--------- All right. And it still says two participants, it looks like. >> All right. All right. Well, welcome everybody. Um, this is our March 2026 parks and trails meeting. So, I'm excited to have all of you here. This is
wonderful. Uh, Jeff Magnus is our new mouse controller for the Zoom. We've got Justin Black, Marie Ricefer. Okay. Lance Sorenson. Um Katie Dudley, Kevin McDermott, Joy Bzinger. Lee, is it Lee
Berg? >> Lee Bergam. Okay. And then we have Jason Baker. And how do you say your name again? >> Johan Senberg. >> Johan Sonnenberg. Lovely to meet you, Johan. All right. And you're our fire chief. >> Yes, sir.
>> Or no. Okay. All right. So, what's that? officially called order. >> I've now called the meeting to order. All those in favor say I. I don't know. Are we doing that? >> I like it. Okay.
So, um Ryland is absent today and Dawn is on her way. Um >> I'm I'm listening. >> Okay. Fantastic. Oh, yeah. This is true. All right. Um, I would like and Marie, I think I need
your help with this a little bit. Um, what all needs to be added? Um, Johan is here for prescribed burn. Is that on here? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. First, look at that, Johan. >> Even better. >> All right. And then
I added I think Mel sent out um the proposal for the trail paving. I know it's on here, but I wrote up kind of a a proposal to bring that forward. The only other thing that I didn't see on here was and maybe we added to old business
or bring it to another meeting, but thinking about 2026 goals um and reviewing them and making sure that they're accurate because again we want to make sure that we're doing some of the things that we've thought we would do. Um so maybe it is a good discussion. Um I know we created them last year.
Some of them may carry over. We may have different ones, but really having at least a year plan and even looking at the 3510 year um ones as well. And those probably aren't as immediate need, but really the 2026 we should look at.
So that would be a new ad maybe under old business >> and and you do have access to that in your emails. Um my printer was not cooperating with me. I don't know, Joy, were you able to print off the goals >> that Marie sent? >> Yes,
>> I did. I was able to print them off. I >> I also printed off an email I sent previously to Marie. So, >> okay. >> Do you want goals or was something else on? >> Do you want them a copy?
>> Anybody need a copy of the goals? >> I was going to bring them up on the computer, but I didn't care what picture. Is that that chart? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. You got two pages on one or something? >> No. >> Awesome. I'll take whatever you have
there, Joy. Thank you. >> I think the only other thing And Don, I I don't know. Were you able to get those park signs ordered >> for? >> Um, no, not Chad. I I want to select them and then I my my um I am being
delayed on that, but I figure they signs can't be put in the ground until it's stalled, I think. Anyway, but yes, I am working on that. >> We should >> Yeah. What's that? >> If you need help, we should probably get them ordered because we could still bookmark them out of the 2025 budget since that was approved 2025.
>> I don't know when they want to. >> Okay, thank you. Thanks for the deadline. Yeah. >> When did they want to close? >> Yeah, as soon as possible. >> Did you actually send the agenda because
I don't see We still found this out. >> And truth perks and trees. >> To whom do I send them, please? >> Well, if you find Don, if you find the signs that you want, you can either send them to me or send them to
Jason or Mel or Rachel and we can get them ordered. But just tell us which ones you want. >> And and who I'm sorry, who is speaking? I'm sorry. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We We can get two two of them and they need to be under 50 a sign, which I
think the ones we were looking at were like 20 bucks. >> Yep. Okay. >> And if you don't have time, I'm happy to find some, too. >> Nope. It's I just put it off. I just I I usually work with deadlines, and I don't do well without one. So, this is a
deadline. I should have it to you by tomorrow. Okay. trails at 4:00. Um, I did also want to add an old business. I saw I I admitted to not reading the emails, but seeing the beautiful titles about benches. So, you
have things we can discuss about benches under old business, right? Sound good? Little place to put it. >> Um, I have >> Yes. just a short statement about the park bench placement if I could just add that under old business.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. >> All right. Um All right. I make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second it. >> All right. All those in favor say I.
>> I. >> Oppos. Same sign. All right. carries. >> Okay. Um, let's see here. Do you need the polls? >> So, is there one page?
>> It's only one page from back. I print out five copies. I fig I don't need >> Did you get one? Did >> you have it? Okay. You want one, Le? He
said he had one about. >> Okay. Dustin, >> yes. >> Was kind enough to get our minutes to us and I tried sending them I didn't mean to send them at 10:44 last
night. I meant to, you know, schedule send them at 8:00 am today, but um did you guys get to see those? Do you have any comments or do you want me to read them or anything or where we at with that? >> I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, M. Okay. So, um we do have um a visitor here. We
have Johan, our fire chief is here to discuss prescribed burns planned for this spring. Um, Adam, it was Adam Braise, right? Presented information to the committee last year. And so the goal
is to get this to happen this year. >> Fantastic. Look at that. >> You even have a nice shield up on the top right. >> That's our That's our Yeah. So, you guys don't know me. I'm Johan Senberg. I've been on the fire department here for uh
five years. And prior to that, I was on a Hayfield Fire. Um, so I've been doing this a little bit. Um, prior to being fire chief, I was training officer for both fire department and first responders. So this this December or January one, I guess I took over um, as
fire chief. So um, you guys met Adam. Adam is actually now the director of the EOC, right? Our emergency operations center. Um, so him and I discussed before we went put this together today. Make sure that we were on the same page. Um, so just a just real quick, we'll
just we'll just run through this. The big nice picture on the back that Adam drew for us, um, is where we're going to be doing the burn. Um, so it's it's west of Sunny View Lane, right? So on the southwest side of town. In red is where
we're going to be doing doing the burn. And the green is where, you know, like we have the trees and kind of, you know, it's kind of like a little valley in there. So, we're going to try to save as many trees as we can. Um, so couple things. Um, our ideal conditions when we do this, we want
we're looking for little to no wind, right? And and and if we were to have a wind, it would be great if it was coming from the north or the northnortheast. Um, so it doesn't blow into people's houses, windows, you know. Um, and what we do when we when we do a
burn, we burn against the wind, right? Okay. So, if the wind's coming from the north, we're starting at the south. They're trying to go north, right? So, it's backwards. Um hopefully we don't we we would like no rain four to seven days in advance, so things are dry. Um we're hoping to do this on a
Saturday. Um sometimes we we we've in the past we've done a few burns and we've had to stop and then start again, stop and start again, just kind of depending on the weather. We even had one that we had to just abort and then do it, I don't know, two weeks later.
So, what we're hoping to do, what I didn't put in here, but what I'm hoping to do is I'm hoping when we do our communication is here's our primary day that we're going to do this and here's our backup day. Um, just because weather, right? Um,
so I'm working with the DNR. Um, the DNR is in charge of these kinds of burns as well as if we wanted to burn a house, they're actually in charge of that, too. Um, so I've got a DNR contact working with him. Um, then on the day of the burn, um, fire
will reach out to county dispatch and let them know that we're burning. So when they get phone calls, there's a huge fire in Oronoko. Um, it's us. So parks and trails, city of Oronoko and OFD, will we need to communicate to the residents what's going on, right? Our
socials and other means, whatever we whatever you guys want to do. I'm up for and I'm up right over. Um, you know, and things, you know, that expect, right? Smoke seen from a ways away, potential for smoke to blow into your yard, into your windows, smell smoke in and around
the area, firefighters, fire trucks in the park, on the roads, right? Um, also, believe it or not, um, potential for rust colored water coming out of your faucets, right? We suck a lot of water out of the main. That's potential. So,
happens. Um, coordinate with neighbors of the park to share the plan where the trucks will be placed as well as hose lines. So, we might we might be asking some some of our neighbors if we can run some hose lines through the yards. Um, we wouldn't be running trucks or anything through the yards, just some one and a half inch
hose line running through it. Um, cost, everybody likes that that's free, quote free. Um, this comes out of my training budget. Um, so things like this, it's great for training for us. Um, so there's no there's no extra cost for
that. One big thing I I am a big proponent of and I even have a safety officer that's on the fire department, um, is safety. Um, so we'll have at least 12 or more firefighters. Right now we have 24. Um, and we have three explorers as well, so
they'll be with us. Um we're going to have five five of our six trucks are going to be on scene. Um so engine two water source command um it's got a thousand gallons. We're going to stage that right at the end like culde-sac
view lane right there as close as we get. We'll be running some hose lines off of that too. Taker one is going to be our water source source with 2,000 gallons. It's going to be by the fire hydrant. If you look there's a blue dot on your map. That's the fire hydrant. So,
um, tanker two will be staged behind engine two, ready to help, um, and or bring more water. Um, brush one and brush two. So, brush one's a F350 pickup. That's going to be with 300 gallons of water on it and two hose lines coming off of it with a with a
pump obviously on it. That'll be roaming around making sure that things aren't going to go too fast. Um, something's not going to burn that you don't want it to burn. Um, brush two is the same. Brush two is a a side by side um that
has 70 gallons of water and so um again all apparatus sign of water on board two rig brush one and two are designed for this and you saw where the hydrant was. Um, I'm going to ask I'm going to work with Kane um with public
works to see if we can get some mowing done like like really mow it down real tight um around the trees around things that we don't where we want it to stop. And then next item is we'll wet down that same area before we start.
>> Right. Wet line ahead of the torch. >> Yeah. What's that? >> Wet line ahead of the drip torch. >> Yeah, we'll Yep. We'll wet it We'll wet it down before Yep. Yep. Um, and I I always say the potential to do this in sections for manageability and depending, right? Maybe it's a really nice Saturday morning and all of a
sudden their PPE and have special masks to assist with they have special masks to assist with outdoor fires. Um, we also use I was thought about bringing them just so you can see what things we we get to play with. I mean use. Um, >> I heard that. >> So we're going to have we'll have drip
torches out there. So, that's like a it's like a 50-50 gas diesel mix um that we'll use to, you know, start the fire kind of in lines, different lines that we'll do it in. Um, and then our other hand tools, brooms, waters, shovels, fire rakes, we have backpacks that have
five gallons of water and the younger guys can wear can wear those. Um, so, yep, that's that's going to be that's going to be our plan. Um the the nice thing about about this is um it's kind of twofold, right? We're
getting rid of all that fuel load that's there. I mean, that stuff is really thick and some of that is like taller than me when it gets going. Um so safer for us. Adam said he put on his EOC hat today and said, "Make sure you tell the
parks and trails group that this is a this is a hazard." >> I think they know. Yeah. To leave it there. I think they don't know, but I'll tell them. So, yeah, >> we have some good flame lights. >> We'll have good flame lengths with even with a back burn. >> We will. We will. Yeah, it's pretty
thick. Questions you guys, >> you've done a burn this large before. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Um, we've done some in the township. We're actually going to do another one for uh for sergeants. They've got three or four acres that we're going to burn for them. Um when I
was on Hayfield Fire, we did very large birds. So pretty pretty standard. This is a small death. >> So you said by sergeants or for sergeants somewhere? >> Four sergeants. They're they're they have a they have a restoration prairie that
>> over on or somewhere else. >> Oh, okay. >> Well, I know we have ideal conditions that we're looking for, but just to get I mean you can't plan anything and we want to get it kind of earlier in the spring. Do we have like a window of time like a week window like that we can tell the community in the area? Hey, just let
you know. >> That's what I'm hoping. That's what I'm hoping. So, I'm thinking depends on again it depends on snowfall, right? It depends on what are we going to have a wet spring or we going to do dry spring? I don't know. So, um I would say within a month we're going probably want to be out there doing it.
>> Okay. because I because I want to do it before it starts greening up because then it's just >> so prior to like before midappril before April in general is pretty much what we should be telling people. >> That's what I'm hoping. We'll see. I mean it depends. >> Depends. I know. I know. Ideal conditions is the number one thing, but
we don't want to push this out into May. >> I don't really want to be doing this in May. >> Cool. So, yeah. As we think about this from a safety perspective, is there other um areas that we should be considering
doing this to keep the brush at bay and or both? >> A lot of parks. >> All of them. >> I honestly I'm a pandemic, so we have a lot of parks. Um but yeah, it would be it would be good. And again, my DNR
contact, I think his name is Tyler. Um he'll walk through it with me. Like I'll be like, "Hey, just like you walked through this with me." I'll be like, "Hey, we got another park. Let's go look at it." And he'll come to walk through it. >> I think he's walked through a couple possibly. I don't know if he told you
that or not. That's >> Yeah. And I'm I'm But along the river and part of it is a is a restoration area for the riparian >> um project. And so I don't know what what their plans are with some of that
too, but that's a big field. Um, how are you contacting the land owners? Is it gonna actually be an actual go to the door or is it an email or what's the plan? >> So, you guys planning? >> I don't I don't know. Um, my hope is I mean, we'll put on all our socials and I'll work with Mel at the city to put it
on their socials, too. Um, if it takes sending out letters to people on Sunny View Lane, people on Riverwood, not Court, Riverwood Lane, whatever that is. >> Shady Oaklane, I think. >> Shady Oaklane. Yeah. So, >> Jane and then the Valley View or
something, but like I mean, not like I'm going to nominate Adam to go talk to his neighbors, but >> and you know, some of us are in those neighborhoods, too. If you want to like have a little canvas, I don't know. >> We can put we can put our hands. >> There's a HOA email
>> for that area. >> Oh, yeah. Send it out there, too. >> And Adam's probably on that. >> Yeah, he has that email actually that we could send it there. That would get everybody even behind there. >> Yeah, that would be good. >> That'd be perfect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. As much as as much
information as we can get out there as many people. >> I think you I think you start the communication now and let them know like here's our ideal conditions. We'll let you know when it gets closer, but just so that it's not a shock or if they have questions, it gives them a little time
to ask some of those things too. >> Yeah. And those questions can I mean I can answer the questions too if people have questions on safety or whatever you know I'm okay giving out my email or that's fine. So >> I would say most of the questions are
probably going to be safety related than >> the grass concern. >> Yeah. >> How close is this to my house? >> Yeah. >> Smoke is the biggest issue for you >> with wind directions and you know plans
for that. Yep. Yep. So that's why that's why we're Oh, so that's why we'll have two days. >> So, and on a Saturday, >> it is hard out there. It always seems like it's windy out there, though. So, >> we'll have to We'll have to see.
>> Yeah, with a back burn though, you can you can have up to 10 mph winds. >> Yeah, you you can. And you know >> it's not but it's not ideal but I >> I used to do a lot of burning with Dod. >> Okay. >> So I've been there.
>> Yeah. I mean it can be done. So you know we when I was at Afield we did we did burns for Byron the Byron fire over at the what's the >> Yeah. Oxbow. Yeah. At Oxbow. And >> it it got really hot. That was the first
time I saw my my first uh fire tornado. So, um, yeah, it got hot. Uh, so I don't want that to happen here, right? >> Don't put that on your communication. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dark tornado is fine. Tire fire tornadoes, not fine. Yeah. >> Oh, I love it.
>> Other questions? >> Yeah. Well, I appreciate you taking your time to come and visit with us. I believe what we do from here is we we just remind >> notify >> city council. >> Yeah. >> That that you visited us and that we agree with the plan. And um we'll do
anything that you need us, you know, to help you get the word out and what have you. >> Great. And I'll start communication with with Mel. And >> is this hingent on like the DNR at all? Like >> I it would be, but I've already talked
to him and he's like there's no >> So it's this is tiny compared to what they get to >> I I just didn't know. I know there was a permit or something that we had to >> so >> all good there. Okay,
>> sounds good. Thank you all. >> I don't we need to make a motion. >> I think we should vote on it and we can just send it to the city council for awareness. >> All right, Joy, do you want to make the motion? Say your name in the motion list. No, that's not right to to call out someone to make
a motion. Do we have any discussion that you guys would like to talk about further on this? How's that? That better >> discussions after that. Okay. >> All right. I make a motion to accept
this plan. >> You a book five years ago. >> Um 10. Okay. Um we'll talk about that. So, I make a motion that um we approve the plan that um the fire department put
together and and ask city council or it's more what's it going to be for city council? >> I think it's just awareness >> awareness. Okay, >> I'll second that. >> All right. Uh any further discussion?
I think the only other discussion is to make sure that we're doing proactive communication just because of there's a lot of houses around there. Um, just so that they can have time to ask questions or prepare if they want to, you know, make sure pets and kids are in the house >> or keeping, you know, keeping kids out
of the park down there. Um, >> car window shut. >> Yeah. So, we we'll just need to make sure that we're doing it now and as it gets closer. >> We have someone that we can put on point to get that HOA email sent out to that area.
>> Should have it. Um, >> do we have anyone that can contact that? >> Yeah, I can talk to Johan and Adam. >> He's across the street from Pretty Easy. But she'll probably communicate via
email. You know, it's how we all do. >> But um yeah, I would imagine our HOA isn't super active, but they send out emails now and then about stuff. So, all right. Fantastic. >> At least they have everybody's email. So,
>> yeah. Okay. >> Thank you, Murray. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> Thank you, Don. All right. Motion carries. We'll get that. So, that's a city council thing.
