##VIDEO ID:NIT-T5OMnAQ## all right this is our special city council meeting our budget Workshop it's Monday September the 9th 4M with that we'll have a r call Mayor ran here councelor Phils here counc Richards here councelor penr here counselor vck here um all right so old business real quick um there's a couple things this is an updated uh payroll sheet the one from the previous session somehow it took these numbers and then added another 5% so it was actually at a 10% cost so the numbers are reduced for payroll you'll see that um for some of the Departments mostly I think it was Kane's guys we figured out this morning as we were going through there so this is the most up to- date recent um this is with 5% what you said yeah so so this is with that that 5% but the last one I handed out was supposed to be 5% but somehow those numbers got all messed up and they were wrong so this is the most current up toate one um with the correct numbers as we go through that's the only thing with that cheap yeah that's the only with that CH it's just updated numbers um and then I'm still waiting to hear back from the insurance there was something from last week with that umbrella insurance I'm still waiting to hear back from our insurance companies to you know if that's something why that was in the budget in the first place and then what that really would mean if we got coverage for something we could take that out so I'm still following up on that I don't really have anything more with that so any questions thus far okay so you'll see again today you've got three separate sections this is the breakdown the last last group here is the big breakdown as before um these kind of have a few extra it looks like fun account stuff as we go through um but it's all the same as the last previous ones you know highlighted the top of the page for which sex or department and then the year actual as we go through and then again this one this is the the first one that was in there this is again the breakdown for each department as we go through each one just as before and then this one this is Kane's breakdown of what he was initially asking for and like I said we'll kind of go through these numbers are slightly different than what's presented in the preliminary because we cut back from the asking already in the preliminary to help bring the budget down some more that make sense okay so we will start with the first section here K if you want to start it off yeah public works department 43,000 um we'll see salaries and wages now this includes five full-time employees one part-time employee Plus on call plus overtime plus 5% uh what you'll see there is that there are no seasonal people next year and that is by my request and the rest of the Department's request to uh not have seasonal next year do you have issues yes yeah I don't need to get into the details but uh just not being Asic efficient as we as we could be with uh with those seasonal employees had some had some breakdowns and I get that you'll have that with with just about anyone it could happen to me you know uh but this year was a we had a lot of breakdowns and last year we did two and so I think the reoccurring theme Here is that seasonals just haven't been working the way I would like to see so with that I've proposed adding a position a full-time employee and then what that does is that kind of plays into our sewer utility uh having having enough uh Manpower where we can assign someone to the Sewer treatment facility to gain knowledge to gain hours right now it's minimal at best uh the public work staff is getting at the treatment facility just because we don't have that capacity I can't just give somebody up for an entire week and say go do that plus there's other things that kind of play into that the the plant's not quite done it's not finished there's there's uh some things there that kind of play into that as well soing for 2025 I hope to have a little bit more structure where we can rotate a sewer guy a water guy parks and then kind of a flex position right somebody calls City Hall and says there's a cat in the tree or there's a pothole whatever that Flex position can kind of go and get some of those those uh those tasks those requests done and not pull one of us off of another department so there's some rotation in mind but making sure all of the staff get the uh the required hours to obtain those licenses that's that's the key here I thought that's what we were doing when we hired the fourth one that there was this year was to be out there to do the water and sewer yeah now you want a fifth one to go out and do the water and sewer just just sewer well yeah I'm just I'm trying to figure out how to do this my concern too is you know at what point were you planning on doing that because winter is coming up you're you're going to be light during the winter you know could you maybe think about doing uh a part time starting maybe next spring and then if it works from the part-time to put him in as full-time instead of doing seasonal um I think the benefit of having the full-time position there is is to have it ready to go from the get-go not trying to switch because then we're adding another part-time and then still have to plan for a fulltime yeah I know the sorry didn't cut off I know the intent with getting a fourth person on from my understanding this was obviously done before I was in here was to get that person there but their workload has exceeded what they've been doing with everything going on they haven't had those opportunities yet and while I'm sure there's stuff that will you know in the winter time I don't want to say it'll die down because it's one of those