There we go. Thank you. Good. All right. Hey, good evening. It's our monthly Are you recording? >> We are recording. I cannot see the participant screen. >> That's a partic.
>> Thank you. >> All right. That's our um April 21st, 2026 uh newly city council meeting. With that, we'll do a roll call. >> Mayor, >> sorry, >> she's running the roll call. >> Mayor
>> here. >> Councelor Phillips, Councelor Pendergrass >> here, >> councelor Rice Dorber here. Councelor String here, >> Joe Palin. Okay. is here and I am here.
>> Okay. Next item for time is our motion to approve the agenda as proposed. >> Motion to approve the agenda. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> I've got one item I'd like to add. >> Okay.
What is that? um under parks probably trails probably B I believe where it'll go and I've got a handout about allowing um the Pine Island Baseball Association to
use memorial field. They're going to offer to do some maintenance, help out with maintenance um and then provide some equipment for the ether the city to use. And then hopefully that will kick off a relationship with them where they might
try and utilize the field more in the future but and providing more more to the field. >> Okay. So this is just >> that's the best what they >> establish a relationship. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be it's going
to be allowing them to basically make reservations. Great. Um, I will have one comment. It doesn't make it's not a change of an agenda item, but u we do have calendar that's going to join us at 7:30.
And at that time, um, or approximately about 7:30, I'd like to stop where we're at and go through the motion or go through the close session for recommendations regarding an employment related matter. and council join us for
7:30. We'll stop. We'll take a break over ad on the agenda, take care of the closing session and then come back to that point after that. So that way we can make those arrangements with the attorney to join us the HR attorney
zone. All right. Any other comments? Seeing none, all in favor of that with those additional comments on the parks and trails and also the holding session signify by saying I >> I
>> oppose. It's approved. First is our public forum. City council welcomes. >> Just as a reminder, we have to voice vote tonight on everything because Jim's online. >> Is he on now? >> He is. I did let him in. He just didn't answer before. >> Oh, yeah. >> He is on. >> Who's that? Jim.
>> Jim. We just have to remember to voice vote since Jim's online. >> All right. City Council welcomes encourages participation from community members. Please keep in mind that your comments must be pertinent to city business and must adhere to data privacy rules. No employees names may be used.
Please do not expect action from the council this evening regarding your concerns. to address the city council during public form. Please step up to the podium, state your name, address, and fill out the white form that's provided. Speakers will be recognized once. You will be timed. Begin speaking
when the green card is raised. Yellow card indicates you have 30 seconds left and the red card indicates you have reached your 3minut time limit. And we'll stop. So with that, we'll open public hearing at 6:36. For those that would like to speak
public forum, just please step up podium. >> I have a hand out for you. You don't have enough paper. Thank you. My name is Sharon Parker and I'm here on behalf of the VFW and the VFW auxiliary.
Um for four years now, Pine Island has had a um an operation green light for veterans during the month of November and and of course November is Veterans Day as well. And so we were wondering if you would be okay with having us talk to
the um Jolly Lighting people to see if they would change the colors of the bridge to just green for the month of November in honor of veterans. Um and There's a a nationwide initiative that
calls for communities across America to eliminate bridges, buildings, landmarks, and homes in the color green. It symbolizes support of banks and gratitude for those who have served and are presently serving in the United uh
forces. So, um, I was wondering if I could if you'd give us approval to continue this request that we're on. >> We'll make sure we put that on future agendas or work with city staff.
>> Thank you. >> Second call for public forum. Good evening. Fan Johnson, 25 Minnesota Avenue, commercial property owner. I stand before the council again tonight to bring my issue up again about the wrote the last snowstorm, the heavy snowstorm.
I got a 7 foot wide path plowed down our my road. I contacted the city about it. I contacted the mayor. I contacted one of the council members and I spoke to one of the city employees. Your city manager called Bat said it's a private road.
Nothing I can do about it. I said we're not going to go down this dirt road again, are we? I brought this up in 2017, 2018. All the rest of the city was plowed. They left me. I watched them plow the north side of the VFW and clear out the
whole lot on the north side of the VFW. My road wasn't plowed. I watched the VFW. whoever does the plowing for the DFW. He plowed all the snow up to my roadway where we go in. I asked him, "Don't do that. You're blocking my road." He said, "I'm just a volunteer.
My road stayed unplowed. As a property owner, he pushed me to the last. It is a 20 foot wide. I I see the dirt piled up in the in the ement right away from the VFW when they built the sandbox. I have a hole next to my
property line. I see a tree out in the lot from last fall since last August. Nothing's done about it. I'm the only manhole in the state of Minnesota that has a manhole, a sewer manhole on a gravel road. I beg anyone
else to show me any other state that has that. When I contacted Jaw, city administrator, who's no longer here, he said he put his big boy pants on and he wasn't going to have the road plow because it was private. I had a meeting the next day. I brought my file of all
the documents. The question at that thing was why does he have them? We don't. You do have them. I stood here to do that. I have to be put on the agenda so I could talk about this. I don't get nowhere. Time to talk about it. The city street
sign was removed in 2018. We all know it's a road and now your city manager comes up and says minimum maintenance road. We'll do the minimum amount we have to do that. Five commercial lots on that road. All I can say if the city goes that way
tonight and does that I will be in court. I don't want to do it. I stand with you people. I serve on your committees. I do things for you people. And I've been treated since 2012 up at I
was up till 2017. From 2017 to the day I've been treated like despair. They don't care. And the the message that a member said at the meeting that road only service Mr. Thompson.
I pay my taxes. I pay my taxes on time. It's been well documented. That is a road. So, why is it that I'm not getting the same service and maintenance on that road? First Avenue, First Street is a
platted thing back in the 1800s. That street should be as wide as any other street. Again, I do not want to take the city to court, but I'm done. I am totally done with not >> if there was a fire down that thing or I
was injured in my building. How was the ambulance? I couldn't even when I I'll finish. >> Thank you. When I drove out of the thing, I couldn't even open my truck doors. And the rest of you have that again. That's why, mayor, I wanted to be put on the agenda, but you will never want to put me on the agenda so I have time to
speak and lay it out. >> Anybody on the Zoom that would like to speak at public forum? Third and final call public forum. Seeing none, we'll close public forum at 642. All right. First item on our agenda is a
sheriff's report. Just for your awareness, the wasn't able to be here tonight report. Um he did uh share a quick email with me
regarding u 25 mph speed limit and uh he's offered or he's requested people that are in the area that don't follow the the or local contract but from the area if they have time to stop by on the streets that are
25 miles an hour. Uh we did receive a a comment from a resident on Riverwood Hills Drive and they say they've seen a noticeable change in the speed of people's driving on Zebro Hills Lane and um Riverwood
Hills Drive. So that's good. It's a dangerous spot. I think with that, right, I mean, the speed signs are speed signs, but if we can make sure that we're continuing with enforcement and visibility there, that will help with that behavioral change,
too. Um, so I think if he's willing to make sure that they're spending time in those residential areas and and enforcing speed, I think that would >> go a long way, too. >> Good to see. All right, public works. We have um
is has a memo about seasonal health. Is there anything you'd like to speak to that question? >> Uh received a lot of good applicants. We're going to be moving forward with some recommendations here in hiring. So I'll keep everyone up to date here with
that. So good. Thanks. Bane was requesting a approval to proceed with interviewing and u going through the interview process and he has a budget of uh 15,620 that he
can use up to. So there was a chart that was in our packet for that. So I make a motion that we approve our public works director to proceed to hire a seasonal worker. >> Second.
>> Any other comments? Is it one seasonal worker or two? >> I believe it's one. Just one. Okay. >> Waste votes. Council member uh Riser Riceart. >> I. >> Council member Penderas.
>> Hi. Council uh Mayor Ikor. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> And council member Phillips if you can hear me. >> Jim, are you on the phone line? I'm sleeping. >> Can you hear us, Jim?
>> Yeah, I that's my iPad was there. You hear me now? Yes. I >> was carried. >> All right. That's approved. Next item is our water and sewer. Be a note in our agenda about a public
gift permission meeting at 9 June 9th at 5:30. And that'll be an open house. Uh public can join us. There'll be some information coming out to the Facebook website. It's open to the public. uh come and answer questions.
Um at the same time at 6:30, there will be a presentation to the public in a public hearing following that at a special city council meeting on June the 9th. Do we know what time the public hearing is? >> Right. Don't we have to notify what time
the public hearing is? >> 6:30 to 6:30. >> It's at 6:30 itself and theformational meeting is when? 5:30. So this um within a water and sewer committee that we met last time uh in the packet is a
water comprehensive plan that we did discuss at the budget meeting for 2026. So um this follows along with our phase 1B plan is to look at the water
comprehensive because that's an important aspect that we need to start considering about just in general as well as it falls in line with the 1B project. So it' be funded by the water utility fund. So I make a motion we approve Stantech
to proceed with the water comprehensive plan to be paid by the water utility fund. >> Second that >> voice vote council member Ricewer >> I >> Any other comments should say okay go
ahead. Voice vote. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. >> Mayor I. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. Council member Phillips >> I carried.