Um All right. Please see. Okay. The next that we have here is just a little reminder of our parks and trails budget for 2026.
Um right now we have uh 2,000 for parks and trails. Um, and 100 for supplies. What does that what does that mean, Marie? >> That is just that count number. So, there's 2,000 for parks and trails. >> Okay. And that's what we've used for for plants.
>> Yep. We can use that for plants or if we want to >> buy a pickle ball net or whatever that looks like. We don't have to go through city council. We have a little bit of funds that we can use for discretionary things. But yeah, that those could be used for planters.
Well, um I was talking to Don. Um the signs that we wanted to get, those come out of 2025 budget, so those won't hit the 2000. So, >> fantastic. Okay. All right. Are we good to move on from
that? I >> think so. >> Okay. So, our CIP funding is the 65,000 has been approved for trail paving. Uh we will need to determine whether to reserve these funds until we have sufficient resources to complete all paths, obtain cost estimates for
Riverwood Hills, or proceed with paving at Orinopal Park using the available funds. And I believe Marie, you had a really good um you had an update on that, right? >> Yep. So I put together a recommendation. Um I know Steve's not here. Um but I did
send him a note a little bit because I know we were trying to figure out what we should do with those. I know we have the paving of um Orno Park versus the Riverwood Hills paving. And so I asked Steve um a little bit more about what is
the Lions Club willing to um donate for Oronokco Park and he said that there could be some funds to help with paving. Um, so again, I think with that in mind, my recommendation is that we get some bids for Orno Park, assuming that Lions
Club would donate some of the proceeds to that and then pave the number two in Riverwood Hills. That is where it goes by the actual park and it connects to already paved pass. And then next year, the recommendation would be
to ask city council for another 65,000 to pave that that last half of that trail. That one, I think, would be beneficial for residents to see that we're actually serious about paving that path and what their taxpayer money is
going towards. Plus, it also does connect nicely um to use that that park and it connects to already paved. I know we'd like to do it all at once. Also, just want to make it aware that there's no guarantee that we'll get those funds
in in 2027. We can continue to ask, but it might be cut. So, my my recommendation is that we go forward and get some estimates for Orno Park and then that um second half of the the trail, assuming that we can get it under close
to 6,500 with the contributions from Lions Club. And in the meantime, we can also maybe check if we're if we show say a granting source that we're serious about it and that we found a way to pay part of the
trail, we could use that maybe in our language that we put into a grant asking for funds. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay. So, do we need to make a motion to request having Novo Park
and RH2 considered? >> Yep. We'll need to get >> this year. We need to get it um assessed. So, we need to do some requests um to get some bids on it. >> And is that to go through council? I don't know. No, I don't think so.
>> No, not >> it's our CIP money and it's just bids right now. I think once we go with who we select and we know the actual price then that would go through city council but it doesn't cost anything to get bids
>> and then that's what um >> who does bid? >> We work with Stantech. So, so Joe would help. >> Yeah, >> he did some assessments of like what it would all cost with some of those. Um, but I think that's already went through
city council. So, I think we can get some bids on it. And then once we know exactly what it's going to cost, then it can go back to make sure that we can get approval for use of those CIP funds. >> Okay. >> All right. So, does that mean we can go
on the next thing? I think we can vote on it. Oh, I think you can vote on it. Okay, there. You look like you're thinking hard. >> I'm thinking hard. I can't make a motion right now. I'm thinking of some numbers. >> I would like to make a motion.
Good. I would like to make a motion that we request Stanic to put out bids for project number two, which is um paving uh Brewood Hills Trail that from Sunny
View Lane to be past the actual playground to where it's already paved and also for the paving project at Oro. in Oak Park. >> I'll second that. >> All right. Thank you, Lee. Um, any Okay.
You want me to take discussion? Any more discussion? >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. You. >> Done. All right. Motion carries. All right. So, we'll get that moving along.
Okay. Um, Marie, do we have an I don't know if we have another email about the lions, but we >> um we do not. And so, I've been working with Mike Clarity, who is the city attorney.
>> Um, one we Ryland talked to Pine Island about kind of their contract with their park and so they actually have a naming agreement with with the Lions Club. So, we want to make sure we have that in place. The other thing that we were talking a little bit about is in that
contract, I know we talked about it here, but making sure that we had like a a term on that. So, they have three years on theirs. Um, so every three years that contract's brought back up and approved and then in their contract they have to
um either donate $5,000 or um acts of service for that that park. So they have a $5,000 threshold. So that could be a bench, a table, new equipment, whatever, or time spent cleaning up the park or doing something. And so that's part of
their annual. So 5,000 a year. Um, I don't know if we want to keep that 5,000 or we can drop it down, but that's what Pine Island has. So, I think those would be things that we would need to consider. Um, I shared some of that with Steve. I haven't heard back from him.
Um, but like the naming agreement will be pretty standard. Um, the only difference would be that three-year term and then what we'd want to say is our dollar threshold that they would need to contribute every year, which I think
they'd go over anyway, but just having that in writing it would help make sure that we're holding them accountable to keeping that perk up today. So, >> nice. So, I don't know if there's if you guys
feel strongly we can copy what Pine Island has or we can think about it differently. Again, the 5,000 would be if they want to donate to paving some of that park, right? That would be, you know, 5,000 to help with paving or other things that they'd want to do, too. So,
again, we could think about looping that in to some of the paving work, too. So, it doesn't seem like we're hitting them all different ways for financial assistance in that park, too. So, So, is there still more things that need to happen before it goes to council?
>> We would have to um we'll have to get them to sign and look at the contract. We would need from a parks perspective to outline what that dollar threshold would look like. And then I think we're going to need Steve to come back and actually give us that proposal. >> Okay.
>> I'm happy to do it, but I can't speak for the Lions Club. So, I think we'll have to have him come back or someone come back with all the information and then us bless it before it actually goes to city council. >> We have to get an actual draft of pie in so we can look at that first. I actually
have something to recommend. >> We have one. Yep. So, they Yep. Yep. So, Mike um is actually it's pretty standard. He would just need to know how much we want in that price point. Um, and then he did need to get like some of the Lions Club tax donation numbers and
things like that, which I know Steve can get, but it's a pretty standard contract. I think what he wanted to know is our term limit, and I said we talked about three. Um, but we would need to know that price threshold. >> So, that would be a decision that we would want to make.
In >> the original one we talked about uh allowing Alliance Club to use the park >> or no is that in does the Pine Island one have something to that effect? >> They do. They do let them use it on
their on in the summer months and um I think Ryland said they don't charge them either. That's not part of the naming agreement contract. That would be like the proposal that would actually go to the council. So that's in there that they would have. I don't know when they
meet like the first Wednesday or Tuesday of the month or whatever, but they could use that park for no cost. That was in there, but we can always bring that back and talk about it. I think what we would need to do if if I was the Lions Club, I
would say, here's that naming agreement, right? Three-year term. We want you to at least spend $5,000 in that park or spend manh hours maintaining it. you sign that. Here's the other contract that gets into like what the name is, them using it, that the city still
maintains it. It It's still the city property. Um, they're going to help with it. So, they would bring back almost like their proposal plus the actual like naming of it being changed >> and then we the fireworks allowing them
to use that for no charge. That would be in that contract. the second contract >> that wasn't in there, but we could think about it or if that's separate. I don't I mean, I don't want to give them just open free reign to do anything they want at that park, too. So, maybe that's outside of it or we can include it. I
don't know. >> I I think in all fairness, it would be a good good thing to allow them to use the park for no charge. As long as they have insurance, they're paying for the fireworks for the community.
It seems to me it would not be fair to charge them to use the park. >> The only reason I wouldn't lump it into that contract is I think we'd want to make sure that they have their insurance up to date. So like if they just got a pass every year, I don't know if we
would ask those questions. So maybe we handle that like separately >> case by case basis. >> And I don't know if they I mean if they don't have enough money, I don't know if they'd do do it. I mean, I think people would miss it like they did, but I wonder if we don't lump that in for some of those reasons to make sure that we
have Kane involved, that their license is up to date, their insurance is up to date, >> then we just bring it back this way and say we're not going to charge them that park fee and take it up through council that Okay. Well, I know that the fire the the the I forgot his name right
right now, but the gentleman that does the fireworks, he's got all the insurance for that that that >> that >> Yeah. >> show. >> I don't know. Do they have to annually do that though >> or is that like once they have it the insurance? I don't know if they have to
renew it or >> I think he's renews the insurance. I'm not sure. I do I do know that he knows that he's got to have the they got to have insurance. They can't they can't fire off fireworks without it. >> Yeah. >> So, >> my concern is if we don't put this in
the contract >> and we get a new council and the new council says we're not going to we're not going to >> Yeah. >> We're still going to charge that. Why should we? >> We don't want to set a precedent. So, I think in all fairness, it should
be something in there that says if they do proceed with having fireworks, they pay for the fireworks, they have insurance. >> Yep. >> License. >> A license. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What What are they called? >> Well, the the gentleman
>> Yeah. The gentleman that that does it, he's got >> they've got to have their insurance. They've got to have their uh wrote >> by license, everything. They got to have that through the >> I think that's through the through this state. So, I think you could do that in two though.
>> I think you could have an agreement that here's your park, >> whatever we're calling adoption plan contract >> and here's your Lions Club contract. >> I think you should keep them as two different entities all together. But you can put that in there, but it should be a separate one altogether cuz
>> yeah, >> we could even reference it in that larger that it would be a no cost. However, they would still need to bring it forward to make sure insurance and all of the licenses are up to date and there's an awareness and a decision >> have overlapping.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Does does the Lions Club have a priority for using the park then or is that how does that I mean it's still private parties could still contact the city and and lease or you rent the pavilion and
use. >> Yeah, they would have they would have priority over whatever their meeting nights would be. It's like a Wednesday. So again, it probably's not going to really I mean, they could go down there and it's not going to really impact them, but if they wanted to use it for a
cookout on a Saturday, they'd still have to work through the city to reserve it. That they'd have to pay. >> Okay. >> They'd have to do a gathering permit for that. So, they don't get access to use it whenever they want. >> Okay. >> It would just be for their meetings and it's like a Tuesday or Wednesday night.
>> Is there anything about the bathroom situation that >> No, it's messy. Well, we we talked about that. Again, I think I think that's something we need to think about if we keep that facility. >> Seems like it's a grant needing a place
to >> tear it down and do something different, use some of the historic zones differently. Again, I think that's something as as we get them as as we get the Lions Club to not own this park, but
be more a a contributing factor. I think that's where we we should spend some time with them and say long-term plan. What do we want this park to look like? What do we want the bathroom situation to look like? What do we want? I mean, they were even talking about I know Steve was like, "It'd be really cool to
have an amphitheater down there and do music at the park." Like, yeah, that would be really cool. >> Yeah, >> but like pay for that, right? Um if you got that much money, sure, go for it. Um but again like drawing out the plan of okay in 10 years maybe we can build an
amphi amphitheater and it would go here, right? So we're not paving trails to know where that's not going to be there anymore, but having kind of a longterm plan. So I think that's something as it gets nicer out that we actually go down there and walk with them and say >> do you like do you like the bathroom
situation? Do we want to think about that's a 5 10 year plan that we would restore it or tear it down or we would want something different where you know is the park situated rightly. I mean I think just having some time to think about where we would lay things out
that would also help with budget when they might not have enough like bringing that back through city council to say we really want to redo the bathrooms down there or whatever. I know that's on Kane's radar too. But yeah, I think that's another thing
we need to think about. But um we probably need some time down there when it's nice with them and even maybe with Joe from an engineering perspective to say here's our big long-term plan. Like what would it look like? What would we
need? What's like a staged kind of plan to get us there? We're not going to be able to fund it all, but here's the plans. Here's things we'd like. Does it make sense or not? Um, the other thing, and you know, I know we'll talk about goals, but I know
we have other things that we want to do. We don't have to put it all down there. May make sense, may might not. I mean, I think spreading some of those to other parks would be beneficial, too. So, I don't know about an amphitheater, but
you never know. Yeah. >> Probably other things higher priority than amphitheater. >> Yeah. On the topic of naming, something I noticed in Pine Island is that they have the naming rights. They have a big sign,
but it says Lions Club Pavilion at Trail Head Park. So, they haven't renamed the park, they've renamed the pavilion. So, is that something like that that we've considered doing with the Lions Club here and we can have Lions Club Pavilion
at Ourono Park or do they really are they kind of insistent as we want Lions Club at or Lions Club or Noco Park? >> Again, I don't know the name. I think Steve would probably need to weigh in on that. I think what I heard from them is
they'd like it to be called Ornoo Lions Club or Lions Park or something. something to that effect. Okay. >> But I don't know if that's a negotiable item or if that's a dealbreaker. I don't know. >> Okay.
>> Well, we can't do anything until we see more proposals from Steve. >> Yep. I think what we could decide tonight is what we want as that either donations or act of service contributions every year. I think we could make that because then we can have Mike drop the actual naming. um
agreement and then they can just that that name and other things. Um and then that final proposal they can we can work on making some edits but again I think that's where Steve would need to bring that back as a proposal. >> I have a question um for the donations
or service hours. I think it probably should be spelled out whether that's only for that park or for any park. >> It would just be for that park. Okay. >> And that's how Pine Island has it, too.
It would only if they want to help in other parks that that would be great, but it's really only for that park. >> Okay. >> So, I think of being fair and consistent, I would vote, my motion would be that we mimic exactly what Pine
Island has. So, it'd be a three-year contract and 5,000 per year. That could be a financial donation and or um acts of service hours to get us there. Um and then we would um request that the Lions
Club actually bring that actual both of those kind of formal proposals back here to be finally endorsed before it goes to city council. I would second that as somebody already did. My question would be,
you don't give specifics on hours. How are you going to determine $5,000 and equates to how many hours? >> Are volunteer hours build at minimum wage? I don't know. >> I can ask Mike how they would do that. I
don't know. There's got to be some equation. the um the volunteer hours are can be looked up. There's a standardized number for like general volunteer or professional volunteer, you know, if they're doing a professional service like engineering. Uh and I think it's
available on the web under like, you know, web uh excuse me, standards for volunteers. >> Says typically cost $1 to8. Oh, no, that's the template. Sorry. When I was doing this for um the Rochester parks about 10 years ago, I believe the the
non the excuse me, the non-professional volunteer, you know, the person just picking up trash or, you know, just doing something that's not considered a specific uh skill, I believe, was like $20 an hour, and I'm sure it's gone up since then.
>> Yeah. Here it's saying for a federal volunteer it's 3479 per hour. Well, I don't think this would be a federal volunteer unless it's a federal standard, >> right? Okay.
I can ask Mike. He would know what that looked like or we can ask the HR >> attorney. They had 20 $20 an hour. I just did a multiplication, but 16 members, that's 15 hours per member a year to get to your 5,000.
So, it's not difficult to do it that way. >> And it could be an andor, right? They do a bench and they go and throw it towards it. >> Yep. Go help pick up sticks or whatever. They pick up garbage or Yep.
>> I like I like modeling my since we don't have any. I dream it up on our own. Let's just use theirs and if we want to tweak it, then we'll tweak it. >> Three years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> One thing I'd like to see down there is
a brand new flag pole and a new flag at the entrance where it says right now it's pretty rough pole and pretty rough. I think they finally changed the flag out this year or last year. Yeah. It's just one of
>> you like the flag closer to the entrance or No, >> I mean it's probably fine where it's at. It just needs a new a new high. I mean it's But that's just >> Well, they like flags alliance fund this.
>> Again, I think that's where we could have a conversation if they're not willing to do it. We still have 2,000 discretionary funds that we could do that too. I don't know how much they cost, but >> Okay. Um there was a motion made to um
do the three-year contract and the 5,000 donation hours or money. Um all those in favor say I. >> Oppos. >> Okay. So the motion carries and at this time we need to have our city attorney
help drop paperwork and >> things like that. So we're at that spot. Okay. All right. Are we ready to move on to the Memorial Park baseball field reservation request? All right.
So, um, you did send this out. It's quite a lot. Um, but it it's pretty good. Um, but I could just read through it quick so we can see what your thoughts are on it. Um, so a request has been made to the Parks and Trails
Committee to allow the Pine Island Baseball Association to reserve the baseball field at Memorial Park for the spring 2026 baseball season for youth practices. And let's see, I'm just That's the same thing. Um, the request includes
reserving specific dates for practices. Currently, the city of Oruronokco does not have an established reservation process or fee schedule for use of the baseball field at Memorial Park. Um, Pine Island Baseball Association has indicated its organizational insurance
will provide coverage during scheduled use contingent upon receiving reservation confirmation from the city. the 9u team, so that means uh players under 9 years old, currently has seven registered players, all from Oronokco.
