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All right. >> 6:30. >> It is 6:30. And with that, I will call the meeting to order for the city of Oronoko's planning and zoning commission for Thursday, July 1st. Uh, moving into roll call.

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>> I am Commissioner Kathy Brandt Rucker. John Evans >> here. >> Grant Koser absent. Uh Jim Phillips here, >> Scott Sorenson, Daniel Spring,

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>> Justin >> Ricefer. >> Rice Dorfer. Got to make sure I get that one right. All right. Uh with that, we do have quorum for this evening. I will check with if there's any staff online. We have no one here on >> anybody on there. >> Evan Mson,

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Joe Palin. Okay. No one from city staff at this point. Before we go to approval of the agenda for this evening, I do have a couple changes. So instead of open, it is going to say Justin up in the commissioners for roll call. We do under

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new business. Letter A will be July meeting date discussion. Letter I will be update Nash property under old business. Any other changes? The date is June 4th at the top.

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>> Thank you. >> June 4th. It is. >> All right. Any other changes? All right. Well, we will continue on with that. All in favor of the agenda as amended say I. >> I.

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>> Anyone opposed? Same sign. Okay. And we are moving forward. We don't currently have minutes. I know we are working with Otter AI or we were and city staff is working. So hopefully next month we will at some point have a slew of minutes to slog through.

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We do not have any public hearings scheduled for the month of June. I am anticipating there may be something for July just so everybody's aware. >> There may be a few. >> Yeah. So people have been kind of waiting for some of the new code to get

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passed with that. The next thing under new business will be our July meeting date. Currently, we are scheduled for the first Thursday, which would be July 2nd. With the Fourth of July holiday in there, I know there are going to be some absences. Does anyone object if we move

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the meeting to July 9th, same time, same place? All right, >> that works for council date, too, because council >> and I did check with Mel. They've she's got the hold on the room for us here too. So

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>> Well, that's great. Yeah, we have time. >> That'll be enough time. >> So, we will go with July 9th and next month and I will let Mel know to change all the city postings on that. Next, I have just a discussion and with this I was hoping we would have our

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planning and zoning staff, but it's probably time for us to look and review the flute map. So, that's our future land use plan. The city always has one. The county has something similar. Other cities have one. And it it's out there to help us guide us in using our code as

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well as what future land use would be. And that's this map over here. The last time it was really dug into. It's been a long time. There it was a small change when they went through and did the the city water and sewer the sewer. it

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to get updated, but they really didn't take a deep dive look at the rest of it to see. And it's not saying that we're going to make changes, but it is time for us to look at that, see if we do need to make any changes. Um, I know one of the things that I've heard discussions offline here has been future

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city growth and infrastructure for city services. So, city hall, city services, emergency services, you know, are the buildings that we have today, and I know there was a building inventory that was just recently done as well. But I do know without even reading

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a report that our current infrastructure is has got some aches and pains. So, uh the other thing I've heard is the discussion if you think of the city like a river. Uh with that we have everything concentrated on this side right now and

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we do want to think about at some point do we put some type of building over here and one way to do that is to designate land that could be used for either future parks future infrastructure so city designated land

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to the amendment. So, if we're talking a future city building or whatever, it may be something to think about. It's not anything we're going to get into a discussion on tonight, but I just want to put that on everybody's radar that we will at a future month. I'll work with

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our planner and get some information so everybody understands what this is to begin with. So, a little bit of education and then we'll go into the discussion of what do we think we need and there'll probably be a public hearing or two so we can get community input.

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>> So, that is definitely on um when we reviewed the codes, it was part of our discussion for reviewing codes of council is that the the land use map is on the to-do list for council as well. Yep.

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>> So, they had a newer one too that they gave us that we were looking at. >> Yeah. So, there there is already changes to it because of the code. >> Um, >> and there there are a small couple small tweaks that with adoption of the code,

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>> the land use had to be tweaked at that time, but an overall look at it just hasn't been done. >> Yeah. And and I mean looking at it, it depends upon what land we might acquire, you know, and and anything that we could

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get closer to Highway 100 would be ideal for emergency services, fire, rescue, everything else that way to be able to respond quicker, >> you know, and that. So, I mean that would be ideal, but then you look at do

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you look at at the Linda King situation or do you you go on the other side or >> Yeah. I I don't know. It's all up for discussion though, for sure. And I think that's just something we as a group need to at least be aware of and start thinking about.

