Right. This is the uh Orno economic development meeting agenda. Um we'll do a call to order. Roll call. So Ryland may be here in a minute. Jamie
absent. I did hear from her. Daniel's here. >> Adam here. >> Dan >> here. >> Kathy and Carl here. >> Myself, Jason.
>> Um, so we will take a look at the agenda and uh adopt the agenda. Motion to adopt it. So we got a second a second. All those in favor? >> I
opposed. Looking at the meetings minutes from the 208 October >> and the second month I spelled Jan's last name wrong. So hopefully by the
next time I will get it correct. Sorry J wrong in tonight and everywhere. So get my name. >> I'll make a motion to accept the meeting minutes as amended. >> Second. All those in favor of adopting the
minutes. >> Uh 25 is saying I >> I no public hearings tonight, right? Nope. And then you want to start on old business. >> Yeah, we'll talk about the branding project. Uh so as you're very well familiar, the
branding project's getting near the final product. Suit issued the final two brands. There are possibilities voting for these brands. I'll show you picture and it's in your packet as well. Will run from the 1st to the 31st of December. So what we plan to do is run out roll it out in January with the the
brand for noco uh web page on city website with two possibilities to vote for flyer will be created. So if you notice the last page of your packet there is I just got this today from um
from tulip tree kind of lays out what it is they're going to do. This is if you have a business where or a spot where this would work. Send me an email. It's the 11 by17 poster. Uh I'm going to take these around Oronokco today and or this
be tomorrow and Wednesday and put them in certain spots. We'll have one here. It's got information on how to vote. Uh let's see here. So, so Melissa will create next version. They'll use a survey monkey which is a way to vote
online. There are ways to vote here for people who don't want to vote online. I'm actually get a ballot here at city hall. All those instructions are on this uh poster as well as the website. So yeah,
go ahead. So Melissa will be creating a web page on the city website. Uh the flyer was you can see was designed here. It's on 11 by7 paper. Will be around town. I'll take those around.
so people can vote. Uh there are physical voting slips you can come here to the city hall and vote. Social media graphics will be put out. Uh basically what they're going to do is they're going to flood or noco with ways to vote. And as you can see, one of the big questions going to be is color. So as
they've listed on the poster here, it says the logos are shown in black and white so the community can focus on the design itself. color will be added later once a final logo is selected. So, we're getting towards the end of the
brand and you can see the the final will be given after at the end of the year. >> Looks like the QR code might need a little tweaking. >> I don't think it goes live until December 1st. >> Ah, got it. Um, I'm curious. A silly
question, but do you need to is there the filter question in there? Do you need to be a citizen to vote? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Spider monkey, too. They they know how to >> like a resident of Oronoko. >> Yeah. Sorry. Resident resident of Oronoko because I I'm curious if you've
talked to Two Sisters and put it up there and you get bunch of traffic that are not Oro residents. >> Are you doing a citizen or property owners? This isn't my This isn't my survey, right? I don't know. I don't have >> citizen or property owner own property.
I don't I don't live, but I own. >> Yeah. You're not a resident. >> You don't get to vote if you're not a resident. >> I'm a property owner. I pay the taxes every every trust me. >> That's taxes. >> Yeah. Do you pay taxes? >> I'll be sure to letter.
>> I pay my fair share. More than my fair share. You mentioned maybe being able to put something up on your sign that you had a digital sign that you'd be willing to >> I I can go up to Thompson to do that. My point is I only I only do one side, so I'll probably be coming into town
because he's only It takes 30 amps of power and so he's only got one side that trailer RV out that's got 30 amps. I can light one side so I can put it Yeah. >> So it's facing the people coming to town versus going out of town. >> Yeah. We're not going to put it on his Oh, okay. No, it's
>> if you want I'm I'm happy to do that. >> No, I I know we're just we have plenty of ways to get it out there so you don't have to worry about >> Okay. Anyway, >> not for them. >> So, citizen or product questions? >> What questions does come up with? >> So, they if they vote on this vote
question here and there how I mean how many how do they keep track of everyone vote >> that you're not voting five times? >> Well, that's I was going to ask that question too is is that there's a lot of different ways to vote. What keeps me from stuffing the ballot because I'm real passionate about option one. So, I'm going to vote four different times through five different avenues >> and vote 20 times.
