--------- Ryland. >> Hi there. >> How's it going? >> Pretty good. >> Awesome. Oh, >> okay. >> I think so. >> Good for now. >> Anybody else? >> Well, I just I'm so glad I'm up here
next to Mayo Clinic. It just comes in so handy. I like your shirt. >> Thank you. >> That's cute. >> It's not the old not the old one. We're still working on these, but this is a couple weeks ago I had >> cool.
>> Talk about adding a little sun. >> I was going to go find a pet, too. But, you know, I don't think you got to go all the way to your car. Here you go. some of the windows. Did you get your brush away?
>> Uh, all the trees. >> Yeah, the volunteer trees. Yeah, I got I went and cut all those up. All right, we'll start the roll call. >> Ryland >> here. >> Daniel >> here.
>> Kathy, >> yeah, >> here. >> Jan >> here. >> Carl is absent and Jamie is absent. And we don't have an administrator name Jason Baker anymore. Take that off. The next one. >> Was he officially Dawn? Gone. Yeah.
>> April 17th of the ceremony. >> Oh, that's a bummer. >> So, we went to Fairmont. >> Yeah, that's what I've heard. >> So, good to go. >> Make a motion we approve the agenda. >> Second.
>> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. post approved copy of February 24th was that meeting in March I guess that's correct. So I make a motion we approve the
February 24th minutes. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I moving into old project >> old business here. So we had a couple meetings with Whitney West trying to finish up our brand. What we are responsible for is an EDA. I have a list
here of the taglines. Now there's quite a few on here. If you got one, what I need you to do is an EDA and we've agreed to do this with uh Whitney West and I've emailed Carl and Janie. You need to pick your top five,
what you think represent or then I'll tally those up and take them to the next meeting we have with um Whitney because we just kind of need to get this get it down. >> Has that meeting been scheduled yet?
>> I don't think so. I haven't seen anything yet. >> So, any of those, you don't have to vote for five, but if you see five that you like, and then I'll tally them up and I'll send out the
um results to you and Whitney. and you can put your name on it if you want. You don't have to though. You know, you set one out here. I guess I looked at all these. Uh, you put the one out there. I don't see it on here, but
one of them was bridging community and opportunity. Not there. I would bring your little logo over there. I'd say bridging opportunity and community. >> Just just just when I you do that switch
it around. That's when I >> do your be a right in vote. >> What is it, Jan? >> Well, one was where it said uh what I bridging community and opportunity. I just turned it around. It sound better if you say bridging opportunity and community.
I ran these past my neighbors. >> Yeah. >> They all liked the bridging ones. >> Did they? >> Yeah. They said that that was >> Yeah. >> They were kind of afraid of the rush ones. >> Yeah. There's a couple.
>> Chase the rush. >> Yeah. That's that's right. Rush. Yeah. >> Experienced the rush, >> stayed for the community. >> Kind of think of a drug or something, >> right? That was my growing up teen days.
>> Yes. >> Talk like that. But uh >> the gold rush, like they said, it's kind of >> not quite the rush anymore either. little ones was >> our last meeting we were both headlines
were like three. >> Yeah. But from her perspective as an industry um and five to seven words >> oh you crossed it out
>> highlighted highlighted. >> That's right. I have the original so I can correlate it with that. I saw that the ladies gave me these Sharpie highlighters which are scary. >> Oh I see. They're like a ban. Wow.
Do you know of any other cities that are looking at new logos? >> No, doesn't happen very often. >> No, it doesn't. usually kind of most of them have it like Zambroas bridging bridging the past with the future
because the bridge they don't use it very often. >> Yeah, >> I just so happened to see it one time but no I haven't I haven't heard about logo in a community for a while for no go. I uh
had a couple emails with Jason here recently and he in his I don't if I can find it or not his uh signature or his automatic reply it had his Fairmont that was kind of cool.
>> Oh yeah, that's nice. >> Chain of lakes >> that go down through it. Jan, you want to look at that? It's Fairmont's. >> How big is Fairmont? >> It's about 10,000. Is it bringing 10 11,000?
But they've got airport like a almost $60 million employed. >> Oh. over a little water. I get your four enough. Good
being in the class. Maybe >> well, thank you. Get me telling up and let you know what the group said. Probably going to be all ties. >> You know what? um when you talk about the group and stuff. It would been nice for the group for the final thing to
show up here instead of the instead of doing Zoom, you know, she's been doing everything Zoom when she first come, she was here and talked with us >> and ever since then everything's been Zoom. But part of the committee again, I
I I didn't get in the last Zoom, whatever. But >> yeah, last couple >> Yeah. for the for the last thing is is that um it would be nice to have them at a meeting here >> versus doing a Zoom. >> Yeah, >> there's probably a good chance >> and and vote and say this is what we want. I mean
>> now I haven't been in on those meetings because I think you're on a subcommittee, right? >> Yeah, but I'm just saying is this with the comm uh this part of EDA subcommittee whatever for the final thing. I would just like to see it done here at a meeting
and uh versus Zoom. It gives us thought something on our agenda and something we do so that we can you can discuss it here in person with everybody here. And uh just my thought I just >> I guess you know we the last thing
the tagline and she's working on the colors and that hasn't been finalized but she was going to come back with some proposals for the colors. So I guess it's kind of Whitney's schedule too that she can >> get together too. So
>> just getting people and the last zoom meeting had five people in it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was in Texas, so I couldn't I was out out of state, so I couldn't do anything with about it. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. No internet in Texas, >> huh?
>> They don't have internet in Texas. >> Everything's big. >> Uh, where I was, I guess I was taking some time off to do some things. >> Yeah, a way to do it. >> I got they have if he called the meeting in the morning, I would have been there. But, you know, when I'm out in on the ocean fishing, it's a little tough to do that.
>> That's what's hard. It's a little tough when you're catching red snap around the ocean to do internet. >> Sure. >> That's what's tough about having meetings in person is getting people to show up, >> right? >> Anyone else online. So, >> all right, moving on. Beauty
development. Um, so Ryland and I and Jason, and obviously Jason won't be a part of him anymore, have been in contact with Mike Flity, who's our city lawyer because we're trying to figure out what can be done with this outlot
here of what is it called? River, what we call again? River Park drainage. >> There you go. >> All right. All right. Now, the city has a pretty exciting possibility here because they own this land and it's surrounded by houses and we've
spoken already about if we can make this into a residential area. It has come into a legal issue because it's officially known as what we know as what's called parkland, but there's no park on it. Um, so when this was developed around, this was
dedicated as parkland. So is outlot B, which is just to the south. Correct. >> Right. That's where the park is at. >> Yeah. So when you go there, you won't see a park. It's just open green space. >> Now, if the city, and Mike has been working on this and has not gotten back to us, and I've given you a bunch of
legal language here that you're free to read if you'd like, but it comes down to the point is we need to figure out what we can do to take it from Parkland back into residential to make it into homes. Now, what I mean about an exciting thing
for the city is if this turns out to be land that the city can develop, we as an EDA could have this developed and kind of the way we did it in Canon Falls was um the city. Now, this is
Canon Falls for example, they had lots like this, but they weren't owned by the city. So, they had to buy the lots. So, they had to take out like a million dollar loan. What we would have to do as a city is just pay to have it say platted to have homes, you know, have the lines basically drawn on here to
have the homes and we could take a loan from maybe this is hypo hypothetical some aspect of the city just for temporarily because when we sell that first lot, we could pay that loan back that we would use to >> borrow from ourselves.
>> Yeah. To plat that land. So like, you know, I don't know what it cost to get a plat done. I'm hypothetically say $500. Let's say so that cost $500. We take a loan from the city from ourselves for $500. But when we sell that first lot, we can easily pay that $500 back and be
done with that. So that's if the legal mumbo jumbo comes back saying that we can make that into residential. And I contacted Mike today. Ryland contacted Mike today and he's still working on that. >> Yeah. So I have um the biggest issue
that I have is that this was dedicated as green space or parkland >> to fulfill Jack's requirement. Correct. >> Both of them were >> both of them. They're identified as outlaw A and Outlaw B.
>> Together they fulfilled his like one didn't fulfill it and he out of the goodness of his heart decided to give the other one. >> Right. The other B had always been a park. >> The two the two lots were what fulfilled his requirement for the parkland
dedication. >> Is that >> two lots? You mean two outlets? >> Yeah. Maybe. >> Yeah. >> I say maybe because it's really there's a lot of a lot of legal jargon in there. That's why Mike's
looking. So, but the the issue that I have is that how many years did the city then turn around and let Jack profit off of this lot that he dedicated for parkland, >> right?