things they're going to be transitioning from Summer duties to Winter duties there's stuff that they haven't been able to get to the summer because they've been busy with doing stuff that's more summer focused whereas winter focused they need to have that and the other thing is I look at this and I go you have Public Works where you've got you know water sewer streets Parks there's a lot of different areas under this one and it's there's just I don't know the focus of having the Staffing to be able to cover all those different areas is important yeah I I just feel that we're stretched pretty thin right now when when we when we're down an employee when we're down a person for a day or a week or whatever it may be the the whole department kind of doesn't suffer but the workload has to be absorbed somewhere and I find myself and my staff needing to be three places at once right we don't have the the the amount of Manpower we need to to absorb when somebody does take some time off and I just know that the workload is is still there and as I would like to see things you know go off the list but every day more things go on the list it seems like and so well there's going to be less next year too because everybody's going to be hooked up to Water and Sewer basically with the 12 months that that we've given them to do that and so your inspections are going to be less next year than what they are this year and is there anything that there is in the budget for water and sewer that you could turn around to help pay for this where it's not coming out of city if we're spending a person that's up there full time I'm just I'm asking so I I think there's some we're going to save some money without paying the the seasonal employees right we're going to save some money there you know that'll offset that new position somewhat yeah but you're also looking at putting in you know the extra burden that there is for for the costs that go along with it with the PTO and everything that's associated with that with a full-time person Absolut that you're not having with a seasonal person or a part-time person but I also think there's going to be growth in Town whether it be housing and Commercial is coming as well that's going to take in a lot of their time they're going to need that extra body it's not just the the inspections for the phase 1 a stuff there's going to be a lot more and with all it which we're already experiencing is there's a lot of problems with this anyways along the way they keep getting interrupted to deal with problems from this phase 1A so their time is still monopolized by this so having that extra person can help alleviate some of that no I was just wondering this way with the cost that there is behind it coming if this is where we're we're spending it is for the water and sewer not to be able to come from the water and sewer part of I'd love to to to absolutely take money out of the water and sewer to fund this position I think uh think that's something that we're going to need to uh sit down and think long and hard about at our next budget meetings when we do go over the water and sewer utilities and come up with an actual realized cost of what this utility takes to run I think the numbers are skewed right now and and uh yeah I I think we have any true costs established yet uh what you're asking Kane on this on this number here that's for everything that's the new guy too right yeah it's 363 yeah that is the uh is there a way we can kind of break that down so we know where that break it it's right here works I mean I just I feel that we are going to have to ramp up um but I also if if we are I think we should have a plan on how we're doing it I mean I agree with Jim that that new person was supposed to be for going out to the the new plant but I also know how things happen you know um I think we were in my viewpoint I think we were short anyway people for buing before 2024 I yeah absolutely I believe we were short-handed uh I find myself kind of doing two positions at once you know I I find myself and that's fine you know I'm a I'm a working director that's fine but uh we're getting to the point where I can it'd be nice to have set aside time so I can just do the directing and but that takes me out of the field somewhat so it's been a it's been a struggle this year the the workload is is up there and uh you know with with uh sewer and water connections increasing this year in next year uh that's just that many more locates that many more uh water services that me more backflow preventers uh it's a lot with that I I agree with Jim um to is there a way that we can fund it from water and sewer or even partially funded you know so the hit isn't quite so big but I think our biggest problem is going to be we don't have the hookups yet and we're not bringing in the money to those funds but we'll get into that a little bit more later this week but right now the funds just aren't there I know we just paid out was a last payment PFA one yeah well we ar spending the money on seasonal anymore either say what if we do this we aren't spending the money on seasonal correct so you can deduct that off 43,000 and that's what you got to come up with SE live 15,000 or whatever there were no benefits now with full time we have to realize there's going to be benefits you know the retirement um comp time all of that stuff that we didn't have with with the seasonal that's the other thing too you want to bring up comp time I mean our guys are floating a lot of hours because they put in a lot of hours and they can't take time off I don't know how many times have I told you in the last two months to take time off and I and I did you which