good evening feed one more time you're okay okay good evening everyone I'd like to welcome you to the ATO city council meeting tonight is Monday July 22nd audre can you have
the record show that our City attorney city planner city engineer the present along with all city council members and our assistant City administrator absent this evening is our city administrator at this time I'll ask you all to join us in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge Al to the flag of the United
States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you our first item of businesses evening is our open Forum this is the portion of the meeting where
you can come to the podium and state your name and address and limit comments to five minutes or less would anyone like to speak at this time yes M mayor council members my name is Kenny
Ryman my address is uh 14248 82nd Street Northeast purchased this home a little over a year ago and um working on repairs and stuff um until this summer they're working on the
outside and come to my attention well I was aware of last year actually but the ditches along our property both on AOA and 82nd are very Steep and difficult to maintain um I don't know if it'd be
impossible to have nice lawn there but certainly very difficult um trying to get the lawn into shape the old folks had lived there before um evidently weren't able to rate the leaves and whatever so it was mostly dirt but been working on it receding and
whatever so the distance is part of it and so far not really seeing all my thought is to decrease the slope of the ditches so haven't gone really further than that and then the
second point is on the um where our our property backs up to the newer neighborhood on the um It's Kind up on the North side and there's a big cber coming across
Ooa and I think the cver is Right beyond our property line but it dumps all the water across our backyard kind of like a little river here an hour ago uh dumps of water between our Mount system and our house just kind of
blowing through so spoke with the engineer here a little bit ago and I'm asking if the public works or someone can address those two concerns in m so you spoke with Ron yes okay Ron do
you have comments what is the feedback we getting it's the plastic on the lights oh okay should we turn those lights off and keep the other let's see okay sorry about that
can yeah all right Ron um yeah Kenny and I discussed this uh prior to the meeting um this is an older section of the city that uh this development plat went in prior to the city being a city it was put in with it being a a Township and
under the jurisdiction development jurisdiction of the county so the uh slopes have been there ever since this was platted in the 70s um the culbert has also been there it's been replaced in the last uh time the projects came
through it was replaced at the same size same elevation as was previously I explained that we can take a look at the elevations in the ditch and also look at the elevation of the culbert look at elevations of storm sewer that might be nearby
then uh the development pled property to the South and just see if there's any potential Solutions just flattening out the slopes of a side slope of a ditch fills the ditch in and causes water to stand so
that is not always the solution and it's very rarely the solution um that would require fill coming in and then dirt coming out that might be within the property owner not within the right away but within the property so then we would need some sort of easements there's the
amount of cost that's associated with that um and who pays for that so there's a lot of items to be reviewed but we certainly can take a look at the corner and see if there's any potential solutions to this but again um it's kind
of one of those things that's been there for a long time was there when the property was purchased it's nothing that's come up as brand new okay um when Kenny talked about it going between his septic right and your home yes what what
kind of soil are you are you clay or sand out there um well I think it's Sandy but there's black dirt on top okay you know so because there was a lot of water that came through here as you said it's been a wet season you know so I've only
recently been trying to grow grass in that area and I have some coming up but it's a problem okay did they would they have to include something like that when you purchase the house that I mean because are they considering it
flooding I don't I doubt it it was not includ I'm not like going to chase down anybody you know that's in the graveyard whatever so sure previous owner one of them passed away and I think the other one to the nursing home from what I've heard you know so it's it's whatever it is it is
you know sure but that doesn't mean it's okay today yeah so Ron you will then do have Kenny's information I I have his address and his name I don't have any okay other I put my phone number on the sign in list okay
perfect I can use that so Ron you yep um follow up with doing some survey and looking at some as builts for previous projects and determine if there is a solution and maybe what that cost would be and then we'll have to have discussions from there okay all right
thanks your thank you thank you all right any other comments then we will move on to item two to consider agenda for approval does anyone have anything that they would like to add or delete at this time Madam mayor yes I move to approve
the agenda as written second motion by Ryan seconded by Britney is there any discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose same sign motion passes next item is our consent agenda a
motion would be in order and a mayor yes Ryan move to approve the consent agenda as written second motion by Ryan seconded by Britney is there any discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose same sign
motion passes moving on to item 4.1 Ado Waterfront District I will turn this over to our city planner thank you mayor uh modern construction of Minnesota is presenting plans for what was previously
known as Mississippi Landings now ATO Waterfront District uh they previously processed through a concept plan application and then proceeded on with a preliminary plat and PUD development stage plan those approvals expired because they didn't record a final plat
within a year so you're essentially bringing us back through the process again for consideration uh the application includes a PUD planned unit development stage plan and preliminary plat we'll also uh consider the vacation of drainage and utility easements as part of the public hearing that was held
by the Planning Commission but not act upon that uh until final plat is brought forward um an eaw environmental assessment worksheet was also required for the project in process previously findings of that were were that um an
environmental impact statement was not required um because this is a planned unit development you're essentially legislating a Project Specific zoning district for the development uh so this puts the uh City Council in an act where you're creating land use regulation
giving you great discretion as to uh approval uh denial or conditions that could be imposed as part of the project uh the existing conditions for the property this is located east of trunk Highway 101 South of 90th Street just behind and south of the highway 101
Market uh the property consists of three lots with just under 14 acres in area 2023 comprehensive plan guides this property for mixed land use development consisting of high density residential dwellings and Commercial uses uh the
property is Zone B3 or excuse me it's Zone PUD district with the same use as allowed within the general business district but also including multiple family dwelling units um there is also this outlaw that exist as part of the property that is subject to the standards of the wild Scenic and
recreational River District the Environmental Protection District for the Mississippi River established in accordance with Minnesota rules as I said to the north is Highway 101 Market further to the north is the Waterfront East development also to the south of the development is the uh Mississippi
River Campground uh RV park that exists and has uh for many years the preliminary plat includes one lot and block to be developed with the first phase of what's intended to be a multiphase development they're also including a number of outlots including
the Wild and Scenic parcel there's an outlaw B which is currently within the 100-year flood plane that developer is working to remove that uh and then enable that to become part of the development site for future phases and then there's this parcel to the South uh
across what is a minda controlled drainage way uh for regional storm water from Highway 101 as well as the city's outlet for storm water to the north within uh the ATA Waterfront East development uh the developer did provide
a traffic study with the uh previous application for preliminary plat approval that demonstrated their is sufficient capacity within uh the existing Quantrell Avenue and the intersection at Quantrell Avenue 90th Street to accommodate the development recognizing that that is the only way in
and out of this area but it is sufficient from a traffic functionality standpoint uh the development would also require improvements to the existing sewer lift station that serves this area and the campground to the South and that would be undertaken as a developer
expense uh storm water management would be largely accomplished within the uh Mississippi River uh parcel as well as the southern portion of block one at least initially and those were all reviewed by the city engineer and found to be acceptable the plat provides drainage and utility easements at the
perimeter of lot one block one as required by the subdivision ordinance we'd also look to establish temporary easements over the three out lots that would expire upon plating uh if the developer moves forward to a final plaid application they do need to enter into a development contract with the city uh to
provide for performance on the public improvements being completed as well as pay all applicable fees and securities related to the development the site plan for lot one block one includes uh a 20 222,000 square foot uh principal
building uh that would include 150 Apartments 12,600 square feet of commercial uses as well as the large public Plaza Str located above the parking structure uh the setback for the development are basically built to the
perimeter of the site uh to maximize the development of the the lot and block recognizing most of the properties preserved by the wild Scenic Protection District uh there would be uh provision made for pedestrian access once uh the flood plane issue is resolved uh to
provide for that connection up to the trail system within Waterfront East at carrick's Landing uh and then Landscaping is shown generally on the site plan but would need to be finalized as part of the landscape plan submitted with the final plat application exterior lighting would also need to be verified
to ensure that it complies with the performance standards of the zoning ordinance uh significant discussion with the parking uh provided on site uh developer provided a number of studies related to the parking demand for the use based on a mixed use development U
those including the requirements of the zoning ordinance to provide uh 483 stalls basically looking at the uses straight up for the number required for the number of apartments and the number of stalls required based on the commercial square footage uh looking at
a methodology that wetta put together to deal with their Lake Street uh commercial District along Lake minetonka that consists of General commercial businesses restaurants stores shops Etc as well as a number of residential uses also includes certain mixed use
developments uh characteristic what's proposed here uh and then an analysis of the Institute of Transportation engine for more urban setting type development um indicating a significantly reduced number of parking stalls what was shown on the site plan presented by the
developer was providing 122 garage stalls 136 surface stalls and 30 street parking stalls along Quantrell Avenue for a total of 318 stalls it also provide proof of parking within the lot for 132 stalls netting uh 450 total
stalls available for the project but the Planning Commission came down to is that they were comfortable allowing for a proof of parking agreement uh but they wanted to see all 318 stalls constructed within the site uh the developer indicated he was willing to do so so that has been added as a condition of
approval uh to the findings of fact being presented considered this evening the building plans consist of a mix of Uh custom masonry units brick fascia and fiber cement uh there is a need to increase the percentage of grade A materials to 65% to meet the
uh requirements of the zoning ordinance there also be the option to present alternative materials uh that provide greater distribution of uh and variation in the elevations of the structure to meet the intent of the zoning ordinance which could be considered again with the
final plat application uh the building height is shown as seven stories or 83 feet uh the Planning Commission again discussed this issue at length noting that um tallest buildings in Nigo are currently four stories including uh below grade or at grade parking and
then the structure above uh the majority of the Planning Commission was comfortable with the the height and that was the recommendation move forward uh there are 115 apartment units within the building uh 60% are one-bedroom units um one way to look at this is they have a
number of that number of units less than the minimum 700 square feet required by the zoning ordinance but you take the area of all the one-bedroom units and average them they do exceed that on that basis so uh the Planning Commission did recommend though that the adjustment be
made uh to increase the minimum floor area to 700 Square ft out lot a which is the Wild and Scenic parcel adjacent to the Mississippi River is reserved for future development the the developer has a number of plans and ideas as to how to make that a recreational amenity for not
only the development but the community as a whole and those would have to be Pro processed as a planned unit development stage plan separately from this project at a future date primarily once the the whole issue of the wild or excuse me the flood plane is resolved
there'd also be the requirement for a prelimary and final plat to be processed um so knowing that that actions deferred until a future date the recommendation is that the park dedication requirements for this initial phase one would be satisfied as a cash fee in L of land um the developer provided a number of
illustrations and perspectives for their project just to highlight the amenities and the architecture uh that they're bringing forward as part of the revised plans the last two were not available at the Planning Commission so they're available here now for your
consideration uh City staff is recommending approval of the application based on consistency with the 2023 comprehensive plan uh the preliminary plat complies with the requirements of the subdivision ordinance as far as the Pud district and the requested flexibilities the major issues being
