was um it wasn't very busy because it was, you know, still nice out and we weren't seeing um I don't know how many bags 50 50 people came
by. Not not many at all. So, um it was uh just good to see the guys out there and they they work really hard and they like bacon, egg, and cheese biscuits and I'm happy to bring them to them. Um Hometown Heroes Banner Program. Uh the parks and recreation department is currently accepting applications for the Hometown Heroes program. If you're not familiar with that program, it's anybody that served in the military and we recognize you and we hang a picture of you on a banner. Um it's great to see um uh families u bring in pictures of their loved ones and
Robert um staff helps them with that process. So all honorees um selected will have a banner displayed on the Granada brid bridge during the month of November um and a replica keepsake banner will be provided. Is the hospital still sponsoring that? Is that Halifax? Halifax or Halifax. They've been really dedicated to that particular program and they do a great job. They have a they do like a little lunch in or drive by lunchon for them. It's really wonderful. There's no cost
to participate but space is limited. So, please call the parks and rec department at 3866763250. Um, Ormond Beach Performing Arts Center. Uh, new shows are being booked every day. Take a look at what's online. You can call the um you can visit the website or call the box office and they will help you out and find a show that is of interest to anyone. Um sensational awards. The parks and recre parks and recreation department received two sensational awards from
the Florida Festivals and Events Association. First place for our Facebook page and second place for our bicycle buddies program in the state of Florida. So, congratulations to our our parks and rec. And I'm available to answer any questions if you have that tonight. Seeing none, I am done. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That was quick. Thank Thank you, Joyce. Uh, does the assistant city manager have any Nothing further. Have a good night. Okay. Uh, city attorney? No, sir. Thank you. All right. This evening, we'll begin with commissioner uh deputy mayor Tolland.
Thank you so much, Mayor. Um what my I have just a few things to to talk about and what I've come to come to learn is you know we're all kind of assigned to um committees you know and I think it's real important that we report what we learn on those committees up on the das to each other. So, I would like to report the um my opioid abatement committee um was rescheduled and will be um postponed to October 8th for lack of quorum over the summer. Um but we do have 19 applicants
of really solid organizations that are asking for dollars to to fund um recovery against and and things against drugs. So, it's it's it's it's all it's a great thing. And I'll report after October 8th who uh received awards. Um I'm also part of the storm water mitigation committee and that's that committee has been working very hard. Uh the county has created a website and what
they're asking each municipality is to um give that information to the county. So would there be one spot where any city can find out what the next city is doing for their infrastructure and for their projects? And I know that and I really appreciate our city manager and our assistant city manager going to these meetings and being um up to date with with what our city needs to do. They talked about um updating um we we talked about the transform 386 which are projects uh
that you can apply for and I think our city's got three in the queue. Um and that's because of the good work of staff. So thank you so much for doing that. Um they did mention at the meeting that now homeowners application is now up and running. So, if there are individual homeowners that qualify for funding for flooding and storm water, but I will say the money is very limited, right? And and probably um a real far reach. Um, we just I just want to make sure that we did have a presentation
from the American Flood Coalition and uh you have to be a member of that to be able to gather their resources and I'm wondering if we have joined. If not, I brought an application for us. I I went on to their website last week and I made contact with them. So hopefully they will reach back out to me. And here's the policy book. If I'll pass that down to you if you don't mind, that'll be great. And then um there's another program called Elevate Florida. It's another pot of money
um to help Florida with their flooding and and all. And we were told there was 477 applicants. Port Orange was approved for 10 projects. Daytona Beach 2, New Smyrna Beach 3, and Ormond Beach 3. So again, kudos to staff for being proactive and and getting grabbing that money. And then um I had the the um luxury of going to the Florida League of Cities annual conference. So thank you so much for allowing me to attend. It was a wonderful opportunity. Learned a lot of things in
different workshops. I was blown away at Altomante Springs technology. They have 100% embraced AI for so many projects um including infrastructure permitting. Um, if you anyone's ever curious, has a curious mind, look up Altomante Springs and what they're doing. It it just was crazy. Um, also some conferences on recovery after storm. We had some wonderful motivational speakers. Um,
