Fantastic. Well, welcome everyone. Here we go. So, we're in February. So, that's pretty wild. Um, so today we have
Justin, Katie, Kevin, Joy, and Lee. And I hear someone else coming. I know that Don will be absent. All right, let's see who's coming in here. Might be need a chair over there.
Or actually, it might be Jason's going upstairs. That'd be a good guess, too. Okay. So, um we are following the January agenda mainly because it didn't work out for me
to >> Oh, good. It didn't work out for me. We um made one. >> Uh can you pass me those? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Mhm.
>> Um, how do I want to do this? >> Yeah, Ryland will come and things like that. Okay. >> Welcome. You made it here earlier than I expected. Okay. Nice work. >> All right. Um, Ryland will be here in a
while, he said. So, um, I have an email that I'm trying to pull up from him. Um, okay. So, we're using the January agenda and it would be very similar to
um if I had time to fix it to a February one. So, um did did you guys get a chance to see the January um minutes? They were only sent this afternoon. So, I'm I'm willing to read
through them if you guys want me to. So, trying to figure out why this isn't any anybody have the January. Yeah, January minutes. You got them? >> Y, >> you got them?
>> Okay. Um, does anyone want me to read through them or are we okay? We're okay. All right. Looks like I'm gonna have to use my phone. Okay. Does anyone have anything to add or adjust?
to go January 5th. I'll make a motion to approve the January 5th minutes. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. Oppose. Same sign. >> All right. Welcome, Ryland.
>> You're here earlier than I thought, too. So, nice work, you guys. Thank you. >> All right. So, I apologize. I didn't get an agenda going. Um, but if we pretend this is a the February
one, is there anything that we we want to >> just noteaker? Yeah. >> Okay. Noteaker giving me a heart attack. That's >> all right. Um, can you guys think of anything that
needs to be added to this? Because did we not talk about >> Well, I guess we could just do it under two. >> So, we were going to talk about the Lions Club and it's
not he's in on vacation so he won't be here. So, he asked that to March. >> We just speak to it just >> Yeah. I mean, sure, we could look at it, right? When we get to Oronoko Park. >> Yep. So, let's just look at it,
>> but um Okay. And then I think the other other thing was the benches >> and um >> locations of benches. And then >> I know we talked about it last time that um
the city council approved 6,500 for paving trails. So again, I know we talked about we can either >> is that a 65,000 >> or 65,000. What did I say? 100 65,000. Yeah, that's a little bit different. >> Tighten our bills. >> We can pave this much. Um we can either
pave one, wait um or do a combination of that. So again, I think we need to figure out what's the plan for are we going to save that money and wait till we have funding for all of the the paths? Are we going to pave Ornoo Park? Are we going to pave maybe one of the
ones by Riverwood um hills? So, we just maybe need a decision of what we want to do with that. >> So, that would be just for an agenda item. Yep. Now, for discussion, right now >> just to add to the agenda. Yep. >> Yeah. I have a feeling Riley might be
helping us with some information with that right now. >> So, okay. I'm like looking at an email sideways. Okay. So, would anyone like to approve the agenda?
>> Make agenda or I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll second it. >> Hey. And I don't know that we really have any public forum right now. Um, so
yeah. Okay. So, I just have a question for everybody. >> Oh, what do I got? Oh, >> all those in favor say I. >> I post same sign. Okay. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I have a
quick question that that is in regards to the next tracks. Um, we've just kind of given up, right? Like if I have plastic, >> don't worry about it. >> Um, and do we even have an old >> It's on there. Yeah, it's it should be.
>> Yep. Okay, fantastic. Okay, so moving on. Um, benches. So, we have some information that was sent to us. Um, Maria, are you Yep. available to Yep. You guys, please. >> Yep. So, um, thanks for sending me what
you guys think of the benches. I know we had about four different options. So, based on the individual responses, the first choice was the six foot um, willow part plastic bench. So that's like the wood looking one. Um those are probably
going to cost about maybe $800 plus maybe shipping. Um again, they seem pretty durable, low low maintenance because they're the um truck decking. They're almost truck decking wood. Um
again, I think they're they're probably well suited for long-term use along trails. The second choice was the six-foot expanded steel bench. So that has the rubbery um kind of mat um on them. Those are about six or 761 plus
shipping. >> I looked at that website today. >> Y >> and those when you kind of put your you know what you're looking at they're over $1,200. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> And so >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Even with this Oh, okay. because when I pulled it there were 671 but
>> oh we can look at it a little bit but >> I think Kane too uses that pilot rack so I wonder if they get like a discount or something because um Kane sent me a brochure okay >> of that but I we can well we'll have to make sure if that's the one we want to
go with that we get actual prices so people know >> again I think they're both really great options they seem pretty durable Um again, I think what we would look to this committee is to endorse the bench
um that we would want and then we would want to think about where do we place them. Um so either businesses or residents or whoever um could pick where they're going to put a bench. Um, so in that slide deck on slide six is just a
blank template where Kane um helped me draw the trails um that we could look at and try to identify some locations. We could even pick, you know, a few that are as we roll this out that we maybe have 15
options and we can continue to expand or however we want to do it too. Were you a little concerned right now about putting the benches on some of the obviously Riverwood Hills because of what's going to happen with the trails
and then even or local park we need to discuss with Lions Club potentially about you know what they would like to do. Um so I was thinking I mean for now just maybe installing a few around parks equipment. >> Sure. Um,
>> yeah, I think that makes sense to not offer them if we're going to think about paving because I'd hate for it to be paved where the trail is now and then you're, you know, a foot or two off the the trail. >> I know the ones at River Park are just flat a flat bench that it's around. I
mean, so, and they're, you know, they're getting a little run down. So, >> Yep. >> something we could initially do. Yep. >> Put the benches where people are going to use them first. Yeah, for sure. Yep. So again, I think based on recommendation, it would be that plastic
um Willow Park um bench based on we I mean you were we're off by one vote, so they're basically this the same. >> I did have the one question. Are the plastic ones going to be as durable in
an area that's flooded versus the plastic covered metal or steel frames? And so that was just my question. If they be as durable, if it's flooded, do they wash as well? I don't have an opinion. Just
as >> they mount them like they mount them down pretty good. So, I don't know. >> I would say either of them are going to move if they're But I don't know about sitting in water what it would do. >> That was my question.
>> Yeah. >> Within plastic, it it wouldn't affect it as much as if it was a full wet or wood bed. >> Yeah. I like the wood bench to sit on versus
the plastic or you know the holes to sit on. >> Maybe the one con of the plastic one is graffiti, right? People could scrape into it where the the steel one you're not scraping much. You probably could
peel the outer coating off eventually, but just something to consider. I would hope that wouldn't happen, but um those where you have the plaques you could probably scrape into or stick stickers to or you know, so that may be a con
against those. Just something to consider too. the picking table, especially down in River Park where it does flood, the picnic table, which is a steel one mounted, it it will take it doesn't take
logs hitting it empty because we've replaced benches. Sometimes we replace the whole table, just the bench seat, it's all it takes. >> Plastic wouldn't >> Yeah. >> farewell down there in the yards.