parking requirements and on street parking uh which was addressed by the Planning Commission the proposed seven story building height and the exterior building materials again there's conditions outlined as part of the findings effect addressing all of these uh the Planning Commission did hold their public hearing on June 3
there was one comment as noted in the request for Council action pertaining to the project uh otherwise the Planning Commission following their discussion had voted 7 to zero to recommend approval subject to the 21 conditions that are outlined for your consideration thank you does the
developer wish to comment good evening Jesse Hartong mon construction 18837 Ogden Street Northwest El River Minnesota uh mayor council thanks for considering my application again this uh evening here um I did want to provide One update though I think Dan I've got
152 garage parking stalls you had mentioned I think a little less than that so um just to make it clear there is at least uh one garage parking stall for every apartment unit proposed but um other than that um you know we made we made a lot of progress since we uh last brought this project in front of
you guys um some stuff has happened with the Waterfront and dealing with the floodway um just want to give everybody an update we're at the point right now where we believe that we're comfortable with all the modeling the floodway um the line for the floodway should be moving back towards the river Frontage so that's a
great opportunity to bring all that land back into use for the community um at whole as well as for private development so that process is a process that we have to do as talked about before through FEMA and very long process so uh with approval of our project tonight we would move forward with some of the fees
involved and get the timeline going on that but all the preliminary work has been completed on that so um as far as the project goes did change the name to ATA Waterfront District so we've been working on the marketing uh aspect of this and getting ready to launch the website and everything and um just
seemed like there was a lot of confusion there's a lot of other Mississippi Landing Miss Missippi Riverfront type projects in the area champlin's got one some stuff up in St Cloud area so um it just felt like the atal Waterfront District was an opportunity to present more of a regional destination uh that
was sort of focused on Commerce as well as uh the park amenities and whatnot so that's been updated we are looking forward to launching the website soon and starting to gather a list of uh people interested in uh not only becoming residents there but also commercial businesses um as well as uh
that work we've completed a full set of architectural plan so the stuff submitted to you guys now is much more complete um and we did make some changes to that based on feedback from both Planning Commission and uh council members so I know the height was a big consideration last time so uh we did uh
reduce the massing of the building quite a bit so on the 101 side we've actually taken that down a level added some rooftop decks for some of those units uh so it's not squared off anymore um and then we've also taken the rooftop amenities and lowered those to the sixth floor as well uh freeing up the rooftop
space for solar panels but then also requiring uh or reducing the need for those uh taller over shaft buildings so overall I think we save probably 11 to 12 feet in height as well as reduce the massing on 101 so it should flow uh quite a bit better with the area um
there was also some safety concerns as well and by eliminating that extra Elevator Shaft we've been able to you know reduce our time to exit the building from the highest point as well so made some considerations in the hopes that we can get everybody on board with the project um we do have a few new renders there
showing a concept for the uh or showing some Interior Concepts that we've done with the design team in regarding the rooftop restaurant uh as well as the lobby area there so we really fleshed out the design firmed up all the uh units and sizes and uh we're ready to move forward uh with the project here
with approval tonight from you guys um other than that I think I'll just turn it over to any questions I may answer and appreciate your consideration thank you thank you thank you all right Council questions for staff or the developer and I have one in your we have
20 listed you said 21 what am I I will right Dam's checking do other people have other questions or comments Madame mayor yes Ryan just really quickly I know that the eaw
process was gone through last year how long is that good for do they have to go through it again mayor uh the eaw decision doesn't expire so long as the project stays within scope that was reviewed okay with respect to the conditions on the
findings of fact in decision there's 21 conditions the report there's 20 conditions because that's the report that the Planning Commission had received and then they added correct okay what was the one that they added so what is you're going to need to read us number seven is the added condition a
minimum 318 off street parking stalls shall be constructed with the Pud development stage plan with proof of parking for 450 stalls including on Street stalls what we have in here it's not correct
yeah what you have for the findings of fact and decision is correct okay y more questions comments uh another real quick one M mad mayor uh Dan I think you spoke to this that there is no landscape plan May that's correct but
it's required prior to the application of the city council is that this application or future application future application we'll have that with final plat okay mayor the one reason staff is comfortable with that is majority of the development site is impervious surface
the Landscaping is more decorative on the Plaza and then it's the future development site within Outlaws a or L be and they kind of have somewhat of a design for the plaza right correct and then uh real quick
so is out Lot B not buildable at least right now that's correct it's within the 100-year flood plane and actually it's part of the flood way so you can't build on it it's needed for flood volume based on past studies what the developer is
doing is a specific engineering study showing the flood needs in the that section of the river and that if that section is filled it's not going to cause flood damage adjacent to the property or basically push flood water
Downstream so is it Outlaw B that's used in the calculations or outlaw a both Outlaw a and Outlaw B okay even though B isn't buildable correct technically Outlaw a is no longer is not buildable either based on
the Wild and Scenic restriction does that include a park it could be used for Park could outla B okay can you pull up the map on that so out lot a is restricted by the Wild and Scenic District out Lot B is restricted it's outside the
Wild and scenic but it is floodway so there are overlapping regulations that basically limit the use of that property to public parks pasture agriculture th it's prior use as a corn was my question is so when we talked
about parking I love that because obviously they had concerns that they not use the on street parking area right so this shows me what now so he has not sent in
revised parking this is not a revised plan from what was presented to the Planning Commission it would need to be revised to show construction of 318 parking stalls on the site essentially constructing some of these
stalls within the braid out area okay Madame mayor um so when you were here a year ago um we had talked about some of the conditions that would need to be
resolved prior to moving forward um you know we talk about being unique too and the Seven stories just it's not unique too it seems like it's more of a Minneapolis or you know something
where it's just maybe a little bit too tall obviously we have certain things so that's that still is a concern of mine I mean I I asked if you saw all the conditions because it's such a this is a big project and um I was I I really
think you have some wonderful ideas um but it still continues to be an issue the parking is an issue um again I I just I think we what you're doing is we're really trying to be
unique to ATO but it's just not feeling like it's unique. because there's still these conditions that haven't been met do that make sense what I'm saying yes council member so the the conditions were to be addressed at the final plat last time and um we had not gotten to the final plat and so um with the
approval the intention was to bring some of those and resolve some of those during the final plat we're coming back for preliminary plat and have uh addressed some of those things that were already approved and so like the goal with the massing specifically in the height is um I think we're within about 11 or 12 feet now of the next tallest
peak in the city whereas prior to that we were over 20 feet so we did bring that down substantially as well as staggered it too so it fits really well with the area um and then parking we've we've increased dramatically um from where we had had it before as well has gotten some uh additional parking
studies that highlight that you know maybe the you know I we're up to 450 stalls city code I think requires 489 or somewhere in that area so we did get some additional studies to provide that show that 489 may be a bit excessive and certainly in our opinion being the Wild
and see it carry the river and just you know my own philosophy is if we can show that we've got adequate parking you know why pave paradise right I mean there's a song about that and so my goal would be that we show and demonstrate and we've done that we've done the engineering we've done all the um storm water calculations and demonstrated that we
can get 450 stalls for phase one on site um we're just asking that we that we do something that is less than that and then if we need to we would provide cash bonds or whatever the city would require so um we would intend to meet that that requirement as well but it does it is very important to me you know I I live
in this community as well it's super important to me that hopefully everybody enjoys this project and looks forward to this project going forward which is why even though we had approval last time um three to two you know I said hey if we're going to make some changes and if we're still working on some stuff and we're coming back to you guys let's try to let's try to show and demonstrate
that we can um really do something that everybody can be proud of so the massings changed significantly from where it was Prior so it is important to me that we can hopefully get everybody on board and Dan we need 400
420 you said there was room for 450 450 stalls correct Y which is which is pretty close to the 49 city code requirement and our parking studies don't account for the ride share program that we've talked about that we're going to launch where we have additional cars available for tenants and the you know
and the goal for that is that tenants can move in and not need two cars right so that they have a higher quality of life they have money that they can spend at the restaurants and at the shops rather than paying insurance car payments and so the parking study couldn't really quantify that but uh there's also going to be a reduced
parking need because of that as well and I'm sorry did it show where the the 428 parking styles were going to go since we in these plans so the late so we did update the plan since we were here last time previously we had only proposed a couple of hundred stalls yeah
and we didn't even show the proof of parking or anything um so what we've got now is full engineering studies done where the gr out area would be future proof of parking we've also designed what I believe would be a great amenity down there which is street parking certainly down the road as the park gets developed we have the ability for people
to come and park on the street walk to the park on the trails and and have additional overflow parking for that but um yeah right here right here accounts for 450 total parking stalls um so both proof of concept as well as as installed stalls that we'll put in on day one and
correct me if I'm wrong Planning Commission preferred to have the Stalls in on onsite versus because that street is very tight in there mayor the recommendation from the Planning Commission is 318 stalls constructed
initially within the site proof of parking for 450 uh and staff would support the total number of 450 St from the standpoint that the analysis that wisett had used to evaluate mixed use development Bears out um our current standard by the
zoning ordinance for 43 that's just taking the two uses and adding the total stalls together without accounting for the fact that during the day residents may not be home and businesses will be active at night it's the opposite so we're actually providing
more stalls than what they're actually using in wetta in Minnesota for very similar development so um but yeah it is all enged fully engineered so where previously when I came in front of you guys none of that engineering was done so we know we can do it all it's all right there and then in line with the
planning commission's recommendation we would not develop the street parking at this time and they'd prefer to put all that right on the site which we can do so we just didn't update the dyes because we were waiting to bring city council but certainly that would be updated and submitted at final PLA and then Madam Mary one other thing
the the flood plane um as Dan showed us on the map or on you know on the slides here so there's just I mean I can take your word for it but again I don't know how far you are with the with you know
the wild preservation and wild District preservation it's I just I I'm worried that again we're putting the horse in front of the bug and the the cart in front of the buggy is that that's saying the cart in front of the horse the horse um just because again what if this what
if this is not an option I mean yeah so so phase one what's for in front of you guys for approval tonight is completely separate from the wild Scenic so if nothing even gets approved with the wild Scenic then it would remain a cornfield as it is existing or we would improve that in the park manner of some sort um
our goal with moving the floodway is to be able to do grading work in there so that we can actually provide things like amphitheaters gazebos trellises we we don't know that that's approved now I'm happy to provide you guys a letter from stanch engineering they're the same engineering firm that's done significant developments including all of the Maple
grow uh park stuffff there they've done big stuff in Chicago so I'm happy to provide a letter stating what we've done and how we've modeled it with FEMA but there is no guarantee but that is not this project is not dependent on that right so that's they're two separate things and so if for some reason we we can't
move that floodway that does not affect what we're asking for approval on tonight in one bid but then down the road as you mentioned that there might be a park there who who would be constructing the park I mean isn't that part of mayor his proposal that they would
construct the park amenity support yeah and so we do have some Park drawings that I've submitted that stantech is also drawn um again that is to show you guys the goal down the road but it that is separate from what we're proposing today and uh any park development that would be done there