I appreciate because one of those ones I don't want them getting burnt out because they can't take their time off or they feel they can't take their time off because there's not Staffing and I think that's a big indicator that we're short um after had we had learned way back months ago how much comp time was on the books me that's an indicator that we're short yeah well so I think you made a good point about um you're on call just about all the time you know outside of your sitting down at your desk and doing stuff you know and I every time I stop at the shop and look at your whiteboard and I see literally Columns of work that needs to be done that's not getting done because you don't have the staff and they're all very important items otherwise you wouldn't have put them on that board to begin with so I to me I think it's it's worthy of the of the fifth employment I think that's I think that the U you know we talk about water and sewer and the only time we really from a council perspective the only time we really touch water and sewer at determining percent of increase it's not a 100 budget item te Tech technically outside of this 100 fund we don't talk about the funds the 200 funds the 425 funds the water the sewer we've never touched them before because it's not a general budget tax levy number so we concentrate on that and we increase our rates for 5% sewer 3% sewer or 5% sewer and 3% water or whatever that number is and we see that when the auto report comes back and we saw that last meeting at we're below so that's our indication of our revenues and expenditures are not meeting our goals so the only we can do is raise the fees correct so I think this is this is the only re this is the only way we can really support you for the work that needs to be done for the next year the next year there will be more potential growth that's going to be more locates that's going to be more time for everybody else to step up so I think this this position I'm requesting is it's going to help out the utilities it will but it also helps out the general fund it helps out Parks streets roads facilities more things that we could be doing actively doing things we can get done within a week right as as Ryland said things on the board stay on the board because they're not getting done we we don't have enough time you know look back to the flood this year at River Park and the tree damage in oral Park I mean there were significant weeks that went by where we just couldn't devote the time to to be there and it and it's so okay on this one when you're looking though you were talking taking about putting the one person out there at the plant okay now you're talking about having the other person here to help out with the other stuff I'm trying to figure out is there going to be a person that's going to be out there at the plant that's going to be learning about doing this stuff that's that's the entire goal here is to is to get our staff on a rotation at the treatment facility where they can log those hours document those hours gain knowledge of the facility and our ultimate goal here someday is to not have a contracted service out there right now we're paying roughly $600 a day to have people's Services there right and and that's that's part of the contract that's what they do there's a lot that they do for that $600 a day but that's a that's a that's a it's a huge part it's a huge expense of the sewer utility and how have they been lately have they been more open letting somebody go in there and watch and and and Shadow them you know once the project is complete I hope to uh have that have a little bit more of that uh Authority with people's Services right now the project is not complete we're in contract with stab the general contractor but we're also in contract with peoples but there's this gray area of the contract work isn't done the plant isn't done it's not complete so it's there's a gray area there and it's so these things just out of curiosity things that are are on a schedule that they should have been completed or or it's you know yes Jim uh you know back in uh February there was an email that was sent out to everyone all the parties involved hey when can you be completed with all of your tasks right they their punch list punch list items construction everything when is a good date for you we sent that out to all the cont contractors all the vendors everyone involved and it they came back one person said we can't make a month work from now March 18th but we can make March 25th work so there it was there that schedule was set to get the lift stations operational to send Flo to the treatment facility so that kind of triggered all that work that took place in February and March the plant still is not 100% operational that is that is true today the plant is still not 100% operational there are punch list items we've asked for for uh Clarity when these will be done and it's just they're they're out there the engineers know the contractors know but the work is not finished well then there's there's reciprocating actions that that the city council can take on that because you know you either start holding money back whatever ever it is but I for me for one I would cut other places to to help fund this because I I do believe you know based on the Cent time and um based on everything that that's happening and the fact that you don't have somebody out there you know that's that's cause for concern um but I do understand what you're saying so I think with that and put a plan together put put a timeline but I think this is needed maybe in our city council meeting our regular meeting we had to be putting Joe's feet to the fire a