We have everybody sitting out there. All right. Excellent. We are at 6:30. Today is Thursday, July 10th, and this is the city of Oronoko Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. And with that, we will call the meeting
to order. Roll call for the commissioners. I'm Kathy Brant Rucker. Commissioner John Evans here. Commissioner Grant Koser here. Commissioner Jim Phillips here. Commissioner Scott Sorenson
here. Commissioner Daniel Spring here. And we do currently have an open seat. So if there's uh anybody out there listening or present that is interested, something to think about. We do have the applications on the website and are always looking for interested volunteers
for city committees. We will also go with our staff's staff Phil Carlson. Phil, are you out there? Uh, Evan Mson here. I'm filling in for Mr. Carlson. Thank you, Evan. Evan Mson.
Uh, Joe Palin. I'm here tonight as well. Okay. And Jason Baker from the city. Yes. And Jason's in the back there. Thank you. Next we have approval of the agenda.
Does anybody have any changes or additions for our agenda for this evening? I have one item to throw under new business and that is just the date of our August meeting. Happen to notice it falls on gold rush Thursday. So, parking
would certainly be an issue as well as trying to get in and out of the building. We'll throw that under new business. Any other changes? Okay. All in favor of the agenda as amended there say I.
Anyone opposed? Same side. All right. And our agenda passes. We do not currently have minutes, but we do have an AI and a plan to work on getting those. So, possibly at next month's
meeting, we may have a packet of several months worth to uh approve at some point. With that, we do have to wait till 6:35 for our public hearings to start. They are posted at 6:35. They're two
different public hearings. and but they are actually for the same parcel just so everybody is aware there are two public hearings tonight but they will not start till 6:35 one thing I will note I had talked about the the date for gold rush so when we do
get to that something to think about is our choices would be to probably push it a week earlier or a week later if we go a week later it gets a little tight for council but we also have the all the new code potentially as a public hearing for next
month. So something just to keep in the back of your mind so when we get to that point we can chat about it. We are now at 6:33. So we do have to kill time for two minutes. If anybody does see over at the podium
or is thinking about speaking tonight, uh we do have some sheets over there that you can fill out uh with the public forum. We do allow public comments during our public hearings that we have going on here for both the conditional use permit and the
preliminary plat application. So, we've got two different public hearings. Almost there, folks. One more minute. And if anyone has filled out a slip and has not turned it, feel free to to bring it on up here and we'll get you I've got two of them so far turned in. Um, but
we're can certainly fill it out then or fill it out in advance. Either way, we're very close. watch 6:35. So here we are. We can now on the very first public hearing at conditional use permit for
Cedar Woodland's third parcel ID 84.20.12.08. 080290 and I will open the public hearing at 6:35. I did receive two people who are here present to speak
for public comments. So with that, we will open it up for public comments right now. The first one I have here is Josh. If you could come up and if you want to speak at the podium there, come up and state your name and address and
please go ahead. So Josh Cushain, 1440 Cedar Point Road Southeast Orville. And I I don't know which one I'm supposed to speak to first. I have three topics that I just I feel like I have I have an opportunity to grab the ear of the people in the room and I should take it tonight because I don't know when the
next one's going to come up. So the first thing I want to talk about in uh related to this coming in is going to be rentals. It's going to be what it is. My question is, does the city have a plan for rentals? Is there an ordinance out
there because I haven't been able to find one? And I I I see these coming in. There's they're smaller units. Um smaller units rent well. And I've heard the argument made, hey, the price point for these isn't going to be something
that someone's going to want to buy up, take on a mortgage to to turn them around and try to rent them. But I think that I mean it's been said we're not looking for that demographic. We're expecting uh 55 plus the elderly to come
in. Um retirees, people who might be downsizing to to buy into this price point. And what happens to that population when they pass on? They typically will, you know, pass on their property to their
children or to somebody else. And so I just look at this saying, well, if I was to inherit one of these, it's just down the street from Rochester. And there's a lot of medical professionals who don't need to be in Rochester for a horribly long time. They might consider renting
one of these out. So I guess my question I'm just wondering like how do we have a plan for handling that um in the future here? Uh I know Rochester has you have to get a rental certificate. Does that exist here in Oronokco? uh would we allow Airbnbs, the the super short-term
rentals where people are renting for a weekend, renting for a month, because that brings in an inherent risk to your community if you're allowing such a thing. Second thing I wanted to talk about tonight is going to be um the
Cedar Point Road Southeast itself. So, I I I looked at I attended the open house. I really appreciate the open houses being held and and being able to come and and and um have some of our worries calmed a bit by by the information that's provided.