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>> And and and did First Fire that property that there is across from Casey's? I >> have that down here. I >> I had heard rumors, but I didn't >> No, the purchase has officially happened or not. I just know.

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>> I thought it was because it was actually on >> I think they're close to getting permits. So, they may have purchased >> or the purchase may be contingent on permits. I don't know. >> Okay. I did just see like the um like I

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think it was city or I'll go put out like something about all the different businesses that have >> Oh, it was on the county commissioner, >> what's his name? >> Yes, he put up slideshows of something

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that Mel and >> No, which I I think is great. I I think >> the USA was one of the businesses that they mentioned had officially come to >> No, they were looking at doing it, but >> yeah, I don't know that they've done a

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permit and that sometimes a purchase might be contingent on permitting going through current. >> Yeah. So, I don't we talked about it with the tip thing, right? >> Remember when we had the tip discussion on it? Okay. And then it was kind of >> forward since then. >> Okay. Which is great. Yeah. I think it

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would be good. They'd be a great >> yes to have in orno go. So >> that would be a great location for us to have. >> So yeah, too >> expect more on that one at a future meeting. I just want to this will future meeting won't be the first time you've at least heard the term. So it is a real

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thing. Do we want to look at that as DNZ first or do we want to try and do workshop together with council to just double up and buddy up on that since council will be doing it as well? >> I mean that makes sense if you want to

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do it that way. >> Whatever happens you usually when you're doing a flute mat change you have to go and do a public hearing. >> Oh yeah. >> So it would come back to PNZ one way or the So it have to do public hearing at PNZ. Then >> then goes to council for approval of any changes, map changes.

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>> But but we could do a workshop >> workshop style to do the changes >> without having public hearing >> and then do the public hearing at a meeting and then go to council, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Do you want to work on finding dates to

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schedule a workshop? >> Yeah, I think I can work on that. Remember, we're we're coming into some crazy time way through the year. >> I was going to say, do we want to do >> No, because we have budget >> August. >> Can we do it during a

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PNZ meeting? Can we just have >> a council quorum here? If we announce it, if you publish it, you're fine. >> And we'll do it here in tandem with our meeting. So, I'll >> we could do one at like a 5:30. >> Yeah. an hour before PNZ or so. But

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okay, I'll I'll discuss dates and times with council and >> you can check on that and then let us know. >> And are you so are you expecting July to be pretty heavy with public hearing with >> I think it's >> Yeah, we're not going to do July. >> So it would be later

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August is going to be tough because of >> what we got going on with Gold Rush, >> right? >> Okay. And remember, we got budgets that are coming in that we want to get started on the budget stuff. So I mean if it's just an hour I mean we don't have to solve it in that workshop >> but we can at least start

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>> start it like maybe we pick a section then we give a 30 minutes >> discussion we could do something like topics and then we can after the workshop we can assign it off >> to have some external work everybody doesn't have to be in in the factf

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finding part of here's our questions figure out some answers >> I'm gonna have Evan in on that one too >> what's that >> what Evan And >> yeah, he's going to have >> the vast majority of the major changes that have to be changed with code done

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like that that app's already been created. We just haven't adopted that yet. >> Yeah. >> This is future focus is what this >> So anything outside of the code change discussion, that's where we'll that's where the bulk of the work will be. Um

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because the code changes are are already there's already a map created using this with the new >> Yep. >> stuff. So >> So let's designate you to be our point person from planning and zoning to work on getting something scheduled for us if

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you would be so kind. >> Yes. >> Excellent. Uh moving on after that uh just discussion enforcement and how it works. So planning and zoning is here to as new properties come up, as new uses come up,

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if it doesn't fit the existing code, we're here to have a public hearing, get external input, and make a recommendation to council. So we are not necessarily a decisioning body on that. It does go to one final level for approval, but we do take care of any of

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the regulatory required public hearings. One of the things that does come up from time to time, things that get approved by code or any part of the city code, whether it's zoning or not, uh the enforcement mechanism does not necessarily go through planning and zoning, but sometimes we hear about