little bit on that's right getting us a timeline on when this stuff will be done AB absolutely no reason we don't have a timeline and Joe has been doing that yeah Joe hasing and I've seen him we'll talk about it tomorrow night at the water and sewer yeah all the updates that are currently been done still waiting to do with the subcontractor so so I think with Jim's comment I think we just need to move on with our time to recognize this is potential but uh we won't discuss or we won't decide that tonight because we need to keep moving along with other groups too so we kind we kind we kind of need to put a number down so we know where we're at for well we can we can use this as a starting point for the preliminary that's what we're ultimately trying to do tonight how it works I'll present the preliminary exactly and then you guys approve the final in December so it's one of those but like I said I'll tell you this we're hmer a lot of time out right now right now with the numbers that are in there that includes this new person you know we obviously we still have some few things to go over the next couple days but with the adjustments made from the previous one our tax increase is only at 99.8% this year so we're sitting very low it's not you know most most places they get up to that you know tax rate of 60 some per and and they kind of hang out 3 to 4% each year around that area we're our tax rate is 51.4% projected for 2025 with a increase this year for of 99.8% so we got this as low as we can we've I've done the work cutting down as much as we can but this included that like so I think you know where we're at is still sitting comfortably even with adding this person I 9 99.8% that's how much the taxes that were raising the taxes is that tax is that the not the levy increase the taxability number we're we're only allowed to tax so many dollars you talking about that number our tax our tax availability yes I don't understand what you're we I don't a city is a city a municipality is only allowed to tax so much tax up to 100 and something percent of the tax that mean what that's what I'm ask that the number we're talking about or we talking about the dollar 41% of that tax capacity that we well 51% is what it would be last year number 51 for this year yeah so up 9.8% on capacity yes from last year which if you look at the when and we get to that you know you look at that you're looking at 300,000 and some change overall that's the tax capacity according to the county so you know there's a that's the change difference in the Years 300,000 from 2024 to 2025 so but I just I just want to get that out there that we budgeted we put it in there and we considered that when before bringing it to you in a budget where it's already been kept low so you're saying that's at 300,000 for that so far that's the difference between 202 24s and 2025 total tax capacity from the county is roughly 300,000 some change it's gone up 300,000 so okay let's go to your m p and Roads okay I I'm going to cover this one real quick so streets and Roads we got there's nothing in there um however if you look at the the sheet the expenditure sheet it says that there's $1,685 the reason for that is if you flip to the streets and Roads sorry Street lighting has nothing but on the expenditures there's an expenditure in there for the electricity if you flip to streets and Roads the number the that's here on streets and Roads is the same one that is there on the street lighting one so that apartment number is the same it never got changed when it got put in here by the previous administrator it's called electricity then yeah so you'll see on the electricity these numbers the same ones so basically I put the 10,000 over here because it was moved over to streets and Roads last year but because the number never got changed by the previous ad administrator it doesn't show that in the budget it messed up the budget weird um so that's like I said some of the difficulties is these numbers it looks like they were just copied and pasted and into the spreadsheet and moved over and not actually adjusted appropriately so that is street light eaten there should be nothing under street light e so then we go into streets and Roads and like I said the electricity um is is moved over there correct um K you can go ahead so Department 43003 streets and Roads we removed salaries employee health benefits par payroll taxes all that stuff is being covered in the public works the first sheet we went over salaries and wages so there's two items there Street Maintenance and electricity for the street lighting uh I would like to see a significant increase in our streets and Roads uh instead of taking out of CIP every other year I'd like to just see a larger annual budget there to keep up with these repairs and not let them go another year and and and lose these streets you know if we can keep on maintaining them every year maybe they'll last longer I agree with that so there's there's a number there 70,000 I mean I I think that's low we've got over 22 miles of streets and Roads and they a majority of them need attention and and simple things like crack filling and striping are a major expense and uh if we can just take on some of that at an annual rate and instead of a a CIP more of a a big project kind of picture that's how we've done it in the past you know every other year we'll we'll take out 75 50 to 100,000 for a street ceiling street street uh crack filling project I guess what I'm saying is every other year it's getting away from us these streets and roads are not they're not they're not in that good of shape to be doing that with some of them to get caught up on and that's