Yeah. >> And maybe that's where we I mean it'd be nice to put benches all over, but we know if that's going to flood, maybe we are really select about what's down there. >> It'd be nice to have a bench along that trail. >> Yeah,
>> there's a picnic table there now >> use. So, it's not very comfortable either. >> Yeah. I mean, the other thing you could think about is in that location, maybe you just do like a cement like block, you know, a big one where it's and you don't have a back, but it's just a I
mean, that's not going anywhere. But I don't know. >> Uniformity, that would be one place where a steel would match the steel table or local park. Everybody else could use something different to come.
So I think first was let's pick a bench that we would like to endorse and then we could spend some time thinking about where we would want. >> Yep. So again, people could scrape their initials in it or their love, you know,
heart with their lover's name on there. I don't know, whatever. Or put a sticker on it. I mean, so that could be a an issue. Um, I think they both kind of have pros and cons. I know some of the steel ones if they get hot, they get sticky.
>> Yeah. >> Sometimes the the coating kind of comes off. So, >> was this 60? It says $60 for mount kit. Was the mount kit to attach it to the ground? >> Yep. >> Okay. Yep. >> So, Kane said he'd put a cement pad underneath it so we wouldn't have to mow under it. And then the they're basically
like a U bracket that they just mount right into the cement. >> Okay. >> So, which one's the willow center? >> The Can you show it to the camera just for fun? >> I know. Where is the camera? Way up
there. >> Zoom in on it. >> No, I don't know what Jeff can do, but >> I don't know. You go hold it up in front of it. >> Fun. I don't know. Yeah, that looks really >> Why not? All right. >> Wow. Good thing you're tall.
>> That one, everybody. >> All right. >> To the left, to the right. >> Just stay right there. >> There's all the options. >> I love it. All right. Well, I make a motion to to recommend >> the What did you say? >> What? >> I said I think that's the first.
>> I agree. I would agree. But we super rely on this video. We really like it. It's helpful. >> Yeah. >> Super helpful. Um, so I'd like to make a motion that we recommend the six-foot Willow Park plastic bench um for moving
forward for um matching benches, I guess, right? >> Okay. Um, is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I post sign.
All right. Fantastic. So, it's going to be a matter of it all working out obviously, you know, it being available when Kane is ready for them. >> Yep. Um to get to placement,
are we supposed to do some math as to how many we can really work with right away? >> It was more so the incline, how many feet I think we had that in the past minutes, >> right? So,
>> but like can we can can we recommend two per park right now or no? What what is our plan? >> I don't >> I don't think we're at that point. >> I don't think we're at that where we >> I don't know as far as you know our
park. I think it behooves us to do a little more research exactly where we think think we would want want to put them. And then we want to start out with maybe one or two here. And um >> well, and are these these are not going
to be just the adoptive bench ones, right? Or are they? >> Um it could be either. I guess >> it can be both. >> Whatever. I would say if if Parks and Trails wants the city to purchase some of them, I think we would recommend that
it would be the same same style, too. Or if the Lions Club wanted to put more benches, we'd say this is the city style where we get them through. >> Okay. >> Any type of color? >> I just I had the brown kind of the cedar
with the black, but I mean there's lots of options. Yeah, those that's the one I was kind of looking at, but I mean >> that gives a nice rustic view. >> Yeah. Does anyone have any other recommendations or do we like the laugh
and see this? >> I think this what Marie suggested. I think it sounds fine. I think what Kevin said too, maybe where we could walk the areas to see where it's
recommended on the paper is one thing. We could see that. But to actually go see, oh, there's a tree there. We can't place it there or maybe it's would make more sense over here. >> It's a little more slanted than, you know, it's not as flat as you were
thinking. >> Those kind of things. I think that's behooves us to well when it warms up a little bit we can go out and do a little and check check out the areas. I think the other thing we could do in the meantime is start to um communicate about this
program out to um the residents and maybe they can just say like what park they would be interested in and maybe have them meet out there and say, "Okay, here's maybe some placement. Where do you I mean, so again, it could be more interactable." Um because I don't even
know. Again, I don't I've had a few people reach out saying they're they're willing to to do one. So maybe we just start to get the message out and saying we'll continue to work on actually defining where they need to go, but just get some numbers of where
people are interested in doing it if they're still interested in doing it too, >> right? Because they can't place them right now anyway. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Y don't even know the turnaround time to order to get them either. I don't know.
All right. So, that's something that we have to Is that something that would go to city council or not? >> We can just put it as a FYI. >> An FYI. >> Yep. >> So, how does that happen? Do you >> Yep. I can I can send it to Rachel.
>> Thank you. And then maybe the ask from city council would be to start um with a communication out to residents of the program and just start to get some interest started and have people reach out if they're interested. >> Great.
>> Well, thank you. >> With you being here tonight, does that mean they kept you on fancy trails? >> Yeah. with me. >> Good. >> No, nothing changed for anybody, I don't
think. >> Kind of easier sometimes, isn't it? >> Y getting your feet wet. Exactly. >> Yep. For sure. >> All right. Um, so
I wonder if maybe now is a good time for for Ryland to do his thing, but I think he's making copies for us. >> Thanks. >> Can we talk about the lion's part? >> Yeah, let's do that >> as while he's finishing up. Um,
>> yes. I I don't feel the need that we have to go into it in detail since um we're not here to discuss it. But perhaps Kevin, you can help me. I know
that the Lions were active in the city of Oronogo 25, 30 years ago. I almost think the Carol Cen Park was called the Lions Park >> before it was named the Carol Cen Park.
I can't say for sure, but it almost seemed like and I don't know if we were on >> this that >> Yeah, >> that's not registering with me, but that's >> but I remember and I don't know if it's the Lion's Park because you see Lions
Park around the different cities or if it was the Orin Lions Park. show that just starts my head thinking, what if the lions no longer are active in or no, which I hope will never happen, but it
what if it happened? Then do we go back, have another resolution and call it back to oral park? That was just my one question on that. I would say that would probably be the process if they were no
longer wanted to help support that. I mean, that would be a conversation here and then a recommendation to council, which it could happen. I mean, even if they don't exist, maybe that they don't want to have that partnership. I don't know why, but um it could happen.
>> And if they're going to do that, will they have the lion's emblem on the park sign? Um, >> and who will pay for that? >> I would say they probably would. They would probably do that. I I don't know. That would be a question for Steve. I
would assume they'd probably want the emblem on there. I don't know. >> Yeah, >> that was just a couple questions that I thought just to kind of get us thinking. Yeah, >> that >> I think the other thing we've talked about is like just signage and having
like a a QRL code on there and that might be really cool for that park where it could talk about the Lions Club or you know and have some more information that is specific to the Lions Club and if you want to join here's how you get in. I mean so they could really use that scannable code for a lot of things for
Lions Club and you know and and maybe that would suffice having their emblem on there. you could get the history and what they are up, you know, about if you scan it. I mean, that would be another opportunity to think about maybe we just want consistent signs, but if they want
some, you know, unique clients club of a scannable code that you could learn all about it >> and they're kind of adamant that they wanted to be renamed the Lions. >> I think that was Yep. Park,
>> not Oroninoco Lions Park, but the Lions Park. >> They wanted Oronoo Lions Park. Okay. Or what? >> Yeah. >> The Pine Island there. They have a a pretty good size Americans
club right on the one of on the shelter by Quick Trip, >> right? >> But then it's called I think it's called Pine Island Lions Club. The city. So >> yeah, I only just noticed that recently. >> Yeah, I just I think it behooves us to
at least >> when and however we decide to word that that Oronoko is still on that because >> it was Oronoko's park to begin with and and it still needs I think it still needs that foothold. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. And I think they agreed too. They don't want to take the full ownership of it because it's really a partnership. It's not them owning. It's not the city. I mean, the city ultimately is responsible, but >> I think they want to keep the the name, too. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yep.