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things. So, we will throw them on the agenda just so things don't forget get forgotten and lost along the way, but they do end up going either to city or to council for enforcement. Um, >> yeah, we've got a few of those that are

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>> So, there have been a few in the past. So, just so everybody is aware with that, there is, if we move into letter D, there is one site in town right now that has a tank on it, a big LP tank that is

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has a cup, but they don't have everything done that they were supposed to have done. So, there's some fencing that my understanding is >> fencing, >> trees fencing. There's some requirements that were not met with that. The other piece of that is they were approved for a very large tank and they have one a

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little smaller than what they were approved for. So the question becomes is there because they have not finished everything they were supposed to have done. I don't know that they were ever notified of all of that. And with that, as a city and the way our city has grown

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since that went in, that went in before my day. But coming from fire, safety, all of that side, if there were to be a disaster and that tank was impacted, it would definitely impact a lot of surrounding homes. So,

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>> we're also talking about a green space, too, around that that was supposed to be done because I >> I got contacted by that guy that lives over there. >> Yeah. So there's there's some issues with that one. So what I would request

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is that our council reps take that up, both the enforcement and the tank site with that one. And as we have other ones that come forward, we'll make sure we're referring those as well. One of the things and I don't know this would be a

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a mechanism discussion I guess for council is how do you strongly encourage people to follow the codes >> um >> fines. >> Yeah, I was going to say usually >> you need to start doing fines.

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>> You start at a graduated level of you start with this. It can be waved by the city. The $50 can be waved whatever you make >> it. It's got to be a bite. It couldn't be 50 by each. >> Well, the first one could be each month.

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It can go up and once it gets larger and substantial, you can actually generally put it on the property tax, have filed as a lean on a property >> the same way we do with water. >> Yep. >> Yep. So, I mean, if if council was

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interested and wanted us to take a look at that for zoning, we could certainly on the zoning side put something together for any of the zoning ordinances that don't have an enforcement fine mechanism, we could look at that. And if council then wanted to take that and just say across the

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board, if there's a statute within the city that doesn't have the enforcement laid out, then this would default apply to it. But that would be something >> I think with some of our >> So think about that one. But it's

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>> new stuff like the BSNA program. I think that's going to be easier to track. >> It's not somebody remembering and seeing the sticky note and saying, "No, this date is up. Let me go check on this." This is like something that flags into email or on

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the computer and and it just kicks in automatically. it wasn't done and fines just start and letters start getting sent out. >> Remember Josh was supposed to take down his extra buildings that are >> that's a discussion that needs to happen this month as well. Do we have fines set

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for something like this for >> like never been set there in the past? >> So we we do have fines but I don't know that we've never them. >> Got it. So whether that's precedent setting or not, I don't know. There's

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>> that's code and if we go through and you guys do it, then you set the line and you go with it, right? So >> yes, because there's there's other things that we need to talk about of height of grass on corner lots and

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especially over by you where you know you've got a blind corner and somebody's letting their grass go crazy and they're not cutting it down and it's causing even more blind spots. So like all those discussions on enforcement I think is a good time now. >> Yeah. >> Yep.

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>> Since we just changed >> Yeah. if we're going to >> was that Jason's job to help enforce that, but now we don't have a city administrator, so it's still just Jason enforcing it, which wasn't being enforced. >> It's kind of I mean, it was the it was

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the city administrator's responsibility to keep track of that and enforce enforce those things, but um yeah. >> Yes. Yes. >> Answer is yes. >> Short answer, yes. Um, so yes, if you could as our council reps here take that forth and uh do do

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good with that and tell us what we should be doing cuz >> and I don't know that that is necessarily a P&Z thing like >> it's not at all. I don't want it to come back here. I think that's a council thing that that just needs to be an

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agenda item on our list. I did some digging before I put it on here and generally it's a city thing. I've seen different tables where it's a graduated where it gets higher and eventually gets affixed to the property if it's property

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related. So that's where the PNZ side comes in. when you get to some of the stuff where it's nuisance dogs or that are barking or different things like that, um that's not necessarily always a fix to the property, but it could it just depends on how you write stuff.

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So, I would appreciate that as well. Ready to keep moving? >> Uh so, there's been in the news lately lots and lots on data centers that are out there, data, data. Take your pick on how you want to pronounce it, but we

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actually have a small one. >> FBI. >> It's much smaller than >> FBI. >> It's much smaller than the ones that are out there and proposed nowadays. It's been there for quite a few years.