why I'd like to see a larger increase here if you guys recall last year there was a proposed $250,000 worth of work to be done right we looked at front edge road River Park multiple areas and ultimately we decided on just doing the uh the Northwest Frontage Road and uh that was the only thing we did so essentially there's two $100,000 on the books from last year's that we did not get done so you know even 70,000 a year isn't going to be able to keep up with and so that's why I would just like I'd like to see an increase and 70,000 is a is a conversation piece so no I think that that you're right off of that as our population increases so does our traffic that there is off of the roads uh quick question just on this um over because I'm in and out of Austin A lot of times okay on their roads over there they seem to put down like a tarbase and then put sand on top of it okay and then they leave that for a few weeks or whatever it is to try to help maintain that that that top surface that there is and they sweep it up afterwards Rock see I mean it have we tried doing that to see if that helps unless cost we've done that we've done that every other year uh certain places uh this last year we did the Northwest Frontage Road and we actually uh did one step further we did a fog seal on top of that and that helps kind of the higher traffic higher speed roads uh typically the low volume roads the downtown roads the cacs typically we don't do that fog seal people like it because it kind of glues down that that that Aggregate and it stays on the road instead of going into your driveway and into your house and uh but typically we don't do that on low volume roads no I'm just trying to find some way to do this to kind of help you know and so something to shoot for there Jim would be uh about every five to 10 years based on the the amount of traffic is when you should do a a crack fill and Chip seal but just because we've got brand new roads today because of the sewer project within 5 to 10 years we're we're going to need to crack fill and Chip seal and so all that all that new road we see today I mean we need to start budgeting for that so like I say the 70,000 that's in here as a kind of a placeholder conversation starter how much is it per mile you know what it is per mile to do that chip seal that we use it all depends on the width you know price of oil price of oil the price of aggregate yeah it's there's a lot that go into just a mile worth of and there's some of that I know you guys have put the the cold the the cold fill in there and some of it was too big for you guys to be doing it um but you did it to save money I do think that we need somewhat of a stockpile yeah we're we're getting by with with the measures that we're doing for streets and Roads we're just we're getting by um like I said be nice to just to have a little bit of wiggle room every year to say hey we've got $50,000 worth of Patchwork and Chip ceiling that needs to be done right and now we can get a yearly contractor to come in here and and just keep chipping away not go every other year because you know things just keeps going up each year need to whittle at it somewhere I think it's an important part really is is is that so so what's our number well I well we got it right now at at at 100 basically right we taking electricity out we got 94 electricity is out right no electricity this is where electricity got moved to okay so number yeah I would I would like to see well let's go through the bud but I would like to see us be able to put more into there in into the streets I think that's that's even just gradually go up to it and I think that was the initial starting point was you we had talked about months ago was like we should shoot for 100 and there was like okay well let's go 75 I think so you end up asking and even that's you know that's like a 200 plus percent increase and I think why we settled on that 70 cut back a little bit it's going to be a sticker shock but if we can gradually go hey every year we're going to add 20 grand to this until we hit you know 150 and we can maintain that and get to a level or 150 whatever that final number would be um you know I think that would be better for the community so that it's not a big this year like oh we're GNA shoot for a 100 and then now we've got to try to find 30,000 to cup from other budget areas so we're not talking about the electricity we're just talking about the Street Maintenance just the Street Maintenance portion because the lights the lights of the lights you gotta have them but but I will add to that Paul if if we do want more lighting that's always a possibility and that has been a request through through some residents is to add addition lighting the West Front Road we just did three over there yeah you know so with that if if we're going to plan for additional lighting every year that street or that electricity one should go up right now that's a that's no more new lights that's just maintaining what we have that's just paying the electric bill just paying the electric bill you were 22,000 last year yeah for that so you only went up by by 2,000 just and that's one of those ones that was you know looking at the year to date we're at you know 10 11,000 roughly with a few months left but in case somebody hits a light Po that we have you know that's a big expenditure so it's always good to have somebody hits a light Po Insurance yeah but other things where if there's something you know I don't we're using most of the LED lights aren't we in town now so we got that y okay so people's just helping us with that which is great okay so let's go to pre removal on those this where we're