>> Because he ran that septic for >> 14 years, something like that. Um >> um and so if he if that's double that's double dipping in my opinion and that so either that I don't know if there's
anything we can do about it now but >> what do you mean can you explain double dipping >> well he your perspective >> from my perspective if if he was required to donate this land or equivalent of this land to fulfill his parkland dedication to the city and then
he turned around and profited off of it for 14 years. That's >> because of the community drain field. He had the permit. >> Yeah. Because the city gave him the permit to >> it wasn't a park then >> because it wasn't a park.
>> So, >> no, >> I wouldn't have an issue going, hey, you you you profited off of this for x number of years. You're going to sign this waiver saying we can develop it. >> Yeah. Okay. That's where I'm going with
this that he shouldn't have an issue with that because if if that was required of him and that's the l the language of the of the u the covenant but also there was
some implication from the DNR because of the shoreland ordinance that's there a lot of that language is intertwined with that whole thing so >> and this shouldn't be any kind of shoreland issue but the park was the River Park. That's right.
>> He had to make the lots to appease the DNR and the shoreline. He had to make those lots, as it turns out, 20,000 square minimum 20,000. >> Okay. And so that was all part of the negotiating back and forth between him and the DNR about basically what you
know we had a city 20,000 foot but he had to make at least that much or more to appease uh the DNR but just for the lots along the river. Um, yes. Yes. Yeah.
>> So, I guess that that's where I mean, like I said, if if this lot was part of his donation to the city to appease the parkland dedication, the 10%
and then he profited off the city allowed it. I mean, it's not nothing to his fault. It's called smart business. But then he profited off of it for >> many many years and
I think that it's it would be reasonable because he would be the hangup then to because since he was the one that donated it. >> Is he the developer? Is that who you're talking about? >> Yeah. So, so I would imagine that if we could get him to sign off on saying yes,
you can develop this. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Kind of deal. I think that that that needs to be something that we keep in our pocket. >> Okay. >> So, he developed a lot, but he needed a drain field. Well, he donated a lot to the city as a
park or parkland dedication and then he did a drain field and then you operated it and collected. >> So, so that's my question is I've never seen when you talk about parks. I've never heard of a park being a drain
field within a park. That's number one. >> How many people played on the drain field? >> Nobody. because it's posted that >> they posted not to not to do that. So you can say it's a park, but it's not a park. It's a drain field. >> Right. >> And so to to your point of it is is that
it was never a park. So someone to come up and say no, it's a park. It never it never was. >> Uh now the question is who mowed it? >> The city mowed it. >> So the city took responsibility to mow the drain field that he was profiting on.
>> And part of that deal, so we had an arrangement with with Steve Jack where we would I think there was some trading in with us taking over the outlaw a um because we took over the city took
over the land itself but he maintained the health permit then DCA until we connected to his drain field and he left his permit zero because we were part of that now >> but uh
>> and did we take those part of that is Did we take that well as part of that as well? >> Well, that was we well >> and he put in the second layer >> lift >> all of our streets. >> That was my >> So that was like $260,000
that the city bought his well and he paved River Park streets. >> But so okay, so that's his whole second separate situation. >> Okay. >> But your questions are all very good questions and that's what the lawyer is dealing with. >> Yeah. of what we can do and can't do and
it's so >> I would hope when we have that meeting the council or EDA or joint we get a clear understanding of what we what led to his decision or recommendation to council. >> Yeah. And I'm not saying that we go after him like check in any kind of
aggressive manner. I think that it's just very feasible for us to approach him and say, "Hey, >> we just need you to sign off on that. this this is not this was not intended to be a park and we and the city can develop. >> That's never been discussed. I've never
heard anybody make any comments about that. But that's >> but I think that's reasonable because I think he would be the one who could come back and sue the city if we just went and developed it. >> Yeah. >> And he could come back and say, "Hey, I donated that for parkland." >> Yeah. That's why that what it came down
to was like if somebody as of right now it's it's good to make it residential, but if somebody were to question that parkland and go to legal counsel. >> Yeah, >> that's why Mike Flity is looking at this right now. >> No, I think that's smart, but I also think that we could we could approach
Jack about it as well. I think that that would be I don't know. >> Yeah. company if you use it for 15 years as a drain field and it was never a park. So to put it on a piece of paper say it's a park when it's not a park for the many
years for the drain field. That's not good intent in a court of law they'd say wait a minute here what's going on here a park is a park and they say we're all still paying money on our water bill because of the well and the lots uh that he wasn't going to black top the lot his
road >> held everybody hostage. So that's all on our water bill for the next x amount of years to cover him up again. >> I mean, the city got a threequarters of a million dollar well for $260,000. >> Yeah. No, I'm not saying and I think
that's a whole separate I think that's a whole separate whole separate issue though when it comes to the drain field to call it a park when there's a fence around it saying >> don't go on. >> Don't go on this. private property for the last I mean it's that's the way
it's been since I lived there and I would imagine you too Ryland like >> like it's always been a drain field like it's and was never intended to be anything but a drain field. So >> never came to light until the sewer
project. >> Yeah. >> What are you going to do with that drain field? Make a park out. That's one idea. Put a lot of lights up. I don't necessarily think that a park would be a necessarily a bad idea if we can't do anything with
it. I think we abandon River Park, turn it into trails and butterfly gardens, move the equipment up, get some good shading up there, and turn it into an actual park that doesn't flood every other year, you know? I mean,
>> that cleans everything up, though. >> Yeah. With tires and oil spill. So, I mean, that's just where I stand with that. I think that it's it's a it's touchy to say that's a pepper was a
park. >> Agreed. Like I said, we'll have to wait and see what what Flarity says about it. >> If we and if he if we can ask him that as well as to say if we can get Jack to sign off on it.
then as I think he would be the only person that could truly come after the city for it because the city owns it now. Jack may see it's you own the park, you
own the land, I don't. >> Right. >> So then it's a Yeah. >> You don't know what we don't know. >> Right. That's what I'm >> So he is he asked about the next date is I respond back our next date is May 26
but then they see on our agenda we're going to have a different date. >> Yeah. Maybe >> it's not Memorial Day but it's a Tuesday afternoon. >> Yeah. Whatever the date is whatever that date is we'll let him know and hope to have
something that even worse. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be good. All right, moving on to uh 5C. So, the walking. So, one of the work plan goals we had as an EDA was to connect Ornoo to the Douglas
Trail that we could and to run an actual bike trail from Oronokco to the Douglas Trail and take an astronomical amount of money, but we already have paved routes to the trail. And so what we're going to kind of look
at, what I've been working with Kane on is the thought of putting a couple of signs within city limits saying that, you know, Douglas Trail had 2.5 miles or whatever it is to get there. I get put an example there from kind of like the signs that you see in Rochester.
Uh, walk on the trail in Rochester. They're small. They're not made for cars. They're made for people who are riding bikes or walking on the street. And what we'd have to find out is what's allowed. Um and so Kane has an idea of that for sure. But just, you know,
basically a marker saying within the city limits of Orco saying that, you know, straight ahead. Um because once you get up to what is it? The intersection there. What road is it? Wita runs up to that road. Then it's
paved. It's p it's a big paved sidewalk. Well, it's almost like you would put a sign there saying, "Hey, if you keep going, there's going to be a nice sidewalk." And it goes by the Pine Island Elementary School. Uh, so I put an email in for safe routes to school uh
as a possibility. You know that, Ryland? >> Yeah. And we um and both sides of the road on >> So it's general 31 >> the road that we're talking about it's got like a six foot paved on either
side. So there's there's width there for a bike trail. >> Yeah. >> Goes across the bridge where >> is it high? >> It's the first bridge by the orno.
>> Yeah overpass. Yeah, >> you can access it off of that version of nowhere, but you're a long one way out of your way. >> Because I got pass all the way down. >> Speed limits, not high, >> right? >> So is high. It's long and straight.
Traffic is very quick on that road. >> The safe routes require some type of signage on the road itself. >> Yeah. And I'm not sureing I mean, sorry. >> Yeah. I'm not sure sure what what is allowed on that road because when you
were driving on that road now, there are no signs at all. >> No, no, it doesn't. >> U so it would be a small one on the side. And the reason why we talked to Kane about it is cuz the city mows along that road. The guy who mows it' be a it gets ticked
when you see that post there. You got to go around. But he was he was up for it. So we're this is kind of a process. So that's kind of a >> you were going to talk to the school or to the city about if there is some cost in painting.