That's been great. Um I I really appreciate the updated plans. There's no longer a road exiting right into my driveway. Absolutely love that. But I still have concerns with the traffic that that's going to bring still having an exit. Coming on to the east side of Cedar Point Southeast. Um, I I look at
that and I question why it's even there. I I see anyone living in that area needing to exit towards Minnesota Avenue because all roads lead to Minnesota Avenue. And so if you needed to do that, you would probably just head west
towards Minnesota Avenue. Unless you wanted to get there quicker, then you might take Cedar Point Road Southeast and drive Bassenger, which that's already a big curve. It's somewhat blind right now without having buildings in there. And so I I just have concerns
with that. I know there we didn't hit the amount of traffic needed to have a a traffic study, I think is how it was explained. The state didn't require it or something along those lines. But I just I to me I see people walking down
that street. I see pets walking down that street. Children riding their bikes up and down. My kids ride my kid rides her bike up and down all the time. and and increased traffic there. It it brings a worry to me. And the argument that I could see is well, we might want
to exit there if that road, Cedar Point Road Southeast ever extends further south. But that was when the Linda King group came in. They spoke to that area down there basically being financially undevelopable strictly south of Cedar Point Road
Southeast there saying that it just due to the grading and the slope and it leads into the ravine it's they were going to leave it as a wetland. So that brings me to my third point tonight which is going to be preserving the rural aesthetic that we have here in
Oronokco. Um appreciate all the plans that have been provided. Uh, I've I've spoke to neighbors who have said, you know, ultimately what they want to see is the landscaping plan that go that's going to be involved with these because as of right now, we look out, we see a
sunset. Um, are we going to look out and see trees with birds flying around in them or are we going to see what's depicted in the 3D rendering, which as of right now it we're told, hey, these are luxury town homes going in. they're going to be of high quality material,
but that doesn't always mean that it's going to look nice. And that's what we want to do. We, you know, we we're hoping to be able to look across the field and see our neighbors, see people who are living a similar um aesthetic as we are living today. Um we know that
this is going to come with change. We're sure that, you know, the south facing tree line is probably going to be completely gone. It's really going to open up the whole neighborhood, but just taking those things into consideration. So, I think everyone's time for Next, I have Bill. If you want to come
up and speak, state your name and address. And Madam Chair, members of the commission. I'm Bill Twain with WFC. I represent the developer, uh, Dragon Cops, who's here, which is being developed under Pine Southwest. Um,
with me also is Ryan from WSE who is an engineer with our firm helping with the project. I think I'm going to start by maybe responding to the questions that the gentleman before me had. Uh, number one, uh, one of the major points of this entire
development, one of the more safety features of it is we're building path systems all the way along Cedar uh, Point Road. We're also putting a path through the system as required by the land use plan and that's to be separate
pedestrian traffic off the road and letting them use this connectivity down to the two sisters restaurant or the gas station or walking down to Minnesota Avenue. Um, we talked a little bit about the traffic
at our last neighborhood meeting and what we said was that in reviewing the existing ordinance that Ornoco has, they don't have thresholds for a trigger that we can see for a traffic study. What I did tell the neighbors is that if you
looked at just phase one, first uh first four buildings, we have less than 100 trips a day, which doesn't trigger even a county traffic study. the entire development will be under 400 trips a day possibly depending on on what uh
what category we use in a traffic manual to calculate the trips. So our thought was was to analyze the traffic if we get a project a preliminary approval so we know what we're dealing with we can provide traffic analysis so that it lets
people know what we're anticipating uh for traffic. So the reason for multiple access points, the one reason for them to the road is to get away from congesting one access point out of the subdivision getting emergency vehicles in and out in timely fashion. Rather
have to drive over here on the west side of the thing lined all the way through these roads to get to emergency on the southeast corner of the property. We'd come down Cedar uh point and come in on a different location. So those are the reasons we chose uh the access openings.
We did move the one on the southeast corner because we understand the headlight glare across the street to this gentleman's home. So we did that, but we still we went from five to three. So we had five access points went to three which I think is adequate to handle three phases that we're proposing
to build in the development. So I just wanted to start with that and uh I'm open to questions at any time through the presentation. I do have a slide presentation. can share that to Ryan can share uh the screen could go
share you have to plug in up here. I can start a little bit here before if that's okay with the commission. Oh, I I did want to ask the commission uh I know you have two separate public hearings. you you want me to address both of those
both uh items in in one talk here. What I might do is let's let's get your comments here and before we start the actual presentation piece, I do want to give everybody else an opportunity to speak to
um Well, if you have other things you want to add there, but but before we jump into the presentation, I just want to make sure everybody in the room has a chance to so Oh, no. That's okay. That's just fine. See if there's any other comments of any kind. And there may I don't know if there is or not. So far, I've just received the
two. But yeah, I can back up then and do the presentation. Just we'll give us just a couple minutes. And yeah, if you want to. So with that, is there anyone else present who would like to speak for or against the the application we have
right now? The conditional use permit for Cedar Woodland's third parcel ID84.20. 20.12.080290. And if you do, I would just ask that you come up to the podium and state your name and address for the record.
My name is Jackie McFarland and I'm on 807 Norman Lane Southeast. Um, neighbors to Josh. Um, I question also the um need for the access and where you've put the access coming out of that neighborhood.
It is coming right into the um right behind on the side of my house. Um there's a a road there that goes it used to be a road that they used as a service road to get to the our sewer system when we were maintaining it ourselves. Um and it is still there. There's nothing up
there to guard it. And I question why they they're putting it right there. it's so close to it that people are going to try and go down that path. Um, and it's not really a drivable path anymore, but I do question why they are doing that. It it it needs to be moved in my opinion. It's just in the wrong
spot. It either has to move over further or something. it it just cannot be there because it's it's going to want people are going to want they're going to be curious and it's not what we want as homeowners to have people think they're going to be curious and walk down our easement
and exper and explore I guess so to us it just seems like we're asking for that to be moved and I guess that's just all I wanted to say because I'm really opposed to having people walk down on the side of my house
because it's really close and I just um believe they can find a different spot for that. and also worry about kids riding bikes and getting cuz that is such a weird it's a it's if you if you look at the map and you see
where that is, it's really close to that old service access and there used to be a gate up there, but they've taken it down since you guys decided to do the sewer system. It was taken down. It wasn't much of a gate, but enough to deter people from driving down. Um, and
the way it is, the city of Orono um, broke one of my windows when they were um, putting in the sewer system and they're trying to tell me it's a bird. So anyway, I'm not real appreciating the fact that and and the stuff was so close to my house. My house was rattling when
they were putting in the system because it was such a tight squeeze. So anyway, I would appreciate if they would reuse revisit that. I don't know who I don't know who's actually in charge of that, but I'd like to have that revisited, please. Thank you.
Uh, is there anyone else present who would like to speak for or against the application? This is for the conditional use permit Cedar Woodland's third parcel ID 84.20.12.0802.
