all right we've got Zoom up and running here and with that it's 6:30 so I will call to order the City of Ornoo Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Thursday April 10th 2025 with that we'll move on to roll
call i am Commissioner Kathy Brandt Rucker chair Commissioner John Evans Commissioner Grant Koser here commissioner Jim Phillips here commissioner Scott Sorenson here
commissioner Daniel Spring here and we do have one current open position we'll move on to staff bill Carlson phil is Yes I'm here yes I'm I'm here on on Zoom perfect uh Joe
Palin and Jason Baker you see him on I saw him on okay uh with that approval of the agenda for this evening does anybody have any changes
right i make a motion to approve the agenda second thank you first and a second all in favor of approval of agenda say I i deny nay none and no abstensions and with that approval of
minutes which we will pass for this month we don't currently have minutes from the prior meeting and we do have a public hearing scheduled for 6:35 this evening with our public hearing scheduled for 6:35 it's actually 6:32
right now so we do have to meet that technicality of waiting till 6:35 but with that what I can do is I can kind of explain how that will work our public hearing does get called to order it's an opportunity for people during that
public hearing to present their opinion issues concerns on what we do have there and if there is anybody present I do have a couple that have already been turned in anyone that's present that does want to speak during the public hearing we do have some forms over on
the podium over there that you can certainly fill out and what will happen is once the public hearing is opened we will go through and everyone that I've got a form here will be allowed a couple minutes to speak and once the public has finished their their input we will close
the public hearing and have our staff report and have discussion up front but that that's more or less the process that we do have for the public hearing and the other piece of that is is with this being our zone public zoning
planning and zoning commission what we do here is as recommendations to city council so we do have the public hearing portion of it and anything that we do does go as a recommendation to city council for their future next meeting
and Jim what is the date of the next meeting for city council that's scheduled here either of you guys have the next handy look at it real quick 15th so next week next Tuesday
you talking about for the council yep oh I thought you were talking about for the next uh planning zoning no it's next Tuesday taxes are due that day and city council meets so there you go we are still at 6:33 so 6:34 we got one more minute here folks and then we can
officially Are they going to get a chance to put on their presentation as well okay i just didn't know where you were going to put that in for the public hearing or after the public hearing part of the public hearing
okay getting close picking down and with that it's 6:35 so I will open the public hearing at this time i do have a few forms here if there's anybody that would like to
speak for or against the the zoning change that we have here and I will read that first so the zoning change that we have for the this evening is to consider a zoning change at outlot a cedar woodland's third
parcel ID 84.20.1280290 and with that I do have three so far I have Bill and is it Tunson yes okay i have Bill Tonson as our first person here to speak this
evening thank you Madam Chair members of the commission for the record I'm Bill Twin with WC Consulting Firm speaking on behalf of Science Southwest regards to this zone change and this is Ryan Shoner with me as an engineer with our firm
that is assisting with the presentation we're going to keep this very brief tonight but I think it's important to to go through what we're planning on doing here some of you have seen a little bit of the information from the neighborhood
meeting we held on March uh 5th but I'd just like to this and if there's questions uh at any time just stop me so again the application is for a land use and a zone change approximately 2.3 acres
is there a way you're able to allow me to screen share at all screen share are you trying to face the audience uh screen share on u a computer oh I think you have to be wired into it plug
into it easiest for you guys can you plug in i can certainly try if you guys are patient you got a way to plug in over there daniel should be the cord from the tall box there coming out the side those are Mom
[Music] here yes thanks thank you can you confirm Jason that we're still that you can see this yep wse Massie looks good from online this is an aerial view of the property
on the east side of Cedar County Road and that the leftly portion of that is what we're asking to zone to the R2 the rest of the site is already zoned R2 as you go to the east and to the south uh along with the zone change as I
mentioned there's a land use plan amendment from commercial to multifamily so that would uh show you the the top part of that slide is the way it looks today so the vent on the upper side there is
commercial what would happen if this is approved it's the bottom slide where all R2 the zone change of land use for the R2s really fits the tonality of the of the neighborhood that's left on the east side of the property there as you can