>> I think if you wanted to log in and create 10 different >> emails and yeah, >> it's possible you could vote. I I'm not sure yet. So, >> I'm not too worried about it. >> But that was asked when we had our meeting and she was pretty confident. It's just
>> I remember if it's like a login or if it tracks your VPN. >> Yeah, you vote. It won't allow you to vote multiple times. But I'll ask her that because like I said it doesn't go live till the first. So >> sure. >> Yeah. And I would gather you get a lot more traction with putting the link in the Facebook page than Yeah. I would
think that'd be a big one. >> Yeah. And they will they'll >> they'll put that stuff in there. >> Yeah. Already kind of got a spot on the city web page pretty set up ready to go. So Okay. Yeah, that's all I got for
you in that thing. If you want if somebody like I can send the the to right. So next on new business is uh reviewing terms of Carl. So was that
anything to do with that? >> Carl is like his his term uh >> with >> Carl has been accepted on the ADA by the city council. Congratulations Carl. A big step for any person. >> Uh so his term starts in 2025 and this
term will run to 2027. As you can see, you can see your own current end of term. Uh, Adam's term comes to an end, it looks like, on the 31st. Are you aware of that, Adam? >> Yeah, I thought it was coming up soon. Where is this at? Oh, here. >> Yeah, it's got review.
>> Got it. Got it. Yep. >> So, we can we can cover that in December if you want. If you want to run for reelection or if you're done. I think I think I'm inclined to take a break just for a number of reasons, but so I have a feeling that that >> So if you think probably let me know for
sure at the next meeting. >> Sure. >> Yep. >> That would open up that spot and then everybody else is here for at least at least another year. >> Okay. So how does one um
market slots to fill? >> How did you find the spot? >> Uh Ryland called >> Ryland. you wear them out. >> Yeah, we post it on >> it's on the board or >> if people really want to interested the meetings or whatever comes up.
>> They're tough to fill. U most they won't show up anyway. If you can friends, Carl, >> we're thankful you have. >> All right. Um, what is uh Okay, so new business move
Riven Park to EDA. >> So, this is something to consider as an EDA. Um in Zimroda the EDA manages open a couple of open lots. >> So what that would be it would take uh if there's inquiries about the lots of
anyway if you know developers come in say hey we're interested in this lot they would come to us the EDA and we would take the information and come up with a you know a kind of an answer for them. Yeah we want to sell you this lot for this we want to say or we want to
split it up. the final decision would obviously be made by the city council, but like as an example, this River Park development, we could take that. So, if um Majestic Homes came back and said, "Okay, we want to buy this for x amount of money." You bring it in the EDA and
you guys have real estate information, right, expertise, and then we could take it to the city council and say, "We believe this is a good idea to sell this or we don't believe it's a good idea to sell this." So it kind of takes a step away from city administration. It comes
right to the EDA. So this lot would be listed. I know I'm trying my hardest to get open lot an open lot map of Oronokco and we could list lot you know or development. So and that would fit under economic development obviously. Um and
if they make an offer that you don't want then EDA says I don't think that's a good idea. You can still take it to city council. city council can obviously override the EDA if they think we should do that. >> So what I'm kind of looking at, you
know, with de development within oro is going to continue. Um and I've been a part of meetings with this with fire safety out of Rochester wanting to buy that lot across from Casey's uh when I'm
in meetings with Jason and it's just it it just helps the city I think. uh and helps us as an EDA with some pretty important information. So, what I'm proposing, but if this is the way that we want to go as an EDA,
Jason was fine with it and we can bring it to the city council future and be like, "Hey, this lot, we can start with this lot is going to be we're not going to market it. you know, we don't market land or anything, but when information comes in, we'll come to the EDA and
we'll So, I guess there's I I think that would be a really uh it's an interesting proposal and my concern is would it slow the process
down? Well, it might. Um, yeah, because if you sell it, let's hypothetically say that we want to sell that land, that have to go to a public hearing. We could have the public hearing in the EDA meeting and then everybody whoever comes
here and then send those that information to city council, then they wouldn't have to have a public hearing. Um, >> so would it be more appropriate here PNZ zoning administrator with the city like
um I see I see the benefit of it coming here. Um >> like planning and zoning. >> Yeah, >> that would be it would just be for the sale of the land. >> Yeah. >> And let's say they want to put eight lots on that this land. That's what
we're selling it for is for them to put eight lots. Then they'd have to go to planning and zoning for, you know, permits for the buildings they want to put in the lots, the size of the lots and everything like that. >> Yeah. So, it's it'd be kind of a I don't know that it would slow the process, but like you said, starts here and this
group gives the direction for the developer where they would need to go, whether it goes to city council, whether it needs to go to PNZ to work with them for the next step, such as, oh, you've got to resize these lots, they've got to fit in with this or this, and kind of be that body to help guide it.