Um, Pine Island has indicated a willingness to coordinate scheduling around existing park programming, including the Oronoko T-ball program, which typically utilizes the field on Tuesday evenings during the summer season. And I would say that's really
just the month of of June. >> Yep. They start June 2nd. >> Uh this request go ahead. >> I was going to say it's June 2nd and it runs all the Tuesdays in June. So June 2nd through the 30th is Tball.
>> Uh this request presents an opportunity to both address immediate seasonal use and consider whether a more formalized reservation framework should be established moving forward. A seasonal use agreement um would be developing a written seasonal agreement that outlines
approved dates and time of use, insurance and liability requirements, field preparation and maintenance expectations if applicable. Recommendation for city staff to wave fees or create a fee schedule for reservations if applicable. And then
this option would provide structure and clarity for both the city and um Pine Island Baseball Association and may serve as a model for future yield reservation. So the act action requested is for the parks and trails committee to
provide a recommendation to city council regarding endorsement of Pine Island's use of the memorial park baseball field for the spring of 2026 season. if a fee structure or maintenance partnership would be recommended to be created by
oro staff and council and then whether to establish a formal reservation policy future use of the baseball field. And I would like to preface that um Daniel Spring is the coach that requested
um for the 9U team to be able to come here and he would have made it here tonight but he had Cub Scouts tonight. So that's how that goes. So, um, what are our thoughts on that? At this time, we don't have a fee schedule. Does anyone think that we
should have a a fee schedule? Has Has Kane said anything or anyone else say anything? >> Nope. I think we could I mean, I think we have a couple of different options. If we wanted to assess a fee for this, we could either use a gathering permit,
which is $50 a time. So, that'd be a hundred bucks a week for them. Um, that would be one option. The other option that Daniel and I talked a little bit about is maybe it's a seasonal fee. Um, because they are going to have rain
rain outs. And so, um, if we do per week, you know, do we reimburse them if they don't use it or it rains or they are traveling versus using it or do we just do a seasonal number? Um, they do need um, it's in that second bullet.
they actually need a reservation confirmation to ensure that their their insurance covers it. So without that reservation confirmation, um we would have to have city coverage and or it would be personal liability. Um so that is a must for them. But
again, we don't need to have a fee schedule to get a confirmation. Um but if we feel like um that would be something we're looking for, I think that would be an option. I think the other thing that Danielle, Kate, and I talked about is they would
be willing to even maintain that field. So, fill in gopher holes, help with getting the pitching mound to where they want it, doing replacement of some of the um >> bases. I was going to say plates, but yeah, bases. I mean, so they could even
we could even say again, you can use it if you maintain it, you help fill in, you do some of the maintenance around there, or we can have a a hybrid approach of we're going to give you a discounted rate, we ask that you maintain it. Um, I think we have a
couple of different options um there, too. I know Daniel wasn't super keen on 50 bucks every time because again, if it rains out, >> how do we do that? That seems what T-ball pay. Do they pay anything for the use of the field?
>> No. >> I think they're willing to maintain it. >> Yeah, they're going to maintain it. I'm sure that they're going to maintain it to a degree that they're that's like and all this stuff. >> The city crew is probably going to have to do the raking of the
>> They actually I think Daniel said they actually have a rake that he would be willing to bring and >> do. Kane would just still need they'd still need to do the mowing. >> No. >> Um it doesn't need to change our decision and I don't know how much but
Danielle indicated that Pine Island would have funds for this. So I also want us to be like if there's funds available we should try to capitalize on some of that because we could either take those funds put them back into that park or take them and put them somewhere else. I would my recommendation if we do
that to city council would be those funds would be allocated for other park projects so it doesn't go into a general fund. >> So not saying we need to charge them top dollar so we can do more but I think if there's funds available that they're
willing to spend some that we take it and try to >> they say how many times a week they were going to use it twice. >> You said it starts around June and it goes through how many weeks are we talking about? Like five, six, eight. He didn't really say >> if we >> I don't think they know yet.
>> No, just practices. >> Oh, really? Yeah, they don't have games. Yeah, they'll >> do conversation. What do What does T-ball charge? >> Okay. >> T-ball like they charge for they charge for a shirt. You get a shirt
and I think like the coach's time, but I we they don't pay the city to use that part. So there's no fee schedule for that perk that T-ball then >> but but children that are involved it's $40 per child but that includes a
t-shirt and then you know all the equipment >> that is used. >> Um >> but we don't like they don't charge the city because it's >> and does island charge their students
>> how much was that? I don't know. But yeah, they would that's why there's funds available. So they get there's a fee to do actually. I I think so we signed up our youngest I think it was $175 for
>> they're not providing a field. >> They have way too many people so they can't get them all in Pine Island. So I think that's where Danielle's thinking about >> just the nine. >> Oh yeah. So there's funds a again I know
that goes with with other things versus but again I think if they have some funds that they're willing to spend we should think about that. >> How much is the field maintain now as far as bases and >> it's not >> that's why I just say
two approximate 50 bucks a time 100 buck it's a lot of money for the little league team to do. >> So I see if they're going to do twice we my opinion let them use it if they maintain it. >> Yeah. You know, that's how I look at it. So, >> but does this go back to what we're doing with Lions Club? Do we need a
formal agreement? Who's going to do that? >> Yeah, they're going to have to have we're going to have to have a reservation for sure. >> And I think that's where we we're thinking about do we need do we need to create something to reserve the baseball field because they may want to do it
next year. So, do we need to establish a process and a fee schedule for for it so we don't have to have this conversation again? Um, >> I don't think we probably need like that level like the same as Lions Club. I
think as long as we say we're going to let them use it for the season for 500 bucks, they can have rain out days or they can add days. If it gets rained out, they can do it the next day or whatever. We'd also ask that they maintain the field within that season.
So that would be filling golfer holes, you know, raking, new new bases, something else. Um, and then we could say, well, you get reservations for that. Um,
>> yeah, I mean, that would be another option, too. >> Knowing how many weeks would help because if it's four, if it's four weeks, 50 bucks, 100 bucks. I mean rain outs and everything. I don't know. >> Knowing knowing the season length 2 months or 3 months or
>> I'm trying to find if it's on there. Let me >> find out what it would be. Give them a 15% discount. >> What I'm what I'm seeing is that 9 U to 14U is $250 to$275 per person. >> Yeah.
>> I >> Wow. >> I have just a little come some thoughts. What if Missa wants to come here? >> Yeah. >> Or >> you know, do we charge $100 per season
or $50 per season? So if somebody comes next year or maybe Pine Island, maybe nine youth next year doesn't have any orco kids, it's all Pine Island kids. Would Pine
Island do the same for us? I mean, if they were just paying $30 per kid, I could see it. But is it Pine Island themselves that are going to pay it or is it Daniels? >> No, it would be Pine Island Youth Youth
Baseball would pay the city, >> which is essentially the parents of the children. So, when we start charging PEABA 500, we're just we're just throwing a general number out there. $500 for the season. I mean, they're going to have to have to start charging
programs for signing up their kids. >> It's a schedule. Season generally runs May to the end of July with practices one to two times a week for an hour and a half to two hours. >> So, roughly six to eight weeks there. >> Eight weeks at 50 bucks.
And again, they could do it like lions. They can work it out or give us monetary. >> Right. So >> then with fees comes expectations or you know how well the field's maintained and >> Right. >> True. >> So >> true. >> That to think about too unless they
decide to maintain the field also. >> You know, do they want chalk lines down? Do they want nice clean bases? And >> well, it's a nu practice. >> Yeah, I think so. I I pretty serious. I nine you >> nine you think Daniel would make it a little more serious than like T-ball in
there. >> So I think it it probably would look pretty nice after they're done with it because I think they want to practice on a very similar field that they would play their games on. So I my my thought is
um we should charge them something because if that money could be used for other things but not max dollars um >> what did you you said >> gather like $500 eight weeks and $50 a week is four
>> if you did the gathering permit But it's $50 a time. So or >> just so if they use it twice a week that's a $100. So then we're talking about $600 to $800. >> You just said well let's go half of that and
>> the rest is volunteer hours. >> Yeah. The rest of it's maintenance. So they're maintaining the the field. I'm >> you $800 we'll wave$400 >> $300 or whatever it is. Pick a number. Knowing the knowing the schedule will help kind of get that number down.
>> And I think they depending I think they start depending on when it's not wet and not cold anymore. >> So they're probably starting in they're probably starting in May, aren't they? >> Yep. It's end of May to end of July out.
>> Oh yeah. >> Last couple weeks >> because I'm sure school gets out in plan at the end of May probably next spring. There's about 10 10 weeks >> 10 weeks in that time frame if you take like the last week of May.
Yeah. I guess my my thought would be maybe we save $400 for the season >> and with that we ask that you would >> the maintenance >> help maintain build you know not huge things but they'll go >> city moss it
>> you guys maintain the diamond >> yeah the diamond >> and then that could go in the city's schedule >> the 10 >> you know or the you know where You have
rental of Corinco Park and such and you could have rental of the um all diamond. >> You're going to want that somewhere so that that's reserved for them. >> Yeah, >> we would just have to I think Mel would
just reserve it for them and they'd have that. That's >> I think we should have a fee schedule, but I don't know like what happens if it's just someone that wants to reserve it to do a family reunion. Like what would that cost for one time use versus
>> Well, if they want to just play there. >> Yeah. >> 50 bucks. >> I don't know, right? Like >> one time >> like I would I wouldn't want to put on the fee schedule like a seasonal pass for that >> park, right? So I don't know. I don't
know how we do that. >> Well, what do we charge for the for the pavilion at Ornoco Park? >> Isn't that 50 or >> right here? Right here it says under three hours is $30 with 150 damage deposit
>> or $100 for more than three hours and 150 damage deposit. And then for that's for this that's for in here. >> Cool. And then the park shelter is $35 plus a $100 deposit.
>> So a ball diamond should be worth 50, I think. >> And but would would the ball diamond have >> they wouldn't need a what did they call it? A deposit for >> unless any unless somebody got stupid
and you know brought a four-wheel drive pickup and did donuts in the infield. >> Yeah. It it's it will be Daniel doing it. I mean, so >> Right. So, you're pretty pretty assured that it's going to be done, right? >> Oh, yeah. It says, "Pa has indicated
it's organizational insurance to provide coverage during scheduled use contingent upon receiving the reservation confirmation." So, it seems like they'll take care of it. >> Yeah. >> Liability. So, so we basically just have to set a number and and and requirement
for reservation and for volunteer maintenance >> and then we ask council to approve that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, >> all right. What do we got? >> Figure out a motion. >> Well, I'll make the motion of $400 for
the entire season they use it. What is that? Three, four, three months, whatever it was. and and then maintain the diamond and our people do the >> well the field as well, right? >> The field to go. We want to try to fill
in any >> Yeah. Well, yeah. The field. Yeah. Maintain the field >> and then city staff would take care of garbage and portaotti, you know, all those things >> because that adds up if it's getting used more often.
>> Them all so can and public works would still maintain. >> Yeah. They'll stay maintain and mow it. Yeah, >> because like they might I don't know that I can't imagine they're going to say, "Well, what are we going to get for $400?" But what they'll get for $400 is guaranteed that day
>> and then a porta potty and garbage and all the things. >> Yep. And Kane told them that just let them know when so they'll have it mowed for them versus them going out there and it's >> two inches of grass or Yeah. >> inches of grass
>> because he didn't have a day, right? The two days. No, they're willing to work around T- ball. So, okay. Yep. >> So, we want them to also be responsible for maintenance of the actual ball diamond that part of it as well. >> It seems like >> Yeah, I think that's Well, that's
>> I think they would stripe the lines and do some ranking is what they said. >> We'll second that motion. >> Right. Did that did that get second? Did that mention
the reservation policy now? Is that inclusive in that? >> Yeah, I think we create that. So, >> yeah, definitely the reservation. >> And Justin, are you able to record that so we can
>> So, I got $400 for entire season and be responsible for maintenance of baseball diamond. And then the city will come up with a reservation number. Is that good enough? We don't have to say system, do we? >> No. No. No.
>> That will once it gets paid, Mel can just put Monday, Wednesday on there. I think that that's all they need is like a confirmation email for their insurance. And it could change from Monday to Thursday or whatever. I don't think it matters.
So, does that mean that we're going to So, right now we have something that's called the park shelter facility use agreement. Would be would we be doing something like that? >> I don't think we probably need that.
>> No, >> I don't even know if we need a contract, honestly, if they pay us the 400. >> I mean, I guess it's whatever they're comfortable with. >> Really? >> Yeah. If it goes downhill, they don't do it. That's it. So,
>> yeah. >> All right. So, um all those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Motion carries. So, we need to bring that to city council. Is that our second thing to bring to council?
>> The burn thingy. And then >> that burn thingy. >> Sorry. prescribed burn plan proposal. >> I think burn thingies official links burn thingy. >> All right. >> I need to put that in the burn thing.
>> Yeah. Sorry. >> Go back here a couple pages. Yan. Appreciate your thoughts. >> Okay. Um All right. So, now we're at old business and um we do have some updates on benches and bench placement. So,
um, let's just start with bench placement. Joy Joy has something here. >> Sure. We've talked about it before, but I'd like to just get it in the notes. Um, with age friendly or noco area. We did a research and it says to place the
benches on steep or challenging paths. Um, place the benches every 200 to 300 feet. And if it's easy terrain terrain a thousand feet
and try to place them in key locations um at the beginning or the end of a path and at uh locations where they connect with each other. So I just thought it would be great to get it in the minutes because we keep I don't know if I should
remember that off the top of my head. >> Does that mean that you have to have a map of the trails? so that they're they can be located electronically or >> we have a map and we talked probably
maybe in May or so actually walking or looking at the trails with where we think that might be. It'll be a flat spot to put it. There's not a tree right there. So >> yeah,
>> the one the one thing Sorry, go ahead. >> I just wanted to find out who is the keeper of the funds that are donated for for the benches >> for the benches and and that's Marie's
program. >> Want to speak to that? So, I was talking to Mel and so they're gonna So, on the city website, um they have like a I should go in there, but it's a drop down where you can like pay your bill and others. There'll be another drop
down that you can either contribute the whole bench or you can um give 50 bucks. And then what Mel will do is make a separate line item in the budget. Um, I don't know if I brought that forward as city council that way. It would be
nice if we could Well, I guess I guess if they donate, it would go to the bench anyway. I was going to say that that money would be earmarked for parks and trails, but it's it's a wash, never mind. Um, but Mel will set up a separate account. >> If someone purchases the whole bench,
um, then um, it would just be invoiced that way. it would come through city council as a resolution um or that donation. So, we would actually do that and then um or Jason or Mel or whoever would actually order the bench that way and get it
delivered here. >> Yeah. So, they would take care of it all on their their end. >> Okay. There's been discussion that if somebody u donates funds towards one specific bench know does the whole there would be
options you know what park would you want it to be in and from there kind of is there a specific spot and would that coincide with where we would want to have it designated to go
>> right kind of what we're talking >> yeah the other thing I was thinking about as we get estimates for paving those paths. I wonder if we ask them about just putting a cement pad in those spaces. I don't know how much more that would cost, but if we're thinking about
paving those, like if they could even just cement pad them while they're out there and we don't have to worry about that expense later on. I don't know. Well, I think the only the only problem with that it was be the trails are going to be all black top and the and the pads
I believe will be concrete. So, >> okay. Yeah. I don't know. >> So, that wouldn't and I think wasn't it Kane said that they would were going to do those pads. >> Yeah, they would. Yeah. They don't want to drum. >> Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I understand what you're saying, but I think uh >> and we'd run the risk that we'd have a like a concrete pad there that we would have >> a bench for a while. >> But if we can get ahead of that and we
and so we also will work on I wanted to confirm with Mel like that plan to bring donations in and and what is like that question like where do you want it? Do you want it black? like all of those things. Um before we communicate, if we can get ahead of that, we may know that
there's five people that want a bench in Oronokco Park and that's going to get paved. Let's just do it while they're out there. They can flatten it or whatever they need to do. >> Sure. Yeah. The other thing is I actually contacted the company and they said that they're
willing to give us a discounted price if we have an agreement with them that we're going to order 20 to 30 benches over the next 5 years. >> So I need to talk to Jason about that. It was it was quite significant actually. It was almost like 15 to 20%
off. >> Um but again I I don't know if we can commit that we're going to have that many purchases. So, I don't know what what he thought of that, but that could also be another thing to consider.
And if we know we needed five right away, it would save on shipping costs, all of those things. So, it may behoove us to do some proactive communication to see what the demand is before we order the first
benches, too. I don't know. But if we can order in bulk, it saves on shipping because I think the shipping itself was almost 180 bucks. >> Yeah. Per bench. >> Per Yeah, it comes on free. Yep. >> Just a question. Is Kane still looking
at ordering picnic tables or are we on hold on that? >> I told them to hold because we don't need anymore. That was kind of what we when we were at the park last year, we're like, why why do we have all these picnic tables? >> Yeah.