would certainly be done um at our cost and I would think would be an improvement over a corn field and and or an area that floods quite a bit so Madame mayor on that point so we're still taking the cash fee for Park dedic are we kind of holding it in escrow then or mayor uh the park development it's
intended to be a private facility that then there may be some public easements over um so that's a matter to be decided in the future as part of that application so the park dedication fund that money that's collected for this development would be entirely for the
city's use as part of the park system okay and not required just not required to be used in this area specifically okay Mary I have a question on the so the let's talk parking um we're all beating around the
bush so um Dan maybe if you can explain I mean I think I understand the proof proof of parking it just seems like a lot on the proof of parking so what does that actually mean mayor so they would have
to provide a site plan showing that they can provide the 450 stalls as required um city attorney's office drafts up a legal instrument that they will agree to construct those stalls if deemed necessary by the city um so if we see
traffic congestion cars being parked on quantell cars being parked at Nath 101 or the other developments that are causing negative impacts the public Street the city would initiate the action required uh to cause them to build those parking stalls they're also
required to put up a security for the cost of the construction so that the money is in hand essentially uh to require those stals to be built um the Planning Commission and city council last discussed a proof of parking arrangement for the Waterfront
Commons development where um Kennedy Eye Clinic and Little Gym is located that was for a significantly fewer number of stalls than what we're talking about here and again City staff's recommendation was that the wetta study
indicated that 400 29 stalls are needed so that's the basis for the the proof of parking agreement if the council elects to go that direction Madam mayor were you gonna I was just gonna say I think 132 for proof
of parking is quite a lot yeah I would agree yeah can I piggy back on your comment with us Ryan which maybe that's where you're going to when we see this and it still talks about the 30 on to get to even the 318 that was using the street so where are those other 30 going
in here I mean so it would be out of these 132 stalls basically they're adding more 30 out and put that into the proof of parking stalls and construct 318 within this
are because you do have the ability to construct can't add that fast but I believe that's 450 stalls if you put them together less the 30 so then you be 420 within the site but then that's still less than the wi model if we're willing to adopt that and
a lot less than zoning ordinance right what other property do we have in town that we have used a different method or not required them to follow our Z zoning ordinance mayor u in terms of looking at
the waterfront East development um that was initially evaluated on a cumulative basis between all the properties within the development same with the oo Waterfront so we didn't reduce the number of stalls constructed but we required drain or Ingress egress
easements over across adjoining properties so that for instance if Rockwoods was busy one night people can park across the street at the poor parking lot or or the hotel parking lot to the north so that you accommodate that overflow in that way
you see it in effect basically with their music event on Wednesday nights sure but if I'm here and all of the orientation to the restaurant and shopping is all to the South and why would I I mean he's got no cross
easement with 101 Market or even farther and and as a resident or consumer I'm probably not going to walk two blocks to go to dinner maybe but maybe not May that's essentially why they have to show the ability to accommodate the
450 stalls within the site and then they're showing the additional parking that could be considered in the future uh with the on street parking Madame mayor yes with the with the total stalls being
318 um and then Dan as you mentioned the road gets congested because there's people shopping and going to dinner and whatnot um what happens if for some reason and
again I you know not your character but what if the Stalls are not what if he what if they don't decide to put the additional stalls mayor then the city enforces its proof of parking agreement and uses the security holding that cause
those to be constructed so so the city would have the money under no circumstances would the city not have the money in their account able to hire hire another contractor if the Stalls are needed and and if I may comment you know you guys are putting Park amenities down there right now I mean let's be frank the
place needs more parking and we want to do something unique for the community and um while I while I understand the needs for the parking I think we're going to need way less parking I've provided a study that shows way less parking um however we're up to 318 stalls on site with the additional
ability to go well over 400 stalls on site not counting the street parking so yeah I would just encourage enourage everybody to consider whether or not you know 20 parking stalls is worth losing a project that's going to bring countless tax revenue countless uh you know
Shoppers and and members to the community um we don't want to choke the business out Tipsy chicken gets choked out right now because of our parking so um in mayor your own comment people won't Park you know to the South that's why I like the street parking it gets
people in closer but you know if we put all these if we put all this parking in and we meet the city requirements and they're parked way down to the South nobody's going to use them they're going to go to a different restaurant or they're going to go to a different town so you know to say we need 450 site
stalls on site to meet city code or 489 and then there's stalls that aren't anywhere near close to the building will they be used you know what's the point of that so um I think they're all valid concerns and I'm willing to put the money in the bank we spent the money on the engineering to show what can be done
I'm just simply asking you guys to consider less stalls and we expand it if need to and mayor the proof of parking agreement is critical from the city staff's perspective because although the traffic study evaluated the site based
in comparison with City wi Zetta U this is not the Lake Street of wetta with a mixed use development right wetta has considerable on street parking uh they have public parking facilities throughout downtown wetta uh that help balance the supply of uh private public
parking and having done planning work in wetta dealing with the parking issues that uh they have um it's it's not as simple as the formula that was presented so it this project needs to stand alone uh and the proof of par parking
accomplishes that I mean a lot of the comments though also the last time we were here and at Planning Commission are how many dwelling units you departments that you have here so outside of the business side of it and and you've talked about
sharing cars and and or people not having a car and borrowing the rental car thing that you've talked about but potentially 300 of these stalls could be taken up by the hund the people that live in the apartment if they have two cars correct most of the
residents in ATO have two cars because they have to commute to where they shop or uh work um not everyone works from home so you know I think that that's my concern too that yes it's there may be openings during the day for me to come
to Tipsy chicken but what if at night as you talked about you don't want to choke out and have no parking for your restaurant you potentially are doing that with just how many apartment buildings you have here yeah well and again we're not we're not doing that because we're saying we'll give you the money we've done the engineering and
we've done the storm water calculations so we can do onsite well over 400 I think 420 stalls so um that's that's significantly more you know even if every person in the apartment had two stalls that still leaves us 120 stalls for commercial uses assuming everybody's
in their apartment um and I know Ken nathy would also be open to a similar situation as the Rockwoods area where he would allow a cross parking easement so that when the one markets closed at night there's additional stalls that are even closer to the building so if that's something that the city's done in the past and has worked I know Ken nathy
would be available to or willing to do that as well um he sees a lot of value in the project and bringing people to the community in the area so that may open up a lot of stalls that he's got in his facility but would it would be on the North side so you're walking around the apartment building we we could have a
North Side exit entrance as well there's there's actually a trail designated to go all along the north side to connect with carrage Landing sure um that is right next to his parking lot so wouldn't be hard to do an entrance there at all if that's need be switching to retail now um you've talked about Tipsy
chicken the the drawing show potentially two restaurants and other retail space and so to your own comment you said it leaves about 120 stalls for that that's not that many though if you have two
restaurants and Retail at night I mean so so I think again if you guys base your city code standards on meeting every parking need that's 489 stalls we're coming at 450 proof of parking stalls you know we're coming you know 40
stalls light um as Dan suggested or as Dan said your guys are we're just simply taking all your guys' studies and putting them together and saying we're going to need the max of everything there's zero considerations for mixed use right so if you're eating at Tipsy chicken restaurant we don't have a seat for
somebody to come and park there and if you're not eating at Tipsy chicken restaurant you're out a different restaurant now we have a parking spot for that person to come there right so if you look at the max capacity of the building at any given time and you take the worst case assumption that is we need every single person's there with
two cars right not any in the apartment nobody's shopping at any of the restaurants that lives in the apartment nobody's eating any of the restaurants that lives at the apartment every single apartment's at Ma or every single retail place is at Max both restaurants are fully maxed out right and all those people are coming and driving not to
mention you know so it's a scenario that just doesn't happen in real life and even if it did happen in real life then the restaurant just loses some business but you're talking for short you know 39 stalls so for me as a business owner certainly a risk I'm willing to take to be able to do a project like this and bring something like this to the
community um if people can't get in the restaurant they can't get into our restaurant now especially in the winter right so um the people that would end up losing is you know uh just the restaurant right I mean they would go to another restaurant probably in town maybe in Rogers maybe in El River but uh
it's not for me it doesn't feel like we're talking about a dire situation here right there's no street parking there people aren't going to be parked on the street you know there's not um traffic issues there where people are been coming and going right it's they're going to pull in if they can get a spot great and if they can't they're going to
pick a different place to go so I'm I'm you know we've got 450 we're 39 short of city code and we've got two studies that show significantly less parkings needed I'm just simply asking Council to consider that we put in the 318 on-site spots and we give you the
money and hold that in escrow and if we need more spots that's great we'll put more in um mayor quick question on that so I think what I heard was that our zoning ordinance maybe doesn't account for the
fact that there is overlap in usage of this type of a of a building is that accurate here that's correct okay I mean I'm kind of tempted to just say I've said in the past I'm not a huge fan
of parking minimums that said the zoning ordinance is 483 if there's some sort of factor we could come to that would say here's what we consider to be the overlap Factor um but where I'm sitting right now 132 as a proof of of parking
is still way too much um and and the the tough thing about that is you could be right you could be right in that you know there's a lot more overlap than what we anticipate or you know the commute option completely changes this
um that could be the case but our our zoning ordinance is pretty clear in my mind so so council member is your concerned with the 132 proof that it just will never get installed if it's needed or to me so I you know if if we're talking about 30 stalls even that
seems a little high to me to be quite honest you know as proof of parking but to me it's that represents such a significant difference between what we require and what you're building and I'm every situation is different and I understand that we provide exceptions in
some scenarios but um to me that's just way too way too way too much difference sure so one thing to consider on a project like this is there's a there's a pretty lengthy lease up period And so you know that proof of parking you guys could you know say hey that needs to get
installed at any period right so the building's going to be completed right and then you still have to lease up the apartments you're really going to start to understand and see the parking right so if we're only 50% leased and and this thing is the parking lot's already full you know we're going to have the opportunity to install those extra
stalls um well ahead of the demand being there if that makes sense so while while we may be proposing a lot of proof of parking the engineering work is done upon final plat the the check will be with the city and all we have to do is get out the pavement machine really is
is essentially what it comes down to well plenty of opportunity to do that so it won't be a situation like Cowboy Jacks where people are parking on the streets parking on the dirt and all that stuff for quite a while we're not going to have sort of instant demand to fill that entire thing the commercial space
needs to get leased out both the restaurants need to get up to speed and all that so I don't think the parking is going to be a day one hey here's your CE and hey here's all this parking needed so um something to consider that there will be plenty of lead time to determine the parking and to be able to add that
as we if they're appears to be a need for it Jesse what it I mean do you have any prob maybe you can't say but the idea of what your goal is for the retail
what yeah I mean my goal is for phase one is to definitely get we want to get a lot of energy down there right we want to have a lot of people visiting the space we want to have a lot of uses that support each other so certainly we want to get some type of a hair salon down there or something so people can get their hair done then they can come and