>> Sure. So, um I think that we have a unique experience here that could help with something like that. I would request that anytime we had something like that that you would attend as the zoning administrator, you'd attend the
EDA, that specific one. Um, >> and I'd still be a very active part of it, but this does take a little bit more off me and puts it into, you know, gives you guys something to do here. And right, >> you know, and this is a very active group, so it's nice to, you know, be able to say, "Hey, let's let's use our
EDA. Let's do some stuff." And >> sure, >> you know, you do see a lot of communities in the area that utilize their EDA a lot more than we have. And I think it would be very beneficial for us to do this. We're just looking at it as another set of skills to look at this
and say, "Hey, you know, we could recommend this or we don't." Yeah. One of those two things, right? >> Yeah. >> Instead of just me coming to council and going, "Hey, I think this is a good idea. Here's why." Well, no. We have a a governing body of citizens who have looked over this and used their combined
expertise and said, "Yes, this is a a good idea. Here's why." Would we need any kind of um zoning support from Stantech or Joe here for any of that that initial discussion or
>> Yeah, we would Joe's the engineer, right? >> Joe's Yeah, Joe's the engineer, but we would then the zoning portion is handled by a different >> person. I think I think we could deal with a zoning. Like for example, if this lot they came and said, "We want to put
a I want to put a a industry on that lot." We're like, "No, it doesn't fit that." >> Sure. >> So, it would stop here. And then they come back say, "Well, we want to build houses on this." >> Sure. >> They'd have to come back with a site plan >> uh done by an engineer, tell us, "Hey,
okay, there's eight houses in the this where the, you know, drain water goes and all that stuff." >> Sure. Yeah, but at that point that would move to planning and zoning or >> yeah, sorry. >> Hey, no worries. >> So I I guess we just said slowing down. >> You plan on being here tomorrow?
>> We meet at the end of the month. >> We plan on being here tomorrow. >> City council meets >> the Tuesday. >> So if they come at the end of the month and brought it to us, it actually could speed the process up because if it goes through here, then you have planned zoning would meet the plan and city
council meet before us. >> Yeah. Realistically, there's only, if you look at it calendar-wise, there's only a week window. You know, we're we have to have our schedule a week before council out anyways. And then that's so there's a week between EDA and that, you know, when we have to have the agenda
finalized. >> So, that's that's only a week window where there could be a little bit of slowdown, but so I guess would it need to come to us? And then if we were to recommend approval of something, would that then need to go to PNZ for anything
before council? Like cuz that's >> it depends on the circumstances, but we're going to help guide it that way anyways. It's kind of what we already do now, but it's it's taking more um it's providing EDA with more of a role to do
step up. In the past, >> EDA has just kind of been in the back burner. Hasn't been a part of stuff. What I've been trying to do is we have somebody coming who's interested in the building or maybe wanting to move into town with something. My first thing is, okay, I'm going to sit down. We're going to meet with Kurt. We're going to meet
with Evan, Joe, and we're going to do like a team's meeting and we're going to discuss this stuff and see kind of what where they're at in their process, what's going on, and then what do we need to do from there? Is it going to be a, you know, an EDA thing where it's going to need to come here or they
already passed that portion and okay, Kirk will give his experience and expertise and some guidance, but really this is the planning and zoning, you know, as their next step. But it's it's to be able to have that first step of EDA and to work as EDA to help bring
these businesses in to guide them towards especially as we start to have more defined areas of you know if we get the gold rush crossings working with them to get these projects brought in. It's going to be that first stepping stone, you know, working with we're doing on the west side there like you
said with fire safety. Okay. Well, Miko TVA, what were the options that we could do? TIFF, all that other stuff. We've got all that information then end up presenting that to council going that route. So would that be the goal then moving forward would be to move any kind of city-owned lots that we would be looking to sell that that this would be
the first stepping stone for that or is this specific a unique >> I think we would >> situation >> city lots >> city lots >> like for examp gave that presentation for of people's co-op y
>> like we wouldn't because that's their land >> right >> but if it's an open lot that the city of Orco owns that would come to us. Yeah. And then it'd give us an idea like you'd say, "All right, I'm going to put eight houses here." All right. And if you're serious about it, then you'd have it drawn up, have an engineer uh
engineering plan drawn up, have it laid out and everything, and it looks good to us, we'll, you know, as EDA, we'll accept it or decline it, then it would go to planning for it. >> Okay. Sure. And then um as the EDA,
would we also be able to recommend that the city develop that property on their own and like like do the plan MLS and sell it lots individually or um like where did
where do where does EDA draw the line on that? >> Well, I think yeah, the EDA could uh yeah, you could do that, >> right? because that's what we have a couple like I said we have a couple in Zumbroa couple of lots they're industrial um but if they thought if EDA thought we
could divide those lots up and sell them instead of selling one lot we sell two lots and then would that does that fit in our into our budget like I would imagine if we were to try to make that decision we would need some sort of budget for engineering support right
>> well I believe they pay well if we wanted to do that, >> right? If >> Yeah. Yes. We would have to pay for that. >> That would have to go to council and >> Yeah. >> So, I guess it wouldn't matter if it >> identify the upfront expenses.