Landing then 75 leave it there and and see because i' like to yeah I think we need more I think we need we need to do more I need to do it it's just a fall behind project if you don't stick with it do we ramp that number up right now then I'm hearing that I I would let's let's go up to one okay because I mean that's everybody in town know benefits from that 75,000 out get you're saying move 75 to 150 yeah 70 oh to 70 70 to 150 I see 75,000 what am I missing that's that's on Kane's asking one the other one is this one this is the preliminary it's on here in here Jason C 5,000 so that would raise if we put in 150,000 that would raise our tax increase this year to 12.1% I think that's a a huge jump maybe can we do a 100 then do yeah I'd say a 100 to the rest of the budget yet days of budget to go anyway that's something for us to keep in mind and I would like because I I think we need that the big thing is is look at that street we got we got to people are complaining about the streets yeah a lot but 70 grand will get us get us a start I'm just worried about the last year that's why I put 70 just to keep it lower to and it may be one of those things where okay we'll look at you know what is our electricity well it's all within streets and Roads if we can add a little bit more from electricity we're not adding to the budget but we're just moving five grand from electricity to why would we take five grand from well you're in to date well this if that's the electricity is just for street light street lights you know I don't know you know like I said but I I think the 70 is a good number it's a huge increase and I think it's a great starting point as we continue to grow into a budget and getting comfortable with it actual in the lighting that's all that's all because of the LED bulbs right it's only 72 $0000 right now got another got another third of the year to go or fourth last quarter to go here actual year to dat 7200 on the lighting that's that's Street M no no never mind yeah the lighting is 10,000 we're right at that we'll we'll we'll spend that yeah it's so then streets and Roads then maybe we leave it because you're saying it's a big increase from 24 yeah it's a 200% increase and like I said it's one of those after I this budget was made after looking at and hearing about last year I don't want us to get in that I want us to be able to go pretty much just preliminary a few changes but realistically like 10% is pretty reasonable Rochester just did theirs are a little bit higher than 10% like we're I think 9% is what we're at but we're in that realm where it's it brings us up it covers us and it it's not impious to have that much in there like so it's doable to and with that it's able to go okay in the future years we're going to add 20,000 a year to this or 30,000 or maybe next year you know what we've got more businesses we got more whatever we can we can up it next year you know to 100 or something like that that was my reasoning behind it yeah you guys want me to put in another number you got good reasoning I'm just looking at what what the conditions are some of these roads that's that's the only reason why I'm saying it it's it's a concern but the 150 scares me but I I like the idea of being able to work up do it okay and not just slam it in there you have to look at it too when they when they did when we did the water and sewer project a lot of the roads got completely replaced yeah you know so those those are some of the stuff that can be stretched out so that that's a boost in itself of said we still got 200,000 from last year that didn't get done so it's one of those there's always going to be road work needing to be done and the list will keep getting longer no question so I we were both happy with the 70,000 increase let's leave it at that pre removal pre removal tree removal I I upped the tree removal this year you guys uh for 2024 I had requested uh I had requested 25,000 for 2024 and that's where we actually cut that was one of the areas that I I I not allowed but you know we were looking for places to cut last year and I said you know that would be a place we could we could cut some of the tree budget and uh but after this year and the amount of tree work that has that has happened and could happen I feel like I need to get that back up to my original request for 2024 and that is 25,000 lot of work didn't we stop at 24 last year more of that come out I we went down to 15 okay and we got we got fairly lucky this year with some of that tree damage you know the trees were going to be a lot more money and they actually they we had a little a weather event that kind of knocked them down even further so it could have been far worse and there still is tree damage and tree work to be done and like I expect for 2024 I wanted 25 but I settled at 15 so I'm trying to get that one back up to where it needs to be as well I mean some of these things go ahead sorry I me I think trees are just more than just Parks they're they're RightWay trees they're there's more to that tree budget than just a tree out here you know an ash tree or something that's I think there's a lot of trees that haven't been touched because you don't have the man power eventually tilford's pine trees not here need to be cut they're getting pretty close to Road that's another reason yeah so um in in terms of the like dropping trees and tree removal all of that um do we ever put it out for bids you have yep okay so the I know we talked about it last time the the arborist of Rochester they've got they've submitted their numbers to us uh I think they did that two years ago now and they were the the cheaper of the I think we got one from halfway