have lunch right you know looking at some type of maybe a daycare or something like an after school program so people can have their kids down there well maybe they're get lunch we're gonna have the playground amenity up on the Plaza um we want to be able to do things like music on the Plaza potentially work with the farmers market and find a new
home for them that's super attractive to everybody in the community so the retail on phase one is is not as large as the ultimate goal is um so we're going to have Tipsy chicken will own and operate Tipsy right we're goingon to have the rooftop concept which will be a totally different restaurant is that something you're running that's something that
I'll run um in the lobby again we want to create like a public Lobby too where people can come in get out of the weather meet up for PE meet up with people and so the lobby is gonna have like a popup coffee bar juice bar type of thing so you can walk up get a coffee maybe you go out to the plaza meet a girlfriend to talk you know drama or
whatever it is you know girls do no offense but we get sorry we get that at Tipsy all the time you walk around and you hear but uh so no I mean the idea is like we want males are dramatic too yeah that's true that is true but we want to attract people to the area to the
community and we really want to bring people that don't know this region right like we want to create a destination where people can come to town and they can go wow that was an awesome restaurant oh there's carriots Landing let me take my coffee and walk for a mile and a half right we want to get the people that are in Guardian Angels out
or the Goos as they call them there and take the trail down and you know come spend some money so I think we need a mix um you know so phase one again we're it's hard to it's hard to know right until you see what the demand is but the goal would be that phase one is
definitely more consumer facing and then as we develop phases two and three and ultimately get a lot more space and we want have a mix of like insurance companies down there we work next to uh I work next to CAD engineering that was downtown Elk River for a while if you guys are familiar with them and those guys were always going out to lunch
they'd always be hosting clients right that would be coming in to see them to look at hiring their services um they had their little one wheelers if you ever noticed them cruising around downtown so I think the idea is to get a good mix of people so that you know if it's an insurance company they're bringing their clients in and then they're having lunch or they're shopping
at the restaurants um that kind of thing but yeah the goal is to really create a public space very similar to like downtown Disney where you've got shopping entertainment Recreation and then people living above you so that's kind of the goal and then we're gonna I'm GNA own and operate it so one of the
nice things is is like if you live there you're getting a discount a Tipsy chicken you know right or all the restaurants and if you you know if you work we're going to give you a discount on your rent right so I think there's a lot of synergies there too that we want to exploit um for people that live there and for people that want to you know eat there
so yes T um Jesse you mentioned I can't remember what you said as far as like in this first phase how many retail businesses are we looking at so we've got there'll be tipsy Chicken on the Plaza level then we'll have the rooftop restaurant concept um and then on the
main level which is like street parking level there's space for another business okay and then when you get up to the plaza there's space for three additional businesses so four so you would have I mean outside of that the restaurants now now those could be split right I mean you know any business can be smaller or bigger so depending on what the use case
is they may be you know it may be anywhere from say three to seven based on the space we have based on square footage okay so they're all Bays that are sort of designed to be split up just like Tipsy chicken has three Bays right we started with two and then we added a third Bay okay so we may have different
use cases based on size of the business okay I I think a you know a hair salon would take up probably smaller than what we have allocated so then you might get something else in there too so Dan can you show me the map Jesse talks about the trail that I could take the
trail from Ken's property or 101 property show me I'm getting there so we have in the conditions of approval that there be a trail from the site through Outlaws b
and a uh to connect to Waterfront East that would have to be connected to nathy as part of the development it's not currently shown on the pl there would be sidewalk along Quant up to the project as well so that would
be the front entrance into the commercial portion of the project in the lobby and we do have the actual I believe it's a 10- foot wide pave pass for fire access as well that will be installed with the building all along the north side there yes along the back end yeah that's shown here yeah one of
the conditions is that needs to be reviewed to verify that it does comply with the fire code that was one of the comments from the Emergency Services director so it's not been verified it has not been verified yet that can be addressed prior to final
plat and we're just talking the construction of it I believe right Dan I mean actually the width this the width yeah so that could be adjusted if it needed to be but it may need to be 20 feet wide what step suspects but the Architects have verified it meets fire Cod from a
permanent standpoint like access so like Dan's just talking there's a question on the width of it that would be accommodated if need be but so with the trail through out lot A and B and your just took your little cursor and showed me but can that be built right now since
we're still kind of waiting or since it needs to wait to be designed until the floodway issue is resolved with with approval tonight the floodway will go forward and before construction's completed we'll have that process completed so that can certainly be some
type of condition to approval that says you know prior to you know completion um but as Dan indicated we can't do any grading in the floodway until that process is completed and to be able to put the trail in we'd have to do grading we could certainly do a
temporary you know Rock Trail or something of that nature if maybe but or we can just mow a grass Trail as well to connect to the cars Landing but you can you zoom out at I mean where is it getting still just to the back by rocks or where's this where would that get so
this would be basically where the building is located y you connect through have to come up throughout lot a basically to connect to the trail around Carri Landing how far is that R from just viewing this I'd say it's
over 500 feet okay it's about that big yeah and we do have a trail we do have a park concept there image I Know Dan if you can pull that up showing what we're proposing once we do have the floodway back to the river which would
be done um on our phase two development and that shows the number of trails the Ampitheater all the all the amenities it would be about 600 feet following the nathy's lot line between the subject site and carrick's Landing
the this line here is the South line of cars Landing there questions or comments mayor yes Ryan are we ready to talk about Building height uh yeah it's on my list too I I mean I appreciate kind of
working on it and trying to come down but it's still um it's still Way Too Tall so I if I if I think I heard you correctly I think it was that you're only 10 feet from the next highest I
don't know if that's what I read well I think we're 11 to 12 Dan's got listed as 14 but our final grade will actually come up a little bit um so so I think Dan referring to page I think the calculation that was done whether by Dan or Ron right now is based on current grades um potentially but mayor we
measure Building height from grade to top so where their final grade sets doesn't affect how this building compares to other buildings in the city okay right you can continue sorry or if you add more to that I think that's my point
it's just it's too tall and again I think it's one of those scenarios where uh if it were just up to me I'd say go ahead and build it but we have these zoning regulations um I understand at The Building height uh last time we
kind of talked about maybe there being a safety issue um and from my understanding the um Emergency Services director is kind of given okay at least on the height side of it correct um but I still think uh you know if the zoning regulations
need to change then let's do it but it's not meeting them so I would agree with the height being too tall for this and that was what I said last time I I understand and respect your guys' decision the height is proposed based on a number of reasons
why so it is uh very important that the pro meets that occupancy to support everything we want to do there I'd ask you to consider that we're taking essentially flood line and building on it so where other buildings are built maybe already on not floodland you know we're we're considerably lower and we've
got the freeway Block in us so um from a perspective of driving in the community you know this is going to be really an awesome thing that really you know hey what where are we what is this right so it's not going to feel high I mean you're blocked by the freeway we're 11 or 12 feet higher than the peak of
guardian angels that's not even noticeable in any kind of distance in reality you know it may seem high on paper and it is a PUD development you guys have the ability and the authority to weigh the good with the bad here right and so um I completely respect your decision if you feel that 12 feet
of height is uh is too far another point to make just about uh parking to go back to that for a second was staff did not support to the on street parking either for plowing right and we talked about if you see in a drawing you would be basically turning
into the lane to get yourself into those parking spots so you'd be kind of whipping into the spot I guess I you know you're not most people aren't coming from the south going north they're coming from the north going south so you would be taking a leftand turn and then parking at an
angle mayor the intent of the design would obviously be traffic would go past the site turn around at the cuac come back and enter anyone that's driven through downtown Milk River knows what people do is just they do not strange turn in and
then several parking Maneuvers there there are lots of accidents there and as also hard to see if it's busy when they're back in now El river is obviously different than what we're looking at here the only people that would be coming from the sou of the
people in the summer months that may be at the the site right mayor one last comment from me y I think the last issue is and it's minor compared to the other ones but the floor area that I think some of the
um some of the apartments wouldn't meet the minimum um for floor area and I understand if you kind of take the average it works out but again I'm kind of looking at what the zoning is so that would be some more feed back yeah so one
of the comments that came up during planning on that was they would meet it if we took out a wall and called them Studios and so again I'm just asking Council this is a small town right this should be small town government we should look at laws and apply them in the way they're intended right and so the goal is that we have minimum size
units um and we're meeting that on a variety of units but people want one bedrooms not Studios you know I think it's an arbitrary rule I think it should be looked at and said okay well we can take out a wall and we call it studio and and and far exceeds that requirement um so we've presented them the way we
have so that we can get the units so we can provide a wide variety this isn't the same apartment where it's like here's Unit A and we're going to stack that you know every floor and we're gonna have 50 of those right if you look at our floor plans we've got a lot of unique units that bit different styles of different Lifestyles different age groups um and so you know we looked at
that and thought it's kind of silly I mean quite frankly you know stuff's getting smaller people want to spend their time Outdoors people don't want to you know maintain houses and so um certainly if we needed to we would remove those walls and call them Studios if that if that was need be but again
that that to me seems like uh something where again the council has a discretion to look at that and say does this meet the intent of what we're wanting in the city and and then you guys make that decision and I think that's very much like the parking um and I think that's very much like the building height I think you guys rely on your commissions
to provide feedback planning commissions supported this overwhelmingly it's their job to comment on planning related items um I know I live in this Comm Community we've got tons of interest in this project and uh I would just you know ask you guys to again weigh the good weigh the benefits of the tax base increase
the money the city's going to have the potential for a wonderful destination Park bringing all that Revenue that El River gets right now bringing to Todd SEO for the restaurant expanding on that and weigh that against not having 39 parking stalls and weigh that against 12 feet of a toer building right um that's
something you guys do have to decide but I just ask that you consider everything and not you know just the two items that we've been hung up on that we've made improvements on significant improvements on since we've been last since we were last year so than yeah I'm sorry one more question
just and I'm assuming the answer is gonna be yes but I guess I want to hear from you you know you talk about just taking down a wall and having a studio does that what does our Market show up here are people looking for that because I have a daughter who's looked at apartments and most people young or old
they're looking for two bedrooms so I I guess I'm surprised with just saying well Studio side would be so high no that's why we want to provide one bedrooms because I think you're right people want that closed you know so so we could take a wall out and call those Studios and meet the code but I don't think that's what the I don't think
that's necessarily what people are looking for and I will say in regards to Market studies we had two done I had an independent Market study done last June and that showed overwhelming demand for our product and that's specific to our product being true class a mixed use so so they didn't look at you know
Apartments Apartments Apartments it was what is mixed use bring and then they obviously brought into the uh equation the riverfront access right so there's there's overwhelming demand for it and then as part of our finance package we're required to get another independent one that the bank chose as a market study and that validated our
previous study and actually showed an even higher demand so the demand is there people want to come and live here people want to live in mixed use buildings they want to be able to walk to the restaurants they want to have access to underground parking they want to have access to amities like the city park and the park we're going to eventually build um it's a great area