>> Right. Right. Right. So, I think that would be something that if we were ever to recommend selling something or developing something that we would want to have those >> expenses upfront and and a lot of times those upfront expenses cost money to get
Stantech involved to get those quotes and stuff. Sure. >> Yeah. >> Just trying to think of >> Yeah. It's got to be quite a bit more profitable to to versus just selling whole bundle. If we're going to do it ourselves, it would it would need to look like it would make a lot of financial sense to do so.
>> Correct. Yeah. >> I apologize for being late. I I had ADA on my calendar and that's you made it 6:30. >> So, um we talked about this last month too >> about and I apologize for repeating if you talked about this, but at our last
meeting, we talked about the potential I guess for EDA if we wanted to look at it to go out for a RFP for a developer that would look at taken over that eight block or whatever
the area is or if we would sell it individually by the city. So is that still a possibility to go out with an RFQ or RFP to put it up for a developer to see what kind of response we get? >> Yeah. So the discussion right now is
making a motion to council that that EDA would be the first step. it would almost cut out um city staff um from that decision making process that those that if a developer were to come in and say,
"Hey, I want to buy this or this other city lot over here that it would get directed to Kurt and then it would come to us to make >> realtor experience that would help >> make sense proposal together to go out
and um and so we're just discussing kind of is this a is this the unique property or do we need to start planning for budgetary purposes if we're going to be looking at other um lots as well that
would come to gain would that come out of our budget would that come out of council budget >> so if we were to recommend that we develop this >> whose budget does that engineering cost come out of >> well the engineering
to justify that it would make financial sense for the city to move forward on their own. >> So, >> but that's only current experience. Would we >> that's only lots that we would choose to develop our ourselves. >> Correct.
>> Um so, like for example, if somebody comes and wants to do a lot, they would pay the engineering expenses so it wouldn't cost us as a city, >> you know? So that's kind of the way I look at it right now in the initial stages just getting a list a map of open lots like this city owned and we could
kind of look at it like okay and when so if I get contacted of a developer looking for lots I say well the EDA has this lot this lot this lot take a look at these you know and and then from that point on they would speak to us about
possibility of purchasing lot what they want to do with lot because it has to follow the you know the ordinances and the codes of the city and then it would move on after it was purchased. >> Yeah. >> I think it's just important we have make sure we have a clear story going to
council of what we want to have them approve doing us or have us approve it. >> Yep. >> Yeah. So whether it's this lot specifically and individually or if we want to try and propose all city lots right would be
>> and it gives us as a city as well get an idea of who's looking at purchasing open lots >> and on it I don't know >> so the benefit there would be that then we would have you would have a bank of lots that would be cityowned and if
somebody came in like you were saying you can say Well, the city owns all of these. Do and these 50% meet your needs. Do any of these actually? >> Yeah. And these are zoned for what you're looking for, right? Kind of plans it out for future,
you know, for future use of the city. >> But it's all it's a yeah, as an EDA, if it's something you're looking at doing as an EDA, uh it's just, you know, we would have an idea. And if it's something you're not interested to do as an EDA, that's fine as well.
But I can Yeah, from this point on, I I spoke to Jason about it and because that's what we kind of talked about last meeting is talking to Jason about it. He was fine with it. Um, so if it's something you want to move forward with, I can start moving forward and making if it's something you don't want to move
forward with, I understand that as well. So would you come to council meeting with that proposal then as Daniel or I bringing it up? >> I could. Yeah, I could. >> It' be better to have you share your experiences of marketing city own property and you've
done in the past. >> Well, the marketing we always put on this website. >> These these lots are open, you know. Uh but yeah, it's just a step, you know, in the in the process. And I wouldn't say I'm an expert on I've from what I've
done in Zambroa. It's just we've always had those lots. There's always been EDA lots and move from there. So the overall this cost will be brought up um at council I I would almost guarantee but
actually the only cost difference would be staff time. Is that about right? So staff would be saving time. So we would be saving a cost to move it here as the first step or
I mean is that yeah >> are we talking like a zero cost or are we talking like staff time is going to be the the benefit? >> I would say at this point there's I I would say zero cost but gets nervous but I don't know what cost it would be for
the EDA at this point to do this unless we develop >> the lots ourselves. Okay. >> So, you think we're going to propose x number of square feet and have the developer come back with their proposal how they would develop it?