and you know, it was just a good good time for us to advocate and supporting our our local voices. And let's see, the only other thing I want to just mention because we've I've gotten a lot of emails is regarding the state um Senate Bill 180. And there's still a lot I don't know about it, but what I do know is um I do appreciate everybody's um passion towards it. I believe that you know the the bill isn't perfect in holistically though I do not think we should fight
it as a holistic bill but I do think we should be very strategic and find the areas that we can um work with our local legislators to amend. And so I would ask and I've already asked anybody that reaches out to me if you have anything specific send it to us and then we can we can address it. we just, you know, if you just say just oppose this bill for for no reason, it it has no bite,
right? You have to really know what you're opposing and why you're opposing. So, I I would um welcome anybody's input and and I appreciate that. So, anything that hurts our local voice, let me hear about it and and we'll we'll take note and and talk to our legislators at the right time. Thank you. Thank you so much and everybody have a good night. Is he good? Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Uh, Commissioner Sargent. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Um, you stole some of my notes, but um I also attended Florida League of Cities um annual conference in Orlando. And Altamonte Springs is where I want the city of Ormond Beach to be when it comes to AI. And this is why I think we need a technology advisory board. When you look at what they have done over there, it is very impressive. And as deputy mayor Tolland said,
you can Google, but I'll give a couple examples. Um, the city, they were the first ones to contract with a Gainesville based company called Auto Review AI. And it normally takes a staff a week or two to review site plans and apply all the necessary codes. After uh starting this new technology, it is now performing this task in minutes all using AI. I mean this is
something that when we talk about efficiencies and reducing places we can reduce our budget, this is an example of where we need to be headed. um as we all should be looking for solutions in our budget. Uh I just was very impressed with with where they've um says uh together we are uh harnessing the power of innovation and technology to revitalize uh the construction industry and
enhance the efficiencies of development processes. It also uh it says altamonte Springs also embraces high tech road solutions to maximize taxpayer dollars. I mean they are just they they're using a robo assist company uh that takes proactive steps in assessing road conditions the cutting edge solutions uh that aid staff for smoother safer streets while m maximizing the impact of
taxpayer dollars and I just think that this is as we go to these conferences we need to look at solutions and what we can bring back to the city of Ormond to hopefully implement because people are doing it. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. All we have to do is make phone calls and see what's working for them. They've already worked out most of the kinks and it's going to cost the taxpayers money. Um, save save. I'm sorry. Thank you. It's been a long day. Um
I also another one of the seminars was on Doge and we'd hear it all the time about um Doge coming into our community and it's interesting to me because we talk about home rule but then we have people that are that say home rule want Doge to come in and tell us how we're running our community. So, it's kind of uh back and forth, but Doge actually put out a 13page document that was provided at the the seminar. And I'll just read a little bit from it because I think it's it's
pretty important. Um, and it says, "How to doge yourself." So, it's a 13-page document on how we can implement it with the city of Ormond, which I think Kelly and staff does an amazing job, but maybe we could provide this document to our budget advisory board. And maybe they can go through it and see how we can be even better. A as we know, we can always improve. No matter how good we are, there's always room for improvement. So, I'll just read a little bit of this. Sorry to bore you, but I think it's it's pretty important. says, "One of the most frequent frequent requests that Doge
is receiving is for assistance, i.e., can you come perform a Doge audit on our jurisdiction or does this project or activity meet Doge principles?" The challenge they are facing is the demand for Doge teams services far outstrips what they can hope to provide with without creating new statewide department agency which obviously is kind of counterproductive to those. You don't want to create another agency, right? Um, so it gives a five-step program and I'll give this to
uh I'll email it to the city manager and she can email it out um and provide it to to staff, but it says, you know, build your team, set your goals, start with simple, dig in deeper, and build for the future. And like I said, I think our staff does an amazing job here. I don't think that there's any question that we're topnotch in this state, but I think maybe by implementing these practices with our budget advisory board and letting them look at it, that way if Doge