>> And if they're just for gold rush, >> y >> should we continue to buy anymore? >> So, >> I think I advise him to just hold or bring it back if he really feels like he needs more, but there's plenty benches
or um picnic tables all over the place. And I I think almost every park has a good what I want to call permanent one. >> Yeah. >> Um the coden park might not have one of the permanent ones, you know.
>> Um but the but it has a couple. >> They bring it down there, right? >> Yeah. They put they put them there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Okay. So,
I feel like I don't have the oomph to be able to do this whole thing, but if you guys do, you can figure it out. This is really nice. This is like really awesome. So, I don't know if we
want to go over each one right now or if we want to look at them, discuss them further. I don't know that. I mean, is this something that we need to necessarily approve? Probably not, right? >> I don't think we need formal approval,
but it would be nice to go back to council and say, "Here's our plan for the year, >> right? >> And here's why it's important." And some of them aren't costing us anything and maybe thinking about how do we right, if we want more community engagement events, like how do we start to plan
when that looks like? I know everyone's summer gets busy and and start to think about what that would look like. I mean, I think it's just more kind of a plan for the year for us. >> Yes, >> I know. I know. We were waiting on the
Orno logo, which was um approved. Um and Kane has money for the um park signage, so I don't know where that's at, but he has a budget for some of that. we were waiting on the true logo to do some of those things, but I think the other pieces in there, right, we've talked
about the paving of the the trails. Um, we talked about a community engagement events. There's one about the American visibility um audit just to see where we would need
some kind of ADA standards to be upheld. We talked about walking past and like shady, but just trying to plan for the year so we're not um trying to do that at the end of the year and or scramble in the summer I think would be the the key and
if some of those things don't make sense we just cut them off too or something needs to be pulled forward. So, community engagement events would be in addition to uh national night out. I would think so, right? Because that's
more city versus parks and trails. >> No. >> Okay. >> I think in the survey, right, we um a lot of the comments from people that submitted was the parks are sporadically used. So maybe we plan some fun things
at a at a park um to get people to come and use it or I mean it doesn't have to just be like cleaning cleaning up activities. I mean that could be something that we just bring people out to a park to get them to understand all the different perks in Oronoo or do a
scavenger hunt or do some I don't know. I mean, I think if trying to get people out there and using it, I think would be something that we should continue to push. It probably doesn't cost anything. Again, we we have a little bit of budget, so we could do something fun. I
don't know. I mean, just trying to think about how we increase that utilization of >> I know we have those in the park. You know, I don't know if we had any last year or the year was the year before, but I know we could maybe not do something like that, but just do a, you know, a night where we would grill out,
you know, hot dogs, hamburgers or something for the community and the park, do that. Something like that might be kind of fun. >> Or even something as simple as an ice cream social. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, if we're just
spitballing here, how about this one? Yes. pickle ball tournament right out here. Sign up. There's money that you have to pay. It all goes to buying benches. >> That's how we start buying benches. >> And Jeff is going to lead that.
>> Sure thing. What's When do you want to do it? >> Tournament. >> Pickle ball tournament. We've got three pickle ball fresh pickle ball painted courts out here. >> I like it. >> When should we shoot for that? Give me a month. >> I know. I mean, >> July. Let's do I mean, we can just do
it, can't we? >> Yeah. We have the parks. We have to get the word out. So, let's do that. We'll talk about that. >> I'll get my wife involved. She plays that thing what times a day for five days. >> I know. >> My gosh.
>> And she's asked, >> she got put into the where they she's got to make all the reservations for all the courts. >> Oh my lord. >> And and yeah, it's something else. And now they're closing. >> Well, yeah, they closed yesterday. Um
the uh what's the name of it? >> Chip shots. >> Chip shots. Yeah. Yeah, because it was just the people that ran it. They didn't like take the money. They didn't >> I thought I was going to say open. >> Well, maybe it maybe it is March. I don't know. I thought it was March 1,
but I could be wrong. But either way, no. But they got the they've got the uh Homestead Medical >> Homestead Sports Clinic has got courts and I guess the college down there's got some really good inside courts and uh so
I think they might get them going. So I don't know. >> We need benches. >> Yeah, >> I think Chip Shots is until March. >> But um >> why why never mind >> the chip shots? I think what they had
trouble with, like he just said, she could bring five people and they would bring in 25 bucks and she would rent it for 30 and that's $55. But guess what? They don't go and buy beer. They don't go and buy lunch.
>> Oh, my goers. They get beer and pizza. >> I know, >> right? But they wouldn't really hang out there after. And they bring their own coffee and water and all the things. And so, yeah, that's what they were telling me. Anybody want? >> That makes sense. >> I can see
>> otherwise this parts were happening. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Where we at? Where's the park signage? I I obviously missed last meeting. So, >> so I think what has I think they're trying to get >> Wait, let me step back. >> Do you guys think that some of our signs
are even starting to get run down and so that's why we're >> figuring out how to replace them and then we got to get the new city logo in them and get them all to match. But they already match, I think. >> Well, >> I mean, Jeff and I, we perused that and
they didn't look that bad, but then we thought you could put a an attached sticker or something with the logo on it and then update whatever, you know, whatever rule change or whatever it is that you need to >> Were we thinking that we wanted more
directional signage for something? >> That was part of it. Yeah, we went to some like for for the walking trails at least at Orin Oakco Park there's you kind of have to guess >> where the trail start small trail. >> It's a small trail but it doesn't say go this way.
>> You know if you've lived here doesn't say it ends >> you know that you walk down that little hill past the campground and there's where the dog poop bags are and >> yeah that's all you get. You don't get a little map, >> right? Because a map would be good because at some point
there was like a a big circle and then there was a >> there was two inter interconnecting circles. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because I well you know that's years ago since I GPSed them and we put them on the website but
>> so that Yeah. So that's what's happening with that um $10,000 request. >> Sorry. I was just curious. >> Yeah. That's coming out of Kane's budget though for the overall signs. >> So, it's not something we have to pony up no money for.
>> If we want like directional signs, I don't know what what he'll have left. Um, that may be something that we would need to either budget for or use our discretionary funds for because that wouldn't cover those. But the overall signs I think the
plan is to get all new ones and and they would be same look, same color, same size >> and just with the new logo so it just kind of starting fresh. >> I have talked to Kane about putting a
scannable code on there >> to bring up a map or >> It could bring up a map. It could bring up if you want to reserve the park. You could even do things like it needs maintenance, right? There's trash or the >> sure >> bench is broken or whatever and they
could submit a service request that can or the city would get. Um maybe you could even go as far as little historic information about the park or fun things that we do there. I mean I think once you scan it, you could do a lot of
different things with that scannable code and those don't cost very much. Yeah, >> we would just need to make sure that we would have a process in place like if you can submit like an issue request that it's set up for someone submitted
to the right people. >> Yeah. >> So that may be something we want to talk to Ken a little bit about about like how do we have some scannable codes? What do they think from a public works perspective that they want to have on there?
And maybe Parker Parks wants a reservation process. I want to reserve this park. Here's how you do it. Here's the fun things that are happening. Like a perk calendar or something. I don't know. So, but I think the plan is to get all new
signs um across the board. This is weird. So, I clicked on Alice Park to see all the pictures. And then it says you've been invited to Alice Park. You can view the album or
That's weird. I don't that when you're just trying to look at something. I don't know. I think it might Let me just do it. I just Okay. So, then it's loading the album and showing maybe the contributors to it. I don't know.
Um, yeah. But when you guys looked at the signs, they all look fairly similar, don't they? >> Yeah. For the most part, except for the giant sign in front of or in Oak Park. That's kind of hideous, I think. >> Yes. >> Yeah. You don't like
>> it's like I >> see >> we had some junior high or middle school kids painted which is fine but we wanted to put a better face on it I think. >> Sure. So that Okay. So that could be one
of the first ones that gets designed and put in or something. Right. >> You could put a nice flower planter under it. Maybe trim a branch or two away from it. We used to big branch was hanging in front of it. Has that been cut off?
>> Easy to drive right past. I think the other thing it's on that next page about developing a standard for investments into the park um versus new developers donating the land. They need to have green space and so
I don't think we have authority um to do that. However, I've brought it up at city council a few times and conversations as we work on the zoning codes and I think there is um support to
ensure that it's a financial investment versus a land >> investment because we don't need we don't need any more parks right now. And so I think that is what's being planned forward. That hasn't went through city council yet. Um but I think everyone is
well aware that we don't need more parks to maintain. Um so we would just ask for a financial donation in lie of that for any new developers. So the developments that are going now we can't change that or we can't hold them accountable. Um
but any new developers we would we would um hold them accountable in that space. So I think that last one's kind of in the works already. we wouldn't need that $1,000 for legal because we are looking at zoning costs um and zoning codes right now. So, it's actually pretty good
timing to do that. >> Oh, there's an engineer working on paths for the I assume Lake Shady Park is the old lake bed. >> Yeah. >> And but there's there's poorer access to it. Yeah, I think we put that on there
with some of the work that Ryland was doing for that master plan, but we haven't I don't I'd have to ask, but I don't think there's any >> stand tech urgency there >> costs. And again, if they have and that might be an opportunity to think about
cringing in that space, you know that we probably wouldn't want to pave. I don't know, maybe you would pave in that space that's wet land. I don't land I don't know. kind of questionable whether or not that's reasonable. >> I mean, I know they mow it, but
>> yeah, >> we may want to think ask Ryland next time he's here what he thinks about that. I think we put that on there because I know there was work on the master plan, but I don't honestly I don't know where that's at. So >> that might be something we push back or
they got >> I guess if there were unlimited funds >> or something. But >> I know Joy, you talked about um in your email back to me about getting like motion lights and security at the parks.
I think that is probably something we should think about um to we don't have the funds so we'd have to budget and or look at grant funding but I do think having some type of lighting situation andor security
cameras out there. Some of the parks are quite remote. Um and I know that was mentioned in the survey that you know at dusk it does feel a little eerie to be down there. Um, >> well, and for some reason they're advertising that Forano Park is open
8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., but I thought all the parks closed at dusk. >> It should be at dusk, but >> and but what does that really mean in a city environment? Like, you know, >> and who's enforcing it? I mean, I guess it would be sheriff >> if they're driving through and people
are out there. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know again for the like security aspect I don't know I mean we could look at grant funding of what that would mean we could work with and I know city hall is getting new security systems
um the nice thing with that security is they have a lot of like add-on so you could have it all under the same company but again there's costs for some of those things I could ask Jason if we wanted to put some of those at parks like what would we be talking
again any grant opportunity we might have to match funds. Um so we might not be able to do that depending on the cost. Um so that may be something that we need to maybe raise up from a 2028 goal to
this year and or next year. I don't know with the ambient lights, you know, what people want to see extra lights, but I really think even you talked about it at our age
friendly meetings is the fireworks. When you're leaving the fireworks, what's the lighting like when you leave there to try to walk back to your car and it's it's dark? Um, you know, just some thoughts about that, the safety.
Um, I don't know how big a problem Orno Park is anymore for they were having problems with drugs, people hanging out there, if lights make it easier for them to to be there or not. So I don't know if there studies
but for the safety is kind of some thoughts about having some lights in some of the areas that are hard harder terrain than just flat. >> Yeah, lights are a pro and a con, right? You have them there. People may stay
longer than they're welcomed or you see them when they're not supposed to be there. motion and they they're going to only trigger when they're there and that might make them nervous so they scatter and get out of there too. So >> then it goes back to dark. So I don't know. That's an idea.
>> The building has motion sensor lights. >> Yeah, they do. >> And we've tried to have meetings there. >> I know. If you're not moving, they toilet again. >> You're sitting in the dark. >> Yeah, that was tricky. I could just ask Jason if we said, you
know, we wanted to do some type of security on the parks. What I mean, I don't even know what that would cost with the new package that he's buying. Just to get us something to think about. I mean, I know that would be cameras. I
don't know if they install lights, too, or we do something different, but I don't even know what that would even look like. I'm um I wonder I mean security is a really general word. Um what is the
uh you know I guess what are the incidents is it and I don't mean I'm not trying to undermine people's fear of insecurity um but do do we have um I say an actual problem or is it right now a perception of a problem?
I don't I don't think it's a it's a problem. There's probably people that later down there that may have just you want to stay longer, but I don't think there's a a problem just based on what the deputy shares with us. I think it's
making sure that people feel comfortable there. um >> because do we want I mean I um I'm familiar with Rochester parks and I don't know if all of them close at dusk but that you know if people are in after
dusk it's going to be scary and I I um don't if we have lighting I'm not sure if we're just encouraging um more scariness you know to to keep people in a park or not keep but to welcome people in a park after dusk.
I so my point is I'm just when we talk about security what are we you know if there's cameras who's watching them how long you know that I mean there's um there's all kinds of questions and it's like I'm just I'm guess I'm asking specifically what are we addressing um
>> I think it would be I think it would be cameras and it would be alerts to the city administrator who would then if if they're doing something they shouldn't then it would be a call to the sheriff to address. I think the other thing we
could think about as we make more investments in the park, maybe that's the time we install cameras for vandalism or other things. So, if we're catching people wrecking things, right? Having some of that security footage will will help. And maybe we do it as we
put more money into the parks >> versus have to spend it all right now. That could be another approach. >> Yeah, I guess I would feel more comfortable if we were responding to something specific um than than just that and and can't you
know if there's cameras then is somebody watching them and if there's nobody watching them do you give a false sense of security? Well, we already have cameras out there, so it just be a matter of probably making them more efficient if they are in the same
what would it be? System. >> Okay. Uh, so who is somebody watching them or is it just recording? >> Yeah, the the public works staff checks them now and then. Some of them do come right to the computers here, I think, at city hall. But I also think it is one of
those, you know, you go out there and you see something and then you can rewind and go back to see who was in there when that happened. >> The new the new software that will be installed in city hall and around fire and around city hall will actually
trigger alerts to like Jason. Um >> again, I don't know if we'd want to go that far. So Jason would get all these alerts for animals and other things in the park. Um maybe maybe you want I don't know >> the dear
>> and I guess my my point only is um I'd be more comfortable if we were responded to something specific than sort of just increasing security when you know in general I I don't know um just I just you know um I would hate to put in
cameras and and then have it like be too many you know uh alerts to somebody or that you know bad things happen and and nobody's watching the film or you know I um just just that we we were responding I just would feel more comfortable if we were responding to something
specifically that's all >> yeah I there were some neighbors that next to oral park that had mentioned there were some problems down there now whether it was in the past or if it's a ongoing problem >> park had the same issue years a few
years ago with >> people hanging out and doing unknown things. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I I'm certainly not against it. I I just I worked with with security
issues and they they are um you know there's there's many colors of security issues. >> I don't I don't think it would take away I don't think it would it would again we'd have to make sure that we're communicating. It wouldn't say that this
is real time surveillance. If something bad happens, it's going to call someone and you're going to get help. Like that's not the I don't there's not that liability from the city that we would someone would be botching it 24 by7. This would be
this would be more of a a reactive view of some of those things in case there was vandalism and or something happened. So, it wouldn't it wouldn't be real time surveillance, like I fell down and I don't have my phone. It's going to call for help for me. That wouldn't be the
>> the plan. >> Yeah. And and maybe for the neighbors who were reporting um suspicious activity, that could be a great place for a camera. >> All right, Jason. July pickle ball tournament. Watch out. All right. Well,
I haven't brought that to council yet. >> Oh, am I supposed to tell him? >> True. I haven't brought it out of this committee yet. We'll talk about that later next month. >> Pickle ball paddle all taped up. Is this right? >> Late July, probably.
>> What do you think, Don? Pickle ball. >> I'm now a player, but I I'm not ready to enter a contest, so I'm I'm happy to help get the track warning or help get the court worn in. Cool then.
All right. Well, is there anything that um anyone else wants to visit about this evening or shall we um come back and April? I think we have two things we're bringing
to council. The Pine Island baseball and the burn burn. And then Don, you're going to get park signs ordered so that they can be here when it's time. Um, we were we're
curious about a flag pole at Oak Park and the actual flag to be done right away. I just something that's >> something to keep an eye on though. >> Something in in the plan staff. Maybe
the BFW has flags can get you. >> Well, I think we can get a I think we can get a good flag. Yes, we need a >> Yeah, the Lions Club would be the flag. >> Oh, yeah. >> Flag providers. I think they already do it. >> Well,
whoever set up camping, I think it needs a new pole down there. It's just rust and it's got a terrible rope on it. >> Does it? You know, I don't think it does. >> Yeah, it's
>> not investigations of flag display. >> Yeah, they get >> Well, according to the website, it's open till 1000 p.m. So, I could drive through there on my way home. There you go.
What kind of lighting it has? All right. Well, oh my gosh, there's no calendar. >> Nothing >> because, you know, we don't use them anymore really anyway. Why does this look bumpy? >> Anyhow, all right. So, who can help me
with the April date? What's it going to be? >> April 6th. >> April. >> April 6th. Okay. Um, so our next meeting will be April 6. And
you guys want me to make motion? >> I'll make a motion to >> make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> The same sign. All right. We got an 848 this time. Maybe something like that.