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>> 10 years. >> 10 years. Um, the ones that are being proposed these days are much more substantial in size and use of resources. So I don't know if we want it's just a discussion if we would want to think

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about a temporary moratorum to let us study something. uh it won't be anything that we will be doing at this meeting, but I do have a draft going if it's something we wanted to discuss having I don't know that we're going to have any applications

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coming through, but there's so so much information out there on all different sides that it's it's hard to cut through all the what's real, what's not. And I think the other thing that might be a good opportunity for us as a PNZ to tour our data center that we do have in town,

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anything we would do doesn't impact them. They're already there. They're already up and running. What any type of moratorum when I've been involved in them before in the township, they usually it just stops new ones from coming in or existing ones from doing

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expansions. Now, anytime you do a moratorum, you can always put in an exception that should council want to make an exception to the moratorum, they could do that. But it's it's something that would give us an opportunity for a year to get our hands around what's real and what's not. I

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just kind of look at um the size of what there was for Pine Island and you're looking at that chunk of property was 489 acres or almost 500 acres, >> you know, that they were looking at and taking that chunk. There isn't a chunk

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of property that there is in Orco that's that size that would even be of interest. >> No. today. Um, even with orderly annexation agreements, most of the land that would be annexed in is not going to probably be used that for its best use. Uh,

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>> but is it something we want to at least think about? I don't know. >> I don't even I I would I don't even know if it's on the radar for people that are doing it. What I want to make sure is we're not caught blindsided, that we understand what the

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real information is. >> Well, I'm not against that. I was just, you know, it's one of those things I'm looking at what there is for property to do something like that. >> But the impact they say, you know, depending on who you're listening to, well, you'll be able to hear it all the

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way to Orco or there will be lights. I I don't know. I just really don't know. >> Well, Robinson, you don't hear anything that's going on. No, but I do know there's if you look at technology from 10 years ago versus technology from today, we're talking probably apples and oranges on >> they're not used they're not it's not

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the same case use either of them aren't the same case use. So >> um completely I mean the the term data center for that is probably a little loose right now. >> Operational. >> Yeah, it's more of a a regional

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>> hub. >> Hub. Well, I mean, it's more scheduling like it's >> they've got it's a server farm. >> Yeah, it's a server farm, but I don't believe they're doing like AI and >> it's not AI computing like the other ones that are out there. >> You know, they do turn around and and

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run their generators >> six hours every week over there. Did you know that? >> What's up? >> They run their generators six hours every week >> by code. They have to do it. >> They cycle through their diesel. Yep. >> You know, and and it's something that you would never know that they're doing

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it. I think that they've got that pretty quiet with what goes on that if you didn't know it, >> you'd never know that that's >> a generator on my house that automatically kicks in once >> Yeah. But but this is those are much larger generators that they're running

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off of that. So >> So I don't know. It's I don't know if we need a moratorum. >> It's worth the discussion. >> I think it's worth the discussion. And then if people are interested, I would >> Is it something that we're just asking council to have a discussion about or that we want to discuss that here? >> I think it would probably have to come

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from us first. >> It usually comes from a planning and zoning. If it's a it's a land use issue typically >> even up there it's a land use. Did you consider water? Do you consider traffic? Do you consider lighting? Those are all PMZ type issues, especially if it's

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something new. >> So just there's not that much water. make sure we're not caught unaware that at least >> we're on top of things. >> Well, that's a good we have those discussions. It'll be a good discussion. And like when we get emails about

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regional presentations that are happening, >> that we get invited to, that's something that we could we could forward on because >> uh the one that was a couple of months ago was excellent. I mean it was four hours so it was a pain but it was

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excellent because it had speakers from all sides of everywhere >> from a data center designer who that's his profession to environmentalists who are against it and they're all

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presenting their side and showing >> what some of the new technologies are and and but yeah it's absolutely discussion worthy. >> Yeah. So, I'll probably keep that on here and each month we'll just if we

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have months where we're not having a lot of hearings, we have public hearings that takes our priority. I don't want our meetings to sit here and be four hours long. >> Yeah. >> But I do want us to have some good discussion so that we do have some direction as we move forward and looking

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at our maps and looking at what might be coming down the pipeline. Uh the other thing I had anything more on that one? We'll just keep it on there and as as time allows I'll move something into a discussion instead of a holding pattern. >> Sure.