080290. And with that, uh, before I close the public hearing, do we just ask online, is there anyone present online that would like to speak? And before we close the public hearing,
let's go ahead if you wanted to, Bill. We'll put that up there and let's see if we can make sure everybody out there can also see. All right. You want to walk us through your slides there? Yeah, I would like to. It's part of the
presentation. Hold on. Sorry. Uh so again I'm Bill Tinton with WSC. I'm here representing the developer owner Kosh regards to the PUD and the preliminary plan. We did conduct a pre-development meeting with the city
staff and city administrator along with planners and engineers from Stantech on May 28th. And the purpose of that meeting was to find a process for what we were to do for the development process to go from where we are today, a concept plan to the finish line with the
final plat. What was outlined for us? Um, and in addition, we had a a neighborhood meeting, second neighborhood meeting in June 30th. So the plans that they're going to see tonight are the same ones that they were showing on June 30th. So with regards to the PUD process, those
provide plans for the project uh which you would approve through a conditional use permit. PUD to me is similar to a site plan. If you're familiar with the whole site development plan, um according to the zoning code, PD is used on new projects for undeveloped land,
which Cedar Wilderness qualifies for. It's a flexible means uh to permit development through the condition use process. The second application we have is a preliminary plat which we did submit with a PUD and it's simply combining two out lots into one regular
lot which then we're we're able to build on on the property. Your code does not allow buildings on out lots. And then along with that we submitted preliminary plans for grading utilities, street plans etc. uh with a with a preliminary
plan which is also required by the order. Future steps we have are final pl final construction plans a development agreement home ownership documents sorry condo documents and then the actual construction of the project. Um
and the next slide is the original concept plan we started with of the first neighborhood meeting. It was presented to the planning commission forformational purposes. Again, it's the same number of condo units. It's 13 and a half acres. It's got private roads,
pedestrian trails, central storm water treatment facility. And at that time, we had five access points to Cedar Point Road. The new new drawing, which is the next slide, a little more clarity here. We have refined this plan and reduced the access
drives to three. I'm not sure where the speaker was talking about where our road was coming out to Cedar Point is the very southeast corner. We took the southernly one out. We have just one one in that location. The other one is a
dead end up there at the right where's his cursor is. So, um that's what we have right now. And the other thing we did um add additional remote parking or satellite parking as we call it. We
upsized the private roads. Uh we had a 26 foot wide paved area. We now have a 28 foot along with concrete curbon gutter. So we have a 30- foot wide section. Um I did not get a chance to
talk to the Orno fire. I do have I did have a chance to speak with Rochester fire. Uh they run aerial apparatus which is the largest piece of equipment that you'll see responding to a house fire. They need a minimum of 26 feet to put their outriggers down and get the aerial
ladder up if they need to use it. Uh we have 28 ft, no parking, so it'll be clear to go. EMTs, same thing. They need 28 ft just to maneuver through the center of the road and get to uh some particular emergency. So we have increased the road width and put the
curbon gutter in there, which is a change from our original plant. We also added a dog park area. You can see it just kind of north and west of the uh storm water pond where we find the shape and size of the storm water pond. We
have some comments from Mr. Palin we need to address with the final plans regarding the drainage uh calculations and so forth. Um we've rearranged the buildings a little bit but we still maintain the 40 foot separation that hasn't changed since the beginning of the project.
Um, we also, uh, went from a, if you remember, we had a garbage compactor in the south end of the subdivision previously and we eliminated that and we're going to go to individual garbage pickup. I think that was a question in
the staff report, but we are we are noted in we noted that in our narrative that we submitted. We're going with individual garbage pickup within the subdivision. The next slide is um the pedestrian facilities. I wanted to emphasize that uh we're committed to
building pedestrian trail system along sorry pedestrian path along Cedar Point Drive from the northwest corner to the northeast. This does not show it going to the northeast, but the staff uh your planner uh Evan Mson has recommended
that. We are agreeable to doing that. We will we will make that connection to the south. I'm not sure at what time in the future somebody might extend it, but we we're we'll take it care of it to our property line. Um it was also recommended in the staff report to reverse the pedestrian path and the
sidewalk. So the sidewalk would be on the left side of that drawing the red which was originally on your land use plan an actual pedestrian path. So, the recommendation from staff and if you agree with it, we will reverse them and
we will make the 10-ft path start at the northwest corner, go all the way to the southeast corner, and then uh we will have our sidewalk be the westerly side next to the commercial stuff on the west side of the road there. So, that's that's a something you you as a
commission would need to direct us to do. I mean, we're good to do it, but you have to tell us that it's okay. Um, next slide is our utility layout. You can see that uh backing in two points on the sewer, one on the southwest corner, one
over on the east side. Uh, we're looping the water through the uh project. Um, the staff report indicates there's there is sufficient capacity to handle handle the servicing of the sewer within a
subdivision at full buildout. Um just quickly if you read the staff report uh on the PUD it notes a couple important things. One is that we meet the intent of the ordinance with our density the density range and your
ordinance is one unit of 4.5 per acre. We're at 3.95. So we we are under the four and a half. So we do meet your criteria for that. We're not asking for any variances on this project. Um, private roads are allowed under the PUD,
so there's no need for a variance request for that. Um, we talked about the road widths and in the staff report, uh, Mr. Mson concludes the recommendation to approve the Preview with six conditions that are
noted on the last page of the report. We're in agreement with those conditions that are mentioned there. And that would conclude my presentation on the PUB. So I do have some for the preliminary plat. It's matter whether you want to take them now or
they're really short. Let's roll up the things going for the night. Yeah. All right. So the next slide is preliminary plat. So we combine the two allouts into one big lot here uh which is which is required to get a building permit for residential use. We've got easements for pedestrian paths and
sidewalks and utilities that will be showing on the plat as it moves into the final stage and staff is recommending approval of the plary plat uh based on criteria that was provided by your planner and with six conditions that are
listed in the staff report. Our client is uh in agreement with those six conditions. So in summary, the development of Cedar Woodlands condos is consistent with existing land use and zoning through the PUB conditional use process and the
preliminary PL process would be compliant with the zoning and subdivision code. We have adequate vehicle and pedestrian connectivity for the project. We're on municipal water and sewer and we are providing on-site storm water treatment. So again, the
planning support recommends approval of both items. the PUD/cond conditional use permit and the preliminary plan again we're in agreement with conditions that Mr. among them listed in this report. One that you need to decide is
recommendation to move the outside being tempest path and sidewalk. But we we are agreeable to doing that if you all are there any questions that you have at this time or there's anything comes up I
can come back. We may have some while we have our discussion but for now thank you. Thank you. Yep. With that, I'm going to ask one last time. We are on the first of the two public hearings, the conditional use permit for Cedar Woodlands third. With
that, is there anyone that would like to speak for or against the application? Is there anyone present that would like to speak for or against the application? Now, we have heard from a couple people and with Yes. I'm wondering Center Road.
