you guys good we're good Megan you good okay all right good evening everyone welcome to oo city council chambers if everyone could please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pled Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all please join me in a moment of silence okay I would like to call our meeting to order it is February 17th 2025 at 6:32 p.m. and we have all
members of council present uh we do not have any ceremonial items so we will move on to item number two which is the approval of minutes for the January 6th and January 21st 2025 regular session meetings what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes from January 6 2025 and January 21st 2025 regular session second we have a motion in a second any discussion okay hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I I all those against the motion carries
moving on to item number three which is our public comment I do have one written request to speak when I call your name please come up to the uh Podium up here please state your name and address for the record uh
Mr Charles Zuber again [Music] my name is Charles Zuber I live at 1054 Willow Lake Circle here in Ovito um I'm a little miffed at the council
for not uh taking a little more time at doing what they did last meeting with the uh utility hikes we made the paper you made all the news around and really put us in light
in the community um that's one time and we had another time where we made ticked off so we need to take a look at that utility hike and
really reconsider that uh I believe that there was one white elephant in that utility hike that really need to be looked at before you voted yay or or nay on it uh that uh deep well that you're wanting
to put in to add to it uh I don't think you really understood the cost of running that particular station uh those costs are going to get rather high as the time goes on with
desalination and it's not a cheap way to go anybody that's ran a desination plant in a ship or in on these islands that uh that's the only place they get their water is uh through a desalination
plan and that's my statement on that so I would like you to reconsider that and pull it back and uh really take a good hard look at it and on that note I'm going to my other thing that was uh I'd
like to thank uh the city for opening up the uh new Raceway they on Broadway uh we're having a problem now with people running red lights and speeding uh that is evident in the
mornings at the corner of Lake Jessup and pine or Broadway and Lake just our oido Boulevard in Broadway I've worked both Corners uh I've gotten relief from
having to work oo now uh we finally got one more employee to help relieve our situation there with having to work double shifts so that is that but uh we do need
some help there uh we'd also probably need a little more of the signage I don't know where that money will come from but these illuminated black boxes with the no right turn on red lights uh we need those put
in on uh Lake Jessup and on obido Boulevard because people just seem to want to make a right turn on red without paying attention to what we've got in the way of kids or anything else they
just zip around the corner and it's very dangerous all right thank you very much thank you Mr Zuber um I do not have any other written requests to speak is there anybody in the audience that would like to address council at this time hearing none I will close public
comment and we will move on to items number four through 7 on our consent agenda what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda as is second we have a motion and a second is there any
discussion council member Britain Council Rock I'd like to break out four and five and at least have them read Mr C in the past have we requested to do that before we make motions you can do it as an amendment to
the motion okay you can so I guess you would have to ask the Motions okay so as so as a point of order then when um what what would you like me to do uh because yeah because I agree um in our uh rules and procedures
it says that one member can have them broken out but the way we've been doing it we've kind of had to ask but it's it's always been there I think by right you can do it by right you can do it by right but usually I feel like we've done it in the past you do it beforehand before you make the motion so you don't have to amend it but it's fine either way so you can request the motion to
make a friendly amendment to pull those out okay uh would you be willing to do that Mr sure thank you okay so we will make number you said four and five uh yes please okay so item number four is going to become 7A
and item number five is going to be 7B so now we're looking at the consent agenda for six and S we still have a motion in second yes okay any further discussion on item six and S then I'll will ask the uh clerk to
take a roll call vote council member bford I council member Brittain I mayor slik I Deputy Mayor tuer I council member a i motion carried so we will move on to item number 7A which is resolution number
456225 which is the intergovernmental inter agency agreement between the Ido C SI and the City of Ido uh Mr cob uh thank you Deputy Mayor this is a request for the council to adopt an inter local inter agency agreement with the CRA and this is to facilitate the construction
of the Connector Road between 430 State R 434 and Geneva Drive Annie could you pull up just pull up the map uh for us please and uh this we've done two prior interlocal agreements uh on this project
one was for the preliminary reports that we did the second one was for the design of the design any that's not not that map uh the map of the roadway please uh for uh this uh yes for
resolution yes perfect that map yes thank you and so we need to do an inter local agreement for the construction to facilitate the construction of the roadway uh the roadway does have three components to it there's the roadway
itself there's also the lift station uh lift station 7 which we will be uh putting into a new new location as well as building a larger lift station and then as well as the solar Park bridge that connects the roadway to solary park
uh the as the the project project is the CRA will be funding the roadway project as well as the solar Park Bridge the lift station 7 will uh expansion and relocation will be funded through fund 409 which is the impact V fund it will
be funded with C sewer uh Wastewater Capital recovery charges with this um with this interlocal agreement the CRA agrees to fund the project as far as the roadway and the uh the Bridge the city will be
funding the uh lift station project as part of that and the CRA agrees that the city will manage the project that the city will go through its purchasing procedures it will handle all of the uh the the bids as you know with the next item is actually the award of the bid
for the project and then any other things that go along with the management of the project it's recommended that the city council adopt resolution number 456225 thank you Mr Cobb what is the pleasure of councel I'll make a motion to approve resolution number
456225 second we have a motion in a second any discussion council member bford no council member Brittain nope council member o uh no uh and we talked about this in the CRA meeting um I think this is uh yeah I think it's good like I
said I just wanted to have this um read in in this meeting okay mayor slik good okay then I will ask the clerk to call a call vote council member bford I council member Brittain hi mayor slik hi Deputy Mayor tuer hi council member a hi motion
carries we will move on to item number 7B resolution number 4563 d25 Ovito Connector Road bid award invitation to bid Mr C uh thank you Deputy Mayor this is a request for the city council to award invitation to bid 25-12 to
Southern Development and Construction Inc U that's commonly known as SDC in the amount of $ 5,774 620 for the construction of the Avo Connector Road Project as we mentioned before in the prior one there are three components of this project uh
it's the the Geneva Connector Road itself the lift station project and then the pedestrian bridge uh the this Pro this intent to bid 2512 was advertised on November the 3rd we received five SEAL sealed bids and uh SDC was the
lowest qualified bid at 5,7 74 620 uh will'll note that one of the biders did have a they withdrew their bid uh there was a mistake within the bid package that was submitted so they requested that their bid be withdrawn and so we the city did accommodate that
request uh but SDC was the uh was the low B low responsive bidder the um as we mentioned before the project will be funded through the CRA the roadway project as well as the Bridge Project will be funded through the CRA the station 7 ex uh lift station 7 project
will be funded with capital recovery charges uh there is a budget amendment uh in uh that is provided in exhibit three of the resolution and what this does is the funding for the project is setting in the the uh Reserve fund part of the the Wastewater the Wastewater
Capital Recovery Fund and so we're going to move that from that from that Reserve to the construction line item and so that's what the the budget amendment does and so recommended that the city council adopt resolution number 4563 d25
thank you Mr cob what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 4563 d25 I'll second we have a motion in a second is there any discussion council member bford no we talked about this in the CRA just a little while ago council member Britain I'm good council member r
no mayor slik I'm glad you pulled this off uh because I did want to make sure that in the discussion even if it was still on the consent agenda we addressed that the the lowest bidder if you look at all the materials you see that there is a lowest bidder that is not the one we are choosing and that that bidder
withdrew the bid so we are in fact as Mr Cobb stated going with lowest bidder so I think that's an important thing to to point out in case anybody happened to read the the whole packet okay I will ask the clerk to do a roll call vote Council bford I council
member Britain I mayor slik I Deputy Mayor tuer hi council member a I all right the motion carries uh moving on we do not have anything under public hearing no first reading of ordinances so we're going to move on to resolution item number nine uh resolution number
4573 d25 Hazard mitigation grant program Mr Cobb any now if you'll put that map up that you did before that one please uh this is a request for Council to approve the submittal of a grant a hazard mitigation Grant agreement grant
program uh for Watershed for a watershed planning Grant uh to the Florida Department of environment of Emergency Management uh this is an opportunity to for the city to procure a $300,000 Grant there is a
25% local match which is $75,000 uh the grant itself the state part of it is $300,000 and the city's local match would be the 75 uh I'm going to turn it over to Mr urain and he'll explain uh the different aspects of the
GR and what the city would be is uh going what the city will be submitting for thank you Mr Cobb good evening everyone so this is an opportunity for the city to request funding to do what we call a watershed management plan
which is very similar to a basin study um the little Leon Basin is within the city is about 3 and a half miles 3 half square miles and all of alif woods resides within the lon basin
um the watershed management plan would be a process of doing a data inventory data collection doing a gap analysis seeing what data is missing then it would be collecting that data reviewing existing regulations developments Etc and then it would be to perform an
existing conditions analysis for the 10 1500 and 500e storms as well as a level of service analysis so with that we would identify where there's flooding where there's gaps in our level of Serv Serv and it would also have an opportunity to come up with conceptual
Solutions and a plan to remedy those so improve flooding as well as improving the level of service and the last part of it is we would also like to do some water quality analysis within the Basin itself um so all of that would be part
of that Grant um we would look to use one of our in-house Consultants to perform the work one of the things about the little e Comas and specifically the Al Wood it's it's a pretty old subdivision a lot of it was built in the 80s most of that
infrastructure is either at or exceeds the designed service life so it's in you know in really in need of evaluation and also in Hurricane Ian you know that Basin sustained the most physical damage to City infrastructure so it's a pretty
pretty important Basin so the way the grant would work it would be as Mr Cobb said through the hazard mitigation grant program um we hopefully would qualify to receive $300,000 and the city would would spend 75 so we'd have $375,000 to
complete that that Watership plant so would the part that we pay that 75,000 come from what we allocated in our utility fees to pay towards Bas studies yes so we're basically getting a grant to pay for what we're already going to do yes okay I understand any Y
and and the one last thing I wanted to point out too one of the reasons why we looked at this is is is there's a couple of reasons one is McKinnon so McKinnon is a subbasin within this wed so we have done some some data collection there the
other thing is seol County did a a broader Basin study of the little Eon River Basin so we'll be able to use that data to help reduce some of our costs okay how long does this study take to do about two years two
years why like what what is it they're doing that now I'm I'm super curious it would take no longer than two years but basically what what well again thinking of the process the very first thing you have to do is you