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All right. And it still says two participants, it looks like. >> All right. All right. Well, welcome everybody. Um, this is our March 2026 parks and trails meeting. So, I'm excited to have all of you here. This is
wonderful. Uh, Jeff Magnus is our new mouse controller for the Zoom. We've got Justin Black, Marie Ricefer. Okay. Lance Sorenson. Um Katie Dudley, Kevin McDermott, Joy Bzinger. Lee, is it Lee
Berg? >> Lee Bergam. Okay. And then we have Jason Baker. And how do you say your name again? >> Johan Senberg. >> Johan Sonnenberg. Lovely to meet you, Johan. All right. And you're our fire chief. >> Yes, sir.
>> Or no. Okay. All right. So, what's that? officially called order. >> I've now called the meeting to order. All those in favor say I. I don't know. Are we doing that? >> I like it. Okay.
So, um Ryland is absent today and Dawn is on her way. Um >> I'm I'm listening. >> Okay. Fantastic. Oh, yeah. This is true. All right. Um, I would like and Marie, I think I need
your help with this a little bit. Um, what all needs to be added? Um, Johan is here for prescribed burn. Is that on here? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. First, look at that, Johan. >> Even better. >> All right. And then
I added I think Mel sent out um the proposal for the trail paving. I know it's on here, but I wrote up kind of a a proposal to bring that forward. The only other thing that I didn't see on here was and maybe we added to old business
or bring it to another meeting, but thinking about 2026 goals um and reviewing them and making sure that they're accurate because again we want to make sure that we're doing some of the things that we've thought we would do. Um so maybe it is a good discussion. Um I know we created them last year.
Some of them may carry over. We may have different ones, but really having at least a year plan and even looking at the 3510 year um ones as well. And those probably aren't as immediate need, but really the 2026 we should look at.
So that would be a new ad maybe under old business >> and and you do have access to that in your emails. Um my printer was not cooperating with me. I don't know, Joy, were you able to print off the goals >> that Marie sent? >> Yes,
>> I did. I was able to print them off. I >> I also printed off an email I sent previously to Marie. So, >> okay. >> Do you want goals or was something else on? >> Do you want them a copy?
>> Anybody need a copy of the goals? >> I was going to bring them up on the computer, but I didn't care what picture. Is that that chart? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. You got two pages on one or something? >> No. >> Awesome. I'll take whatever you have
there, Joy. Thank you. >> I think the only other thing And Don, I I don't know. Were you able to get those park signs ordered >> for? >> Um, no, not Chad. I I want to select them and then I my my um I am being
delayed on that, but I figure they signs can't be put in the ground until it's stalled, I think. Anyway, but yes, I am working on that. >> We should >> Yeah. What's that? >> If you need help, we should probably get them ordered because we could still bookmark them out of the 2025 budget since that was approved 2025.
>> I don't know when they want to. >> Okay, thank you. Thanks for the deadline. Yeah. >> When did they want to close? >> Yeah, as soon as possible. >> Did you actually send the agenda because
I don't see We still found this out. >> And truth perks and trees. >> To whom do I send them, please? >> Well, if you find Don, if you find the signs that you want, you can either send them to me or send them to
Jason or Mel or Rachel and we can get them ordered. But just tell us which ones you want. >> And and who I'm sorry, who is speaking? I'm sorry. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We We can get two two of them and they need to be under 50 a sign, which I
think the ones we were looking at were like 20 bucks. >> Yep. Okay. >> And if you don't have time, I'm happy to find some, too. >> Nope. It's I just put it off. I just I I usually work with deadlines, and I don't do well without one. So, this is a
deadline. I should have it to you by tomorrow. Okay. trails at 4:00. Um, I did also want to add an old business. I saw I I admitted to not reading the emails, but seeing the beautiful titles about benches. So, you
have things we can discuss about benches under old business, right? Sound good? Little place to put it. >> Um, I have >> Yes. just a short statement about the park bench placement if I could just add that under old business.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. >> All right. Um All right. I make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second it. >> All right. All those in favor say I.
>> I. >> Oppos. Same sign. All right. carries. >> Okay. Um, let's see here. Do you need the polls? >> So, is there one page?
>> It's only one page from back. I print out five copies. I fig I don't need >> Did you get one? Did >> you have it? Okay. You want one, Le? He
said he had one about. >> Okay. Dustin, >> yes. >> Was kind enough to get our minutes to us and I tried sending them I didn't mean to send them at 10:44 last
night. I meant to, you know, schedule send them at 8:00 am today, but um did you guys get to see those? Do you have any comments or do you want me to read them or anything or where we at with that? >> I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, M. Okay. So, um we do have um a visitor here. We
have Johan, our fire chief is here to discuss prescribed burns planned for this spring. Um, Adam, it was Adam Braise, right? Presented information to the committee last year. And so the goal
is to get this to happen this year. >> Fantastic. Look at that. >> You even have a nice shield up on the top right. >> That's our That's our Yeah. So, you guys don't know me. I'm Johan Senberg. I've been on the fire department here for uh
five years. And prior to that, I was on a Hayfield Fire. Um, so I've been doing this a little bit. Um, prior to being fire chief, I was training officer for both fire department and first responders. So this this December or January one, I guess I took over um, as
fire chief. So um, you guys met Adam. Adam is actually now the director of the EOC, right? Our emergency operations center. Um, so him and I discussed before we went put this together today. Make sure that we were on the same page. Um, so just a just real quick, we'll
just we'll just run through this. The big nice picture on the back that Adam drew for us, um, is where we're going to be doing the burn. Um, so it's it's west of Sunny View Lane, right? So on the southwest side of town. In red is where
we're going to be doing doing the burn. And the green is where, you know, like we have the trees and kind of, you know, it's kind of like a little valley in there. So, we're going to try to save as many trees as we can. Um, so couple things. Um, our ideal conditions when we do this, we want
we're looking for little to no wind, right? And and and if we were to have a wind, it would be great if it was coming from the north or the northnortheast. Um, so it doesn't blow into people's houses, windows, you know. Um, and what we do when we when we do a
burn, we burn against the wind, right? Okay. So, if the wind's coming from the north, we're starting at the south. They're trying to go north, right? So, it's backwards. Um hopefully we don't we we would like no rain four to seven days in advance, so things are dry. Um we're hoping to do this on a
Saturday. Um sometimes we we we've in the past we've done a few burns and we've had to stop and then start again, stop and start again, just kind of depending on the weather. We even had one that we had to just abort and then do it, I don't know, two weeks later.
So, what we're hoping to do, what I didn't put in here, but what I'm hoping to do is I'm hoping when we do our communication is here's our primary day that we're going to do this and here's our backup day. Um, just because weather, right? Um,
so I'm working with the DNR. Um, the DNR is in charge of these kinds of burns as well as if we wanted to burn a house, they're actually in charge of that, too. Um, so I've got a DNR contact working with him. Um, then on the day of the burn, um, fire
will reach out to county dispatch and let them know that we're burning. So when they get phone calls, there's a huge fire in Oronoko. Um, it's us. So parks and trails, city of Oronoko and OFD, will we need to communicate to the residents what's going on, right? Our
socials and other means, whatever we whatever you guys want to do. I'm up for and I'm up right over. Um, you know, and things, you know, that expect, right? Smoke seen from a ways away, potential for smoke to blow into your yard, into your windows, smell smoke in and around
the area, firefighters, fire trucks in the park, on the roads, right? Um, also, believe it or not, um, potential for rust colored water coming out of your faucets, right? We suck a lot of water out of the main. That's potential. So,
happens. Um, coordinate with neighbors of the park to share the plan where the trucks will be placed as well as hose lines. So, we might we might be asking some some of our neighbors if we can run some hose lines through the yards. Um, we wouldn't be running trucks or anything through the yards, just some one and a half inch
hose line running through it. Um, cost, everybody likes that that's free, quote free. Um, this comes out of my training budget. Um, so things like this, it's great for training for us. Um, so there's no there's no extra cost for
that. One big thing I I am a big proponent of and I even have a safety officer that's on the fire department, um, is safety. Um, so we'll have at least 12 or more firefighters. Right now we have 24. Um, and we have three explorers as well, so
they'll be with us. Um we're going to have five five of our six trucks are going to be on scene. Um so engine two water source command um it's got a thousand gallons. We're going to stage that right at the end like culde-sac
view lane right there as close as we get. We'll be running some hose lines off of that too. Taker one is going to be our water source source with 2,000 gallons. It's going to be by the fire hydrant. If you look there's a blue dot on your map. That's the fire hydrant. So,
um, tanker two will be staged behind engine two, ready to help, um, and or bring more water. Um, brush one and brush two. So, brush one's a F350 pickup. That's going to be with 300 gallons of water on it and two hose lines coming off of it with a with a
pump obviously on it. That'll be roaming around making sure that things aren't going to go too fast. Um, something's not going to burn that you don't want it to burn. Um, brush two is the same. Brush two is a a side by side um that
has 70 gallons of water and so um again all apparatus sign of water on board two rig brush one and two are designed for this and you saw where the hydrant was. Um, I'm going to ask I'm going to work with Kane um with public
works to see if we can get some mowing done like like really mow it down real tight um around the trees around things that we don't where we want it to stop. And then next item is we'll wet down that same area before we start.
>> Right. Wet line ahead of the torch. >> Yeah. What's that? >> Wet line ahead of the drip torch. >> Yeah, we'll Yep. We'll wet it We'll wet it down before Yep. Yep. Um, and I I always say the potential to do this in sections for manageability and depending, right? Maybe it's a really nice Saturday morning and all of a
sudden their PPE and have special masks to assist with they have special masks to assist with outdoor fires. Um, we also use I was thought about bringing them just so you can see what things we we get to play with. I mean use. Um, >> I heard that. >> So we're going to have we'll have drip
torches out there. So, that's like a it's like a 50-50 gas diesel mix um that we'll use to, you know, start the fire kind of in lines, different lines that we'll do it in. Um, and then our other hand tools, brooms, waters, shovels, fire rakes, we have backpacks that have
five gallons of water and the younger guys can wear can wear those. Um, so, yep, that's that's going to be that's going to be our plan. Um the the nice thing about about this is um it's kind of twofold, right? We're
getting rid of all that fuel load that's there. I mean, that stuff is really thick and some of that is like taller than me when it gets going. Um so safer for us. Adam said he put on his EOC hat today and said, "Make sure you tell the
parks and trails group that this is a this is a hazard." >> I think they know. Yeah. To leave it there. I think they don't know, but I'll tell them. So, yeah, >> we have some good flame lights. >> We'll have good flame lengths with even with a back burn. >> We will. We will. Yeah, it's pretty
thick. Questions you guys, >> you've done a burn this large before. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Um, we've done some in the township. We're actually going to do another one for uh for sergeants. They've got three or four acres that we're going to burn for them. Um when I
was on Hayfield Fire, we did very large birds. So pretty pretty standard. This is a small death. >> So you said by sergeants or for sergeants somewhere? >> Four sergeants. They're they're they have a they have a restoration prairie that
>> over on or somewhere else. >> Oh, okay. >> Well, I know we have ideal conditions that we're looking for, but just to get I mean you can't plan anything and we want to get it kind of earlier in the spring. Do we have like a window of time like a week window like that we can tell the community in the area? Hey, just let
you know. >> That's what I'm hoping. That's what I'm hoping. So, I'm thinking depends on again it depends on snowfall, right? It depends on what are we going to have a wet spring or we going to do dry spring? I don't know. So, um I would say within a month we're going probably want to be out there doing it.
>> Okay. because I because I want to do it before it starts greening up because then it's just >> so prior to like before midappril before April in general is pretty much what we should be telling people. >> That's what I'm hoping. We'll see. I mean it depends. >> Depends. I know. I know. Ideal conditions is the number one thing, but
we don't want to push this out into May. >> I don't really want to be doing this in May. >> Cool. So, yeah. As we think about this from a safety perspective, is there other um areas that we should be considering
doing this to keep the brush at bay and or both? >> A lot of parks. >> All of them. >> I honestly I'm a pandemic, so we have a lot of parks. Um but yeah, it would be it would be good. And again, my DNR
contact, I think his name is Tyler. Um he'll walk through it with me. Like I'll be like, "Hey, just like you walked through this with me." I'll be like, "Hey, we got another park. Let's go look at it." And he'll come to walk through it. >> I think he's walked through a couple possibly. I don't know if he told you
that or not. That's >> Yeah. And I'm I'm But along the river and part of it is a is a restoration area for the riparian >> um project. And so I don't know what what their plans are with some of that
too, but that's a big field. Um, how are you contacting the land owners? Is it gonna actually be an actual go to the door or is it an email or what's the plan? >> So, you guys planning? >> I don't I don't know. Um, my hope is I mean, we'll put on all our socials and I'll work with Mel at the city to put it
on their socials, too. Um, if it takes sending out letters to people on Sunny View Lane, people on Riverwood, not Court, Riverwood Lane, whatever that is. >> Shady Oaklane, I think. >> Shady Oaklane. Yeah. So, >> Jane and then the Valley View or
something, but like I mean, not like I'm going to nominate Adam to go talk to his neighbors, but >> and you know, some of us are in those neighborhoods, too. If you want to like have a little canvas, I don't know. >> We can put we can put our hands. >> There's a HOA email
>> for that area. >> Oh, yeah. Send it out there, too. >> And Adam's probably on that. >> Yeah, he has that email actually that we could send it there. That would get everybody even behind there. >> Yeah, that would be good. >> That'd be perfect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. As much as as much
information as we can get out there as many people. >> I think you I think you start the communication now and let them know like here's our ideal conditions. We'll let you know when it gets closer, but just so that it's not a shock or if they have questions, it gives them a little time
to ask some of those things too. >> Yeah. And those questions can I mean I can answer the questions too if people have questions on safety or whatever you know I'm okay giving out my email or that's fine. So >> I would say most of the questions are
probably going to be safety related than >> the grass concern. >> Yeah. >> How close is this to my house? >> Yeah. >> Smoke is the biggest issue for you >> with wind directions and you know plans
for that. Yep. Yep. So that's why that's why we're Oh, so that's why we'll have two days. >> So, and on a Saturday, >> it is hard out there. It always seems like it's windy out there, though. So, >> we'll have to We'll have to see.
>> Yeah, with a back burn though, you can you can have up to 10 mph winds. >> Yeah, you you can. And you know >> it's not but it's not ideal but I >> I used to do a lot of burning with Dod. >> Okay. >> So I've been there.
>> Yeah. I mean it can be done. So you know we when I was at Afield we did we did burns for Byron the Byron fire over at the what's the >> Yeah. Oxbow. Yeah. At Oxbow. And >> it it got really hot. That was the first
time I saw my my first uh fire tornado. So, um, yeah, it got hot. Uh, so I don't want that to happen here, right? >> Don't put that on your communication. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dark tornado is fine. Tire fire tornadoes, not fine. Yeah. >> Oh, I love it.
>> Other questions? >> Yeah. Well, I appreciate you taking your time to come and visit with us. I believe what we do from here is we we just remind >> notify >> city council. >> Yeah. >> That that you visited us and that we agree with the plan. And um we'll do
anything that you need us, you know, to help you get the word out and what have you. >> Great. And I'll start communication with with Mel. And >> is this hingent on like the DNR at all? Like >> I it would be, but I've already talked
to him and he's like there's no >> So it's this is tiny compared to what they get to >> I I just didn't know. I know there was a permit or something that we had to >> so >> all good there. Okay,
>> sounds good. Thank you all. >> I don't we need to make a motion. >> I think we should vote on it and we can just send it to the city council for awareness. >> All right, Joy, do you want to make the motion? Say your name in the motion list. No, that's not right to to call out someone to make
a motion. Do we have any discussion that you guys would like to talk about further on this? How's that? That better >> discussions after that. Okay. >> All right. I make a motion to accept
this plan. >> You a book five years ago. >> Um 10. Okay. Um we'll talk about that. So, I make a motion that um we approve the plan that um the fire department put
together and and ask city council or it's more what's it going to be for city council? >> I think it's just awareness >> awareness. Okay, >> I'll second that. >> All right. Uh any further discussion?
I think the only other discussion is to make sure that we're doing proactive communication just because of there's a lot of houses around there. Um, just so that they can have time to ask questions or prepare if they want to, you know, make sure pets and kids are in the house >> or keeping, you know, keeping kids out
of the park down there. Um, >> car window shut. >> Yeah. So, we we'll just need to make sure that we're doing it now and as it gets closer. >> We have someone that we can put on point to get that HOA email sent out to that area.
>> Should have it. Um, >> do we have anyone that can contact that? >> Yeah, I can talk to Johan and Adam. >> He's across the street from Pretty Easy. But she'll probably communicate via
email. You know, it's how we all do. >> But um yeah, I would imagine our HOA isn't super active, but they send out emails now and then about stuff. So, all right. Fantastic. >> At least they have everybody's email. So,
>> yeah. Okay. >> Thank you, Murray. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> Thank you, Don. All right. Motion carries. We'll get that. So, that's a city council thing.