And I think what I talked to to Steve a little bit about is just gave him all of the suggestions that we got within, you know, the survey and other things. And not that everything needs to live in Oronoko Park. we can still consider, you know, putting some of these things in
other locations. Um, and of course, some of these are more expensive than others. If you start to think about those long-term um opportunities in there, like the restroom, um, the splash pad, pickle ball courts, disc um, golf. They wanted to do like a
um, pedestrian bridge across the river um, bed. They talked about an amphitheater. So again, that's all they would have to plan and and do some of the fundraising. So it's not like something would happen quickly on any of those pieces and then they'd work with
this committee on what they're going to bring forward and what that planning would look like. But just some opportunities. I think it's really cool to to think about what they could do if they could do some of these pieces because you could really draw people into oral that may not live here um but
could use the park to do a lot of different things and maybe even year round um which would be exciting too. I think the parks are pretty dormant in the the winter um so I think there's an opportunity to think about you know what
it looks like year round usage too. So, >> so the only way to be fair with waving rental fees I I don't want to come up with this, but do we need to come up with something
that's like or maybe they could we could just ask them, you know, to prove how many volunteer hours have you put in at the park to to make up for not having to reserve it and pay for you know, because
we've we've kind of become more sticklers of not supporting um community organizations to be able to use space for free >> like the group. Even though there's a room named the seniors room and the seniors donated money,
>> the city council decided that they would still charge the seniors to meet here. So, there's that precedent. Yeah. >> And you know that was the city council's decision and we stand by it. But I see
what you're saying. >> The city determining that to forego the the fee on which I think is good on in support of that but then we need to look
at other community groups too. >> Yeah. You you were on council when they denied it. What was the main reasoning? >> They didn't want to set a precedence basically. But >> so are are they going to be okay with this or are they going to make >> Again, I think it's a topic of
conversation. Um see where it goes. >> Right. >> Again, my personal bias is I'm supportive of it if they're willing to to really enhance the park. Again, same thing with the the senior center. Um,
again, it's it would probably be three or four times, right? Because they're only going to use it when it's nice out. If it's cold and rainy, they're not going to use it, right? So, I mean, and it's going to be during the week, >> who else is going to run it? I mean, they could probably just go and meet down there and not tell anybody and no
one would be none the wiser. Um, but again, I think if they're willing to put an investment into Oronokco, I think my opinion would be that city council would support that and not charge them for something if they're going to put the manh hours and bring some money into it
to really enhance it that the city doesn't need to fund for. So >> matching the volunteer hours to offset the labor cost that Kane or anyone else public works is going to have to go through to collect trash and and pick up
after themselves. I think having that in the in the verbish would be pretty >> y and I know we talked about it but they want to discontinue camping which I don't think anyone would is going to have an issue but >> so I'd like to reward it in there. Okay.
>> I mean, in my opinion, it should just say keep it discontinued. >> Like, they're not it's presenting it as a new thing to discontinue it. >> Yeah. >> But the the only thing that had happened in the past was and we still don't know how long it's going to take
>> getting water and sewer down there. >> Water and sewer. >> There's there's water. >> We don't need to upgrade the facilities to be stools and have accessible as much as possible. Yeah, there's >> there's a couple other ways it can be
done. Um, one potentially is through the Zumble River Regional Water Trail. Um, if the site is selected and our plan is approved, we can submit funds to the Greater Parks Minnesota Commission to get funding to upgrade like talk about
the parking um access to the river, you know, do that format, whatever it takes upgrading the restroom facilities, that's a possibility. That's one possibility other than city
funding through CIP or something >> or through the Lion sale. >> And and that I mean I don't know if I have to be that picky about it. Like when I read this it makes it me think that they're the ones discontinuing.
>> Yeah. The reason I worded it that way is because camping is still on the fee schedule, isn't it? Or did we take it off? Camping. on the fee schedule >> off. >> Yeah. Is on there >> or took it off or we took it off this year? >> I thought we did. I just took it forward
right now. >> Okay. Let me look because I I I think I worded it that way because I thought it was still on the fee schedule. So, I'd like to just take that off. >> But yeah, if it's not on there, then maybe we'll just say
How come payments came up? What is that? >> Oh, no. I I think I've brought this up before, but I think I I just would like to see and maybe how we could research it, but find out
exactly what year the restrooms were built down there because I and and I've said it before, but I' I'd like to see that somehow incorporated, making it accessible for handicap and
stuff, but that that stone building down there is is quite a thing. And I mean I guess I envision if if that goes away and you know there's not a lot of foundation for the and that foundation isn't the word I want but just for the
for the park itself you know the identity kind of you know it's it's it's got some age and it's got some beauty to it. >> So I don't anybody talking about getting rid of it. >> Yeah. No, I but there's talk that, you know, if he the renovations to make it
accessible, I would think it would be doable to make it. >> You may not have two or three stalls, but you may have one or two. >> Yeah. Just because the space it takes, right? >> Sure. And I think what what I talked to Steve about um and we'd have to figure out
what it would cost to do that. But in the spring really have um someone go out there and help draw like what that long-term plan would look like if they want to do an amphitheater. Like where would you put it? Where would you >> you know where would would you do
anything with the bathrooms? Like or would you take it down and use some of the stone differently and put you know again? So, like what does that long-term kind of plan look like? That would come with a cost because you'd need someone to help draw it up and do all that, >> which again, I think that would be a
conversation or, you know, is Lions Club going to help with that. >> Is that something the city needs to to um endorse things like that? But again, I think that was the the long-term plan is is in the spring actually having like a site walk through and >> what are the things you want? What's
your what's the, you know, short-term plan? What's the longterm plan? So, you would build something where you wanted the amphitheater to go or whatever they want to do as well. >> Yeah, I don't see it on there. So, we must have took it the camping off unless
I'm not looking for it. So, >> back to that the I know that there's sewer and water down there. Is the sewer actually hooked up to the facility the restrooms now? >> It's hooked up to >> Yeah, that's what I thought cuz I saw the tank. I saw a grinder down there. Yeah, >> side of it.
>> Yeah, I saw that. Okay. I just wanted to come confirm that. So, >> so like the waste water goes to the waste water or not yet. >> Yes, the sewer plant. >> There's a grinder station there. It empties. There's underneath this
restaurant right now there's a holding tank and that would typically before they filled it and they would pump it to a drain field to the grinder station. Interesting. >> But there's no flush toilet yet.