Do you want to Could you just state your name and address here? Yeah. Aaron Parker. I live right across the street from Two Sisters. Um, I was just curious with that Cedar Center Road, are they going to be widening that widening that or marking
it with lanes because there's a bus that goes there and drops kids off and and I'm kind of concerned about that with no markings on the road and it's a curvy road. Mhm. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else present
who has not had a chance that would like to speak for or against the application? With that, I will close the public hearing. It is 7:01 and we could go ahead. Evan,
you want to walk us through the staff report? Yeah, certainly. Thank you, Madame Chair, and good evening, Commissioner. So, as you noted in uh the developers presentation, I got two items before you tonight, and I'll go through both of
those here in this staff report for you. Uh you have that preliminary plat to combine those two outlots into one buildable lot. And then you have that conditional use permit or CUP. You'll see that acronym throughout to allow what's called a planned unit development
or PUD. So those are those two acronyms you see. Um you may recall this property, the outlot A, so the west half of the site uh was recently reguided in the future land use map as well as reszoned from B2 to R2 to allow for
residential use. Uh that was approved by the city at their April council meeting. Um, so just to give a little bit of overview, this project does propose 54 units in total. Uh, those will be spread between 14 different buildings, which you've seen in some of those site plans
for you tonight. Um, each building would contain four units. Uh, each unit would be either a two, three, or four bedroomedroom unit. Um, they would all have attached garages. They would all then have driveways that access onto those private roads throughout the site. Um those private roads are shown with
those two accesses as we saw earlier on to Cedar Center Avenue Southeast and then a couple onto Cedar Point Road Southeast. Um the applicant again did note that there was parking throughout the site that he refers to as satellite parking. Uh so that could be used by
guests or visitors visiting those uh dwelling units. In addition to the condos, they also noted they were adding some other features onto the site. Uh that included a swimming pool and a recreation building and then you have a dog park and that storm water treatment
pond on the northeast side of the site. Um they also did note that there would be what's called a condominium association. So that would act similar to an HOA and they would manage any of those shared spaces. So that dog park, uh the storm water treatment pond, the swimming pool, and that recreation
building. I'm going through the rest of your staff report. You'll note uh the two requests before you tonight. Both these get to go before you here at the planning commission and then uh depending on your recommendation, it would then go forward to the city council for final approval
or denial. Um as part of that platting process, right now the preliminary plat is that first step and then if that preliminary plat is approved by the city council, they then come back with what's called a final plat in the future. Uh going through the staff report,
you'll see on page three, we get into the evaluation. Uh we'll start with your comprehensive plan. So again, uh the overarching guide for future development in your city. Uh you do have what's called the future land use maps. That kind of guide is a little specifically uh what you'll see on different
development sites throughout the city. Um you'll do see a graphic that again notes uh those different zones or designations. Uh you'll note that the one part of the site is colored red that was recently changed to that orange color to allow for that uh residential
use in the future. Um you also see on that graphic some different uh green lines. Those are proposed trails. And so you'll note uh the applicant noted a discussion about sidewalks versus trails. So, initially, as you can see on that graphic, the
green line showed a pedestrian trail running uh roughly north south through the site uh in discussion with staff, we felt given the context of the development to the west, uh so the gas gas station and then uh the Glenn's Motorcoach property, it might make more
sense to uh flip-flop those two uh pedestrian options. And so, you'd have instead of the pedestrian trail, which a little wider, uh you would have that run along the north and the east of the site. and then terminate at the southern border and then that sidewalk which is a little narrower in width uh that would
run along the east side. Uh going through the rest of the staff report uh you'll note again that future land use plan uh does refer to that designation of multif family residential that does correspond to the residential
2 or R2 zone in your city code. Um the comprehensive plan does note uh those densities for what you're expecting for some of those designated properties. Um and again that is between 1 and 4 and a half units which um this property would come out to a density when fully built
out of 3.95 units per acre. So you're within that uh frame of reference for density. Um getting into your city code, there's a couple different things. So the PUD will cover that one first. Uh planned unit development. Uh it's kind of a
unique way to allow development uh that's more larger scale and size than uh just a single family house on an individual parcel. Um that PUD is granted or approved by the city through what's called that cup or conditional use permit. And so there's a couple
different requirements that you'll see outlined in that staff report for you tonight. Uh there's a few criteria in particular for the PUB um that we reviewed at the staff level and based on the plan submitted to us uh does appear to be meeting those criteria.
Uh for the CUP again uh that condition use permit there's criteria that the city reviews as well. Uh you'll see those outlined on pages four and five of your staff report before you tonight. Um those again are also met as well. uh we
would know there's a few minor items that would need to be changed or added on to as part of the developers process moving forward. So, uh there's a few items that they may need to provide either more information on such as outdoor lighting or signage to make sure that we can review and ensure they meet
your code requirements. And then there's some other small items as well such as uh easements for different infrastructure items. Uh going through further into your staff report. So on page six, we get into that preliminary plat. And so that is covered
under your subdivision code. And so that preliminary plat is how they're um combining those two outlots into one uh new buildable lot. And so um you do have a couple comments from the engineering staff which are also attached in a a memo from my colleague Joe Palin who's
also on the call tonight for you. Um in addition to the preliminary plat there is a requirement of parkland dedication. Anytime you subdivide land within the city for a plat um the city can acquire land to be dedicated for a new park. Um,
alternatively, if there's no plans or desire for a park, you do what's called a fee in lu or a cash payment in uh in exchange for not having a park. You might donate uh to the city. So then the city can uh repurpose those funds for parks throughout the rest of the city.