see all the side colored orange colored area there so again the pattern of land use and the zoning matches tonality of the surrounding land uses zoning to the east and southeast uh and provides a buffer to the commercial that's over on the
west side where two sisters is located on the other side of the road uh so far we've had a pre-application meeting with the city and then we did hold the neighborhood informationational meetings I mentioned on March 5th and going forward if the zone change is approved
tonight and goes on to the council with that recommendation and council decides to zone to make the zone change in the land use we have to provide a site development plan grading and drainage and construction plans and then we need traffic assessment that we'll be doing for the
project those are the next steps we we usually don't do those with the zone change if we don't get the zoning it's project's not going to go forward so but that's what we're planning on we did commit to the neighborhood uh on March 5th that we would hold additional
neighborhood meetings as necessary to present this project as it moves along with with the neighbors so want to be really transparent with everybody on this application um the next slide is a um the architectural rendition uh of a concept
plan very conceptual uh for the site will be condominiums if you own occupied condominiums under the condominium laws in the state of Minnesota so it's really a strict set of rules and regulations that you have to follow when you condominium
association so you would if you bought a unit there you would own just the unit of wall to wall you don't own any common area that's owned by the by the condo association you pay a dues to maintain those we have one uh storm pond being
planned and a couple of access points to the surrounding roads so the architect did provide us with some perspective views of the project this is what that would look like the far left of that project is where the stone change
they request that the rest of the site has a property to zoning i wish I could show you a little better view of these from units there's a kind of a front view of
the unit style give you an idea of similar projects that uh I failed to mention Dan with me he's the owner applicant developer and he's developed uh throughout the United States uh
different states with this type of product and very well with my opinion and having worked for 56 years in this business that is one of the better clients I've had to come through and do what he says he's going to do and be totally
transparent with the city and with the neighbors so I I've worked with him on a project recently in Rochester and I've had nothing but good things to say about how things have progressed with that i think you're going to hear from some people from the area that also
um so this is this is the preliminary projection of what these buildings are going to look like and then we get further along you'll see this again some point uh with that um we are requesting approval of the
land use and zone change and uh this approval for the zone change and land use does not grant us approval to do the project just gives us the ability to go forward and pro provide a plan for the product on the site there's any
questions that you have i I'm going to end there but you ask questions if you want if you don't have is this time and you do come up and I be mobile and they're going to be available to
any of the questions you have thanks Bill thank you i do have the next speaker for the evening is Tom Alto get the screen back we'll get our screen back there we
go thank you thank you for the opportunity to to be here to speak with you this evening uh I'm here just as a representative I guess of uh an individual that lives in a neighborhood and that they were
referring to a project that that Dragon is working on right now in Rochester in southwest Rochester my property butts directly up on the east side of my property starts the new project that he has going on right now the first time I
met Dragon was maybe a year and a half to two years ago now when things first started getting going uh everything east of our property was uh old growth pine so we when we built our house up there we knew that it was going to be
developed at some time and this was 21 years ago and we figured within the first couple of years you know houses will start being built where they weren't and we got very lucky and and we had all that space to ourselves for the last 20 years so and and a few other people in the neighborhood uh were in
the same boat and I think you know there was some some really opposition to to this project all starting but what I can tell you is you know I knew it was coming and there was really no stopping it and I saw Dragon for the first time putting some safety tape up on a
security gate that he was putting up on the end of the property the end of the street that we have so I walked out and just started a conversation to find out you know what what the plan was he gave me uh 30 to 40 minutes of his time explaining everything and I felt very
good and comfortable uh I felt like he was being forthcoming he wasn't withholding anything by the end of the conversation we exchanged phone numbers and I said "If you need anything in regard to the property while you're here give me a call." And he said the same thing and that was about the last I had