>> Yeah. >> Is there enough signs there that you could ask the state or the county that you could just put a sign right on their sign? A little tag sign underneath it. >> Yeah. We thought they already got they already got their polls out there. So, but there aren't any signs out there at all. >> Okay. >> Well, I just I just wonder sometimes
that you could >> Is there a map on the front side of that post? It looks like there's a couple plaques there. >> Oh, that Well, yeah, that's So, if you continue walking the direction that this is going, you're going to Cascade Creek.
Uh, and then there will be some information. Where is C? I pulled this off the internet. >> It's on the south. It's on the back. Yeah, we don't have everything. >> So, it's on the back. You should have it.
>> I got Yeah, I got this right here. Yeah, I got that part. >> Oh, okay. >> But I just saw you looking I thought you were looking at a different roadway. >> No, it looks like there's a plaque on that front surface. >> Yeah. So, those are like just some information. Um, if you were to go if it's an
intersection, you would go the other way. So if we did this or no, all we need was, you know, this trail 2.5 miles ahead or whatever. >> But now you're talking here on a bike. This is a sign on a bike trail, >> correct? >> But you can't put one up on Are you
talking about assuming that the highway now is the bike trail to the bike trail? And by putting a a this is the sign size you're looking at to tell people that you're going to go to the bike trail in three and a half miles. Is there a way that they know to get on the Oronokco
route to >> No, you know, it's just if you're native or been around, it's make a good point. We would put some other Yeah, we would put some other signs >> from from Douglas or from Pine Island telling them to come to Oronokco or But
I I can't imagine that we shouldn't have at least I guess what's the in intended route for the biker to take. Is it down our main street and then over on the the curb and then across the bridge? There's
really no bike lane there. It's kind of every man for themselves on that road. >> Yeah, there's a shoulder on each side. >> There is. >> Oh, awesome. >> So, that's what we're going to >> put the signs. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But the problem we have is that putting something like this requires MDOT's
approval. >> They don't want obstructions. You know, >> I'm guessing they would like to see because this is on a bike trail, but on a city street, >> you may not. But a rigid post, different road. Yeah. Oh,
>> we were even saying uh >> now you could put a sign on the fence. >> Fence is just >> that bridge. >> Yeah. And that could be possibly and that's what u Kane was talking about. >> Okay. >> Throwing a a brown sign with an arrow
on the fence. People would know. Well, if you were in the city of Orcleo and you put a sign with a picture showing the trail, actually showing an outline of the trail,
>> a picture of that and you put it there, the people would have the idea >> of the road to take or how to get there. So, you don't need more signage down the way until you can put something. But, if you had kind of a map, you're assigned with a map that shows you
a way there people can look at and say, "No, I understand how to get there." >> I mean, that's a thought. I just >> That'd be a map. It could be on the website, too. >> And it could be when you come over the highway off of Fifth Street.
>> That's kind of a junction there. And and let's be honest, a majority of people won't use a map anyway. They'll look at their phone. >> A shoulder across the bridge, too. weekend, but I was just >> it's wider than the >> if you don't place signs, you put a map and then they can kind of get an idea
what it is >> or just the if everybody's going to technology just a barcode. >> Yeah, >> problem with riding a bike is you don't always have your >> phone always charged and that's >> true. There's a lot of
>> I keep working with Kane on what we can do because he's really receptive to it. Figuring out what we can do and if we can throw just maybe a couple signs aren't expensive on the bed. That would be >> whatever we
want to approach men with our light have a contact at >> I do like those directional signs but I do see the problem of putting them on the road. >> Yeah. because I >> want a spring pump. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
the uh the bike path that I was on in Chicago land, they would have that from one city to the next. And it was an old decommissioned railroad, but they would have restaurants to a restaurant from that post saying
they go to Orno. You know, Tilly's is >> Tilly's is >> two miles that way. two sisters is two and a half miles >> techn and you can >> and you can sell
>> AC to you know bike >> greens pub two sisters >> yep all that >> I don't know how you do that on a fence sign but it would be you know showcasing what why somebody
coming from Douglas Trail would want to come into Oronoko because it wouldn't necessarily be just one one direction, right? >> It's a hoof to get from the elementary school to Oro. >> Yeah.
>> That's why it's tough to get >> full fat ice cream 10 miles ahead. You earned it. Good ideas. Yeah. So, we'll keep working with see what we can do together. Done. Uh 5D. So, May I will be gone.
I'll be on vacation to the great country of Spain. Oh, >> which I go to all the time. And that's sarcasm. Uh my sister-in-law lives over there. So, I will not be here the week of that Tuesday 26th. I leave on the 20th.
When we discussed this in February, there weren't any days that really worked at that time. I do have the ability to have like a a sub come and run the meeting. So, that that's a possibility as well. So, >> I think that's
>> I could have everything ready to go and then the seat up. >> I think the agenda is I don't see any reason why the sub could help us out or >> Yeah. And if it's Laura >> and you'll have everything prepared for
that person before you leave. So >> So I I think it it's okay if I just plan on having a sub if that's all right. >> Okay. >> All right. We'll get that in. >> Even if it's not a complicated agenda, we can probably run it ourselves, too.
>> Tell the sub we have cookies every day. >> So >> where are they? >> They're for the sub. >> They're only for the sub. I told you all sub cookies. Just kidding. >> Yeah, that'll be great.
>> Brownies. >> All right. >> Yeah, that keeps us on track. And >> yeah, >> he has a meeting before we can bring >> Yeah. updates >> and I'll have the updates uh for the
tagline, everything. And so yeah, that'll be good. All right, moving on to new business. Um Ryland's contacted me because he's been in contact with many citizens of Orno because we're getting to be of the age where they don't want to live in a house anymore.
>> Uh and they'd like to live in a you know not necessarily assisted living but an apartment downsize. And in Oronokco there's not really a place for that. Now some of this may change in the near future because the city council passed a majority of the ordinances. Correct.
>> So I know a couple developers were waiting for those ordinances. uh like Marty came and um presented to us, he's got that possible development going on over People's Co-op and then there's the Dragon development as a possibility. So, you may be seeing some buildings
coming up that are such things as um apartments or um condos. >> Yeah. Duplexes, town houses. >> Yeah. Kind of like that. So with the changing population of Ornoo, like any community is is aging,
um there are a couple of things that we can do as an EDA. One of a housing study and the second one is something I think the we we talked about this in gez November of last year was possible of a comp plan.
Uh both of them do cost a significant amount of money, but they are very very beneficial for your community. So, housing study, CEDA does housing studies. CEDA also does comp plans. That doesn't mean it's the only company that does that stuff, but they're there for you. And I put the prices in there that
they and what a housing study would do. For example, the compreh comprehensive housing needs assessment centered around a community engagement. Uh they would meet with a steering committee to kick off a meeting and a strategy session. Uh they would host a community survey, a
focus group, and interview stakeholders. We'd also prepare a final report for the final presentation. A housing study could start at any time and that would tell you what the city of Orno would need. Now,
uh, Olmstead County along with Good Hugh County, pretty much all of southeastern Minnesota had a housing study done. Only problem is it doesn't really pinpoint or go's needs. This is the only time in the study that I saw from
November of 2025. I put it in here of Oronogo itself. You can see that's the only time in the study it mentioned or so. So Orooco is going to have a lot different housing situation than Rochester or Pine Island at this point.
So for something unique to Ornoco' be very beneficial for the community. Um, so yeah, this is information to see, you know, stay on top of it. Um, a housing plan, what a comprehensive plan. I think the last comprehensive
plan for the city was 2006. Um, just to kind of get an idea of where the city should, you know, what they should look at doing next. And it kind of gives you a guide in that way. So this is kind of information for you
to see as an EDA. If this is information that you want to proceed with in the future, we can look at different options available. Um, yeah, I just got this information for for you. A comprehensive wouldn't be
able to start until 2027 because it's uh, you know, I think I gave you the example that Pine Island did last year and it's it's it's pretty comprehensive. I mean, amount of information they get in there. you just get a copy of theirs and change the name.
>> Yeah, that would be that save you some money. >> So, in our >> I'd be in our 2026 budget, I thought we had we had $50,000 and that covered our contract
and I thought we had 9 to 12,000 for a housing study >> in the budget. >> In our budget. >> Oh, really? feel like that's >> made out $50,000 request. Uh I don't think I brought it with me. >> Was that for 2026?