Um since the applicant site does not have any plans for park based on uh the current city plans, uh staff would recommend a dedication of cash be made to the city. um that is in accordance with section 151.288
of your city code. Um and specifically it does state how that value comes up and so that is based on 10% of the fair market assessed value of the site uh which in this case would come out to um $80,11.
Um the city may also want to consider um the trail that's being proposed by the applicant as an offset from that amount. And so we did note, you know, if whether it's the city or the developer uh gets a quote for that cost of the trail, you could consider that as uh offsetting
part of that cash donation as well since uh the trail and the sidewalks would kind of function similar to uh open green space or park space that you might see elsewhere in the city. I do have some comments on page seven uh that were received as part of our
review. We send that out to other staff and agencies for comment. I did get some comments from the county in regards to addressing and then uh the naming of the private streets. Um I would note again that uh my colleagues comments are compiled in a staff report that he has
submitted to you as well and those cover uh engineering and then any drainage and grading items. So to summarize, you do have three options for each request. uh you recommend that the city council approve of it with findings for approval and then you can add or not add
conditions of approval. Uh you can also recommend if you find that those criteria that we discussed were not met, you could have findings for denial and recommend the city council deny. And then ultimately if you feel there's some additional issues you wish to review, you can table the request for further
review and study. I would note at the end of my report, so page seven, 8, and nine, you do have those recommendations for each item. Um, so the first item that we're doing the hearing on tonight, uh, that conditional
use permit, uh, staff does recommend approval based on the filing findings. Uh, four findings that you'll see listed there. Um, noting that it does meet the requirements for a PUD as outlined in city code. Um, two, that it meets the requirements for a conditional use permit, again as outlined under city
code. Uh, three, the request would be consistent with the guidance for the site as it identified in the comprehensive plan. And four, that the request would create a development that meets the requirements of your R2 zoning district. Um, for that cup, if you do choose to
approve, we would recommend six conditions. um one that they would be consistent with the proposed plan as dated 425 that was reviewed with this request. Um and in addition any changes or amendments uh the commission or the city council
makes. Uh two, that plan has to be revised to adhere to the requirements of the city engineer as outlined in his memo dated 7825. Uh third, the proposed plan would have to adhere to the preliminary plat as well as the final plat which we're also
reviewing here tonight. uh for that proposed recreation building. Uh you'll see that wreck building label on the plan shall not be used for any use not permitted or allowed within the underlying zoning district. So that be that R2 zone. Five, the applicant had to get any other permits they need. So
whether it's to the city, uh the county, state, or the feds, and then get any other approvals as well. And then lastly, they'll have to pay any fees or escros required for this request. Then I would note you do have that preliminary plant recommendation in there as well. Um again that
recommendation was uh for approval based on a handful of following or findings here which are that it does meet the request or requirements for a plenary plat again as outlined under city code. The request would be consistent with your future land use plan and your
comprehensive plan. Uh it would create a development that meets your requirements of your R2 zone. uh for that plary plat which is your uh next hearing item. There's also another couple conditions of approval. Um those would be that the plat would have to be
consistent with the proposed preliminary plat. And so any changes or amendments you or the council make, they would have to incorporate those into their final plat as well, which again is that next step in the process after this if it does move forward with approval. Um,
two, they would have to adhere to the requirements of the city engineer again as outlined in his memo dated 7825. And then there's a couple specific comments regarding utilities, creating and drainage, uh, private driveways and the pedestrian facilities. And then um,
sanitary sewer and water main as well as storm water management. Um, three, we include the comment about parkland dedication fee. um that fee in lie of land coming out to $80,11. Um 3A does note that they can submit
information identifying the cost of those trails and sidewalks um as an offset. Uh condition four for that preliminary plat would be that they would enter into what's called a development agreement. So that' be a contract between the city and the developer that would specify um how
things are built and constructed in the project. Uh condition five would be that again they would have to secure any other required appro permits or approvals. Uh so whether that's through here us here at the city uh the county, state or the feds. Then lastly again they'd have to pay any fees or escros
associated with this request. So that is the report for you. Thank you for those who've got your packets or maybe are following along with the online packets. We were looking at the last pieces he was reading up were really of the packets page 28, 29,
and 30 roughly just for everybody to make sure we're all looking at the same thing. Any discussion up here? Questions? I just have a couple questions that I've got written down here. So, I think some of my questions I had about the
pedestrian path were somewhat answered. Um, we want to make sure with the greater number of people living there density wise that people have a way to walk around without having to walk on the same areas being used by cars. Uh,
the other one I know when this came through the first time, I had a question about the private roads because I did have some concerns about emergency service vehicles getting through and it does sound like they have been widened. So, that part I appreciate.
Uh, outdoor lighting, it sounds like somebody else had brought that up. So, that is one of the pieces out there that was to be addressed yet. So that's something that
I had a question about. Uh landscaping I have seen come up before on other earrings, other applications and I have seen even for gravel pits where you can require on the zoning side
that they put in x number of trees or shrubs or bushes as a condition. I have seen something like that previously. So if that's something as a group you wanted to cons consider adding that they would have to put x number of whatever
and you can even specify sizes of at least one foot or 2 feet that need to be a of even a species of a you know not so I have seen things like that that can be done on the zoning side as a condition for landscaping.