>> Yeah, that's if they're interested. >> I don't see any I don't see any engineering requirement to put into a development. >> No, that's only if the city chose to we could also go that route. So, I guess the motion would be to move
city-owned lots to have the EDA be the first step in evaluating >> worthy candidates. I I don't know how to phrase it. >> Be the first to see. It's not that the EDA owns the lot. The
EDA, I guess, could oversee the lot. That's a good point. How would you >> responsible representative for the city of the lots? basically, you know. >> So, my my my question is because you're only on
limited staffing per week or per month. >> Yeah. >> If that would come if that took place, if someone could call you at any time and say, are those lots open or is it only the days that you would be here in the office? That's what would be my
question is that EDA would only be represent the time that he's on the clock here or is it if they called you anytime and you said well I do have I'll meet with you on >> the day that I'm there that I can talk to you about or I can't because I'm not
on the clock I I can't >> if it's after 4 or on the weekends. No, no, I I understand that was during the day, the weekday. I Yeah, I take the calls, emails, and if I >> even if you're not working here at the at that was my question. That's all and
you've answered it then. >> So that you would be on the on the clock, not on the clock, but you would be able to address your questions. >> Yeah. No, that would be a problem. That's good. Okay. >> Because I could if I'm here two hours on a day I wasn't scheduled to be here, that that's that's all right. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> That work. That could be a direction that we would move as well. So we could recommend to sell it. We could recommend to develop it. We could recommend to send out an RFP to developers to bring back ideas.
So those would all three be I I think that's what we're talking about here is that those would be the things that we would be able to >> So the meeting that you had with >> whatever the whatever the realtor was meeting
>> Todd White >> Todd >> yes Todd did Joe prepare anything for that? Uh yeah, I don't think he formally prepared anything, but he knew had all the information on the lot, >> what they would need to know as builder. So he knew that okay, hypothetically,
they want to build houses here. What do they need to do? >> Yeah. >> Was there was that >> so we could leave some of that information off what >> as far as what we >> I brought that information to meeting spoke about it >> just to minimize cost. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think we talked last meeting about a next step being asking Majestic
what what is the offer or or is he asking is he looking to us for a this is what you're asking for the land or is he going to make an offer on the land? I mean because if if if uh you know Majestic Homes buys a lot and subdivides it themselves which we have a lot of experience with that makes our
lives easier assuming that the number still you know is is satisfactory and and uh a lot less you know right >> we don't have to put forth a lot of time on the front end just to turn around and sell to the one guy that already showed interest you know >> so it's basically you EDA with your
expertise in the city of Orno if you look at it right away and think that's a good idea tell city council that, you know, so if it's something you're interested in, you know, doing, I can start making some just some list like right now, just
lists of lots in town and have an idea. >> So, what do you think we should in the proposal? We're looking at lots comparable to the existing homes around it. So we don't get ourselves into eight homes along there, but we want to make
sure they are comparable to what's across the street too. >> Follow the city plan. >> Yeah, the covenants and I think we talked about that this new subdivision inside of River Park would somebody said I think we said would not technically have adopted the River Park covenants
because it would be its own subdivision. So we just want to make sure that the new subdivision aligns with the existence of >> Absolutely. >> And you'd have ability to do that as EDA, you know, or have that lot adopt the covenant server park officially, >> right? Prior to any sale,
>> prior to any sale, we just put that in the building. So there could be some Yeah. lawyer fees, you know, for pulling together and develop. We have a template of course, but it's >> there's still architectural review committee in our neighborhood. um city
staff >> viewer of the you know Mike Joe and >> Jason >> I would say that um that would probably be the way that we want to pursue that is if we could just have
that drain field have adopted the covenants since it serviced the 80 whatever homes that are there >> I think there's pretty good argument ment that it's >> so you could do that
>> part of the the neighborhood remain >> recommend they adopt the account to city council >> you'd want to do that almost as part of a sale you would want to wait till a development agreement because that's so far into the process where that's something >> better I'm saying do it I'm saying do it
regardless of the sale or anything >> yeah like as it goes in as part of the sale make sure it's in there and then you can remind in the DD the DA but don't just wait till the DA because if you spring that on a developer in the development agreement or already how many steps into the process and that
could you I don't know what the covenants are for that >> that could screw up what they had in their mind and cause problems itself doesn't talk about size of lots >> doesn't it pretty sure it does >> some of that was just written into
that's what he sold was >> the size of homes and uh square footage of is >> square footage of the >> square footage for >> every lot in our neighborhood now is is between 75 and 1.5 acres. Does that sound right?