>> 26 budget, right? >> I don't remember if it got cut, but I know it was there. I don't remember if it got cut. I do know. >> I thought we had 50,000. That's what I didn't bring it with me, but I double check on that and send a note out to everybody. I thought we had funding to
do that. >> Thought we had close to 15, but you could be right with 10 or 12. >> Um, gez, if you have 50,000 for you made the comprehensive plan, it would probably be so Yeah. So, do we
>> Well, we had 50, but 36 was for the seed of contract. >> Yeah. So, whatever the remaining is or 38 or whatever it was 14. Okay. Hey, so whatever the remaining is, I believe, is what that makes more sense.
>> It was Yeah, it shouldn't cost 14,000 to change finance until >> I'll do it. >> You're right. >> I mean, yeah, EDA doesn't have it. That's why it's it's the 2027 budget.
The other thing would be is that do we do um an RFP for a comprehensive plan? >> That'd be the other option. >> Yeah, we can definitely some >> I know Stantech does comprehensive plans
too and there may be others too. >> Yeah. See what they cost a different price. >> I would like to see Pine Island though >> on the website. >> Okay. Yeah, there's a link there when you go to their website. And that, like
I said, that one was done by Sar. Here's just a few pages from it. on the website. It is full of information, >> but you know from this list has really been >> Yeah, they're putting in some buildings.
>> Have you noticed that Rochester J all the uh apartments on the north side of Rochester, including one by one by Quick Trip that DBS is doing. I mean, there's apartments going up all over the place. >> Oh, man. >> It's incredible.
>> 304. >> And the somebody was talking about the rent in the apartments is not cheap either. >> No, >> it's not low rent. >> The last one they just put up on East Circle Drive by the Quick Trip
>> down the hill there. You got to like stairs. and the spheres are it's it's a very narrow I mean they put all the apartments those places on that little chunk of property
>> onec car garage and >> I mean to go up the stair whatever I I just it's almost like living on a trailer I mean they're they're very small they're just >> and but they're not cheap >> the rent isn't cheap I mean they're
there's not much square footage but yet the rent is still stays right up there. >> Yeah, >> there's no such thing as cheap housing anymore. >> No, >> we just broke ground. >> No such thing as >> broke ground in some broa for a 38 unit apartment.
It's It's considered work housing, >> but it's Yeah, it's probably be around 1,600 a month. >> Easy for a two-bedroom. >> 1,500 >> easy. That would actually be considered cheap.
>> Where's that at? >> I'm just I'm just I'm just guessing that two bedroom. >> It's uh I think it's >> they just they just did a study that um
Mayo did a study that Rod cost of living in Rochester is higher than anywhere else in the country. like our actual cost of living is higher >> in Rochester than it is in the Twin
Cities and it's actually more expensive than in New York City. Oh, >> so housing is the one caveat to that because obviously housing in New York City is more expensive than here for per
square footage, but for daycare, for all the other amenities, groceries, >> we are either on par or higher than major metropolitan areas.
>> Yes. all going up. So, should I put together RFP request for proposal for or look up some company? >> Does that go to council for approval or No, >> I was just asking for I could I think we need to have somewhat of a dollar
amount. I mean, I just glanced through this. I didn't read like line for line, but I'm not like what does this give get give us? Like what information does this give us? >> Baseline for your growth. They said
where should you go next? I assume >> if you look at our 2006 and read through it, it's all predicated eating sewer density, that type of thing. >> Yeah. I mean, I see where this has like statistics of like
>> Google >> and this website is estimating our oracle population at 20 2153 for 2026. >> What is it right now?
>> 2020 was 1,800. 2024 was 2,200. like maybe it's like 2350 is an estimate, you know, >> based on annual growth, but the craft just kind of goes like this. >> 500 people this year going up 500 people
this year. >> I don't think it's that big. >> Where do they where do they is there no homes going on recently? >> Minnesota winters population blows up right around hunting
season. Oh. the uh I mean if if you take the 40 acres and you put 100 houses on there, that's pretty easily. >> Yeah, >> that's pretty easily 300 people on
average. >> Yeah, that's for sure. >> And another 50 in the dragon complex. That's another >> Yeah. So >> then how many people would live in a people's co-op whenever they if they do that? >> Yeah,
>> I can't remember how many units. >> So the question you asked to get money to put do the study, but if a couple of these developments take off, do not the developers come in and look at some of the land and pretty much put up and do things. And so you spend
say, "Well, this is what we could do, but yet a developer comes in >> and builds it and and puts it up there." So you put money >> into something and saying, "Well, yeah, I can do this." I I I don't know. I just It's just >> when we when we only have right now 40
or 55 acres or whatever it is total 42 on one side and whatever the 10 is >> 43 and 11, >> we have 55 acres of developable land right now that's actually in the city. Outside of
that, we don't have anything. >> Right. >> But you're you're going to annex land >> now that the code is completed. There's I know there's developers waiting for that. >> Yeah. >> They're waiting to see it get published. Right now it's in the process of um Evan
is our planning person on Stantech in the season. So they're pulling together all the supporting resolutions leading up to the change to actually do the codes and once that gets recorded then we'll publishing this code on their website. So,
>> they can call in now, right? And they can call in now and ask. >> Yeah, there's the draft we have that we approved. The only thing that changed on it was the 14,000 for R1 to 13,000.
So, but it's this recording and I'm not sure how long it takes to get it recorded, but I know they're working on because it needs to be published, but yeah, it'll be pretty big, you know, city council's passed that I know that well people have been waiting on that,
so they're going to be good. >> Four months short of three years. >> Yeah, I could imagine. >> The RFP was written in August of 2023. We awarded it in December of 2023 to be completed by December. No, January 2023
is when we approved it for a 12-month contract and it last another year and five months. So, yeah, I'm preaching to the choir. >> Okay. Lots of hours in on them.
>> You got some whiskers on now. I think they're greer now. They were two years ago. you know, I don't know if it's counsel or my more my kids, you know, >> how about this? I'll prepare uh an RFP just to have >> Yeah, that's Sorry.
>> I'll prepare an RFP just to have >> I think it's >> And we don't have to >> I'm sure that would be a response from council. You have an RFP. >> Yeah. >> And we can we'll have that and we'll be able to use it if we need. >> Okay. So are we saying that we would
we should hold off from doing the housing study or is the housing study more detailed than a comprehensive plan would be? Well, housing stud is going to be very detailed in the housing. Yeah. So and the price is going to be a lot different. I got to ask it's all based on what the
community wants. You know, I don't have the knowledge to tell you that a comprehensive study is going to be the most important thing ever. I just know that it's been a long time since had one, the benefit of having one.
>> So, could we just in the RFP for a comprehensive plan just ask for an emphasis on housing? >> Yeah. Okay. >> And just go into more detail regarding the housing aspect. >> Okay. H friendly is also interested in it as well. That's what kind of prompted them.
>> Oh yeah, >> they came up in our last meeting earlier this month and I mentioned that we we had money in a budget for housing study but I did not mention the comprehensive plan but comprehensive plan would the whole city a whole bunch more than just a housing
but emphasis on the housing would kind of take care of both things. >> Yeah. Okay. >> That may cause it to be more than just a normal comprehensive plan, too. I don't know. >> Yeah. All right. Well,
>> all right. Uh, as far as reports go, I've worked with Mel and we've put together a business directory and kind of figured this out with Google. Um, not only will I have every business within the community on it, we've kind of divided
up I divided up east and west of 52 and all the business east of 52, all business west of 52. And we've got a map, a link to Google Maps. So, if you see the address, you can run your cursor over it. The map will pop up. uh phone
number, obviously name of the business, and then a picture, you know, website or anything like that. It's so easy nowadays to just Google things. I I I think putting a website in there is and websites change all the time. >> Mhm. And they're expensive, time
consuming. >> Finding a link to the website is kind of a pain in the rear end, but it if somebody's looking for it, they can easily Google Google it. So what we'll do is on the city website we will have an um business directory there for the businesses within orogo. I think you'll
be surprised at how many business actually are in >> or >> and it's pretty it's pretty interesting 20. Yeah, I would. >> That was my count. 19 or 20 over that. Uh, titrus. I didn't even count them up. Is it really good? >> Found the gas station up there. It's on
and on. >> That's quarter. It's a BP now. >> It's a quarter. >> It's not a BP till it's gas. >> It's got so many little tight. >> Got a sign. It had a shell sign, but it wasn't a shell either. >> But that >> it was a shell for something
>> like one of his ci boutique that used to be. Now they pull up in a van. >> Yeah. They got a big class A RV or something like that, right? >> It's really cool to do that. >> Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, that'll be that'll kind of promote
our business within the community. And so, when you visit the website, you'll be able to see them. Yeah, I think it'll be very good. >> Good idea. >> Cool. >> So, we we'll be have that done more likely this month. >> Mel's great at doing those things. >> Yep. >> Rockstar. Yeah, she's fun to work with.