spoken with him until um this this past fall i was starting a project on my house we were adding a deck and uh I had the idea that hey this lot next to me is not being developed yet so I guess I should regress and explain at
the end of our street there's going to be a culde-sac so there'll be three or four more houses on that culde-sac that Dragon will be building these are single family homes unrelated to the town homes that he's going to be building just to
the east of those and so I asked Dragon "Hey would it be possible to let the construction workers that I have on my project use that space instead of going through my yard with their skid steers with their equipment?" He said "Please
use it's not the final grade will not be done to this lot for quite some time use it at your will." And he said "For the security gate if you if they need to get through that gate I can have an extra key made i will introduce you to the foreman of the construction company
which he did uh and I worked with those guys and everybody was phenomenal the safety person that was on the project had them moving equipment so my cement truck could get back there to pour the the pad and uh yeah it it's it was
phenomenal i I and so when Dragon asked me to come here on his behalf um I had no problem and there were a couple other interactions we had most recently um when we got probably the second to last snow that we had where you know we got
quite a bit of snow in southwest Rochester there was now that all the clear cuts gone we had some runoff coming into our backyard from the grade in the slope that was done on the development and you know there was pretty good creeks run through the backyard and I approached dragon about
it and said hey little concerned you know that this might end up being an issue he said let me call the engineer uh today and he did it that day he called me back and said "We're going to have a meeting can you will you be able to attend so that we can address this
issue?" And it's all been taken care of they're going to they've come up with a plan they're going to build a small burm about 2 feet along our property so that the runoff goes the direction it should and yeah it's uh it's been nothing but a
pleasure and I I will reiterate what what Bill said as far as being transparent somebody that is very easy to get along with and the other thing I would really uh emphasize here too is the fact that Dragon is very concerned
about safety in in the area that he's developing he I see him up there constantly putting traffic pylons up when the when the road was icy or when the construction was going on so that nobody would go into the areas they shouldn't and very conscientious every
time that I approached him to talk to him if we were on the street he would say "Please let's step to the curb." You know concerned about safety so I have nothing but good things to say about him and uh and I really appreciate the time
to speak with you thank you thank you i have a third up here i have Richard Weissaki next for uh letting me speak uh much like my neighbor he lives about three doors down from me said uh Dragon is uh I'll be honest with you he's quite the character
he's uh always out there taking care of the property sweeping up um when the development started like the previous speaker said we kind of realized when we bought our house this was going to eventually be clear-cut it was a shame but we knew it was going to happen where
our area sit is situated in Rochester there's there's no way that was going to stay and we've had a few developers come through and they make you nervous you know they're talking about garden level twin homes not matching the character of the neighborhood and the first time I approached Dragon he basically explained
he said "No no this it's all going to be designed to to fit in with what is currently up here you know we're going to take our time and we're designing it so that we meet the character of the rest of the neighborhood um throughout the earth moving project for 3 months I think every other day there was a street
sweeper running up and down the street cleaning it up um he was constantly out there making sure that the trucks weren't an impediment um I actually enjoy seeing him when I'm out cutting my lawn dragon I don't know why but he's sitting out there constantly just observing the property and like the
previous speaker said he's really keen on safety uh we've got signs up all over the place he had it gated off at one time but it's got to the point where when I had this assumption with most developers that once Dragon got his permits maybe things would change maybe he'd be like "No what are you going to
do?" You know I can do what I want now he's been fantastic even after everything was approved he got all the permits he needed he hasn't changed one iota constantly says hi to me we chitchat all the time i clear the snow off one of the h the sidewalk of one of the houses he was building we talk so no
if if you're going to have a development go on there's a lot of developers out there that would make you nervous to have them developing right in your backyard i'm front row center i'm if anything closer to the action than he is um I see it all going on and it's it's
been fantastic and uh yeah if you have any qualms about him his character or just how he conducts his business that wouldn't be a reason to hold it against it so you