does come, we're ahead of the game. Um, so I will email this out. Um, I don't think there's anything else to add on on that. So, uh, a lot of good information at the the conference on SB180. I, uh, also sat in a class with, uh, Rebecca O'Hare, who's the, um, attorney for the Florida League of Cities, and she prepared a three-page document on what they're opposing. the League of Cities is not
participating in a lawsuit because they don't have standing within it and they don't think it's the right way to um go about this issue. They think, you know, you really need to work with your uh elected officials in Tallahassee. And with that being said, I spent a good part of my afternoon at Senator Leek's office today talking to Lynette and explained to her what the concerns are and um and as I think that's the proper way of going about this. I've also talked to Representative
Parttington and I've al explaining to him the the concerns that we have within the bill and I'm very confident that it'll get ratified. Uh, the budget staff, Joyce, Kelly, they're all probably home. They're sick of looking at numbers. Thank you. Thank you for the hard work. It has not been easy to um go through this process as none of us want to raise taxes. We all want to keep taxes low and
services high. And you know, I just really thank staff for all the hard work. And and when I look at, you know, commission, city commission duties, responsibilities of the city commission include the number one thing is adopting an annual budget. That's the number one priority of this commission. And I don't take it lightly. the the book I don't have it in front of me was delivered to my house
on in July right here over the thank you over the summer where I was still working a job taking care of my kids and I went through it line item by line item I went online and pulled the checkbook and went through it and and tried to find as many way to cut as possible I don't see many ways unless we cut our police fire uh vehicles Um, I just don't see any ways. And if anyone out there knows of something, I welcome all ideas because what I look for or I review, maybe I missed something. We're
human and that's okay. So, if you have an idea, I welcome it. Let's not wait until September 3rd and say, "Oh, well, you should have done this." Now's the time. You know, we all had ample time to review it and go line item by line item as I did. I went through previous budgets to see where have we had increases, where can we cut and I got to tell you, we have a great staff who wins awards, financial awards, and does a great great job. And I can't say that enough to staff. So,
thank you. Um, Ormond Main Street is one of the boards that I sit on. And just a little update, we yesterday we had our board meeting and I agree with you, we should be providing these updates on our board meeting so the public knows what we're doing um at all these these things. Um or make sure yesterday we just kind of went through what the yearly initiatives are and and trying to spearhead different committees and and getting that that footprint ready to u of how we're going to tackle the next year. and the Florida or the flood storm water
uh committee that you're on. Thank you. Uh it's pretty impressive out at the airport. Uh Shawn and and Joyce were there. Um, we're very fortunate to have staff that really cares about this city and they take it very seriously the flooding issues and you know other cities are asking if do we have any projects and we have three already that are approved. I mean we're ahead of the game in Ormond Beach and that's because we have such diligent staff. And with that I'll say good night. Thank
you Commissioner Sargent Commissioner Deaton. Thank you. Um, okay. What a week. So, Saturday, my son had baseball at the Nova Rec Fields. And Robert, I just want to give you a quick shout out. They look phenomenal. I know you guys did a lot of work over the summer. They look phenomenal. No lips, nobody getting hurt. I was very impressed. The grass looks great. Very impressed. Thank you for that. While I was there, I made a stop over at the um sandbag filling event and I spoke to a couple of the residents who were extremely grateful that they did not have to wait in a
100 car line that they were able just to come and get them with assistance, get them in their cars and get them ahead of a storm. They were very grateful. So, definitely good event. Thank you for that. Um budget, I did they're they're gone. But I'd like to thank staff. Um I felt like they listened to me. I had concerns with the utilities. I had concerns with our fixed income individuals being able to afford what we were offering and I felt like they listened to me. Um, they took into account a lot of the things that I pinpointed and it I I was very appreciative. I wish they