>> Okay. But the sinks the sink water. >> Yeah. That Well, that >> Well, the drain would go to the sewer. Yeah. >> Yeah. Interesting. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. So, we can change that to
it's not discontinued that we would just make sure that it's there's still no camping in there. Um, and then again, I think we would need Steve here in March to maybe vote vote on it. Um,
>> just so he can witness it better. >> Well, I would just hate for us to have conversations and he's not I mean, if they want a Lions Club emblem on it and we're saying no. I mean, just some of those pieces. I don't know their plans, so I don't want to bring it forward on his
behalf. >> Um, right. >> Sure. >> I apologize, but I'm still hung up on the waving the fee, and I just have to say that that I'm hung up on it. >> Okay. >> Um,
>> so right now it's $320. It's $35 >> for a rental. >> Yeah. for 12 months. They probably don't have it in the winter time, but that's >> Yeah, >> it'd be four months probably. I mean, realistically, nice enough that they
would be down there. >> Seven months. >> Yeah, because it's a deposit of 100 and then 35. >> Yes, $3,500. Awesome. Is there any talk about a contract
length of time or is just for forever? of them own like partnership for this. I think it's until we decide differently or they want out of it. >> I think it should be looked at over a period of time. >> Dealing with what I've had with our
companies, you need to put something timeline. >> Even if it's a review in 10 years, we stop, we'll review it, see where we're at. >> Because I think there needs to be a real strong liaison between the two. >> Yep. you know, they can't just run and do not but they will. But, you know,
when they do something, they got to report back and say, "Hey, we're doing this." >> Yeah. >> And vice versa. If we come forward and say, "We want this done." >> That's got to be communicated. It's going to take a lot of communication from that aspect. But you definitely want to review it. You don't want to just go endless with it because
>> No, even if it's five years, you might just come to a meeting and say, "Yep, looks good." >> Another five years. >> Yeah. >> So, >> I'd like that. Has this been reviewed by attorney? >> No. Not yet. >> We could do that, too. >> Anticipate anything, but we should probably just double check.
>> Yep. >> Yep. >> I I wonder how they did it in Pine Island. Do you know? You don't really know, right? >> Might have probably, >> right? I mean, it was just all of a sudden >> I think it's probably the same way they probably approached the city saying, "We're willing to
>> bring some money in to the park. We want this park. We want the name, you know, or so." I like it. >> Do we want to recommend that we would review it annually? Five years, three years. >> Five titans sounds good.
>> Yeah, I would agree on five. >> And then I think to have a leasan >> to come to the meetings. >> Yep. >> At least quarterly comes to a meeting or something >> updates it because you don't want him, you know, I think it's a great deal. I do, but it's like you don't want all of
a sudden nothing's being done for a year and here we said no, you know, no physical improvements for them cleaning up, which I'm sure they will, but you know, you want to make sure we stay on top of that. >> Right. >> As simple as that. >> And I'm kind of torn with the no fee too
in a way. you know there's a way you can do it which anytime you pay a fee then there's a little more oh I have to do something now you know instead of just regratus but I don't know how you do that in a situation like this and I'm like I say I'm not aware with what has
been done with our groups as far as paying to be either so it's interesting one to figure out so >> it it was until this year the senior's group was no charge >> okay then we to be an across the board thing
that at some point just say, you know, >> and I don't know. So, >> yeah, >> I think it's, you know, I think it's a consult decision because we did wave their fee for fireworks. They didn't pay a fee to use the park for fireworks.
>> So, >> but they were kind of doing the fireworks for the city, right? I don't know how to say that. >> It was it was sort of a promotional or a noco event. It was a communal gathering, intentional, bring everyone together.
So, we were able to kind of see it there. But there there's things to be discussed for sure about >> expectations. >> Yeah. >> And how often would somebody be coming down and using the park >> on a week night would they have to
reserve? >> Yeah, they're probably not doing it in prime time, >> right? It's during the week. Maybe even during the day, you know, I mean, so yeah, it's exciting though. I like it. >> I think that's an excellent point to me. I think they should, even though they're
saying that use it once a month on Wednesday, but if they're going to do anything differently, they need to go through the uh through the office to schedule it. >> Yeah. >> So, we're not renting it out when they're using it. >> We still need to have some >> Yeah. troll, but I guess it is because we it's
still the still the city park, so we're sharing it, but at the same time, we we rent it out to everybody plus the lights. >> Yep. Yep. >> They would just have sort of like a like a front of the line to
reserve it. It's really >> Yeah. for their Wednesday night. Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So we'd put that on the the calendar that it's reserved. So no one could reserve it for them. But again, I think they know that it would get reserved for other things and they have
no say in that. They would go through >> the regular kind of process. And that person giving back to us, you know, they agreed for what they to spend some money to. So >> it's not like we're not getting anything for the loss of of the waiverss because
they are donating their money to it as well. They even talked about helping at the park for picking up trash and you know doing some of that. So again if you think about the cost I mean that's not public works doing it anymore. It would be Lion's Club kind of doing some of
that. I mean the ultimate kind of upkeep of it would still be public works but I think they've talked about different volunteer events where they could help you know restore the the water line or pull weeds or whatever too. Um,
so I think that I mean that speaks a lot of just wanting to see that park grow. They talked about on the top of the second page to volunteer support for seaw wall removal, landscape restoration, city approval. So that needs to be worked out from a liability
standpoint. Residents really can't go in there and start working with the public work. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we would make sure that before anything started that we've all been looped in.
Okay. Well, is there any other discussion on this or we can look forward to visiting with Steve when he comes? Yep. March. Okay. Is this a good time Ryland to visit
about the information that you got >> on the paths? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. for those that need to hear on each sheet identify the cost from the letter that Joe had in his memo.
>> Thank you. reference maybe the second paragraph the options that you hear. Well, I'm really excited that we were able to get some money in the CIP. This is something I've been wanting to do for
about 10 years. So, you see parents pushing a baby stroll through the gravel. You know, that's work. So, And the paved path we have right now from distance lane down to the
playground area there is very well used walking and running. So it's just a plus. So So there's three opportunities here. There's a path one and path two which is in the park itself. It's green and orange.
And um the again these are estimates that Joe has put together with some 10% contingency factor and also the injuring services once they start looking at how much is it going to take. So you know that I would
I would say the injuring services is probably pretty close because they're Santech and they did the design work. The design work is an 8ft path. It's up on top here 8 foot width with drainage. U it' be well done with 8 inches of rock underneath it. So it's not like we're
just putting it on grass. So and there is u some gravel there already in a lot of places. So it's the u contingency factor the 10%. We don't know where the bids are going
to come in at but we think it's a good time to do it now versus late in the summer when people can start raising the prices to get to work. So going into work this kind that's why trying to push us along as we can go get estimates
right away here for spring and leather May and June we can hopefully get some good estimates. Um so one is the longest path and it's $59,800. Path number two is from Sunny View all
the way the orange over to the um where the road splits around to the lift station and connects with the path that's there that goes on to slain. And then the number three on the street by itself is the one in Oakland Park
which is 10,384 estimated but the total almost 13,000 for what's in blue. future path could be something date later on too.