>> Okay, it's approved. So the next item is um is identified agenda as a motion to approve, but it's not really a motion. It's just the present presentation to the council at 5:30 and it'll be taken care of and approved when we do our
public hearing on June the 9th. So, next item is our planning and zoning and this is regards to the Linda King property back in September
17th 2025. We had a resolution. We have the ordinance 2025-5 that I see as a uh with our orderly annexation agreement with the property that boards the city limits. We can have
the opportunity to change that zoning and we did that for one half of Linda's property with property ID ending in 442. And so there was a the ordinance asked
for or we approved a six-month period that it would be reszoned to a B2 and at the end of six months had we not received a letter of annexation from the property owner. U we would pass an ordinance and that's what we're doing
tonight. That's a resolution that will take care of it and we will change that back to egg and um on the township zoning. >> Did you make a motion then? >> Um no.
>> I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution uh 2026 10. >> I'll second it. >> Have we heard um anything? >> I have not heard anything. >> Okay. Um I don't think city staff he or
anything >> and the expiration date was April 15th >> really quiet. >> That was a six-month day is April 15th. >> Six month. Yeah. >> Right. So that's what our ordinance gave
us direction to do. So we're doing that. So with that um >> take voice vote. >> Voice vote. Uh council member uh Riceer. Hi, Council Member Pendergrass. >> Hi, >> Mayor Ihst. >> Hi, >> Council Member Phillips.
>> Hi, >> Council Member Springs. >> Hi. >> Vote is carried. >> Okay. Next item is our proposed zoning ordinance, the 151 codes that WSB and
Stantech have been working on. So um we have an ordinance 2026-01 approving the new zoning ordinance. So, I make a motion we approve this
zoning. Second, >> second. >> We need to update the ordinance number on the packet though, >> just for clarification. >> Sorry. in the packet there's no there's no number on the ordinance so we need to
update that >> there's that looking in the packet >> they uh what's what's posted online shows 12,000 foot lots in the agreement and the uh >> yes >> and you click the link here you click
the link it chose 12,000 foot lots and then in what was uh sent to me an email on Friday said 14,000 foot lots Tim, so I think we need to have it on paper to determine what we're actually going to be.
>> That's that Bitcoin Paul and I noticed that as well. They just talked to Evan and it was an error on his part. It should have been updated to the 12,000 that was in our last workshop. >> Well, that wasn't voted on. We can't we
can't vote in the workshop. So, >> no, we had a consensus. This was an event. I'd never agreed to it. So I think 14,000's where where it came to the city into came to the city council at 14,000 ft. I think that's where it
needs to stay. >> Yeah, I would agree. I've had lots of conversations with people um just over the last couple of Oh, good. >> Mike and Evan are both having trouble on the Zoom link, their messaging. Do you want to hold and see if I can get them on? If they if that's helpful for them
to answer a question. >> Let me just see what I can do here real quick. >> I go for the 14,000 square foot as well. There's Jim. one of the earlier I think after our last workshop I remember the exact dates but I think
Evan did send it to us >> excuse me I'll be right back >> with a 12,000 when he went through all the updates he got switched back to the 14,000 but he said it was 12,000 so that's why he
was making the change. >> That was in the discussion again at the workshop. Uh again, I'm back to the 14,000 I think is the right number to have. Where's Jim? >> Yeah, I was just going to say I've had some conversations with residents since
the last workshop and I think there's a lot of concerns about going too small um for some of these lots. I understand that there's uh a need for smaller lots for, you know, aging populations or young families. I do
think though that overall I think people are concerned with going too small, especially when it butts up against even that buffer zone. Um so I'm I'm kind of on the the same kick um with Jim and Paul about 14. I think that still gives
a decent sized lot um to be able to to think about creative solutions there but not too small um in comparison to some of the lots that are an acre or acre and a half that that could potentially have you know a buffer zone next to them. So,
um I do think that there it's a compromise um in my opinion and it would it would make some of those residents that live up against some of those areas probably feel a lot better. Um
so that's kind of where I'm at. buffer zone was put in to accommodate a smaller lot size going below the 14,000 square foot. Um,
so I think that was the that was what was done to accommodate that. Um, we're talking about going from 14,000 square foot, which is about.33 acres, to
12,000 square ft, which is 27 acres. and just using the 42 acre lot that is basically the only lot that we have that's developable right now. We're talking just to make it easy math.
If a 100 homes could go in there with 14,000 square foot, dropping it to 12,000 square foot puts 116 homes in there. 116 homes can equate upwards of
$50,000 a year in revenue to the city in just property taxes alone. Right now, that's a quarter of every road project that we have that's any any future. So,
my concern with staying at 14,000 square feet is that we are going to continue to see tax hikes to pay for the projects that have been kicked down the road that we're now paying for that
and to get the CIP funding that we need. So the buffer zones were put in to accommodate the larger lot sizes to have that step down um so we could actually compromise and get more houses
and then that's not even considering wackenack fees that we would collect for hookups um on those additional homes. So, I think we could be doing a big disservice to ourselves and the taxpayers
by keeping it at 14,000. My second concern is is any developer developer is going to come in and say there's a DF zone. I'm going to apply for a DF zone and if I'm going to go through the process, why wouldn't I drop it down to
9,000 ft lots and try and get that pushed through? So instead of now having 14,000 foot lots, why wouldn't they go through the process and drop it down to 9 square foot or 9,000t lots or 10,000?
By dropping it to 12, it's still you can put a very good home on a just over a quarter acre lot and they might not be we might not be having the city peace meal together with development flex zones in the future. So
those are my two concerns. Mike and Evan have now joined us. >> What's that? >> Mike and Evan are now on. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Just just for uh visual purposes, take off the everything south of my garage.
Lots for just shy of 15,000 ft. Give you a visual. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I have I have >> everything south of my garage is right away. rest of it to north what's fenced is less than 15,000 just shy of 15,000 feet
just a visual >> there can I make a comment this Jim >> um on that if you look at it the DF zone with with the development that's in there that can be adjusted to whatever it is if it's going to be 10,000 or
whatever when you go to DF zone what we're also looking at is all the other vacant lots that there are around the city and you you don't have a chance to have a step up or step down in those lots because they're in they're next to
other housing that that's already there existing. So that's why I think it's good to put that in as a 14,000 and in a development still be able to do the the adjustment on the DF uh on what there is
on the size uh of those lots next to where the step down is. So what's what's being proposed if that came from our last workshop was that and Evan has put that into the to the guide that those step down or the
transition next to the big developments is 20,000 square feet you know so we're I think that's a that was a good discussion that we had I think we did have a a good solution by incorporating the 20,000 foots for every every street
across from any of our subdivisions today, whether it's Riverwood Hills, Cedar Woodlands, um, River Park's not there, but there is a portion of River Park on off of Timberline Drive that that would include, too. So, you know, I think that was a that was a good
accommodation. Um at our last workshop um again I I remember the conversation that we had and uh I it was my understanding that everybody said I could live with 12,000 square feet and
>> if I I'm sorry if I remember right um that was the end of our our workshop. the two hours were already up and and all of a sudden we were in again to an extended part of that when we had agreed to the 14 prior and then all of a sudden
I believe that you brought that up again trying to fight for it to turn around to bring it down to the 10,000 square foot island if I'm not mistaken. I brought it up um at the end of the meeting because we when we initially talked about R1, we
had said we were going to circle back around to the minimum lot size once we figured out what DF and what we what what Evan came to to us with the buffer zone that we needed to circle back around to it. So,
it was an oversight that we circled back around to it at the very end of the last workshop. I guess the one thing >> so go ahead. I'm sorry. >> I was going to say even with the buffer zone, you know, I'm trying to visualize it. It almost seems like right you would
have acre lots almost half acre lots and then.3 like I don't even know how they're going to align. Like is it going to look strange right from a a house perspective when you start to think of those transition zones? And that's where I think people are worried that it's
going to start to feel um not like Oronoko where you have the space and and it's going to start feeling like Rochester. Many people moved out of Rochester or looked in Rochester and didn't like being right on top of their neighbor and that's why
they live here. And so I think there is concern about replicating that too close to some of those bigger houses as well. I mean, I think right, none of us live in Rochester because we didn't want that. >> Um, so I think we we should be mindful
of what that will also look like within our city limits, too. Well, along along with what you're saying, Marie, but also there's a there's an issue of you're not going to have lots and blocks because everybody's putting in culdeacs and and
turning and you know, curved streets and stuff just keeps the traffic slower. But the only way you're going to get away with the the smaller lots is lots and blocks like what's downtown. And if that's what you want next to the bigger developments, that's what you're going to end up with if you let go the smaller
lots because you you try you try to take a 12,000 foot lot that's that is that's piehaped, you might not be able might be kind of challenging to place a home on. Well, uh, you know, just to go back and
because we had with our steering committee as it played out in our steering committee when they met last in July and coming into the the first hearing, it was it was being proposed for 10,000 was the first uh when the first the public hearing that PNZ had,
it came into the first public hearing or that first session has 10,000 square feet and they listened to the people that were speaking And the takeaway from that August meeting was, okay, let's let's consider 12,000, but let's continue with our
public hearing in September. And the public hearing continued in September. And there's very few people that did speak to that at that public hearing. Majority were at the July or the August one
initially. Um, it was made by at least one of the personal like 12,000 was a nice number. uh it's a good size and so but came to the council from planning zone at 14,000. So um in one way the steering committee never had the
opportunity to hear what planning and zoning took away from their participation in the meetings that they met with them for six seven months. So I think that was just service to the p to the standing here the the steering
committee we talk about and you look at Riverbend and there's 17 lots um we did have that public hearing for Riverbend estates we did get a lot of feedback from
other neighbors in Riverwood Hills saying it was going to degrade the property value they're so close together and thing, but he sold 17 lots in a relatively short time. And they were all very nice homes. They're all 600 to
$800,000 homes. They're all on a 100 foot front. I think maybe 120 somewhere only 85. But they there are some really really nice homes up there. And if you look at a half a dozen of them on the north side where the
the land drops off very quickly, you can look at the map and they only go back about 120 ft deep on their property and they still have a nice home on this. So that's like a 12,000 square foot. In fact, three or four of them are in that
12 to 13,000 square foot 11 to 12. So, there is a there is a way to put a very nice home um that people buy and they buy the lot. Um I'm not saying they won't buy a 14,000 square foot, but at the same time,
it does Daniel's point. Um you look at a one mile of streets with a 120 foot lot, but you have 12 or 14,000. There's 20 25% more cost or more homes a deler can be put in that helps the city.