The other question I had, and I've gone through it and I keep hearing garages, and this is one that's come up as we've looked through rewriting some of the zoning code for the city, is it says garages. Are these originally I think it was proposed to be um very small onecar
garages. Are these twocar garages? Twocar garages. Okay. because I do know that's what the commission and the task force, the steering committee had looked at and they've looking to change the city code. So, it's at least twocar garages because that was one of the
original concerns with the narrow streets, less parking that if you have one car, most of these would have probably at least two cars per residence or a car and a fridge and a toy of some kind in a garage. So, that was my other one that I had
questions on was the size of the garages. So, two cars minimum. Perfect. Questions? Anybody else up front here? Would there be access for those walking paths? Will there be access built in for
Cedar Drive and Cedar Point to access that or will there be a ditch or grass between the road accesses? somebody coming off of say walking off of Cedar Drive can walk straight onto
that walking path from the city's city engineers perspective. Yes, that is something that ultimately we would want to work into the construction plans at strategic locations. work. One question I have is that last access
point that came up through some of the discussions going on tonight. So, I've been to some of the public meetings that you guys have held and appreciate some of the detail and I would say consideration you put into this and some of the changes. And this question maybe more for you Joe, but is there any
requirement on that last access point due to emergency services and having a quicker access to get back to some of those houses? Is there anything around that or the more convenience? I do think that's part of the consideration. um having multiple access
points for emergency vehicles both in and out um is is an issue is a concern that we do look at and um you know on that easterly phase you've got 1 2 3 4
five six units and one maybe two axises I guess really serving them not that they couldn't go uh to the west But, uh, most likely they'll head to the north or east to get to Cedar Point Road. And so, yes, that
is a that is a consideration. And I I do want to see an access in that southerntherly area there to Cedar Point Road Southeast. I think it's a public safety issue, an
emergency vehicle access issue. Thank you. So, originally it was proposed as five. Right now it's on paper it is the three. Yes. Three onto Cedar Point Road and two on
to Cedar Center Avenue. Any other discussion up front here? And I'm assuming that you guys are planning on some type of landscaping that I can't see a development like this going in without something.
So, if if there were to be some type of additional requirement, it you're not opposed to putting in landscaping. It just No, may may I address that? Yeah, sure. The reason we didn't produce the landscaping plan with thisary P is the fact that should we should you all make
a decision that we have to change some of the roads, some of the buildings would have been a waste of time to provide landscaping, most of Dragon's properties exceeds for the minimums amounts of landscaping in this project because they want it to look good too.
So yes, there will be a landscape plan and it will have adequate landscaping to buffer the effects of the housing along Cedar Point Road. And internally, I would add too, there's some landscaping shown on the last sheet of
the preliminary plan submittal um the last sheet of your packet. In fact, uh you can see there are some trees and landscape features that are proposed uh adjacent to the buildings. um
in some areas and I I do you know I would anticipate that as the plans develop further there'll be landscaping up against houses and or the the building units and and and other places likely as well. Yeah, I'm I'm anticipating that too. I
just know, madame chair, if you want, you could recommend that as a condition, a final landscaping plan and then that final lighting plan as part of that final plat. And I know with landscaping sometimes you can structure it so that if you have
areas that people walk or don't walk, you can put shrubs in a certain area if you want to discourage people from cutting across the road to other areas or encourage either way. So that's something that could be looked at during a landscaping plan.
Now, help me out here with if we are to require something like that as a condition of final landscaping and a final lighting plan, would those necessarily have to come back to planning and zoning or would those be taken care typically by the city or is it something that could go either way?
Typically, that would go before at minimum the city council if that's something uh they wish or you wish to have come back to you that you could set that as a condition as well. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions up front here
for Is it fair to ask a question about the retention pond? Yeah. So, I know we kind of picked your brain a little bit too, but like had it stated for kind of the group, but the retention pond obviously some of the concerns have been brought up as kids in
the area. There's a walking path that's going to run right along that retention pond. Is there any kind of boundary any maybe it's landscaping, maybe it's something that you put around it to kind of keep access away from that retention pond that goes right there? because again, you know, often times you'll see
them tuck back to somewhere within a neighborhood, but that's obviously kind of right out in the open there next to other houses that are already established. So, I'm curious other thoughts there. So, so if you like, um, we would prefer to use the landscaping
kind of the rule of thumb in the industry is don't fence them. Yep. Causes more problems. Kids climb over the fence because it's there. Landscaping is a better way of doing it. So, we can take care of that with landscape plan. Perfect. Okay. I would tell you from being a first responder, I'd much prefer landscaping over a fence if somebody's
having trouble. Now, we've got to try and cut through a fence. It just is more of a concern that I know has come up through other discussions, too. So, yeah. So, I would add to that that we do require that the ponds be constructed with a safety bench at the normal water
level uh of, you know, 10 ft horizontal to the a foot drop. So, it's a 10-ft safety bench. So the first 10 ft of the pond, you have to walk in 10 ft to get a foot deep. And so that's a a pretty standard component that we incorporated
into the ponds for for safety. And I would agree with uh Bill's comment as well. We we do not typically recommend fencing ponds. It's an obstacle for emergency services if there is an accident and it seems to uh at
times attract people needlessly and it also um makes maintenance of those facilities much more difficult. Thank you. All right, good questions. Appreciate the answers from everybody.
Any more questions or does somebody have a motion they'd like to make? I'll make a motion to approve uh the conditional use permit number one uh with uh the added things of uh some
landscaping directive that would be so we get an idea take a look and see what you have for landscaping and then also to take a look at what you were planning for lighting in the area as well. I think those are the two critical things that there are. So, I
make a motion to approve with those two conditions. Want to approve it with swapping the pedestrian trail and the sidewalk. Yeah, I think that that that makes sense to try to put a a walking trail through there. The sidewalks walks make a whole lot more sense, you know, to be able to
do that to work your way around if you're going to be going to gas and go or anything else. If you've got the sidewalks that were put in there, I think that that makes sense. So putting the pedestrian trail around the north and side you are using the sidewalk that goes
around flip-flopping them in these plans. Yeah. So if I'm hearing this correctly, you would approve it with the the cup with the conditions that are listed on page 30 and 31 of the packet. one that was
approved yet based on the findings and the six conditions and you would add a condition seven that is the a final landscaping and final lighting plan be received. Do you want that at city council back planning and zoning?