So in Joe's email he talks about looking at we have 65,000 in the CIP program. So we can't do everything which is great but we could the parks committee can make some recommendations either doing
one and three which is the big long one in verb hills and the parks or do two and three which is the orange one and the park. One thought that
they probably already is the Lions would be interested in if we were doing one and three like 70 72 73,000 if that's what the figures came in as I
think it could be less >> but then between the 65s and 72s to 7,000 something less than that that lines we figure work towards paying for that path. It's possibilities. >> Yeah. Right away. So,
we have 65,000 to work with. Are we allowed to recommend doing something for 72,000? Like, how does that work? >> Uh, well, I think you should talk to to the Lions before we do that. >> Yeah, I agree. They agree. Neither buy it if that's something they would
entertain. I think you could always get bids, right? And if they're high and we don't I mean we don't do it, right? >> So So we are allowed to get bids for these three paths. Is that accurate or are we not allowed to get bids for all three?
>> So we know we can't do all three. >> So we're just waste of people's time to give us both for three, you know. >> Okay. >> But I do think two is very very responsible to do give us ideas. I think the other thing we talked about
was maybe we keep that money in CIP and then ask for another 65 next year and then have and do it all, you know, but I mean again you could do sections or you could keep it in there,
save it, do it all in 2027. I mean that would be the other option is we just keep it. But >> that's a one way to look at it because you like to combine make it worth the contract and the time to come out here. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Especially in Riverwood Hills, you know. I mean, I guess you probably could do one or the other, but like the green one, it would be weird that they'd come in and do it and stop. Like maybe the orange one would make more sense because it actually already connects to
the concrete pass down there. Is this is this the the park right here? >> The park's right here. >> Yeah. So, it'd be nice to at least have some accessibility to that >> because these are already paved here. >> But again, if you think about it, right, they're coming in potentially twice in
that area. I mean, maybe they don't care, but I guess that's our our decision as a perks of what we would recommend. >> I guess we're not we're not guaranteed to get that additional funding next year. >> That's true. So
>> the prices Yeah. prices go up too good. >> So fuel prices are coming down. So that's a pleasant price of asphalt still going up. >> I know that works like from the guy I was just talking with last week. It's like the wise person.
>> There's the pros and cons of doing it. The pro would be again capture the money while you have it. you know, you have that money. Um, maybe catch it before the price goes up and then also give
something concrete to the residents. >> Yeah. >> So that they can see where their tax money is going. >> Yeah. Y >> not just in salaries and on the roads. It's something
>> that we can actually see. >> I think we should really just get the bids regardless get it going because then >> we can always like we say just say no we can't. But >> we could ask for the three bids and pick the best two. >> Yeah. I think, you know, but we
I'd like to hear Joe's response to that, but maybe it's not that big a deal to ask three on something very appears to us to be simple, but >> well, and this well that LCCMR stuff that that's out there, that wouldn't be
until 2027, but some of this wouldn't that apply to that? >> It wouldn't. There's a that LCCMR grant funding thing, but >> all dedicated to the river trail project
original river. >> That one's for that. >> Yeah, Jason sent out another one. It's called legislation, citizen commission of Minnesota resources. So, there was um there's an RFP process. Um, but yeah,
it would be 2027. I don't know when I read through it. >> Yeah. What did you think? >> I thought you could cuz it did talk about um like making sure that parks and and some
of that is like ADA and accessible. So, I think you could go that way. Um, again, we could get bids and we could do this. um as well from a grant and if we get the money then we can use the money. I mean again it's earmarked
for that but we can always bring that back. But I even thought of like we could talk about in that application just the ADA accessibility around all our parks and paving our I said paving our pathways.
Um, I mean the other thing there was improved visitor navigation and signs and trail markings and educational modules, public safety. So I was thinking about like solar powered lights. Um,
different our outdoor equipment that we didn't get, we could put that in there. Um, but reading through the the grant, it kind of was a lot of different things. So, I think you could potentially use
some of the paving of the trails on just true accessibility for all. Um, but we'd have to get bids regardless. Um, so it probably doesn't change the topic for for Ryland, but I do think that Grant you could write it
for a lot of different things that we've been trying to do. the LCCMR because we used it for for some river regional water trail project and uh because we had we had shown um support financially from
the the counties. >> Oh, sure. >> And so in this case they for the LCCR they'd like to say I think it's 25% or some type of um support and financial aid. Just you can't just well ask for it. You have to have demonstrate some
>> financial support too. Yeah, I think it was 25%. >> So, >> but what's 25% of 13 32 if we said you wanted to pay the whole thing? Whoops. 46.
>> No, 36. >> So, our CIP funds would cover that. >> And the deadline is March 18th or 31st. I'm I'm confused on this because it says that November 19 funding priorities
determined then January 7 is RFP issued. So that means that the RFP is available to fill out. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. It's a process. >> Oh yeah. Request for proposals is now open.
>> Okay. And then March 18 is when they want final submission deadline for proposals. And I mean haven't we been I mean, we've been successful with LCCMR funds before. >> The only one I'm aware of.
>> What's that? >> This is the only one I'm aware of. >> Well, like I think that's how we got all the signage and whatnot for the Zumbra watershed partnership. >> Well, that was through >> supporting things. >> Yes, that was through a program that somebody used for the LCC more funds.
Yes, you're right. >> Yeah. I don't know. But um do do we do you do are you interested in helping us fill that out? Yeah, because that's the one that J has Jason found two things or just the
>> just that one that I saw. >> Okay. >> Again, I would want to know what our scope is. I mean, when you read through it, it's pretty much anything. Everything. >> Yeah. >> Agricultural. Um >> I heard you say agricultural. >> Yeah. I mean because it talks about land
energy, water and and fish and wildlife. >> Okay. >> Education and outdoor recreation >> water. >> Resiliency. >> Yes. >> I mean they have
like eight different kind of evaluation criteria. So I think anything that we've been talking about could almost fit in many of those categories. Um, >> and then can we ask for like
140 which would include the trails and the benches or how does that work? >> I mean, you could ask for whatever. I mean, so if if we said we need a match of 25%. If we just paved these, that would be 33.
So, we'd still have um 31 32,000 left in the CIP funds. >> So, that's quite a quite having gone through it two years ago. There's a you give a presentation in June to
everybody. They all everybody gives a presentation and they pick. So, there's different categories too. >> Yeah. of um so you have this first go around of and then you're chosen and you give a second presentation
and before they do the selection in November that's where you finally hear that it's going to be approved to look at being put in the legislative bill. So it goes to the Cong it goes to the legislature in January part of a LCCMR
bill with all the other projects and then that money is awarded one July 2027 then. So >> so you can put >> you lose a year and a half you lose a year and a half of time here to
>> Yeah. It's Yeah. >> Yeah. By the time you start you have a couple years to use it too. >> July 1st, 2027 is when you could start using it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you get that far. >> So maybe we need to think about what's in our 5 10 year plan. That would make
more sense than the immediate paving. Again, we would have to make sure we'd have funding to support that. >> Well, and how did we get the 65,000? You you guys say that it's in CIP. >> Yep. >> Um
which what is that called again? uh community investment or improvement. >> Improvement >> CIP. What is that again? >> Capital improvement project. >> Yeah. >> So, are there other obviously there's
other projects in the city that >> Oh, yeah. in every M I don't I don't think we post that on the website what the CIP budget is but there's we put 262,000 into the CIP
103,000 goes to the fire department for turnout gears radios are the two big items maybe one more oh fire truck >> lease payment 38,000 >> so that was probably the biggest majority of that public works has some
money went into it. Um, parks and trails >> look it as like a savings account like you're saving for a larger project versus you're going to spend it in the next year's budget. So, it's not a line in in the budget. It's kind of in a well, it is in a separate account that
again to use it, you'd have to come through city council and pull out of that. So, it's not something like a budget line item that you can go spend. There needs to be a conversation. So, it's almost like your savings account. Are streets and roads in there, too? >> Yeah.