have to you have to investigate what data you have so you do a pretty sophisticated data data analysis and then wherever your gaps are you have to collect that data so that may require some survey or some additional work to go out in the field to collect it then you have to put together a detailed
model so you're going to do a hydrologic hydraulic model which will take some time 3 and2 square miles is a pretty big big Basin so it takes time to do all that if I remember correctly it was about 8 months just to do where we fix the bridge from McKinnon so I can
imagine doing the whole Basin takes a really long time so this is going to cover three and a half square miles of Ovito then correct and there's only 16 square miles total so hypothetically if we are successful at this and we figure out how to do it effectively we could
you know beop around and again the idea is that we would try to do at least a basin study every year or so um you know some of the other basins we have to split into multiple pieces but yeah
that's the idea is we we kind of get it with this one and do the rest of the city so a basin the Basin study is different from the Water Management plan though correct I mean and some ways yeah they're very similar and I I don't I
apologize I'm I'm flipping terms on you but it's this is a w plan but for all intents and purposes it's a basin study okay so it is the same thing it is okay the the the semantics I I I know I had asked about that and it sounded like it was slightly different yeah perhaps I apologize for the confusion okay so it
is the thing that we were going to do anyway fabulous okay Paul I know it's a small area but will it address any issues with maybe groundwater uh [Music] problems it would be it would be looked at as part of that analysis
okay and I know it doesn't include Twin Rivers but you know what I'm getting I understand what you're getting at okay anybody else okay thank you you're welcome Deputy Mayor this is a request to apply for the grant and we'd recommend that
you adopt resolution number 4573 d25 thank you Mr C cop thank you Mr G all right what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 4573 d25 I'll second we have a motion in a second is there any discussion council member
bford no I mean obviously we can go after and get this grant I mean it will be uh definitely very helpful and doing a study in the Watershed through that one of our older neighborhoods in uh in town I think it's a good good plan council member Britain uh I'm good too um there are some issues going on in
Twin Rivers with uh what we think may be a groundwater problem Water Rising up through houses so uh this may offer some some information that answers those questions council member Rock nothing for me mayor slik I'm good um and I will
say I'm really excited to get these Basin studies kicked off we've been talking about them over a year now so they're smiling back there because they know it's true um but where these really started with me was the McKinnon Basin so you know we are just now under construction and if you go over there
which I do a lot cuz I live over there um it is full-blown into construction getting that bridge back in hardening that whole system back there so getting the data to as a starting point make sense to do it in this area and then I am excited to start going into places like Twin Rivers and getting all the way
around the whole city in the next 10 years or so so with that we have a motion in a second um I will ask the clerk to do a roll call vote council member bford I council member Brittain I mayor slik hi Deputy Mayor tuer I council member a i the motion carries so
moving on to item number 10 which is resolution number 4574 d25 this is the Altamont Global Innovation lab memorandum of understanding Mr Cobb uh thank you deputy mayor uh this is a request for city council to approve a
local government memorandum of understanding between the city of Altimont Springs and the City of avito uh so that avito can be a partner in the Altimont Global Innovation lab uh tonight I have a treat for you uh a good friend of mine Mr Frank Marts who is the city manager for the city of Altimont
spring is here with us tonight and he's going to provide you the presentation uh about the uh about the global Innovation lab and I hope that you will be as excited about it as I am uh so I'll turn it over to Mr Mars and let him present it thank
you I love that you just called him a treat it is a treat to have you here you're a treat too so my name is Miss Frank Marts I'm the city manager for the city of alont Springs it's good to see many of you again and and Brian uh and I are
longtime colleagues and friends and uh and I appreciate his councel um uh as many of you know part of what the city of alont Springs has done over the last 30 years has focused on Innovation uh projects that would either
save money save time or uh create some sustainability for our city and we have done quite a few of them uh many Environmental uh uh in Innovations uh our sewer treatment plant is uh is very large we serve all the way down to the
north side of Orlando and we've been leveraging that and uh Le leveraging that plant and we have been looking for ways to create efficiencies among our staff and part of the vision behind creating the Innovation lab and um and
the discussions that Mr cob and I have had is the ability for all of us to stand together I think you I watched your CRA discussion uh costs are going up so if there's a way for us to procurement procure together uh evaluate ideas together uh simol county is a
relatively small place and uh we're all connected our success is connected um so so sitting at the same T table listening to proposals and asking for uh um economies of scale types of discounts in
a rising hyperinflationary place made a lot of sense to us so I've been talking to uh the managers for a number of months the Mayors as as part of the mayor and managers and we are there we uh have opened it we have began we had our first tech sharing one of your staff
came and and looked at one of the inovation projects we put together um uh we hosted in a group from London yesterday and um or I'm sorry not yesterday this past Thursday and they may uh occupy our lab as their first place in the United States
uh they're also in part of the presentation I don't have a thing oh do I just go change gotcha okay change so um we've done a lot of Workforce and stem education and much much of the Innovation stuff that we're doing things
that we will continue doing H are built around making simal County students as competitive as possible but also creating places for um for our staff members to get together and colearn um you may or may not be aware of the sign alamon spring science
incubator we built that about 12 years ago with Duke Energy and Advent Health we've had 35,000 middle and high school students go through that we've given away about 21 College scholarships to students who are in our community um and who we hope will come back to simal
County and invest their intellectual Capital um we built a project uh called project H2O Tech watertech Mr Cobb was part of that collaboration it was at a this was a program that was was built at a time when sewer treatment plant
operators across the country were in short supply we all needed them and we built a program with the state of Florida that had it was for high school credit uh for kids to get their sewer treatment plant uh license and the kids who went through that had a higher pass rate than the adults nationally so we're
very proud of that um we have some internship programs in OJT and some virtual inspections things that we have been doing for quite a long time which uh we believe can co- collaborate on as well this is a Workforce Development
autonomous vehicle and sensor equip U uh project that we're working on with seol State College these are just some of the things that we intend to teach kids in seol County about and that we can collaborate on photonics the ability to use lasers and and radio frequency devices to do measurements that don't
require any of us to go out and spend human capital on is a great opportunity for collaboration um this is an additional uh idea that that we've we've recently uh Inked we made a deal with the with Career Source Central Florida to take on
some of their interns but the two other uh parts of this agreement are the most notable um the second the city career accelerator is a uh project that we had proposed to Career Source to help uh take in people who are transitioning
from a a job that may not be in local government but into a job that is maybe an office job Administrative Assistant job and they don't have any experience Career Source will pay them to come sit with us and have a shadow with one of
our staff so for six months somebody who wants to be an uh administrative assistant and transitioning from one job and wants to compete for a job like that will sit with one of our administrative staff and there are tons of benefits to that it's a way for us to teach people
who are nonsupervisory how to supervise they will have to write an evaluation which will help them grow in their position which only serves to improve our Workforce and at the same time we'll be turning out people into the economy to upgrade their their living conditions
upgrade their their income and we will keep doing that giving all of our folks at the city of alont Springs the opportunity to have the experience of having to supervise somebody write their evaluation and we believe that we'll grow some of our future managers out of
that pool this type of contract will be something that we would share through all of the local governments that that join the lab because the more we do to keep um seminal County Strong economically through Workforce Development training and stem training
the better off we will all be we're we are the stewards just for this brief time I'm going to Breeze through these so I'm going to kind of Nod at you quickly but this is a project while a first that replaced the need for uh Retention Ponds on I4 we take the water off the interstate we clean it to
reclaim water uh standards and we create 1.6 billion gallons of alternative water supply a year this project was brought to us by the state of Florida we are a state R&D site for environmental and transportation issues um pure ala is a
project that cleans reclaim water to drinking water standards without reverse osmosis and without the byproduct of rever Osmosis it uses activated Char charcoal ozonation and UV radiation it break the UV breaks down non uh organic
compound Pharmaceuticals um and the water is consistent with Florida drinking water standards this project won is the only one that's kind in the world and it we won an international award for it in Tokyo Japan so when we all start to look for what do we do with our water there's a solution in seminol
County waiting for us um very excited about this project you all may have heard of PES um aeom and Jenny fuel collaborated on a Uh u a mechanism that would hyper pressurize organic carbons and break
them down and turn them into biofuel in about 30 minutes it takes nature about a million years to accommodate that we just got another department of energy grant for this upcoming quarter to see if we can eliminate P foses from water
using this process forever chemicals which is another way of saying it um I think Lake Mary built a $30 million plant um we're going to try to come up with a different solution that is both mobile and much
cheaper thank you we founded an electric utility a number of years ago called the Alon electric utility uh what you see there is one of only three floating solar rays in the United States that creates one megawatt of electricity it doesn't require any land acquisition it is on top of a retention Pond the
University of California Davis has flown over a few times to evaluate the macrobiotics and fauna there's no impact to the water body no impact to the way that the storm Water Works we plug this into our plant and um on a sunny day about 50% of our
plant is powered through um the floto voltaic panels it was the basis for House Bill 1411 which is now law in the State of Florida which allows public and private Partnerships to create these types of opportunities um we're doing a lot with
AI because like you not only is the cost of material going up but so is the cost of the people who who who run the cities every day so we constantly look for ways to do things more efficiently more effectively more productively growing our staff at the same time we the first
city in the United States to do AI powered site plane review um we just this I will tell you thank you to Brian Mr Cobb um um for allowing the ovido staff to join we did our first tech sharing at the global Innovation lab one
of our employees built an AI chat box box called Herman resources and uh as as you know anytime an employee has a question of what's in the Personnel manual or what does something mean and they call or send an
email someone has to stop working on whatever they were doing and answer that phone call so um our deputy director of Human Resources built Herman and Herman is available 24/7 in any language that you might want to ask and it will you
can ask a question to our Personnel manual and it will give you the answer and we believe that's going to save about uh 67 FTE or about $40,000 a year simply in removing the friction to get a get an answer that you should be able to
find pretty easily um we had a tech sharing at at agile which is what we're calling the lab and I believe the deputy director of Human Resources attended and uh who's by the way works for us which
is awesome um and our team had laptops everywhere and taught everyone in that room how to do the same thing that she just built and uh the human resource director at the uh airport has already deployed it so uh part of what agile is