>> That's how it was pretty close. >> The other thing I'm going to get into though is I don't know that as a city side of things we can enforce the covenants of a development area. And we had this issue when some when one of the HOAs called me about and trying to enforce the covenants on
somebody who's building a garage that didn't fit. And I told him as long as they're following city's code, I can't enforce under guys's development covenants. That's my >> my area. And so we have to be careful as a city entity here. You know, I don't
know that we I'm thinking about I don't know how well we can actually enforce covenants on on something. If a developer meets the specifications of the city code, you know, they would create their own covenants in their building, you know,
of the development. So, it's a an area I don't know. >> That's why I'm saying to adopt that it never left River Park, that it has always been and always will be part of River Park is what I'm saying. >> Okay. I get what you're saying. Yeah. >> If the city owns the land, I would think they could do
>> I would imagine. So maybe we needed to look at the gray area on that. But what I Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that the drain field and I mean if we have to say all drain fields that service that are encompassed by a neighborhood >> Yeah. >> are part of the neighborhood and holding
to the standards of the neighborhood. I would suspect that anybody that's bringing uh you know the only reason you want to develop that is so you can make money and the only reason you want to do that is like like I feel like it's just practical here in this case somebody's not going to want to come and put a conicle in there or do something that's
going to disturb the neighborhood. They're going to want to build similar houses to the ones that are around them if they can get the lots cheap enough to make a few dollars in the process. >> This is Byron. This neighborhood's a lot like ours. >> Sure. Well, >> that's seven row homes with a lot next
to it for seven more. >> Yeah, I think I think I learned that. It appears to me that on the city owned property, you know what I said? Let's say people talk about it appears to me that it would probably beloop the city
so that it stays all the same that the city would develop the property and put the covenant on to say that the houses are going to be this or the council puts in there on the property >> um to sell it. It's got to be it's got to be standard
>> and let everybody know that right up front. Whoever wants to buy the property knows up front there are no hidden agendas. There's nothing there that says that the covenant or whatever is going to be on this property. It's my understanding over there on the other side by rea
unless it met a certain >> criteria to do that. So that's already been done across the highway >> to do that. So, in this thing right here, as I hear everybody would like to have homes built in that whole area the same to match what's there is that you
put that right out front up front and you make that >> y >> the city council whatever it's your property you say that this is what the this is what it's going to be whoever buys it and they know coming into it there are no surprises. >> That way all the neighborhood is happy
with it. The city's happy. name a company development knows exactly what they need to build and there are no otherwise it's very uncomplicated otherwise as you said you
could get up across the street like uh people's cooperative want they could build a set of roll homes in there and uh and Byron I see those over there I mean they're I don't know how they get I don't know how they get around and if you drive on Circle drive,
East Circle Drive over by the college in that little spot uh by the DNR just before the DNR wildlife area. They just put in a set of row of houses for $275,000
and the staircase is 30 in >> wide and it's three levels to go up. And that's what they built in that little it would fit right in this spot here. those same type of houses would fit right in this spot right here and they're single family.
>> Okay. Well, I think that's to me I think we see we we're controlling that to a certain extent. >> Sure. >> Right. If >> either with our city codes or >> purchase agreement roads have somewithal to match the houses. >> That's all I want is what I hear you talking about that said that it's there that you can do that to make everybody
happy. So, I would make a motion to present to council that we move um city- owned properties um to first step for EDA. And if you Kurt, if you want to come up with a good
wording for the motion >> um we can adopt that for >> but I would I would say maybe let's aim for the January meeting >> unless there's something >> December is too much. Um, yeah, unless there's something like pressing
January or February. >> Come on. You just want to pile on everything in December. >> So, how about if I make a motion that we revisit this at uh after speaking with city council, we revisited it at the uh >> We have one motion here.
>> Oh, yeah. So, >> so I'll second that move. >> Okay. Um I I would be fine amending it to say that Kurt if you'd like to write a motion that we can present to council January >> one we'll table it back to December
meeting >> or the January meeting one of those put all business >> and then we can have proper verbiage >> correct for that. Okay. If you have something for to review with us on the 22nd, that'd be great. But that's not required.