where we could be doing things like scooters like duth has people can get around and summer on that kind of stuff but um I think the demand is there overwhelming I'm happy to share those Market studies with you if you need to take a look at them but when it comes to the one bedroom studio question yes I think that people do want bedrooms you know right they want bedrooms they want
a door they want the Privacy um so that's where I'm saying okay we may not meet the 700 square feet I don't know who comes up with that number what information did you guys use to come up with 700 I don't know I'd like to see that too but we're simply saying we'll give you 700 across all of our
one-bedrooms but we want to provide a big variety right for different people and different layouts um so we're meeting the 700 across all one bedrooms it's just some units might be slightly smaller than that and those units could be Studios which I think would not be as attractive and in reality people would
move in and they're going to stand up some kind of partition anyways and then that then that's more of a fire cat issue than anything right so Madam mayor yes um so in listening to you again I'm going back to you know creating a
unique area for people to go to that fits atso and I don't mean this with this disrespect but again we have codes and ordinances for a reason and you there is time for you to meet those needs or
change your scope of your project or the scale of your project um so I I just and again I'm not I don't want to be disrespectful but again it it's just this was in front of you and that were
some of the things that we how we do things in the city of AO and not that those things like Ryan said cannot be changed but as of right now this is what it is so yeah so I've only improved it since it was approved last time council member you know I mean
it was approved last time with a taller height you know and with the with the Cons with the um um you know with the requirement to put in the 489 parking stall so we have improved the height on it but it still doesn't meet yeah and the project won't go forward without you
know if the project has to be lowered it won't go forward unfortunately and that's a decision you guys will have to make but we did have approval last time and I brought that back to you guys to get approval again and improved on that so but the approval was if you were reading the conditions as far as the
height of the building parking um working with the Army Corps it's it's it's still all these unknowns and again I can take your word for it but I don't have anything in front of me tonight saying yes this is how far along we are with the flood plane
and I think I think there's a little bit of a misunderstanding respectfully council member the the flood plane stuff was regarding you know the city acquiring the river Frontage as part of the approvals right and that piece we worked with the parks department and come to the determination that an easement would all be that's needed so
that that requirement has been fulfilled right um the height was approved at the height that we had had last time the parking needed to be shown at final plat for the full par um so really the only change from the previous approval that we received is that we're saying instead
of installing 489 parking stall we're asking to show proof of parking for 450 but correct me if I'm wrong you're in front of us because you let it expire uh you know I didn't get notice on that unfortunately you know and and that's my fault you know typically you would get like an email right hey by the way are
you moving forward your final plat I got a notice stating that your plats now expired um so but again that's my fault and I'll take responsibility for that if Council wishes um to deny the project today I understand that everything we've done is for nothing um it's completely up to council I think that we've
provided something quite remarkable we've improved on and I've listened to all the feedback um you know it's for you guys' consideration here tonight and I I truly appreciate it I take no offense um you know it's your guys' job and you guys were elected to make these decisions but it is within a PUD
District so it's a district that gives the council flexibility to make these decisions and to deviate from standard city code mayor real quick yes U from G to hearing from my Council and yourself I know I was part of the one who or I was one of the council members who approved
your last one before expired uh one key thing uh for those of us UNC counts we've ever built anything one key I've always put in is whenever a city city gives me codes or anything you go above and beyond not like well wait wait wait wait you know I want to do it this way I
you have guides and guidelines but I want to do it this way well when it comes to your final plat I would suggest you build above and beyond actually you know with the parking 489 or more with the rooms 700 square feet
or more using that as a guide not like well wait a minute you know well um we can point this and that we can you know point fingers and you know argue and all that but you know there's an old saying like council member dlap said there's there these codes and stuff are
here for a reason and that's you know for you to build on for you to do the math and check everything out here and then of course with the you know we could all argue about the height of the building but when it comes to everything else you really got to come above you
know not only that and Beyond so I would say make sure you know with this gets the final plat you go above and beyond with your parking with your room size with your restaurants and you know because if you have your chipsy chicken and I come in there hey I need 12 well I can just
give you 10 you know it doesn't work for business so on the other side of it for safety in your tenants we'd love to give you 700 but we give you 650 because you know it's better to ask and sometimes I've seen with what's come to council you know we we kind of we front upon
asking for get than permission we like the permission and then hey we decided to go 710 instead of 700 you know go above and beyond instead of well 650 if you know what I mean so I highly recommend you go above and beyond on your uh high dollar building here in
your investment thank you um Dan just you made a comment how does this work for I I will say I can't think of very many that we've seen a project again because they've let their time expire mayor usually we're in
regular conversation with applicant uh and they'll request the necessary extensions this project just expired uh we don't monitor the timeline because it's the developers it's the developers responsibility to do so
any other questions or comments thank you council members mayor thank you you all right where are people at here to make some decision either way mayor i' say this is not a final and
we uh three of us did approve uh this before um I think our discussions today with the ownership uh that'll give him even better direction to go until final plat this is not a final plat correct this is just a renew of what he it' be approval
of the P development stage plan and preliminary PL with the 21 conditions on findings fact decision and looks like Planning Commission did a good job but they did also vote seven to zero so mayor I'd like to make a motion okay motion to approve a preliminary plat and
PUD development stage plan for ATO Waterfront District formerly Mississippi Landings subject to the conditions that stated by the findings of fact and decision as presented is that decision or discussion decision decision as presented there a second I'll ask again is there a
second motion fails due to a second Dan I'll look to you and the attorney do we need to make a official motion to deny or what is the option city council to make a motion to deny uh you need to have findings written findings fact supporting that decision in front of you
um we can finalize those and print them if you wish to table this to later in the agenda review those at that portion of the agenda the other option would be uh a motion to approve that is seconded that fails uh then the obligation is
only that those opposing the motion State for the record the reasons for their decision quick quick clarification on that you can second a motion and not approve it right sure you can second the motion then vot for discussion against right
right I'll second then do I have to restate mayor the motion should be restated in second Council like to restate or remotion motion to approve a plat and PUD development stage plan for ATO
Waterfront District formerly Mississippi Landings subject to the conditions as stated by the findings of fact and decision is presented I'll second motion by Jeff seconded by Ryan is there any discussion all those in favor signify by saying
I all those opposed signify same sign I mayor now each member needs to State for the record to be recorded by by the clerk the reasons for their vote okay start go first
sure uh building's Too Tall rooms are too small and there's not enough parking spaces you asked um I'm okay with the height I always have been so I'm fine with that um parking for me is an issue
and the fact that this expired is another issue because I don't feel that the developer was really really prone to making something here in ATO be what he wanted so um those are my reasons for
not approving it okay mine are uh parking stalls as Mr D council member Dunlap also Building height um and room sizes as following our requirements for the city Jeff mayor I'm also uh I'm I'm
I second what Tina said um okay with the height but yeah definitely the parking stalls that needs work and also the rooms uh like I said before my statement it's better to overbuild and over plan than to under plan and
undermine Britney um Madame mayor the height of the building and the size of the rooms and as well I should say square footage of the rooms and then the parking is situ
apption thank you mayor thank you thank you thank you all right moving on to item 4.2 I don't want to my quadria I did it right been practicing Ventures okay I was like oh I don't want
to I don't want to say it wrong sorry so item two is the quadria ventures I'll turn this over to our city thank you mayor quadrio Ventures is here uh representing the harpster property uh proposing a comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use plan to
guide the property from low to medium density residential to medium to high density residential uh this again is a legislative act giving the council great discretion to consider many factors in reaching a decision uh but we also note that uh this is subject to Future
applications to proceed with the development all we really have in front of us is a concept sketch plan at this point uh so this would include a zoning map Amendment which is also a legislative decision uh prelimary and final plat and conditional use permits uh for the phase one which would consist
of row town houses and the expected phase two uh development of an elementary school for ISD 728 uh we outlined for the Planning Commission uh the land use concept plan that's included as part of the comprehensive plan uh encouraging growth
management using infill development providing transitions from uh intense land uses back from major roadways into low density residential neighborhoods and incorporating uh institutional facilities such as public school facilities as part of that uh land use
Arrangement and development pattern U housing is encouraged from the standpoint that single family dwellings will always be the primary form of housing in ATO but there is a need from both a life cycle and attainability standpoint to provide Al narratives in the form of two family townhouse or
multiple family dwellings uh what the comprehensive plan says is yes encourage those types of uh land uses but also provide them in dispersed locations so that they're not all concentrated into one single area when then the intensity of the land use can cause either
compatibility issues with surrounding development or potentially uh interfere with infrastructure um comprehensive plan also deals a lot with the IDE of the need for uh Community facilities such as schools when you lay out your
land use plan you obviously can't expect where the school district may be able to acquire property uh or when that property will be needed so these are often handled on a case-by Case basis uh and so the comprehensive plan encourages the city to work with the school
district to assist in finding appropriate locations that would serve their populations also the city's constituents uh that have adequate infrastructure structure capability to support them and where they'd be compatible with surrounding uses also the city encourages and has planned for
development of collector in arterial streets to accommodate traffic development both from a uh residential commercial or business land use as well as access to the institutional land uses the future land use plan uh that
includes designating this site for low to medium density residential uses defines that as three to five units per acre uh where the question comes in with the subject site is in the form of single family single family Villas or two family dwellings they're showing row
Town hoses on the phase one portion of the development here which necessitates the change uh medium to high density residential uses are at five to 12 units an acre and would include those row townhouse dwellings Transportation plan uh buding
this site which is located here on the map uh and then on along the east side of future Randolph Avenue so at abuts River Road County Road 42 which is a minor arterial roadway uh County Road 36 Rawlings Avenue and 53rd Street on the
south end uh as a major collector Street which will also be undergoing an improvement project in 2027 uh including shoulder expansion roundabout construction uh the city will incorporate a trail on the west side of the roadway as part of that project from
Randol Avenue up to River Road uh Randol Avenue which exists to the south of the development site uh that was constructed as part of the River Place project and provides access to the city's west or east wastewater treatment facility that would be extended North as part of the
phase one project uh to 65th Street which is currently a gravel roadway that intersection and then out to River Road would be improved to collector Street standards as well this serves not only the proposed development but also improves access to U the River Point
replace Meadows of Riverpoint and Highlands of Riverpoint developments uh that are currently largely reliant on County Road 36 to reach either Queens Avenue on one end or uh River Road on the opposite end outside of inter
neighborhood connections utilities are available to the site this is one of the properties identified as having sewer immediately available it's actually shown in two classifications just because the property exists as two Parcels um but the utilities are available at the South
line of phase one would be extended through the project to then serve future phase two uh as part of the development of the site uh the developer would pay all costs regarding sewer and water utility availability fees the individual Builder would pay the connection charges
at the time of development there is an existing uh Force main that connects to the Quade Avenue lift station um so basically all of the Wastewater from the East sewer district is going through this Corridor uh the city May place an additional Force main pipe in that area