to do is to share all the things that that that we're we've learned and it's it's a place where Ovito and Ovito staff can share the things they've learned and we can co- collaborate on ideas things we just haven't thought thought of um we're building several digital twins I don't know if everybody knows what a
digital twin is but we are building several of them um and and our platform is called replica um interestingly uh etm uh wanted to be part of our lab so badly that they built this for free for us um
it is a national uh prototype and we're going to use it um um to find ways to have our physical environment function itself without any human interaction so this this is kind
of a neat thing I this this has this is only interesting to me maybe but um uh who's heard of ezri heard of ezri the N it's the international standard for geospatial programming GIS Arc info
mapping stuff it is it's the platform globally that most people use ezri has been using is a beta testing site for highresolution mesh photography and this a a progression of pictures taken from a
drone that represents several hundred, images that are that are Tri access match together why is that important because each one of those pieces each one of those pixels we will attach development order site plans plats
permits um code enforcement so that when we are doing anything related to Pro uh properties in Altamont Springs when we click on a property we'll find every single document that relates to it and it's pretty cool um take a look
at the two pictures one of them is a photograph and the other one is a digital mesh photograph the one on the the left is one is a 3D model you can see how much clearer a computer generated image of
The Hardscape is versus a picture um we have a three-year program where we're going to do Mobility digital twins venue management infrastructure and Public Safety an example of the infrastructure projects is that we're going to have a computer determine when to order and replace street lights and
all of the dispatching will be done automatically then over time the Gen system will learn how long do these light bulbs usually last and when the light bulb gets to about 90 92% of its functional lifespan it will order
another just in time piece of inventory which means we won't have to put it in a warehouse we will not have to have somebody tracking it and it will dispatch a person to come out our contractor to come out and change the light bulb we currently have somebody who does that um those types of
generative AI opportunities will will be very useful because we'll take that full-time uh equivalent unit and we'll put them on something else because no nobody ever wants Less in government they everybody wants to pay less but get the same or
more so we have to find ways to replace some of the things that are costing us money um without without eliminating the productivity that we're gaining this is an example of one of the things that we would hope to share with
uh your crew from Ido this is an uh a virtual reality look at one of our roadways so knowing where things are on as builts or great but when you're standing out in the roadway and you can put a helmet on and see where your visualize where your pipes are uh
eliminates I think it will advance some of the planning but it will eliminate some of the mistakes I think we all um we all go through from time to time um there are some Transit things and I'll just pass through we we've done some really pretty excellent things one of the things that we did we were the first city in in the world to partner with
Uber and we partner with five different cities and moved 186,000 people for $330,000 it was the first time that Uber had ever been used as a mass transportation alternative uh you can't buy a bus you can't buy a third of a bus for
$330,000 but we moved 186,000 people which are probably more people that are being move than are being moved in seminol County right now um we were just written up the Lincoln Institute of land policy is one of the 20 uh uh Innovations uh that's changing the urban
landscape which is pretty cool um we are also going to be sharing some technology related related to in discussions relating to Advanced Air Mobility while that seems Pie in the Sky um I don't know about well I do know about some of you but there are others of you who
never drove a stick shift car and uh the world is changing and this is going to be part of the future for our our children our grandchildren and we would like uh simol County to be ready for it uh we're being uh approached by Advanced Air Mobility firms right now pretty
aggressively because we're so close to to to public rights away so are you on the 417 um so we'd like to be ready and we don't want that technology to pass Us by here in seol County um this is the this uh company calls away one network these
are just some of the examples of things we've done um this is the London based company that may move and and uh and land in altmont Springs we're all going to tear up seminal County over the next 10 years with the fourth generation sales tax we're going to spend our time and hopefully veto and with ovo's
partnership and other cities partnership teaching our County how to do Journey planning and using the technology and that's in their hand about how you get around what this what this software does is you can pick up your phone our workers can stand in the roadway and close a roadway on Google Maps there's
an API that's live close a roadway and have it appear in your phone and in your connected vehicle if your if your GIS system is connected and it will map you around the closures because we all get in our car we all think we're know where we're going we plug in addresses we
listen to uh to what it's telling us to do but we don't know none of us know what's happening in Ovito in Alton if we need to come over here and you don't know what's happening in Alton if you have to go over there this type of software will allow all of
us to enter um enter roadway closures in in advance sit down and you just pile them through an Excel spreadsheet and load them they become active on the effective dates and that we think are going to it will help seal County residents navigate through lots of road
closures lots of additional Lanes lots of additional sidewalk work um as I as I mentioned to you the dot uses us as a R&D site uh on the leftand side is a complete streets project we just completed on State Road 436 we have
we have 95 million cars going through alamont Springs every year so finding ways to to reduce the amount of friction in increase the the throughput is really vital to not just ourselves but the state um the image on the right hand side or seven intersections the state
has fully funded R&D work safety work and and what we call reducing friction work um at these intersections Ido and anybody else who's a partner in the lab will be sitting down and as we're going through the engineering steps on these intersections
and if there's one of if there's an improvement that can work in Ido you know Bobby or whomever can pick that up plop it down and propose it in ovido and then all of us can go back to the state and Champion additional funding instead of constantly working all of us
Chasing the same dollars at the same time from the same pots for the same types of projects um I think you know uh we built an autonomous vehicle project it is the only one of this County United States um it is it's got three phases and we'll
connect U the seminal Willa Trail and SunRail together but what it will really do is it will create a parallel Corridor along 436 to connect our Economic Development uh throughways we are we are acquiring more vehicles and there are
times I'm sure that Ovito has moments where you wish you had cheaper Transportation back and forth through the lab we can share those types of vehicle opportunities um you can just click through those those are just Maps I'm giving Dave Axel a whole bunch of like
free Economic Development stuff right now um this is a this is an example of how we've accommodated this additional Transit inside the existing right away without doing any additional condemnation that's the that's a a picture of our vehicle next please this
is my favorite one this is a guy named Lloyd saw me on TV and wanted to know what this whole autonomous vehicle thing was about he asked his activity director if they could take a group trip over to alamon Springs to ride it he he's 99 years old he said I don't think I I
didn't think I'd ever see anything like this in my entire life he takes a ride and gets off and screams I have arrived and U we're but what it is is it for us is emblematic of the fact that this is a way to get people back engaged in our
economy can keep them uh keep people especially who who like Lloyd um you know 99 years old he's still curious about the world so good for him um this is very exciting I'll share this
with you there is a German company called Holan which is build which has built a one-of-a-kind uh shuttle this is a picture of it the governor has championed a new plant in Jacksonville to build that first time in the United States we will be one of the first
places that it's deployed in North America and why that is really valuable is that uh none of us can afford to to um not have multiple ways for people to get around and this is another example
of the things types of things that we're going to be able to work on together here are a few of our partners you may may notice some of them um everyone on this screen are people who are committed to to come in and not only help us all
work through Innovation projects some of these are Innovation companies themselves but they're all committed to um help make seal County students much more aware of what Innovation really is and how to adopt it
and how to adapt to it and we're very proud uh of of I think our Collective ability through relationships we have with the managers to extend that learning not only to the students but some of our
staff and that is the end of our my little presentation uh I have given memorandums of understanding to all of the seminal County governments and like like with you they're all moving at different different speeds but all of
them are moving forward um we're very excited about taking this collaboration to National and international sponsors and bringing um a lot of intellectual Equity into seminal County and uh if you
have any questions happy to answer them but thanks for time and I appreciate uh Mr Cobb's partnership we have been uh close colleagues for 30 years and and um it's good to be able to do things that are going to help those who are coming
behind us maintain our communities thank you does anybody have any questions why we have them up here so how many other cities have uh you've talked to probably pretty much everybody right well pretty much everybody I talk to everybody yeah okay um uh everybody
is moving forward Brian asked me to come tonight so I came tonight but everybody's moving forward I'll move to Orange County cities after we uh get Ys or Nays from our seminal County uh hopeful
Partners so everybody said yes and everybody's on board everybody's moving forward everybody's told me yes but I'm listen it's not it's not I want to I want to be clear it is not a request it's it's a partnership offer just do what you want to do
um and and I think what all of the managers myself included we read these things we think about what they're going to mean to our our community to our Workforce to our resources and they make the the best decision for themselves I saw you had a NASA logo up
there who's your NASA partner Crystal Johnson where where is she is she had ay she's the number two at Goddard at Gard okay very good BL you'd like to join too no so she they're more Innovative than I am so so she is she is in charge of
technology and research for GD okay so it is a the NASA as you know is a quite a big bureaucracy and so they have lawyers reviewing the lawyers work but um she is very committed to to what we're trying to do together okay for
those who don't know Goddard is a NASA Center outside of Baltimore they do a lot of uh satellite work a lot of uh Leading Edge uh research so that's that's a good part of and she's in charge of the art large part of the aremis program
okay any questions on here so we look forward to uh to being Partners continuing to collaborate with you guys so thank you for being interested and Mr cob thank you very much uh Deputy Mayor the only thing I have to say is that we recommend that
you adopt resolution number 4574 d25 thank you Mr cob what is the pleasure of council I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 4574 d25 second we have a motion in a second is there any discussion council member bford it's
very very fascinating I mean so I like the idea that we can all collaborate together and kind of come up where you're talking about street lights and you know and having the ability to understand when the street light's going to go out and not have a inventory of stuff and then knowing that's that's really kind of interesting again how you
touching the AI so no I definitely like it and I like the idea of partnering uh with uh with ultim on this council member Britain uh I agree I've been watching Frank and Altamont for many years do some of this stuff and it's pretty impressive what you guys pull off
over there so maybe you can pull us into the future a little bit right council member R yeah I guess I have one question what what is it that you want from us so I'm looking at the the packet here and it's it's uh $3,000 a year to
help pay for the website but it's to make us partners with with them so right to show up what does Partners mean right what it means is show up and participate which Mr cob and his his gang will and and share great ideas they have um um