>> Good. Yeah. Great. I think I think >> yes, it should be because we'll have >> I think it's a step in the right direction for >> just curious. Adam and Ryland living over there. Is the rest of the neighborhood aware of this
>> as an option coming? >> There's >> That's a good question because Go ahead. >> Yeah. So there there's awareness that the city is looking at developing these lots or selling these lots. There's
I would say it's split whether people want it or not >> or want it to be green space or want it to be um uh homes. So I think there is awareness, people are paying attention to it and so
as long as we're moving forward with clarity um that I think that they'll be they'll they'll come and represent themselves in in the way that they want to. Does council does council want to
sell the land like like I imagine I don't remember where where it came from initially but but I imagine well >> haven't really talked about a council >> it's hard to try and do actions not have discussions but >> yeah I think with the city like does the city want to sell their land I think of
you do you or or you the city council like is there a desire to sell develop and then take that money is there a plan for the you know we make 350 or $400,000 off the river park 10 acres. Is it a year marked for? >> That's a discussion we have to have. >> Whole. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just I'm just
curious what the appetite is because And if I remember correctly, you talked about other I don't think we have a ton of land, but I feel like there was three or four lots, maybe not maybe none as developable as this, but a few different lots that were city-owned that because of the well and septic change over became, you know, why why do we own this
land or what what was that land for? Was there wasn't there a couple other spots in town or a couple other >> Oh, across from the post office by the Albo. >> Mhm. >> We own that corner lot. >> Yep. >> To the north and also one to the west too. It's a double lot. So, we have
three lots right now. >> Yeah. >> Besides the community center area, >> right? And we talked at one point in time about the the heart of this and this is a bigger picture conversation again, but the heart of the city of Oronoko. Where where's our where's our gathering space going to be in 10 or 20 years from now? It's going to be old
Oronco out here. Uh, or is it going to be up near 52 intersection with the newer development? Where where's our hangout space? And and I would think that it'd be nice to have that decision made before you make the decision of do we want to sell this land or that land or or what do we want to acquire? I'm not saying we shouldn't sell the River
Park because even as River Park guy, I feel like it's inevitable that that's going to be developed. I would much prefer it be pickle ball courts or something else. >> It's a Yeah. >> Yeah. in 30 years from now you're building houses with different materials and it would be right. So anyway, uh um
>> so part of our budget, we are looking at a it's in our budget for 2026 is do a survey of our um current facilities just where what we have >> life of that and that's in the budget to do that by Carl Anderson.
>> Yeah. that will actually >> but it's all part of going forward whether it's one to five 5 to 10 years but there is a a need to do a community building public works fire hall >> I think that's where my thought process was I didn't finish it was was you know
does the land sale proceeds go into an account to acquire other land that the city will need where else are you going to need or want to have land >> go you can go to parks we could whatever the county >> plenty yeah >> if we took a year off of raising our taxes I'm sure everybody would be happy
as a clam and a good job. You know, >> if we sell if there's eight units, you know, we'll get um each lot would war or they would collect about u to $18,000 just on warranty water and sewer assessments.
>> Sure. That's right. >> So that's $140,000. >> Yeah. >> Directly to our utility program and paying off >> sewer bill. So good. Well, what the actual property selling that hasn't been discussed or we haven't really finalized if we're going to go to 52. Jason would
love to be up in development. >> Anyway, he's not going to comment. So, anyway, that that decision has been made, but it is, you know, we stay in downtown. Yeah. >> Or you go out to some purposing some land. >> Right. Right. >> Because it would make a pretty good size space to do all that. >> Right. The city stuff.
Technically, we can't make any kind of a judgment until there's a public hearing anyway on something like this. >> Right. >> I can say that the city doesn't want to mow it anymore. >> Yeah. >> I'll tell you staff doesn't want it. We want to
>> staff doesn't want to mow it anymore. >> Pax on it as a city. >> No, it's undeveloped. So, it's probably incredibly low property taxes undeveloped. We spend we spend more maintaining it than we would on anything we pay for taxing
>> just because the amount of mowing that has to be done >> you would pay. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, so we'll we'll discuss that next month with the verbiage for the motion to go to January. >> That's the current motion on the table,
I believe. So >> is it premature to to make a separate motion or a motion to to go back to Majestic and ask them what they want to offer for the for the land there just to have a nothing else have a number to off of? >> Yeah, they haven't offered anything
>> that can be a septory with them. >> Yeah, >> let's um >> I don't know do we need even need a motion right now? No. >> So I'll withdraw my motion and we'll move on. Yeah. >> Um, so now do you want to take over or you want me to continue?