to accommodate future growth uh that's forecast to occur within the eour district the developer would receive credits for that but uh it would save the city and have the infrastructure in place uh when it's needed this area largely started
developing uh with the 1998 comprehensive plan the property immediately west of the treatment facility uh property owner uh Lobby to have their property included in the sewer district and it was included so that's where River Point came from uh
and then proceeded with River Place initially with the recession development largely stopped uh for approximately a decade but resumed again with lenar and Capstone homes building additional subdivisions in this area everything
North to County Road 36 uh on either side of Randolph Avenue is planned for residential development uh and would facilitate both the proposed phase one development as well as the uh school facility so what the developer provided to support their compren of plan
amendment is an overall sketch plan uh for the property that shows development at just under five units in acres phase one which they would intend to proceed with this fall uh potentially would include 41 gross Acres 149 dwelling units what they're showing is single
family lots matching the pattern of development in Meadows of Riverpoint extending North so that you have the same type of home and lot standards abing each other and then they would have villa homes creating a transition again single family units but
transitioning to the 110 row tow houses that abut directly to Randolph Avenue and 65th Street as well as a portion of River Road the density that they're showing on the phase one project is 4.7 units per acre so it's still well within
that low to medium range that the property is currently guided and but for the the form of the the housing units the proposed land use complies with the comprensive plan phase two is 36 acres in area and would be intended to be subject to a purchase and donation
agreement uh between the developer and ISD 728 for a future Elementary School what they're showing is 216 row town houses based solely on establishing a valuation for those agreements uh not intending to go
forward with it um so the land use change facilitates that agreement at the Planning Commission meeting there were questions as to why isd728 would look to this site uh for a school facility um I can say that City
staff has talked frequently about uh this site with isd728 because they've long held that they need an elementary school in this area of the community um one of the things to understand of course is Elementary School maybe not the way they used to be but
they're still more neighborhood oriented facilities so you can see the School District boundary Maps uh on the overhead you have Prairie View covering the West portion of isd728 aigo Elementary covers basically everything north of 65th Street and West
of Highway 101 to the center portion of the city and subject site and all of the development in oigo that was formerly Frankfurt Township I currently being served by Hassen Elementary that area of Rogers is also growing and creating
facility needs uh for ICD 728 so their belief is their professional staff is looking at this site saying this location would be appropriate to help balance out School needs in oigo and reduce pressure on the elementary facilities uh in
Rogers so a lot of the uh discussion at the Planning Commission concerned the acquisition of phase two by uh isd728 in the report we explained that it this was a model suggested by City staff based on the city's experience
with acquiring property uh from a private land owner that was received by the city as a donation and then used to transfer to mot meeting the city's full financial obligation for the trunk Highway 101 project in the 2000's decade
in terms of the valuation of the property so no additional tax money had to be spent event related to the roadway improvements um the purchase agreement that the school district and developer are talking about would basically allow a two-year window for the school district to acquire the property uh the
designation of the property to medium and high density residential allows developer to establish a market value for the property based on that development potential uh and then the second component with this is a donation agreement um the developer essentially receives less than market value for the
property and cash from the school District uh the difference between that valuation what they receive in cash payment becomes Their donation uh they receive a tax benefit for doing that uh that they can then apply to their their business activities um so the example
would be is if the property were valued at $100,000 and isd728 provided $50,000 in cash per acre for the property um the taxpayers are saving that $50,000 an acre um but the developer is still
realizing the full value of their property through the donation and the tax credits that they receive uh essentially this is a mechanism to save both the taxpayers of isd728 and the City of oigo uh that difference in actual cash
payment less than the value of the property uh it also provides isd728 greater ability to provide Community facilities needed uh to support uh the growth occurring both in oigo and the district as a whole uh we also provided to the Planning Commission examples
where uh City staff views that having these smaller scattered sites of townhous developments are relatively successful uh each of these is adjacent to collector streets and transition uh to single family neighborhood so the first is just south of here at Randolph
Avenue in County Road 36 uh the orange parcel is the uh 32 Town h house dwellings the green parcel was actually uh intended to be developed for townhouses but the city ended up acquiring it during the recession to develop Frankfurt
Park um there's the Prairie Creek uh Town Homes adjacent to the Prairie Creek single family neighborhood also adjacent to oo Elementary a little further west than that at Page Avenue and 78th Street 75th Street Pheasant Ridge combined uh
townhouse single family Villas uh with surrounding single family uh within the Boulder Creek and addition sub divisions of uh feasant bridge and then on the west side of or west side of the city is Pleasant Creek Farms Jason
to uh County Road 19 in the west treatment facility bodry Meadows uh and the Arbor Creek single family neighborhood Wildflower Meadows was platted uh with the intent of having both single family and townhouse development as part of their overall
project City staff recommended approval of the application based on consistency with the policies of the comprehensive plan uh there are obviously again the emphasis placed on the future applications uh there was considerable discussion about the latitude that the city has with regards to those
applications again under the interim land use plan provisions of the compehensive plan no zoning decision is being made tonight and that's a decision reserved by the city for a future date with an actual development plan so you have discretion in approving the timing
of that zoning change uh and if it's not accompanied by a school uh the city can require changes to that the city can also reverse its decision on amending the comprehensive plan uh and the land use designation of the property if it finds that the purchase agreement or
donative agreement between developer and school district has fallen through U Planning Commission held a public hearing June 15th to consider the application a number of residents uh attended the meeting uh you have copies of the draft minutes as part of the packet we also provide Ed the five
written comments that were received in advance the public hearing as far as the Planning Commission discussion the ultimate vote ended up being four to two as stated on the record in in the minutes um one commissioner both Commissioners objected to the basis of
the change being the financial agreement between the developer and isd728 the other didn't believe that it was an appropriate location for a school facility so the they voted no their uh objections were noted and the other four voted to recommend approval City staff
provided resolution 202 24- 52 amending the comprehensive plan for your consideration this evening thank you does the developer wish to comment good evening mayor members of council my name is my name is Megan Rogers and I'm attorney with lurin Hoffman and I represent quadriga
Ventures uh thank you for the opportunity to speak with you this evening uh one of the things that I think uh the city planner has outlined very well um is that this project and the type of density that's proposed before you this evening is truly
contingent upon the school district coming in and purchasing that Phase 2 site so we recognize that this property is currently zoned and it's guided for uh the low density res use and uh the the comprehensive uh or the I should say
the concept plan that's in front of you for the phase one site is consistent with uh the the lot coverage and the density um that would be expected within that low density use um this is really an in Innovative suggestion by staff uh
to find a path towards efficiency in terms of financing um both the development of additional single family homes fill homes and town homes within the city uh as well as bringing the school district uh a site that appears to be viable uh to them uh for expanding
the Elementary School uh access one of the things um that I would be happy to share tonight is any questions that you might have about our agreement with the school district um as it exists today is an option agreement uh we received comments back uh earlier today they are
not substantive in nature um so we're very comfortable with where we are in terms of our work with them uh it would be an option agreement excuse me to um for a two-year period while they obtain financing and they go move forward with due diligence work on the site so that's all of the soil testing um those types
of questions that they will have in terms of providing access and how they would build their building um they'll have the opportunity to do that during that two years meanwhile we would develop the phase one site um with the uh an mix of the the housing options that we've shown you on the concept plan
tonight I think it's also important for us to know sort of the the legal basis um and the legal steps we would need to go through in order to uh move forward with development for uh the phase one site so today tonight is the comprehensive plan Amendment before you
we would plan to come back to you with a rezoning action um as well as a site plan approval uh later before any work would continue on the phase one site and so you have an opportunity to look to see what we're building another opportunity for public comment um and and I believe the thing a conditional use permit is also required as part of
that approach uh so so lots of opportunities uh for you to look at at what will actually go there um but tonight we're talking about density and again certainly very happy to answer any questions that you may have uh about uh this Arrangement and and our um our project moving
forward thank you mayor yes I would just add that I've spoken with uh isd728 business manager Andy almost almost and uh he has confirmed that they are moving towards finalizing this agreement uh don't see any substantive issues that would prevent that from happen so the
question Megan made a comment that they would have two years to do the soil testing but and at any time they could back out but we would still have the ability to change that phase too then when it came corre
forward and and we acknowledge as the development group that uh if the school district was to back out um of the option agreement and elect not to purchase the property we would anticipate that the city council would take action on its own accord uh to re to regu that to the uh the low uh
density land use that it's currently guided at today mayor just to add one more point to that um City staff would be engaged directly with the school district as they're doing their due diligence about what the city's requirements are uh
utility connections Wetland issues grading issues so it won't be that this would be considered and that everyone would disappears for two years until they show up with plans for a school and or decide not to exercise that option
City staff would be engaged in aware of progress okay thank you all right Council question for the developer excuse me developer or staff it's
joking Madam mayor I just want to confirm what I heard I think I think I heard that if we made no change phase one is still compliant with the existing zoning is that correct correct mayor so the what the land use plan says it's two
things it's the dense so less than five units an acre and also single family to family or single family Villa they're showing the 110 row Town Homes which would not be allowed under the current
designation but when you combine it you said it's it's still it's the form of the housing that triggers the requirement and that's done intentionally so that if the city has on its comprehensive plan something guided for low or low to
medium density residential there's a basis to say no we don't want Town Homes there but we can reconsider that what's done on the 20,000 acre basis of the comprehensive plan based on a specific development
proposal that this slight change to the plan to add density or to add row Town Homes at this intersection of two collector streets is logical and makes sense and is supported by the policies of the count Madame mayor yes I would like to make a
motion to adopt resolution 2024-25 you got it thank you Ventures is there a second second motion by Britney seconded by Jeff there any discussion Madam mayor yes
I I'm having a little bit of a difficult time with this one because I think what it seems to me like we're doing is increasing the density of phase two really which
sort of inflates the value of that parcel so that a donation or a sale could be made um I kind of agree with the Commissioners that voted no on this it doesn't it doesn't seem like something we should be doing so I'm gonna vote
no Dan can you comment to that mayor um that's a valid opinion as we outlined the city has used this approach for its own improvements so it it's a reasonable approach from the standpoint of applying community and
developing Community facilities we certainly wouldn't entertain this for a number of applications as I said at the Planning Commission it's definitely unusual um but it is one means of accomplishing both City and School
District goals but in the end the donation the benefiting to Ryan's point benefiting donation is to the developer to inflate it for their tax purposes of a donation correct cor right or
sale well mayor if they sold the property they'd be selling it at a valuation for medium to high density when it's very likely the city's going to reverse that action yeah true so that they're taking a risk
on that well and simultaneously there certainly is value that exists today to develop this as a single family uh as a lowdensity residential neighborhood uh and and we specialize in doing just that uh so this is a site that has been uh