listen to great ideas from other local governments and to literally collaborate but you have to be present to do it so this is a pretty light lift you know the website and then we're going to put a portal through to the city of ovo's websites but we're what we're going to
try to do is Chase grants and Chase things that can improve seminal County residents lives and businesses lives and the only thing that that that it's not it's not a request again it is the opportunity to be in those rooms and
that's that's really it so it would be um staff time spent meeting with people from your team and collaborating on primarily grants is that no it is is all of us sometimes there will be Innovation Partners who come in and we go wow this
could really work for everybody and we'll call everybody together and rather than sitting there as 47,000 people we set there as 470,000 people yeah this looks like a a high-tech version of what what CNO is which is just a collaboration it's a cross-pollination
of ideas and then every now and then something pops out that we can all use and and take advantage of yeah does that help clarify um well so compared to k i mean would you be looking for a a council member to be
part of a board or I said like k no no no these so so no actually Mr Mr I the mou it it identifies three three individuals uh in it uh as far as the Partnerships myself Mr Kelly and Mr
kushai yeah so we would be the leads and then when let's say a topic comes up and it's something in public works then one of us will be reaching out to the folks in public works and say hey there's a there's a global Innovation lab meeting coming up is going to be talking about this this this type of thing that's
interested in your your field we want you to go to this meeting if it's something that's technology related obviously we're going to S Mr kushai you know uh if it's something that's going to be more on the management side that that Mr Mars and I would be involved in you know then he he I know he'll call me and say hey you need to be at this one
so it's things like that and then it's even with Mr Kelly too there's things that coming in on that things are he he's working on uh you know that will be the primary three but it's going to be up to us to then reach out and start bringing in the other on one of the things I know the mayor and I have been
looking at is the AI site plan review and she and I have been talking about this ever since they started and I I kept telling her what let them work out all the bugs and when they got all the bugs worked out then we could we could do it of course something happened with the company but I feel like they're coming back now so as soon as we can you
know they worked out the bugs so that then we can take advantage of it and that's going to be a lot of this stuff is that things coming through this lab is going to give us the opportunity to take advantage of the things that they're talking about and that's that's what's exciting to me is it's going to bring new things to us and what was the
accuracy were you to 92% accuracy on the first round with AI plan uh on the on the third pass through 92% accuracy yeah that's learning it's it took our site plan review from three weeks to about
about 30 seconds and we could turn things around in a week spectacular more questions no you have any questions uh I just want to say thank you for coming out here Mr Marts uh I've been to the lab just for my
colleagues to to know uh it's a really interesting space and our staff has already we've actually had people go there and you I like I like how you put it you just bring your best ideas whatever your cool idea is if you're really good at it and you're willing to teach other people there's other people
who are really good at something else willing to teach you and that's the idea so we all have to figure out how to how to do as much as we can with the people we have and the more you engage their enthusiastic curiosity more they're willing to learn um so we're really
really thrilled about the opportunity to collaborate between our staff members and I want to say thank you so uh I already got the Spiel at at CNO last week so and I think we got a little more in depth so I asked a lot of question questions there but well Patrick told me to shorten it up no I
mean it was really good both times so um I wanted to thank you out uh thank you for coming out here and I think something you said too that also like and you mentioned it a little bit but working together to bid as a bunch of cities versus one holds a lot more weight so we can I mean for $33,000 it's
a little laughable for what we've already gotten out of this and haven't even used I think the thing to keep in mind and and those of you who are not familiar with this I I will tell you the difficulty with grants now is that you can't run things on grants and you very
rarely can outp paace inflation with grants but you have to check a lot of boxes and because this has the seol County public school system is a partner seol State College is a partner UCF as a partner when you start checking those boxes off with education education at
college level postgraduate level um uh high school and middle school and into Elementary School you start checking up those boxes you start to score better and when you score better it comes down to the number and those numbers lead to
Grants so so that doesn't mean we're going to be successful it's just going to mean that we're better positioned than most places where you have Seven Cities a County uh uh a school board a community college and an airport and we're going to tie them all together yep
no thank you anybody else okay we have a motion in second second on the table I'll ask the clerk to call a vote council member bford hi council member Brittain hi mayor slik hi council member I'm sorry Deputy Mayor tuer I council member a i the motion carries thank you
thank you thank you thank you for coming Frank good to see you all right we are going to move on to item number 11 which is a discussion item uh let's see possible acquisition of approximately 4.13 acres for the Lloyd Lane Extension Mr cob would you
provide a brief introduction uh yes thank you deputy mayor uh Annie if you could just pull that up this is the property that we're talking about uh it is uh it's located on the north side of East Franklin Street uh it also is
located on it it connects to the uh south side of uh the Lloyd Lane rideway we could go to the next one Annie uh this is part of our Mobility plan if you'll notice that uh it's project 100 if you it's right up there it's a light
blue line uh that uh this is the roads plan from our Mobility plan the connection of Lloyd Lane their extension of Lloyd Lane South to uh to Franklin Street is part of that is part of our plan uh it will once it's sort of like a
missing link right now and that it will provide a north south th flare uh from County Road 419 all the way up to Florida Avenue and if you could go to the next one the mobility plant also includes it in the in the multimodal plan uh this is because it looks at this
roadway as being a complete Street uh providing but not only just vehicular but also pedestrian facilities uh one of the things that the kid the children in this area that go to Jackson Heights have to walk to this area have to walk they there's no bus to the school and so
a number of the children either walk or ride their bikes I know when my children when I lived in the area my children rode their bike they had to uh go all the way down to uh had two is they could either go all the way down on Geneva drive down to Franklin Street and then catch the uh Crossing gard and take
Frankin Street to the school or they could go down to re and come down and and do the same what this will do is give you a direct link from like from Lake charm drive down to East Franklin Street which could cut the trip shorter and if you get her the next one uh
intersections it's part of the intersections plan it just shows up it just shows us the missing link up there it's a little Gray Line uh up there in the area and if you can get to the next one uh this is sort of a concept plan you can see tract a is what we're talking about here uh it does it's a
40ft rway that extends down from uh from the Terminus of Lloyd Lane and the idea is to uh align with the intersection of uh Tinsley way uh this so the roadway is composed of both Upland and Wetland
there approximately 2.43 Acres of wetland it's about 1.7 Acres of uh Upland area uh Council one of the things I want to tell you is that the reason I wanted to bring this to you on a discussion on is there's no obligation on this this is one of those items where
we have an opportunity to purchase this property the price is about 4 $400,000 uh the it's one of those where uh the example that I use is County Road 419 uh the project development environmental
report for County Road 419 was done back in the U late 90 early 2000s and it said that we needed 120 ft rideway for 426 419 and the county started purchasing rideway uh along the corridor and if you
remember phase two phase two took quite a long time and a large part of that was because the rideway acquisition had not been completed uh we have phase three coming up uh and with phase three the county with with I would think with the exception of just a few spots the county has already procured the 120 ft rway so
it's going to be much easier for us to build phase three of County Road 419 this is sort of in that same light uh purchasing the rideway now uh instead of waiting till uh you know 20 2030 2040 um when the plan actually looks at the
Redway being built so that that's what um that's the thing that we're looking at as far as this this project it is a um the project is since it is part of our Mobility plan it is we can use Mobility fees uh to pay for it it is
also on our sales tax list and so it can sales tax from use for it uh what we would do what we're recommending that we do is that we would use fund balance to front the money and then as the um Mobility fees as sales tax fees come in
uh then we can uh reimburse ourselves uh reimburse the general fund uh obviously one of the things I always tell everyone is that with the uh sales tax obviously our first priority is our street resurfacing program second priority is our sidewalk repl program and then when
monies are left over then we can apply to other projects uh but there is no we do we did provide you with a draft uh purchase and sale contract actually a vacant land contract there for the property for the purchase if you are interested in moving
forward then we will bring the contract to you at the next meeting for you to accept it and then we would start the 60-day uh due diligence period U so but like I said said there is no obligation at this time we just wanted to bring this to you to see if you to gauge your
interest in this opportunity for us to purchase this property ahead of time before we actually needed it uh I'll give you one other example I actually was going to use this for the track D which is the next item but um the way the story was explained to me when I
first came here was that when the city was first approached about Al utilities buying the sewer plant the price was about $2 million in 2010 when we we did buy the buy the utility plan the sewer plan plant it was $36 million and so that was
one time that the city council City said no and for to the $2 million purchase didn't we offer to get it for free before that there may have been I I just heard about the only story that I had been told was the one that were was it was 2 million so that's the same thing
here if we wait there's a possibility that the price will go up uh one of the things about with the vacant land contract and the 60 days due diligence is that we will we will be able to hone in on the price if it is to make sure that the 400,000 is the right price so
that's really it Council I just wanted to gauge your interest in this type of opportunity if you're not interested in the opportunity there's no harm there's no no loss uh if you want us to move forward then we will uh bring the uh bring the vacant land contract to you uh
on March 3rd okay thank you Mr C what is the pleasure of council and this is open discussion so no I'm I'm very fascinated by this both this on one and the next one um I
know we had this you know we sold the concrete recycling land which we were limited on what we could do on that um I think that was 900,000 this is somewhere what this would be 1.2 million if you did this one and
the next agenda item and actually useful land U that we could use I mean you could have the connect Road and then the next item talks about that parcel land that you know we could possibly at some point get a third fire station on there which I Know Chief has talked about for
you know the ISO ratings so I'm I'm definitely uh intrigued by this Council Britain um yeah you know we we we can't stop looking to the future if we don't want to do this uh uh we might as well just take it off the Mobility plan this
is this is part of what we we've been working on uh I do have a question maybe Kelly do we have enough Reserve in the in the general fund to fund this and still maintain our our required Reserve levels um yes so right now um we haven't
completed our audit from last year but the preliminary number for our unassigned fund balance as of the end of fiscal year 23 24 would be about 19 6 million um if you take the higher our policy is 15% we tend to go by the gfy
best practices which is at 16.67 that number is about 7 million so so we got a $10 million you got like 12.7 million to work okay all right so I think this is an easy decision uh for both this one and the next one Mr bford