I have said this once I do have to say is there anybody here that would like to speak for or against the application and I have to say it a third time is there anyone would like to speak for or against the application
i will close the public hearing and you're out there could you talk us through the staff report that's included here tonight sure um madame chair and commissioners the request in front of you has been explained and uh Bill put
the map up it's uh in my experience relatively simple and straightforward you can see on the maps in my report the pattern of land use uh there that uh as was pointed out uh this site is
currently guided and zoned red uh the uh commercial uh B2 but right next to it is the orange uh R2 and to the north is the R1 that basic arrangement of land uses would remain with this uh if this is
approved uh we're just uh uh changing the one site uh two plus acres uh from uh B2 to uh R2 so in my mind the pattern of land use stays the same uh the amount of land here is not significant and the
change to the overall uh area I think is minimal u so my recommendation is that you approve this and as was pointed out this is uh simply a change on the map uh the land use map and the zoning map this
does not in any way give approval to a specific project or design that will all come uh later but uh uh this is relatively straightforward i recommend approval and um uh after my report uh
came in I did send over a draft resolution that the city council might consider when they take it up that uh with findings for approval and I don't know if that got to the planning and zoning commission or not that did not
okay well let me just read you findings that uh uh that I put together uh one that Pine Southwest LLC owns the property at Cedar Center Avenue and Center Point Road Southeast legally known as Outlaw A Cedar Woodlands Third
two the property is guided and zoned B2 highway commercial three the applicant Bill Twiton of WSE Massie Engineering representing the owner has requested the property be reged to multif family residential and reszoned to R2 multifamily
residential four the Oronoko zoning code in sections 151.346 and 151.347 sets forth the procedure for zoning amendments five the property is bounded by B2 zoning to the west R2
zoning to the east and R1 zoning to the north six the requested land use change and zoning map amendment do not significantly change the overall land use pattern in the area seven the city council finds the requested change is
reasonable and appropriate so again it's uh pretty simple and straightforward and if you um agree with that you could recommend its approval if not uh you could uh certainly recommend uh denial and I would recommend that you craft
findings that would support that denial thank you all right with that we have heard from public hearing which is now closed we've gotten a stack report from Phil who is
recommending with those particular findings of fact that we approve is there any discussion up here i make a motion to approve the zoning change from uh uh B2 to R2
second thank you is there any further discussion up here on a zone change from B2 to R2 we have a motion here to send that to council with the recommendation to
approve okay with that I will call a vote all in favor approval say I and any nay okay that does pass and with that we will send this to council they will have their meeting
next week on tax day on the 15th and it will be at there where they finalize or approve or deny what we've sent to them thank you for coming tonight thank you everybody who came and spoke or against we appreciate
the turnout so thank you [Music] that [Music] please start by placing perfect all the trees needs a lot of cards over there
don't go thank you all right thank you oh maybe get up is good you're welcome with that we'll move on to new business this evening what we have for new business is just a discussion we don't actually have any
public hearings scheduled for that this evening just at the very beginning of the meeting I did get handed an application so I will turn that into the city as well and I they will review the application and determine if everything's complete or if there's
anything further i will probably have you sign the application though at the bottom too um but with that we have Josh Sther and Rose yep perfect yes um with that and again we'll have you at next
month's if everything is complete on this we'll like I said turn it into the city if all is complete we'll likely have a public hearing next month because we do have to have legally an advanced amount of time in order to schedule that and get it officially posted right you
can't call a special I mean we have one neighbor and it's a commercial property the other house is for sale so who else has to be notified for that uh we have a legal process we have to follow where if something has to be published in the paper we have to put a notice outside so we'll turn this over
to the city and they'll six foot variance for for anything that would require a public hearing yeah yeah just so that's if we weren't going bigger then we wouldn't need a variance and we could just build the building i mean get it done if there's something that
matches what our code is today so here's let's say here's our code if everything matches and you don't go outside or need a couple extra feet or something if it matches my pre-existing building yeah if you've got already been issued a building permit that fits what this is