Um All right. Please see. Okay. The next that we have here is just a little reminder of our parks and trails budget for 2026.
Um right now we have uh 2,000 for parks and trails. Um, and 100 for supplies. What does that what does that mean, Marie? >> That is just that count number. So, there's 2,000 for parks and trails. >> Okay. And that's what we've used for for plants.
>> Yep. We can use that for plants or if we want to >> buy a pickle ball net or whatever that looks like. We don't have to go through city council. We have a little bit of funds that we can use for discretionary things. But yeah, that those could be used for planters.
Well, um I was talking to Don. Um the signs that we wanted to get, those come out of 2025 budget, so those won't hit the 2000. So, >> fantastic. Okay. All right. Are we good to move on from
that? I >> think so. >> Okay. So, our CIP funding is the 65,000 has been approved for trail paving. Uh we will need to determine whether to reserve these funds until we have sufficient resources to complete all paths, obtain cost estimates for
Riverwood Hills, or proceed with paving at Orinopal Park using the available funds. And I believe Marie, you had a really good um you had an update on that, right? >> Yep. So I put together a recommendation. Um I know Steve's not here. Um but I did
send him a note a little bit because I know we were trying to figure out what we should do with those. I know we have the paving of um Orno Park versus the Riverwood Hills paving. And so I asked Steve um a little bit more about what is
the Lions Club willing to um donate for Oronokco Park and he said that there could be some funds to help with paving. Um, so again, I think with that in mind, my recommendation is that we get some bids for Orno Park, assuming that Lions
Club would donate some of the proceeds to that and then pave the number two in Riverwood Hills. That is where it goes by the actual park and it connects to already paved pass. And then next year, the recommendation would be
to ask city council for another 65,000 to pave that that last half of that trail. That one, I think, would be beneficial for residents to see that we're actually serious about paving that path and what their taxpayer money is
going towards. Plus, it also does connect nicely um to use that that park and it connects to already paved. I know we'd like to do it all at once. Also, just want to make it aware that there's no guarantee that we'll get those funds
in in 2027. We can continue to ask, but it might be cut. So, my my recommendation is that we go forward and get some estimates for Orno Park and then that um second half of the the trail, assuming that we can get it under close
to 6,500 with the contributions from Lions Club. And in the meantime, we can also maybe check if we're if we show say a granting source that we're serious about it and that we found a way to pay part of the
trail, we could use that maybe in our language that we put into a grant asking for funds. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay. So, do we need to make a motion to request having Novo Park
and RH2 considered? >> Yep. We'll need to get >> this year. We need to get it um assessed. So, we need to do some requests um to get some bids on it. >> And is that to go through council? I don't know. No, I don't think so.
>> No, not >> it's our CIP money and it's just bids right now. I think once we go with who we select and we know the actual price then that would go through city council but it doesn't cost anything to get bids
>> and then that's what um >> who does bid? >> We work with Stantech. So, so Joe would help. >> Yeah, >> he did some assessments of like what it would all cost with some of those. Um, but I think that's already went through
city council. So, I think we can get some bids on it. And then once we know exactly what it's going to cost, then it can go back to make sure that we can get approval for use of those CIP funds. >> Okay. >> All right. So, does that mean we can go
on the next thing? I think we can vote on it. Oh, I think you can vote on it. Okay, there. You look like you're thinking hard. >> I'm thinking hard. I can't make a motion right now. I'm thinking of some numbers. >> I would like to make a motion.
Good. I would like to make a motion that we request Stanic to put out bids for project number two, which is um paving uh Brewood Hills Trail that from Sunny
View Lane to be past the actual playground to where it's already paved and also for the paving project at Oro. in Oak Park. >> I'll second that. >> All right. Thank you, Lee. Um, any Okay.
You want me to take discussion? Any more discussion? >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. You. >> Done. All right. Motion carries. All right. So, we'll get that moving along.
Okay. Um, Marie, do we have an I don't know if we have another email about the lions, but we >> um we do not. And so, I've been working with Mike Clarity, who is the city attorney.
>> Um, one we Ryland talked to Pine Island about kind of their contract with their park and so they actually have a naming agreement with with the Lions Club. So, we want to make sure we have that in place. The other thing that we were talking a little bit about is in that
contract, I know we talked about it here, but making sure that we had like a a term on that. So, they have three years on theirs. Um, so every three years that contract's brought back up and approved and then in their contract they have to
um either donate $5,000 or um acts of service for that that park. So they have a $5,000 threshold. So that could be a bench, a table, new equipment, whatever, or time spent cleaning up the park or doing something. And so that's part of
their annual. So 5,000 a year. Um, I don't know if we want to keep that 5,000 or we can drop it down, but that's what Pine Island has. So, I think those would be things that we would need to consider. Um, I shared some of that with Steve. I haven't heard back from him.
Um, but like the naming agreement will be pretty standard. Um, the only difference would be that three-year term and then what we'd want to say is our dollar threshold that they would need to contribute every year, which I think
they'd go over anyway, but just having that in writing it would help make sure that we're holding them accountable to keeping that perk up today. So, >> nice. So, I don't know if there's if you guys
feel strongly we can copy what Pine Island has or we can think about it differently. Again, the 5,000 would be if they want to donate to paving some of that park, right? That would be, you know, 5,000 to help with paving or other things that they'd want to do, too. So,
again, we could think about looping that in to some of the paving work, too. So, it doesn't seem like we're hitting them all different ways for financial assistance in that park, too. So, So, is there still more things that need to happen before it goes to council?
>> We would have to um we'll have to get them to sign and look at the contract. We would need from a parks perspective to outline what that dollar threshold would look like. And then I think we're going to need Steve to come back and actually give us that proposal. >> Okay.
>> I'm happy to do it, but I can't speak for the Lions Club. So, I think we'll have to have him come back or someone come back with all the information and then us bless it before it actually goes to city council. >> We have to get an actual draft of pie in so we can look at that first. I actually
have something to recommend. >> We have one. Yep. So, they Yep. Yep. So, Mike um is actually it's pretty standard. He would just need to know how much we want in that price point. Um, and then he did need to get like some of the Lions Club tax donation numbers and
things like that, which I know Steve can get, but it's a pretty standard contract. I think what he wanted to know is our term limit, and I said we talked about three. Um, but we would need to know that price threshold. >> So, that would be a decision that we would want to make.
In >> the original one we talked about uh allowing Alliance Club to use the park >> or no is that in does the Pine Island one have something to that effect? >> They do. They do let them use it on
their on in the summer months and um I think Ryland said they don't charge them either. That's not part of the naming agreement contract. That would be like the proposal that would actually go to the council. So that's in there that they would have. I don't know when they
meet like the first Wednesday or Tuesday of the month or whatever, but they could use that park for no cost. That was in there, but we can always bring that back and talk about it. I think what we would need to do if if I was the Lions Club, I
would say, here's that naming agreement, right? Three-year term. We want you to at least spend $5,000 in that park or spend manh hours maintaining it. you sign that. Here's the other contract that gets into like what the name is, them using it, that the city still
maintains it. It It's still the city property. Um, they're going to help with it. So, they would bring back almost like their proposal plus the actual like naming of it being changed >> and then we the fireworks allowing them
to use that for no charge. That would be in that contract. the second contract >> that wasn't in there, but we could think about it or if that's separate. I don't I mean, I don't want to give them just open free reign to do anything they want at that park, too. So, maybe that's outside of it or we can include it. I
don't know. >> I I think in all fairness, it would be a good good thing to allow them to use the park for no charge. As long as they have insurance, they're paying for the fireworks for the community.
It seems to me it would not be fair to charge them to use the park. >> The only reason I wouldn't lump it into that contract is I think we'd want to make sure that they have their insurance up to date. So like if they just got a pass every year, I don't know if we
would ask those questions. So maybe we handle that like separately >> case by case basis. >> And I don't know if they I mean if they don't have enough money, I don't know if they'd do do it. I mean, I think people would miss it like they did, but I wonder if we don't lump that in for some of those reasons to make sure that we
have Kane involved, that their license is up to date, their insurance is up to date, >> then we just bring it back this way and say we're not going to charge them that park fee and take it up through council that Okay. Well, I know that the fire the the the I forgot his name right
right now, but the gentleman that does the fireworks, he's got all the insurance for that that that >> that >> Yeah. >> show. >> I don't know. Do they have to annually do that though >> or is that like once they have it the insurance? I don't know if they have to
renew it or >> I think he's renews the insurance. I'm not sure. I do I do know that he knows that he's got to have the they got to have insurance. They can't they can't fire off fireworks without it. >> Yeah. >> So, >> my concern is if we don't put this in
the contract >> and we get a new council and the new council says we're not going to we're not going to >> Yeah. >> We're still going to charge that. Why should we? >> We don't want to set a precedent. So, I think in all fairness, it should
be something in there that says if they do proceed with having fireworks, they pay for the fireworks, they have insurance. >> Yep. >> License. >> A license. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What What are they called? >> Well, the the gentleman
>> Yeah. The gentleman that that does it, he's got >> they've got to have their insurance. They've got to have their uh wrote >> by license, everything. They got to have that through the >> I think that's through the through this state. So, I think you could do that in two though.
>> I think you could have an agreement that here's your park, >> whatever we're calling adoption plan contract >> and here's your Lions Club contract. >> I think you should keep them as two different entities all together. But you can put that in there, but it should be a separate one altogether cuz
>> yeah, >> we could even reference it in that larger that it would be a no cost. However, they would still need to bring it forward to make sure insurance and all of the licenses are up to date and there's an awareness and a decision >> have overlapping.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Does does the Lions Club have a priority for using the park then or is that how does that I mean it's still private parties could still contact the city and and lease or you rent the pavilion and
use. >> Yeah, they would have they would have priority over whatever their meeting nights would be. It's like a Wednesday. So again, it probably's not going to really I mean, they could go down there and it's not going to really impact them, but if they wanted to use it for a
cookout on a Saturday, they'd still have to work through the city to reserve it. That they'd have to pay. >> Okay. >> They'd have to do a gathering permit for that. So, they don't get access to use it whenever they want. >> Okay. >> It would just be for their meetings and it's like a Tuesday or Wednesday night.
>> Is there anything about the bathroom situation that >> No, it's messy. Well, we we talked about that. Again, I think I think that's something we need to think about if we keep that facility. >> Seems like it's a grant needing a place
to >> tear it down and do something different, use some of the historic zones differently. Again, I think that's something as as we get them as as we get the Lions Club to not own this park, but
be more a a contributing factor. I think that's where we we should spend some time with them and say long-term plan. What do we want this park to look like? What do we want the bathroom situation to look like? What do we want? I mean, they were even talking about I know Steve was like, "It'd be really cool to
have an amphitheater down there and do music at the park." Like, yeah, that would be really cool. >> Yeah, >> but like pay for that, right? Um if you got that much money, sure, go for it. Um but again like drawing out the plan of okay in 10 years maybe we can build an
amphi amphitheater and it would go here, right? So we're not paving trails to know where that's not going to be there anymore, but having kind of a longterm plan. So I think that's something as it gets nicer out that we actually go down there and walk with them and say >> do you like do you like the bathroom
situation? Do we want to think about that's a 5 10 year plan that we would restore it or tear it down or we would want something different where you know is the park situated rightly. I mean I think just having some time to think about where we would lay things out
that would also help with budget when they might not have enough like bringing that back through city council to say we really want to redo the bathrooms down there or whatever. I know that's on Kane's radar too. But yeah, I think that's another thing
we need to think about. But um we probably need some time down there when it's nice with them and even maybe with Joe from an engineering perspective to say here's our big long-term plan. Like what would it look like? What would we
need? What's like a staged kind of plan to get us there? We're not going to be able to fund it all, but here's the plans. Here's things we'd like. Does it make sense or not? Um, the other thing, and you know, I know we'll talk about goals, but I know
we have other things that we want to do. We don't have to put it all down there. May make sense, may might not. I mean, I think spreading some of those to other parks would be beneficial, too. So, I don't know about an amphitheater, but
you never know. Yeah. >> Probably other things higher priority than amphitheater. >> Yeah. On the topic of naming, something I noticed in Pine Island is that they have the naming rights. They have a big sign,
but it says Lions Club Pavilion at Trail Head Park. So, they haven't renamed the park, they've renamed the pavilion. So, is that something like that that we've considered doing with the Lions Club here and we can have Lions Club Pavilion
at Ourono Park or do they really are they kind of insistent as we want Lions Club at or Lions Club or Noco Park? >> Again, I don't know the name. I think Steve would probably need to weigh in on that. I think what I heard from them is
they'd like it to be called Ornoo Lions Club or Lions Park or something. something to that effect. Okay. >> But I don't know if that's a negotiable item or if that's a dealbreaker. I don't know. >> Okay.
>> Well, we can't do anything until we see more proposals from Steve. >> Yep. I think what we could decide tonight is what we want as that either donations or act of service contributions every year. I think we could make that because then we can have Mike drop the actual naming. um
agreement and then they can just that that name and other things. Um and then that final proposal they can we can work on making some edits but again I think that's where Steve would need to bring that back as a proposal. >> I have a question um for the donations
or service hours. I think it probably should be spelled out whether that's only for that park or for any park. >> It would just be for that park. Okay. >> And that's how Pine Island has it, too.
It would only if they want to help in other parks that that would be great, but it's really only for that park. >> Okay. >> So, I think of being fair and consistent, I would vote, my motion would be that we mimic exactly what Pine
Island has. So, it'd be a three-year contract and 5,000 per year. That could be a financial donation and or um acts of service hours to get us there. Um and then we would um request that the Lions
Club actually bring that actual both of those kind of formal proposals back here to be finally endorsed before it goes to city council. I would second that as somebody already did. My question would be,
you don't give specifics on hours. How are you going to determine $5,000 and equates to how many hours? >> Are volunteer hours build at minimum wage? I don't know. >> I can ask Mike how they would do that. I
don't know. There's got to be some equation. the um the volunteer hours are can be looked up. There's a standardized number for like general volunteer or professional volunteer, you know, if they're doing a professional service like engineering. Uh and I think it's
available on the web under like, you know, web uh excuse me, standards for volunteers. >> Says typically cost $1 to8. Oh, no, that's the template. Sorry. When I was doing this for um the Rochester parks about 10 years ago, I believe the the
non the excuse me, the non-professional volunteer, you know, the person just picking up trash or, you know, just doing something that's not considered a specific uh skill, I believe, was like $20 an hour, and I'm sure it's gone up since then.
>> Yeah. Here it's saying for a federal volunteer it's 3479 per hour. Well, I don't think this would be a federal volunteer unless it's a federal standard, >> right? Okay.
I can ask Mike. He would know what that looked like or we can ask the HR >> attorney. They had 20 $20 an hour. I just did a multiplication, but 16 members, that's 15 hours per member a year to get to your 5,000.
So, it's not difficult to do it that way. >> And it could be an andor, right? They do a bench and they go and throw it towards it. >> Yep. Go help pick up sticks or whatever. They pick up garbage or Yep.
>> I like I like modeling my since we don't have any. I dream it up on our own. Let's just use theirs and if we want to tweak it, then we'll tweak it. >> Three years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> One thing I'd like to see down there is
a brand new flag pole and a new flag at the entrance where it says right now it's pretty rough pole and pretty rough. I think they finally changed the flag out this year or last year. Yeah. It's just one of
>> you like the flag closer to the entrance or No, >> I mean it's probably fine where it's at. It just needs a new a new high. I mean it's But that's just >> Well, they like flags alliance fund this.
>> Again, I think that's where we could have a conversation if they're not willing to do it. We still have 2,000 discretionary funds that we could do that too. I don't know how much they cost, but >> Okay. Um there was a motion made to um
do the three-year contract and the 5,000 donation hours or money. Um all those in favor say I. >> Oppos. >> Okay. So the motion carries and at this time we need to have our city attorney
help drop paperwork and >> things like that. So we're at that spot. Okay. All right. Are we ready to move on to the Memorial Park baseball field reservation request? All right.
So, um, you did send this out. It's quite a lot. Um, but it it's pretty good. Um, but I could just read through it quick so we can see what your thoughts are on it. Um, so a request has been made to the Parks and Trails
Committee to allow the Pine Island Baseball Association to reserve the baseball field at Memorial Park for the spring 2026 baseball season for youth practices. And let's see, I'm just That's the same thing. Um, the request includes
reserving specific dates for practices. Currently, the city of Oruronokco does not have an established reservation process or fee schedule for use of the baseball field at Memorial Park. Um, Pine Island Baseball Association has indicated its organizational insurance
will provide coverage during scheduled use contingent upon receiving reservation confirmation from the city. the 9u team, so that means uh players under 9 years old, currently has seven registered players, all from Oronokco.