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>> Uh and what I'll probably do with those is I'll just bring some drafts so we can actually have something to talk from. Not saying that that's what we go with or not go with, but at least it gives us something to start with our discussion. Uh then the o last thing I had under new

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business was when we do have public hearings and notices uh it we do send those to some of the departments in town. So I'm just thinking as we are doing this public works I think gets noticed today on some of our permits

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some of our cups. Uh, with that, I was going to just work with the city to make sure that all of our departments probably get notified if we have anything that's a proposal for permitting or anything that would come to PNZ. I know when I was on top, we did

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reach out and we'd have the fire department, you know, are the lanes wide enough for your fire trucks? Are is your model that we can't service the fourth floor? It's good to have the input from those guys. Same thing with any of our public works, water, making sure water

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and sewer if they have a comment that they want to add on that. I know we already get comment from our engineering and our plan our planner. So, and then I believe council already gets notice of those as well in their council packets. Is that right?

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>> Sometimes. >> Okay. >> So, maybe we'll be working up a distribution list just for any of the permits and any of the public hearings that we get. There'll just be a general distribution list and it doesn't mean that they have to comment on everything,

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but at least they get the opportunity to submit something if they want to help us out. Anything else there under that or moving into old business or zoning code rewrite? I know council workshopped. I know you guys had this. Anything more to

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add for us? that's been approved. >> Yeah, it it was um the only thing that I made a comment was um on some of the minutes that we wanted to make sure that we had the 13,000 square foot put in

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because it said it was a recommendation instead of a firm, you know, agreed upon off of that that it was 13,000 square foot minimum for lot size. >> Yeah. So, We're done and officially up and running.

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>> Yeah, I I believe so. >> I just It's good to just This will be our first official meeting where we're on the new code that everybody worked on. So, >> they've been they've been published. >> I don't know that they've been published. They're on there.

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Um but they're they're >> but then we can start taking down the old pages. >> Yeah. >> So, there are some website changes that need to happen. Um, I did notice our zoning page also has some old information, Jason, still listed out there.

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>> Our whole planning, zoning code, city code is actually going to be migrating to a different website in a different format. Anyway, um, so I think that'll probably be in tandem with removing everything

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>> is once that gets migrated over. >> Do we have a timeline on that? I don't think that we talked about it last meeting. I think it was the meeting before or even three months ago. Um, >> could you check on that for us

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the next council meeting and let us know? >> Yes. >> I'm assuming it would happen this quarter, but I know the summer is busy and we have only so much staff, so >> it's budgeted to go this year.

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>> Okay. It's going to be a long time. I did see Justin, you are listed out there, so we're good there. >> Um, but probably be good to, if nothing else, at least remove Jason as city administrator out there so we don't have residents of town looking at planning

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and zoning and trying to contact Jason. >> Yes, >> that might be an easier lift than all of the code updates. officer positions. Next on the agenda, anybody interested in nominating anyone

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here, present or not present? >> Tempted, but I don't want to do it in case he doesn't want to talk about Grant. Grant Grant's good. Yeah, no question about that. >> Won't be that mean to him.

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>> Let's wait for everybody. So again, >> secretary and vice president, vice chair. >> Is that what's up? >> All of them. I'll leave them. >> Okay. I'm fine with delay to next month. So >> let's do that. Hope everybody won't be there. >> Yeah,

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>> we >> we can threaten those who don't show up. We'll get in. >> We technically have an open position. >> Scott is still officially there, but I think that that would be the next one. >> Is he waiting for us to fill his spot? like he's

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>> it's he always hits summertime where he's gone. >> Yeah. >> Right. You know, >> he's mentioned that he can make it in >> if he has to for quorum, but he's probably done after this year. >> I think the last I heard I won't put

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words in his mouth, but I think that's the perception he's >> So, I think we need an answer on if we should be putting this as >> otherwise I think we need to fill that position to be able to have it. It wouldn't hurt to start looking >> especially while he's still willing to

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show up for quorum and stuff and then we can get a replacement and he can do what he wants to do and I think that would be a good move. Get ahead of it. >> All right.