And that's all I got. Okay. >> Yeah, I was going to make a motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? And just for clarification, Tuesday is going to be April the 26th.
>> May 26th. >> May 26th. Yeah, >> that's correct. May 26. Yep. Part: 2
area especially these days. >> Especially these days it's going past. >> Yep. >> Taxes. >> Uhhuh. >> It's because of taxes >> and other things.
access. >> They raised up they raised up the business in their little meeting. They raised some >> building commercial. >> Well, at least they kept the air on for us, huh? >> Anything out over
here? >> All right. >> Um I'm just >> Yeah. Oh, I know. You know what? >> Place we moved to from the taxes were insanity and the money was never being
spent, right? >> So, I mean, it was like >> this is the whole problem is just continuing to spend all of the play area for kids that were not even the one for multi-millions of dollars. What for
>> a lot of kids on the government, I suppose. I don't know. No, I have never seen a park run because they can't get into it because parks are busy. >> So that was in in Rochester. >> In Rochester, they use no one% of their building. Then they want to put the fields off and all this stuff.
>> Now you live in Rochester. >> Oh, they made >> 850 million or something. >> They take money in. Hale takes money in by nonprofit. >> But they they might be nonprofit, but they listed 800 some million this first quarter in profit.
>> Wow. >> We're tear down a building and rebuild it. >> They will have zero profits. >> I see. So we spend it. >> That's That's great margins though. I mean
>> 800 million. Is that what it said? >> Yeah. 800 million in the first quarter. >> Yeah. My department nets 14 million a month. >> What's your department? >> Wow. >> So it's just one section of one
>> one. We pay for majority of >> the existence of like family medicine. So is that usually the negative? >> 75 million $75 million donations. >> Yeah, I saw that.
>> Yeah. performance. I'm just saying >> if somebody who got their life saved there by millions of dollars, >> it would be an easy thing to want to give to >> because >> not everywhere can you get that. >> But
>> Florida Mayo is not Rochester Mayo. >> All right, we'll go ahead and start. This is our monthly >> oh Evans now >> monthly EDA meeting. So it's 5:30
Tuesday May 26. Roll call. Ryland Daniel >> here. >> Kathy >> here. >> Carl >> here. And Jan here. So, we have a um I thought we were
think Kurt's on vacation. So, there is a lady that another C representative first name is Laura and her last name here. So, I had did not hear anything from her
today. I'm not sure. All right, we'll go ahead to our agenda. Did everybody see the the packet as far as the monthly minutes, the May meeting? Okay. So, so I make a motion we approve this agenda.
>> Second. Favor signify by saying I. I. regular meeting notes of April 21st. >> Make a motion we approve those. >> Second. >> Any comments from when you did read
them? It looked okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. earrings. So, old business. So,
in the packet was uh copies of the logo that has been Well, the logo, the color logo with the offsetting sun was the number one choice. >> It's good. And the black and white also with the
offsetting sun. And this card I have the business card used a green and blue green river
have a copy of it here. So I think what from Wendy I guess there's a couple things that we just on the card are the tagline was um um
bringing traditions with tomorrow. Is that what you got before right here? >> Yeah. Yeah. What was the tagline on it? Tradition >> building traditions with tomorrow I have on my phone. >> Is that it? you know, building tradition with tomorrow.
So, I thought it would be good if that could be I mean, this logo has some places to add the tagline underneath this one here. >> Now, how was that tagline uh figured
out? How did they come up with that? Uh there was a voting uh had 30ome suggestions and uh you didn't see these. >> Well, I was here and we did our suggesting thing, but I didn't know how we got it down to one.
>> Yeah, there was a there was an email string to about 11 or 15 people that was on that ballot >> on that committee. That's probably why it missed it because I'm not on that actual committee. It's no big deal. I just wonder. No, >> that's probably why. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yes. I didn't look at the list close enough to think if the uh all the EDA members were on it. Were you Carl or so? I was, you know, I finally wrote her back. They were trying to do some voting. And as I mentioned this last time, I wasn't getting anything
other than the email saying here. And she said the last one, she said, "Well, voting." I finally wrote wrote waiting back. I said, "I haven't been getting anything. you've been sending me the email, >> but I haven't been getting the pictures, nor have I been getting >> all these all these things that come up. I have never gotten those on my on
because they were doing everything that way and I wasn't on the committee. I wasn't getting that's the only reason I end up with these two. I finally said to her, >> yeah, I just >> I haven't been getting anything. So, on the committee, how can I vote on anything when I don't see anything? And and then she sent me those then she sent
me those things like that and I said, "Well, okay, I'll go with this one." But that's the first time I had seen the finish or what they were coming down to. Oh, >> okay. >> So, that's why I was saying here in the last EDA meeting, I really don't like these Zoom meetings. I'd really like to
be able to have them come here so that we could see it. It's it's overdone now, but that's why the Zoom is didn't work for me because I was and then I tried to log in on the Zoom or where it was and I wasn't getting the login to even log in
to get into the Zoom meetings. So, I did see the emails. I thought it was just within it looked like it was just within the EDA group here and I shared a few of my comments in there. I don't know if anybody else saw that. My vote was for bridging community, but I
don't really care what the words are. I just usually, you know, being on other boards, um, and when strategic plans are developed and taglines are developed, I I'm the guy who's always questioning what kind of actions are backing up the
pretty words that we choose. So that's all how are we going to build tradition with tomorrow would be my question or show evidence of that. Well, I think that's good question.
>> It's a tagline. >> Yeah. >> Make t-shirts out of it. >> You know, some bridging. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you know, if you ask that question, I just off the top of my head, bridging traditions with tomorrow
is one of the big things is asking the community when new things come along that you're open. >> Yeah. >> That you're that you're open and transparent and you allow the community to say, "We're moving to tomorrow. Uh how do we want to get to tomorrow?" and having their input. So if you were to
ask me that, I'd say we're allowing the community always to have input because they have had it in the past tradition to have input. You know, how will this affect anything we do? If we do any of our gold rush or any other thing that you do, if we try to do something different, how does that bridge the
tradition? That's just in my head. >> No, we're not bridging, we're building. We're not bridging tradition with tomorrow. We're building tradition with tomorrow. >> Okay. Says bridging. Oh, it does. >> Bridging tradition. >> Bridging.
>> Oh, you I thought you said building. >> I heard building, but >> bridging is fantastic. We have bridge and it's the logo. What I was That's what I meant. Bridging. >> Yeah, that sounds a lot better. >> Oh, I said when you say bridging, that's what I was saying is how you do that. And I had when you asked that question.
>> I was trying to respond. My last thoughts are and then I'll be quiet here. Uh >> looking back with that, I think I offered it in my email as well. I'm happy to meet with the owners of the recent um establishments here in
Oronokco and if we have some generic questions that want to gather some information on how we're doing um I'm happy to do that. >> I think we should so this what's going to happen now I believe this is the
right it will come to council on June the 16th with official approval. This is our recommendation I guess for PDA and for Whitney. Uh I don't know if she's planning on being there at the meeting. We can request that to kind of answer some of your questions u about the
tagline, the background, what our thoughts are. I see the uh our comprehensive plan reflecting on that of how we grow is that is what a comprehensive plan is. The first the plan we have now in place is 2006.
uh and it's all predicated on the sewer project. It's a sewer project the growth will occur. Of course, we have it. We're seeing that growth, but at the same time, we also need to look forward housing. >> I think once you said bridging, it
became a whole different story for me. I I just thought build how do you build tradition with tomorrow? But then as soon as you clarify that it was bridging bridging, >> that makes perfect sense because you got the bridge. >> Yeah. Yeah. It just >> Yeah. Sorry I wasn't >> not filling the gap but
>> reaching out to the next years. >> So what you're talking about Carl is something that and we can talk about this with Kurt because he is visiting all these businesses >> that that was one of his goals early on was to touch base with all the business. I don't think he's done all of them yet
but he has been reaching out to those. So, um, we can >> this year or not, last year we did some of them, but we can sure bring that up to next week's or next month's meeting just a status of that >> and get some feedback on what
>> feedback feedback and data and >> yeah, >> all in an effort to learn and grow and improve. So, yeah, >> we can bridge bridge tradition with tomorrow. >> That's right. I think, you know, in addition to what
Kurt's doing, I think it would be great to have representation from the actual somebody from the EDA committee to just follow up with those kind I mean just casual conversations with people. If I'm a business owner and I know when I've
developed businesses, it's been nice to have economic development take an interest in what I'm doing and and help and they may not help in any specific way, but just their knowledge and their
um they might know something that I don't as a business owner. >> I totally agree. It's important that they're aware of it. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll let's have that conversation with Kurt the next meeting. So,
I'll make sure it's in the minutes. Okay. Um, EDA development of River Park outlet A. So, we just recently uh city council received a attorney
client privilege letter from Mike Flity, our city attorney. And so uh and he went they've been spending a lot of time from a legal perspective the way the development agreements were written what it means what it doesn't mean what we
can do with it the risk of doing something with it that maybe the development agreement didn't specifically say it should state park land can do something so that'll be discussed at our June 16th meeting uh
from a legal perspective of which direction The council wants the city to go on that. So, so we'll hear more about that after the council meeting in June. So, >> second June meeting. >> What's that?