>> Yes. 43,000. >> Yep. 43,000. >> Yes. And we have >> city there was a one-time legislative back in 2024 had a one-time uh legislative build, a small city assistance under 5,000. And
so we gotund 181,000 U. So we're using 43,000 of 180. Is that right? So we used 50,000 of them already. So the 43,000 supplements the balance of what was left was 181,000.
I guess >> that's why we have now a five-year payment program for all the streets. uh in Orlando. So we have a every year we're going to do certain street. This year we're going to do um fifth street like shady frontage road
with seal coating. I think >> I'd have to look at the map. >> Every year is like 200,000 that we go through and upgrade all of our streets over next five year time frame. >> So much every year and that's just we don't want to get behind in our street maintenance and that's one way to kick
off by doing that. So that was approved. The plan was approved. We put funding towards that to do this 20 26 project. So >> I think the other thing talking about the Lions Club again I don't know what they have in terms of what their um kind
of coffers are financial. I mean the other thing is we talked to them about what are they willing to contribute if they want to take that park, right? We know that we need some paving of trails. Um, here's some estimates. You know, if
we wanted to pave one, maybe we chip in some money for that, but maybe they're responsible for some of the number three, too. I mean, again, that's where we need a conversation with them, too. >> I think we should at least get some
estimates so we have some numbers. I think that's the first time >> and getting the estimates sooner like Ron said before contractors start you know those October prices. >> So the RFP writing is that part of the
engineer services? >> I would think it would be yes Stantech would ask for >> or put the drawings together. These are high level drawings here but I think that's what we >> so
excuse me if we if we ask for all three parks then are we or segments are we paying some for RFP on a section that we know we're not going to get this year
>> we can't afford all three So, >> I think from a contractor side of it, I don't think you can go out and ask for all three bids knowing you might not do one >> because they're going to come back and say,
>> "Well, you're not doing that one now. I put both bases on doing all three >> because he's going to come in here and do them equipment wise. They want to come in and do them all. >> They're not going to want to restage each time. So, I think we need to pick >> the ones we want to do. say in my head
I'm saying two and three with the option on one and this option on one may not happen at this time but if bids come in and we can do it we will do it but you say if I'm bidding this which I did in our industry is I would I don't want you to come and
say I'm doing all three and by the way oh now we're not going to do number one and I had I'll bid to set all my equipment in there and just go to work and that's what you'll get some push back that way so That's why
like Marie was saying, we don't have the funds to do two and three. >> Right. Right. >> We have to >> two others or or we wait till next year. >> Yep. >> And hopefully the the prices don't go up too much, but we can probably get a better price by doing all three. So,
it's true. >> Just maybe the lines will be something to plan for for 72. >> They got fireworks. That's a big expenditure for them. they'll they have this project of of helping pave this. I'm not saying they have to do all of it, but at least they whatever they
could contribute the difference between what we'll have in CIP next year and but at the same time if we're not going to do it next year, we won't go well we won't go out for quotes this year because that's just
as Joe's rate engineering services rate. They'll go up next year just like everything else. So >> yeah, if we think we're just going to hold on that 65,000, I wouldn't work on getting bids. We'd just keep it in the savings and ask for
another 60 or but again, we wouldn't be paving anything until 2027 at the earliest. I do like your point, Joy, about like showing something because I know we've
talked a lot about budgets and money kind of just comes in and then it's dispersed. It'd be nice to say we actually did something with it and here here it is. Here's something tangible people can see and do. But there's times to
>> if we decided to delay it till 27, I think we could put out a sign, you know, something on Facebook that says we are waiting till 27 so we can pay all the all the trails at one time.
>> Yeah. >> But just so that is out there that people are like, >> "Yeah, >> okay." Yeah. Then what happens if we don't get that funding for 27? >> Then wait till 28.
>> If you go with just one of them. >> Well, I'm number show them your or doing the park number three. Spend 13,000. You still got 52 left. That sets there. >> Talk the lions. Maybe they can have
some. I don't or wait and see if we get more. And if not, we don't. But at least the nice part we could have this thing paved this year. >> That show people and we're talking about this. I mean this project on this side of the river or on this side of the
highway, the big ones clear over there for them to come in and do this little one. I think would behoove us to get that >> completed just for the simple fact it goes back to saying that we're showing the community that yes, we're going to we're doing this and then and then like
you said when a contractor comes he he would rather do the whole thing over here than just one section. So that I I would be, you know, if if everybody's comfortable with it or if this is what we truly want to go with, I' I'd just
soon get River Park or or No Park paved there. But we can we want to talk to the Lions. I guess we can do that next month. But I think we should move to get it going. >> I mean, I don't again I don't know what the Lions Club maybe we I don't know. They have 13,000. Maybe they'd pay for
it, right? And then we'd have 65. We could save it or do one of these again. I don't know. >> Get a bid for that park and and see what they would be willing to pay for. Pay half, pay a quarter, >> pay it all. I don't I don't know. Yep. >> And then and then where do streets and
roads come in? Because we have that lovely drive in there. Is that considered a city street or is that considered a drive inside the park? >> Driveway in the park. It's not really >> right >> part of our statement. It's not part of our pay program. That's >> But it looks good right now. I mean, I'm
looking at a picture from September. >> They redid that after the after they went in there. >> That was a standalone project. >> Yeah. They went in there while they utilized that to get down and do the whole lake bed. >> And so they paved that. They paved the
whole new circle, didn't they? So that's completed. So, >> does that have like some maintenance on that that that that we're in charge of or how does that work? >> Um, probably >> cuz like
>> I think it's 10 years from now. >> Yeah. >> Before they have to do anything to it, >> wear and tear on. >> Okay. I mean, >> we probably do some steel coding before we did anything. >> Well, that's what I was just curious about as a parks and trails committee. Are we supposed to be, you know, we're
looking into doing a 13,000 addition to what's there and then is there stuff that has to happen there that need should be combined? But I don't know. I just wanted to bring it up because there's a lot of >> the thing with would do the the city park by itself if we're because it a
little it's a small project for a lot of contractors is it might be more than 13,000 too. >> True. that kind of goes. I think that's why Joe based on his experiences of looking at one and three or two and three. >> Okay.
>> No, we get the bids and find out. That's what I say. It's un >> Yeah, I I would make a motion. >> Maybe Joe could >> phrase it to him that you know basically basically not going to all probably all three go at the same time.