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RFP draft discussion future zoning services support. I know council was going to chat about this because it's not just P&Z. There's other >> We have. Okay. And that's been put off to the fall. >> Yes. >> Okay. And it'll go up for an RFP. But uh

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with everything with the personnel changes and with gold rush and with the budget, we decided to wait >> okay >> till the fall. But yes, that was >> you guys workshopping the RFP writing or

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>> uh that'll be city staff that'll that will write it up. >> Yeah, but that's going to be wait till the fall. So, we're not even we've got too many other things going on with city council other than >> okay >> the city itself. So, >> minutes of prior meetings, I know we've got that out there as a future and we

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already mentioned it earlier. So, hopefully next month. monthly incoming zoning applications and questions. I know we've got a couple new places that are looking to open here. So, we've got greeners that

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>> that was that was approved last night. Okay. So, that was ready to go for what there is. I don't know their exact date. They were still looking in June, >> I think, to try to get it open, but they've been moving. >> Yeah. So, we did see them through planning and zoning for one public

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hearing. We just related to >> some of the land questions, but >> I know they've been making progress on that. >> Yeah. So, it's actually pretty nice on the inside when it gets done. There's a lot of stuff in there, but >> I don't know what they need to come back to either.

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>> They won't be back here for anything. >> They're fine with us. That's just >> No, they should be I think up and running >> for their Yeah, they for their parking lot and they can >> Well, there the other stuff was uh for the kitchen and those, but those are all

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county permits that need to be done for that stuff. It's not part of us, not us. >> So, I'm kind of excited to see that moving forward. It was one public hearing that we had here and it it's moving forward. Uh Land by Casey's I know there's two different places going in. the flooring place and the

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>> those are all done. >> They're done and up and the land across the street. Now, >> that's the one we were talking about >> earlier. So, whether I'm not sure exactly where that was at last I heard. Hopefully, they were getting closer to getting pulling per permits or looking

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for permits on that one. So, and I don't think they're going to be through here either. It sounds like whatever they're doing would just meet current codes. So, if you don't need a variance and you meet code, you don't have the PMZ. And then I did get have uh Marty Walsh

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reach out to me. They were here. People's energy co-op has that extra land over there and they have an untitled future development opportunity that they're looking at. Um what that means I don't know until something's on paper in front of me as an application.

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It's just talk. But it sounds like they have three different people. They are looking at different developers and they are hoping not to have a public hearing but to come forward in front of planning and zoning maybe in July we can give them a few minutes to come and at least give us some idea of what they're

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thinking about at this time. There won't be anything to vote on and it might be the three different people they've got here you know giving their concept ideas to us. So something to think about that might end up on the July meeting.

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So, >> what do we got next? Driveway request. This one's been on here. >> Take it off. >> Well, I've I've heard that might be starting up again. I don't know. >> Okay. I didn't >> um There's a driveway request >> thing from Mike, so I don't >> Yeah, I don't know. So, I'm going to

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just leave it on there for now. I've just There's nothing at in the office right now on that one. Uh the Pine Southwest development. And I'm not sure if I wrote that the right way, but >> those are the town houses over by what used to be Gas and Go. And

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>> would that be Southeastern? Isn't it on the >> his de the developer company's name is Pine Southwest? >> Oh, okay. I was like when I heard I was like >> I was confused by it cuz I thought I knew you were doing those which very nice. But >> so I know those are supposed to

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continue. last I heard maybe later this fall there might be groundbreaking but I >> I personally know him. Um I think at the moment I think he's just on a it's a standill >> some of the ones in town.

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>> Yeah. Um it's economy related. >> Okay. >> You know so I believe doesn't he have this developer agreement? Everything's all been taken care of now too I think. Or >> yeah everything is here. It's a two-year thing that he's got, but um no, it >> he has everything in place where he

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could start if he wanted to. >> Um he doesn't know that the want is there right now. >> I do know from city staff that people are at least once a week coming in and asking about it. >> Oh, really? >> So, people are reaching out to the city to ask about future town houses. So,

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there is definitely interest. >> Looking for the group. Okay. >> There's definitely interest in the community. Yeah. pass that along that >> we just had lunch yesterday. So, >> when I talked to city staff the other day, last week, they had said they at least one to two people a week are either stopping by or calling in.