>> The second June meeting. 16th, right? >> The 16th, right? Not the June third meeting. >> The third meeting. >> June >> 16th. >> Yeah, the June 3rd meeting was cancelled, right? >> Officially didn't. Okay. I don't know that I saw that. I thought I got just
things got cut from the agenda. >> Thanks for a second. Got so many meetings floating around here. We have a meeting on we have a June I'm just talking out loud. We have a June 9th public hearing. It's a phase 1B kind
of it's a water and sewer night. So we're having a phase 1B open information meeting. Then we're have a public hearing. This is for to approve the public facility plan which is the first step of going to the design and down the road. So Stantech Joe Palin and his
staff have put together this facility plan for phase 1B. So it starts to lay out some of the cost some of the plans how it's going to connect everything that's on that map there for phase 1B and the yellow and all the different sections.
So that'll be discussed in a public hearing and council will approve the facility plan. So that will be sent to uh MPCA and they can start reviewing our plan and start giving us some feedback. Yeah, there's some different options as we get it. You get look at the very top
those areas A1, A2, A3. there's some discussions that'll have to happen because there's so few parcels up there and there's a long distance between them and uh whether or not they're included in this
phase or in the further down the road, but those discussions will be part of the public information meeting. So, if you're interested in hearing about that, it's at 5:30 on June the 9th from 5:30 to 6:30.
Uh, and I think it'd be good for all ADA people to hear that and then there will be a public hearing to before the council and council will take action after the public hearing that evening. So,
so last week talked Ryland, you and I about um reaching out to Majestic Homes and Paul Meyer and various builders. We determined the first question to be asked was the permissibility of actually built. Is that all checked off and
that's all good to go? >> Um >> you found out it's >> I know just because of this attorney client privilege and all the different options that we'll be discussing. So there's there's options of like we discussed city doing it or developer
each one of those has certain complic not complications but issues that need to be worked out. So yeah, nothing >> right now. I would I would say that's not >> nothing for discussion >> until we can make a we've got to do a
meeting on it with the attorney and then we can discuss it more. >> Got it. >> So the the yes or no answer to the question, can the land be built on? Has that been >> currently undecided? >> That's what that's the discussion. Okay,
>> that's where they go. >> So, we just pulled off longer >> and we're talking about river >> drain field in River Park. >> Yeah. >> 8 acres, I think it is. >> Yeah. >> Eight acres.
>> Yeah, I hold off. >> Sorry. >> I just would hold off any discussions with Phil. >> Okay. Very good. Yep. >> All good questions, but we need to go through the process. So from a legal standpoint, >> you want to look at the community
calendar. Make sure that is it June 3rd in the all the calendar. It is June 3rd still on the calendar. >> June 19th ERC then phase 1B sewer water improvements
and a special council meeting for the 9th. Then the 16th >> maybe the June 3rd >> is our regular council meeting. >> The June 3rd is on there but we were going to add some items but maybe that's it. We found out we couldn't add. >> Yeah, I think that the June 3rd items that were going to be added are now on
the 16th. There's still >> the meeting is still >> meeting still on >> and has the May 19th agenda item just plugged into the June 3rd date. >> Yep. Everything else goes on to the 9th or the 16th.
>> When I said it was canceled, I think referring to the items we wanted to add. >> Yes. Yeah. We got our work cut out for us this month. What's that? >> We got our work cut out for us this month.
>> Yes. Next item was a housing study comp plan. I think in the packet there are these two pages. Let me just before we leave the river park
and then memo from Kurt. two EDA members. They make copies of this real quick for everybody. >> I think all that information, Ryland, that was in there is somewhat irrelevant
at this point with Mike's information. >> It is. So, we should probably just wait to discuss anything else >> when we have the whole picture. >> Okay. >> It probably confused us more than anything.
>> Exact. Yeah, exactly. It's just a back and forth. We just We have to figure out what we're going to do. Let me make coffee last night at 4 a.m.
>> be you send someone here to be here tonight. He would be somebody would be here. >> Yep. >> But I remember reading that. >> Yep. And then Melissa responded three minutes later. Okay. Yeah,
I get right into the >> sharp looking. >> What? >> Sharp looking. >> I do too. I actually prefer that black and white version of it, but the color looks good. Mhm. I mean, I wouldn't put I wouldn't
put the color one on say a hat or anything, but like stitched in single color on a polo or a we put on embroidered, it makes a whole different t-shirt where if you do it on a collared
shirt and embroider it out there, it's >> have it embroidered. I don't embroidery. No, I'm saying I'll have it brighter. I point up better than the screen on. >> Yeah, it will look nice.
>> Thank you. >> So, this is in the packet regarding it was a housing study and comp plan and Kirk had pulled together some cost. Saw that right.
So, the housing plan was 20,000. So, I'd like him to go over a little bit more detail of what this plan will bring to the city and our current state. >> What's in the final report? Yeah, I mean
it I mean you know what's in the final report? I mean with only two lots that are truly developable right now like and those already being zoned for specific things like what else does the comprehensive
plan bring to us? So, I haven't I haven't I guess I'm maybe I'm missing the value in having these done when we don't actually have growth available to us right now except for the
two the two lots. Um, so I think I think it's reasonable to just I think we need to dig deeper and really explain like what what's the value in this especially for those amounts.
So when as we met with the steering committee kick off that strategy session, >> I guess we had a city engagement meeting two years ago in fire hall >> where we citizens provided input what we
kind of need and and so we have our community engagement plan that Rebecca put together. >> Yeah. >> The first year. So, uh, but I agree. I think there's there's like immediate concern.
>> Mhm. >> For the two lots. Uh, so let's just clarification for the two lots. So, the point is that the 43 acres which is over this flow
three. So two sisters is at here >> across the street. This is where Dragon's 54 unit 14 build 14 buildings with four quads in each building. So he's going to start
moving dirt yet this year to build the phase of four buildings. He's always the last I heard he's going to build a phase one which is four buildings right across from two sisters. >> And those are the quadlex town homes. Yes. >> Those are the quadlex town homes.
>> Yes. Yes. They're slab one level and double garage, two and three bedrooms. Um in the $350 to $500,000 range is what we've always been told. Directly across the street is this 43 acre spot.
Um Ari called us and purchased this. Now, he sold that to another gentleman. His name is Grant Washlock from South Dakota. So, he's looking at developing this, too. The one thing that came out of our
planning and zoning codes was a transition area, if you will, for all these homes that have large lots. This was for here, as well as along Riverwood Hills where we got these big lots. There was a
A minimum of 20,000 square foot lots. >> Yes. >> And it was how wide? >> Um it was our current R1 designation was going to be that buffer, but whatever the current R1 is right now. It's going to spill in.
>> R1 is 13,000 square foot. >> Well, sorry. Our current R prior our prior R1 minimums. >> Okay. that offer us. >> So I was going to kind of follow this border here
which was an issue with our area already to original. We have that kind of help. So there's what happens beyond that transition line of town homes R13,000.