>> Yeah. But then to Joyy's point, then the city's paying for that third one. that we're not going to be able to support. So I could be >> could be anywhere from seven. >> Oh yeah. You have to pay stand to be prepared to >> pay the engineering
>> to accept the bids >> and that's also they'll do the inspection after it's being paved. So there's follow-up stuff they have to inspect as well. I mean, when Joe wrote this up, he he knew we only had 65,000, right?
>> Yeah. >> Or not really, though. >> No, this was with that grant funding from um the park survey one is it >> or no? Um instead
>> the age friendly one. >> Yep. So that covered Joe's time to give us this these estimates. So he didn't know we had CIP funds at that time because that was during the >> survey, >> but I think he knows we have CIP ear.
>> Yeah. Yep. >> So we we had to pay whatever it was just to get this little bit probably. >> Yep. They covered two grand of Joe's time to give us these drawings and
estimates. >> I'm torn. I don't know what to make a motion on. Anybody have any ideas? >> I So looking at again, it would be nice to do it all. We're just not there. If if we feel like we want to do something, my
recommendation would we we would get estimates for two and three, have conversations with the Lions Club about chipping in. That may get us closer to 65. And the reason for two is because it hooks up to already pave past. Like one,
I feel like it would be kind of strange um to do and then end there where the other two kind of already do that. I think that would show the residents that we're working on it. We can't do it all. We're going to continue to do it, but we got to do it in waves. That would be my
suggestion for two and three. >> And and from your experience, I really I haven't seen two. Okay. I'm sorry. Let me start over. They used to they used to play soccer over here and so people from different
communities would come here at that time. But I'm not I'm not seeing that anymore. Are you seeing many people parking in these pots? >> No. >> Or it's really people walking from their houses, right? Or where do they park? >> They do park on Sunny View um Lane down
there when they used to have soccer down there. I think the Nets have been taken down so they don't do it there anymore. I usually see people park there. I don't see people up by Valley View. >> Right. Okay. So that would be another thing to say, you know, people traveling
here park here. So it's it, you know, >> there's really no parking. I mean, you're >> Yeah, you're just on the side street. >> Yeah. But >> Okay. >> But again, I think that's where Right. It connects to the park. You could put
benches around there. They hook up to already paved pass towards the back end. We could ask for 60,000 for CIP next year to pave the one as well.
>> Well, getting I don't know how the length of them is, but getting that uh estimate for number two, we might get a better estimate just in our own minds what number one would be. >> No, not actually. They're very similar in price.
>> You ask for an estimate. Now, >> number one goes up the hill >> more steep. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's not steep. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's a >> The other ones are flat where you can push a stroller like you said, or young kids on a bike. And
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. This one would make a nice loop because you can go up, you could go up in the back area and come back down. This one's kind of You walk and then you're in gravel. >> Another trail I think maybe talked about
is across the one that goes up to Mountain View. Across from Mountain View down to third Third Avenue. There's that little city lot that goes through there on the other side across the street. Um, number one, it goes up to Mountain View
and it just this jugs over a little bit of the street and then it goes further east down through the third avenue to >> You're saying Valley View. You mean Valley View, right? Not Mountain View. >> Yeah, the Valley one. If you were going to continue it, >> right? >> You could maybe do more of a trail is
what you're saying through that one area. Like you're here through people on that side there. >> Here's mountain. >> Yeah. Valley view. >> Yep. You're right there. Yep.
>> By I'm sorry. What was I the mountain? Yeah. So, this trail comes up here along up to here and jogs over and then it comes down through this. This is a city property right here. >> So, it cuts behind that farmer house there. >> All these homes right here. It goes behind. >> I thought that was theirs. So we mow
that property right now and it gets us down to Third Avenue. It's just a bit of continuation of safe routes for school if we do some parking on the streets. It will be a dedicated bike lane, but it could be a shared bike lane on those
streets. It's, you know, it's >> Yeah, that roll >> not quite the length as those long longer ones, but it's something to think about in the future just to continue the pave paths. >> I'm the odd one out. I like path number
one. >> I do like path I when last summer we were going around and we were just scoping out all the parks, I had the hardest time finding this park. um and where to park to go to the park.
I ended up parking in the culde-sac on Sunny View Lane and then walked, you know, like through two people's houses, which, you know, isn't fine. Um, but I was really looking around for anything. And this was paved well enough. Um, and I saw it kind of go out to the gravel
and then from where I was, I had no real visibility of what happened over here >> or how to get over there. I'm just not familiar with that side of the river. >> Um, but I think I remember I remember
driving on Valley View Drive >> and if there was more of a distinguished path, I think I probably would have preferred to park over there. So, looking at this, I'm I'm in the one. I'm
in I don't know where we go from. I think everyone wants to do two and then do we talk to Lions Club next week and say uh are you willing to contribute enough
to get the engineering services quotes done for three as well and then we can know first like we'll have a better picture next month of what quotes to bid for either two or three
or just two. or >> or just one >> or three. >> Ask >> I mean what you're already anticipating what Joe was gonna say if we want to do all three. He's going to say that's not going to happen. >> Well, we don't have >> Well, we don't have the funds. We don't
have funds. >> Yeah. It's >> mean just to get the bids or whatever, right? Is it called bid? >> But then we're spending money or something. The engineering services. >> We got to pay the engineering services >> before he goes out for bids. He needs to
have more detailed drawings for the contractor to make bids and that's what we'd have to pay to get that third bid. But if we have no plan >> or a third not
>> and we and we wouldn't want to do the engineering services separate because it doesn't really tell us anything because you can't you don't know the construction, right? >> Yeah. Well, we could, but then we got to spend excess injuring services money to
get that that we may not use >> or get bids for, should you say. >> And I think what Lee's comment to an an company that would come in and say like, okay, I'm going to make 20,000
here, 20,000, and 20,000. I'm willing to bring my equipment out, but if I'm only gonna make, you know, just two of them, I'm gonna have to charge it more. >> That's probably a good point.
May >> that's why that premise you'd wait till next year to do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You'd wait to do it all. I mean, the nice thing, the other the other side of that coin would be if you do a really good job, we're gonna have another one. We'll have another 60. We got to get the
funds, right? I mean, that could be an incentive for business the following year if we like them. But again, funds aren't secured, so that's the issue. But >> I mean, I guess we're in between. Do we
do something this year or do we wait and save and and hope I know hope's not a strategy but hope that we can get it in, you know, another 60 65 in the budget and do it all in 2027 or we do parts of
it. >> Personally, I think we do number three. It shows something. It shows we're doing something. It'll show the businesses in town that we mean something. If we need extra money, who knows who will come forward, but we've started the process.