as long as we are knowing that we're you know well you're doing better too because you got a tree Fuller too that we've got and some of that stuff is coming in for equipment for you yep that we're not using outside you know to do it and see that's that's what happens when the Public Works staff grows equipment and Manpower additional help I mean we can take on more things and we can do more uh I just know that we we haven't touched a lot of our trees because we just don't have the budget to do shop what number do we set 25 25 that's potential so in the shop budget here you'll see uh we removed property insurance Automotive workers comp those things are that are going to be covered Jason elsewhere yep uh but what you see here with the shop is the shop supports all of the city's departments whether it be water sewer Parks facilities that shop uh essentially Services everyone so I think there's a good number on that I mean I don't think anything that stands out that's that's that's a negative off of this for the shop I think it would all look pretty good there was some slight increases but electricity heating we kept the same we up the gas oil miscellaneous we got another vehicle so it's going to use more gas you don't know what the price of gas is going to be next year either so and you know with a with a with another employee another full-time employee that's just that much more people using tools and and equipment and so any questions on the shop no no I think that's good um next one on your list is the dam the dam is paid off well there's nothing so that'll be zero there just for everybody's background that those payments started in 2016 and that was our contribution to uh the dam removal and the river all done that was the city's it was a $60,000 contribution and they just filled US every year or so that's been paid all uh parks and W you'll see we took out the salaries and wages uh the insurances so reimbursement cell phone reimbursement y what's the subcontracted wages for parks and rec GES 480 bucks did really and so we we remove that because we we've never used that if you look back 24 23 we've never used that so we removed that electricity stayed about the [Music] same we we went down a little bit but water sewer and garbage just based on this year's numbers um so we cut a little there gas oil miscellaneous we're going to increase that a little bit we're we're tracking we're going to hit that number this year uh repair maintenance buildings we added some there uh one thing to consider is uh remodeling or creating a project for the or Park bathroom facility uh since that now is on the city sewer system it' be nice to update that with flush toilets uh a little bit of HVAC a little bit of better ventilation so that is going to be a larger project possibly a CIP uh request so the most part we're just we're just keeping that somewhat flat uh $2,500 slight increase we up the uh equipment repair and maintenance we did increase the grounds and mower maintenance as well too the 39,000 what's that include that that so that's always a new mower every year so uh this fall here will be will be selling off the the oldest Mower and purchasing a new mower so that's that's right around the a new more is right around $118,000 right now so how old is the oldest more it'll have three seasons on it how many you know you have hours on that uh 600 somewhere in that window so that's what it'll be on it when you pedal it possibly more it's it's getting used you know every day so about 200 hours a year 250 more like so we'll be you know we need we need money for that and with that you know there's there's repair and not just the mowers but the grounds as well so lot of parks that we take care of so so we had a lot of repairs on those Moors just the skag ones yeah this year we have are they basically you after you that's what he's referring to at the seasonal stuff they're hard on equipment yeah because they don't care you know I mean it's just they're seasonal one thing I would like to see you do is put slow moving vehicle signs on where them guys be bop in and off the street to be a good idea for them to you ever thought about Contracting the mow the mowing Contracting it yeah uh you know we haven't entertained that idea um there some of it yeah that's that's always a possibility absolutely uh I don't know if that would save money but like I said just an idea or thought you we haven't entertained that to date right so with I'll say this with the mowers you got to think of them like a vehicle like a Parks vehicle or if you're you know if we had a police vehicle stuff like that they're on a life cycle they're on a rotation hours or use or years right you don't run until they're in the ground and dead because by that point you're throwing way more into them and you know then you have run the chance of oh it's dead now a short one so there's that life cycle rotation that he's got going with those just like you would with a vehicle where yep there's sure there's still maybe another year or so in it but it's also you know there's a chance that something really could you know could go wrong with it or anything else so it's good to keep those rotations we'll sell them and when they're in better condition we get a little bit more for them coming back um then waiting that full term to wait for it to basically just be junk how many some Acres if you throw the lake bed in there it's it's it's up it's over 80 acres okay you have the lake bed in there you Mo the lake bed that's just well you'd be surprised if you don't keep up on it it don't Mo the whole lake B you just Trails portions of it yep so let me ask Kane you're the last more