referred to so uh this is looking into the future just over the horizon we'll probably none of us will be here when it this happens but uh we need to set the set the ground rules well it takes a long time um the water plant that b
Brian referred to what was it 20 years Brian before we actually purchased it as far as the sewer sewer system yeah uh I think it was about that yes yeah over 20 years it was before it was before I came to the city yeah uh we know how long we've been waiting on the 4 419 426 to
be built and 434 is what another 20 years out at least uh it could be yes yeah so you know this is just looking towards the future mayor slik I've got a lot of concerns about spending money that is probably supposed
to be in reserves for an actual emergency on something like this um and you look at the land you think well it's cheap now maybe we should acquire land now I'm not certain that firefighting and paramedic activity will look the
same in in 10 15 years as it does now and I'm not sure that we will need to have a whole tract of land to put a fire station on um that's the next item though yeah but but then you like it kind of Blends into the mobility like it
all kind of goes together and one of the questions I had asked uh staff uh earlier was does it all go together like can we get one and not the other and it was all kind of nebulous um my kids ride their bikes Rod
their bikes to school through here and though it would be interesting and neat to build a road that can carry a firet Tru or any vehicle through a wetland um adding I can't remember how many acres it is it's like one and a half two acres
or something of impervious surface through this area I'm not sure what the ultimate cost would be but but it's going to be a whole lot more than $400,000 so I I'm very hesitant without a true need to
know why we' be doing this I'm hesitant that's all okay ccil member yeah um that was my question what would be the total cost of this project just in ballpark figures if we were to build that connecting Road
[Music] sorry I'm my waiting for my computer to pull it it's all right no it's no problem that was one thing that I can
give you what the Mobility plan looks at as for you know when we were when we were op so this will be planning level number uh the Mobility plan looks at the roadway see
here 1.7 Acres right the the Mobility plan looks at around it's a little bit under a million dollars to build a roadway is what what's in the Mobility plan does it does the Mobility plan know that it's going through wetlands and we got to mitigate um I'm not sure it
really got down to that detail mayor to be honest that would be something that how how long is that road and you're GNA have to build some kind of bridge it looks like is that this is where the last trash pickup was so it come out right where the last
trash pickup was on on Franklin Street so it's it's like through there may be there may be some wedland impact I mean we we would we would know more you know as we got into design as far as what the Wetland impact would be you know so it might might have to go up on stilts might not we don't
you know just until you get into design you're not going to know well I mean I'm looking at the other thing that we just did you know 7 70 ft ends up being over $5 million right and this one's somehow going to be 1 million and we're going to go through Wetlands through Wetlands
there a possible Wetland impact yes but that's that's what you know the planning level was was around a million dollars am I missing something fundamental about the difference between here and there I mean I think I mean between as far as
that like I said this was more of a I think it's probably a shorter road but the other thing is is that um there's probably not much different to be honest no it's knowable let's find out right right now how long we think this road will be or from the can we tell from the
conceptual plan the length or maybe Mr Axel knows it's it's tough to tell but uh I mean it would have to curve around a little bit to a little bit especially if we tried to uh link it to Tinsley I mean that's really the goal is to see if we can link it to Tinsley there's
measurements on the drawing but they're way too small to read so it's on there they can they can figure that out I mean it feels like you know you're talking about uh kids riding their bikes to to middle school there and this would connect that whole lake me Lake charm
area yes with a more direct route um do we know how many students were talking about that affects in any given time roughly uh hardly any I live there I live at that corner and I watch no kids but mine bike to school I totally disagree with that okay I mean they all
bite by the wedding Barn all the time okay there's a huge amount of kids who go down that road well if they're coming if they're coming I get the other side of the street get the other side of the street yeah so maybe they're just not coming past yeah but they do go down Franklin Street all the time maybe they go down division by the crossing guard or
something but if they're already on Franklin Street then they're already connected to Tinsley right so so this wouldn't help them at all so this would only help people coming past my house on the term what what it would do is that is is that the children who would be coming in
through as the mayor said through Lake charm Drive they would not have to go all the way down take the curve and go down to Franklin Street on 426 they wouldn't have to go out to read read right and then down to get to the school
they would be have a straight shot down to Franklin then they could head down Franklin to Stevens and then to the middle school so it would it would shorten their trip is what it would do the trip is 1.7 miles at the current link yeah for whatever that's worth the the table only shows acreage I'm sorry
it doesn't show any distances and you said there's no something about no bus service there's no bus service I mean certainly it must start somewhere right outside I think it's north of me it's at par Panther street so a lot of kids from Lake charm drive if they don't or you know near
where I live uh will walk from instead of walking to school or biking there at the it's not 1.8 that's the Ovito high it's 1. 2 miles to Jackson Height so instead of walking or biking 1.2 miles they instead walk 8 miles to catch the bus to drive in 2 miles because it's a
two mile radius M there's a lot of fascinating things going on with kids in transportation to school right um I do have some questions on this one can we zoom in on that bottom corner right there like the bottom left corner is that
possible not that one no track day at the bottom where it's got all the fun colors going on no take your time so I'm going to talk about it while you get there so I guess my I'm all about connectivity this is in our Mobility plan so we've talked about this it is part of our plan as far
as what we just discussed up here with concerns I mean we did approve our Mobility plan um as far as price I have a huge concern there so um what was this one 400,000 and you know it's it's really nice on paper when you say 1 acre
Drive 3 acres wet but if you zoom in on there what you'll see is where they have this proposed road is not a straight shot it curves around because it has retention in there that they also want to sell us for the next property that we're going to be looking at and then we have to completely move the road to go entirely through Wetlands so we're not
using the dry land there so that would mean that you're not selling us dry land you're selling us four acres of wetlands which is definitely not worth to me $400,000 I don't want to destroy the Wetland and I don't want to pay commercial price for white land cost so if we were going to move forward with
this which again I'm not against because it's in our Mobility plan and it does make sense as a road I would want to get a third party appraisal on it and for the project that we're doing um so I don't want it to just come back with us on yes or no approving this I want to
see okay what does a third party say this is worth and what would the whole project cost be including mitigation credits to go through this entire wetland in the corner there so yeah if you could scroll over to the the other side yeah cuz it we would have to
mitigate 1.7 Acres po potentially so right here we've got the concept plan so you can see it snakes down from the top of the screen on the left and it curves right and goes around that whole green track there that's Wetland so we already know it's what is it $450,000 per mitigation credit for the
lake Jessup Basin we just paid 100,000 half wasn't it a half million a whole half 450 for one one one credit so right just to build in this spot we are looking at a ton almost the price of the land and paying for a credit without doing
anything 765,000 at 450,000 okay so that's expensive and then pay for the land and then actually build it so to build in white land also cost a ton of money because we'd have to dig out all the muck put all that dirt back in and then
build over it so again practically I question this as far as cost and if we can actually do it um I don't have an issue with the project I have an issue with the with with the cost and what it would end up being at the end so um I I don't want to move forward to coming with this at the next meeting on yay or
nay until we get the information on what what this would preliminarily cost to get a mitigation credit to put the road in to do all of that and and make it make sense because I will not say yes without that but that's where I stand okay so those are things that we would
normally do during the due diligence you want that done before the due diligence um you would you would want that done before the due diligence because that's something that those are things that we would be looking at during the 60-day DU I mean I think you could look at this easily just pulling this off the map and
say we're going to need to mitigate this many credits just an estimate Plus or Min like 0 five a credit okay we know that's 225,000 right add in the price okay what's the road going for and what we need to do entail that are we ending up at 4 million like our Connector Road
that started at two or are we ending up at one and a half you know and then is it wor it from there so um maybe just come back as another discussion before we get there if that makes sense so I'm not asking us to go in and and stake Wetland flags and do all that which is due diligence right
okay mayor let me interject this as far as the value of the land we will be required to have an appraisal we will have no choice because of the value we will have to do an appraisal so we at least know what the current value of the land is so I mean if we could come back with preliminary prices or just like an
estimate of these things before we say yes or no to go into due diligence because once you go into due diligence we're spending money on whether or not we want to buy it I mean we're paying people to go out there and decide what it cost I would like a higher level view before we do
that I don't know if you guys agree or what not I agree with that yeah that's fair okay y the the question I have is like you said where does where did this price come from the 400,000 that's the sellers but what's that the sellers so
Mr Axel you if you would like to say something please state your name and address David Axel Axel real estate U 1757 West Broadway Street in Ovito and I'm here tonight I do represent the
owner of this property uh as presented by Mr Cobb this is an opportunity uh while this opportunity is being considered this property in essence with multiple buyers is being held off the market so it is a couple of
points that were raised the alignment of that road is what was shown when you had Concepts plan plans done for a public safety complex and it was the desire to align with with Adeline Tinsley way um
it isn't necessary to go through Wetlands there's Uplands there the location of the storm water pond was just an estimate of the conceptual plan based on that alignment so during
design at some future date you can put the road straight South if you don't like the cost you can put the road um in that alignment so the actual Wetland impact is not 2.43 Acres it's it's noted there I think I can't read the number
from where I'm standing it's rather nominal 0.1 0 .1 Acres so so it's not necessary to impact what lens to put in the road it is likely necessary to impact Wetlands to align the road with
Adeline Tinsley and it's just a matter of is that important or not important as to the pricing of the property I'm fully aware of the city's standard protocol to obtain an appraisal I would not establish a price I didn't think would
match an appraisal if for some reason the appraisal comes out lower it's just a matter of the parties deciding do we proceed or not proceed so I think it would be a mistake to do due diligence
now and defer this situation defer this decision you'll have 60 days after the March meeting certainly some answers can be obtained before that but I've got a buyer for track B now that has told me I'm tired of waiting I'll pay the price
for all this the city can deal with me later so be it if that's what you want to do um so if there's any more questions about this one um the concept plan was prepared at my Direction but only with the input of the prior City
plans from when this Total Property was considered uh so I just look at this as Mr Cobb had told me any number of times what the County's concerns were with school children traveling here what the city's concerns were I know it's in the plan uh this is an
opportunity without using condemnation Authority per se this is an opportunity being presented to the city if it wants it if it doesn't it doesn't but I think there's more than enough time during 60 days after March to make a final