Um, Pine Island has indicated a willingness to coordinate scheduling around existing park programming, including the Oronoko T-ball program, which typically utilizes the field on Tuesday evenings during the summer season. And I would say that's really
just the month of of June. >> Yep. They start June 2nd. >> Uh this request go ahead. >> I was going to say it's June 2nd and it runs all the Tuesdays in June. So June 2nd through the 30th is Tball.
>> Uh this request presents an opportunity to both address immediate seasonal use and consider whether a more formalized reservation framework should be established moving forward. A seasonal use agreement um would be developing a written seasonal agreement that outlines
approved dates and time of use, insurance and liability requirements, field preparation and maintenance expectations if applicable. Recommendation for city staff to wave fees or create a fee schedule for reservations if applicable. And then
this option would provide structure and clarity for both the city and um Pine Island Baseball Association and may serve as a model for future yield reservation. So the act action requested is for the parks and trails committee to
provide a recommendation to city council regarding endorsement of Pine Island's use of the memorial park baseball field for the spring of 2026 season. if a fee structure or maintenance partnership would be recommended to be created by
oro staff and council and then whether to establish a formal reservation policy future use of the baseball field. And I would like to preface that um Daniel Spring is the coach that requested
um for the 9U team to be able to come here and he would have made it here tonight but he had Cub Scouts tonight. So that's how that goes. So, um, what are our thoughts on that? At this time, we don't have a fee schedule. Does anyone think that we
should have a a fee schedule? Has Has Kane said anything or anyone else say anything? >> Nope. I think we could I mean, I think we have a couple of different options. If we wanted to assess a fee for this, we could either use a gathering permit,
which is $50 a time. So, that'd be a hundred bucks a week for them. Um, that would be one option. The other option that Daniel and I talked a little bit about is maybe it's a seasonal fee. Um, because they are going to have rain
rain outs. And so, um, if we do per week, you know, do we reimburse them if they don't use it or it rains or they are traveling versus using it or do we just do a seasonal number? Um, they do need um, it's in that second bullet.
they actually need a reservation confirmation to ensure that their their insurance covers it. So without that reservation confirmation, um we would have to have city coverage and or it would be personal liability. Um so that is a must for them. But
again, we don't need to have a fee schedule to get a confirmation. Um but if we feel like um that would be something we're looking for, I think that would be an option. I think the other thing that Danielle, Kate, and I talked about is they would
be willing to even maintain that field. So, fill in gopher holes, help with getting the pitching mound to where they want it, doing replacement of some of the um >> bases. I was going to say plates, but yeah, bases. I mean, so they could even
we could even say again, you can use it if you maintain it, you help fill in, you do some of the maintenance around there, or we can have a a hybrid approach of we're going to give you a discounted rate, we ask that you maintain it. Um, I think we have a
couple of different options um there, too. I know Daniel wasn't super keen on 50 bucks every time because again, if it rains out, >> how do we do that? That seems what T-ball pay. Do they pay anything for the use of the field?
>> No. >> I think they're willing to maintain it. >> Yeah, they're going to maintain it. I'm sure that they're going to maintain it to a degree that they're that's like and all this stuff. >> The city crew is probably going to have to do the raking of the
>> They actually I think Daniel said they actually have a rake that he would be willing to bring and >> do. Kane would just still need they'd still need to do the mowing. >> No. >> Um it doesn't need to change our decision and I don't know how much but
Danielle indicated that Pine Island would have funds for this. So I also want us to be like if there's funds available we should try to capitalize on some of that because we could either take those funds put them back into that park or take them and put them somewhere else. I would my recommendation if we do
that to city council would be those funds would be allocated for other park projects so it doesn't go into a general fund. >> So not saying we need to charge them top dollar so we can do more but I think if there's funds available that they're
willing to spend some that we take it and try to >> they say how many times a week they were going to use it twice. >> You said it starts around June and it goes through how many weeks are we talking about? Like five, six, eight. He didn't really say >> if we >> I don't think they know yet.
>> No, just practices. >> Oh, really? Yeah, they don't have games. Yeah, they'll >> do conversation. What do What does T-ball charge? >> Okay. >> T-ball like they charge for they charge for a shirt. You get a shirt
and I think like the coach's time, but I we they don't pay the city to use that part. So there's no fee schedule for that perk that T-ball then >> but but children that are involved it's $40 per child but that includes a
t-shirt and then you know all the equipment >> that is used. >> Um >> but we don't like they don't charge the city because it's >> and does island charge their students
>> how much was that? I don't know. But yeah, they would that's why there's funds available. So they get there's a fee to do actually. I I think so we signed up our youngest I think it was $175 for
>> they're not providing a field. >> They have way too many people so they can't get them all in Pine Island. So I think that's where Danielle's thinking about >> just the nine. >> Oh yeah. So there's funds a again I know
that goes with with other things versus but again I think if they have some funds that they're willing to spend we should think about that. >> How much is the field maintain now as far as bases and >> it's not >> that's why I just say
two approximate 50 bucks a time 100 buck it's a lot of money for the little league team to do. >> So I see if they're going to do twice we my opinion let them use it if they maintain it. >> Yeah. You know, that's how I look at it. So, >> but does this go back to what we're doing with Lions Club? Do we need a
formal agreement? Who's going to do that? >> Yeah, they're going to have to have we're going to have to have a reservation for sure. >> And I think that's where we we're thinking about do we need do we need to create something to reserve the baseball field because they may want to do it
next year. So, do we need to establish a process and a fee schedule for for it so we don't have to have this conversation again? Um, >> I don't think we probably need like that level like the same as Lions Club. I
think as long as we say we're going to let them use it for the season for 500 bucks, they can have rain out days or they can add days. If it gets rained out, they can do it the next day or whatever. We'd also ask that they maintain the field within that season.
So that would be filling golfer holes, you know, raking, new new bases, something else. Um, and then we could say, well, you get reservations for that. Um,
>> yeah, I mean, that would be another option, too. >> Knowing how many weeks would help because if it's four, if it's four weeks, 50 bucks, 100 bucks. I mean rain outs and everything. I don't know. >> Knowing knowing the season length 2 months or 3 months or
>> I'm trying to find if it's on there. Let me >> find out what it would be. Give them a 15% discount. >> What I'm what I'm seeing is that 9 U to 14U is $250 to$275 per person. >> Yeah.
>> I >> Wow. >> I have just a little come some thoughts. What if Missa wants to come here? >> Yeah. >> Or >> you know, do we charge $100 per season
or $50 per season? So if somebody comes next year or maybe Pine Island, maybe nine youth next year doesn't have any orco kids, it's all Pine Island kids. Would Pine
Island do the same for us? I mean, if they were just paying $30 per kid, I could see it. But is it Pine Island themselves that are going to pay it or is it Daniels? >> No, it would be Pine Island Youth Youth
Baseball would pay the city, >> which is essentially the parents of the children. So, when we start charging PEABA 500, we're just we're just throwing a general number out there. $500 for the season. I mean, they're going to have to have to start charging
programs for signing up their kids. >> It's a schedule. Season generally runs May to the end of July with practices one to two times a week for an hour and a half to two hours. >> So, roughly six to eight weeks there. >> Eight weeks at 50 bucks.
And again, they could do it like lions. They can work it out or give us monetary. >> Right. So >> then with fees comes expectations or you know how well the field's maintained and >> Right. >> True. >> So >> true. >> That to think about too unless they
decide to maintain the field also. >> You know, do they want chalk lines down? Do they want nice clean bases? And >> well, it's a nu practice. >> Yeah, I think so. I I pretty serious. I nine you >> nine you think Daniel would make it a little more serious than like T-ball in
there. >> So I think it it probably would look pretty nice after they're done with it because I think they want to practice on a very similar field that they would play their games on. So I my my thought is
um we should charge them something because if that money could be used for other things but not max dollars um >> what did you you said >> gather like $500 eight weeks and $50 a week is four
>> if you did the gathering permit But it's $50 a time. So or >> just so if they use it twice a week that's a $100. So then we're talking about $600 to $800. >> You just said well let's go half of that and
>> the rest is volunteer hours. >> Yeah. The rest of it's maintenance. So they're maintaining the the field. I'm >> you $800 we'll wave$400 >> $300 or whatever it is. Pick a number. Knowing the knowing the schedule will help kind of get that number down.
>> And I think they depending I think they start depending on when it's not wet and not cold anymore. >> So they're probably starting in they're probably starting in May, aren't they? >> Yep. It's end of May to end of July out.
>> Oh yeah. >> Last couple weeks >> because I'm sure school gets out in plan at the end of May probably next spring. There's about 10 10 weeks >> 10 weeks in that time frame if you take like the last week of May.
Yeah. I guess my my thought would be maybe we save $400 for the season >> and with that we ask that you would >> the maintenance >> help maintain build you know not huge things but they'll go >> city moss it
>> you guys maintain the diamond >> yeah the diamond >> and then that could go in the city's schedule >> the 10 >> you know or the you know where You have
rental of Corinco Park and such and you could have rental of the um all diamond. >> You're going to want that somewhere so that that's reserved for them. >> Yeah, >> we would just have to I think Mel would
just reserve it for them and they'd have that. That's >> I think we should have a fee schedule, but I don't know like what happens if it's just someone that wants to reserve it to do a family reunion. Like what would that cost for one time use versus
>> Well, if they want to just play there. >> Yeah. >> 50 bucks. >> I don't know, right? Like >> one time >> like I would I wouldn't want to put on the fee schedule like a seasonal pass for that >> park, right? So I don't know. I don't
know how we do that. >> Well, what do we charge for the for the pavilion at Ornoco Park? >> Isn't that 50 or >> right here? Right here it says under three hours is $30 with 150 damage deposit
>> or $100 for more than three hours and 150 damage deposit. And then for that's for this that's for in here. >> Cool. And then the park shelter is $35 plus a $100 deposit.
>> So a ball diamond should be worth 50, I think. >> And but would would the ball diamond have >> they wouldn't need a what did they call it? A deposit for >> unless any unless somebody got stupid
and you know brought a four-wheel drive pickup and did donuts in the infield. >> Yeah. It it's it will be Daniel doing it. I mean, so >> Right. So, you're pretty pretty assured that it's going to be done, right? >> Oh, yeah. It says, "Pa has indicated
it's organizational insurance to provide coverage during scheduled use contingent upon receiving the reservation confirmation." So, it seems like they'll take care of it. >> Yeah. >> Liability. So, so we basically just have to set a number and and and requirement
for reservation and for volunteer maintenance >> and then we ask council to approve that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, >> all right. What do we got? >> Figure out a motion. >> Well, I'll make the motion of $400 for
the entire season they use it. What is that? Three, four, three months, whatever it was. and and then maintain the diamond and our people do the >> well the field as well, right? >> The field to go. We want to try to fill
in any >> Yeah. Well, yeah. The field. Yeah. Maintain the field >> and then city staff would take care of garbage and portaotti, you know, all those things >> because that adds up if it's getting used more often.
>> Them all so can and public works would still maintain. >> Yeah. They'll stay maintain and mow it. Yeah, >> because like they might I don't know that I can't imagine they're going to say, "Well, what are we going to get for $400?" But what they'll get for $400 is guaranteed that day
>> and then a porta potty and garbage and all the things. >> Yep. And Kane told them that just let them know when so they'll have it mowed for them versus them going out there and it's >> two inches of grass or Yeah. >> inches of grass
>> because he didn't have a day, right? The two days. No, they're willing to work around T- ball. So, okay. Yep. >> So, we want them to also be responsible for maintenance of the actual ball diamond that part of it as well. >> It seems like >> Yeah, I think that's Well, that's
>> I think they would stripe the lines and do some ranking is what they said. >> We'll second that motion. >> Right. Did that did that get second? Did that mention
the reservation policy now? Is that inclusive in that? >> Yeah, I think we create that. So, >> yeah, definitely the reservation. >> And Justin, are you able to record that so we can
>> So, I got $400 for entire season and be responsible for maintenance of baseball diamond. And then the city will come up with a reservation number. Is that good enough? We don't have to say system, do we? >> No. No. No.
>> That will once it gets paid, Mel can just put Monday, Wednesday on there. I think that that's all they need is like a confirmation email for their insurance. And it could change from Monday to Thursday or whatever. I don't think it matters.
So, does that mean that we're going to So, right now we have something that's called the park shelter facility use agreement. Would be would we be doing something like that? >> I don't think we probably need that.
>> No, >> I don't even know if we need a contract, honestly, if they pay us the 400. >> I mean, I guess it's whatever they're comfortable with. >> Really? >> Yeah. If it goes downhill, they don't do it. That's it. So,
>> yeah. >> All right. So, um all those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Motion carries. So, we need to bring that to city council. Is that our second thing to bring to council?
>> The burn thingy. And then >> that burn thingy. >> Sorry. prescribed burn plan proposal. >> I think burn thingies official links burn thingy. >> All right. >> I need to put that in the burn thing.
>> Yeah. Sorry. >> Go back here a couple pages. Yan. Appreciate your thoughts. >> Okay. Um All right. So, now we're at old business and um we do have some updates on benches and bench placement. So,
um, let's just start with bench placement. Joy Joy has something here. >> Sure. We've talked about it before, but I'd like to just get it in the notes. Um, with age friendly or noco area. We did a research and it says to place the
benches on steep or challenging paths. Um, place the benches every 200 to 300 feet. And if it's easy terrain terrain a thousand feet
and try to place them in key locations um at the beginning or the end of a path and at uh locations where they connect with each other. So I just thought it would be great to get it in the minutes because we keep I don't know if I should
remember that off the top of my head. >> Does that mean that you have to have a map of the trails? so that they're they can be located electronically or >> we have a map and we talked probably
maybe in May or so actually walking or looking at the trails with where we think that might be. It'll be a flat spot to put it. There's not a tree right there. So >> yeah,
>> the one the one thing Sorry, go ahead. >> I just wanted to find out who is the keeper of the funds that are donated for for the benches >> for the benches and and that's Marie's
program. >> Want to speak to that? So, I was talking to Mel and so they're gonna So, on the city website, um they have like a I should go in there, but it's a drop down where you can like pay your bill and others. There'll be another drop
down that you can either contribute the whole bench or you can um give 50 bucks. And then what Mel will do is make a separate line item in the budget. Um, I don't know if I brought that forward as city council that way. It would be
nice if we could Well, I guess I guess if they donate, it would go to the bench anyway. I was going to say that that money would be earmarked for parks and trails, but it's it's a wash, never mind. Um, but Mel will set up a separate account. >> If someone purchases the whole bench,
um, then um, it would just be invoiced that way. it would come through city council as a resolution um or that donation. So, we would actually do that and then um or Jason or Mel or whoever would actually order the bench that way and get it
delivered here. >> Yeah. So, they would take care of it all on their their end. >> Okay. There's been discussion that if somebody u donates funds towards one specific bench know does the whole there would be
options you know what park would you want it to be in and from there kind of is there a specific spot and would that coincide with where we would want to have it designated to go
>> right kind of what we're talking >> yeah the other thing I was thinking about as we get estimates for paving those paths. I wonder if we ask them about just putting a cement pad in those spaces. I don't know how much more that would cost, but if we're thinking about
paving those, like if they could even just cement pad them while they're out there and we don't have to worry about that expense later on. I don't know. Well, I think the only the only problem with that it was be the trails are going to be all black top and the and the pads
I believe will be concrete. So, >> okay. Yeah. I don't know. >> So, that wouldn't and I think wasn't it Kane said that they would were going to do those pads. >> Yeah, they would. Yeah. They don't want to drum. >> Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I understand what you're saying, but I think uh >> and we'd run the risk that we'd have a like a concrete pad there that we would have >> a bench for a while. >> But if we can get ahead of that and we
and so we also will work on I wanted to confirm with Mel like that plan to bring donations in and and what is like that question like where do you want it? Do you want it black? like all of those things. Um before we communicate, if we can get ahead of that, we may know that
there's five people that want a bench in Oronokco Park and that's going to get paved. Let's just do it while they're out there. They can flatten it or whatever they need to do. >> Sure. Yeah. The other thing is I actually contacted the company and they said that they're
willing to give us a discounted price if we have an agreement with them that we're going to order 20 to 30 benches over the next 5 years. >> So I need to talk to Jason about that. It was it was quite significant actually. It was almost like 15 to 20%
off. >> Um but again I I don't know if we can commit that we're going to have that many purchases. So, I don't know what what he thought of that, but that could also be another thing to consider.
And if we know we needed five right away, it would save on shipping costs, all of those things. So, it may behoove us to do some proactive communication to see what the demand is before we order the first
benches, too. I don't know. But if we can order in bulk, it saves on shipping because I think the shipping itself was almost 180 bucks. >> Yeah. Per bench. >> Per Yeah, it comes on free. Yep. >> Just a question. Is Kane still looking
at ordering picnic tables or are we on hold on that? >> I told them to hold because we don't need anymore. That was kind of what we when we were at the park last year, we're like, why why do we have all these picnic tables? >> Yeah.