There's also a plan that the new codes identifies development flex. Development flex is that you could plan smaller lots in there, but it all has to be it's a complete plan of how you want to develop the whole thing. So, um,
>> so what you were, so back to Dan's concern, um, the two areas that we're looking at already have plans or somewhat of plans to be developed, why
do a housing study, comp plan, and comprehensive plan on top of that? Is that what you're saying? >> That's what I'm saying. until until some of this stuff until some of this stuff opens up. >> Uhhuh. >> Um all this opens up, you know, I don't
know the benefit of of it currently. I mean, we have this section that's probably going to do something with here here, but and then whatever happens here, but this is all
business, right? >> This we have no idea about. And then over here, so I mean, >> yeah, >> what >> I mean, we could look at it for 2027, but maybe that's more of a let's get
houses built. Let's get some of these things >> put up and then put the money up and say, "Okay, well, we now have 54 quads. Did that really meet the requirement or do are we needing to find something
different? >> My my opinion of the housing study is to help depends on how detailed it is, but it kind of helps the developers what the city's looking for as opposed to what the developer wants to give us. And that
may not fit with our community idea of what we want to see. >> That's a good point. So, I think that's uh and we did get some of that input from that community engagement session we had. >> Yeah. >> I mean, not everybody likes $500,000
Quinn homes. I mean, we need something probably less than that, too, with the 350 or whatever the case may be, but something less than that because those are kind of high-end, middle to high-end amenities, I think. So
just one other point and Daniel alluded to there's this what was the oracle crossing drain field the white fence here off Lake Shady Avenue the gentleman that purchased this also is he hasn't purchased this yet but he's
looking at that also to develop into some type of housing but that's that's being discussed but nothing's been signed or anything like that >> that is that up there when you're showing Is that there by the uh Gas and go?
>> Gas and gole's right here. >> Okay. >> And over here, this is Lake Shady across the street from the develop from the RV dealers. >> People's cooperative had their drain field here, the white fence. >> So that's just like our drain field.
>> Yep. Right. Right. Right. So, >> so it's like one, two, three for comment that that's this is all future here, but this is pretty predictable something in the next couple years >> that Gal was looking at putting what you said those offices or that stuff right
there. >> Yeah, Linda King, >> right? Yeah, Lena was putting in that was the lower type office and look like a house, but they're >> they're a I guess when I see up in the city, they go down there, they're they're a one-story type thing and they
and they're an office. They're a chiropractor or something like that. It's not a big tall building. It's it's rows of of >> buildings, business, condos for a better >> business condos, I guess you call. And right now, just an update, you know,
back in September, we allowed this to be reszone to B2 for six months and that expired March 15th. >> Right. Right. No, I understand. >> I'm just trying to put it on my head where everything when you're pointing out where everything is. >> Yeah. So, currently outside of those,
there's nothing that is even brought up to be annexed or developed or anything um on that front. So, I guess like I just want to see what
what else is in in there because if >> we don't really need anybody to come in and say well this is what Oronoko needs when we don't have any land to fulfill those needs >> revenue from developing what we have and
the tax revenue from that to pay for something like this down the road. So we get we get information and that would be useful for 2028 2029 something along that but we don't have any inkling when those other properties
are going to be >> um >> could be tomorrow >> could be could be tomorrow you know so the chart below was just a summary that Kirk put together of the different counties cities within those counties what they're offering and of
with or no, one thing we know for sure is the 56 from Dragon. So, as these other properties develop with the gentleman from South Dakota, we'll be able to add to that, but that's not all right. Now,
so I think it's we'll keep it on the agenda and uh we'll just bring it back and continue to discuss with courage. We did have money budgeted for 2026. Um, but I thought we had 50,000 which included the CEDA contract and
then pick one to balance out that 50,000 commitment to be used. So the the CDA contract is like 33,000 I think 33 to 36 something in there. But I guess where I'm at is like I just feel
very um unprepared to make a decision on either of those with not having any idea of what benefit this actually >> question. >> That's really where I'm at. I just need I want more information on it before I can make a
>> informed decision. I know the age friendly is interested in the housing but the housing is also a part of the comprehensive plan >> right >> so again interested in it but what is the benefit of it like because it can come
back and say we need these things but if we don't have space to put any of that stuff and then the question comes back and say well why did we spend the money on it >> agree Um, >> I just I personally just feel like I need a lot more information on
>> on what this brings to a community to make an informed decision on either of them or none of them kind of situation. Do we need a motion or something just to keep it on the >> No, we'll just leave it on the agenda. >> Oh, just keep it on the agenda. Just keep moving it down. Say where we at.
>> Okay. Okay, last item is um new business. Um the greener pub, cocktail lounge, and and retail store in the front, shades of green.
They're working on it. It's the building by the post office. >> Yeah, that's awesome. They got their storm water drainage pond done now. So, they'll probably paving their parking lot there. So, >> I have not heard of a date. I just know they've been very active. I know they'd
like to be open for gold rush. So, I think they're >> every day there's something new going on. >> He he stopped up with me and wanted to know I went down talked to him. He wanted to get his pizza. My forklift whatever I didn't understand realized
his speed oven was 10,000 pounds. I said my for you got to get a you'll have to get a teleah handler alone get it off the truck to move inside your brother I guess I didn't realize p£10,000 >> but off the collected off the truck and the crate and everything else. I said
I'd be happy to come down and help him out with it. >> What a heck of an investment. >> But uh I've been inside and it's uh he's been doing the painting and the craft whatever. It's pretty nice. >> It be it'll be a nice addition. Y
>> people downtown >> just over the hill from Carl and I. >> Well, you too, Jan. >> Special four golf out there and everything. >> Yeah. >> There you go.
>> Um, Fox and Fern, that's building right next to to Ken's building. Um, >> did they buy the front lot of that, too? Not >> yet. I call under uh I talked with her. I talked with the herb and stuff like
that. It's a contract for deed to whatever. I don't It's kind of a weird arrangement, whatever. But um >> but so they're not going to use that for parking or anything. >> No, that doesn't that didn't go with the building. He sold or split those two
locks off. >> Well, where where do people park for the store? She's >> Yeah, she is more of a >> Yeah. >> In other words, she designs the flowers. She's not like I'm gonna go pick some flowers up today from a flower shop. She
my understanding of it she for weddings are >> it's her studio. She d designs everything else and they make all the stuff there and then >> they take it out. >> Yeah. >> So, it is like it is like a I need to go I need to go buy a dozen roses today. I forgot them. Yeah,
>> she might sell something, but it's my understanding it was a studio type where she designs and you contractual with her to say this is what I want for my wedding or whatever event I have and >> and she's moving out workshop. Well, yeah. Design studio flowers.
>> Yeah, I've I've looked at the website. Very impressive. >> It's going to be nice. Um, why isn't the corner building across from the post office selling? >> I don't know. I know it's up for sale, Tiffany. >> Why is it not selling?
>> Yeah. >> Take a walk in it. >> Really? >> It's a trampoline. >> You walk on the floor. >> It springs back. >> But I've never been inside. >> I'm just saying this is and I talked to everybody. It's
>> It's uh Yeah, it's it would need extensive again. I don't know again to gut to gut it you got it you tear it down or whatever but the choices or whatever it's it used to be a restaurant. >> Wow. >> Yeah. It used to be a restaurant back in the day. I mean I went to eat breakfast
there. It used to be a restaurant one time and then the gentleman bought into it and then he made an apartment and some guy was living downstairs. He was living upstairs or whatever. But yeah, it's um structurally
um I think it has it has some issues and when they did uh the dynamite or doing something they he claimed they cracked the wall and so then they had to come back and pay him something whatever when they were doing whatever when they said they
close to him whatever but there's not a whole lot of there's there again there's not a whole lot of he walks out the front door that is >> the side of his building is only 3 4 feet on the side of the building. The rest of that's easement and they wouldn't uh those people wanted to open up a when they bought at that
time for me. They asked me and I said, "Well, did you check on easements, whatever?" And they you can't drive on your drain field, but now there's no drain field because you would have to hook up the sewer. I don't know if he's got a well there or I don't think it was ever hooked up to city. I don't remember if it was hooked.
>> Not I don't think so. Not yet >> that they were hooked up to city water or sewer. So they can take the drain field back. There's parking behind the building on that because you don't have the drain field anymore. But um >> yeah, you're limited. >> The one person did want to open a little winery there. Uh what they want to do,
but the they wouldn't approve it because they said they didn't have any parking is one of the reasons why it got it got turned down. But >> I I the same as the building. >> Yeah. Same thing with the old Burks building.