I think we can do it at city council. I think that that would be fine. And then a pedestrian trail sidewalk flip-flop would be number eight as they discussed in the presentation. Yeah. How are they? Yeah. However, it was worded there. That would be number eight.
So, we've got a first. We second that. And second that. Any other discussion? We have a first, a second. No further discussion. All in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Anyone abstained? Okay.
With that, this goes as a recommendation to city council for approval on that conditional use permit. We do have a second public hearing that is going to happen. That is going to now sound almost identical to the one we just had. This is the second public hearing. I
will be opening this now officially at 7:27. And this is the for the preliminary plat application for Cedarwoodlands 3 parcel ID 84.2. 20.12.080290. And again, we will be opening this now
for public comments. This is on the preliminary plat. Is there anyone present that would like to speak for or against this particular application? Is there anyone present that would like
to speak for or against the application? Is there anyone present? I do have to say this three times, folks. Is there anyone present that would like to speak for or against the application hearing? None. We're going to close the public hearing at 7:28.
We have heard the staff report. Now, we are looking on the packet. Instead of page 30, it's rolling it back to page 29 there, the preliminary plat recommendation.
And with that from the preliminary plat, we do have the findings of approval that start in the bottom of page 29 and then go through with recommendations going onto the top of page 30 for conditions starting at one going through
six. Is there any discussion on this? Do we need It does say here final plat approval. I don't know if we You're also looking to put your same final landscaping, final lighting, pedestrian, trail, sidewalk, flop
just to make sure we have it covered. Make sure you've got it covered in both. So they're the same. I make a motion to approve that for with those two uh conditions that are there for landscaping and lighting. Make sure that comes back to city council.
So if there's any adjustments that need to be made, they'd be made there. I'll second that. First and second. Thank you again. Any more discussion on that? Hearing none, we'll move to a vote. All
in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Anyone abstained? The motion passes as a recommendation to city council for approval. With that, we can take a one minute break if both or they can stick around
and listen to us talk about the date of our meeting in August. Very welcome. Thank you for your time this evening. Thank you. Thank you. You arrange my papers. Let's move into our new business then. I've noticed our August meeting is set
for the same Thursday as gold rush. There will be 100 vendors or so set up at least around. There will be people that there will not be a parking lot easily parkable in. So the question is, do we want to move our
meeting a week before? Do we want to move it a week after sisters? I love um two sisters. There's parking there. Second. Um what I don't know what our options are.
Uh do we move it? I don't know what other nights of the week are available. We would move it. We moved it before that be the seventh. One second. All right. Let me look and see what was going on. You do that seventh that week. I I will be at a golf outing. I may or may not have been.
Well, the seventh is a no-go is what I'm hearing. Okay. At a golf outing as well, but it'll be a Gulf of Mexico. So, if we go with that, looking at our city council this month, that's going to be that next Tuesday after that.
pretty quick turn around. So council is the move it back. We would put it up city council, right? Move it back a week. We put it after city council. The city council will be the 19th
and next Thursday would be the 21st. Um, I don't know what public hearings we're looking at for next week or next month, but potentially we're going to have a longer one that will be the whole city code. Now, if we have that one and the meetings after, it's just a little
longer window before it goes to council. And that's okay on that one. The only ones I'd be concerned on is if we have somebody that's trying to get a a building change through or put a garage in or something like that. Is it possible to look at room availability
even for that Wednesday or Tuesday of that week of the so look at the 12th or the 13th possibly I will be here that Tuesday but Wednesday I will be out of town Tuesday
would work better for me as well we shoot for the 12th the 12th that's the city council Hopefully 12th has water and sewer at 6:30. So potentially there might be a different room
squeeze into another room somewhere. He's not there. Close the door. Yeah. Yeah. So they both have to be recorded and I don't know that there's actually a requirement that we record these. There there isn't a requirement to
record. Nice to have. It's right. Um, we might be able to take this room and have water and sewer take the other even talk to them and see if they want to. The city can just tell us which room we
should go to. Yep. That's what I water and sewer often meets at the wastewater treatment plant facility. So, we could do that if necessary if that helps. So, let's tentatively shoot for the 12th
if everything lines up roomwise. That's what we'll look for. We'll make sure that gets posted so everything gets rescheduled correctly. Sure. Okay. I have regulators on site that day, day two. So, I'm hopeful that I will get to get away. And this I don't
want this to be my excuse to get away, but it just might be. All right. With that, we don't have anybody next present for old business A to open position. So there's no candidates to interview. I did see city did post
something out there on the their social media. So WSB, we still have our code. It's written. The website is ready to launch. They literally are just being dragged down a little bit timewise because the
DNR is dragging their toes looking at the code. And it has to meet state law. It does meet state law, but we're just waiting for them to be happy with everything. and then we will get that posted. I'm hoping to see that in the next week. They've had it now over a
month. So, is there any way to start that public hearing process before DNR comes back? Well, and that was something I was going to ask you guys. Do you feel comfortable enough that we could just say, "Hey, city, here's what it is. We could put
something out there just saying the DNR is still looking at this section and this section. Just so you know, we have to comply with state law. They're going to tell us if we are or not. So, we follow what they say. If you guys are comfortable with that, we can probably get that out there in the next week.