decision and I think it's it's a worthy opportunity for consideration so unless anyone has any questions for me that's that's all I've got thank you thank you uh Mr Cobb I mean to be fair 60 days is a decent amount of time too um I would
like to see a concept plan where we're not going through Wetlands um is this something we can do before the next meeting or how do you want to go about this uh before M March 3rd it'd be very difficult I I do not I guess he just volunteered to do it
so that's easy okay there we go all good when you said do I misread this map here the am am I not reading the blue as being Wetlands as well the blue is is 100e which we would have to deal with
that as well so this is this is flood plane the green is the Wetland okay so you still need retention though for what road you're putting in right okay okay uh Legend on all good with that item Mr C uh I'm not really
sure what is your consensus bring us go forward and bring us something in the March meeting including and try to fill in the gaps there that we're looking for including a no Wetland impact Road concept concept if that's possible
okay good and and the estimates too correct the estimates of what it would cost to build a high level estimate yes yes a vague estimate can I ask one more question yes um Mr Axel mentioned the County's concerns about school children
what what does that mean are we talking about like from the school system or no no no I I think it's more about this the students walking on Geneva Drive but has the county approached us and said it's dangerous for kids to get from here to there they've received they've received
communication from residents they call me and I hook them up with the county because they want the school to provide transportation so kids don't have to walk along this area and they can't put a crosswalk right by the sooco because it's a blind corner and nobody will give
land to have a crosswalk anywhere else so there's no sidewalks CU there's no rideway to put a sidewalk to move anybody any other place there are not good sidewalks in that area on any of those routes so that's that's kind of fair okay so we're going to move on to
item number 12 which is the possible acquisition of approximately 2.85 acres for a future fire station so this is another tract of the concept plan we just saw Mr [Music] Cobb thank you Deputy Mayor and if you
could pull that that presentation up as well uh once again this is pretty much the same type of project uh this is a this is the subject property it's on the northeast part of the the larger property and this is
approximately 2.85 Acres uh of which the 2.5 2.85 Acres 2.10 acres is Upland property and there's about 75 Acres of wetland property excuse me the property is
commercial on the future landage map it's also C2 on the official zoning M and if you could go to the next slide uh once again it's track D is what we're talking about uh here and uh as I said before uh the idea behind this is
um is for the possible uh construction of a fire station at a later date uh there is a 1900 ft single family home on the property uh that could be used as a inum station much like what we did with
uh station station 48 out on the east side uh we operated out of a single white trailer uh for a number of years there and we built some little car ports to protect the uh the apparatus from the weather and but once again this is
another opportunity uh the asking price for this property is $800,000 and what the idea behind it is Annie if you could go to the next one this is just some pictures of the of the house that's on there uh and just just
go ahead and scroll through uh this is inside the house actually it's very nice house at least at least from what the pictures look like and um but if you could um in I would say just go back up to the concept
plan and the way the concept plan it does show that there's go the slide after this yeah that one uh it does show a storm water pond on track C that would be a shared Pond between C and D so and the way that the uh draft uh vacant land
contract is set up is that whichever track develops first that's the one that builds a pond and then the one that uh the one that doesn't build upon will then share in the Prat share of the cost as well as Prat share of the maintenance uh I uh asked uh there would
I asked Chief Woodward if he would provide a justification for you uh on the third on the third station that was provided as a uh as an attachment to your memorandum if there's any questions you have for him from the technical fire side of things uh I would recommend
asking him those questions but once again as as we stated with the other as with the Lloyd Lane uh proposal this is an opportunity to purchase the property now uh as Mr axel said they do have buyers and so if we don't uh purchase this the owners have basically given us
first right of appr of refusal uh if we don't purchase the property then it will be sold for private development then it won't be available to us unlike the Lloyd Lane one uh this property wouldn't be available to us late at a later date so it's
uh that's we wanted to bring it to you tonight see if you have an interest in moving forward with this as well okay uh good no again so like I said before I think this um it's an opportunity that's being presented to us
obviously it's not going to get cheaper uh as we're finding out with everything um we've talked many times about having a third fire station here's an opportunity for the land that's up in that area uh that we could do something there um I do know I talked in this cob
I mean obviously we still got to talk worry about the police station and how we fund that but I mean this is an opportunity where you got a property here with a with a structure already on it that could be utilized um and um I I
think again an opportunity to buy land is is is not very frequent for us and I think it it's a good opportunity that we should explore Council M Brittain um yeah Brian is it looks like this stuff is owned industrial is that
correct it's own commercial commercial okay so this piece are you sure cuz when I looked it up it's it l commercial future land use also residential yes so what is it future land use
residential residential yeah okay so if we uh you know I'm just thinking if we can purchase this and we don't need it we can sell it and and let it let whoever wants to buy it a private uh residential developer can do what they
want with it but you know again uh Mr axel said this is an opportunity we can take it or leave it uh I think it might be prudent to take it now and if we if it doesn't pan out uh I don't know what the future of firefighting is going to be I don't know Chief do you have a
crystal ball for that okay um only going to get busier okay um so you know I'd like to take advantage of opportunities if they don't pan out we can make another decision and get rid of it it's not a not a big
[Music] deal uh okay mayor sedic about what percentage of our fire calls are are for medical and not for fire
[Music] a little over 70% of our calls for service are Medical in nature really 30% are fire I I'm I'm surprised I thought it was a higher percentage not necessarily just fire but car accidents
um anything anything other than a medical call okay that people would call 9114 that's not a law enforcement call all right and if you could pick anywhere if you were not limited to the city of Ovito if you're looking for gaps if we're looking at this as Regional sort
of a thing is this the best place to have a fire station or would somewhere off you the the 434 Bend has been brought up by others in the fire industry and I'm wondering if your opinion is that that may be the 434 Bend
up in the up in the Northwest Quadrant okay if we're thinking about it not just what helps residents in the city of Vito but what helps fill fire gaps at the county level if we're trying to play collaboratively where is that best place for us to locate the county is actually
in the in the I want to say they're moving forward but they're they're placing a fire station as a third fire station in Winter Springs and it's going to be off tusca in the North End do you know where exactly in there I'm not sure exactly you know
loation Tusa and Milky Way is there a proposed station and they're moving forward with that so that'll cover that Northwest Quadrant for us okay we're still going to have a gap in in the city limits that whenever
you're placing a fire station you want to you want to place that station in an area that's going to give the most bang for the buck as far as a response capability for us within the city okay so you think this is the best spot with with the land that's available right now yes it is and I know you're saying
perfect world if if land wasn't an opportunity but that's that's the issue that we're into now with all the development that's occurred within the city we become more limited to the land that's available and this will provide a definite benefit for our emergency response capability in the city in the
past we had talked about potentially and and I if I may be remembering this wrong I thought it was acquiring the whole thing and doing even more here there there was a public safety complex to where we were going to partner with police and fire to where there would be a fire training facility out there as
well but that this would not be enough for no ma' any of that this fire station correct do you have any idea what a fire station would cost to add to this area going price right now is between 10 12 million for fire station all right thank
you yep any other questions for me Council M yeah so um so you talk about the Northwest in that justification for adding an additional fire station it says that the Northwest outskirts were the parts that had um well well the nor experience
longer response times Northwest Quadrant correct because there used to be prior to 2015 the consolidation at three stations in two there was a fire station that was down 434 closer to Franklin right and and that that allowed
us to be able to to provide that that timely response more in that area right now we've kind of lost that with the consolidation and moving that station down to where it's currently located and actually we've gone from three fire stations responding down to two fire
stations responding now because we incorporated our Tower truck right but now this one significantly east of that position not not not significantly East no it still would give us good access down down Franklin Street to the north
to Central right and into that area in the lake charm subdivision and the community out in that area there there's a lot of residential that currently right now is is is I would say deficient as far as our capability to respond so where is
that so the area where this fire station is and maybe the area around there where is that which fire station serves that area right now primarily 46 from downtown yes okay how far does
the other fire station come in station 48 is our only other fire station down down 419 yeah and how far does that come back I mean certainly that gets CU it's right about where Sanctuary is right the typical response Circle so to speak
would be about a mile and a half driving distance okay chief does in 48 Western Edge doesn't that go to Lockwood yeah about about Lockwood area maybe just a little bit West of that from station 48 so this would cover some of the area
from that yes sir and from the other one yes sir but then the area really in the Northwest part p Avenue all that kind of stuff it's envisioned that that would then be served primarily by the new station in Winter Springs is that why
you bring that up the County city of Ovito and and simol County we have a basically an automatic Aid agreement sure um closest unit goes it's all AVL generated um so what what AVL what is that AVL is is basically the it's like a
GPS locator in the vehicle so the The Dispatch Center that dispatches for all the fire and ambulances and EMS within the County dispatch the The Dispatch Center can see where all the fire apparatus and EMS vehicles are within the county and they will dispatch the
closest unit based on that GPS location to the call that's that comes in so if they're already out somewhere then it'll it knows where all correct right and and It ultimately comes down also to concurrent calls right now we currently have two fire stations we have two
engines that are providing response we have two rescues providing response if concurrent calls come in we're relying on seminol County to provide that response from stations that are much further away so having the additional resources of another staffed
engine and another staffed rescue is what's going to really give us the response capability that we need right but but then this one being on the East it it it doesn't really feel like this is going to help the West this is on the West Side North Northwest quadrant where
we're looking at of the city limit it's by my house yeah it's over near east of you right well to like across the street Eastern fire station is the one down to me the Northwest part is Pine Avenue right west of Central and this is going
east of central correct yeah so you'd have to cross both 426 and 434 to service the area that is lacking is that kind of what you're getting at yeah okay yeah yeah exactly I I understand what you're saying and right they're I perfect world I'd love
to have an additional station on the very West Side that we've talked with the hospital out on the hospital property that's going to be further out for us further out in time orse yes okay filling a gap now getting back to where we were prior to the
consolidation of three stations into two that's kind of what my goal is now is to get us where we were prior to that consolidation where we can effectively respond to the calls for service within our 16 square mile City the way that we basically used to do prior to the consolidation because