Agree at the point of my concern being in this business that in 2027, you're going to eclipse that $7,000 cost just to increase the material. So, we've already, you know, it's going to go up. It's going to go, but then we
don't want Joe doing the drawings for one of them if we're not even going to do it. So, it's a it's a catch 22. But I do think we got need to show people something. I really do. >> Yeah, I agree. >> What it is, I don't know. But I think we
need to show them something. And the feeling I get, like I say, you guys have been around or far longer than I have, but I just Everybody comes back to Orno Park. I hear that a lot that people really like to get that one spruced up a little
bit more, all that stuff. So let's let's push towards doing that one. So that's how I feel. So but that's my one cent worth. >> Right. Yeah. >> My one thing about the oroccoal park and this drawing it takes it to the
bathrooms, right? >> Yep, it does. >> And are we ready to do the bathrooms? Do we know that the bathroom is going to stay the way it is? Because when we're talking the bathrooms, are we talking the ones that
Kevin's talking about? >> Yeah. And that's where getting like the Lions Club to do like a long-term planning out there so we would know maybe the bathrooms are where they are. Maybe we would move them like even into the pavilion, right? I mean, I think of
like Pine Islands, they're right in the pavilion there. So, I mean, again, that's where you might have a path to nowhere if we totally revamp that park, too. >> Can we just leave that part of it off
and they >> No. >> I think I think the concern of leaving it off is if the bathrooms are open and in use, right, it's not really accessible. >> Yep. Um, >> had were they open last summer? They must have been, huh?
>> I think Ken said they were open. >> But I also remember there being a a handicap one here all the time, I think, at the driveway. >> Maybe. >> Porta potty. >> There's a porta potty there. >> Yeah, portaotty.
>> I thought the people that rent at the pavilion got keys to the bathroom >> versus it being open at a regular basis. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. >> Ring a bell. Jason, >> do you know are they open all year? >> For events, they open them and they open
afterwards and we don't know if they're open all year. >> Okay. So, they open them for use. >> Yeah. >> So, Jason, right now we're struggling to decide what to ask council to do. We have three different things, but we don't have enough money.
>> Got money for us. Big surprise, right? So, do we vote as a committee as to which one of these two to have actually bid out or just go with the smaller one and save
some of that CIP to do the following year? My recommendation would be we I know we've talked about this, but I would really like a conversation with the Lions Club because I they make I I don't know if they have 13,000
to spend, but if they're going to do the parks, right, they're going to need some paving and some trails to do that and what's that long-term plan for that park? And that and it may change where they want um paths to go. Um,
>> so it might be too soon to put a path there. >> I think again because they they want to adopt this park. I would want to make sure that they're right that we're coming to that that agreement and that partnership uh that
we're wanting their feedback and we may have money but we may want them to contribute and what does that look like? That would be my only hesitation about just doing three. I mean, I think you could get bids if you wanted to, but I'd hate to say, "We're going to do it." And then the Lions are like, "Well, we're
not going to put the bathrooms there. We may move the shelter closer." You know, I mean, just not being included, which again, I think we have the final say of it as parks and trails, but I would just want to have a conversation with them because they may have money that they
would be willing to contribute to that, too. We're not we're not giving up the rights to the park to be designed. That's the >> Yeah. Yeah. No, that would be here in city council. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Monetary donation. >> Yeah. >> To assist in upgrading the facilities or to the parks. But this brought to I wanted to talk to you before. I don't know when you guys get to this, but I talked with Kane a little bit today about this and, you know, we need
to make sure that we set set a standard of, okay, we're going to do a, you know, adopt the park kind of thing, if you will. What is that going to look like? Is there going to be a annual, you know, sponsorship in money? Is it going to be something else where it's you're going to be required to do
two events and two cleanups or, you know, what does that actually look like? Yeah, >> I think we need to make sure we have that as well, you know, towards the front of this because maybe in two years they decide they don't want to do it anymore, but we got another group that wants to come in or another group that wants to adopt another park. We need to
kind of set that standard piece. Cool. >> Yeah, we talked a little bit about that too and like what's the renewal kind of process so that that partnership is reviewed so it's not just a here you go do whatever you want and it's just
living out there. So >> I would almost look at it like a yearly thing. I think of first thing that comes to mind is like sports sponsorships, right? You set up you get your sponsorships for your arenas or your stadiums and stuff and they're usually, you know, on the the lower end. They're usually your your things. You your banners up to get this. You're
sponsoring this this here. Know this is known as this area or whatever the things may be versus like a 5060 $60 million donation. Put your name and name the building after you type of thing. So I don't know what their their funds are
at. >> Yeah. I don't know what they're what they have >> either them to keep it reasonable because most of these are going to be nonprofit groups that are looking to adopt the park. So until next month >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yep. Yeah. I don't know what they have in their accounts that they're willing to donate. I know that he shared, Steve shared that they they um actually had a lot of interest with the flag program. Um and they're hoping that will
continue. So again, I think that's, you know, a nice chunk of money, but I don't know what that what that what that even looks like. >> Well, I guess after all the discussion tonight, I I I don't see us making a decision on this trail tonight. Yeah,
>> the payment I just my thought. So, do we want to >> have Steve come and and and and maybe really look at this on our own and and kind of have an idea of what we want to do and come back in April and and and
March, I'm sorry, March, and make the make the motion to do what we want to do because right now it doesn't I mean, there's been a lot of good discussion, don't get me wrong, but I I just don't think we're ready to and unless somebody else Let's make a move.
>> I agree with Marie. I think maybe have Steve bring his financial pay say this is what we got >> and then that'll be a determining factor right there. >> Next week we can vote on which trail to pave or whether or not to push it. >> But next week we'll be able to most
likely have a motion and vote on a motion >> because what what did our park survey say? I mean obviously the park survey is going to say pave as much as you can. >> Yeah. I think that was a real important feature was the >> painting.
>> I really think that was um I think this goes back to that building, the bathroom in there. >> If you're not going to really change the footprint of that building, that's not
what you're looking for, right? We want to keep it the historical footprint that's there would be the interior that would be changed. So probably not a real problem to pave it to that building. It would just be if you're going to hook up
the water, the sewer, where does that come in? Will that interfere with where we pave it? That would be my question. So, >> those were hooked up there. >> Didn't those get hooked up? >> What's that?
>> The water and sewer, that stuff. Didn't that get hooked up out of the park? >> Yeah, that all comes So, the water's on the west side and the sewer's on the east side of it right now. >> It's already It's already connected though, correct? >> The grinder station is there. I The question are we hooked up to the
bathrooms directed to the I'm going to have to ask about get back on to you on that. I thought it was, but I'm not sure that the breaker station's there. everything to to connect it to the system. >> I was up there last fall, so I'm drawing a blank on it right now. >> I know the grinder station's on the east
side of that building, I'm pretty sure. Isn't it? >> Yes, it's on the east side. Yes. >> See a green cover. >> So, that was the question I want answered before we make the decision whether to pave it right to that building or not.
Yeah. at at this time. I believe there's one of us that will not be here in March. Is that accurate? >> Oh, when are you going to be here today? >> Oh, things changed. Yay for me.
>> Otherwise, I was going to be secretary. That's why I knew he was going to be missing a meeting soon, but he's here today. So, and you'll be here in March. That's exciting. I love it. Okay. So, are we all going to be in attendance in
March? As far as you know, as far as >> boring any last minute, >> no exciting vacations planned for the first week of March. Okay. So, um I'd like to make a motion to adjourn at this time. >> Second. All right. All those in favor
say I. >> I. >> Same sign. Hey, motion carries. So, thank you everyone for all of your efforts. >> A lot of good discussion. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, okay. >> The benches. We decided on the bench just bureaucracy. M >> So are we going to be like saying you said just Jeff? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So you're just going to be
saying at council >> what? Oh yeah. Can you press the button? >> Press the button. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Is it this? This button. >> Yep. and meeting for