So, I think the original timeline was to have a month, right? We can knock it out and we can knock if we can knock two weeks early. That would be that would be great. Are you guys comfortable with we just roll with what it is now? Okay. Um and and I think with with what we have
too with gold rush, it might be that it's we can have a discussion also for people maybe we can have the public hearing that Tuesday before gold rush and it goes to council after gold rush. So that would be that would be really good to get that
and if we want that full month out there then I think we we go ahead and move forward that way and then I don't know if we officially you know do a two week once it's approved and but it's make it available we can push it out to the website at any
time I think and we just have to post the notice for when the public hearing is going to be and I would post it for August. I would like to get it out the code out there and it's Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. I think we as soon as we can get it out, we get it out.
Okay, that's what I'll go with and we'll get that rolling. you and I were talking about we're talking about riverside stuff about is setbacks because we have a a river going through town and waterways and anytime you have that
there's state laws that have to be complied with and they own that. So nothing we can do nothing we can really do but say we have to have it in there and tell us what we need. So and I'm fine with that. That helps protect our drinking water. It helps protect a lot of things. So, um, but
with that, we'll just keep going plugging. I'll get that out there and rolling. I will double check to make sure that we can get a rep from WSB here on the 12th because I am going to try and have somebody be here in person. Lori is hoping to be here in person for that.
Yeah. Um, so that that's the plan on that one is that we have a representative here to help us walk through 600 some pages of code or whatever we're down to. That's the the smaller number. It was 800 or
something. Um, okay. Anything more on that? As soon as it's published, I think that Yeah, perfect. I think that's awesome. And everybody got the packet I had emailed out. Okay, good. I will send out
your blind copy, you know, was nice on there, too. Do what I can to make sure we're all complying with the open meeting and nobody can email back and Yeah. Anyway, the anything more on WSB or we'll just get
that one rolling. Moving on to monthly incoming zoning applications and questions. Well, there isn't one that's uh in writing right now. There's been a couple permits that were there, but uh there seems to be some questions coming up
with the greens and that's going to be for their restaurant, their store, and and whatever else. And so he's gone this week on vacation and I had asked him to come and at least present some of the
stuff that's going on here because we're probably going to be looking at a variance on what's happening and so I think it's a good time for them to get make sure I'm following correctly and everybody else we're talking the property that's on Minnesota that
next to the post office. Yes. The white building has previously been a shed or garage in there storage I think or whatever warehouse I don't know what looking at the post office right next to it north it's the side of the north post office
parking lot and then it's that building and there's some remodeling and changes that have been going on I think I saw the other day they were digging hooking up the water that was next door I think yeah it was all there was yeah you'll see when you drive by there so they've been wanting to do that for
what are they wanting to do that they're going to be putting in I think it's a little bit of a restaurant maybe restaurant coffee shop ice cream I keep hearing different things so and another little store that they because they own uh touch of green
in Rochester so they're going to be bringing part of that store there too what is that it's a cute shopping store okay your wife ask your wife ask any yes which I think is a great addition to the city. From there, you might have more and more things that are going to be
coming in because of that. So, great. But I just want to make sure that everybody's aware of what they were trying to do to do it the right way. So, Okay. Um, yeah. The only other thing I know that we should be getting applications through are lots of new roofs. There's
been some fail. I got a new roof. So, yeah. Four years. New roof. Yeah. But um beyond that, I know not too much else wise at least has filtered to me
and no written report. So maybe next month we'll get the current month and the past month. So there's more questions that come out of it. Then Nash property, I know there has been a little bit of movement on that one as well. Yeah,
heard about that one. But I believe Jason has been in conversation with them to some extent and they may be making some changes there finally of some kind or another.
So that's maybe when Jason's no longer in here, but maybe next month we'll find out if any more has happened on that. I've just heard there's conversations happening now. Uh, next I had Gold Rush Crossing. We had heard something. This is going back a ways. I have not heard anything new on
the city side. I don't know if they're continuing to go through it on the township side, that gold rush crossings piece, but I haven't heard anything else that's come out of that. Yeah, I'm just leaving it here until I hear one way or the other to take it off. And then nothing further on the
driveway one either. I did check with him the other day and nothing going on now. So beyond that we still have standing out there is anyone is interested in uh being an officer or a
vice chair which is the backup officer. We do have an officer officer positions currently open for anyone interested. I think you two on council are off the hook because you're council members but
We were going to wait for the other person to come in. So, we were so start We need to start recruiting. That's what it is. Anything else? Anything else we're missing? Anything else we missed? Anything else I did or didn't get done
right here tonight? I think everything was done perfect. The WSB. I don't know that I got anything if that's what you sent out. Um, I got the pack of WSB as well. The only thing I I didn't get what they put up there. I got what I got from the city.
So, sorry for the code. Um, or the what update? The Did you say you sent out the packet of like the 600 pages? No, I not emailed that. I noticed.
When I do that, I will send an email to everyone of Carb and you all again. So, you all have here is the link. We're not going to print off 600 pages of code, but it's there if you want it. So, all right. With that, we are now at
7:44. Anybody want to make a motion to adjurnn? I have a motion. I'll do a second on that one. First and a second. Thank you and thank you. All in favor of adjourning, say I. I. Anyone opposed?
No abstensions. We are now adjourned. It is 7:44. Thank you very much. Thanks guys. Have a good night. Thank you. Never sure about Robert's rule of order
what we got to do, but since he posts to two separate ones, we have to do them something. Did you upgrade your shingles into the No, you got to upgrade them to the level four. And no, I'm still like 2 in hail or
whatever. One and a 3/4. I'm like, you know, I want to retire to the lake in 10 years, maybe. They're really not that much more money. They're not. Yeah. All these other people will tell you they are, but I sell them and they're not. We're building a cabin right now. That's where I want to put you.
There you go. Which I got word today that the house part was complete, so all the trades can come in now. HVAC guy. They got to move some stuff to the site and then I know. Very good. Very good.
But no, so I didn't didn't upgrade. Thought about it for a couple minutes and I was like, "No, can't do it." Eventually it won't be an upgrade. I think all should go to I think so too. Two and a half inch hail. Yeah.
I think building codes are going to change to