really targeted by the school district and in lie of of us uh moving forward with developing that and building homes on that site um we feel like this is an opportunity to collaborate and create an intering public private partnership that again uh was brought to us by City staff
um and we think has a has a good basis in terms of community benefit as well I'd also add you know this having the school district identify this site to which utilities are available and it is within the sewer district is challenging for the school district um
when they acquired the site that is Prairie View Elementary and Middle School that property was not in the sewer district City staff had identified that to the school district to say go by this 80 acres because you're going to need school facilities for this
community especially with the West Sewer District coming online we can get the utilities to you we can figure out the roads but buy the property before the value goes up as development property here they're dealing with development property and competing against the
private Market to acquire a site so we have seen sketch plans for this property from prior developers uh that included all single family homes uh and City staff was concerned that the school district was Miss their opportunity so
we're pleased that the developer has been willing to negotiate with the school district on the potential for them to acquire this site so because there's really not much when you go farther to the West that's that's
industrial correct most you can get to the you also start running into topography and Wetland issues west of where Randolph is um and then you really the the most viable sites come down to this site or the property to the South
which is not currently on the market there's not much left on the east side for them to acquire not not east of Highway 101 where they want this located primarily adjacent to these residential neighborhoods other comments
I guess my comment will be I don't love phase two how it's sketched out here I would not be in favor of that ever being built that way um but I do think that there is benefit to the school district having another
site for an elementary school I that neighborhood as you said they're all bus to Hassen so in elementary they you know they talk about not trying to put kids on 101 cdor a 94 and have them more neighborhood pocket schools
so I can see the value in that but I'll tell you when I saw the set Planning Commission I cringed I was like oh gosh this is not what I picture for that area yes and and I'll just also uh and put put forward for your review that you
know this is a very um highlevel concept plan this is not what we'll bring forward to you first of all the phase two site is the School site but um even with regards to the phase one site um you'll see much greater detail when we come in for our formal applications
aside from the guide plan Amendment uh later this fall because you did hear the residents that spoke that about the neighborhood here they had some concerns with they're in an HOA so they can't have certain um their fencing and this
was concerning to them it was obviously most talk about the south side of the project yes absolutely and and we St we had the opportunity to stay after for a little bit at the Planning Commission meeting and meet with those members specifically the residents who are along 58th Street um in the the existing
development we talked about how uh you know many of the homes in that neighborhood do not have a traditional sort of backyard to Backyard build there's that interesting trail that comes down into wetlands and runs through sort of the core of that space uh and and what we promise to bring
forward is to have further conversations with them um we we talked with our engineer tonight as well um there's a significant drop off between um in the in the land that runs below the homes and so so a treed site or something along the lines of a fence would work we
also did investigate um there's a large utility easement which is why the um existing Property Owners couldn't install offence or other screening um but it would not impact our site so we would be able to bring that forward um at the time of the final uh site plan review uh for your consideration and for
the neighborhoods consideration as well right any more discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose same sign I thank you for your timeon thank you thank you moving on to item 5.1 well house for
drinking water Improvement project Scott is online good evening I just realized I did not test this and I'm getting a message that the host has disabled participant screen
sharing well so well he how about Dan I will send you the an email real quick with the PowerPoint and we'll keep
chugging sounds good okay that works that good yeah not technically the H oh so I did share let enabled the security but I believe it's the way the meeting was set up that only hosts can
share their screen okay yeah in general that makes a lot of sense I just didn't see that one coming uh well while we're getting the the PowerPoint through cyberspace uh Madame mayor council thank you for uh having me here tonight uh
Adam uh had counseled me last week to to keep the slides short and sweet and they they will be that when they get there so I just few things while we're while we're getting the slides up it so wellhouse 4 this is our our first of the
well houses that were converting to water treatment uh we opened bids last week and I'll just say it very favorable we'll we'll get to the numbers when we we get the slides up because I do not have them exactly memorized uh so the the treatment that we're adding uh
remember that the the treatment goals are to uh remove the little bit of iron manganese and okay Dan's getting the slides up all right so aspect ratio looks a
little different but we'll we'll keep uh rolling through and hopefully it doesn't cut off too much important information uh so project scope we'll go through that a little bit of schedule uh funding and and get on with the bids Okay so that is a this is a cutaway view on that
graphic of uh the inside of the the main water plant without the roof the the bit on the left is the the backwash recovery tank that's approximately at grade uh so let's go to the next one so again our our goals were to
remove radium manganese and iron those are three Target constituents with this upgrade to the water plant uh the main pieces in the the project the granular media filtration is really the the main
item with this system so adding filters again that the first filtration that we we'll be adding to the water plants or the well houses across the system uh with that we there's some chemical dosing that we go into the backwash recovery system uh is a important aspect
of this uh total water plant system uh standby generator just increasing the resiliency uh and uptime and then uh some building expansion and improvements that encompasses most of of the the project elements next slide all right I got cut off a little
bit on the side there but uh so we we've actually got some very good Project funding for this uh it was about a year and a half ago we we had the visit and uh the congressionally directed spending um managed to have $3.4 million directed
to the towards the project uh we were also able to qualify for what's called an emerging contaminants Grant the manganese is not yet a must do on the list so it's considered one of the emerging contaminants from a public
health standpoint uh and that can go up to to $3 million additional that would uh kick into the project the the balance would be through an srf loan uh similar to the loans that we've done in the past
and then uh the one note that uh part of why it did take a little bit longer to get this out this is the first project that we are aware of that combines both the the congressionally directed spending that's administered through EPA
as well as the the Minnesota Department of Health and the the state uh revolving fund program so they're there was some learning all the way around for everyone we did manage to uh really thread the needle and and show
that the project was entirely uh predated the the newer uh Baba requirements that's one of the strings that's attached to uh some of these projects this will likely be my last srf funded project that does not include those Baba requirements um that I I do
truly believe that that helped us on the bids uh but so just a few notes on the funding we've got about as much funding for this project as we're probably ever going to get for one of these so go to the next slide uh so we opened bids uh last
Thursday about as late as we could possibly do and still get all this information into the council packet uh and uh I'll just say the bids were good our our Engineers estimate I I knew was probably a little bit high that we we had that including Baba and we we didn't
try to attempt to redo the numbers uh once we figured out that Baba was not in there um the the second and third bidder were right around where we anticipated that they would be and those are uh Minnesota contractors that we've worked
with quite a bit I I was a little bit worried that we we might lose Magny construction and I I really didn't want to come to you at a meeting like this with only a single bidder so we we did shake the trees a little bit more and one of our other larger projects uh
that's also currently in bidding uh had gotten some interest from is Markin and Johnson which is a a Wisconsin contractor out of oir and uh you one of our other teams that's working on a bid had told us about them we got in contact
with them and and they had expressed some interest so we we managed to get a third bidder and I I didn't really expect them to be as aggressive as they were but they they came in pretty aggressive and it looks like they are trying to move into the Minnesota market
and uh fortunately we uh with these bids it appears that the city will be the the beneficiary of that we'll we'll see how it goes through the project but uh they they meet all of the contractor qualifications that we had in the bidding requirements and I I really have
no reason not to recommend market and Johnson so that's what in front of you today recommending award awarding the project uh to Market and Johnson so if you if you do look the detail on the RCA there are there are two resolutions on
there one of them is to uh award to Markin and Johnson and then the next one go to the next slide uh similar so our previous engineering contract had gone through uh
piloting designing and bidding this would then be the amendment to finish out the project including the construction Administration uh the the funding Administration associated with that the the on-site uh construction observation a little bit of uh operation maintenance
manual and warranty uh post construction work as well as the the controls programming and integration that that we typically do with the projects uh for a Professional Services Amendment uh a little bit over $700,000 for that work I
go to the next slide uh in terms of construction schedule I I'll walk through these briefly uh assuming that we are able to uh award to the apparent low bidder this evening we would then uh go into
contracts and work through the notice to proceed uh looking at the initial construction uh basically expanding the building and putting in that tank this fall uh one of the things we don't really have enough slack in the system to completely take the water plant offline next summer uh so we will have
the the contractors are required to to keep the wellhouse operating uh before they they really tear into things so through that irrigation season in 2025 we'll we'll be making water basically the same way we are right now uh and then once that irrigation season in 2025
wraps up we'll we'll let them tear into the rest of it and and get the all the new equipment installed uh move some all the chemical feeds that they need to move uh and then really get over to to start up by February 2026 and then may
2026 looking at that final completion but we we should be making a good improving the water uh by February 2026 that's that's the Target right now that really takes into account all the uh electrical and Equipment inst U longer
lead times of some of those pieces of equipment that that's really why I pushed it a little further so with that construction schedule uh will go to any questions Council questions May yeah hey Scott this is Jeff um can you you
mentioned some contaminants do you know of excuse me some contaminants with the uh or the filtration excuse me of the iron iron quality uh I know manganese was the big deal out here that's why this is picked in the west side of oigo plus the radium
um what do you see in type of filtration how how much contaminants will be filtered out with the setup that has been presented um we would our targets are approximately half of the uh so the
different contaminants some of them are what's called maximum contaminant level that's the enforceable standard and then the iron would be a secondary contaminant level which is more of an athetic issue if you see the brown staining on any sidewalks that's
typically iron uh if you see black staining it's typ typically from manganese and uh manganese also has a health advisory level um each of those so take each of those levels our our Target is to be at at approximately half
of the allowable or Target level um so I I don't have it right off top of my head what the percent removal is but it particularly on manganese that it's it's a very high percentage removal basis to get down to the Target of half of that
uh Health advisory threshold thank you Scott my question is um so you explained a little bit that you reached out to our top bidder basically that one with the lowest but uh yeah market and
Johnson but what cities have they worked in I know you said they're from Wisconsin and they're trying to get into Minnesota Market but have they completed anything in Minnesota or have they just started projects in Minnesota um so on the public side it I
would have to I would have to check and and make sure I'm not missing something but I I do think as far as I'm aware this would be their first public project in Minnesota okay so that you know that that is a consideration um
it but it they they met the technical requirements in terms of uh previously building water plants and they just generally uh if you're talking about them like what their a lot of their core work is also uh private industrial work so very it's actually very similar to
the water plant what but they they've also done water treatment facility work as well so it just not not so much within the the borders of Minnesota okay thank
you other questions Council mayor yes Scott I think i' I'm pretty sure I've asked you this question before but just in case I we've kind of heard um horror stories of cities that switch over to um you you know cleaning their water and then it sort of causes all these
problems Downstream I I think the benefit that we have is that we have newer pipes we're not too concerned about that but is there an issue when we move to water filtration and cleaning that we may descale some of the pipes yes that that's a risk that we
need to be uh cognizant of the one thing one of the things that we've been doing from the aesthetic side uh is adding uh phosphate and that it's also called corrosion inhibitor and that that really
is uh I'll just say part of the game uh part of part of the best practices when you do have iron and manganese that is not going that is not removed by filtration uh we will as we work to add additional filtration across the city um