>> Was it? >> I'll continue. >> I got it. Before we make this, I'm just curious. I'm still the new guy and I have I'm very new to this. I don't know how this goes, but and and what you've seen in other EDAs and with that
neighborhood being a pretty solid um percentage of the population likely of Oronokco, like would you ever send out a letter to all the residents of that neighborhood and kind of pull and is it that am I is this that's downstream from
>> downstream? So that will have to h any kind of public hearing >> will get mailed out to the immediate addresses. I don't know what is it like 200 300 ft of the property >> 350 350 ft everybody within 350 ft of this
within the letter of that public hearing date >> codes like to say 500 but we couldn't take care of that. >> Oh okay. Yeah. So, but I think too that to answer your question is, you know, we could we could have a public information meeting now and get all these ideas out
there from dog park to green space to buildings or whatever. But the idea, I think, is to take this first approach of developing it and then have a public information meeting after that and just here's the pros and cons of doing this.
Um, dog park is it needs to be two miles away from somebody versus in the middle of the district there. So, >> yeah, be a big dog park. >> So, there I think there will be a public information meeting sometime this spring when we start getting more data that we can share with the information and get some feedback.
>> Got it. >> And we need to part of our public information. Here's what the funds could use for have an idea of what it could be. But >> yeah, that'll have to happen prior. >> Park equipment. IC markers public works. >> Yep.
>> Okay, sounds good. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, so last >> not on that one. Now we're looking at moving the December meeting. >> Sorry.
I >> if we could do the 22nd at 5:30. Would that be okay with you guys? I apologize again. >> It might be a good thing moving in >> hoping for me on the 23rd currently,
right? >> Yeah, it's still getting pretty close to Christmas. >> I'll make a motion to move it to Monday, December 22nd at 5:30. >> I'll second that. >> Oh, thank you.
>> Are you going to bring treats? >> I'll bring Christmas cookies. business. >> You want me to put it in? >> It's up to you, Kirk. >> I'll uh calendar >> 22nd at 5:30 and I will send out new
emails. Yeah. So, that'd be great. Which leads to 6C. Sorry to move forward, but are we fine as an EDA having the meetings Tuesday at 6:30? My last two months have not been the best leadup to this or last month and this coming
month, but I'm fine. Or would you rather move them >> date or time? >> This is throughout the year. So >> what's your request for to change? >> Well, right now two days at 6:30. If we could go at 5:30, if that would be that's fine with me. If you can't go at
5:30, if you go at 6:30, that's fine, too. >> I'd like to have Kathy and Jamie here. >> Yeah, Kathy's out of town. Maybe another we can uh address it in December, too. Yeah, >> go ahead and send an email out. >> Okay.
>> Ask for a consensus survey to >> get some Yeah. Get some feedback from everybody. And >> I have no problem. 5:30, 6:30, 5:30. >> 5:30 would work >> for me. Whatever. But we can wait till the next thing and >> Tuesdays are great, but it was just
these last two request for us. Want to put out a year-long calendar? All right. No, I understand that. That shows all the meeting dates. So, we get everybody's >> Yeah, I'll send an email next week. >> Okay, great.
So, I just looking at 2026. There is no fourth week in October. >> Oh, really? Well, we put it >> the first starts on a Tuesday and the 24th is the end of the There's three There's three Tuesdays. >> Okay. Tuesday.
>> The last Tuesday of October. >> We work it out. >> That's December's like that too. >> There's only three >> 31 days. >> Three Mondays, I should say. >> October. >> October of December. >> Tuesday. >> What are you talking about?
>> Next year >> in October. >> Yeah. There's a 6, 13, 20th, and 27th. >> Same with December. >> 31 days. >> 26. Yeah, I can see February is 28.
>> October leap year. >> There's four Tuesdays. >> Looks like all months have four. >> Ryland's on vacation. End of October. >> What are you looking at? >> What day is it? >> I got to scroll up a little bit. Oh,
that week. It's the >> I think >> some will work. Some will work for me at 5:30, some won't. >> This is Carl's first evening. I wonder if there's some
You're hexing me or something here again. >> Roll my calendar up here. >> Bring the bad juju. >> Nope. >> Is that the last meeting? >> That was the last meeting plan. >> Make a motion to adjurnn the meeting. >> Second.
All those in favor, >> we just vote on ah >> No, we're going to send a survey up. That's right. >> Okay. >> I My motion stands. >> Yes. All those in favor signify by saying I >> thanks guys. >> Thanks.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. These are the RP and the to me. >> Text and they shove