then we we wouldn't need a variance to go beyond what it says as a My only issue was I would have made this meeting if it didn't get lost in the email that's still on the website that doesn't exist that you guys nobody has access to and I waited and waited and waited and I
felt like a pester i finally drove down here and then I got some information well you got to check your emails you would have got a reply like well I sent it to the email then it clicked in their head oh what email i mean so there's no way
around this i've already been waiting over a month for this piece of it no right for the public hearing i Yeah and I do apologize about that because the first I heard of it was literally the other day when you had reached out and asked following the city council meeting
all the public hearings for building planning and zoning for a few years now a lot of stuff happened like that next well that's why I've got you on the agenda because if we didn't hear from you then I was going to move it to the next part because I've got a section
that are it's all our old business where I'm checking each month now on at least the ones that I've heard of end up on this list so we at least know where in the process things are slowing down so I appreciate the feedback on that so and that was the only reason we came to see if there's any way to speed up the
process well you can consider this officially turned into the city i can't say that it's complete or anything but I can tell you I I know enough to say it's been signed and I will get this to the city who will take action one way or the other and follow up with you on if
everything's complete or if there's any additional information that's needed because contractors already submitted everything to CMS you know this has all been done so we will get we will turn this over to Jason at the end of this meeting so he's got Yes yes so
I do have Yes if I may this one we've we've spoken with them and the the email forward first of all the email issue it's one of those things where the email comes through and it was set up when Renee left it sends out an automatic reply that she's no longer there and to email
me um and I do know that's working because I get many emails where that goes through um beyond that we have worked with this individual advised him uh myself and CMS that of the size issue that if he does reduce size it does fall within city ordinance and he won't need
a public hearing um and we spoke about this in the last week or so or more about all this information so this was something he was well aware of well it's officially turned in and I will give it to you Jason after this meeting so I didn't try and start i was
just trying to see if there's a way we can speed up the process and like you said the email is still on there so I appreciate the feedback so we will make sure to discuss that as well thank you appreciate it um so I don't think I
finished i think there's a question on there yeah because it says will the proposed change be suitable so as not to create an excessive burden on this Well there's a fee schedule to do that but you were
looking at the timing and although that they wanted to do and it was like I'm assuming Jason's got your phone number to follow up i'm not sure does he here I will you know what i will have your answer for that because I didn't do want to write your phone number on the
back of that and I will give that to Jason as well and he can just call you and figure out what if anything else needs to be checked or turned in or paid or whatever it might be all right okay thank you thank you thank you appreciate
you stopping in and turning in some paperwork have a good evening you too so for next month we'll either have that scheduled either as a public hearing if that goes forward one way or the other or we'll have it under old business for
next month one way or the other so we'll know what's going Yeah because I'm I'm sure that Phil's going to get involved with that too because he's got to write that up for his write up to go with that so Yep that's why they try to move it quicker than that daniel was like there's Yeah
there's no way you could post it yeah I was you going to post it yep yep because I went through and I go "No it can't be there." And that's why you know I got the building permit number that's on there there's always the legal side that has to go along with planning and zoning
and yes what did they turn into you i have got the petition for variance so I've got that and her phone number so if there's anything else missing or questions they can follow up with you okay the paperwork this piece is here whether
it's complete or not that's not necessarily for this body to determine that's where it goes to the our zoning administrator yep thank you all right with that moving into old business we have no other new business for this evening um for the
WSBR project update so that's our project where we are doing a complete rewrite of the entire section of the zoning ordinance part of code with that I do have a call scheduled for tomorrow with Lori to discuss we're going to be putting together a meeting that's going