a comprehensive plan from 2006 talks about density numerous times throughout that comprehensive plan. And um I think I sometime the council would prove a new comprehensive plan. But even 20 years ago they were talking about how a a
sewer system would improve our um growth but at the same time help pay for that sewer treatment plant because of the density. Rochester has I think in some of the information that Stantech put together for us has 11,000 square foot in some of the
Rochester lots too. The majority of them are 9,000 8,000. Um and that's that's their density. That's what they like too, but they have allowed 11,000 square foot lots. And so I just feel like it's a the 14 is not
really complementing our comprehensive plan. the city has spent money putting together. Um 12,000 is a nice compromise between 10 and and 14. And I think 12 can still um give us a nice home for
those people that want to do an R1. But talking about the development flex, they have the opportunity to go to smaller lots too. And that's uh that's what developers are looking for because los cost a lot of money to to put infrastructure, utilities and um and
it's getting more and more expensive every day as we go on and on and so on. >> So um I I I I hear what you're saying, Ryland, and it's it's the same thing that you've said all all along. You know, the DF is going to take care of the other density that there is for
developers that are coming in. And so, you know, that's not the point we're looking at that that you're looking at. And and again, it's like I I understand what we have, but you know, Oronokco was a beautiful community. Then we put in a sewer system that that might be slightly
oversized. And then all of a sudden, now we're trying to bring in the houses to make up for the difference of what that might have been. And so looking again, and I'll go back to it. When we had the public hearings, it came out at 14,000. That's why we brought it back to the
council when we brought it was at 14,000. And it's for the other lots on the other parts of town that have the ability to break that up where you can't turn around and have a step down lot next to it. So, whatever they do in
development, that's fine, Ryland. That's why we've got the DF that's there to be able to do that. And and the developers can do what they want. The other people are going to be independ independent people that are just going to be buying one lot and have their own architect
that develops a house to put it in there. And that's the way we want to have the rest of the community looking is is that way around it. >> I mean, would there be appetite to meet in the middle? I know a thousand square feet sounds weird, but again, if you
think about some of those larger larger lot sizes, right? If I'm thinking about, you know, an acre to a acre and a half, right, that buffer zone would be a half a acre, almost a half a acre. I mean, 1300 square feet is a.3, right? And so,
you're still getting that density, you know, you're you're making it, you know, an acre to.5 to.3. I don't I mean, maybe that seems silly, but I don't know if there's appetite to be in the.3 of an acre.
which is 13,000. Is that what you're saying? I >> think so. >> 40 43540 or it's an acre. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So 20,000 just shy of a half acre. >> Yeah. It's a just Google says 13,000
square feet is about roughly about.3 of an acre. >> It is.3 29. >> Yeah. And you know, I mean, you know, if if that's where we're we're we're heading off of whatever else, I mean, I can I
can go for that extra thousand feet. I think that'll make make a difference. I really do. I I think, you know, but um um I wouldn't go any lower than that. >> I mean, 14 is 32, right? So you're you're talking,
you know, 0.02 of an acre added on for that additional thousand square feet. I'd like to have Evan make some comments just from his perspective. you were the kind of the moderator or the taking the notes from our last workshop and um the
one um copy that you sent us was at 12,000 square foot and I've I've shared my comments from what I remember. What was your takeaway from that and from that workshop regarding the square footage?
Yeah, I think you and Council Member Spring summarized it well that we circled back to at the end once we gone through the rest of the code and the my understanding was that everyone was okay and had a consensus of 12,000. So
that's what's in the draft and obviously if you guys want to change it, you certainly have that ability to, but um we had discussed 14 couple workshops ago. We discussed dropping it down and sounds like we might be raising it up
again here. So >> in the one I saw, Evan, in the packet, it has 14 listed in there. >> In the in the email we got on Friday was 14. Yeah. But if you go to the diligent and roll it up, it says 12,000.
>> Yeah. If you go to the D, the link to the document, it's 14 in there again. >> And that was updated today. >> Oh, was it? Oh, okay. When I was looking at it this morning, it still had 14 in that table. >> Yeah, the one I had had 14 in it as
well. But again, um that's what what uh when we had the public hearing, that's where it came back. And uh with the workshop, we didn't make any decisions because nothing could be voted on in a workshop. And again, looking at that and what I've been hearing and people talking as well
and and that that's why I'm I'm back to that that other level that there is. And again, it's the DF is going to be a separate deal for developers, Ryland, completely different question. He's just said the DF is a separate deal for the developers and and
I I can respect that, Jim. I just think that with keeping it as a higher square footage minimum, it's going to push developers into that DF more often than not. I mean, develop >> I think it does. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I
apologize. >> They can sell on the smallest lot they can they can sell, >> but all of those have to come through council anyway. I mean, so >> yeah, but I mean, what's the council in five years? >> Well, yeah.
>> Small lot. So, >> but next year they could change zoning >> very well. So, >> we can change it in a month if we want to, >> but um yeah, so that's my concern is that it's going to push developers. I think with a quarter egg grill at that
27, you can still put a very large house and still maintain a very nice yard with green space. Um, on that I'm not going to argue for 30 minutes about
1,000 square ft. So, if everybody's at 13, I'm fine to move forward with with this at 13. But the I'd rather take the the the eight additional houses
than none. No additional >> doing council. >> I saw your >> eight will be better than nothing. Eight might get your park paved. >> I would support 13. Um,
I just it's we spent a lot of time in workshops and and uh and I thought there was a a consensus coming out of the workshop and it's unfortunate we're still having a workshop. But I would I just feel 14 is
is too big. I think it'd be a determined from developers. Um, at least the developers I've shared 14. they just kind of cringe uh because it's cost a lot of money to build home infrastructure for 14,000.
Yeah, 13's a compromise. I would I would go along with that, but uh >> let's put it up for a vote. >> Is there any other comments? Do we want to? >> So, we should probably >> go through the rest. If there are any more comments on the the rest of this,
>> anybody else had it. >> The only other comment is the actual zoning map. We'll come back later for approval. Right. Correct. >> Okay. >> That will be to match whatever is decided tonight along with some other information. Y >> I think we have some work to do outside
of what Evans done already on it, too. So, >> the reporting zoning map today, too, though. just the codes. >> Well, I I didn't I don't I don't agree with it because the the whole the whole concept of rewriting the code was to get
rid of redundancies and any contradictions of one another and to reduce the lot sizes. I think we just added there's been too many things added into it. So, take take your vote. I'm not going to go along with it anyway. So, Um,
well, we can if if we're going to change the square footage, we should consider a I guess amendment to the motion to and I can do that. I make a motion the square footage to 13,000 square feet.
>> I'll accept that. >> Second. >> Yeah, I'll accept it. I'll accept an amendment >> voice. There >> any other comments about that amendment? >> Comments on the rest of the >> See, >> should we do comments on the rest of it
or is that the only issue we have right now? Is we're going to >> That's all I'mware. >> We're going to we're going to approve the thing as a block. >> We'll vote on the square footage and then we'll vote on the whole address itself. Well, I just
put it up as one vote to make it one. >> I'll accept the friendly amendment with my motion to approve the zoning ordinance with 13,000 square foot for R1. You accept the >> second. >> Yep. >> Okay.