because I think we sold one last year right what did we ever get for that we got 7500 for it okay so the seal us yep we'll talk about that in the council meetings to come but most likely do that or trade in that's the other option for us in the next coming Council meetings we'll be discussing that do we get that much in trade in yeah or do we get better that's fig like a car a toss up it's a tossup it's a tossup but the warranty working with Hilltop gives us a relationship because there has been some things that in the past that the given us break because of the relationship you know one thing one thing about it yeah one thing about it is our mower was down this year and uh waiting on parts and we actually borrowed bills He he'll let us use his as a loner yeah so I mean it's that's a great relationship there he's he's an awesome guy for that offsets the cost you know rather than using it till it's dead and then we get enough correct uh the rest of the numbers there slight increases I did up the training budget uh course if we do get another uh employee but also there's just there's more training out there for our staff and right now we're doing the bare minimum we're sending them to a a pesticide workshop and a a a tree workshop and that's there's more that we could be doing with our staff furthering their knowledge furthering their their uh ability to the city well you're already up right now at 3379 for the year you know over the budget so if you're looking at that that 4500 is is very much in line to to what's going on okay what about uh for for school and that stuff for for the sewer we're going to be able to do some other training for that is that included in there or how that come that'll come out of the sewer and water budgets okay I just want because I know there's got to be some some classes and training with that yeah and that's a whole another world because the southeast League of what is it Southeast League of municipalities as a water treatment yeah they're working with the community college in Rochester for a program to train Al or Austin Austin sorry I thought it was in Rochester I feel familiar with all the locations for but anyways they're working with one of the local area universities to have a program that I think they're supposed to be trying to get it going this fall was the the push I don't know where they're at with it but to be able to uh you know Supply classes to train people to give them that training so I know Austin's coming in with a new sewer project too so there going to be some training over there which makes sense yeah but there's a lot of smaller cities like in you know even to the north of us they're Tri group coming in with their rework and stuff it's a it's a big push right now for that training so that is something that we've talked about as well is trying to get people into those so like to say when we talk about water and sewer utilities later this week we're going to try and you know increase the training budgets there that you know that training budget comes out of those utility funds so this would be just for for Parks right now okay is there anything else with this one no I think consider getting the back bling more you what I think consider getting the back bling more more I thought that more than 80 acres a week work for the schools we more 500 Acres a week two backwing mowers and and two more trailers with double wings with with two a crew of two on the each of the trailers you eight people a week more go in a pretty good place so on this main budget here this in 20 minutes on the preliminary budget when it comes to you'll see a section for general maintenance ground keeping that was moved to parks and W so there'll be nothing in there when it comes time to that and then seasonal general maintenance I marked on here not hiring 2025 again that one just had payroll and salaries for the seasonal stuff so when you see that that's what's going on with those but that I believe is all we had for today any other final comments questions i' make I'll make one more comment so everything tonight you guys there's there's not a lot of extra in there you there's there's no really additional equipment there's no additional larger purchases as far as vehicles and you know obviously there's some needs in the sewer utility and the water utility but as far as Parks go I I didn't add do I want to add equipment do I want to add items absolutely do we need them I I think so so uh but what I'm going for is what's more concerning to me is the right amount of people for this town and I'm I'm asking you for this new full-time position I hope that's the right number you know someday when we do take over city sewer and when we do take over possibly snow removal those numbers will increase as the town grows that number will increase so but I think too if we increase here it'll I would think we would see some decrease in the comp time you know abely those types of things so you know we're going to pay it one place or the other you know and and we don't again we don't want to burn people out that's that's not a positive thing so you take you take you take five people they each G they each gain five weeks a year that's 25 weeks a year that's 25 weeks a year vacation you know that's that's that's that's your summer seasonal guy plus the guy that covers your other vacations and then there then it gets paid out so we're paying it one way or the other way or another you're paying it out but I think the guys want to have the time off too they just want to make pay they I totally get it okay Workshop closed 4555 thank you very much tomorrow night is five yes no yeah 5 6:30 thank you than for making it