He spent put a lot of money on on the roof. He put a lot of money on a roof that >> and if he tears that down, zero lot line. So if you tear the building down, it's two two stories that you what what do you build? What do you build back on that situation? Because the rightway
goes right down alongside his building. So that road that goes down right alongside a building is road right away. And I think at the zero lot line in the back of that >> anyway I just it's I don't know what I don't know what they're ever going to do with that piece of property unless the
developer comes in and says I got an idea and he could someone could come up with a hell of an idea to put something there. I don't but that's the answer on those buildies either. >> I want to I want to do a tap takeover place with some ice cream.
It used to be able to get a hold of for the building, but >> it was a bar. It was called Down Under. Underneath there, it was called Down Under. >> Have somebody come in from different breweries and rent out your tabs for a weekend and bring in all kinds of different
beers or cers or whatever. But that that is the issue. I've heard that as well is that there's easements up to the building and the front stairs. You walk out the frontier, that's ement. >> Yeah. I don't know who once the city goes in and changes the right way.
>> I was going to say can that happen. >> That's been talked about. It's a huge >> because they parked in BS. I mean >> they pulled right pull up when Bergs antique store was there. They parked right in front. You walked up the I mean there was no issue with well you can't do that. They just parked
>> did it >> and well I mean they just run a business out of it and for years was very successful Bergs Antiques. So who owns that? Yeah. David, >> I was told one of the family members or something in and here again the money that he put in the roof. I just looked
at it. I thought >> I heard insurance required him to put my bad >> insurance probably made him do that. Oh yeah, he couldn't ensure a building was going to fall off >> because the water start east of town township.
First name was Dave. >> All right. Um well that's what we have on agendas and go. Is it coming and going? >> You mean the BP? >> The BP. Is it coming or going? >> Question mark. >> Yeah. No kidding. >> No,
>> cuz they put gas prices up the other day. >> Is that right? Come right from BP yourself cuz I I stopped the other day. I gonna get five gallons of gas and open time. I said the signs on. Last I heard
all they had was like the nonox boat and lawn mower kind of gas two-stroke gas. So >> but I haven't stopped there. >> I did the other night and you couldn't send it. >> They took your credit cards and thank you much and didn't do thank you for whatever and the pumps nothing turned on
nothing and nobody inside and I'm thinking that's a hell of a investment to no to purchase and being sitting >> doing that. So, I >> probably don't put your credit card on there again. >> Yeah. Well, I like I said, I didn't know that when I saw the gas prices.
>> You just said that you put it on there and it said thanks and it just said thank you. I mean, it come up and you took the pump off and it come up. Thank you. >> Yeah, I didn't know. I That's too bad. They post gas prices sometimes in Pine
Island when I drive by there and then sometimes >> and it's closed too still. >> It's the same. >> Wow. And then one other quick question. When we when I we were getting ready to move to Oronokco, I was talking to the owner of the house that we bought and
she said, "Yeah, they're out there working on that walking trail which is going to go down by the river now." So I assumed, "Oh, that's going to be cool. I'm going to live on something like the Douglas Trail here when I move to Oronokco. Well, we've lived here about
four years now and it's barely mowed. Are is there something really? >> So, yeah, they did they did have a mowing trail. There's no pave trails. >> Okay. >> There's mowing trails right now >> and that's all it will be or that's all I and that's okay.
>> The pine behind you is our phone. >> Just a minute. Excuse me. >> Oh, got it. Okay. >> There's no money to develop that. It's
just a >> a thing with a river bed like that when it floods the next time. Anything any black top or anything you put in there, it'll be all filled in. And then who's got the money to >> unfill it? >> Unfill it all. I mean, it's a it's it's a it's a river bed.
>> A dry river, you might as well call it right now, a dry river bed. But that dry river bed could turn into a >> and it does get >> Yeah. >> deeper. >> So, this was a plan that was put together back in 2011 when the when flood caused the whole lake to drain.
This easement was what washed out and just drained the lake. So it was really close to heaven there. There was plans to dredge the lake prior to this flood that happened. So shortly after that down here
2011 they put together this plan of how they're going to develop this lake bed. So So what's happened now is still a plan. So when we >> Now when you say they are you talking the DNR or
>> Well it was it didn't belong to the county. Okay. So when we went in and we took the dam out we put in these wees river was reconstructed to meander versus before it's just like this a lot of erosion. So we had we
received like $ three and a half million dollars. the city may split the cost with the county where we got a lesser sams grant uh and also something from the DNR. The cost for the city was like $60,000 at that time our portion of the
county. So we they went ahead and and this is an engineered design river now with all the different ripples in it and uh in December of 2018 I think was 1718 the county transferred all this land to
the city. So Oracle Park is up here but now this is all Oracle park. It's about 93 94 acres. So this plan allowed us to start planning. But however, back in the day, these peninsulas,
there's a peninsula into the lake here and up here. And when they put in 52, they bought these properties uh >> help with construction of 52. So they bought those pro
bought those properties with bonding bill money. So, in 2021, um I went to the mend said, "We want to what can we do to purchase those units? We'll just give you a price $5,000 for these seven acres." They said, "Well, we
can't do that because we use bonding bill used bonding bill money to buy these properties." So, we had to go out. We negotiated, not negotiated very well, very much, but for like $17,000, $16,000, we picked up all these
properties and all this right away goes up to Fifth Avenue. So, part of the deal was we'll buy the property, but then MDOT has to put a fence, a rightaway fence on here between the two rivers, and that's where we're at right now. We
bought the property in 2024, and I've been working with Vendot. It's it's obviously a low priority and uh we bought November 2024 25 to get everything done and hopefully in 2026 they'll put in this rideway fence which
cost about would have cost us about $80,000 the fence in but it's been a liability. >> So until we put the fence in, we're not really promoting this area as far as that's why this gate is always here.
people can walk around and everything but and so once the fence is in then I think they will be open to the public but the idea is to have mode trails can our public has mowed a trail in here a couple years ago and then this trail
right through here past your property belya ultimately we'd like to have pave trails like to have a gazebo on this bm that follows the river so whenever does flood sudden the burm and everything
sloped on either side of this river. It all drains back into this channel. That's the way it was designed. >> Is that the side of the river you were asking about, Kathy? The west side that >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Nothing's happening over here. That's nothing. No change there or no change here.
>> No, I was just assuming when she said they're putting on a walking trail that it was some kind of a development, you know. >> Yeah. But >> boy, that would that'd be really neat to That's a nice chunk of land out there. >> It is. >> It is. It's beautiful. >> It's got a lot of potential. It's just a
matter of >> fence built >> and getting to it. >> Well, you can get to it under >> because when they did all the construction, all the construction, we had to go to VendOT and say, "Hey, we want to allow our trucks and contractor
roof come under the bridges." And so Vendot allowed us to keep that path there. >> We just got to keep people out of our yard. >> I was going to say you got a canoe landing and scenic overlook in your yard. >> Yeah.
>> So they come up to your house and just knock on my door and say, "Hey." >> Some of the neighbors have said there's been people looking at the been poking around and we call it the river house. Some people call it the boat house, the barbecue house, you know. >> But >> yeah, whatever. We're not too concerned. I was kind of joking. But
>> ever seen people kaying in here where they will >> No, >> this has happened early this spring. There was a guy that come up from I didn't talk to him, but he was he came up here and park at Alice Park and he put a his kayak right in one of these weirs and he would just kind of stay
there and kind of pedal through kind of go down there kind of pedal through again. in this think of summer we see some coming from this side and then a couple years ago I saw a dad of the year award won by a guy who had I think he put himself on a on an inflatable
mattress >> and he had his kids on tubes on either side or whatever said he came just floating his way down there >> anyway >> that's good >> ultimately we'd like to have a bridge
across the upper stream here. >> Yeah, >> that's that would be nice to have. It's it's the idea we put it close to the highway because that's the best place for a bridge because of flooding because the channel's kind of narrow here. So, that' be a good place to put a bridge.
But ultimately, this would be a way that the west can connect to the east bridge here, too. I think this probably come before this because it's >> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. have time to make it happen.
>> All in due time. >> Yeah. >> But once the fences in I think you'll see more pave at least mode paths. >> Yeah. >> And some signage to allow you where go. Right.
Well, there's anything else you want to touch base on will be on June the 30th be our next meeting. >> June 3030. >> Okay, perfect. I'm just going to put it in my calendar.
>> Make a motion. Meeting adjourned. >> Second. >> I June 23rd is the next meeting. >> Is that the 23rd is the next meeting? >> Oh, fourth. >> Okay. I just read what was on the
agenda. I didn't look at the 23rd. >> Yeah. 23rd and the 30th. >> Oh. Of June. Yeah.