>> I think we were out of order there, but or out of >> I think I made the motion. You made the friendly. I accept the friendly motion. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Just so your paperwork's right. >> I'm gonna watch it all tomorrow.
>> You got it. You got it. >> Council member order. >> I council member Pendergrass. >> Nay. >> Mayor Ist. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi.
>> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. Finally amendment passed. Approved. Yes. All right. Um,
I think that was it for that was a 40 fire department. And um in the back pack backet is a 421 report. Very busy. A lot going on. So it's good.
So I make a motion to approve the Minnesota Gear Washer grant application and a quote. I think it was a 10% match for $1,800.
I'll second that. >> Have one question. What funds are those coming out of? >> You want to speak to that? >> Yep. Yep. Sure. >> Thanks. >> You know, I said get my steps in today. Um so it on my second to last paragraph
it says um it's coming out of the buildings and facilities. It's part of the building um the 4291 There it is. A bill that I haven't submitted yet is the um the $4,300 that
um can K and I talked about last council meeting for the generator uh uh monitor. >> Yep. >> So, this is the to match the purchase. So, have you estimate how much it cost
to install it and where you'd put it? >> Yep. Install is that's that's just on us. So, it's just it'll show up and we'll move it around. >> Mhm. >> Any other comments? Seeing none, we'll vote. >> Council member Vice,
Council Member Glass. Hi, >> Mayor. Hi, >> member Spring. Hi, Council >> Member Phillips. Hi, All right. Next item is emergency operations center
for a name change. Emergency operations center to emergency management department. >> I make a motion that we change that to emergency management department. >> Second.
>> Any other comments? What's the reason? >> What's that? >> What's the reason for the change? >> Um, in the memo he mentioned about being more in line with the Mstead emergency department and just it's more about >> better identity identification with
other agencies too. So, >> okay. Any other comments? Vote, please. Council >> member Rice Derford. Hi. Council >> member Pendergrass. Hi. Mayor Iikor. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Member Phillips.
>> Hi. >> Fire relief is our monthly 10% gambling contribution for March. >> Make a motion that we accept that gambling under resolution 2026-09. All Any
other comments? >> We have um anything in place to work with um we work with them where that money is going to go and we have to distribute it quarterly. >> We do have to distribute it quarterly. That'll be in the May agenda.
>> Okay. We work or do we have something? >> We will be working together. Yep. >> Okay. Thank you. So in the packet was the distribution of the March proceeds and the 10% where that came from. So
there's no other comments. All those in favor signify by saying I >> no voice vote. >> Council member Rice. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. Mayor >> Ist. Council member Spring. Hi. Council >> member Phillips. Hi.
Next item is our um >> we have seven minutes before your break. You want to >> hold this item? >> Yeah, we probably should. Otherwise, we got several streets and roads. So, >> we can we do the parks and trails that
let's go down to parks and trails. We have a relationship that we're parks and trails is do you want to speak to that lane? >> Yeah, we have been working with the Lions Club of Ornoo. Um they approached parks and trails to formally adopt the
Ornoo park. Um and so we've been working with them over the last um 3 to four months to understand what that relationship would look like. Um and so in the packet is a naming right um agreement that we would formally um work to endorse here tonight to change that
to Ornoco Lions Park. And so what that relationship would look like is um the Lions Club would have to every year either contribute $2,000 in park enhancements and or um community hours
to support that park. And so working with them and trying to understand what that perk should look like over the next 1, three, five, 10 years. Um and then allowing them to continue to use that parks for their monthly meetings with no
charge. And so um the parks and trails, like I said, have been talking with them. Or no would still retain that park and ownership of it. We would change the name, but there would also be some financial um incentive for the Lions Club to help support that park. they are really looking to use that park as being
a destination um for people to come and visit and to try to get more people out there which really aligns to what the goals are for parks and trails committee um overall. So with that I would make a motion to formally adopt um that naming right
agreement for Orco Park and change it to Oroco Lions Park with some of those other caveats within that agreement. >> Second Daniel second. Good. Yeah, I have uh an issue with that. Um I
don't mind turning around and and if they want to have a sign that says Lions, that's okay. But I think we're giving up a lot. And and if you look at what we do for the city, $2,000 a year is nothing that there is compared to
what we do for for the maintenance, keeping everything up, especially what we're going to be doing with the paths and everything else that there is behind it. If you wanted to make an amendment to say that that they could use that uh without paying for it for meeting place,
I'm okay with that. But to change the rest of it, no, I think that needs to still remain or no park. >> Yeah, we originally had 5,000 in there every year and they felt that that would be a stretch for the small um club that they have. Um we also talked to Pine
Island. They also um have adopted one of their parks. And if you notice, they have a lion's um pavilion right in Pine Island. Um and they had $2,000 a year and or um hours of service within that park. And so the parks committee really
felt like we should be aligned to what's happening in Pine Island in that community. As you know, Lions Club does a lot of things for Ornoo. And so I think this would be a really great opportunity to think about how do we pay that respect for them. I mean, they're doing fireworks again. They're giving
the fly by the flag. I think that small name change would be a a opportunity to show that we appreciate them. Um, and again, I I don't think they're asking for a lot. Um, that would be my opinion, but we did start at 5,000 a year. Um,
but with some of the the smaller numbers in that club, they didn't know if they could actually do that and and be able to function. And so again, I think there's always opportunity to to continue to think about that agreement as it gets um more embedded and mature.
I don't think they're going to hit the 2000 and stop um depending on what kind of funds they have too. So I think there's an investment that they're willing to make both financial and time commitment which is something that we've been talking about if they can do some
of the work right that frees up Kane and the public works staff that they don't have to do it. So, I think there's opportunities to think outside of just financial contributions, too. >> I I'm I'm not just looking at the financial part of it, which is is lander
and the the Lions Club that there is in in Pine Island is much larger Lions that we have right here. And again, like I said, you can put the name on it. And if you wanted to to turn around and bring a mo motion to to put the pavilion that's over there as a lion's pavilion, you
know, I think that that that could be discussed. But I just don't think giving that park that's Orinoco Park that's always been Orno Park to have it be Lion's Park. I don't think that that's the right thing to do. >> It it would be Orno Lions Park. So we're
not taking the Orno off just for clarification. Well, reading some of that stuff and especially with the address that's in there, you're going to be registering that as as being a property of Lions. The way I I thought I understood the the fin the paperwork.
>> No, it's still the the park itself is still owned by the city. >> They don't have any they don't have any rights to go in there and pull out trees or or tear out the pavilion or the bathroom or any of that. that is still
owned through the city and um any improvements would have to come through parks and trails and then city council >> because you also if somebody gets injured out there who's the first person they're going to go to? Is it the Lions group or is it going to be city Laurenoko?
>> It would still be city property. >> Yeah, I mean I can speak on that a little bit. Um this is Mike. Sorry. So I think that's true. Um liability is certainly an issue in the parks. Um, but I think that's an issue right now in the parks. I don't I don't think the naming
changes the liability issues. I think you're you know you know sometimes when cities rent, for example, when they rent park pavilions, they'll sometimes require uh permit to rent them. And in the permit language, they'll have some
disclaimer language about liability. But most cities, I think, just open the public parks up to public use and just understand that we're always going to have some liability. You know, anytime anybody goes to any park or walks in any sidewalk, we've got liability. So, I
don't really see the liability as the issue. Um, because that it's named Lion's Park. Um, but maybe there is and I'm not seeing that. But the other thing I'd point out is I'm not for or against this. It's not my place to be for or
against it, but um I did when Marie brought this idea, I $2,000 is not a lot. And so my issue with it is the term. And so I think originally we were talking about a longer term.
>> And so what I have in there is a three-year term. And that would be what I would I wouldn't be comfortable any longer than three years. You know, typically when you get these naming rights agreements, we I mean, we've done these for other communities, the you know, you know what, whatever
you give them as a naming right should be paid back in the city depending on the size and the nature of it. So, if it's like a a gigantic public facility like amphitheater facility that costs the city millions of dollars to build and they want to the
naming rights, you should be getting a lot more than 2,000. Um, like Marie said, we originally had 5,000, but um, yeah, you'd want to make the payment commensurate with what you're giving them. And this is just a small park in Orinokco. It's not a gigantic facility.