there's a couple different types of phosphate and there's basically the one you use with when you don't have filtration there's the one that you use when you do have filtration and we'll be on a we'll be going through a transition period continuing to add that phosphate uh the corrosion inhibitor will be an
important part of uh trying to avoid those issues with the Legacy manganes release um so a combination with our flushing program uh flushing the water distribution system uh to aggressively
uh remove any of those sediments uh basically out the side and not through the not through the customer tops um that'll be part of it as well as the the phosphate continuing with the the phosphate program that we've been on uh for basically the entire time that the
the city drinking water system has been operating awesome thank you may I've got yes confirmation hey Scott this is uh Tina quick question um you mentioned that this company um is out of oair market and Johnson and this is going to
be the their first project in Minnesota now is this their first project with um a wastewater treatment plant or not um it so this one is the is actually drinking water and I sorry I mostly come
in front of you with Wastewater issues this one happens to be drinking water sorry sorry yes sorry no no worries at all just want to make sure I clarify that and part of the reason I said it that way is cuz I actually do not know their specific resume for Wastewater um
but they they did meet our our bitter qualifications for drinking previous projects for drinking water treatment okay thank you any other questions or comments otherwise a motion would be in order may
I can make a motion yes motion to adopt resolution 2024 d53 accepting bids and awarding contract to Market and Johnson in of Clair Wisconsin for the wellhouse for treatment improvements project in the amount of 6 million 840,000
sir a second second motion by Jeff seconded by Tina is there any discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose same sign motion passes continue motion mayor yes
motion to approve exhibit K amendment to owner engineering agreement and amendment number one a profession Services contract amendment in the amount of $772,500 with the advanced engineering and Environmental Services LLC second motion by Jeff seconded by
Ryan is there any discussion all those in favor signif signify by saying I I I all those oppose same sign motion passes thank you all thank you thanks Scott good
work hey moving May if I can add something yes um one thing exciting or very exciting about wellhouse 4 getting treated as I mentioned before uh with Ryan coming on we've been working on this now for over a year and a half for myself since I've been elected I remember I came in to meet you guys and
I believe 20120 to talk about our water filtration and the reason why I bring that up is I remember talking to uh city planner uh I believe was it the water master plan the plan budgets for three and four was that from 2018 and 2020
that would be excuse me Ron was that from 2018 or 2020 okay reason why I bring that up is because I remember the budget or at least the cost analysis would about three million per three and four and I believe nine million correct me if I'm
wrong for one and two is that sound fair correct at that time that's what we expected right and as you can see this cost thank you to staff for getting the um uh the the grants and everything as you can see instead of three million this cost higher than six million thanks
to inflation and whatnot and reason why I bring that up is because a lot of you see a lot of comments online or E you know people we've talked to look at our water especially when the fire heightens go well this is for me a brand new filter people can see it nice and white and this is from mine two days ago and
of course it's not as wet but it is still Brown and thanks to this you won't see this as brown anymore and it will be white cleaner which that's why I was asking him uh Scott about that and bringing that up the reason why I bring all this up um was from our fire station
and with funding when it comes to funding like this I know we have uh wellhouse 4 came in with grants which is awesome uh in uh council member Dunlap and I are on uh Public Works subcommittee which we're also working on wellhouse 3 and there's been some
anomalies with three so but we did get grants with that not as much as for house 4 but we did get grants for it but that one there will be delays because there are some anomalies with spatial needs uh but one and two will be coming up and if those came in at 9 million
four to five years ago it probably will be well over 10 which probably means we'll be uh will'll be needing funds or grants or whatever or excuse me even loans from the same people we loan for business projects and I remember council
member Dunlap brought up a very good point with when we were in Eda that a council could very well like the uh vness Heist project when they uh decided to uh put the kbash on their sports complex which basically you know that
would put a halt in anything and then if we go for a loan for wellhouse one and two and of course what you will some will read uh earlier on there's also more plans for the uh East West connection with another pump house building a lot of this funds you know
could be I'm speculating of course but if it's over 9 million from five years ago could be 12 to 15 who knows again I'm speculating and then for that new building could be more than that so you know as a politician correct me when I'm
wrong if it's over 40 million for pul one and two not including three which we are working on and if there's a fifth coming in that would be really scary I mean I mean it was very brave for uh Ryan to bring that up it's like wow if we if that ever happens a future Council
ever defaulted on that firehouse and then we have to go to these uh for all these water loans and whatnot it's it would it would delay the East Side uh water uh Clarity that's why when I brought up two with the west side one
big reason why this is getting done in the west side because of that manganese that manganese gets taken care of first then of course with the East Water uh East West wa water connection all that clearer cleaner water will go down the East Side to help but they still need to be uh uh cleansed and and filtered and
whatnot with the projects that you see you saw how big that was it's going to be unbelievable but by the time we get this built and if we need money and that's you know something ever happens in the long run it's uh it was it was eye opening uh the comments that has been said here the last Council meetings
and whatnot so I just wanted to say that good job staff uh getting this going great job Council this is very exciting we're starting water treatment finally in one of our four uh treatment facilities and it'll be you know while people we'll see up to a point when our fire
hydrants get taken care of uh every half a year when we see that going but uh a lot of this will be taken care of and especially when you look at Kurt uh gave me numbers for what the city of oigo used without you know people with well water of course you're on your own with when it comes to the numbers that I'm
talking about but we have the city of oigo has used 375 million gallons this year so far out of our I believe 10 to 11 Wells so you know people use their they expect it once they turn the water on and it will be a little bit cloudy sometimes the way we have it right now
but you know we are working on it this is step one excellent job Council and excellent job staff thank you very much all right moving on to city council reports and updates first we'll start out with Heritage preservation commission thank you mayor uh HPC is
working um already on some new ideas for the Prairie Festival so make sure you all stop and check that Booth out that's that's really it we're just working on they're working on some projects okay Park and
recommission um you'll be happy to know that the HPC presented well gave me a name for Ash Park and the Commissioners did vote um and so the current Ashwood Park will now be Friedrich Park um the
fedok family has been here for quite some time and they would be on honored to have the park named after them so very exciting news for for them and for us I guess because Nick's been waiting and
waiting okay um and we also Council was invited to that last part Mission yep um and there were Miss Tina G we miss we missed Tina gate but the rest of us were there for that um and again just good good Fe back
I feel like from audience and everyone was there to attend right in regards to the pr Park Master yes yes oh didn't you guys know that that's what I was talking about we I I just I knew what you were talking about but I figured you should
say it uh Planning Commission uh tonight he just approved the quadriga which is what you saw tonight and we figured out how to say it next is Public Safety commission Tina I was the public safety commission
was able to tour the Northstar Regional Treatment Center which was uh it was a great tour staff was very friendly to show us um the different elements to the treatment facility um both the short-term and long-term stay uh we got
to actually go into the buildings and talk to some of the residents there um and then we hosted our our meeting just at the end of it but on SES there so um thanks to staff who was present Dan the planner came we also had
Daryl um the ambulance service was was also they were there so really yeah they Ted it because they it was their night to plan to attend and so they toured that and then Mo I think actually all all public safety commission members
were present I think so yeah yeah um help member dlet was there help member doll was there and I was there so was it was a nice tour yep and and uh able to answer a lot of questions we get some comments just about people walking down the street
calling Road 39 or 19 and just about safety factors to that but uh once you kind of see that their program is to make sure that people are getting out into the community they may be going to work um in those um areas that they're trying to walk to work um so they do
have bikes that they're able to take there some of them obviously don't have transportation so walking is means for them to get around it's obviously not super close for them to be walking down at 19 to get to Quick Trip or something but um they've been working with
local uh I guess I could name the golf course where they where a few of them work there actually so yeah I think there was a couple other businesses they mentioned too the thing that was that I that was surprising to me that the assumption that I had made is that you know people go there for um you know
detox and things like that and that's not what that facility is at all so I was surprised to learn that there's there's kind of two portions of the facility and the first portion is sort of your that's where they go immediately and they get their treatment um and that can last I think four to six weeks
somewhere around there if I remember correctly and then there's housing that they would go into for around six months and that and those are the people that you might see you know going out in working and being part of the community because they're trying to um you know
adapt and be part of a community so that was something that I learned that uh I was pretty surprised I I I had made some assumptions about the about the facility that turned out to be um pretty far off base so I'm glad I went yeah and it was good to hear just about their kind of
whole whole approach to it that to make sure that these men um have um you know housing in place AA in place and you know na in place all of those things for them that they're able to go back in you know and some
some of these men already have full-time jobs so they may be gone during the day and come back at night or they're there but they're expected to they have they have a curfew they have to sign in and out but they're not able to do that second stage as Ryan was talking about until they've moved on from the the core
treatment and they've moved into the other uh facility but um they have a lot of uh individual groups that they then run themselves at night so there might not be staff running those groups but they talked about
nursing staff on site so as Ryan said I I think that what we all might have thought was very different what after seeing what they have in place and then talking with them and meeting with their staff and they were very um thankful for our visit
and said you know maybe we should do this once a year so yeah great so that was nice um does anyone else have anything for city council reports and updates could we maybe do the next tour next year not on the same
dat as HPC well we tried to fit it in with Public Safety since they're the ones who usually take and adhere of the complaint so it was a it was a good fit for them so no I I'm just I'm apply teasing because I did I mean I would have gone
obviously but yeah we it a great yeah well um if nothing else from Council uh moving on to staff reports and updates Sabrina thank you mayor uh just a reminder Council was all invited to the ribbon cutting this Friday so the 26th
for Pet Supply Plus and Ace Hardware uh so they'll be having the ribbon cutting starting at two I believe Pet Supply Plus is first and then Ace is scheduled for 2:30 um so I know a few of you have already rspp and uh that's all I have
okay thank you Audra thank you mayor um I just wanted to let everybody know absentee voting has been going on for the primary election and starting this Friday will be direct balloting where a voter will be able to drop their ballot right into the ds200 and that'll be available up
until the day before elections and then just to let everybody know that candidate filing for mayor and Council will start Tuesday July 30th and will last for two weeks okay perfect
Dave no excuse me no updates thanks hadn't talked for a while yeah all right Dan mayor no upat Ron um 75th Street paved if you yes y noticed it good
job uh zachman Meadows grading is going to be starting that's that uh 80 acre parcel uh north and east of 70th Street in cader on the west side of town um you've seen the preliminary plat for that and
they're going to be coming in with their final plat for the for the uh utilities and streets here fairly soon um The Mill and overlay that's starting this week and info is being on the website for that the signage will be placed along the streets when they do
start I'm telling them not to park on the street one and two not to water on certain days that's when they'll be Paving but at no time will anyone not be able to get in out of their houses so as maybe some of the council members have
gone through a Mill and overlay project moves along pretty quickly and you always have Pavement in front of your house it just might be rough um also the Reconstruction project that'll be starting in early August and letters are going out this week to the
residents so uh everyone will be notified again there'll be information provided on the city's website okay thank you all right if no one has anything else and the motion to adjourn would be in order so move second motion by Tina
seconded by Jeff is there any discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppos same sign the meeting is ended thank you all for attending