were here. I would just love to give them a thank you. I will shoot them an email. Um, on a little positive note, I was chatting with a constituent today and she brought up possibly having and I want to get this out there with you guys. see what you think. Um, a citizen spotlight program where we highlight some of the things maybe monthly that our citizens are doing positive in our community, whether it's little, whether it's big. You know, it doesn't have to cost us anything. But I did speak to Becky at Main Street today and she was 110% on board. Said she would be happy to help us
get a business sponsor to give a small gift card each month to whoever we select um for free. we could get them on the city social media just give them a quick spotlight just showing the positive things that they are doing good in our community. I just wanted to get y'all's thoughts on that. So like a catch somebody doing something good type of thing and how how would I think it's a great idea. So here's what I would propose that they would be submitted. Just a quick little form online either on the website on social media. Jen could share a little something to just here's the quick little
form who you're nominating. we, you know, whether city staff just picks, you know, one a month or something that looks like it stands out or we even have a small committee do that, it doesn't matter, but seems like an inexpensive way to really spot like something good in our community. Can I make a suggestion just cuz it's a new project maybe once a quarter, one a quarter? Yeah, I'd love to, but yeah, we'll start with a quarter. That'd be fine. And then then we can see how it's received and I think it's a great idea. I just want to see anything on social media. I want to
see something positive. I I want to feel good. That's all I have. Have a good night. Thank you, Commissioner Deaton. Uh Commissioner Briley. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I won't go over too much of what's already been said. Um well, I agree with with much of what's been said. Um I did want to talk a little bit about Senate Bill 180. Um, all bills have their their their pros and their cons and and Senate Bill 180 is not without that. Um, I don't care for probably like many of you
uh care for Tallahassee overreaches just like Tallahassee doesn't appreciate Washington overreaches. Um, and I understand there's a lot of our residents that are upset about Senate Bill 18. I think part of it part of it's because of the overreach. Part of it is they don't want Tallahassee dictating to to local municipalities, local jurisdictions how uh they can and can't develop or redevelop. Um I know there's concerns from cities, especially those that wanting want
to implement moratoriums over flooding and and I get that and and they may have probably some standing on that. I'm not 100% sure. Um that's for the the courts to kind of decide. My greater concern over Senate Bill 180 for, if I may, the good that I see that it does. For instance, Senate Bill 180 prohibits cities that participate in the National Flood Insurance Program to use
cumulative look back periods to whereas they can look back say 5 years and if a structure has had over 50% of its value damaged by flooding, some cities in this county require either you raise that structure or you tear it down. And I don't feel comfortable telling anyone that they have to be homeless because one or two events may have flooded their home. Okay, I'll give you a great
example. I've got a constituent who's lived in their residence for 36 years. Hurricane Milton is the first time in the 36 years they've lived there, they had 8 in of water in their home. They were displaced from that home for months while mold remediation was done, drywall was replaced, furniture replaced, flooring flooring replaced, the list goes on and on. Cabinets, the whole nine yards. Before Senate Bill 180, if there was another flood this year,
and it could happen. I mean, Hurricane Milton was a a storm of of epic proportion. Uh Shawn, 20 inches of rain in 18 hours or something like that. 22 in 22 inches of rain in 18 hours. I mean, nobody really ex experiences that type of rain that I mean, I've been here all my life. I've never seen that much rainfall in a 24-hour period. Just never. But it could happen again. And how am I going to go to that resident who's been there 36 years and say, "Well,
cumitively from from from Milton to now, you're over 50% of the value of your home. Either you have to raise it or tear it down." And if I force them to raise it or me, the city, what happens to the neighbors on each side? Now they're lower. They could flood. So, there's some good with Senate Bill 180 and there's some bad with Senate Bill 180. But, I think we have to go back to the legislature and get them to work on this and come back with a better bill. But I I can't I can't
penalize the small guy, the little guy. And and this bill does I mean it does say that the cities or jurisdictions cannot go in over cumulative amount of storms to get to that 50%. They can look at one storm but not cumulively. So, that's where I sit with the Senate Bill 1A. Mr. Mayor, thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Briley. I will end by adding to this SB180 and the concerns that we've had and expressed some of the things that we're hearing from the public. I'm pretty sure