Um, so yeah, you certainly don't have to do it do this obviously. Um, but I don't think the liability is necessarily Yeah, I don't think the Lions I don't believe the Lions group would present more or less liability either way. I just think anytime anybody uses your park, you
know, to host an event or play in the park or or whatever, the city's going to have liability. Um, yeah. So, that's that's I I can answer any other questions. It's pretty straightforward agreement. Um, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what else to
say about it. Is does that answer your question, Jim? Are you still worried about liability? Oh, >> well the liability was was one thing, you know. I mean, when you look at the orno park, you say it's not a big park. It's a huge park because it goes into the lake bed. I mean, that's that that's
huge. That's one of the biggest parks that there are in the city. It's not just a small park. Okay? I mean, if it was just a small smaller park that there was where over in in River Bend or something else that way, then then then
that's a different story. That's why I'm saying because that's kind of the main part of there's so many things that that that are do and and we rent that out, you know. I mean, that's part of what the city does. So, that's why I'm saying if they want to put a sign there, you
know, or if you wanted to put their pavilion and put, you know, look at the 2000, gives them the the pavilion that's there as a lion's pavilion. Yeah. But I I just the rest of it, no, I'm I'm not in agreement with it. It's too big. much too big to to just, you know, do that as
a whim for $2,000. No. >> Okay. I think we we'll take a break right now. >> Do you do have a motion? >> You do have a motion on this. >> I made a motion to to talk about it. >> Anybody call it? You called the question.
>> She called the motion. >> Motion to approve it. >> Okay. Daniel question >> and I'm fine with it being that they provide more than just the $2,000. They provide the fireworks, they provide um
the ice rink. They they're very visible and very active in the community. So, like just inpointing that $2,000 for the reasoning why it might not seem like enough, but when you put the sum of everything else that they do, um I'm
absolutely okay with that. >> They can flip the ice around down there. >> No. So, >> all right. So, um I call the question for the vote. Take the vote. Uh >> council member Rice. Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. Nay.
Uh uh Mayor Iikhst. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Nay. >> All right. It's approved. At this time, uh we'll take a break and um
>> uh can I ask how we're going to do this one? Anybody come up with ideas for me? >> Uh what? >> I'm not sure. He wanted to know how he's going to do close session. I think we just need to announce that we're doing close session. >> I have a script to both first and we'll
get into it. >> Yeah, but I know how many I don't know who else is is on Zoom. That's why I'm saying that >> off here when you close up. >> Ryland's still got to go through the process Jim. >> No, I know that. I just wanted to make sure that I was a part of that when it
gets close. So, we're going to start the we'll start this uh process. So, I have an opening statement. The agenda item is a preliminary consideration.
A second. I got to this. >> We have to close it. We have to move to close. Agenda is item is a preliminary consideration of charges against a city of or local employee under Minnesota statutes section 13D.05
subdivision 2B. Uh the employee is Quinn Burgon Bone and uh at this time uh this request for open meeting
>> closed meeting. Okay. I will now entertain a motion to close the portion of the meeting. So move >> second. >> Daniel call for the vote, please. >> Council member.
>> Hi. >> Council member Pender. >> Hi. >> Mayor. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. is >> time is off of there. >> So, I think you got to kick everybody
else off there, don't you? >> No, we haven't closed it yet. So, but you can work on it. >> It's um closed at 6 7:36. >> The city war city council will now go
into close session. only authorized city and board local representatives may be present during the closed session except authorized by the city council. So with that um >> if you hover so those three eclipses I
think you can kick >> um remove >> or put in waiting room >> you and you can put me in the waiting room. I don't need to be in the meeting. I don't think you can if it's closed. You can't be in here.
>> She can be in here. >> She can. >> Gwen can't be in here. >> You can ask Mike and Angel. They're online. We'll excuse ourselves. >> Angel, can Gwen stay in here? >> Um, for this portion, have Gwen leave and then if the city council wishes,
they can bring her back in during the later determined time. >> Okay. Okay. You want to stop this recording? >> We need to pause this recording. >> Yes, there should be no back on
>> back on. Do I let everybody back in? Yes. >> Yeah, we are recording. Thank you. >> So, we're back open session. Members motion for her to come back. If she comes back with us, she's outside.
entertain a motion uh for the following that Gwen or be terminated from employment with the city of Oronogo effective April 21st, 2026 for but not limited to the reasons stated in city administrator Chris
Baker's Jason Baker's letter to Gwen Borg on April 16th. 2026 the city administration provide Quinn with any appropriate notices related to this decision. So with that is there a second?
>> I'll second that. >> Second it any other comments? >> Voice vote. Yes, please. >> Council member Rice. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. >> Council Mayor.
>> Hi. >> Council member T Springs. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> I. >> With that, the motion is approved that wind is terminated from employment with the city
of Oronopo effective April 21st, 2026. And we'll go back to our agenda now. >> Bench parks and trails. >> Benchm Parks and Trails and then go to >> Yeah. Would you like our discussion about the naming? That
>> pass that was pass. Okay. the baseball. >> Yeah, baseball. Um, so, um, you want me to talk about it or do you? It feels weird. >> I can I can talk about it. So, Daniel approached Parks and Trails about using
Memorial Field for the Pine Island Baseball Association. Um, and it sounds like it's more as a backup option and some training opportunity. As you guys know, that park and that baseball field doesn't get used very much besides T-ball. I think what we shared with them
is Tuesdays during the summer is off limits because we want to reserve that right for the Oronokco T-ball. Um but what um Pine Island Baseball will do is help um Kane and work on the field maintenance and then they'll also provide a equipment shed that will be
locked that will have some um baseball equipment in there to be used to help with just the maintenance of that field. And so it was approved by Parks and Trails um to to continue this relationship. And like Daniel said when he brought this forward, this could be
something that could be um completed um many years um especially with a lot of the Oronoko residents doing some of the Pine Island. So it could be a really great opportunity for usage of that field um as well. I think the one thing
to note is um Pine Island baseball um would have all of the um insurance on them as long as they have a reservation. So, like the insurance with with that really falls on Pine Island. It wouldn't be our insurance when they're practicing
there. Um, is there anything else? >> Nope. That's the one thing I wrote down that I forgot to add on here is that with the insurance, the insurance policy will be carried by Island Baseball Association for for those practices. Um,
racks, it's rakes. They're going to uh do rakes. Um some walk behind a walk behind drag and they will um secure the shed. Um u that that equipment will be retained
as their property, but they were definitely open to see how this year went and either contributing more equipment next year or making officially donation as we as we as we go along and move forward. So, but yeah, as I've
noted here, um officially roughly 25 um 25 athletes are orno residents between the 9 and 10U programs. Um the field would be set up at the appropriate
distances for 910 and 11U. 11U won't probably ever use that field because the pitching mound won't we don't the the two youngers don't pitch off a mound. the holders need a mound. So, um that's
not not necessarily an appropriate field for them to to be uh using. So, it'll be just the two. And I did find out that it would probably be only one of the three tenu program teams that would be using it. So, um
I have pencileled in six uses uh for the 9u team if if we vote through tonight. Um there'll be six six uses that I've got um conflicts with. >> Time period. Uh so my time period is
going to be like 6:00 to 7:30, but the boys are and oh the date >> um from now until um June is when the the games start and then I don't I don't know what
um we'll only be doing one practice a week from June till the end of July. >> Okay. >> So >> So it's a two-month period. >> It's a two-month period. Yeah. With practices. And again, about six out of 14 I have kind of penciled in for
Oronokco at this point. Um, >> what do you envision envision for the shed? >> Uh, what I'm what I'm >> This isn't public works too, is it? >> We're not building your public works annex. >> It's a uh >> I I have mentioned it's
>> a 50 foot shipping container. Yeah, two of them. >> Two of them. >> Graffiti all over them. >> Double decker. >> I did offer the warming shed that we used for the ice ring. >> I did offer that. We could get some year round use out of it.
>> Put a padlock on the door. There's, >> you know, it's 8 by 10 or so if that's something. >> Yeah. And they'd be open to that. Again, we'd have to probably clear the equipment from the shed before it comes over here. But at the first year or two,
it's not going to be a crazy substantial amount of >> stuff to find a new home for. >> So, I'd be I'd be open for that. And I know they would be totally on board with that as well. So, um they they would like like in the years coming to
potentially be able to schedule games and um um for for those two lower teams there, but there's a lot that has to play out >> the first year. >> Not the first year. There will be no games >> subsequent year. >> Yeah. No games the first year. If there
happens to be the need for something like that, I would bring that back to parks and trails and I would imagine that's going to probably fall into a standard gathering fee for that. But it would be a rain out situation. >> So the warming shed, would you put
something over the the plastic window so it doesn't get broken stolen? Isn't there a window in it, too? >> There's a window. Yeah. >> I don't know. Just a thought. I guess we could. >> It's pretty visible what's in it. >> Yeah, we could play it by ear. We could
put a piece of plywood over it. >> Yeah. I mean, it's not it's not going to be incredibly uh expensive equipment like a few rakes and the >> easily to be walked off, but not worth the effort to get after probably. >> Yeah. Baseball drags. They're neat, but
they don't have a whole outside of that immediate area. >> Um >> and you could probably tell where they're dragging it, too. >> Yeah. And you can probably track him down pretty easily. >> So, >> it's like it's like stealing Christmas tree. >> Did you want to make a motion in Cleveland? >> Do you want me to vote on this?