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>> Okay. Well, that's >> and I don't know if it's the same people each week or if it's completely different people, but >> at least there is still interest out there. >> See if we can find that out. >> Yeah. >> At least keep track. So, nothing. >> Yeah. >> The inquiring minds want

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>> Well, if you hear anything more on that one, let us know. Thank you. >> Next up, we got the Nash property. Just an update. >> Well, um, again, we we turned around and cost the city a lot of money to turn

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around to have that house demolished, and I can't tell you how many times back and forth my clarity went to try to get that stuff done. Um, these people just, um, unless you get them pushed against the wall, they're not going to do

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anything. And so um right now they're out of code for sure because you know they've got an out building without having a main structure that there is. So by code they're out and and that was built that wasn't put in. So it's

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oversized for what was originally there. So and there's cars that are now being parked on the property. uh guy comes and goes even with the sign on it that you know it's just he's basically giving the city you know the

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middle finger you know so >> so this might be a good example of our enforcement issues >> yeah and so if you look at it we had three different options that that there were the one that was presented to us at council was option two you have that one there Daniel

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>> what was that uh option two >> on the nash property for last night. So it's it says the option two is to require submission of application permits applications and approvals building permits variances c if

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applicable establish a defined timeline for compliance and maintain consistency you know and defensibility I you know to me it's shut it down get them out

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which is option Great. Require removal or full correction. You see it on there, Daniel. >> I have it as page 34. >> Find my u packet.

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>> My council packet. And and option three is uh to direct the property owner to remove the non-compliant structure, establish a firm compliance deadline, strongest enforcable approach, but may escalate conflict. Now, we've been doing

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conflict for four years. I don't care. >> So, if they don't remove it, is that where you guys would see you assessing fines afterwards? >> That's fine. We'll just knock it down again if that's what it comes down to the way we did with that house. Then would you put that back on the property?

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>> No, it'd be gone. >> Assessment of the cost. You would assess the cost of the expense to the property owner. >> Yeah, I guess that that would be the right way to do it. You know, >> to lean on the property at that point and they'd have to pay it through taxes. >> Then the city wouldn't acrew the expense

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of that. >> Yeah. >> Or in theory would someday recover the expense of that. >> Yes. Yeah. I suppose recoveries. >> Now, we got to >> So anyway, my recommendation is we've had it. Four years is enough time to be

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able to do it. >> They just >> So, it's on for council to talk about then or did you >> It's going to be coming back up again in two weeks. So, again, we talked council I said we'll bring it up to planning and zoning tonight. So, >> yeah. I would just say whatever option

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you go with, let us know. I appreciate at least understanding what's going on even though not everything is a planning and zoning issue because we understand what comes through here. Most of the rest of the community does not really understand the distinction. >> Well, the only thing

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>> have an awareness for us. >> At a point in time, you've got to put your foot down. Otherwise, other people around town are going to do the same thing and say, "Oh, wow. So and so got by with it for four years, so we'll get by with it for four years." >> And we've had a few of those. >> Yep. putting a mobile home that's

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sitting in town. So, >> so I haven't seen the discussion for option two, which says that's what's re been recommended, I'm assuming, by Stantech, right? >> No, by my clarity. >> Okay. And so that is

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requesting them to submit new permits >> and and but again, they've been asking to put permits in for gosh, I mean, it's been posted. I'll have to I'll have to watch the the meeting from last night to figure that out. But yeah,

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>> cease and desist was put on on October 2nd, 2024. >> Yeah, >> it's time. >> It's It's been a long time. >> So that's why I'm saying I've I've had enough with that those guys. No, >> let us know. We'll bring popcorn and

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we'll be the peanut gallery to >> on the enforcement. Pretty sure that's next week's meeting, right? >> Because Mike couldn't be there. He had some personal things going on last time. >> Well, guys, we're to the end of our

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agenda for the evening. I know it's a little longer. It's already after 7. >> I make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second that. >> Oh, I got a first and I got a second next time. >> All in favor of adjourning? >> I. >> Anyone opposed? Same sign. We're

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adjourned. 7:11 p.m. All right. You can stop the breathing. >> Yeah.