that some of you have recently received numerous emails from residents that were concerned as well. Um, and probably a lot of that is because of what they're hearing in some of these other communities that are taking a different approach with this thing. Um, I believe that Edgewater, Deltona, and New Smyrna Beach have decided that they're going to go um the legal direction on this thing. Uh, which probably might make sense because they're just kind of dealing with different issues right now. Um, but I will say that I did meet with every one of our delegates one-on-one uh with the
exception of Senator Leak who was on vacation that week um that said to me and I have a letter or two from some of them that I could share uh later on with through the city clerk if that's okay. Um of support of this is anything on the Senate Bill 180 that we're concerned about that they will work with us to make any kind of amendment on the next legislative session. So I feel pretty good about that. Um and they were very confident in saying that. Uh so the meetings went very well, I'll say. Um with that said though, um maybe uh we can at least uh join Volusia County in sending
um some kind of letter of saying that we'd like to work with the legislators to um make an amendment and we can, you know, lobby or even have our lobbyist um help with that as well. Um, I think that's Doug Bell. Um, so if everybody's open to that, um, I think that would be a good direction to go and work with our delegates because we have a good relationship with every one of our delegates and they have all expressed that if there is any thing that they can do, they will they will do. Yeah. I don't know what the county's letter would say per se without reviewing it. So,
I wouldn't be I wouldn't object to us doing our own letter. Okay. In fact, couple that with if the county sends a letter, that's fine. But if we do if we do our own letter, I'd be all support. Yeah, I'm okay with just doing our language, too. I just saying that for formality reasons, but if we're if everyone's okay with that, we can have maybe city clerk or somebody prepare that. So, what exactly you're asking us to write a letter? What's it going to say? Well, I we need to request amendments, but we need to know specifically what we're wanting to amend. I'm I'm not really
I we do need to work with our legislators. I And I appreciate you reaching out to them. I don't h I don't want to I don't think we need to go into specifics, Commissioner Tolland. I think what we just want to say what what I would want to say is we understand there's some there there's some potential benefits to this bill. We also see there's some negatives to this bill and we'd like the opportunity to work with you all to amend the legislation next session. That's kind of a given, right? I mean, that's what we're all I think maybe can staff ask Doug Bell what's the best approach
for Yeah, let's do it that way. I feel better and then come back to us and advise us what we can um what how he advises us to cuz that's what we hire him for cuz he's very well connected up there and knows how the operations work up there better than we do and he can come back and and let us know what he needs from us and then we can go from there. Okay, I think that's fair. Is that everyone agrees on that? We got it. Okay, great. Thank you, Joyce. Um uh going back to um Commissioner Sargent's comments about AI, I will say that in the uh uh convention that we
were at the conference, there was a lot of things that I saw that was beneficial to AI and some of those benefits actually even included better services and less of a cost. And so I really liked some of the technology I saw out there. Um, and that's what the technology is here for. It's here to make things easier and and more efficient and a lot of times even saving money, too. Um, so I would be in favor of put formulating um some type of AI board and getting some residents here
that really might know this stuff better than we do and advise the commission on some things that we can implement that'll be beneficial to the city and um and hopefully save us even money, too. So, as far as that goes, um the I I do serve on the First Step Shelter Board and just some updates on that as well. Um I believe Jen put it on the city uh website or the social media about the Thousand New Beginnings. Um that's going to be on uh next month between 1 and 4. And I didn't
write the date down, so I'll give you the date on that. It's on a Sunday uh September 21st. Um, so that's open to the public. That will be at the First Step Shelter. Um, and you can just kind of walk in, walk out on your own free, uh, will. Um, also at the last board meeting, um, the, uh, attorney had some concerns about us meeting at the shelter, uh, for the board meetings because, uh, there might be some conflicts about allowing some, you know, having somebody from the public
come and they have to give their ID and stuff like that. Um, so they're going to move the location somewhere else and that's going to be too deep uh to be determined. I'm not sure exactly where that location will be, but I will update everyone uh to let you know when that location will be as we move forward. Uh with that, I'm going to adjourn the meeting and thank you everyone for coming out.