>> You didn't make a motion already. >> I'll make a motion to approve Pine Island baseball to use Memorial Field. >> I'll second that. >> I got it. >> Okay. Um, great. Uh, I appreciate your
time doing this and I'm sure the kids will enjoy it, too. They're going to love it. Yeah, they're going to love being closer to closer to home. That means they get to play later and longer. >> There's a >> Oh, yeah. >> dancing falling down. Vote.
>> All right. Thank >> vote. Um, council member Riceber. Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. Hi. >> Mayor Iris. Hi. >> Council member Spring. Hi. >> Council member Phillips. Hi.
Thank you. Kids are gonna going to be very nice. That program is growing and we need more and more space. So, >> can I ask that as you practice take pictures so we can because we're trying to do just use of park and get people
excited about it. And I know it's Pine Island baseball, but just people using it. >> Yeah. >> And we can try to publicize it >> after we get our jerseys. I know we want to do a 10U scrimmage practice. right over there. >> I'm all over it. >> Do a 10 year nine verse 9U scrimmage.
>> Okay. Yeah, just pitchers would be I mean it helps get kind of the excitement about parks back. >> Yeah, absolutely. So, let's go back up to our streets and roads is where we were at page 30.
So um Joe and Jason, I believe, put together some information within the kind of >> some of the background with that easement, the 20 foot. Let me just No, I take it back. We're
talking about the U. Yeah, we are. Okay. There's a memo about the maintenance and what the history of it and everything. Um, so right now I believe my computer's not working. Oh, there it is. Um, I think the memo is is indicating just a
continuence of the preventive maintenance approach. >> I did not put the memo >> to the or that was Jason's memo. >> Yeah. Is this the same location >> about the easement back
>> that he was talking about? Okay. >> So, are you looking at uh the option two then for the short-term repair? Is that what what you're looking at that, Joe? Oh, >> I think we're talking about First Avenue and First Street. >> Yeah, we're talking about that ease
easement and the minimal maintenance. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I was >> going on the other one. Okay, I got you. >> Sorry. Yeah, it was Jason that was the current use is is a minimum maintenance and
um you know to his comment about the plowing of the streets. Um and Jane correct me if did you guys do that or does Jason do that? >> Snow plowing. Yeah, we we do at public
works. We take our pickups and skid loader down that path. It's a narrow path. >> So, is there is your equipment good enough to make it wider? I'm not saying 30 feet, but make it you one and a half lanes. >> Yeah, we sure can. You know, that last
snowstorm there was 20 inches. It was a blizzard. We I don't know if we're talking same thing, but but yeah, we sure can. It's just Yes, we can. >> Um, so Joe, would you would you stake
that area back in 2019? I think it was >> 18 maybe. Yeah, it's a while ago. >> Are those stakes still there or >> I doubt it. I don't know. >> That's been quite a while ago. >> Yeah, I know that there's been I know
Jan cut some trees down in that easement. Mr. Crimo, I thought you cut some of the trees down. >> Yeah, I think there's been some trees removed out of the the west uh right of way to the stakes, but >> yeah,
there's definitely room for improvement. Uh so from your perspective of public works and this is a minimum, right? There's a 20 foot easement there that's private but it's public accessible. Um,
not to appease Jen, but the point is that what would happen if you went in there and we restaked it and just took the trees out of that easement. >> Yeah, that's >> if we could do We have a chipper now. >> Yep, that's a possibility.
>> And just just show some support for the 20 foot. We're not going to make a street out of it, >> right? But we're going to we'll provide maintenance for a 20 foot path. >> Yeah, I think that's doable. >> I'm not saying we should add more gravel.
I think there's maybe 10 12 feet of gravel across there. >> I think it's Yeah, probably. >> How did it become a gravel easement? Like why? What's the history with it?
Well, there where where Jan's building is, >> there used to be a house. >> Okay. >> Jan bought the house, tore it down, and put the building up. >> He says it's commercial, but I think if I recall somebody saying it's it's a
considered residential storage, >> it's currently classified with the county as nonresidential storage. Yeah. But I looking at this certificate of survey that Joe sent out.
>> That was in 2001, I think. >> Yeah, I believe it's from 2001. But this this this property line goes right up to the back of these blocks and it does the same thing in the other side. It goes right up to the lots on that side.
>> So there's actually no This isn't a road going back here either. >> It's just all a trail. It's all It's all just graic. >> Private drive. >> Say an alley or private drive. >> Well, before you used to have a sign at the end when you get up there at the top and it goes to T. It used to say private
drive up there, I think. >> I thought it does. Still does. >> Does it still? >> Maybe. I haven't been up there for a while. Rogers. Yeah. But >> so I don't I don't correct me if I'm
wrong, but I don't see there's any council action on this. We just need to continue on what we're doing as a minimum road and maybe help with outside of restaking the the ement. I guess if you look at the property line on the GIS website,
Jan's driveway is about five, six feet into that rideway, too. >> It is. I'm I'm looking at that right now. >> Uh so >> I'm not saying we should ask and remove it, but or does >> because it's too much pro you asking cut
you make you can cut it off just to >> let me know where it really stands. >> But even for the minimum maintenance. So if we have another snowstorm like we did, you guys would plow that, right? >> And and we did. We did. We did plow it.
We we opened it up. We made it passable. >> Sure. It's not going to be super clean. None of the streets were super clean. >> Right. Right. It was a blizzard. I think there's many people in many cities that were >> in the same situation. So, um >> could we have done more passes?
Absolutely. Uh a day later it it warmed up and and half the snow melted too. So, >> well, I think we have a clear understanding council and public works. So just >> 20 foot >> ement. >> Yep.
>> I I know there is ones I have seen a white st I don't remember exactly where it's at. I think it's by the driveway across from the driveway. >> I think it's on Yeah, it's on the corner. >> There was one corner. >> See if you can find them. >> Yeah, we'll do.
>> All right. Um, next item is a um approve authorization to complete $3,000 of shoulder repairs along Sixth Street Southeast. I make a motion we approve that. >> Second.
>> And this is part of the phase one line that went in there. Yeah, there's some warranty work that'll be done there at 1,200 ft of the shouldering and then the additional 500 ft would be covered by the
by your motion to repair all of it. So it would all be up to standard which be good. >> So some of it's warrantied then >> yes 1200 ft of it. No cost to the city. Just the last 500 ft was not touched by the contractor.
Might as well get it all done. That's my thought. >> Yeah. >> There's no other comments. Would you voice? >> Council member Riceer. >> Hi. Council member Pendergra. >> Hi. >> Mayor Horse. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi.
>> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. Next item is our seal 2026 seal code project. So I make a motion we approve the request to go out for quotes from Stant for the seal code project.
>> I'll second that. >> Just to put a fine point on it. Uh the request is to approve the plans and specs and authorize us to go up for bid add for issue and not forbid bid the project. So I did include the project manual. It's kind of just a
Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of paper but it's part of the process. >> It's also nice that it gets in the record for the public too. >> It is. >> So would you repeat that? Sue council approval to or to approve the plans and
specifications for this 2026 seal coat and to authorize um advertisement for bid of the project >> and hopefully it'll be this summer or are we getting >> I will bring you bids next month.
>> Oh, okay. >> Yep. So it it gets bid in three weeks. >> Oh, okay. Excellent. >> Yeah. It's got to be out for public bid for three weeks and I think >> the specs are all done. You just got to >> Yeah. >> wrap it up and let it out. >> Exactly. Good.
>> Any other comments? So, is this the um are we talking about the uh >> that's item B. do this here. >> But where's the street repair C and D? Actually,
>> that get left out of agenda. What? >> No, it's on item B. >> It's under the >> Oh, there it is. >> One. >> Yeah, it's on like page >> we voted on that already. >> No, that was a 3000. Yeah, I don't think there was a memo for the 3000 shoulder
repair, but B has the street repair memo. >> There should be there was should have been a motion here for this 2026 street repair. >> Yep. >> Jumped across that. So the street repair project is this is where a sewer or street roads committee
went out and looked at the different streets and Joe and his memo came back with some options for us on page 32 street repair project. We looked at various areas had chest look at I think the option was
two was the one that was being considered and that was a total of 60,000 >> option two. So is it two for all like option two for all of those different areas >> like you have different areas outlined >> page 36
>> on the last page of the memo there's a table >> okay >> and that table has uh the recommendation option one or two >> I see okay >> it's a combination of two and one yeah >> so in the Riverwood Hills area there's
six Riverwood Hills southwest there's six areas where we're seeing some pavement damination. And the option one is to basically mill and overlay either half the street or the whole street with to correct that. Um
and option two is to do some patching um for 15 to $20,000. That'll get us by for a year or two and then we'll watch or monitor that delamination, see if it continues to deteriorate and then probably plan for a larger mill and
overlay to, you know, be more comprehensive and address that long term. Um, we are seeing that damination in a number of cities of streets of that vintage. And >> well, it's an awful thin layer coming off over there.