to happen in the next two weeks for our final review so what has happened in this last month or so mike and Lori have finished most of that legal review there is a small section and they're still looking at just at signage and making sure our freedom of speech coverage is
correct and then the codification so just organizing everything putting all the numbering is done they will be putting graphics because our new version of code will be less all the black and white um legal that'll still be there but there's going to be a lot of
illustrations so that will be done next week and we will have that final draft so two weeks for final review with the steering committee in this group and we should have that I'm hoping available as a draft for PNZ by on or before our next
meeting um at that point we'll probably discuss to what's the best way to work that through the process to make sure it gets to council because they are the ones that will have to do the final approval and adoption of any new code so
but we're on track so I mean everything that we can do and has been done has been on track so we are So when are the public hearings going to be is it after it's presented to city council or before that's the question that's the question yeah and
yeah we'll have to see how how best to work that and that's probably something I will specifically ask WSB on they've worked with a lot of other communities who have done these complete rewrites and what is the best way to get that work through the process to make sure
everybody gets a chance to get some input on on the code that was that was a question I had is what kind of timeline do they give the public to review prior to what I talked about before is I want to give them at least a good month or two months it's not going
to be it's out here for 5 days and hope you're not on vacation this week mhm no that's that's not how this should handle y because we are doing a complete rewrite and we do want the public to take a look have their time to take a look and see it make sure it fits what
or no really needs and wants agreed so thank you yeah yeah and that's part of this whole process is because we know what we've had does not necessarily fit what we've been doing now with especially with water sewer all the development pressure
so just making sure it works for our community questions for me on that one there'll be more to follow up i know um if anybody is on the steering committee out there we'll be getting in touch with them as well next on our update is our monthly
incoming zoning applications and questions and we did get a monthly permit report that was sitting here when we walked in tonight i don't know if anybody wants to speak to this one way or the other it's the
one page only looks like we did have some maintenance a plan review to expl replace a shed one is a waiting payment in flooror heating going
in water service connection with meter sewer an irrigation water meter a roof metal shed a furnace a re-roof irrigation water meter and a gas running a gas line to a grill so that
looks like a quick recap of the last month i do know we had a recent hail storm so I am expecting probably over the next few months we're probably going to see more re-roofing coming through so I know there have been a number of people going around town but
there is actually some Yeah there's a lot of people going around town right now yeah so I know at least one of them has got the right license I've heard but there's a pedaller license but I just know that there is actually some hail
damage that really did happen during that storm the other week what was that because that was so tiny friday night it was a Friday night yep okay i got something in the mail from a legit
roofing company yeah well and I've seen I've went out and looked at the weather maps and you can see there's actually a pattern of heavy hail that did go through a very narrow band of heavy hail so I don't know interesting so it's possible that there Yeah i mean ours was
just like P size at the at the biggest you know and you're not going to have any damage with these size hail so it just what happens there but chairperson yes please we did have we have uh two companies that have come in and put in
and gotten peddlers permits and uh transient permits to have their teams here walking around doortodoor so uh the one of them there were four individuals the other there were two sheriff's office has also been notified just so they're aware uh of this going on because we did have one citizen call in
and ask because they saw them out and about they didn't have contact with them but they've all been issued their permits they're good to go um and it sounds like from talking with them most of the damage occurred on the east side of 52 um is where they're seeing the most significant stuff so we did come
out and look at city hall and assess some of the damage that we took to our roof inside of our building as well so you didn't get any did you so we look at ours and it was fine so well thank you so there's two companies that have been come in and got permits
so that's the one permit that's on here the 25290025 that's Josh's permit number that there is just so you know that one the building permit so you're aware of that thanks anything more on that or we'll move on i don't know if we have any updates for
these next couple but uh letter C is it was gold rush crossings i don't know if there's been any more on the city side for that one um it's it's on the agenda it's for a followup for this coming Tuesday okay