right now we're we kind of took a step back so when you talk about the hospital being farther out you I mean is that something you would be proposing as a as a fourth station at some point down the line as more development the CEO of the hospital at the time had mentioned that they may have a partial property that
they weren't intending on using or they didn't have an intended use for it that may be available we never discussed any kind of price we never discussed any kind kind of concept that CEO has since now left and the hospital is in the process of recruiting an addition a new CEO so we don't know where that's going
to go as far as development goes and that that location is not a perfect location either it it's probably less conducive than the station the parcel that we're looking at now giving us bang for the
buck for a response component really even though it's over there correct closer to the Northwest Quadrant and that's just because of what with traffic on 426 trying to get trying to position that station because it's not directly
on um 426 so it's not directly on that so you would have to take almost like a side street to get out to 426 from there okay um so we what was mentioned in uh some of the documents were I don't
remember exactly which one um talking about ISO one um and then our scoring for is one between 2013 20 18 and 2023 we actually score better now than we did then when we had three stations because
other metrics have certain components score better but back in 2013 we were we we achieved 7.25 out of 10 possible points for our deployment analysis on deployment yes deployment analysis gives is is iso's evaluation of the city and
and our ability to effectively respond to emergencies throughout the city within the city limits fast forward to 2018 when the consolid after the consolidation occurred we went from 7.25 out of 10 points down to 2.82 points out of 10 so we lost almost all credit for
deployment analysis by just consolidating three into two fast forward now to the latest evaluation that we had in 2023 because we incorporated the tower truck and those that capability now we gained back some of the points but now
we're still sitting at like 4.72 points or 4.74 points out of 10 so we're still not where we were in 2013 for that one metric but but in all of the metrics we went from 82 to 85 there there have been other improvements as far as our training capability documentation
hydrant maintenance pre-plans things like that yes we did get but what the the primary focus for ISO is your ability to effectively respond to emergencies in the city and that's where we kind of regressed how much do we lower our response time by I think I saw
like we were around 5 and a half minutes what do you think this would lower it from like we're looking like 30 seconds I mean I know it all counts I really I mean you're looking at a crystal ball when it comes to that but I can tell you that um currently right now there
there's a there's a national standard for the amount of personnel that we put on scene within a certain time frame that's the NFPA requirement M right now we we technically don't meet that requirement within the time frame because we're having to rely on seol County and other agencies to provide
resources within the city from a further distance out makes sense what was the time requirement did you say it a second ago there is there is NFPA time requirement NFPA is a National Fire Protection Administration they they establish um response criteria to where
you have to be on scene of a single story residential structure fire within so many minutes of receiving dispatch and turnout time and in addition to that you have to have so many personnel on scene okay but let's let's get back to what we have here so we have property do we have
questions about I guess the property itself or well I mean all all my questions were is this is this the right spot for it and it kind of all yeah kind of all stems from that um whether it makes sense to do it here or somewhere on the west and you know I understand that this
is what's available and I think as a city we would face a much greater challenge to try and say identify a partiel of property that's already developed and try and convince the owner of that property to sell so we can build a fire station I think we're going to pay a lot more for it and we're going to
have a lot more difficulty doing that well this one is semi developed this vacant parcel that we have now like Mr cob mentioned it's got a it's got a a house already on it that come down the road if our staffing levels increase to a point where we can put an additional
resource in service we can use that that facility that's already there okay right thank you mhm um and I did have a question for Mr Axel now that I know this is residential because I thought it was commercial and I was going to say my name and address again for the record no
you're fine okay so I was going to say the I thought the price actually made sense for over two acres dry commercial land for residential I really question that is is that the reason why the offer is for track D and not track
C so there's multiple reasons and um it would have been an easier transaction for everybody if track B could have worked track C uh but track track B can't really fit the layout that was
done uh track C is significantly more valuable and more costly uh so it really wouldn't make sense track D with the house and the land uh and the offsite retention uh my analysis suggested
that's what it's worth I've got other buyers for it at that uh residential as you might understand is pretty much the highest um demand property maybe not the highest value property in Alito but the highest demand really really hard to
find big pieces of land and this is a pretty easy thing to sell frankly is does that answer the question yeah kind of that I mean yes okay any other questions from anybody while I'm up here would they consider selling just track D
without partial without tra a or do they there's no relationship between these two they're both opportunities so what I would say is there's just some slight variation I don't know if it makes sense to do the cross easan if you're not going to build
lyd Lane you know frankly so if if the city chose not to do Lloyd Lane uh I don't know how this contract in its present form makes sense uh but I I think from my
perspective you know if you look at the curve of Geneva Drive and you look at this the elevation of it and the danger of it it's not just for walking school children uh you live there you know what I mean that intersection is something if you can
avoid it you want to avoid uh so that's kind of part of the reason for Lloyd Lane so I don't I don't know that it makes sense to put the fire station there if you don't do Lloyd Lane but that's not a seller decision that's up to the city okay thanks thank
you so what are we looking to do here I think we should move forward and and investigate it anybody else want to chime in here yeah just like we did in the last one we don't we don't have to make a decision tonight do we no I just need to know if you have an interest so that we
can bring the vacant land contract back to you to accept I would say yes and then if you accept the vacant land contract that starts the 60-day due diligence okay it doesn't seem we have anybody against that so let's go ahead
with that thank you all right so moving on we have made it and then we are up to the city manager's report uh thank you Deputy Mayor I just had one thing I had the uh pleasure of attending the uh Opera in
the park on Saturday uh with Cinderella and uh I got very worried as I came out of the back of my house and saw the rainclouds but thankfully they decided to go around us and but they did give us a nice breeze and the show was I in my
opinion was very very well done uh the music the the singers were just Ultra talented and I wanted to give many kudos to Dr K and the public art board because I felt like this was was when I came here in 1995 I did not ever think that I
would attend an opera in oito quite honestly and uh um I was it it was an very very enjoyable time and I think uh even the smallest of the children had a good time as well so I just wanted to say that and that's all I have thank you
uh city attorney's report uh I I don't have anything to discuss tonight okay council member bford uh yes um I guess one of the things head for tonight uh Chief Coleman I think uh Mr Zuber had already talked to you about concerns about Broadway so I know you
have a very good Traffic Unit out there so I'm sure they've been notified they have been notified good to hear sir appreciate that we do have the Relay for Life uh Golf Tournament this Friday uh this benefits both the veteran tribute wall and also American Lung Association
it's a very good uh uh event that we have within the city out at Twin Rivers um so I know a few us will be participating in that um that is always good we got St Patrick's Day coming up in u the 15th uh I believe so that's
what is that like 3:00 in the afternoon or something like that nobody knows what time it starts it's 3 I think yes yes it's around 3:00 yes okay I think it's at 3:00 to 9: yeah so and then obviously the 100th anniversary coming up in uh April so a
lot of activities coming up for the city nice to see that it's good to see people get out and to enjoy these uh when they can so looking forward to that and that's all I got okay uh council member Britain I really don't have anything I was just
I'll P piggyback on what Mr cob said about the Opera I didn't get a chance to go out there but I'm really glad to see that stuff uh type of stuff going on when I was at school up in Boston uh in the summertime they had parks and they were doing Shakespeare and operas and
everything like that and and places very similar to what we have so it's a good use of our uh of our assets so that's that's all I really have tonight okay up next it is me and I will start out by saying happy Black History Month and quote Amanda Gorman there is
always light if only we're brave enough to see it if only we're brave enough to be it so black history is American history and I just want to make sure we are I know our uh website's doing a great job every day turning out some Ovito history so I I wanted to make sure everybody's checking that out um we had
the city manager for Altimont out here earlier and at CNO this past week he gave a really detailed presentation of what we just saw too so there's a lot of really good discussion in between all the local cities but one of the things he presented that he didn't mention tonight was he talked about the volunteer program that the city of
Altimont has and they have over 500 people actively volunteering in their City all year um and I had a lot of questions about how they get those people on board and how they put them to good use and i' I'd love if we could kind of see how his team does that and
see how we can kind of get more of the community involved with with helping out some of our departments here um in a way and he was he made it really clear he didn't he didn't use volunteers to just stand around he said there's there's no point of having a volunteer show up without a job to do um so he actually
put them to work and and had them involved and I thought that was such a good program and something we could look into I guess expanding on our end too um so I wanted to say that one um as far as the public Arts board um I think it's really cool we did an oper to I guess my
and I saw some photos we we a pretty good turnout for the rain so I see that too um I would just ask that maybe we work with uh parks and re a little better um maybe I mean I think it's so cool we have a public Arts board that's active in getting things done but if we could put some like signage on the
streets when we do things like that in the future to get the word out a little better um but other than that that's all I have so I will pass it off to mayor slik the Opera was very cool guys uh so hopefully we'll we'll keep the the not
just Visual Arts go with the artboard so artboard well done coming up with some some different kinds of art uh and I'm glad you also brought up the volunteer thing I brought that up for years and been given a lot of explanations for why
we can't do it and none of them seem to hold water in light of the fact that Altamont consistently does do it so um I just want to Echo that I think this is a a Thing Worth doing we have a lot of talented people a lot of retirees who
have a lot of value to add to our community we had somebody who volunteered to draw out a whole a whole police station on his own dime a person who's in that industry and and we never really fully utilize a lot of the talent that we have here so hopefully we can
figure that out it can't be that hard uh in the past I had invited everybody uh to all the vetos and then I sort of stopped so I want to start doing that again uh for those in the audience you may remember that back in September 2020 right when everything was going crazy
with covid and all the restaurants were struggling I I set out to eat at every single restaurant inside oo City Limits and we're on the 148th or 9th stop we we still have about 124 restaurants located inside City
Limits so the next stop is going to be at oh where my notes go it's going to be February 25th at uh the crazy cork right in downtown OV or the new downtown at the intersection of Center Lake Park so it's where the dog park is look across
the road crazy cork is there show up at 5:00 they've got um you a bunch of it's called crazy Cork Wine Bar so they have wine of course but they also have a lot of desserts and little nibbles and non-alcoholic drinks all the things um