>> It's odd. It's like the seal coat plus the top >> threequarters of an inch of the wearing course and it's like the wearing course maybe didn't have enough um oil content and there was something wrong with the asphalt and it it's
>> oxidizing and and delaminating which is unusual and so you know it's not unique to or though I I've seen it in other cities recently. This is a silly question, but do they warranty that work?
>> Not that not that far after. >> Okay. I don't know. >> It's a 2001 project. >> So, for that, Kane and I have been kind of exploring some options. Um, some different products that we might use. You know, we might we might propose
what's in the report is like a two foot wide mill and patch, but there are some other products that Kane and I are interested in using. We've got a contractor coming down to give us a quote. I think my preference and Kane's preference is probably just give us some
guide guidance within, you know, the approximate cost limit that we have in the report to do what we kind of think is best based on the options available to us. >> Okay. Say we put 15 to 20,000 in it. How much time would that deny us before they
actually, you know, before you actually have to do something? Uh a couple I would guess you know 1 to 3 years. >> Couple three years. >> Um yeah 1 to 3 years but there's no saying that you know there's not damination on the other side of the road
next year or or it might be done. We we just don't know. And uh so understanding the extent of the damage or the the dilamination issues kind of make some sense make a
patch a band-aid if you will for the short term and let's see what happens and um gauge the extent of the problem and then do something more comprehensive that's that's going to last longer and look better and ride better in the long
term and you can budget for. Um, so that's that's the option one or that's areas one through six. Opt areas seven and eight are in West Center Street. West Center Street, if you remember, is part of area E that's
proposed for the phase 1B improvements. And so that area will, you know, assuming the council moves forward with what's kind of recommended there, it would get probably ripped up in 29 and 30 and reconstructed fully. So, if that does indeed happen, we would want to
limit the city's short-term investment there. You can spend a lot of money um on these. So um area 7 is just simply um a uh remove the failed buminous
pavement not correct the aggregate or the subgrade just put a new pavement on it at a cost of 19 to $24,000 and get us by till 2030 hopefully. Um and there is
really no option too there. I didn't pencil that out for the bigger cost given the potential utilities. >> It was it all back together. And >> yeah, >> and and if you wanted to do that, you could do it >> number. >> You would literally double the cost
numbers. >> Um and then uh so we're recommending option one there. Area eight uh is right next to area 7. It's a alligator cracking. It's on the on the road to seven, but it's
not there yet, you know. And is it going to be okay for another year or two or three? Oh, I don't know. Um, so, you know, the option is to overlay that, make sure it lasts at a cost of, you know, 9 to 12,000 or let it go. And, you
know, I don't know what's going to happen there. I know that the total is probably over your budget. I'd probably roll the dice on that one and let it go. And then area nine is on uh Third Avenue Southwest by
the data center there. Uh the uh northbound lane is, you know, there's a pretty bad severe pavement blowout. And uh you know there we have the option of again take the pavement off and put new pavement on but there is garbage
underneath that. I mean it's clay, it's wet, um it's moving under traffic. Um >> it was a gravel road across the field to start with. >> It was a gravel road across this field. >> And so you know 19 to $24,000 probably would buy us another five years there,
but it might not. Um, the best way to do it is to spend 40 $45,000 and reconstruct it all. You know, literally double the cost, but you're still only building one lane of road on a road that probably is going to ultimately get torn up, replaced, or
impacted by utilities and and uh needs to be widened and, you know, ultimately something needs to happen there and to spend a lot of money on that road is a little bit hurtful. So, >> well, all of all of the houses built back in Riverwood Hills either come down
Third Avenue to come in there or they came through Woods View. >> Yeah. >> To go back in there and everything went down Riverwood Drive. You know, everything is there now. So you know somehow somehow they need we
need to end up getting a road going out to 100 street but just to relieve the pressure off that those roads >> exactly >> I agree. So your your cost of 60,000 is that your injuring services and contingency
>> uh just construction costs you know and I took the average of you know if I say uh 15 to 20 I took 175 and then added them up and it's 60,500 um that's not a bid it's my guess on what it's going to cost
>> based on my experience. Um, we will put a quote package together to do what you ask of, you know, us and get quotes to do it from, you know, local contractors and we'll know exactly what it costs. Um, you know, within the streets and
roads budget, you had about $50,000 budgeted for street repairs. Obviously, this is over that. The other piece of the puzzle here that I think you should know is, you know, you we talked about the seal coat project. you approved. I don't know that you actually voted to approve the plan in spec. You don't want
to do that yet. Um, but as I put the plan in spec and did the estimate, talked to contractors, I think that's going to come in under. My guess is that's going to come in 20 $25,000 under. So, I think at the end of the day, you're going to be okay here on
budget. You know, you might be right at the limit, but you might probably be okay. And so, I'll bring this. I would get quotes, bring both the seal coat and this back and if we have to make adjustments with one or the other, we can do that at that point. But >> we have 50 in the budget for it already,
don't we? >> But we've already spent almost 11. >> And but we're also getting 2026 small city assistance payment of about $34,000. Um, >> this is state. >> Isn't that already figured out in the
budget? >> What's that? >> Isn't that already figured into the budget? I don't know. I don't think it was. No, >> because we thought it was just a 24 25 program >> and this is a 26. So in 26 we're
forecasted to get um 34,000 and 2027 is 39,000 >> and they split the payments between July 20th and December 26. >> We will to turn these roads back over to the county.
>> They took it away from us. >> Oh yeah. They don't want them in this condition. >> That's usually this. >> Okay. So, what do you need from us? Just uh >> I just want some consensus on what you want me to do. I think this is all
reasonable. >> I think it's what you're proposing with your >> Yeah. summary stuff that needs to be done. >> Has to be for sure. >> Won't take care of a bigger problem tomorrow. >> Just so might. >> Someone lost a tire in the third street.
It's a little oil pan there. >> Even though Ko's operated a few times, >> Riverwood Hills um supervisor thinks it's a good idea to do it, too. So, >> all right. >> Do we have to vote on that or
>> I don't think there's matter. Whatever you guys want to hear. >> Do we need a motion on it or >> There was a motion, I think. So, >> no, we we didn't make one, but >> we had to have a motion to have the discussion. >> Yeah, you're right. I'll make a motion we approve uh
>> Joel coming back with a summary of the pavement options for I'll second it. Any other comments? >> Just a question as we think about maybe paving trails, like can we get a discount for paving trails and fixing
roads if we do go through the same company? Well, we are soliciting all of the work through one quote process. So, we do get a little bit of economy of scale. So, I think there is some of that realized within the process
>> because it will be one quote >> for sure. >> Good. All right. Take the voice vote. >> Council member Rice Clerfort. >> Hi, Council Member Pendergrass. Hi, Mayor. Hi, Council Member Spring. Hi.
Council member Phillips. >> Hi. >> Down to just a couple memos and employee relations committee regarding updates. You
approve the seal code and authorize the bid. I just >> You did. >> I We talked about it. There was never a vote. >> Seal coat was separate. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the seal coat to go out for bids.
>> Second it. Now >> money repairs. Any other comments and then I come back to the bay? >> Yeah, >> for seal coding. >> Yeah, full open V. You guys take the
vote. >> All right. >> Council member Riceford. >> Hi. >> Council member. >> Hi. >> Course. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. relations. Just a couple memos regarding
updates federal standards for travel and meal allowance updating your personal policies. Next item is our legal services. Make a motion we approve the co-pay and deductible about for $15,13164
the Patrick construction versus city of Oreo lawsuit. >> I'll second that >> taken care of. >> Where is it going to come out of the budget? >> You know what line item we're taking
that out of? You got that black hole. >> How else do you get it from? >> It's likely that it won't be coming out of legal services considering the budget.
>> Another source probably should be discussed. >> Please page 235. Yeah, when we uh approve the payment and then find the source. >> I think Ryland was >> We will find
>> Ryland. Was some of this was some of this going to be covered by LMC? >> Yeah, the our deductible is u LMC is picking up like 80. >> Yeah.
>> 7,881. That was our portion is what we're paying for. >> We're responsible for the 15130. >> Got it. Got it. >> We already done that, didn't we? >> Take out streets and roads. >> Voice vote.
I with hesitation because I want to make sure that we're pulling it out of the right funds and we're over the max on legal already. >> There may be a correction coming for that account. I think there might have been something that went through there that should have come from somewhere
else. >> I'm going to change it to a nay. Sorry. Until we have that figured out. >> We write a nay until it's figured out. So we know what funds it's coming out of or where we're going to find 15,000.
>> Council member Vender >> I have to I have decided with Murray there it's coming from Nay Ror. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips.