>> And if they're just for gold rush, >> y >> should we continue to buy anymore? >> So, >> I think I advise him to just hold or bring it back if he really feels like he needs more, but there's plenty benches
or um picnic tables all over the place. And I I think almost every park has a good what I want to call permanent one. >> Yeah. >> Um the coden park might not have one of the permanent ones, you know.
>> Um but the but it has a couple. >> They bring it down there, right? >> Yeah. They put they put them there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Okay. So,
I feel like I don't have the oomph to be able to do this whole thing, but if you guys do, you can figure it out. This is really nice. This is like really awesome. So, I don't know if we
want to go over each one right now or if we want to look at them, discuss them further. I don't know that. I mean, is this something that we need to necessarily approve? Probably not, right? >> I don't think we need formal approval,
but it would be nice to go back to council and say, "Here's our plan for the year, >> right? >> And here's why it's important." And some of them aren't costing us anything and maybe thinking about how do we right, if we want more community engagement events, like how do we start to plan
when that looks like? I know everyone's summer gets busy and and start to think about what that would look like. I mean, I think it's just more kind of a plan for the year for us. >> Yes, >> I know. I know. We were waiting on the
Orno logo, which was um approved. Um and Kane has money for the um park signage, so I don't know where that's at, but he has a budget for some of that. we were waiting on the true logo to do some of those things, but I think the other pieces in there, right, we've talked
about the paving of the the trails. Um, we talked about a community engagement events. There's one about the American visibility um audit just to see where we would need
some kind of ADA standards to be upheld. We talked about walking past and like shady, but just trying to plan for the year so we're not um trying to do that at the end of the year and or scramble in the summer I think would be the the key and
if some of those things don't make sense we just cut them off too or something needs to be pulled forward. So, community engagement events would be in addition to uh national night out. I would think so, right? Because that's
more city versus parks and trails. >> No. >> Okay. >> I think in the survey, right, we um a lot of the comments from people that submitted was the parks are sporadically used. So maybe we plan some fun things
at a at a park um to get people to come and use it or I mean it doesn't have to just be like cleaning cleaning up activities. I mean that could be something that we just bring people out to a park to get them to understand all the different perks in Oronoo or do a
scavenger hunt or do some I don't know. I mean, I think if trying to get people out there and using it, I think would be something that we should continue to push. It probably doesn't cost anything. Again, we we have a little bit of budget, so we could do something fun. I
don't know. I mean, just trying to think about how we increase that utilization of >> I know we have those in the park. You know, I don't know if we had any last year or the year was the year before, but I know we could maybe not do something like that, but just do a, you know, a night where we would grill out,
you know, hot dogs, hamburgers or something for the community and the park, do that. Something like that might be kind of fun. >> Or even something as simple as an ice cream social. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, if we're just
spitballing here, how about this one? Yes. pickle ball tournament right out here. Sign up. There's money that you have to pay. It all goes to buying benches. >> That's how we start buying benches. >> And Jeff is going to lead that.
>> Sure thing. What's When do you want to do it? >> Tournament. >> Pickle ball tournament. We've got three pickle ball fresh pickle ball painted courts out here. >> I like it. >> When should we shoot for that? Give me a month. >> I know. I mean, >> July. Let's do I mean, we can just do
it, can't we? >> Yeah. We have the parks. We have to get the word out. So, let's do that. We'll talk about that. >> I'll get my wife involved. She plays that thing what times a day for five days. >> I know. >> My gosh.
>> And she's asked, >> she got put into the where they she's got to make all the reservations for all the courts. >> Oh my lord. >> And and yeah, it's something else. And now they're closing. >> Well, yeah, they closed yesterday. Um
the uh what's the name of it? >> Chip shots. >> Chip shots. Yeah. Yeah, because it was just the people that ran it. They didn't like take the money. They didn't >> I thought I was going to say open. >> Well, maybe it maybe it is March. I don't know. I thought it was March 1,
but I could be wrong. But either way, no. But they got the they've got the uh Homestead Medical >> Homestead Sports Clinic has got courts and I guess the college down there's got some really good inside courts and uh so
I think they might get them going. So I don't know. >> We need benches. >> Yeah, >> I think Chip Shots is until March. >> But um >> why why never mind >> the chip shots? I think what they had
trouble with, like he just said, she could bring five people and they would bring in 25 bucks and she would rent it for 30 and that's $55. But guess what? They don't go and buy beer. They don't go and buy lunch.
>> Oh, my goers. They get beer and pizza. >> I know, >> right? But they wouldn't really hang out there after. And they bring their own coffee and water and all the things. And so, yeah, that's what they were telling me. Anybody want? >> That makes sense. >> I can see
>> otherwise this parts were happening. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Where we at? Where's the park signage? I I obviously missed last meeting. So, >> so I think what has I think they're trying to get >> Wait, let me step back. >> Do you guys think that some of our signs
are even starting to get run down and so that's why we're >> figuring out how to replace them and then we got to get the new city logo in them and get them all to match. But they already match, I think. >> Well, >> I mean, Jeff and I, we perused that and
they didn't look that bad, but then we thought you could put a an attached sticker or something with the logo on it and then update whatever, you know, whatever rule change or whatever it is that you need to >> Were we thinking that we wanted more
directional signage for something? >> That was part of it. Yeah, we went to some like for for the walking trails at least at Orin Oakco Park there's you kind of have to guess >> where the trail start small trail. >> It's a small trail but it doesn't say go this way.
>> You know if you've lived here doesn't say it ends >> you know that you walk down that little hill past the campground and there's where the dog poop bags are and >> yeah that's all you get. You don't get a little map, >> right? Because a map would be good because at some point
there was like a a big circle and then there was a >> there was two inter interconnecting circles. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because I well you know that's years ago since I GPSed them and we put them on the website but
>> so that Yeah. So that's what's happening with that um $10,000 request. >> Sorry. I was just curious. >> Yeah. That's coming out of Kane's budget though for the overall signs. >> So, it's not something we have to pony up no money for.
>> If we want like directional signs, I don't know what what he'll have left. Um, that may be something that we would need to either budget for or use our discretionary funds for because that wouldn't cover those. But the overall signs I think the
plan is to get all new ones and and they would be same look, same color, same size >> and just with the new logo so it just kind of starting fresh. >> I have talked to Kane about putting a
scannable code on there >> to bring up a map or >> It could bring up a map. It could bring up if you want to reserve the park. You could even do things like it needs maintenance, right? There's trash or the >> sure >> bench is broken or whatever and they
could submit a service request that can or the city would get. Um maybe you could even go as far as little historic information about the park or fun things that we do there. I mean I think once you scan it, you could do a lot of
different things with that scannable code and those don't cost very much. Yeah, >> we would just need to make sure that we would have a process in place like if you can submit like an issue request that it's set up for someone submitted
to the right people. >> Yeah. >> So that may be something we want to talk to Ken a little bit about about like how do we have some scannable codes? What do they think from a public works perspective that they want to have on there?
And maybe Parker Parks wants a reservation process. I want to reserve this park. Here's how you do it. Here's the fun things that are happening. Like a perk calendar or something. I don't know. So, but I think the plan is to get all new
signs um across the board. This is weird. So, I clicked on Alice Park to see all the pictures. And then it says you've been invited to Alice Park. You can view the album or
That's weird. I don't that when you're just trying to look at something. I don't know. I think it might Let me just do it. I just Okay. So, then it's loading the album and showing maybe the contributors to it. I don't know.
Um, yeah. But when you guys looked at the signs, they all look fairly similar, don't they? >> Yeah. For the most part, except for the giant sign in front of or in Oak Park. That's kind of hideous, I think. >> Yes. >> Yeah. You don't like
>> it's like I >> see >> we had some junior high or middle school kids painted which is fine but we wanted to put a better face on it I think. >> Sure. So that Okay. So that could be one
of the first ones that gets designed and put in or something. Right. >> You could put a nice flower planter under it. Maybe trim a branch or two away from it. We used to big branch was hanging in front of it. Has that been cut off?
>> Easy to drive right past. I think the other thing it's on that next page about developing a standard for investments into the park um versus new developers donating the land. They need to have green space and so
I don't think we have authority um to do that. However, I've brought it up at city council a few times and conversations as we work on the zoning codes and I think there is um support to
ensure that it's a financial investment versus a land >> investment because we don't need we don't need any more parks right now. And so I think that is what's being planned forward. That hasn't went through city council yet. Um but I think everyone is
well aware that we don't need more parks to maintain. Um so we would just ask for a financial donation in lie of that for any new developers. So the developments that are going now we can't change that or we can't hold them accountable. Um
but any new developers we would we would um hold them accountable in that space. So I think that last one's kind of in the works already. we wouldn't need that $1,000 for legal because we are looking at zoning costs um and zoning codes right now. So, it's actually pretty good
timing to do that. >> Oh, there's an engineer working on paths for the I assume Lake Shady Park is the old lake bed. >> Yeah. >> And but there's there's poorer access to it. Yeah, I think we put that on there
with some of the work that Ryland was doing for that master plan, but we haven't I don't I'd have to ask, but I don't think there's any >> stand tech urgency there >> costs. And again, if they have and that might be an opportunity to think about
cringing in that space, you know that we probably wouldn't want to pave. I don't know, maybe you would pave in that space that's wet land. I don't land I don't know. kind of questionable whether or not that's reasonable. >> I mean, I know they mow it, but
>> yeah, >> we may want to think ask Ryland next time he's here what he thinks about that. I think we put that on there because I know there was work on the master plan, but I don't honestly I don't know where that's at. So >> that might be something we push back or
they got >> I guess if there were unlimited funds >> or something. But >> I know Joy, you talked about um in your email back to me about getting like motion lights and security at the parks.
I think that is probably something we should think about um to we don't have the funds so we'd have to budget and or look at grant funding but I do think having some type of lighting situation andor security
cameras out there. Some of the parks are quite remote. Um and I know that was mentioned in the survey that you know at dusk it does feel a little eerie to be down there. Um, >> well, and for some reason they're advertising that Forano Park is open
8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., but I thought all the parks closed at dusk. >> It should be at dusk, but >> and but what does that really mean in a city environment? Like, you know, >> and who's enforcing it? I mean, I guess it would be sheriff >> if they're driving through and people
are out there. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know again for the like security aspect I don't know I mean we could look at grant funding of what that would mean we could work with and I know city hall is getting new security systems
um the nice thing with that security is they have a lot of like add-on so you could have it all under the same company but again there's costs for some of those things I could ask Jason if we wanted to put some of those at parks like what would we be talking
again any grant opportunity we might have to match funds. Um so we might not be able to do that depending on the cost. Um so that may be something that we need to maybe raise up from a 2028 goal to
this year and or next year. I don't know with the ambient lights, you know, what people want to see extra lights, but I really think even you talked about it at our age
friendly meetings is the fireworks. When you're leaving the fireworks, what's the lighting like when you leave there to try to walk back to your car and it's it's dark? Um, you know, just some thoughts about that, the safety.
Um, I don't know how big a problem Orno Park is anymore for they were having problems with drugs, people hanging out there, if lights make it easier for them to to be there or not. So I don't know if there studies
but for the safety is kind of some thoughts about having some lights in some of the areas that are hard harder terrain than just flat. >> Yeah, lights are a pro and a con, right? You have them there. People may stay
longer than they're welcomed or you see them when they're not supposed to be there. motion and they they're going to only trigger when they're there and that might make them nervous so they scatter and get out of there too. So >> then it goes back to dark. So I don't know. That's an idea.
>> The building has motion sensor lights. >> Yeah, they do. >> And we've tried to have meetings there. >> I know. If you're not moving, they toilet again. >> You're sitting in the dark. >> Yeah, that was tricky. I could just ask Jason if we said, you
know, we wanted to do some type of security on the parks. What I mean, I don't even know what that would cost with the new package that he's buying. Just to get us something to think about. I mean, I know that would be cameras. I
don't know if they install lights, too, or we do something different, but I don't even know what that would even look like. I'm um I wonder I mean security is a really general word. Um what is the
uh you know I guess what are the incidents is it and I don't mean I'm not trying to undermine people's fear of insecurity um but do do we have um I say an actual problem or is it right now a perception of a problem?
I don't I don't think it's a it's a problem. There's probably people that later down there that may have just you want to stay longer, but I don't think there's a a problem just based on what the deputy shares with us. I think it's
making sure that people feel comfortable there. um >> because do we want I mean I um I'm familiar with Rochester parks and I don't know if all of them close at dusk but that you know if people are in after
dusk it's going to be scary and I I um don't if we have lighting I'm not sure if we're just encouraging um more scariness you know to to keep people in a park or not keep but to welcome people in a park after dusk.
I so my point is I'm just when we talk about security what are we you know if there's cameras who's watching them how long you know that I mean there's um there's all kinds of questions and it's like I'm just I'm guess I'm asking specifically what are we addressing um
>> I think it would be I think it would be cameras and it would be alerts to the city administrator who would then if if they're doing something they shouldn't then it would be a call to the sheriff to address. I think the other thing we
could think about as we make more investments in the park, maybe that's the time we install cameras for vandalism or other things. So, if we're catching people wrecking things, right? Having some of that security footage will will help. And maybe we do it as we
put more money into the parks >> versus have to spend it all right now. That could be another approach. >> Yeah, I guess I would feel more comfortable if we were responding to something specific um than than just that and and can't you
know if there's cameras then is somebody watching them and if there's nobody watching them do you give a false sense of security? Well, we already have cameras out there, so it just be a matter of probably making them more efficient if they are in the same
what would it be? System. >> Okay. Uh, so who is somebody watching them or is it just recording? >> Yeah, the the public works staff checks them now and then. Some of them do come right to the computers here, I think, at city hall. But I also think it is one of
those, you know, you go out there and you see something and then you can rewind and go back to see who was in there when that happened. >> The new the new software that will be installed in city hall and around fire and around city hall will actually
trigger alerts to like Jason. Um >> again, I don't know if we'd want to go that far. So Jason would get all these alerts for animals and other things in the park. Um maybe maybe you want I don't know >> the dear
>> and I guess my my point only is um I'd be more comfortable if we were responded to something specific than sort of just increasing security when you know in general I I don't know um just I just you know um I would hate to put in
cameras and and then have it like be too many you know uh alerts to somebody or that you know bad things happen and and nobody's watching the film or you know I um just just that we we were responding I just would feel more comfortable if we were responding to something
specifically that's all >> yeah I there were some neighbors that next to oral park that had mentioned there were some problems down there now whether it was in the past or if it's a ongoing problem >> park had the same issue years a few
years ago with >> people hanging out and doing unknown things. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I I'm certainly not against it. I I just I worked with with security
issues and they they are um you know there's there's many colors of security issues. >> I don't I don't think it would take away I don't think it would it would again we'd have to make sure that we're communicating. It wouldn't say that this
is real time surveillance. If something bad happens, it's going to call someone and you're going to get help. Like that's not the I don't there's not that liability from the city that we would someone would be botching it 24 by7. This would be
this would be more of a a reactive view of some of those things in case there was vandalism and or something happened. So, it wouldn't it wouldn't be real time surveillance, like I fell down and I don't have my phone. It's going to call for help for me. That wouldn't be the
>> the plan. >> Yeah. And and maybe for the neighbors who were reporting um suspicious activity, that could be a great place for a camera. >> All right, Jason. July pickle ball tournament. Watch out. All right. Well,
I haven't brought that to council yet. >> Oh, am I supposed to tell him? >> True. I haven't brought it out of this committee yet. We'll talk about that later next month. >> Pickle ball paddle all taped up. Is this right? >> Late July, probably.
>> What do you think, Don? Pickle ball. >> I'm now a player, but I I'm not ready to enter a contest, so I'm I'm happy to help get the track warning or help get the court worn in. Cool then.
All right. Well, is there anything that um anyone else wants to visit about this evening or shall we um come back and April? I think we have two things we're bringing
to council. The Pine Island baseball and the burn burn. And then Don, you're going to get park signs ordered so that they can be here when it's time. Um, we were we're
curious about a flag pole at Oak Park and the actual flag to be done right away. I just something that's >> something to keep an eye on though. >> Something in in the plan staff. Maybe
the BFW has flags can get you. >> Well, I think we can get a I think we can get a good flag. Yes, we need a >> Yeah, the Lions Club would be the flag. >> Oh, yeah. >> Flag providers. I think they already do it. >> Well,
whoever set up camping, I think it needs a new pole down there. It's just rust and it's got a terrible rope on it. >> Does it? You know, I don't think it does. >> Yeah, it's
>> not investigations of flag display. >> Yeah, they get >> Well, according to the website, it's open till 1000 p.m. So, I could drive through there on my way home. There you go.
What kind of lighting it has? All right. Well, oh my gosh, there's no calendar. >> Nothing >> because, you know, we don't use them anymore really anyway. Why does this look bumpy? >> Anyhow, all right. So, who can help me
with the April date? What's it going to be? >> April 6th. >> April. >> April 6th. Okay. Um, so our next meeting will be April 6. And
you guys want me to make motion? >> I'll make a motion to >> make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> The same sign. All right. We got an 848 this time. Maybe something like that.
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