so going to start show casing that and hope that my colleagues will consider joining and supporting all these businesses as well uh we also have a league of cities meeting that's the exact same time as the Chamber of Commerce meeting so I wanted to let you
guys know that I RSVP to go to league and I know they're really hoping that some of us will you maybe we can divide and conquer so if you haven't rsvpd yet there's still time to do that and and that one's local too H that one's local that one's local so that is hosted by winter spring
at at the tusca Country Club so they're really really kind of hoping that oito will come out in full force I'll be out of town U starting on Wednesday so I'm I'm not going to be able to make either one of those oh man okay my mom is turning 90 years old on Saturday so well
don't miss that we surpris her so don't any don't call my mom you mean she doesn't watch huh yeah who knew she she can't even hear let alone watch watch did you anything else ju just one more thing that is uh it's book club so I think you all got a
calendar invite to that as well the next thing on book club uh that's something that residents had said you know it' be nice if we had a book club in noo and I thought well if Parkson wck doesn't do it I I'll tell people what I'm reading and we'll meet up but our book this time is uh escaping the housing trap and it's
it's kind of an interesting thought about you know how how do you with zoning and land use and all the building that's already occurred and all the roads how do you move towards a community that that better resembles someplace we'd all like to live forever and that's all I've got okay council
member out uh so when is the league event that is this Thursday at at noon at Tusa Country Club okay so I know a lot of things get added to our calendars automatically but League of cities doesn't appear to be one of them um so I
don't there's a lot of stuff going on with the executive director uh failing to inform people of meetings so let me see if I can find that and email you from the Lega cities yeah I I get them you get them okay I didn't get it I don't think I got
it I think they have not updated the list in in a while possibly you I get the I get the web uh meetings and everything else the every day and get on the Chain yeah that's probably what I need to do yep I
wrote my name on the thing one time but might not have make it on the list um okay so um I I wanted to address uh the vote last week on water and I I voted no on it and I just wanted to speak a little bit about um why that was and it's not because I disagree with um
doing these water projects or with the projects themselves presented necessarily um I I just simply couldn't commit to 10 years of uh rate hikes with the information that I currently have and ultimately it's a complicated situation um that we're in and like all
of us you know there's there's a lot of parts to it and UL ultimately like on all agenda items we boxed into a binary decision on it um and that said uh there's going to be much more work that this Council of course is going to have to do on storm water and and on water flu or reclaimed and we're going to have
a lot more discussions about all of the individual projects and um and funding them and all of that stuff um so there was also discussion during that meeting and I believe there was um consensus uh about increasing our water conservation
efforts and to further those ends um I requested uh some of the following information from staff and you know as is our practice you guys will be getting the same uh things and I just wanted to give you um uh I wanted you to be expecting them and not Wonder uh why um
so those items are um an update to the 2023 work session graph that shows our water usage per month but updated to show 2023 to to present um another was the update to the 2023 work session the pie chart showing the current breakdown
of water usage and you know that's the one that showed you know how much is commercial how much is residential how much is Flushing Etc um another was the uh water usage chart um that was generated uh for me the other week the one that you guys got
that has the bar chart in it um so as it was but then also the same one but only uh counting mixed use properties so that we can see what our what consumption is for mixed use versus uh everybody else uh and lastly um
monthly updates to those reports um going forward and so I just want to say here that the intent is not to place uh owner requirements on staff but simply get um information going forward about water and I just want to say also that you know if staff finds these reports
difficult to produce and we have something that's slightly different um that would be easier that you know shows the same information certainly you know we can talk about all of that stuff um and so also on water uh mayor sadex said after the last meeting on Facebook um she said ultimately when our water
consultant um skipping down uh said that if everybody stopped irrigating with water pulled from the Upper Floor an aquafer that the aquafer likely could not recharge fast enough to meet our City's needs um Mr Cobb is is this somebody who could come to a work session and and talk about talk about
that stuff to all of us the and the person you listed as the the water consultant she was sitting on the last row last meeting but now she's not here well I mean in a work session yeah can we have
and was that a yes or yes oh okay sorry we we we can we can ask the consultant for available dates U and so in addition do we have some kind of uh liaison with St John's who could come as well I don't I don't have any names of somebody who
might be assigned to our city City that' probably be Susan Davis is she not really our person no okay St John is difficult to work with and and I doubt that they would assign Le oh she she volunteered there was some
kind of veterans event that she had come to cuz she's here local they're having big turnover there and and I know I've tried to contact people n why we look at that something to look into okay on right and actually M Davis may we may need to get more on the technical side she's more on the regular
side so okay it's like Mr W coming got an idea what what is it exactly that you're looking for me or him well actually both of you I'm trying to understand what it is that you're trying to get at so I can I can focus the information with the consultant on that I mean and the mayor
the the the consultant you met last week that's not her specialty so I think you need a geotechnical engineer to come speak about percolation into the ground okay so what is her role I misunderstood her role she's our she's our client lead with Coro she has a PHD in environmental
engineering okay she's helping with all these CIP projects that you've seen on the proposed for the so it is possible that if everyone stops get us to the right consultant okay but I don't think that's her specialty specifically okay cuz my understanding was that if
everybody stopped watering her opinion was that we still needed to build a water plant so if she does not have the technical expertise to say that as I've mentioned before you can wipe out all of the pable irrigation you're still not going to get to the number I mean if if
we could do that I would say absolutely let's go but I we're not going to get there not based on the projections that we have based on our planning documents that's it's just not going to get us there but these are planning documents that we're in report though so let's
Okay table yes we can get through our reports please yeah I well I mean I bring up it up because you know you seem to have information that I didn't so I should have it the same yeah I'm interested in talking to you know whoever I was gonna actually have her come in and talk about
fluide so but you know okay great on but that's now she can't oh well I'm going to do my best on the third and then she might be here to back me up if if possible we have fluide on the agenda for a week from today correct meeting
yeah okay okay okay um yeah so in in the same vein with work session you know if we could uh roll that into having an item with uh an item on on water conservation and uh um Miss Harriet from the soil or seminol Soil and Water Board
uh offered to help us with that so if we could invite her as well and maybe do all this kind of stuff at the same time I would appreciate that and that's all I have thank you very much okay and I do have one thing to add um as far as at the last c meeting I did forget to
mention the Soil and Water Board doesn't normally take a rotation of the when they go from each City so I asked for them to add into the rotations they might be sharing half of a meeting um and Mr Caba is going to talk to you about this of we have one coming up I think it's in May and Ido they might
swap it with another city but if they could take the second half of our meeting that kind of gets us to to pull out at least the presentation from Soil and Water that I asked for them to talk about this conservation and teaching not just us but every city so maybe we could just have all of us join in since it's
going to be in Ovito soon um so just throwing that out there something to discuss um my other thing is um Mr Hall I have a question so this is the second time where um and I I don't know that anybody's trying to do anything wrong but uh council member a has quoted the
mayor's Facebook page and as as far as I'm concerned doesn't that mean that they're getting information outside of this meeting I know it's presented out here but as far as Sunshine laws is that okay that we're getting information outside of this meeting to be presented here that
is an area that some that um the sunshine have not really addressed yet they there is some language about emails and social media but there's really no attorney general opinion there's really no thing out there that uh talks about
the controls what is social media it it defaults back to you can't use social media to discuss matters coming for the meeting with other members cuz that's a public meeting but at this point they have not I mean that's that's close but
I guess that's my question cuz it's close because repeating something that was said at a public meeting so I stated I actually called Mr Wyatt up and said is my understanding correct that our our people have told us that even and mayor I'm not trying to accuse as far as like if I write something on Facebook and one
of them reads it is that not me communicating with them which is why I avoid subjects that we are going to vote on um that doesn't count is the safest practice yes that that is that is the safest practice unfortunately I haven't found anything yet that is challenging
challenging because the social media is fairly new as far as people using it to to communicate and so forth that and and the Sunshine laws do state you can't use social media to communicate with other members who that may address a subject
comes for this board that's the whole so as if I understand it right it's a great area as if we it but as long as we don't write back we're still there's no pretty much kind of the way it is right now because like I said it's not really been tested you know we don't have an Ethics
commission hasn't come because they have to have and they don't an Ethics commission would investigate unless they have a complaint and and I've not found any yet we've been I've been following it as best I can attorney general opinions haven't touched it and they may not touch it because the Attorney
General office has changed their policy and what they wish opinions on okay and they're tougher to get and and in fact I'm going to bring that up a later meeting uh uh just what you have to do and so forth but at this point social media is kind of a g a because fairly new and um I expect that they will
probably revise the sunshine laws when they revise them to address it more but at this point nobody's really do anything about it okay there's no no complaints file or whatever okay so if I could ask so I know social media was discussed last year um at up here and
what I remember from those meetings was that um the guidance was that reading one another's social media was not a problem but interacting with them on that page in a discussion would be a would be a problem be a good idea yeah
also I mean that clearly violates Sunshine right having a discussion on social media do a dialogue it's not a published it's not it's a meeting that's not been published in in a minute the the two things are is is meetings have to be noticed and there have to be minutes taken and that and if you got a
two-way conversation going feedback you don't you violate those that would be a clearity violation so two-way conversation that's right out right that's yeah that's that's but if somebody posts something publicly you're talking about Public Notices um is is
there a way to make a public notice on a Facebook page that this this Facebook page will I don't I don't want to get a Sidetrack so I'm going to ask that you look into this and give us some more information will continue to follow and look into it okay okay but um I read all y'all stuff so that's
uh just just telling you where I'm at my my understanding is that that's and until uh until directed otherwise I'll continue to do so but if you would like to direct otherwise then um then I'll take consideration and and we'll come back with something okay thank you all
right anything else for the good to order it is 8:35 p.m. and meetings oh my God it was me all right future meeting dates Monday February 24th at 5:30 p.m. we have a work session Monday March 3rd at 6:30 p.m. and mon
Monday March 17th at 6:30 p.m. we have regular sessions March 24th at 5:30 we have a tentative work session tentative okay tentative work session anything else for the good of the order it is 8:35 p.m. and the
meeting is J [Laughter] than