so maybe I'll just back next month what comes from council kathy yes just so you guys are aware there's been no communication from their group i've tried reaching out and I haven't heard anything from them so okay thanks to follow up as we go
uh the next one we've got out there was a driveway request this one we first got it in February February 13th here at PNZ just as a question um and so we'll just kind of keep it on there till we hear one way or the other
there's no public hearing or anything on this one but I have not heard any update on this either i haven't either it's a driveway request i think they wanted to move their driveway or close one off but whatever it is I have not heard one way or the other jason do you know if there's any update on the driveway one
nothing has come back since they haven't reached out or done anything more with it so yeah I talked to Mike um when um he was doing a plumbing issue with me and and he said he hadn't done anything other than than where it's at right now
okay okay and then we do have one currently one open position so we've got nobody here this evening to interview jason have you received any applications for that one i have not we have not received anything else um I'm going to have Mel start putting out some some
more stuff on Facebook she's getting that resolved and we're going to start posting more again so we'll get it back out there and then we do have officer election i know last month we discussed it a little bit and thought do we wait till we have
a full committee before we go forward with any further I think that's still smart to do that continue the way that's how you guys want to go with that I am fine with that as well anything else we have here this evening or out of agenda items I make a
motion to adjourn I have one I just wanted to mention the memo that I had sent out about the budget meetings um so since this hasn't been sent out of officially uh I wanted to be able to tell you guys up front that um city
council is going to be holding a couple of budget planning workshops in the near future um and this is going to go out to all the committees and the departments um and I think that maybe on our next
meeting we should have agenda items um to match the discussion that the the city and I can I'll this all out to you but it's kind of growth goals uh mission statements um documentation of scope
which a lot of this stuff isn't necessarily going to apply to us because we're going to have a it's going to it's pretty in stone what we're doing what our vision is so a lot of it it's going to be quick for us uh growth goals might
not be anything here just WSB's already done a wish list items uh capital improvement funding needed um and then goals for 135 and possibly 10 years again I don't know that that be
applicable for our committee but if anybody has any this will go out i'll I'll make sure that everybody get a official memo when it gets sent out but I don't know that we'll have a whole lot to actually discuss about this but we are invited to these meetings if we have
anything that's going that we need to present for 2026 budget stuff excellent we might want to look at uh taking some RFPs or something along those lines too if if we get to that which will give us
a timeline ahead of time which well once our code is getting closer to done I think our next RFP we had discussed was it's been many many many years since we've done any type of RFP just for our zoning support services and it probably is good just for the
taxpayers to be open and transparent about that and make sure we've get one of those out there so we might have a couple items that we want to be the only since it's an ongoing expense anyway but probably it's good to do an RFP just to make I mean it's a goal that we evaluated every year three years or
whatever it comes down to so it's been done since 2006 so it's been a while it's been a year toear open-ended kind of evergreen type yeah i don't know yeah so the goal of these is to more or
less educate the council members of the individual goals of these committees and the growth expectations and budget needs and kind of the wish list prioritized wish list and stuff so if we have
anything we're invited to those um and we'll get the official document out there i think I was just waiting on So maybe we'll put that on for next month yeah absolutely new business or whatever to be able to bring it out but I'll try and get this out and so
we'll have a month to be thinking about if there's anything we want to to present at one of these um budget workshop type meetings so 135 and 10ear goals and I'll probably
just add the RFP yeah I think that would make sense for us and if I can find a good draft we all see if my free time I have time to throw something together to at least have something to discuss perfect yes uh I've got one more thing I'll throw on is I do know and this is
not necessarily directly PNZ but I believe the parks area is doing a survey so I think I've heard some discussion on that that they got some grant money and are trying to do some more factf finding so I think it was on Facebook yeah yeah
i I'm think they've been trying to get the word out wherever they can so yeah that's all I have anybody else that's good items so motion to adjurnn second first and a second all in favor say I i any opposed
we are now officially adjourned that's 7:17