I'm going to go with nay to find out where it's coming from first before we do that and then we'll approve it because we've already approved it but we got to find out where it's coming from. >> It's not passed. >> Is that something that we can
>> problem we have with this vote? Uh the payments due by May 16, 2026 and uh we have a council meeting on May 19th. >> The payments due to Fitzpatrick No tom
LMC will still want their money when they get it. >> Well, this is what the claim supervisor from LMCIT is requesting from us. This payment by May 16th in the last paragraph. >> Yeah, maybe we could ask to extend it a
couple weeks. I just know if you look at the budget, I mean, we're already, again, if there's corrections, that's great, but it doesn't look good already. >> There there's there's a lot of corrections in the budget. >> Yeah. I just think we need to know where the
money's coming from before we're cashing checks we can't pay. And maybe that's not a fair statement either, but >> yes, >> pay the bill if we don't pay this. We could have I could research the more
reasonable options, the the most applicable options um and then look at the correction that I think needs to be made that would allow for this. We can have that available before um the end of day on Friday. If council wants to consider a special
meeting or something for it, I'm not sure how you want to proceed, but we could get you more detail about this before the end of the week. >> Okay. So, we need to get 3 days notice. It would be sometime next week. >> We should do that.
Um 30 on Tuesday. Ladies and gentlemen, If we post it tomorrow, meeting could be on the 27th, Monday night 28th is we're not >> we're not going to add anything else to
that meeting, are we? >> I don't think so. We're just making sure. Never know since there's a special meeting. I know I was gonna add to the agenda. >> I can do the 28th. >> Yeah. >> In that evening
>> at 5:30. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> It will probably take very long. >> We either have to do it at 5:15 or 5 6:30. The EDA is 5:30 to 6:30. >> No, that's on Tuesday. >> The 28th, right?
>> Yeah. I had EDA's on a Tuesday. It starts at 58. That's right. said the >> he said he said it's 27th. >> He said the earliest we can do it is 27th but just Tuesday is the 28th. Um we could I mean
>> it's 5:15 too early. >> Jim, would that work for you? >> Yeah, that'll work for me. Okay. Which one? The 27th or 28th? >> 5:15. >> On 27th or 28th? >> 28th. So we'll get the notification
posted special needs >> tomorrow post on Thursday at the latest >> and then we should have figures and financials available for you by Friday to review in advance. >> Thank you. >> Yep.
>> That's it. 550 >> 558 on April 28th. Okay. Next, next item is administration. This is a motion we had came back from our March meeting to review this
meeting. So, I make a motion we approve. It does not waver on the 2026 LMC casualty insurance policy renewal. >> Second. >> Any other comments?
Seeing none, do a vote. >> Council member Ricever. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. Hi. >> Mayor IS. Council >> member Spring. Hi. >> Council member Phillips. Hi. Uh, next item is a resolution
2026-11 removing city administrator as primary signatory. >> Make a motion. >> Second. >> Any other comments? >> Just voice. Council member Riceer. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Ist. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. >> Next item is Greener's Pub and Cocktail Lounge, liquor on sale, and Sunday liquor license. >> Make a motion to approve it.
>> Second. Does this complete our >> this redact security number? >> Does this complete our on sale licenses for orogo?
>> Yes, >> we're allowed. Are we allowed on three total? >> We have the four >> four. >> This would be four and then I don't this other one issue got moved to new business. Probably should have been with these other licenses.
temporarily be back to three potentially. >> Well, that's only an off sale. >> I'm I'm sorry. >> Do we have We have sales, correct? >> And we're allowed greeners is the last one. >> Okay. Any other comments?
You have voice. >> Council member Ryford. I council member Pendergrass. Hi, >> Mayor Ryst. Hi, Council >> Member Spring. Hi, Council Member Phillips. Hi. >> Next item is a temporary liquor license for Gold Rush Lions Club.
>> Make a motion to approve that. >> Second. There's a few more left here. So, >> seeing none. Voice vote, please. >> Council member Rice Starker. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. Mayor Iorst. >> Hi, >> Council Member Spring. >> Hi, >> Council Member Phillips.
>> Hi. >> All right. New business. Revocation of Gilman Realy Retail LLC officer Vicker license. I make a motion to approve that. >> I'll second it.
So, do we have any updates from them? Because there's a lot of stuff going on there now. >> There is some stuff going on there which we don't have a whole lot of information about. >> Okay. >> We are working with the county assessor's office to get more information. >> Okay. Ongoing. Ongoing.
>> So, obviously they'll be notified of this. Is there any postings that we can put on their door? Like what? So, we actually still have the license in the office. They never came to pick it up after it was approved in December. So, it physically is still on our property.
So, um we would we don't have to physically revoke anything. They will be notified. Yep. They will be notified via um certified mail. >> Well, they never provided any insurance either, did they? >> They did. They did provide a certificate of insurance. >> Are they selling liquor over there? >> They are not. Okay.
>> The liquor door itself, although the the although the convenience store area has been open sporadically, maybe a 10 to 12 times since December, the liquor door, to my knowledge, has never been unlocked in that time. >> Yeah.
>> What is recourse that they start to sell that without a liquor license? >> That goes to the state. So, the city wouldn't >> the city wouldn't have to have any action other than what they're doing tonight. >> Okay. Okay. Yes, it's it's regulated by the Department of Public Safety as correct. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Any other comments? Voice vote. >> Council member Wford. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. >> Mayor Ist. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi.
>> This time is our financials and license. So I make a motion that we accept the return CH Robinson TIF funds to the 60 fund which is approximately $13,000. >> Second path
is on budget money. >> It it is. So, I was just going to I was just going to make note to council that this is an area this is $13,000 of unappropriated funds that you definitely could use uh to pay the um >> Fitzpatrick >> the Fitzpatrick deductible and co-ay for
sure. >> Smart place to put it >> make a friendly amendment, >> right? You would just have to amend to redirect from 602 to wherever we decide tomorrow and then you have the special meeting about
>> accept the friendly amendment. >> We'll be redirected to the payment >> to direct it to um >> Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick >> Fitzpatrick construction then we only got to come up with
>> two two grand. It's not a big deal and We can cancel that meeting. >> Yeah, >> we can figure out where that two grand come from anywhere. We get that from parks and how we get that from >> get it from pointing.
>> How much is it? Is it two grand? I got >> I got that machine up. >> I take it from financial administration. There's a lot of money there. >> Take it from your salary. >> Take it out. >> So, it's coming from there. Do we need to have the Tuesday meeting then?
>> Probably not. >> Do we So are we cancelling Tuesday's special meeting? >> Yes, >> if we use those funds. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I think we should. Yes. >> Should should what? >> It's the perfect opportunity. I got >> ahead and cancel. Let's do that.
>> Let's cancel it. Paul's going to come to the wheel. >> Jim, are you okay meeting on Tuesday? >> Yeah, I'm okay with that. a motion to yes to pay a >> yes.
>> Yes. >> Vote to pay it. >> We have we still have how we're going to use the fund. So it's just changing from the 602 to the >> the vote the vote to pay it failed. >> Yeah. >> So we need to amend this motion to pay
it using these. back and revote on it, >> right? >> You're just gonna love that butchered up deal. >> Who gets to read who gets to listen to those minutes, >> right? How do you want to do it?
>> I would do a whole new vote for it as if it hasn't been voted before. That can be a redirect to >> Okay. >> to redirect the fun. >> Let's do it that way. >> I would do. Any more comments? >> We still need a voice vote on the
amendment for financials. A >> correct. >> We accepted the friendly amendment. So, >> so we just need a voice vote. >> We're back to the voice vote. Yeah. For the motion. >> Okay. >> Council member Riceerber. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. >> Council Mayor Iikor. Hi.
>> Council member Spring. Hi. >> Council member Phillips. Hi. consent agenda. Make a motion we approve the second. All in favor signify by saying I
voice. >> Council member Wtover. >> Hi. >> Council member Pendergrass. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hypers. >> Hi. Council >> member spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> On the last vote on that.
>> Yes. We vote on B I A. We need to vote on the the Patrick. >> Oh, we're >> the revote. >> A revote. Okay.
>> So, I make a motion that we pay the Fitzpatrick legal fees. Second over. Okay. >> Hi. >> Mayor IR. >> Hi. >> Council member Springs.
>> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> Hi. >> Now you can Now you can motion. Jim. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. actually have a nay in it just for for a
couple of things. So, tomorrow is um professional administration day and so we just wanted to recognize Mel and Rachel for all the work that you >> are doing for us. So, we just wanted to >> super sweet. >> We didn't even know that that was a thing tomorrow.
>> Okay. Well, I'll just say thank you to each other a whole bunch of times tomorrow. >> We just wanted to thank you for all the work that you guys do for the city and and us. Keep us >> on the straight and narrow. >> Now, do we need a vote? >> Yes. Now we can vote.
>> Council member Riceer. >> Hi. >> Council member Venderass. >> Hi. >> Mayor Forest. >> Hi. >> Council member Spring. >> Hi. >> Council member Phillips. >> I 920. >> Who was the second on that? You. >> No, Riley.
>> It was Riley. There's a second. Oh yeah. >> I just missed that one. >> Were you still there? >> Oh, he's history. They had he had a motion